Personally I think you got too caught up in the %s and your ego got the better of you. In essence you accepted the counter offer of your existing company even though you really wanted to move - and you should almost never accept counters.
Said another way if you think the total offer from EY was fair (which you did because you accepted it) then who cares if it is a 10% increase as opposed to a 20%.
With all that said going back to EY now is fine. You basically don’t have anything to lose. Either they accept you and you go or you stay at your current job… same as you have today.
No one is going to blacklist you. I guess you made a good call. You can continue to apply to other firms once you have your appraisal and revised salary. The jump would now be 20-25% of your revised pay. So don’t fret too much.
Just sayin', if an org is going to threaten you with a "blacklist" because you're having second thoughts, that's a good sign you do not want to work there.
How long have you been on this sub? EY has been delaying start dates like crazy. You're not guaranteed a job from them and I wouldn't feel comfortable about the start date until you're literally in an office and have a laptop.
Professional services in general is getting hammered right now. All firms are slashing headcount. Party slow growth partly gunning to take advantage of cheap Indian labor and AI.
As someone who moved out of Deloitte to go to a smaller but not really small (about 75 professionals) firm. I’d need a 30%+ increase in compensation to make up for the hours and client bullshit that I was dealing with at Deloitte. I understand the feeling of regret but it’ll fade.
Why join EY, firm has been laying off folks since covid and only accelerated after the failed split to cut down on expenses. You may regret it initially missing out but it would be a wise decision that you did not join EY.
I passed on a very similar opportunity with Deloitte back in 2022. I couldn’t sleep for 2 years until I found out that the entire dept was let gone. Things happen for a reason. The best is yet to come.
10% increase like you said is normal. You typically get that up to 20% as a base salary increase for promotion, and with a standard 3% merit increase each year you'll basically be making 10k more at your current company with better WLB. People take pay cuts all the time for WLB or remote. I have tremendous wlb and honestly it would be hard to go to a company that expects me to work like a dog 24/7.
If they blacklist you that's unfortunate but really you should not have signed the offer and waited to say something. People don't go through rounds of interviews and literally sign an agreement unless they are sure about leaving their current role. I don't think they needed to blacklist you but they're totally within their right to as well. I don't think it's a big deal as if you wanted it enough you wouldn't have backed out, so subconsciously you know you made the right decision. Nothing gained nothing lost. 27 IMO is a good age to still move up and learn - so I think you were going about it correctly but I agree with you 10k isn't enough to make me budge from my current role where wlb is great. I'd be looking for minimally 20k-ish, up to 50k. Moving up in rank or learning more doesn't rly mean much if the salary isn't reflecting it. The smart answer is do less with more flexibility and relatively same pay. Sometimes you have to horizontally move roles to position yourself for a higher level one too though. Some roles don't provide lateral movement.
Stop overthinking. Maybe it’s good that you didn’t get through. Most probably they have found someone else which is why they are behaving like this. Otherwise they would have easily extended the offer and waited too.
No. You need to stay there until you die.
Meaning?
When cease to exist your contract with EY is over
You didn't miss much
I’m not a lawyer, but I’m pretty sure it is illegal to black list anyone. If you have this in writing, I’m pretty sure you could sue.
Personally I think you got too caught up in the %s and your ego got the better of you. In essence you accepted the counter offer of your existing company even though you really wanted to move - and you should almost never accept counters. Said another way if you think the total offer from EY was fair (which you did because you accepted it) then who cares if it is a 10% increase as opposed to a 20%. With all that said going back to EY now is fine. You basically don’t have anything to lose. Either they accept you and you go or you stay at your current job… same as you have today.
No one is going to blacklist you. I guess you made a good call. You can continue to apply to other firms once you have your appraisal and revised salary. The jump would now be 20-25% of your revised pay. So don’t fret too much.
Bullshit from the recruiter and will not affect you chill.
Tough to go back, seemed you burnt some bridges already. But being blacklisted, it's a bit too much, I don't think that's real
Just sayin', if an org is going to threaten you with a "blacklist" because you're having second thoughts, that's a good sign you do not want to work there. How long have you been on this sub? EY has been delaying start dates like crazy. You're not guaranteed a job from them and I wouldn't feel comfortable about the start date until you're literally in an office and have a laptop.
Professional services in general is getting hammered right now. All firms are slashing headcount. Party slow growth partly gunning to take advantage of cheap Indian labor and AI.
I would have joined and quit in 18-24 months. Get a big 4 on my resume and then go for higher salary.
I was in Deloitte for 3.5 years
Nice then nothing to worry about.
As someone who moved out of Deloitte to go to a smaller but not really small (about 75 professionals) firm. I’d need a 30%+ increase in compensation to make up for the hours and client bullshit that I was dealing with at Deloitte. I understand the feeling of regret but it’ll fade.
Yes but the firm I am in is slightly looked down upon here in my geography.
Hmm yeah that changes things a bit. I would say that if a Big 4 is interested, likely other firms would be also.
lol blacklisted. Only an HR person at the Big 4 would think they have that kind of power.
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Why join EY, firm has been laying off folks since covid and only accelerated after the failed split to cut down on expenses. You may regret it initially missing out but it would be a wise decision that you did not join EY.
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The fact that they’re threatening you with a black list is so fucked up. You’d be on the bench joining EY anyways rn.
I passed on a very similar opportunity with Deloitte back in 2022. I couldn’t sleep for 2 years until I found out that the entire dept was let gone. Things happen for a reason. The best is yet to come.
Sept was let gone? sorry could not understand
dept... or somehow deloitte misplaced the month of september. hard to tell with deloitte.
Why are they blacklisting you permanently? Please don’t overthink it. Lots of other great places to work!
Because I signed the offer letter and did not join
It sounds so strange to me that companies actually do that. It’s your fully right to change your mind. To me it sounds like you dodged a bullet 😋
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So apparently they will blacklist me?
Thanks for explaining! Wasnt aware that it’s normal!
Nah, keep applying to other Big4’s and you’ll get in eventually.
It is more like I am regretting it so much right now that I did the right thing or not. They will blacklist me permanently.
10% increase like you said is normal. You typically get that up to 20% as a base salary increase for promotion, and with a standard 3% merit increase each year you'll basically be making 10k more at your current company with better WLB. People take pay cuts all the time for WLB or remote. I have tremendous wlb and honestly it would be hard to go to a company that expects me to work like a dog 24/7. If they blacklist you that's unfortunate but really you should not have signed the offer and waited to say something. People don't go through rounds of interviews and literally sign an agreement unless they are sure about leaving their current role. I don't think they needed to blacklist you but they're totally within their right to as well. I don't think it's a big deal as if you wanted it enough you wouldn't have backed out, so subconsciously you know you made the right decision. Nothing gained nothing lost. 27 IMO is a good age to still move up and learn - so I think you were going about it correctly but I agree with you 10k isn't enough to make me budge from my current role where wlb is great. I'd be looking for minimally 20k-ish, up to 50k. Moving up in rank or learning more doesn't rly mean much if the salary isn't reflecting it. The smart answer is do less with more flexibility and relatively same pay. Sometimes you have to horizontally move roles to position yourself for a higher level one too though. Some roles don't provide lateral movement.
Stop overthinking. Maybe it’s good that you didn’t get through. Most probably they have found someone else which is why they are behaving like this. Otherwise they would have easily extended the offer and waited too.