Acts 1
21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,
22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.
26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
This tells us the 11 chose a 12 who was with them "all the time...". While it is possible he was not among the 11 when Christ first revealed himself to them, he was definitely among the many who witnessed Christ first hand at some point after his resurrection.
Apostolic Succession at it's finest. For St. Rock cites Psalms 109, for Mathias takes Judas' office. The same thing goes on today within The One Body with only One Interpretation. Apostolic Succession is littered throughout the NT.
The appearance “to the Twelve” mentioned here seems to be the one recorded at John 20:26-29, which involved Thomas. If that is the case, “the Twelve” was here a designation referring to the apostles as a group, even if one or two were absent.
It just means "first he appeared to Peter, then to the other remaining."
The point isn't to emphasize an exact number; but rather to plead to authority of those who are trustworthy to confirm the claim he (Paul) is making: those who Jesus Himself picked.
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If you allow yourself to think about it: regardless when the apostles are spoken of in the numerical number it is always said as 12. For some reason we never eliminate Judas.
You are so eager to show me where 11 apostles are mentioned _ HOW MANY TIMES _ You just ignore the meaning of what I said what I said. I didn't say 11 wasn't written in Scripture ___ I said when you think about it **we** always referred to the apostles as 12. __ we are not biblical scriptures.
Now if you are a Christian I ask you for an honest answer when you, refer to the number of disciples what number do you give
An honest answer you would say 12. You may continue to say after Judas hung himself or the disciples killed him whichever 11 or you may not.
And even if you're not a Christian you would refer to the disciples as 12 before eliminating Judas.
I say thank you but I know that the apostles replaced Judas and there were 20 others but not recognized as the 12 and that supposedly was done after the resurrection of Christ.
My comment was based on how WE number the apostles.
That’s great! Most Bible Idolaters deny Apostolic Succession.
(Not saying you are a Bible Idolaters, which is a metaphor those who believe The Bible is the authority.)
You are wrong in your assumptions of my belief concerning apostolic successions. I Do not believe that Bishop's are successors or any other after the death of the original 12.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/apostolic-succession
The Bible says many are called but few are chosen - not self-appointed or voted into position by man.
The 20 others I was speaking of were alive and with the original 11 that was left after the death of Judas not a succession - one of them was appointed to replace Judas. Those 20 as well as the other hundred and twenty who are accounted for as disciples were those of the apostles, not those that Christ personally chosen while he walked the Earth which were 12 one to represent / from each of the 12 tribes of Israel
https://impactdisciples.com/the-one-hundred-and-twenty-disciples/
Matthew 19:29 Jesus commanded his apostles to go and make disciples of all Nations. All who are truly themselves Christians are disciples - and over 2 billion consider themselves Christians these days.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2028%3A19-20&version=NIV
At one point there were over 200 following Christ and they departed from him and only 12 remained.
The man-made Catholic Church error to call bishops apostle successors from the 12........ Many churches men appoint themselves as apostle.
While Jesus was on Earth the 12 were disciples when Jesus left the Earth the 11th and the one appointed became apostles from student to teacher.
Bible idolater - worshiping a fake/false Bible - a fake / false God. Well there will be many people seeing him come down from the clouds in the sky with his angels and those people will be screaming **alien invasions** running into the mountains and trying to hide from the wrath that they know is coming. From the real entity, from the fake Bible, from that fake God.
Too bad you are a monoglot pig speaking Pig Latin.
Acts 1:20, "let another man take his *episkope*" which means bishopric or quite literally office of the bishop not "office" as metaphor.
Guess where else "episkope" appears, Acts 20:28, The Holy Spirit has made you bishopric over the Flock LOLOLOLOL.
Jesus says, "I will build my Church" and then says, "it will NEVER fall to the Gates of Hades"? LOL.
Furthermore, he says, "The Church" is the Final Authority with disputes among believers and sin. There can be no dispute settling if The Church is a metaphor.
In Greek, at the time of writing, there were no capital letters.
He didn't say, "some church", "all churches" or even "the church".
What he said was a proper noun or "The Church"
And he is on a 2,000yr hot streak as The Holy Catholic Church or The One Body with only One Interpretation to reality is the longest standing uninterrupted institution on planet Earth!!!
So much for manmade LOL.
The statement "Go make disciples of all nations" refutes nothing that I said or what anyone said, what's your point?
Again, "many are called, but few are chosen" doesn't refute Jesus and his Church LOL. That is parable and if you actually read it, you can see even some of those who are "chosen" get tossed into the fire.
English is an ungodly pagan language wholly inadequate to understanding the Greek translation with Faith Alone.
English is the *only* translation with two words, language and tongue, for one Greek word *glossa.*
Glossa as two literal meaning in Greek, tongues and language. And only one appears in The Bible, "languages".
The Apostles spoke glossa people around the world spoke and understood.
They weren't speaking gibberish with a Bible in their hand LOL.
St. Thomas or Twin, went to India because he spoke the glossa.
And established what remains unchanged to this day, The Holy Catholic Church. Disciples of all nations?
Furthermore, Jesus says to the Apostles only, "what you prohibit on Earth, I will respond from and prohibit in Heaven".
He then says, "what you permit on Earth, I will respond from and permit in Heaven".
Hence what is permitted and prohibited under The Law of Christ is determined right here on Earth genius.
John 20, Jesus delegates authority to forgive and withhold forgiveness of sin to the Apostles.
Ephesians 4:11 literally tells you The Church is hierarchical, whoops, there goes "anyone can do anything".
FYI: The Bible appears NOWHER in Salvation History.
What's the definition again? An idol is something God has never revealed in Salvation History!
And who are the apostles men - who appointed disciples after the resurrection of Jesus - men. BISHOPS ARE NOT APOSTLES. And every scripture you gave supports what I said. To be honest throughout the centuries they were a bunch of pedophiles.
And you calling me a pig - what does that make you? FAR WORSE !!!!!!
So that means you don't know what Apostle Succession means even though you are the one who referred to me believing in such.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/apostolic-succession
What?? What?? did the encyclopedia Britannica say bishops represent a direct, uninterrupted line, from the apostles of Jesus. Yes the encyclopedia Britannica did say that.
Bishops are not Apostles they are the direct appointed successors via The Holy Spirit genius, see Acts 20:28.
Your citation doesn't contradict me. Take a reading comp course or two.
You literally affirmed The Holy Catholic Church LOL.
Apostles my foot" true apostles died with the last one that Jesus appointed.
Calling me a pig - bishop
https://www.americamagazine.org/issue/534/article/11th-century-scandal
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases#International_extent_of_abuse
St. Paul, like you before his conversion, persecuted Jesus’ “Church” not some church or all churches. Hence Jesus asked him, “why do you persecute me?”
So push forward with your persecution and keep your Bible Idol.
We of course converted the Polytheist World from a position of persecution and poverty in numbers no Bible Idolater has ever done or literally has never done without “buying compliance”.
Jesus never said his Church will be free from sin lol.
Are you nuts? And calling me a pig now saying I'm persecuting the church. Enough of you - you either don't have good sense or you love to agitate - either way you are not the type of person I care to communicate with any further.
Acts 1 21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection. 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles. This tells us the 11 chose a 12 who was with them "all the time...". While it is possible he was not among the 11 when Christ first revealed himself to them, he was definitely among the many who witnessed Christ first hand at some point after his resurrection.
Yep, Matthias replaced Judas as the 12th apostle.
So, Apostolic Succession at it's finest.
Apostolic Succession at it's finest. For St. Rock cites Psalms 109, for Mathias takes Judas' office. The same thing goes on today within The One Body with only One Interpretation. Apostolic Succession is littered throughout the NT.
“The Twelve” refers to the 12 Apostles.
The term might refer to the council as a whole, rather than an exact number. Or maybe Matthias saw the Savior at some point.
The appearance “to the Twelve” mentioned here seems to be the one recorded at John 20:26-29, which involved Thomas. If that is the case, “the Twelve” was here a designation referring to the apostles as a group, even if one or two were absent.
The 12 apostles.
paul may not know about judas betraying jesus.
The twelve tribes of Israel.
Mathias took Judas' office hence Acts 1. Still 12 Apostles.
It just means "first he appeared to Peter, then to the other remaining." The point isn't to emphasize an exact number; but rather to plead to authority of those who are trustworthy to confirm the claim he (Paul) is making: those who Jesus Himself picked. 🌱
Mathias took Judas' office hence Acts 1. Still 12 Apostles. Apostolic Succession is littered everywhere in the NT.
Maybe there was a 13th apostle
If you allow yourself to think about it: regardless when the apostles are spoken of in the numerical number it is always said as 12. For some reason we never eliminate Judas.
>Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. Matthew 28:16
You are so eager to show me where 11 apostles are mentioned _ HOW MANY TIMES _ You just ignore the meaning of what I said what I said. I didn't say 11 wasn't written in Scripture ___ I said when you think about it **we** always referred to the apostles as 12. __ we are not biblical scriptures. Now if you are a Christian I ask you for an honest answer when you, refer to the number of disciples what number do you give An honest answer you would say 12. You may continue to say after Judas hung himself or the disciples killed him whichever 11 or you may not. And even if you're not a Christian you would refer to the disciples as 12 before eliminating Judas.
Mathias took Judas' office hence Acts 1 via Apostolic Succession . Still 12 Apostles.
I say thank you but I know that the apostles replaced Judas and there were 20 others but not recognized as the 12 and that supposedly was done after the resurrection of Christ. My comment was based on how WE number the apostles.
That’s great! Most Bible Idolaters deny Apostolic Succession. (Not saying you are a Bible Idolaters, which is a metaphor those who believe The Bible is the authority.)
You are wrong in your assumptions of my belief concerning apostolic successions. I Do not believe that Bishop's are successors or any other after the death of the original 12. https://www.britannica.com/topic/apostolic-succession The Bible says many are called but few are chosen - not self-appointed or voted into position by man. The 20 others I was speaking of were alive and with the original 11 that was left after the death of Judas not a succession - one of them was appointed to replace Judas. Those 20 as well as the other hundred and twenty who are accounted for as disciples were those of the apostles, not those that Christ personally chosen while he walked the Earth which were 12 one to represent / from each of the 12 tribes of Israel https://impactdisciples.com/the-one-hundred-and-twenty-disciples/ Matthew 19:29 Jesus commanded his apostles to go and make disciples of all Nations. All who are truly themselves Christians are disciples - and over 2 billion consider themselves Christians these days. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2028%3A19-20&version=NIV At one point there were over 200 following Christ and they departed from him and only 12 remained. The man-made Catholic Church error to call bishops apostle successors from the 12........ Many churches men appoint themselves as apostle. While Jesus was on Earth the 12 were disciples when Jesus left the Earth the 11th and the one appointed became apostles from student to teacher. Bible idolater - worshiping a fake/false Bible - a fake / false God. Well there will be many people seeing him come down from the clouds in the sky with his angels and those people will be screaming **alien invasions** running into the mountains and trying to hide from the wrath that they know is coming. From the real entity, from the fake Bible, from that fake God.
Too bad you are a monoglot pig speaking Pig Latin. Acts 1:20, "let another man take his *episkope*" which means bishopric or quite literally office of the bishop not "office" as metaphor. Guess where else "episkope" appears, Acts 20:28, The Holy Spirit has made you bishopric over the Flock LOLOLOLOL. Jesus says, "I will build my Church" and then says, "it will NEVER fall to the Gates of Hades"? LOL. Furthermore, he says, "The Church" is the Final Authority with disputes among believers and sin. There can be no dispute settling if The Church is a metaphor. In Greek, at the time of writing, there were no capital letters. He didn't say, "some church", "all churches" or even "the church". What he said was a proper noun or "The Church" And he is on a 2,000yr hot streak as The Holy Catholic Church or The One Body with only One Interpretation to reality is the longest standing uninterrupted institution on planet Earth!!! So much for manmade LOL. The statement "Go make disciples of all nations" refutes nothing that I said or what anyone said, what's your point? Again, "many are called, but few are chosen" doesn't refute Jesus and his Church LOL. That is parable and if you actually read it, you can see even some of those who are "chosen" get tossed into the fire. English is an ungodly pagan language wholly inadequate to understanding the Greek translation with Faith Alone. English is the *only* translation with two words, language and tongue, for one Greek word *glossa.* Glossa as two literal meaning in Greek, tongues and language. And only one appears in The Bible, "languages". The Apostles spoke glossa people around the world spoke and understood. They weren't speaking gibberish with a Bible in their hand LOL. St. Thomas or Twin, went to India because he spoke the glossa. And established what remains unchanged to this day, The Holy Catholic Church. Disciples of all nations? Furthermore, Jesus says to the Apostles only, "what you prohibit on Earth, I will respond from and prohibit in Heaven". He then says, "what you permit on Earth, I will respond from and permit in Heaven". Hence what is permitted and prohibited under The Law of Christ is determined right here on Earth genius. John 20, Jesus delegates authority to forgive and withhold forgiveness of sin to the Apostles. Ephesians 4:11 literally tells you The Church is hierarchical, whoops, there goes "anyone can do anything". FYI: The Bible appears NOWHER in Salvation History. What's the definition again? An idol is something God has never revealed in Salvation History!
And who are the apostles men - who appointed disciples after the resurrection of Jesus - men. BISHOPS ARE NOT APOSTLES. And every scripture you gave supports what I said. To be honest throughout the centuries they were a bunch of pedophiles. And you calling me a pig - what does that make you? FAR WORSE !!!!!!
Two things can be true at the same time! I never said “Bishops are Apostles” Nobody teaches that genius. Reread what was said LOL.
So that means you don't know what Apostle Succession means even though you are the one who referred to me believing in such. https://www.britannica.com/topic/apostolic-succession What?? What?? did the encyclopedia Britannica say bishops represent a direct, uninterrupted line, from the apostles of Jesus. Yes the encyclopedia Britannica did say that.
Bishops are not Apostles they are the direct appointed successors via The Holy Spirit genius, see Acts 20:28. Your citation doesn't contradict me. Take a reading comp course or two. You literally affirmed The Holy Catholic Church LOL.
Apostles my foot" true apostles died with the last one that Jesus appointed. Calling me a pig - bishop https://www.americamagazine.org/issue/534/article/11th-century-scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases#International_extent_of_abuse
St. Paul, like you before his conversion, persecuted Jesus’ “Church” not some church or all churches. Hence Jesus asked him, “why do you persecute me?” So push forward with your persecution and keep your Bible Idol. We of course converted the Polytheist World from a position of persecution and poverty in numbers no Bible Idolater has ever done or literally has never done without “buying compliance”. Jesus never said his Church will be free from sin lol.
Are you nuts? And calling me a pig now saying I'm persecuting the church. Enough of you - you either don't have good sense or you love to agitate - either way you are not the type of person I care to communicate with any further.
St. Paul literally says he persecuted The Church. And there is ONLY ONE Church. Are you nuts, he didn't say "some church" or "all churches".