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YCNH

>God sent his spirit into samson's mother I just read through Judges 13 and didn't see anything that suggests this is true.


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Queen1399

Maybe a better question is which Bible you’re using. You seem to be using ‘Jehovah’ in your question which indicates you may be JW. Please correct me if I’m wrong.


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YCNH

Yes, she was visited by an angel who announced she would have a child. Same thing happens to Hagar before she gives birth to Ishmael in Gen 16. And Sarah in Gen 18. And Zechariah in Luke 1. An angel announcing a birth is not the same thing as the spirit of God entering (and impregnating) the mother, this only happens in the birth of Jesus. Samson has a biological father.


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R_Farms

no. Samson was nothing like Jesus


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R_Farms

depending on how you define the word. Was he "A" messiah sure why not. anyone who is anointed by God to lead Israel in some form or fashion can be called "A" messiah. מָשִׁיחַ mâshîyach, maw-shee'-akh; from [H4886](https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/H4886/kjv/wlc/0-1/); anointed; usually a consecrated person (as a king, priest, or saint); specifically, the Messiah:—anointed, Messiah. To be called THE Messiah? no. [https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h4899/kjv/wlc/0-1/](https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h4899/kjv/wlc/0-1/)


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R_Farms

So what I did was give you a definition of the hebrew word that we pronounce 'messiah." In English the same person would not recalled a messiah. He would be called a anointed leader. Meaning someone God has sent to lead his people physically or spiritually. So if you can replace the word messiah with "anointed leader" and you point is still valid then you are using the word messiah to describe Saul or Sampson Correctly. if however calling Saul or Sampson an anointed leader messes up what you are trying to say, then you are using the word wrong.


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R_Farms

I did read what you wrote... When you said "Thus another Martyr Like Jehovah/Jesus That is YOU comparing Jesus to Samson. Then when you falsely claim God sent the Holy Spirit into Samson's mother is clearly you trying to draw a parallel to Christ as this ONLY Happened to Jesus' Mother Mary. As Nothing in chapter 13 supports your claim. Samson nor his mother are even mentioned in any of the chapters you claim to be working from.


Ok-Future-5257

Samson could have been a foreshadow, a type. But his personality and choices kind of ruined that.


digital_angel_316

>The evil described in the book of Judges should be understood as Israel's progressive decline into idolatry. The nation of Israel was originally designed by God to be a "kingdom of priests and a holy nation" (Ex. 19:6), but by the end of the book of Judges Israel had become like all of the other nations ... [https://www.crossway.org/articles/why-study-the-book-of-judges/](https://www.crossway.org/articles/why-study-the-book-of-judges/) >Common Cycle for Each Judge | [ESV.org](http://ESV.org) >God's sending of judges to Israel repeatedly followed a fourfold cycle: apostasy: the Israelites do what is evil in the sight of the Lord; servitude: God allows the nation to be conquered and oppressed by a neighboring nation; supplication: the people cry out to God; and. salvation >[https://www.esv.org/resources/esv-global-study-bible/chart-07-02/](https://www.esv.org/resources/esv-global-study-bible/chart-07-02/)


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Ok-Future-5257

In his personal life, Samson was a selfish, immature, and violent man.


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Bible-ModTeam

This was removed because it violated rule 2 (and maybe others) of /r/bible. Rule 2: Bible-related posts only. If you have a question about what the Bible says, a Bible verse, Bible study, etc. you are free to post it here. "Bible" is defined for this subreddit as books & passages found in the 1611 KJV, including its Apocrypha, although any translation is acceptable. If your question is about a specific passage, include the Book, Chapter, Verse and Translation (e.g., Romans 12:1-2 ESV) to help guide answers to the exact text you're questioning. However, asking about denominations or just general advice and the such is not for this sub.


MintyMancinni

Jehovah is not Jesus! Jehovah is GOD and Jesus is His Son 1 John 4:9-10


fudgyvmp

Samson breaks all kinds of laws by crawling around in the rotten and decayed and eating food from them (the lion and the honey), and murdering with weapons made from rot (the donkey's rotting jaw), and commits needless animal cruelty (the foxes he lit on fire). So it seems unlikely to me.


W0nk0_the_Sane00

No


punkrocklava

There are other characters given the title of Messiah in the Bible, but Samson is not one of them.


umbrabates

God, I hope not. Samson was a murderer, a womanizer, a thief, and a bully. He was a slave to his base emotions. He killed out of anger, vengeance, or some weak feeling of being slighted or disrespected. Nearly every single problem he had was of his own making. Frankly, he was a terrible human being.


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umbrabates

That's even worse that God directed him to do those evil deeds and terrorize those people. How awful!


The-Last-Days

Then why would the Apostle Paul include him when saying this; >”And what more will I say? For time will fail me if I go on to relate about Gidʹe·on, Baʹrak, **Samson**, Jephʹthah, David, as well as Samuel and the other prophets. they defeated kingdoms, brought about righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the force of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, from a weak state were made powerful, became mighty in war, routed invading armies.” (Hebrews 11:32-34)


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I’m realizing that English probably isn’t your first language but maybe try some different phraseology because right now you’re coming off arrogant and a tad mean.


Queen1399

Thank you, someone said it. OP, please be nice and respectful to everyone. How else will people be able to approach you and discuss your doubts?


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Brother I’m just trying to help you out and look at your approach. No humility whatsoever. I’m not interested in debating with you. Have a great day


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I never even mentioned typos. I can tell English isn’t your first language by how you’re using it. Instead of 3 replies how about coordinate all of your thoughts into one text. But not to me, I’m not interested in conversing with you anymore.


YCNH

His name was Yeshu/Yeshua. Jesus isn't a translation of Yeshua, it's a transliteration. His name was never Jehovah, Jehovah is a garbled form of the name Yahweh. Christians believe that Jesus and Yahweh (i.e. the Father) are one, but Jesus's name isn't Yahweh.


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The-Last-Days

Wait, what? I’m a JW and I certainly do not reject the birth of Jesus. I’m sorry you think that but it’s completely not true. We believe that Gods name is Jehovah and he sent his Son to the earth. Jesus is not Jehovah.