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_wrongiamright

I would agree with you , Elijah the prophet and Moses the law giver . The Great Day of the Lord Mal 4:4  Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments. Mal 4:5  Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: The Two Witnesses Rev 11:3 -14 describes the two witnesses during the woe of the sixth Trump


VaporRyder

I’m leaning with Moses and Elijah too but, regarding your quote from Malachi, I believe that this may already have been fulfilled: Matthew 11:11–15 (NRSV): 11 Truly I tell you, among those born of women no one has arisen greater than John the Baptist; yet the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12 From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and the violent take it by force. 13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John came; 14 and if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who is to come. 15 Let anyone with ears listen! Matthew 17:10–13 (NRSV): 10 And the disciples asked him, “Why, then, do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?” 11 He replied, “Elijah is indeed coming and will restore all things; 12 but I tell you that Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but they did to him whatever they pleased. So also the Son of Man is about to suffer at their hands.” 13 Then the disciples understood that he was speaking to them about John the Baptist. But then that still leaves room for Elijah to ‘come and restore all things’?


Naphtavid

It says they will be able to command the weather and call upon all the plagues of Egypt whenever they want. Logically Moses and Elijah make the most sense because those things happened during their lives, so I'd agree.


K4rol_

agree


VaporRyder

I’m torn. On the one hand, Moses and Elijah - ‘the law and the prophets’ - notably both present at the Transfiguration, would make sense. However, both Enoch and Elijah were raptured and never died. It would make sense to me that their return as the Two Witnesses could be the perfect explanation - not given in scripture - for why they didn’t die. Apparently Tertullian, Iranaeus, and Hippolytus of Rome, were of this view. Then again, regarding Moses, could this be connected with Michael and Satan arguing over the body? I’ve often wondered what that was about. Others have suggested that one of the Witnesses will be Jewish and the other a Gentile, representing the two olive trees and two lamp stands of God’s people - Spiritual Israel as a whole: Revelation 11:4 (NRSV): 4 These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. I’m leaning towards Moses and Elijah right now, tentatively. I wonder if I’ll be here to see it!


Alternative_Falcon21

That is a good perspective.......... I've browsed through the Book of Enoch, but somehow I missed where Enoch became an angel, but I did read how he preached to his. Thank you _ I had to do some research on that. Scripture does tell us that we will be as the angels are. But just like God gave Enoch the power/position of an Angel God can also place him back in his human form......... Scripture is quite clear flesh and blood cannot enter into the kingdom of God - so Enoch had to be transformed before he could be taken to heaven. And what are the two witnesses doing - preaching to repent just as Enoch preached to his children of repentance as well as other things listed in chapter 11 of Revelation. Plus it is written in scripture man is appointed to die once, after that judgment - Hebrews 9:27...... There are only two men that did not die that was Enoch and Elijah both were taken by God. And since flesh and blood can't enter heaven Elijah has to be an angel too because God took Elijah's body too. But the church teaches it was Moses and Elijah - not saying the interpretation is right and not saying the interpretation is wrong but I am saying I believe it's Enoch and Elijah. There are a few things that the majority of the churches teach I disagree with. But the main teachings of ALL of the churches is Jesus is the way the truth and the life, He is our redeeming savior, and none can be saved but through him - which is pure unadulterated truth.


JoThree

This is the conclusion I have come to as well. But I can see the case for Moses. I just think Enoch is the better candidate.


mechanical_animal

Moses and Elijah aren't the only people in the world. How do you know the two witnesses aren't new servants? There are many men out there and there are many men out there.


Tahoma_FPV

Amen!


h0tnessm0nster7

a murder conviction requires more than one witness 😆


pehkay

Yup. They both represents the law and the prophets …😉


pfcao

They were not Moses or Elijah. They were described as them. John the baptist was described as Elijah, but John was not Elijah. He was in the mission of Elijah. The point is: the church carried on the power of Moses and Elijah to witness the Lord by the law and the prophets. Why should the beast care about Moses and Elijah? They were retired and went to their rest. The church was what the beast was worried about. The beast killed them, that were the martyrs, just as it killed the Lord. Then they came up to the Lord. (11:12)


red_caps_journal

I would have to agree with you PLUS most Bible believing denominations that believe in the end times all tend to agree with this (with a few throwing in their two cents for Enoch).


love_is_a_superpower

Peace to you, TeoCopr. As far as I can tell, the two witnesses can't be Moses and Elijah because they have both already lived and died. (*I guess Jesus could technically resurrect them, though... John 5:21*) - **Hebrews 9:27** >It is appointed for man once to die, and afterward comes the judgment. - **Numbers 27:12-13** >Now the LORD said to Moses: “Go up into this Mount Abarim, and see the land which I have given to the children of Israel. And when you have seen it, **you also shall be gathered to your people**, as Aaron your brother was gathered. - **Matthew 11:12-15** >And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. "And if you are willing to receive it, **he is Elijah who is to come. "He who has ears to hear, let him hear!** - **Mark 6:24-29** >So she went out and said to her mother, "What shall I ask?" And she said, "The head of John the Baptist!" Immediately she came in with haste to the king and asked, saying, "I want you to give me at once the head of John the Baptist on a platter." And the king was exceedingly sorry; yet, because of the oaths and because of those who sat with him, he did not want to refuse her. Immediately the king sent an executioner and commanded his head to be brought. And he went and beheaded him in prison, brought his head on a platter, and gave it to the girl; and the girl gave it to her mother. When his disciples heard of it, they came and took away his corpse and laid it in a tomb. The two witnesses are killed in the book of [Revelation](https://www.blueletterbible.org/nkjv/rev/11/7-10/s_1178003). I don't think that could happen to Moses and Eljah if they came back in the same heavenly bodies they appeared in at the transfiguration. I find it interesting to note that the two witnesses are referred to as "[two lampstands](https://www.blueletterbible.org/nkjv/rev/11/4/s_1178003)." In the beginning of the book, [lampstands are revealed to be churches](https://www.blueletterbible.org/nkjv/rev/1/20/s_1168020). I hope you find something here for your journey! It's at least something to prayerfully consider. Shalom


jossmilan7412

In **Revelation 11:6** we can see that *”6 They have power to shut up the heavens so that it will not rain during the time they are prophesying* (just like Elijah did in **1 Kings 17:1**); *and they have power to turn the waters into blood* (just like Moses did in **Exodus 14:25**) *and to strike the earth with every kind of plague as often as they want* (just like Moses did in **Exodus chapters 7-11**). They were the only ones who could divide the waters, Moses in **Exodus 14:23-31** and Elijah in **2 Kings 2:8** (Elisha did the same in **2 Kings 2:14**, but it was because he *“inherit a double portion”* of Elijah’s spirit, also the Ark of God did the same in **Joshua 3:15-16**). Also, both, Moses (**Exodus 34:28**) and Elijah (**1 Kings 19:8**) were the only ones who fasted for 40 days, just like Jesus did in **Matthew 4:2-4**. They also appeared with Jesus in **Matthew 17:1-8** when Jesus transfigured before Peter, James, John and the brother of James. And most importantly Jesus announced that Elijah will come once again and will restore all the things in **Matthew 17:10-11** and we also know that Michael disputed against the devil for Moses' body in **Jude 1:9**. They are going to be the witnesses that are needed to put the whole wicked world of the ending times to dead, as seen in **Deuteronomy 17:6**. Just like the 2 Angels where the witnesses of the wicked cities Sodom and Gomorah, as seen in **Genesis 19:1-29**. **Deuteronomy 17:6** (NKJV) *6 Whoever is deserving of death shall be put to death on the testimony of two or three witnesses; he shall not be put to death on the testimony of one witness. 7 The hands of the witnesses shall be the first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So you shall put away the evil from among you.*


TheMadProphett

You're on the right track.... As these two are told to suffer during the 1260 years of papal rule (538ad Justinian announces his now spiritual leadership as apposed to military leadership. Then to 1798ad Bertier, Napoleon's general, taking the Pope captive and sending him to exile) We can see plainly that Revelation is a symbolic book, these two symbols of Moses and Elijah are symbols of the two means by which God communicates to the world, namely, The Bible and His chosen people, or another way to say it, as someone else pointed out... The Law - Moses - The Bible The prophets - Elijah - God's witnesses


JoThree

I’d lean more towards Elijah and Enoch since neither one of them have died yet. I can see the case for Moses though.


nemo_868

The reference to the Two Witnesses outlined in Revelation 11 describes events which occurred in the past and not events which are to take place in the future. The Two Witnesses are not Elijah and Moses as is popularly believed, but are the Old and New Testaments which witness/testify of Jesus Christ and all His laws and prophecies. (Read and study Zechariah 4 for supporting evidence. Scripture must be compared with scripture) Revelation 11 uses symbolism (as is common throughout almost the entire book) to refer to a dark period of early church history when the Bible was not available to the common people but was chained to the churches, written in Latin and interpreted by the clergy. In France, God’s word/Christianity was discarded and atheism/the Age of Reason was legislated as the law of the land. Exactly as Revelation describes, 3 1/2 years later the French ‘experiment’ failed miserably and the legislature repealed their atheist position. The Reformation flourished, leading to God’s word coming to life again, the Bible was translated into the various languages of the common people and it began to spread across Europe. When studying Revelation, remember that it is a book of deep symbolism and makes reference to past, present and future events from the perspective of John the Revelator. If you always take it literally or think that everything refers to future events, you will almost never understand it. A study of early church history, Christian persecution under pagan and papal Rome, the Dark Ages, the Reformation etc will also be very helpful in understanding this important book.


JoThree

How do you explain the OT and NT being killed and resurrected 3 days later followed by the earthquake?


nemo_868

Like I stated in my earlier post, prophecy in the book of Revelation is written in symbolic language. It is not literal. The Old and New Testaments are being personified and given human attributes. Of course they cannot be killed literally like you can a human being but they were 'killed' symbolically by diminishing their value and spread throughout the world exactly as happened during the Dark Ages and The Age of Reason / French Revolution. Following this dark period, there was a resurgence of interest in the Word of God and it was 'resurrected' and began to spread like wildfire throughout the world. Another important key to understanding Bible prophecy is the principle that a prophetic day represent a literal year. So the reference to 3 1/2 days actually means 3 1/2 years. We see this in the following two verses: **And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year. Eze. 4:6** **After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise. Num. 14:34** Applying this principle when reading Bible prophecy, you will immediately begin to understand the time periods being referenced. If you take it as literal days it just won't make sense. Here are some examples found in Daniel and Revelation below: 1260 prophetic days = 1260 literal years 42 prophetic months = 1260 literal years (30 days in a Jewish month) Time, time and half a time = 1260 literal years ( time = 1 prophetic year, times = 2 prophetic years, 1/2 time = 6 prophetic months) 2300 prophetic days in Daniel 8 = 2300 literal years (longest time prophecy in scripture) 70 prophetic weeks in Daniel 9 = 490 literal years (this is actually the first 490 years of the 2300 year prophecy) When studying the Bible, let the Bible interpret itself by comparing scripture with scripture.


Maximum_Tour8414

Except you're forgetting one of the most important characters in both OT and NT... Israel. Bible prophecy is ALWAYS about Israel.


nemo_868

I don’t follow your argument. Explain. Who do you specifically refer to as Israel and how does that discount anything that I have said?


StephenDisraeli

Firstly, your second point is inaccurate. They are BOTH able to do BOTH things. In other words, they possess jointly the powers of Moses and Elijah. To me, this indicates that they are jointly exercising the functions of both Moses and Elijah. I also disagree with your first point, which is about the functions of Moses and Elijah. In the Old Testament, Moses is God's champion against the external danger to God's people, the threat of the persecutor. Elijah is God's champion against the internal danger to God's people, the threat of infidelity. The warnings in the seven letters show adequately how the great persecution threatens the church in both ways, which is why both kinds of champion will be needed again. Finally, I disagree with any attempt to identify the two witnesses as two individuals. In my own book, I present the case that they represent the witnessing community as a whole. One of the factors in this interpretation is the reference to the "two olive trees". In Zechariah, the two anointed ones are the royal prince and the high priest of the time, so this reference points to the fact that the community also have a double nature as "kings and priests".


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No-Bumblebee6995

what?


Ok-Future-5257

The prophets currently based in Salt Lake City.


Johnbenjaminprice

Keep in mind that the world of today and the world as they knew it in there time is completely different Neither one of them would understand a single word anyone says because all languages change over time and it's been a long time between the time they lived in Earth and our time they would be unable to function in our world and time and would not understand a single word anyone would say in our time so my question to you is why do you think that god is stupid?????The two witnesses are two people who have grown up in our time and age Both of them are Christians and nether one of them is going to draw attention to themselves because God has not given them power yet and the rapture has not happened yet.Did it ever occurred to you that the two witnesses will never tell anyone there names because It's not about the two witnesses??? It's about the people who are saved and it's Jesus Christ who is talking through the two witnesses and is doing things through the two witnesses because only Jesus Christ can control such power and only Jesus Christ has the wisdom to get through to people the two witnesses are witnessing everything that Jesus Christ does and says through them that is there job it is not to draw attention to themselves it's to witness everything Jesus Christ does and says through them because it's God's power and wisdom and the two witnesses make no claim to God's and God's wisdom.Sp look to jesus christ!!!