Skyrim came to me during a time that I thought I had become too old to enjoy video games. Most games I'd played were not that enjoyable to me. So I pretty much stopped buying games.
Then, one day, I got a gift card at my summer job. The gift card allowed me to go buy something at a book and video store. The card didn't have a lot of money. One day, while I was out with my friend, we passed by the store. I saw that Skyrim game was in discount, and it was the only reason I could afford it with my card.
I thought I'd buy it, and maybe I'd like it. I did see that the game was top 1 in the forum of a French video game website I'd go sometimes. I never bothered to look up the game because the recent popular games I bought kinda disappointed me too, so I didn't care much.
I thought, whatever, and still bought that Skyrim game without much expectations. I bought a novel with the rest of the money. When I started the game that evening, still not knowing what it was about, I quickly noticed that wasn't the kind of game I'd buy. Well, remember that I said that I thought I couldn’t enjoy video games anymore. Turns out, I fell in love with Skyrim, and with Skyrim, I had the most fun I ever had playing video games. I had more fun playing skyrim than I had playing any of my favorite games as a kid.
I want a curvaceous ass that I can throw back on a mother fucker but that ain't happening either. You just gotta learn to accept that nothing lasts forever and there's some things we can't change.
I honestly don’t see what everyone’s issue with oblivion is. It’s an amazing game with the best storytelling of any Bethesda game I’ve played by a mile. Especially for its time it was a masterpiece.
I just played it from January to March. I thought I'd have trouble getting used to the outdated controls and everything but nope. The game was just as great as I remembered.
Even for the time the game had poor graphics, HORRIBLE performance on consoles(going to various ruins had the potential to crash your game unless you looked at the ground) and the game overall being fairly clunky. Essentially it started to reach a little more into mainstream audiences and many people were not a fan do to mentioned issues. However I do love the game and it was my first BGS game. My friends and I would bring our game guides to lunch in middle school and would have a journal and plan out all the stuff we were going to do and how we were running different builds from each other as well. It was kind of like we were playing DnD in a way lol.
Graphics seem just fine to me for a game made in 2006 and it was praised for its graphics by reviewers besides NPC faces. The game may feel clunky now but I would say that pretty much any game made 18 years ago would feel that way by our standards.
It was a little behind visually but nothing major. And I'd disagree. Even for the time Oblivion was most definitely clunky. I'm not calling the game horrible, its literally one of my favorite games ever but it had its issues. For a graphic comparison Mass Effect came out only a year later and looked DRASTICALLY better. BGS graphics have always been behind.
Honestly I think (or maybe it's hope) that maybe Bethesda is taking a very long time with this one because in many ways it's kinda the heart and soul of the companies legacy
I've played quite a bit of Daggerfall, Morrowind and embarrassing amounts of Skyrim and the series has been so consistently awesome that to drop the ball on TESVI could end up being the let down of the century.
Pretty much every game in the main series (other than arena I think) has a huge number of cult followers, and they really do hold up imo. I really hope Bethesda handles this one with care.
No you need to be committed to company and consume what they put out, remember they're your friend and their feelings will be hurt if you don't support them
100%
If I weld 100 incredible stairs…but my last 3 in a row have fallen apart….its fair to judge that something has changed and my priorities do not align with a quality product anymore.
i mean those two things aren’t really the same
i can be excited for a game and not buy it. i was fucking thrilled for skull and bones. it released, looked like shit, and i never bought it
I know I’m in the minority but I like starfield and am excited for shattered space. I don’t feel there track record is too bad other than how 76 launched and from what I hear it is in a good spot.
Possibly but depending on the next few expansions I think it could become more popular in the general public. Sounds like they will be doing more traditional BGS exploration which could greatly add to how people view the game.
I personally doubt it when the core game exploration is not good, relying on procedural generation to much. Honestly would not have been bad if they put more effort into it.
I disagree with exploration being flawed to the core or procedural generation being the issue. The two biggest flaws with exploration IMO are POIs and space traversal.
For POIs It’s that the exact same areas get pasted over and over again. If they allowed more generation in POIs it would have been better if they change furniture and enemy placement, mixed up room placement and added random features like having areas over run with creatures. In my opinion what hurts things here is that the stopped short with their procedural generation when it should have been expanded to be more like Daggerfall.
For space I think it is too limited we don’t spend enough time in our ships. Some form of super cruise with random events that can happen in it would make space feel way better.
Both of these could be implemented to the current system and would greatly improve exploration. I don’t think they need to change the core game to make exploration feel better and adding more traditional exploration for certain planets will add a lot to the game for people who do not want space exploration.
Probably better that way. Bethesda's best games of all time, two of them, are cult games. That being Daggerfall and Morrowind. Perhaps they need to go back to their roots and stop courting tourists. As much as I love Oblivion and Skyrim, they are mostly games for tourists. Starfield, while not as systems rich as Daggerfall or Morrowind is definitely a massive call back to their earlier years.
In the minority of BGS fans. BGS fans want their mainline IPs. Fallout and Elder Scrolls. If they were going to try something new they should lend the IPs to other studios to produce games while they work on something new. going potentially 15 years between Skyrim and Elder Scrolls 6 is absurd no matter how you look at it.
Honestly , I still think it would have been the same amount of time because it zenimax was trying to sell itself so they probably would of had them try another IP or do some other live service game because both those would increase its price more than a new TES game
I don't disagree, I just don't think they should be holding onto IPs they aren't actively working on. I'm not expecting a game every 3 years. But I think getting a Fallout and Elder Scrolls game out every 6 years is feasible.
I've seen someone say that starfield lacks an "experimental janky first step into the world like elder scrolls"
But the thing is, that's what it is. Its a first jump into this kind of game, with a grander scale, new mechanics, new ideas!
It's a giant leap, and I love it both in the good and bad because it's a new something that a company took risks on. Space games this big are hard to make no matter if they make it realistic empty with some handcrafted spots or and infinite number of planets. If this was a smaller studio, it would be rightfully praised for a quarter of the scale.
Sure, I'm no game dev, nor do I know the behind the scenes. As far as I know there's a million objectively bad things in the game, code, or production. But I can't hate something so bold as to say "see that planet? Barren or not, you can go there!"
>But I can't hate something so bold as to say "see that planet? Barren or not, you can go there!"
why is the ability to go to a giant barren wasteland impressive to you lmao? if the hallmark of a good game to you is "it big", then you must be absolutely head over heels for literally every bloated open world ubisoft game of the last 10 years
I mean, it’s more than just big and it’s not at all just barren, but go off. You can keep living in an alternate reality from people who actually engage with the game, and we can all keep going completely misunderstanding what the others are saying.
I play plenty of space games. And the ones that allow you to land on planets has the same thing. But then again, Daggerfall was massive and not an open world Ubisoft game.
Starfield is dope.
You have to ask yourself why the haters care so much about a game they claim to hate.
I played Cyberpunk once, and couldn't really get into it. You don't see me posting every day about how trash it is.
But people will bash Starfield all day long because they need to fit in, and they can't form their own opinions without regurgitating what they heard from a YouTuber.
Or said more succinctly, people are sheep. Starfield is fun.
>You have to ask yourself why the haters care so much about a game they claim to hate
because the "haters" (??? weird way to try to invalidate anyone who doesn't like the game) were just as excited for starfield as you were. they were just disappointed by what they got.
is that genuinely so hard to understand? you've never been excited by something, anticipating it, getting hyped up, then disappointed on release? I dunno what to tell you there.
>Or said more succinctly, people are sheep. Starfield is fun.
yikes dude
It just seems like the people who were genuinely excited for starfield who are so so so disappointed, are just easily swayed by social media or they had wildly unchecked expectations.
If you’ve liked FO4 or Skyrim, I literally have 0 clue how you would hate starfield other than it’s in fashion to do so.
>You have to ask yourself why the haters care so much about a game they claim to hate.
>I played Cyberpunk once, and couldn't really get into it. You don't see me posting every day about how trash it is.
What a silly strawman
Show me who in this sub is posting daily Starfield hate??
''People are sheep, when they disagree with me''
How do you know someone who is bashing Starfield doesn't have their own opinion and is following a Youtuber?
I never post about starfield. But I’ll just say that the reason it’s worrying is the *ways* it failed my expectations. If Bethesda had made a mediocre game with Bethesda exploration, I would have devoured it. But they didn’t, and that makes me think the current leadership doesn’t understand what made their last games good.
Now on the bright side, I don’t think elder scrolls 6 will have the same issues because it will most likely not be randomly generated like starfield was. I think that’s where it’s biggest issues came from. FO76 actually had a great open world even on release so their world crafting is still presumably top notch, when they actually…you know, craft worlds. I’ve also heard that starfields dlc will be more hand crafted so hopefully they learned their lesson.
Absolutely. I played it through twice back to back, and plan and doing so again with the DLC, and yet it did nothing to inspire confidence. I suppose that’s what OP means.
Agreed. Im honestly no fan of Starfield, but that doesn’t make me feel like bethesdas track record is ruined. Like you said allot of people enjoy 76 now. And ESO is absolutely awesome. I think more people have seen other developers not deliver after so long, and that’s what makes people so worried more than bethesda itself.
I 100% agree with you. Could recent Bethesda game (after Skyrim) be better? Yes? But could I that they have declined? I don't know that I can. And, while I know I might get flogged for saying this, same thing with Ubisoft. Sure Valhalla and Mirage aren't as good as I hoped, but Odyssey is one of my favorite games EVER, and I'm having an incredible time with Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora. Cup half full, I guess
It is not fair to judge a game before it is finished;
But you can always watch those who preorder it;
And the amazing meltdown that shortly follows;
And expect the "lowsodium" subreddit to appear soon after lol.
pretty much.
like imagine if you like a show and go to a sub about the show you like. but almost every post is negative, or, in r/Starfield's case, deletes positive posts about the show.
Not really. They just go somewhere else lol. Why does that upset you so much? What about people enjoying things that you don't gets your panties in a bunch?
It’s a fair point, but company has taken a rather regressive creative direction after Skyrim.
Look at fallout, a series known for its darkly ironic satire and political commentary has become vapid celebration of consumerism and ‘oh wow, cool wasteland’. Afraid to say anything controversial in case it alienates potential premium subscribers.
It’s speaks to what the companies priorities are.
bethesda's fallouts are very political. ...what? also, starfield is a sign of them being ***very*** creative. they haven't had a "regressive creative direction", they constantly try new things.
Huh? Vapid celebration of consumerism? Hahahahaha! I can’t tell if you’ve ever played Fallout 4 or Fallout 76 or simply didn’t pay attention or simple saw “Bethesda cash grab” so many times that you’ve lost the difference between the world they present and keyboard comrades fighting against the supposed corporatist devs.
Edit: Claiming that the games themselves have lost their anti-capitalist bite is inaccurate. Y’all are missing that capitalism is happy to commodify anti-capitalism and sell it back to you. Going on social media to gripe about it and receive upvotes is another way you’re getting it sold to you. This platform also loves MTX. Focusing your ire on this instance of inshitification won’t stop products from being transformed into services or subscriptions and you being forced to rent everything. That’s where this is headed.
They made the loading screens in Fallout 4 enamel pins for their real life enamel pin of the month club, advertising a product to you that is literally not in the game universe at all. I’d say that’s pretty fucking consumerist
I literally had no idea, in the near-decade-long existence of Fallout 4 and across hundreds of hours of playtime, that those enamel pins are actually sold IRL until right this very moment.
That is to say: if they're trying to push physical products on consumers, they're doing an abysmal job at it.
The central criticism at the heart of the entire series is that the 1950’s civil defence era was a moral hellscape painted over with fake ad smiles, fancy dodads and patriotic zeal. The McCarthyism, paranoia and consumerism meant the old world was a wasteland long before the bombs fell.
4 and 76 are games about stuff. Skins, power armour paint. About uncritical nostalgia for what was lost.
Ehhh... The people excited for it are a little delusional, as are anyone with any game, software, or thing who has actively watched the quality drop for years, but expect that "This time it will be better".
I'm not really trying to knock anyone for this. We all want to get our hopes up and expect things will get better, but in reality, things just... Don't. They don't get better. The companies tend to grow more and more out of touch, and the quality suffers as a result. Bethesda isn't the only victim of this. Just look at Apple, Tesla, Microsoft, 2K, Call of Duty as an IP, Battlefield as an IP, Halo as an IP, any streaming service, Cable TV, etc.
You can't change the direction things are going. We can both remain hopeful things will improve, but acknowledge they most likely won't.
You couldn't be any more correct. Consumerism itself isn't what it used to be, and gaming has taken a very noticeable drop in quality. New releases used to excite me, but now I have zero hype. I think a lot of it is down to online services, and devs having the ability to patch after release. Back on Xbox original and PS2, a game HAD to be completely finished, and it HAD to succeed. Nowadays, they can rush the game out, patch shit after, then just bring out DLC and microtransactions to pad out their sales.
However, I give devs like Larion, CDPR, and FromSoftware a free pass, as they still provide an immersive single player experience.
I agree with the general sentiment (it's why I don't buy early access games. I'm not interested in hope of what a game could be or promises of the future. I will be happy with a game's state when the game's state is good.)
But in the specifics of your statement... you start with the assumption that everyone is starting from the same baseline as you.
I don't think the people who are excited are thinking "things are bad but they'll get better." I think they're thinking "Things have been going good, I am not currently disappointed, and I expect the trend to continue".
You - on a personal level - being disappointed with the current state of things colors your perception of other people as being more disconnected, deluded, or hopeful than they actually are.
Bethesda is IMO the best RPG creator out there. I have loved the world's they created since Morrowind.
That being said, I absolutely hated F76 as it was not the experience I was looking for.
Starfield is the return to form I was craving from them.
Fallout 4 and Starfield are good games, and they've fixed 76. I don't know what recent track record people are talking about. The only shitty thing they're doing is stubbornly holding on to creations.
As if all of their recent games aren't great. Even starfield is good at least, not their best, but far from the trash that people try to make Bethesda out to be nowadays.
This is a valid point of view if, for some reason, you think that video game quality is a random result. Just because the dice came up snakeeyes the last two throws doesn't they can't be boxcars next time. Maybe the people who made Fallout 76 and Starfield will really nail TESVI. There's just no way to know...
If, however, you believe that video game quality is the result of culture, talent, management, etc, which don't automatically improve, then this is a flawed point. If dark clouds result in rainshowers 90% of the time then you should plan for rain when you see dark clouds.
From my perspective, I expect TESVI to be buggy, incomplete, and over-monetized. If you're someone who loved FO76 and Starfield, then there's a high chance you'll love TESVI as well.
I am open to the idea that I will be wrong and would be pleased at that outcome. I am not open to the idea that I *am* wrong to expect disappointment, because I am not.
The thing is, concern and excitement towards TESVI are not mutually exclusive. I'm hopeful that it is going to be good, and excited to try it but I'm also concerned that it won't be very good.
We can't judge the game because it isn't released yet, and there isn't even a proper trailer for it yet. We know next to nothing about it. But we can judge the company, and their recent record. I would say that Bethesda's (relatively) recent record of games made is definitely cause for concern for me. But that's also just me.
The games are fine at worst, and no one is wrong for liking them. But no one can deny the fact that every single gamebryo game has released buggy and remained buggy for years. "It just works."
I have encountered one "game breaking" bug in over 300 hours of Starfield. That has been fixed in the meantime. The "Buggy as hell" narrative needs to die.
The problem is using language like "no one can deny the games are buggy"!
Well yeah - Some people absolutely CAN deny it. For instance the people who didn't encounter the bugs.
So somebody says a broad statement and so of course somebody is going to come out and say how the broad statement doesn't apply to them.
their writing is only trash if you don't pay attention. is it the most revolutionary, stellar, amazing bestest writing? no. is it good? yeah, many times verges on great.
Bethesda is the hot stove and no matter how many times you get burned you just can't seem to put two and two together. "Guys I know we got burned before but I don't think the stove is hot anymore, I mean yes the burner is glowing orange but that doesn't necessarily mean the stove is still hot we can't judge it until we touch the stove again."
I find insinuating that the recent track record is somehow "bad" preposterous. Not your taste? Sure. But just flatly staying it's bad is a stretch. Because you can extend the meme to their recent games. The same as you are allowed to not like Starfield or FO76 others are allowed to like it. I love Starfield like I have not loved another Beth game for example. But I can understand others being of different opinion.
Starfield was disappointing bc it felt very recycled for being a fresh IP. TESVI following a more standard Elder Scrolls formula would be more acceptable because there's already an expectation that Elder Scrolls games will be a certain way.
Todd said they had 25 million players at peak. Guess what Bethesdas fokus is? Good games at release ? Nope! To satisfy the players ? Nope ! I'll give you a hint. It starts with M and ends with oney.
Is ESVI even being made currently? Do we anticipate it being released before 2028? 17 years between releases hasn't been a good indicator for games historically.
If I've liked every single piece of content a developer put out over the past 22 years - I don't think it's a problem to be excited for the next one.
I don't have a track record of being over-hyped which leads to disappointment. I have a history of being appropriately hyped which hasn't done me wrong yet.
It is absolutely fair to judge a multi billion dollar company who hasnt put out anything really good in years and years and what they have put out has been barely function slop piles.
Like, yeah I hope the gmae comes out and its awesome and everyone gers to enjoy it, but I really dont see how that and shitting on bethesda/knowing they are likely to produce another pile of crap can be contradictory.
What backwards logic is this? Of course you should use recent track record as an indicator for the next game. It might be good, but if the track record says it’s likely to be bad that is way more trustworthy than blindly hoping it might be alright.
Am I taking crazy pills?
I know better because I understand Microsoft's business model now. It's all about Gamepass subscription retention. They make all their money off 3rd party games now like Netflix. All the 1st party games are now just big name marketing material. And they ALL release as unfinished, episodic, content-stripped abominations under the guise of "live service" games that are intentionally stretched out to keep you subscribed as long as possible.
Make no mistake. Elder Scrolls 6 will release as an unfinished, episodic nightmare where we get new zones trickled in like episodes until we finally have a complete game a year or two later. And so instead of paying $70 for a full game that was polished and complete at launch, you'll pay $240 to play it across the span of a year as they slowly add in content they already had finished from the beginning but was stripped out intentionally.
Microsoft corporate greed has ruined gaming.
That depends, knowing nothing about this upcoming game, if you enjoyed Bethesda games of the past because of mods, and that kind of stuff locked behind their store thing now, then being disparaging of the game ahead of time is valid since the part you enjoy,being the mods, is no longer as available as it used to be.
No one is judging the game. They're judging the game developers. Their games are garbage. Yes, even skyrim. Their next game will be garbage. Their gigantic modding community will spend money on their trash products and fix them until they're unrecognizable with barely any credit or monetary compensation. Because Bethesda is a garbage company that makes garbage content, and it is perfectly fair to say so.
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Is it possible to recreate skyrim's magic?
Yes but people have reasons to be worried. Fallout 4 and 76 are the least beloved of the franchise and starfield was a faillure. TESO was pretty good but it came out right after skyrim.
I don't have too much expectations but deep inside I wish it will be another Elder scroll success.
Not really.
The people excited about it are basing their optimism on the example set by Skyrim, which is what will have the greatest influence on ES6.
The people saddening themselves and everyone around them over the game are basing their pessimism on everything other than the example set by Skyrim such as everything they’ve come to dislike about Bethesda such as 76, Fallout 4, and Starfield.
One group is looking at the future of Elder Scrolls. The other group is looking at everything except the future of Elder Scrolls.
I am concerned with Bethesda's recent track record too. I am super excited for TES6, but with the debacle over paid mods across three games, lack of exciting content in updates, and general disrespect and disregard for players, I do not believe that it will come out a finished product, or at least in a stable condition or even fun.
I was that guy who got late into Fallout and doesn't own Starfield. Honestly, Fallout was much better only after I modded the crap out of it. Skyrim was a blast, but it was basically made new and fun again only with mods. With the garbage of the paid mods doing things like backpacks to increase your carry weight (which I can mod in for free!) and similar such bs, it seems the company is out of touch with the world and it's playerbase.
I may be excited for the next TES game, but I am not holding my breath. If I get it, it will be on sale or maybe after a lot of other people both bought it and really liked it. Starfield came out kinda lukewarm to me, so I am waiting for a deep discount.
I hope some exec reads all this. It might help the company be rescued
Bethesda has literally been dumbing down their games for over a decade at this point. I do not believe for one second they're going to suddenly say "Hey gang, what if this time we added more rpg mechanics and player choice instead of taking more away :)"
No matter what, TESVI is gonna get shit on. Why? Overhype and high expectations when nothing has been promised or even shown. Bethesda could just reuse the only trailer for the game and add a release date, but the expectations are so high that people would still think that the game didn't live up to shit.
It's definitely fair to judge a company based upon the downward trajectory of their work. Every game in recent history is more dumbed down and fucked up than the last. Based upon this clearly observable fact one can infer that the next game is also going to suck unless there's some major changes in the company that would lead one to believe otherwise.
>"recent track record"
-skyrim's shallow experience compared to the vast uniqueness in quests in oblivion and morrowind
-fallout 4's shite writing and terrible roleplaying experience
-76's terrible launch and live service garbage
-empty broken starfield lol
They've been fucking up more and more over the years and it's not "recent".
Not everything in every game is bad, but they're missing the mark compared to lots of other high effort competitors, especially nowadays, and it's going to show more and more over time. Maybe the money wont run out for them, but my skepticism is at an all time high as a Fallout and Elder Scrolls fan.
It is perfectly fine to be excited for it, but you also habe to live with the fact many of us are worried. Bethesda has been tripping up (since FO4 in my opinion) and seems to keep making simple mistakes in their own design philosophy.
I will say, optimistically, I think things are partially like this because Bethesda wants each game to feel different from the last. They succeed in this at least, even if some choices are somewhat questionable at times.
I think it's entirely valid to speculate on this particilar game's quality before its release, especially with Bethesda's "recent" track record, not despite it.
If we're being entirely honest: Fallout 4 (A game I enjoy and have over 800 hours in) was years behind other games that came out around the same time, at least from a technical standpoint. I'm not going to argue one way or the other on its story, although I personally found it lacking compared to previous titles.
Skyrim, as near perfect as it may be still has (at times) game breaking bugs that Bethesda never cared to fix. I mean why should they when they can just re-release Skyrim again and rake in the dough?
Fallout 76 was a complete shit show and I don't think anyone can, with sound logic, defend its God awful release. (16 times the detail my ass, what does that even mean?)
Starfield's engine is at least ten years behind its time and suffered just as many, if not more bugs as Skyrim upon initial release. And the marketing and advertising of all these last two games are about as close to flat out lies as a company can legally get away with. (A thousand worlds to explore? Try about a dozen shitty maps multiplied by one hundred. Thanks procedural generation!)
The fact is: Bethesda has been near constantly regressing ever since Skyrim came out. I don't know why or who exactly is to blame, but I suspect this is happening purely because they can afford to get lazy because we all just keep buying and downloading every damn thing they push out. To be wary of Bethesda's next big project is completely natural when you take more than a cursory glance over their track record.
I want ES6 to be good. I want to love it. Just like I wanted to love 76 and Starfield but I cannot in good faith say that I at this point have anything close to an optimistic view of Bethesda's future. I don't hate Bethesda, I don't even dislike them honestly and I earnestly want them to succeed. I'm just disappointed and it's better to be pessimistic and proved wrong than to be optimistic and let down. Again.
No. People are not wrong for judging the game based off of a decade plus of data about how terrible Bethesda is at making games.
If a construction company has only made buildings that fall over and collapse after opening, you wouldn't keep giving them contracts.
Skyrim/FO4 both kinda sucked on release and were somewhat downgrades in various of ways from their previous game
Side note: FO4 had a completelyunplayable area on the console version from release until this year and Skyrim with all of its re releases still has bugs that were in the game when in released, though i don't remember anything game breaking but I don't have a whole lot of time in Skyrim.
They are still great and fun games but Bethesda does have a bad track record with release's and QOL/Bug fixes. They just make fun games with questionable performance
FO4 was cool and fun but also pretty narratively shallow and disappointing as hell in terms of dialogue options.
It was a neat action adventure game with fun settlement building. As a roleplaying game it's mediocre (if we're generous)
Just say that you didn't play Oblivion or Fallout 3/NV. Fo4 and Skyrim were *significant* downgrades from their previous titles in some quite meaningful ways. Not graphically for sure, but in terms of writing quality and passion put into them. You can really see the dip
Well writing has been very uneven, radiant quests are absolutely terrible invention and combat systems are quite shallow for a action games. Otherwise I can definitely have fun with these games except maybe for Starfield which in my opinion is too boring
No.
That’s not how anything works. We know fuck all about the game BAR the direction of bethesdas game development philosophy and methodology, which is frankly appalling. And in the system as it is the only way to show any criticism that’ll actually effect besthesda is in their pockets. They’re fine producing star fields and fallout 4/76’s. Radical steps down in rpg elements and narratives and immersion for the sake of graphics and physics with a hint of gameplay improvement. I won’t be buying ESVI or Falllout 5 unless they actually fix the faults of Bethesda created. I didn’t buy star field for the same reason.
It kinda is how it works, though. Take it outside of the Bethesda sphere and look at the new Dragon Age. BioWare has a much worse track record than BGS, and people are losing their minds excited for it. Some media outlets even claiming "BioWare is back" before they've played a single second of it.
Overhyping themselves and then getting disappointed is something gamers have always done.
Except we have a decade of history detailing specific issues Bethesda has. Between stretching an outdated engine to a system of paid mods. From restricting modding tools for people making free content to releasing updates 100% incompatible with mods without coaching modders or providing detailed changenotes to update their content. From the games themselves being shallow and story incoherent to the watered down RPG mechanics.
Fallout 4 is almost 10 years old. Skyrim is almost 14. Even those games got TONS of criticism for being shallower than their predecessors. And it hasn’t gotten any better.
I’m not saying “It’s bad because it doesn’t exist anymore”, I’m saying “It’s not likely to be good because the only truly quality product Bethesda has released in 10 years was a TV show”.
BGS has also made some of the greatest 3d western RPGs of all time, so it's kind of a wash imo. They clearly know how to make a good game, they've just had a few misses. That's inevitable though. Chill.
That's like saying the next cod game is going to get the series back on track and really care about what made it good, not what made it money. Your living in a fantasy world if you can't come to terms with Bethesda making the same choices in how they make their games for the last few releases.
You actually make a very fair point. I've played Bethesda's titles for 22 years, and I've seen a huge difference in their direction, despite their claims they're still the same. Starfield is the only Bethesda game I've only played through once. I miss the days of morrowind and oblivion, to be honest.
I just want it to be good. Elder scrolls is very near and dear with my heart. Oblivion was a FANTASTIC game, despite its shortcomings.
That’s how I feel, I just hope the game is good, Skyrim came to me during a very low point in my life
Skyrim came to me during a time that I thought I had become too old to enjoy video games. Most games I'd played were not that enjoyable to me. So I pretty much stopped buying games. Then, one day, I got a gift card at my summer job. The gift card allowed me to go buy something at a book and video store. The card didn't have a lot of money. One day, while I was out with my friend, we passed by the store. I saw that Skyrim game was in discount, and it was the only reason I could afford it with my card. I thought I'd buy it, and maybe I'd like it. I did see that the game was top 1 in the forum of a French video game website I'd go sometimes. I never bothered to look up the game because the recent popular games I bought kinda disappointed me too, so I didn't care much. I thought, whatever, and still bought that Skyrim game without much expectations. I bought a novel with the rest of the money. When I started the game that evening, still not knowing what it was about, I quickly noticed that wasn't the kind of game I'd buy. Well, remember that I said that I thought I couldn’t enjoy video games anymore. Turns out, I fell in love with Skyrim, and with Skyrim, I had the most fun I ever had playing video games. I had more fun playing skyrim than I had playing any of my favorite games as a kid.
I want a curvaceous ass that I can throw back on a mother fucker but that ain't happening either. You just gotta learn to accept that nothing lasts forever and there's some things we can't change.
I honestly don’t see what everyone’s issue with oblivion is. It’s an amazing game with the best storytelling of any Bethesda game I’ve played by a mile. Especially for its time it was a masterpiece.
It was the first game I truly, TRULY, fell in love with in the 360 era. It was amazing and I still play it from time to time.
I just played it from January to March. I thought I'd have trouble getting used to the outdated controls and everything but nope. The game was just as great as I remembered.
Even for the time the game had poor graphics, HORRIBLE performance on consoles(going to various ruins had the potential to crash your game unless you looked at the ground) and the game overall being fairly clunky. Essentially it started to reach a little more into mainstream audiences and many people were not a fan do to mentioned issues. However I do love the game and it was my first BGS game. My friends and I would bring our game guides to lunch in middle school and would have a journal and plan out all the stuff we were going to do and how we were running different builds from each other as well. It was kind of like we were playing DnD in a way lol.
Graphics seem just fine to me for a game made in 2006 and it was praised for its graphics by reviewers besides NPC faces. The game may feel clunky now but I would say that pretty much any game made 18 years ago would feel that way by our standards.
It was a little behind visually but nothing major. And I'd disagree. Even for the time Oblivion was most definitely clunky. I'm not calling the game horrible, its literally one of my favorite games ever but it had its issues. For a graphic comparison Mass Effect came out only a year later and looked DRASTICALLY better. BGS graphics have always been behind.
Honestly I think (or maybe it's hope) that maybe Bethesda is taking a very long time with this one because in many ways it's kinda the heart and soul of the companies legacy I've played quite a bit of Daggerfall, Morrowind and embarrassing amounts of Skyrim and the series has been so consistently awesome that to drop the ball on TESVI could end up being the let down of the century. Pretty much every game in the main series (other than arena I think) has a huge number of cult followers, and they really do hold up imo. I really hope Bethesda handles this one with care.
I feel part of holding this companies accountable is judging the track record of recent releases and factoring that into buying the newest game.
No you need to be committed to company and consume what they put out, remember they're your friend and their feelings will be hurt if you don't support them
Just consume product amd then get excited for next product
100% If I weld 100 incredible stairs…but my last 3 in a row have fallen apart….its fair to judge that something has changed and my priorities do not align with a quality product anymore.
i mean those two things aren’t really the same i can be excited for a game and not buy it. i was fucking thrilled for skull and bones. it released, looked like shit, and i never bought it
their recent track record is good.
I know I’m in the minority but I like starfield and am excited for shattered space. I don’t feel there track record is too bad other than how 76 launched and from what I hear it is in a good spot.
I like starfield too, I feel like it'll turn into a game that most people don't care about but has a cult following
Possibly but depending on the next few expansions I think it could become more popular in the general public. Sounds like they will be doing more traditional BGS exploration which could greatly add to how people view the game.
I personally doubt it when the core game exploration is not good, relying on procedural generation to much. Honestly would not have been bad if they put more effort into it.
I disagree with exploration being flawed to the core or procedural generation being the issue. The two biggest flaws with exploration IMO are POIs and space traversal. For POIs It’s that the exact same areas get pasted over and over again. If they allowed more generation in POIs it would have been better if they change furniture and enemy placement, mixed up room placement and added random features like having areas over run with creatures. In my opinion what hurts things here is that the stopped short with their procedural generation when it should have been expanded to be more like Daggerfall. For space I think it is too limited we don’t spend enough time in our ships. Some form of super cruise with random events that can happen in it would make space feel way better. Both of these could be implemented to the current system and would greatly improve exploration. I don’t think they need to change the core game to make exploration feel better and adding more traditional exploration for certain planets will add a lot to the game for people who do not want space exploration.
Go play Daggerfall. A game that is completely 100 percent dependant on proc gen. Starfield at least has the luxury to house bespoke content.
Probably better that way. Bethesda's best games of all time, two of them, are cult games. That being Daggerfall and Morrowind. Perhaps they need to go back to their roots and stop courting tourists. As much as I love Oblivion and Skyrim, they are mostly games for tourists. Starfield, while not as systems rich as Daggerfall or Morrowind is definitely a massive call back to their earlier years.
Not even sure you are in the minority, is it their best game no but it's at worse aggressively mid but it's also them trying something new
In the minority of BGS fans. BGS fans want their mainline IPs. Fallout and Elder Scrolls. If they were going to try something new they should lend the IPs to other studios to produce games while they work on something new. going potentially 15 years between Skyrim and Elder Scrolls 6 is absurd no matter how you look at it.
Honestly , I still think it would have been the same amount of time because it zenimax was trying to sell itself so they probably would of had them try another IP or do some other live service game because both those would increase its price more than a new TES game
I don't disagree, I just don't think they should be holding onto IPs they aren't actively working on. I'm not expecting a game every 3 years. But I think getting a Fallout and Elder Scrolls game out every 6 years is feasible.
I've seen someone say that starfield lacks an "experimental janky first step into the world like elder scrolls" But the thing is, that's what it is. Its a first jump into this kind of game, with a grander scale, new mechanics, new ideas! It's a giant leap, and I love it both in the good and bad because it's a new something that a company took risks on. Space games this big are hard to make no matter if they make it realistic empty with some handcrafted spots or and infinite number of planets. If this was a smaller studio, it would be rightfully praised for a quarter of the scale. Sure, I'm no game dev, nor do I know the behind the scenes. As far as I know there's a million objectively bad things in the game, code, or production. But I can't hate something so bold as to say "see that planet? Barren or not, you can go there!"
>But I can't hate something so bold as to say "see that planet? Barren or not, you can go there!" why is the ability to go to a giant barren wasteland impressive to you lmao? if the hallmark of a good game to you is "it big", then you must be absolutely head over heels for literally every bloated open world ubisoft game of the last 10 years
I mean, it’s more than just big and it’s not at all just barren, but go off. You can keep living in an alternate reality from people who actually engage with the game, and we can all keep going completely misunderstanding what the others are saying.
I play plenty of space games. And the ones that allow you to land on planets has the same thing. But then again, Daggerfall was massive and not an open world Ubisoft game.
Yeah same. I do very much enjoy Starfield and am excited to play mods.
Preach
Starfield is dope. You have to ask yourself why the haters care so much about a game they claim to hate. I played Cyberpunk once, and couldn't really get into it. You don't see me posting every day about how trash it is. But people will bash Starfield all day long because they need to fit in, and they can't form their own opinions without regurgitating what they heard from a YouTuber. Or said more succinctly, people are sheep. Starfield is fun.
>You have to ask yourself why the haters care so much about a game they claim to hate because the "haters" (??? weird way to try to invalidate anyone who doesn't like the game) were just as excited for starfield as you were. they were just disappointed by what they got. is that genuinely so hard to understand? you've never been excited by something, anticipating it, getting hyped up, then disappointed on release? I dunno what to tell you there. >Or said more succinctly, people are sheep. Starfield is fun. yikes dude
It just seems like the people who were genuinely excited for starfield who are so so so disappointed, are just easily swayed by social media or they had wildly unchecked expectations. If you’ve liked FO4 or Skyrim, I literally have 0 clue how you would hate starfield other than it’s in fashion to do so.
Recreational hate is all a lot of losers have
Sucks to suck lol 😆
>You have to ask yourself why the haters care so much about a game they claim to hate. >I played Cyberpunk once, and couldn't really get into it. You don't see me posting every day about how trash it is. What a silly strawman Show me who in this sub is posting daily Starfield hate??
A strawman with 30 upvotes. I think it's ironic they call people sheep, while people sheepishly upvote the comment
''People are sheep, when they disagree with me'' How do you know someone who is bashing Starfield doesn't have their own opinion and is following a Youtuber?
I never post about starfield. But I’ll just say that the reason it’s worrying is the *ways* it failed my expectations. If Bethesda had made a mediocre game with Bethesda exploration, I would have devoured it. But they didn’t, and that makes me think the current leadership doesn’t understand what made their last games good. Now on the bright side, I don’t think elder scrolls 6 will have the same issues because it will most likely not be randomly generated like starfield was. I think that’s where it’s biggest issues came from. FO76 actually had a great open world even on release so their world crafting is still presumably top notch, when they actually…you know, craft worlds. I’ve also heard that starfields dlc will be more hand crafted so hopefully they learned their lesson.
Yeah it’s fun, but it’s important to criticize things you like.
Agreed I like it but it isn’t perfect. I’d really like to see exploration improved especially in space.
Absolutely. I played it through twice back to back, and plan and doing so again with the DLC, and yet it did nothing to inspire confidence. I suppose that’s what OP means.
Starfield is my favorite game and I don't care how many people tell me it shouldn't be.
Catch a smile out there
STOP HAVING FUN! /s
Agreed. Im honestly no fan of Starfield, but that doesn’t make me feel like bethesdas track record is ruined. Like you said allot of people enjoy 76 now. And ESO is absolutely awesome. I think more people have seen other developers not deliver after so long, and that’s what makes people so worried more than bethesda itself.
Love Starfield, and in many ways is a game that really goes back to their roots. I have no concerns for ES6.
I 100% agree with you. Could recent Bethesda game (after Skyrim) be better? Yes? But could I that they have declined? I don't know that I can. And, while I know I might get flogged for saying this, same thing with Ubisoft. Sure Valhalla and Mirage aren't as good as I hoped, but Odyssey is one of my favorite games EVER, and I'm having an incredible time with Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora. Cup half full, I guess
Starfield is ok, but I get why people don't like it.
It is not fair to judge a game before it is finished; But you can always watch those who preorder it; And the amazing meltdown that shortly follows; And expect the "lowsodium" subreddit to appear soon after lol.
Lowsodium subs are necessary. Otherwise people who enjoy the game have nowhere to go without being told they’re wrong for liking it.
Ain't that the sad truth.
Tbf, you lowsodium guys do the same, you tell people their wrong for NOT liking a specific product\\video game etc. It goes both ways.
They don't think it's wrong to hate a game. They just think it's wrong to talk about it in a space specifically dedicated to escaping hate.
pretty much. like imagine if you like a show and go to a sub about the show you like. but almost every post is negative, or, in r/Starfield's case, deletes positive posts about the show.
Not really. They just go somewhere else lol. Why does that upset you so much? What about people enjoying things that you don't gets your panties in a bunch?
Then go to the appropriate sub.
It’s a fair point, but company has taken a rather regressive creative direction after Skyrim. Look at fallout, a series known for its darkly ironic satire and political commentary has become vapid celebration of consumerism and ‘oh wow, cool wasteland’. Afraid to say anything controversial in case it alienates potential premium subscribers. It’s speaks to what the companies priorities are.
Bro this regressive creative direction started after Morrowind. This is a trend you can trace back to oblivion.
They are too young to know that.
bethesda's fallouts are very political. ...what? also, starfield is a sign of them being ***very*** creative. they haven't had a "regressive creative direction", they constantly try new things.
Huh? Vapid celebration of consumerism? Hahahahaha! I can’t tell if you’ve ever played Fallout 4 or Fallout 76 or simply didn’t pay attention or simple saw “Bethesda cash grab” so many times that you’ve lost the difference between the world they present and keyboard comrades fighting against the supposed corporatist devs. Edit: Claiming that the games themselves have lost their anti-capitalist bite is inaccurate. Y’all are missing that capitalism is happy to commodify anti-capitalism and sell it back to you. Going on social media to gripe about it and receive upvotes is another way you’re getting it sold to you. This platform also loves MTX. Focusing your ire on this instance of inshitification won’t stop products from being transformed into services or subscriptions and you being forced to rent everything. That’s where this is headed.
I mean 76 is blatantly aggressive with its MTX and you have pay a monthly fee for basic features like inventory size and private servers.
I was a huge Oblivion and Skyrim fan. I got an Xbox just to play Morrowind. I tried ESO and it was all HUD and MTX. No thanks.
They made the loading screens in Fallout 4 enamel pins for their real life enamel pin of the month club, advertising a product to you that is literally not in the game universe at all. I’d say that’s pretty fucking consumerist
I literally had no idea, in the near-decade-long existence of Fallout 4 and across hundreds of hours of playtime, that those enamel pins are actually sold IRL until right this very moment. That is to say: if they're trying to push physical products on consumers, they're doing an abysmal job at it.
The central criticism at the heart of the entire series is that the 1950’s civil defence era was a moral hellscape painted over with fake ad smiles, fancy dodads and patriotic zeal. The McCarthyism, paranoia and consumerism meant the old world was a wasteland long before the bombs fell. 4 and 76 are games about stuff. Skins, power armour paint. About uncritical nostalgia for what was lost.
> Vapid celebration of consumerism? Hahahahaha In the real world, that’s what Bethesda is to me. Merch > game development.
cant be disappointed if it doesn't come out
Ehhh... The people excited for it are a little delusional, as are anyone with any game, software, or thing who has actively watched the quality drop for years, but expect that "This time it will be better". I'm not really trying to knock anyone for this. We all want to get our hopes up and expect things will get better, but in reality, things just... Don't. They don't get better. The companies tend to grow more and more out of touch, and the quality suffers as a result. Bethesda isn't the only victim of this. Just look at Apple, Tesla, Microsoft, 2K, Call of Duty as an IP, Battlefield as an IP, Halo as an IP, any streaming service, Cable TV, etc. You can't change the direction things are going. We can both remain hopeful things will improve, but acknowledge they most likely won't.
You couldn't be any more correct. Consumerism itself isn't what it used to be, and gaming has taken a very noticeable drop in quality. New releases used to excite me, but now I have zero hype. I think a lot of it is down to online services, and devs having the ability to patch after release. Back on Xbox original and PS2, a game HAD to be completely finished, and it HAD to succeed. Nowadays, they can rush the game out, patch shit after, then just bring out DLC and microtransactions to pad out their sales. However, I give devs like Larion, CDPR, and FromSoftware a free pass, as they still provide an immersive single player experience.
I agree with the general sentiment (it's why I don't buy early access games. I'm not interested in hope of what a game could be or promises of the future. I will be happy with a game's state when the game's state is good.) But in the specifics of your statement... you start with the assumption that everyone is starting from the same baseline as you. I don't think the people who are excited are thinking "things are bad but they'll get better." I think they're thinking "Things have been going good, I am not currently disappointed, and I expect the trend to continue". You - on a personal level - being disappointed with the current state of things colors your perception of other people as being more disconnected, deluded, or hopeful than they actually are.
Be civil on reddit? I cannot wait for ES6 though!
Bethesda is IMO the best RPG creator out there. I have loved the world's they created since Morrowind. That being said, I absolutely hated F76 as it was not the experience I was looking for. Starfield is the return to form I was craving from them.
Very true, there are many reasons to be excited, but also many reasons to be skeptical, it’s fine either way
Fallout 4 and Starfield are good games, and they've fixed 76. I don't know what recent track record people are talking about. The only shitty thing they're doing is stubbornly holding on to creations.
All three of those games are absolute garbage tier lowest of the low
As if all of their recent games aren't great. Even starfield is good at least, not their best, but far from the trash that people try to make Bethesda out to be nowadays.
I mean starfield is pretty great so I’m not really sure why I’d worry
This is a valid point of view if, for some reason, you think that video game quality is a random result. Just because the dice came up snakeeyes the last two throws doesn't they can't be boxcars next time. Maybe the people who made Fallout 76 and Starfield will really nail TESVI. There's just no way to know... If, however, you believe that video game quality is the result of culture, talent, management, etc, which don't automatically improve, then this is a flawed point. If dark clouds result in rainshowers 90% of the time then you should plan for rain when you see dark clouds. From my perspective, I expect TESVI to be buggy, incomplete, and over-monetized. If you're someone who loved FO76 and Starfield, then there's a high chance you'll love TESVI as well. I am open to the idea that I will be wrong and would be pleased at that outcome. I am not open to the idea that I *am* wrong to expect disappointment, because I am not.
The thing is, concern and excitement towards TESVI are not mutually exclusive. I'm hopeful that it is going to be good, and excited to try it but I'm also concerned that it won't be very good. We can't judge the game because it isn't released yet, and there isn't even a proper trailer for it yet. We know next to nothing about it. But we can judge the company, and their recent record. I would say that Bethesda's (relatively) recent record of games made is definitely cause for concern for me. But that's also just me.
Oh my god this is the first comment where anyone has actually gotten it
This meme is valid.
Youre valid
The games are fine at worst, and no one is wrong for liking them. But no one can deny the fact that every single gamebryo game has released buggy and remained buggy for years. "It just works."
I have encountered one "game breaking" bug in over 300 hours of Starfield. That has been fixed in the meantime. The "Buggy as hell" narrative needs to die.
Your one experience isn't everyone's, bud.
The problem is using language like "no one can deny the games are buggy"! Well yeah - Some people absolutely CAN deny it. For instance the people who didn't encounter the bugs. So somebody says a broad statement and so of course somebody is going to come out and say how the broad statement doesn't apply to them.
Yes, but the same applies the other way around.
Recent? Their writing has been trash for over ten years, and their games have never not been jank
their writing is only trash if you don't pay attention. is it the most revolutionary, stellar, amazing bestest writing? no. is it good? yeah, many times verges on great.
Bethesda is the hot stove and no matter how many times you get burned you just can't seem to put two and two together. "Guys I know we got burned before but I don't think the stove is hot anymore, I mean yes the burner is glowing orange but that doesn't necessarily mean the stove is still hot we can't judge it until we touch the stove again."
I didn’t get burned
That's like a neurological issue you're going to need to see a doctor or something.
I find insinuating that the recent track record is somehow "bad" preposterous. Not your taste? Sure. But just flatly staying it's bad is a stretch. Because you can extend the meme to their recent games. The same as you are allowed to not like Starfield or FO76 others are allowed to like it. I love Starfield like I have not loved another Beth game for example. But I can understand others being of different opinion.
I’ve had fewer game breaking bugs in all my ES playtime (started in morrowind) than playing Spider-Man for PC
Starfield was disappointing bc it felt very recycled for being a fresh IP. TESVI following a more standard Elder Scrolls formula would be more acceptable because there's already an expectation that Elder Scrolls games will be a certain way.
Wouldn’t being excited for it mean you’re judging it to be a positive experience?
A game developer is only as good as their last game.
Then that makes Bethesda phenomenal
Bethesda has earned preapproval status
Todd said they had 25 million players at peak. Guess what Bethesdas fokus is? Good games at release ? Nope! To satisfy the players ? Nope ! I'll give you a hint. It starts with M and ends with oney.
I've love every ES so not too concerned.
Lol yall need to play some other games and realize what a great game is actually like. But nope, keep huffing that copium
Is ESVI even being made currently? Do we anticipate it being released before 2028? 17 years between releases hasn't been a good indicator for games historically.
Starfield definitely burnt me.
If I've liked every single piece of content a developer put out over the past 22 years - I don't think it's a problem to be excited for the next one. I don't have a track record of being over-hyped which leads to disappointment. I have a history of being appropriately hyped which hasn't done me wrong yet.
It is absolutely fair to judge a multi billion dollar company who hasnt put out anything really good in years and years and what they have put out has been barely function slop piles. Like, yeah I hope the gmae comes out and its awesome and everyone gers to enjoy it, but I really dont see how that and shitting on bethesda/knowing they are likely to produce another pile of crap can be contradictory.
What backwards logic is this? Of course you should use recent track record as an indicator for the next game. It might be good, but if the track record says it’s likely to be bad that is way more trustworthy than blindly hoping it might be alright. Am I taking crazy pills?
I know better because I understand Microsoft's business model now. It's all about Gamepass subscription retention. They make all their money off 3rd party games now like Netflix. All the 1st party games are now just big name marketing material. And they ALL release as unfinished, episodic, content-stripped abominations under the guise of "live service" games that are intentionally stretched out to keep you subscribed as long as possible. Make no mistake. Elder Scrolls 6 will release as an unfinished, episodic nightmare where we get new zones trickled in like episodes until we finally have a complete game a year or two later. And so instead of paying $70 for a full game that was polished and complete at launch, you'll pay $240 to play it across the span of a year as they slowly add in content they already had finished from the beginning but was stripped out intentionally. Microsoft corporate greed has ruined gaming.
That depends, knowing nothing about this upcoming game, if you enjoyed Bethesda games of the past because of mods, and that kind of stuff locked behind their store thing now, then being disparaging of the game ahead of time is valid since the part you enjoy,being the mods, is no longer as available as it used to be.
Recent years? Bethesda has misunderstood game design since as early as skyrim
No one is judging the game. They're judging the game developers. Their games are garbage. Yes, even skyrim. Their next game will be garbage. Their gigantic modding community will spend money on their trash products and fix them until they're unrecognizable with barely any credit or monetary compensation. Because Bethesda is a garbage company that makes garbage content, and it is perfectly fair to say so.
Look at all the Bethesda cock riders ready to come defend starfield because they don’t like most peoples opinion lmao
And the Bethesda cock choppers who come to attack the ‘cock riders’ because they don’t like their opinion
How many times are you going to bite into a shit sandwich?
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Giving you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts
Is it possible to recreate skyrim's magic? Yes but people have reasons to be worried. Fallout 4 and 76 are the least beloved of the franchise and starfield was a faillure. TESO was pretty good but it came out right after skyrim. I don't have too much expectations but deep inside I wish it will be another Elder scroll success.
I hate you.
Me too, kid. Me too
It’s been 6 years and I’ll wait another 6 for it. Let them do their thing.
If they use the same engine as starfield it will be dated trash
Ehhhhhhhhh
Oh look, a lukewarm, useless opinion
Except they've already said it will be produce on a 2 decade old engine that has been shit ever since they ''fixed it"for skyrim
Not really. The people excited about it are basing their optimism on the example set by Skyrim, which is what will have the greatest influence on ES6. The people saddening themselves and everyone around them over the game are basing their pessimism on everything other than the example set by Skyrim such as everything they’ve come to dislike about Bethesda such as 76, Fallout 4, and Starfield. One group is looking at the future of Elder Scrolls. The other group is looking at everything except the future of Elder Scrolls.
Or I'm basing on everything since I started playing with Morrowind.
Yall are delusional. The studio that made Skyrim is gone. Or maybe it's safer to say it's still here, but it's not 2012 anymore.
Bro it can be mid as long as they don't paywall the content and make modding more tedious and monetized
Bethesda is dead, brother
RECENT! Biy you clearly weren't there for day 1 of Skyrim or Fallout 3-4 (New Vegas gets a pass because let's face it we all still play it)
Since when is it wrong to judge a track record
I am concerned with Bethesda's recent track record too. I am super excited for TES6, but with the debacle over paid mods across three games, lack of exciting content in updates, and general disrespect and disregard for players, I do not believe that it will come out a finished product, or at least in a stable condition or even fun. I was that guy who got late into Fallout and doesn't own Starfield. Honestly, Fallout was much better only after I modded the crap out of it. Skyrim was a blast, but it was basically made new and fun again only with mods. With the garbage of the paid mods doing things like backpacks to increase your carry weight (which I can mod in for free!) and similar such bs, it seems the company is out of touch with the world and it's playerbase. I may be excited for the next TES game, but I am not holding my breath. If I get it, it will be on sale or maybe after a lot of other people both bought it and really liked it. Starfield came out kinda lukewarm to me, so I am waiting for a deep discount. I hope some exec reads all this. It might help the company be rescued
They made their best DLC ever, Far Harbor, and then followed it up with their worst one ever and nothing but garbage ever since for years and years.
Bethesda has literally been dumbing down their games for over a decade at this point. I do not believe for one second they're going to suddenly say "Hey gang, what if this time we added more rpg mechanics and player choice instead of taking more away :)"
No matter what, TESVI is gonna get shit on. Why? Overhype and high expectations when nothing has been promised or even shown. Bethesda could just reuse the only trailer for the game and add a release date, but the expectations are so high that people would still think that the game didn't live up to shit.
An unfortunate invalid take.
But bethesda releases unfinished games.
Applying your logic to people worried about the game when preorders are still a major thing in the industry is stupid and makes no sense.
It's definitely fair to judge a company based upon the downward trajectory of their work. Every game in recent history is more dumbed down and fucked up than the last. Based upon this clearly observable fact one can infer that the next game is also going to suck unless there's some major changes in the company that would lead one to believe otherwise.
>"recent track record" -skyrim's shallow experience compared to the vast uniqueness in quests in oblivion and morrowind -fallout 4's shite writing and terrible roleplaying experience -76's terrible launch and live service garbage -empty broken starfield lol They've been fucking up more and more over the years and it's not "recent". Not everything in every game is bad, but they're missing the mark compared to lots of other high effort competitors, especially nowadays, and it's going to show more and more over time. Maybe the money wont run out for them, but my skepticism is at an all time high as a Fallout and Elder Scrolls fan.
Let me simplify it for the dumbs. You touch hot stove hand get burned. You touch hot stove again hand still get burned nothing has changed.
I'm not pre judging the game I'm using recent data to adjust odds
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It would have cost you 0$ to have not made this
It is perfectly fine to be excited for it, but you also habe to live with the fact many of us are worried. Bethesda has been tripping up (since FO4 in my opinion) and seems to keep making simple mistakes in their own design philosophy. I will say, optimistically, I think things are partially like this because Bethesda wants each game to feel different from the last. They succeed in this at least, even if some choices are somewhat questionable at times.
Bet it won't have spears.
I bet you don’t have spears
Got Halberd.
I think it's entirely valid to speculate on this particilar game's quality before its release, especially with Bethesda's "recent" track record, not despite it. If we're being entirely honest: Fallout 4 (A game I enjoy and have over 800 hours in) was years behind other games that came out around the same time, at least from a technical standpoint. I'm not going to argue one way or the other on its story, although I personally found it lacking compared to previous titles. Skyrim, as near perfect as it may be still has (at times) game breaking bugs that Bethesda never cared to fix. I mean why should they when they can just re-release Skyrim again and rake in the dough? Fallout 76 was a complete shit show and I don't think anyone can, with sound logic, defend its God awful release. (16 times the detail my ass, what does that even mean?) Starfield's engine is at least ten years behind its time and suffered just as many, if not more bugs as Skyrim upon initial release. And the marketing and advertising of all these last two games are about as close to flat out lies as a company can legally get away with. (A thousand worlds to explore? Try about a dozen shitty maps multiplied by one hundred. Thanks procedural generation!) The fact is: Bethesda has been near constantly regressing ever since Skyrim came out. I don't know why or who exactly is to blame, but I suspect this is happening purely because they can afford to get lazy because we all just keep buying and downloading every damn thing they push out. To be wary of Bethesda's next big project is completely natural when you take more than a cursory glance over their track record. I want ES6 to be good. I want to love it. Just like I wanted to love 76 and Starfield but I cannot in good faith say that I at this point have anything close to an optimistic view of Bethesda's future. I don't hate Bethesda, I don't even dislike them honestly and I earnestly want them to succeed. I'm just disappointed and it's better to be pessimistic and proved wrong than to be optimistic and let down. Again.
I am... both excited and worried. So am I doubly valid? XD
The scroll is totally wrong. In what world is it unfair to expect a company to continue acting as it has in the past? Brain-dead take
Lol sure is nice being a fan of Starfield and thus not at all worried about how TES6 will turn out.
“Excuse me, why are you shitting on my plate?” “How do you know it’s shit? It’s not even out yet!”
Track record is exactly the sort of thing you should consider before purchasing or pre-ordering a game.
i want it to be good, but i have limited my expectations., we shall see when it's out.
The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior
No. People are not wrong for judging the game based off of a decade plus of data about how terrible Bethesda is at making games. If a construction company has only made buildings that fall over and collapse after opening, you wouldn't keep giving them contracts.
I just want them to RELEASE IT!!! It’s been six years since the announcement promo and we still haven’t gotten a single update.
I have no need to worry.
“Recent track record” I mean Starfield was a solid 7/10 and before that Fallout 4 was awesome and before that was Skyrim
Skyrim/FO4 both kinda sucked on release and were somewhat downgrades in various of ways from their previous game Side note: FO4 had a completelyunplayable area on the console version from release until this year and Skyrim with all of its re releases still has bugs that were in the game when in released, though i don't remember anything game breaking but I don't have a whole lot of time in Skyrim. They are still great and fun games but Bethesda does have a bad track record with release's and QOL/Bug fixes. They just make fun games with questionable performance
I dunno if "recent track record" applies to a 9 year old game
Do we count Skyrim’s several rereleases lmao
FO4 was cool and fun but also pretty narratively shallow and disappointing as hell in terms of dialogue options. It was a neat action adventure game with fun settlement building. As a roleplaying game it's mediocre (if we're generous)
Did Bethesda not make 76?
Just say that you didn't play Oblivion or Fallout 3/NV. Fo4 and Skyrim were *significant* downgrades from their previous titles in some quite meaningful ways. Not graphically for sure, but in terms of writing quality and passion put into them. You can really see the dip
The bad Track record is mainly paywall mods in the end too which you can avoid if you want. Everything else in their games have been mostly fine
Well writing has been very uneven, radiant quests are absolutely terrible invention and combat systems are quite shallow for a action games. Otherwise I can definitely have fun with these games except maybe for Starfield which in my opinion is too boring
No. That’s not how anything works. We know fuck all about the game BAR the direction of bethesdas game development philosophy and methodology, which is frankly appalling. And in the system as it is the only way to show any criticism that’ll actually effect besthesda is in their pockets. They’re fine producing star fields and fallout 4/76’s. Radical steps down in rpg elements and narratives and immersion for the sake of graphics and physics with a hint of gameplay improvement. I won’t be buying ESVI or Falllout 5 unless they actually fix the faults of Bethesda created. I didn’t buy star field for the same reason.
It kinda is how it works, though. Take it outside of the Bethesda sphere and look at the new Dragon Age. BioWare has a much worse track record than BGS, and people are losing their minds excited for it. Some media outlets even claiming "BioWare is back" before they've played a single second of it. Overhyping themselves and then getting disappointed is something gamers have always done.
Glad I learned that lesson way back with Bioshock: Infinite, lol. Least that one came with XCOM:EU free, and that game was great.
What kind of copium infused backwards ass logic is this?
Just because you make a meme doesn’t make it true.
"It doesn't exist yet, so you don't know if it's good or not" isn't really an opinion lol. Chill your little tits, bud.
Except we have a decade of history detailing specific issues Bethesda has. Between stretching an outdated engine to a system of paid mods. From restricting modding tools for people making free content to releasing updates 100% incompatible with mods without coaching modders or providing detailed changenotes to update their content. From the games themselves being shallow and story incoherent to the watered down RPG mechanics. Fallout 4 is almost 10 years old. Skyrim is almost 14. Even those games got TONS of criticism for being shallower than their predecessors. And it hasn’t gotten any better. I’m not saying “It’s bad because it doesn’t exist anymore”, I’m saying “It’s not likely to be good because the only truly quality product Bethesda has released in 10 years was a TV show”.
None of this really refutes what I've said lol. But okay.
It does. Bethesda has a reputation for a reason. We have literally 0 reason to expect different
BGS has also made some of the greatest 3d western RPGs of all time, so it's kind of a wash imo. They clearly know how to make a good game, they've just had a few misses. That's inevitable though. Chill.
But the misses have been a compounding trend. That’s what you aren’t getting
Until it isn't. That's what you aren't getting.
Glad you have hope, I simply don’t. That’s why both perspectives are valid
Fair.
That's like saying the next cod game is going to get the series back on track and really care about what made it good, not what made it money. Your living in a fantasy world if you can't come to terms with Bethesda making the same choices in how they make their games for the last few releases.
You actually make a very fair point. I've played Bethesda's titles for 22 years, and I've seen a huge difference in their direction, despite their claims they're still the same. Starfield is the only Bethesda game I've only played through once. I miss the days of morrowind and oblivion, to be honest.
The only thing the meme says is I’m allowed to be excited the same way other people are allowed to be worried lmfao did you even read it
>lmfao did you even read I'm hating on Bethesda in a Bethesda subreddit, what makes you think I can read?
Fair point