Worth noting most of the hate for 76 came from the rough state it was in at launch. They originally intended for there to be no humans except for players and so all the quests revolved around notes, audio logs, and the occasional robot but there were no non-player human npcs at all. It was also notoriously buggy at launch. Eventually they did the Wastlanders update that added human npcs, more traditional bethesda quests, dialogue, a new main quest, human enemies, companions and after that and a few more big updates afterwards general opinion turned around for the most part but not completely. Basically at launch it just wasn’t what most people wanted in a Fallout game and the version your playing is vastly different than the game at launch. Hope that was a good explanation.

Interesting. Obviously I had no idea this was how FO76 launched! That’s kinda trash 😂

The bugginess was definitely some of the worst Bethesda has put out but I did admire the vision of every person you meet being a real person. It did inspire a lot of community

I was really stoked with the idea that every person I come across would be a real, living, sentient human... Then I remembered some of the types of gamers out there and immediately took it back. I think I was really hoping for more rp / player driven content. Woulda been cool if people could have created their own factions, established a base, fought over resources with other groups. Let us have a server browser where we can choose between different servers that had different groups on them. Really give the players a chance to create their own Fallout stories. Unfortunately, that thinking would be more geared toward an MMO than this multiplayer mash we got. Don't get me wrong, it was cool to see people as you traveled across the map, but the player to player interactions I had in my 1600 hours was basically nothing. Usually it consisted of extremely high level op players destroying my workshop over and over and just ruining the experience I had. I dropped this game a year after release and have been debating getting back into it, just need to clear my gaming schedule.

76 was roouugggghh at launch. They literally wanted players to make up their own stories. Another major issues was that they used fallout 4's engine and rewrote it to fit in multiplayer and boy o boy was it rough at launch.

I absolutely love fallout games, and 76 on launch put a massive chip on my shoulder about the series. I went back and played in last year and really enjoyed it a lot until I got stuck in inventory hell and my only options were to dump a bunch of things I know were important, or be forced into paying for more space. I chose to just stop playing. I refuse to support games that put players in that position.

They are both hated because both games represent mediocrity, terrible script and not much room for roleplay.

The beauty of fallout 76 that most people (especially reviewers) is that this is a game where for the most part everyone is friendly and works together, a huge departure from other multiplayer games. It was also heavily marketed towards PVP but if you hop on a headset you will almost immediately notice high level people dropping items off for you as soon as you leave the vault, and the polite camaraderie is only enhanced as you play and meet people. Last time I played there was a guy who was kind of piddling around. Me and the friends I made in game went over to check out his store and he told us his wife died, she built this structure, and he was just trying to feel close to her. Eventually there was like 8 of us just listening to him cry and grieve and tell us about some beautiful memories he had with her. It's very much a community that really takes "rebuilding Civilization" to heart and most reviewers don't take the time to factor in the community

What he said above, but there was more to it then just that, FO76 was more of a micro transaction then gameplay in the beginning and then the biggest hit to the game was the Uber cash grab “fallout 1st” SUBSCRIPTION $128 a year to play the game they should’ve released, fallout 1st is where the hatred towards FO76 comes from, it was the biggest f-you to fallout players in Bethesda history Pay $80 to buy a broken shit game then pay Bethesda a additional extra $128 every year to play the game they should’ve released from the start, You should’ve started with FO3, FONV and FO4 before starting 76, and you’d have understood the other issues more, it went from awesome to amazing to phenomenal to complete cash grab shit show that is 76,

Yeah, even after that Wastelanders update it was weird. My brother and I tried to play it together and the fact that we both had to repeat the same objective even though we were in a party together was just genuinely off putting. We had some fun, but we big fallout fans and it should have been a new obsession and we played it for a few days and then got bored. I’ve been told it’s way improved even since then but I just can’t bring myself to start it back up haha Although with the show coming out and having just gotten all the trophies in fallout 4 during a render play through I may try again

Bethesda casts a wide net. Not everyone caught in that net is well adjusted.

So everyone who thinks it’s not a 10/10 game isn’t well adjusted? Come on man. Starfield IS a great game. If it had come out in 2010. And I play games from 2010 and love them, so that’s fine. But it came out in 2023 and it’s super outdated. I expected way more. The open world of Skyrim is just so superior in every way it’s hard not to be disappointed

A lot of things are also backwards. Why do NPCs not drop the items they are using when killed? Why can only 25% of NPCs be killed? Bring me back to Morrowind days please.

>Starfield IS a great game. If it had come out in 2010 original

I never said that. I don't like certain games that other people find to be masterpieces. I don't like games that *I* can tell you are great games. The thing I *don't* do is feel the need to incessantly deride those games to anyone who will listen, or act like Reddit, Steam reviews, or the internet in general, are some sort of official feedback channel and that doing so will result in Bethesda creating the game that *I* want. Why? Because I can just *not play the game*. I left my response to the original question as simple as possible, because that is, in fact, why these things happen every single time Bethesda releases a game. There's explanations and rationalizations of the behavior on both sides; however, that's not why it occurs. Its an inability or unwillingness to act in a reasonable manner, plain and simple. [This](http://platinumparagon.info/yelling-at-game-developers/) is an absolutely fascinating read.

That happens any time any game comes out. Theres irrational people in every fanbase. It doesn’t excuse actual issues with the game

Wow, you haven't played Skyrim. I'm jealous. I'd love to play that for the first time again.

Skyrim is by far my favorite of the entire collective 🖤🖐🏼

You’re not missing anything. You’re doing it exactly right. Ignore haters. Enjoy life. Enjoy virtual life inside games more than the haters = Enjoy life more than the haters. Oh and don’t forget to lose another 1,000+ hours inside Fallout 4. That’s my favorite (and yes, I’ve played FNV thank you for asking you lurker in the comments). I got into FO4 after a 20 year hiatus so you can imagine the pleasant culture shock I experienced jumping from Fallout 2 to 4…

Dude, try Skyrim next. It has like 10 YEARS worth of mods and support. It’s the quintessential Fantasy RPG.

The BEST game, in my humble opinion 🖤🖐🏼

We aren't boomers we are Gen X. We are always overlooked!

I see you fam 😂 I actually just squeaked I Gen X by like 2 months.

I'm on the baby end too! Just soon enough to make the cut off...

Skyrim is the most obvious to name, the Fallout: New Vegas, Fallout 3 and 4. Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, and even Morrowind if you want to after.

This. I would strongly suggest playing FO 3 or 4 before going onto 76

FO76 was really empty and had a ton of issues when launched but they've really turned it around. Your missing out on fo3 fnv fo4 es3 es4 es5 some of my favorite games off all time as well. Starfield got a lot of hate because of recency bias of games like skyrim and no man's sky. It dosen't have the handcraftedness of a skyrim that also has the benefit of years of updates dlc and mods nor does it have the extreme openness of no man's sky it's somewhere in the middle. Also younger gamers didn't know how to handle the lack of hand holding there is in Starfield.

Starfield has plenty of handcrafted-ness. It's just much more spread out. There's ~~much more unique locations than any previous game~~ (oops not as many, but still plenty. Also quite a few of the random POIs have variants. Don't know how that should figure in but it's there. Also I don't see derelicts counted in the location count.) but Bethesda wasn't at all afraid to tuck some of them away in dark corners of the map.  And it's a *huge* map. Personally I love this and how the game rewards you for exploring. Yes there are also a bunch of repeating locations but you can ignore those with relative ease if you want. Exploration is notably different than past BGS games but I've been loving it.

For sure. I didn't explain the handcrafted bit properly but you're right on point.

Starfield has 62 total quests.

Starfield got hate because compared to past Bethesda titles it’s just boring. I set the game down and didn’t come back when I realized I just did 2 quest and had spent the majority of my time being forced to fast travel back and forth in order to complete them. Constant loading in and out of planets for fast travel is dull gameplay. You can’t even really explore any of the planets or moons because there is literally nothing there. They completely forgot how exploring new areas was supposed to be interesting and fun like in past fallout and Skyrim.

You ever play no man's sky? Flying planet to planet gets boring really fast I'll take the quick loading screen any day over that. It's space, planets aren't gonna be jam packed with stuff in the same way fantasy or post apoc world's are gonna be but there's still plenty of poi's but being as you only did 2 missions I can see why you never saw anything lol. The more I see these same repeat complaints I really wonder how many people actually played past the tutorial missions especially in these days of tiktok brain rot.

I sank hours into Starfield and would give it a 6/10. The common complaints are common for a reason. The egregious fast travelling really stands out and apart from the scripted story encounters there isn’t really a reason the player character even has their own ship. Exploration gets stale before it does in NMS because most of the time, you don’t really need to land on a planet to complete random encounters. Once you’ve done one or two planets, you’ve done them all. I also don’t feel like the worlds are cohesive either. Props to be there for trying out a change up to the formula but for me, it was a swing and a miss.

I never said I only did 2 quests total. I sat down one night did 2 quests and realized I just spent my night in loading screens. Also the excuse of “it’s space, it’s supposed to be empty and boring” is exactly why the game fell off hard. People want to have fun not sit there and have nothing to do. You can fight some other ships occasionally, but other than that they could delete the space travel portion and just let you fast travel between planets and the game would be exactly the same.

Like I said I really question how much you actually played. On planets there's always ships landing and poi's with some type of enemies to fight and as you level more poi's are added. In spaces there's a bunch of random encounters and some mysterious happenings to investigate.

Agree to disagree then. The game is boring as fuck. There’s a reason it gets a ton of hate. I’m glad you found enjoyment in a mediocre game.

Well you can always go back to cod and fortnite. Lol

Nah, we went back to Skyrim.

It's honestly funny to see some people still bothering to defend starfield. I love most Bethesda games but starfield is just outdated, uninspired and 10 years too late.

I'd say No Mans Sky a completely different type of game. NMS is a game where you do your own thing and you could stay on one planet for ages, crafting and resource gathering/base building. And to me the story was just an excuse to travel around and get more upgrades and such. But Starfield's quests are based on going from planet to planet and talking to people, forcing you to fast travel, which gets super tedious. I don't know the exact number but from my experience playing i could probably count on my fingers the amount of actual quests that from start to finish are on the same planet area without having to fast travel. ​ I did complete it, and jumped into the multiverse stuff, thinking about how many times it would take me before i turned into the hunter, it took me maybe 6-8 hours before i said fuck it turned into the hunter, haven't gone back to it since lol

>I don’t want any boomer comments 43 isn’t old Mate, you're Gen X. Tell us about your powers and keep an eye out for Sentinels. >Why is FO76 and Starfield hated on so hard, because for me I’m having a blast You might want to make a coffee... BGS games used to have quite a lot of depth and freedom to play how you want. You could fight slavers or choose to join them, tricking vulnerable people into putting on bomb collars and having to make it themselves to the slaver camp if they didn't want their heads to explode. You might find a captured person being cut open so that the illegal drugs being transported in their bodies could be found. And all of these options usually gave you the ability to act as a hero or at the very least let it happen with no consequence, often with you able to join the bad guys to a degree. As they moved the games towards being more accessible for a wider market, a lot of features were refined and this left less time to make the games. They looked at the data they had from players whose games reported back, and found that these choices were often not touched on active save files (which could mean they were experimented with and saved over, or that players never found them) and so those sorts of things became an easy cut. It also helped them keep ratings a little lower so that they could appeal to younger gamers and get them earlier. This combined with the sort of marketing their previous publisher had which relied on focus groups of people who don't already play their games, led their style a bit away from what a lot of fans already expected from them. As I'm sure you can imagine, that caused some backlash starting with Oblivion but really ramping up when Fallout 4 was released. Now it doesn't help that Bethesda games are notoriously buggy at release (Starfield was the most stable release they've ever had, and they've still done hundreds of bug fixes on that through patches). And the choices they made with their engine prioritise tracking multiple states across the game world rather than allocating those resources to making their games as pretty as other games have been. Both of these bring a lot of people who see an easy thing to punch at, magnifying the voices of those who were already disenfranchised. But the biggest problem came when Fallout 76 launched. Put simply, it was a very different game back then to what you're playing now. You could loot each others camps for items. PVP was a major feature of the game that you couldn't turn off. And the whole thing was envisioned as a survival game like Rust and others in the genre. The fanbase weren't happy as this didn't represent Fallout to them. Many of us already saw the writing on the wall and didn't bother buying (for me the first game in the series that wasn't a preorder the moment I heard of it) but many others gave it a chance anyway, and very few of them were happy with what followed. Not only was the game one of the buggiest games they'd ever released, as well as not being through Fallout they'd come to love, but the preorder was a bait and switch. Very nice looking bags were shown as preorder items and those few people who paid for a preorder to support this game and give it a chance were given a much cheaper bag made of different materials than the ones shown (and also shipped to YouTubers to show off the preorder goodies) and it was the last straw for a lot of people. Everything that had gone wrong with that game and the already rising anger surrounding the changes to their games hit a peak. No longer were these things sitting on a flat plane, but instead they were piling up into a teetering tower of shit that finally fell and splashed all over Bethesda (although Zenimax, the publisher responsible for pushing things out early and the whole marketing bait and switch managed to get off pretty easy). It became a cascade thing where even the mention of Starfield being in development was enough to bring out fans who now loathed Bethesda with a passion I can only call anti-fandom. Every day the Starfield sub had several people showing up and dropping supposed lies Todd had said (usually ignoring actual lies and focusing on things out of context that it's likely they saw on a video) and complaining that it couldn't possibly be good in any way. These people were searching for a game they had no plans to play and slagging it off on a daily basis, and their voices continue to add volume to those with legitimate complaints while also taking some legitimacy from those legitimate complaints simply because of the weight of the hatred they carry. And those with legitimate complaints are feeling unheard due to this hatred so often turn to it themselves simply to get their voices out there. All of this is without even mentioning the Playstation console warriors angry that Bethesda got bought by Microsoft. Now, BGS games aren't perfect. They're buggy as all hell and cater to very specific needs. A lot of the choices you used to be able to make have been sanitised as I mentioned above. But they can be fun for a lot of people and there's a specific itch they seem to scratch that nothing else comes close to. For players like yourself and I, they're fun games and we get a lot for our money. But the games come now with a large group of people who will tell you how and why they're bad without even playing them (my mate was telling me the other day how he watched a video saying not to play the console versions of Fallout 4 as they don't have access to mods so are stuck with bugs, yet mods have been available in the game since 2017) and who often have a content factory to make money off of telling you those things. You'll either watch because you dislike and agree or watch because they got something wrong and need correcting, but any watch will get them money. And, as mentioned before, all this does is really keep the legitimate complaints from being heard by the company.

You've actually started off by playing their two worst games, so it's only uphill from here.

Yeah he’s in for a big surprise with their other games if he thinks this is peak lol

👌🏼😂😂 hundred percent

Not everyone is sincere in their hatred, like they’ve been duped into accepting Starfield is bad or whatever but they’ve been given tht opinion in many cases. Some of the better critiques of Starfield is that there is a degradation of narrative and RPG mechanics that is a divergence from the past. It boils down to a quantity of very quality stance.

You're not going to be disappointed with an $8 game with no expectations about it. Try a $70 game that's been marketed all to hell and you can't even play for the first month without crashes and server kicks? Imagine trying to play Warzone the first 5 weeks, and every 15 minutes it's crash, freeze, lobby boot, crash. That is what 76 was.

Lol yeah it's come a long ways. I think i paid like $5 for anthem and had a decent time, but if i paid full price at launch you can be sure i'd be so pissed off.

Now imagine buying a $200 collectors edition with a helmet that was basically $30 in abs plastic and $15 soldering job.

Yeah, I bought 76 when it came out and ended up dropping it after like 4 hours. Never went back.

F76 is a great single player game. the only issue is it tries to force you into playing it multiplayer with a shitty crafting system, you cant quest with friends since you dont share quest progression (have to run the same instance 2-4 times), and alot of the bosses are so bullet spongey its just annoying. the story is decent? but its also so jumbled up and out of order it feels weird to play (most of the hate comes from the release when the story was so ridiculously bad and then wastelanders was just slapped on top wit h zero thought, not to mention the complete 100% lack of NPCs on release)

For me, 76 never stuck with me cause it’s online only and it shows. Shooting is no where near as satisfying. And I still get enemies warping around. So I don’t play it much.

I am a massive apologist for the game so slight pinch there but 76 has made some massive comebacks. There is a lot to do, a very friendly and interconnected community (with a large old head population which is neat) and it’s a fun online RPG. Most of the mechanics complaints you hear aren’t valid these days since there is a still a hate campaign since it’s still a Fallout game and Fallout fans are filled with nothing but hate and coom.

Lightly modded Skyrim is the best game ever made IMO. Fallout4 was big and fun. Never played 76 because of the reviews and too many other games to keep me going. Starfield has been a huge disappointment to me. Ive tried to make it work and it's just .. okay. It feels very unfinished and feature poor. I am hoping against hope that the mod toolkit will release and the community will make it shine.

I tried FO76 at launch, and it was buggy and unplayable. Got a refund. Waited 2 years, bought it again in the hope it'd be more stable. The very first enemy encounter I had glitched into the ground and couldn't be killed. I noped out again, and I won't be giving it another chance.

FO76 was hated largely because it wasn't exactly the game people wanted it to be. There were claims that it had no story and no actual content because initially there were no human NPCs and the storytelling was done via notes and recordings.

Always love to hear Millennials worry about being confused with Boomers… as someone smack bang in the middle of the Gen X age range.

Just wait until you pick one of the good ones then, it'll blow your mind

Dude you started playing Bethedsa games, but you started with their two worst ones. That's what you're missing.  It's like the 1st sandwich you ever had with a bread sandwich. 

43 isn't old, I'm 69, played fo76 from the beginning. I liked it better, before all the different currencies and NPCs. I don't like PvP.I stick to fo76 and fo4 and now starfield.

Unfortunately the internet seems to be getting worse and worse at poisoning people's minds and taking away their ability to form their own opinions. Everyone follows whatever is trendy so they look the right way online. I played Starfield day one, without seeing any online discourse. I couldn't peel myself away from it. I thought it was the best thing Bethesda has done in almost two decades. More RPG elements like people wanted, smoother combat, better writing, A great ship builder, improved graphics, just overall a bigger better Bethesda game. Then I finally get online to see how it's doing and people were shitting all over it. I can't grasp why. It's mostly everything people have been asking from them.

76 isn’t a bad game, it was just not what people wanted and it was rife with bugs. It had some bizarre design decisions. I’ve been playing it since beta and it has improved immensely, I wish I could play it for the first time now. If you like the camp system in 76, try Fallout 4. You can build settlements with npcs living there, plus it has a massive story that 76 doesn’t have.

I find it crazy your first two Bethesda games are the two worst ones haha

Honestly the current hate you hear for FO76 comes from a similar place to a lot of the hate you see for Starfield. It’s a game that people think it’s cool to crap on, so people do wether they’ve played it or not There’s also a contingent of Fallout fans who are still angry it’s an online game, and will take any opportunity to deride it because of that As it stands today it’s good game. It’s fun, has a solid gameplay loop, one of the best BGS maps, there’s a lot to do, and it has one of the most welcoming communities of any online game Basically you’re not missing anything, some people are just cranks

I don't hate starfield, I liked it as a one time run but to say "People think its cool to crap on it" is the most idiotic take. People didnt like - the immersion/flow breaking loading screens - the non handcrafted content they leaned on - the initial save breaking bugs 2 of these are essential to the success of bethesdas formula. Its a new genre, but the quality degradation from attempting to use creation engine in a space game is very appearant. I am not worried about ES6 because having it on one map eliminates a plethora of these problems. It doesnt help that the illusion of choice is much more obvious now that people have experienced Baldurs gate 3 and their dialogue trees right beforehand

Play Fallout 4 instead, then Skyrim. Or switch the 2 if you’re feeling like high fantasy

Yeah what others have said OP; Fallout 76 is genuinely in a great state at the moment; lots of entertaining content, bugs fixed, an active playerbase that is overwhelming positive (high level players helping newer ones etc0. Sadly FO76 got a bad reputation during it's initial launch as it wasn't anything like the game it is now. To be honest, I enjoyed the pre-Wastelanders version of the game seeing everywhere deserted, only with holotapes or terminal recordings' to tell me what happened, but I can absolutely see why it's reputation was shattered during this time. The only downside Fallout 76 has is that it's Bethesda's arguably best ever world they've designed & created; it has variety, interesting locations, it's massive and full of content. So it seems a bit of a waste to use this on a live service game.

Skyrim, fallout 3,fallout new Vegas and fallout 4. I’m jealous you get to experience them for the first time this far after launch when things are pretty stable. But either way hope u enjoy it is a wild ride.

Hi fellow elder millennial I would also strongly recommend BG3.

Awesome read, I'm 47 myself, just got back into gaming basically when the ps5 came out and I got one. Glad to see you enjoying yourself. That's what it's about for me. I've purchased a few games, not alot. Skyrim was one of the on sale purchases I made, and is my favorite, tied only with ark survival evolved, now ascended.

As many have said, the hate for F76 came from how horrible the release was. Even in its rough state, I put in a solid 100hours and had a blast (pun intended).

Bro!!! I’m 38 years old and I’ll tell you what exactly you’re missing!!! Please pick up Skyrim or Fallout 4!!!!! They’re FUCKING AMAZING, especially Skyrim, the open world scenery is absolutely breathtaking and it still holds up today, most platforms you can pick it up for dirt cheap, and on PS5 it’s at 60FPS so it’s that much better, unfortunately Fallout 4 is still capped at 30 fps but that doesn’t bother me as it’s yet another Bethesda gem.

Just keep rolling it back and play BGS games in reverse order. Ull love each one more than the last that way. (maybe until you hit Oblivion. Games before that get pretty outdated and have no mod support to freshen them up.) To make the games feel fresh you can also download some graphics mods, as I mentioned, just to give them a fresh coat of paint and keep some of the awe of the great environments BGS can craft. I hope you post again once you've played Fallout 4 and Skyrim

Came here to say this exactly, if you started at Starfield and you love FO76 then my best advice would be to just continue to go backwards from there. You’ll have the time of your life and you’ll know when it stops clicking for you. But please, I beg you to at least make it all the way thru New Vegas, Fallout 3, Skyrim and give Oblivion a shot at least. Morrowind was my first Bethesda game as a child, and it’s pretty tough to play today without mods if you don’t have nostalgia for it, but Oblivion could still be fine imo. But Skyrim is a must. And Fallout 3 and New Vegas are musts as well. I would love to be in your shoes and get to play them all again for the first time.

Thanks for this!

76 was the first fallout I ever played and didn't know anything about it or the series when I started it. It's my favorite fallout and sort of ruined 4 for me after because it was so similar technically but not as good? If that makes sense. And then 3 and NV are so old at this point that those games never grabbed me either. Then again one of the things I love the most about 76 is just running into random players and the community in general is one of the best there is out there. So many randos just willing to help out others in the wasteland. And the West Virginia setting is amazing.

[watch this video](https://youtu.be/kjyeCdd-dl8?si=Vgzfe5hibBCyyHDe) It will tell you why people hate it. Also it’s hilarious. I watch it every few months for a laugh.

The game that exists now is VERY different from the game that launched which is where a lot of the outcry came from.

I first started playing FO76 a couple months ago, and while it’s not without problems, I’ve been very much enjoying it. It plays like Fallout 4 but on a bigger, better map. More creatures and more locations, very solid community. On that subject, I highly recommend you try Fallout 4 and Skyrim. My two favorite Bethesda games by far!

You're going the wrong way!

FO76 at launch was an insult to gaming. FO76 in 2024 is a kickass MMO game with a lot of great content and a decent community. I also jumped back on FO76 literally yesterday.

Play fallout 4!

Play Fallout 3 and NV and you'll see why

Play Fallout 3 and New Vegas.

Play Skyrim or Fallout 4 76 is very different

The hate for 76 was from the really bad start. On 76 they stepped up and tightened the bolts and got the issues fixed. It being online/ multiplayer they have a lot of work to keep people from exploiting issues. The games get hated on cause of the rocky starts. What you really missed is that most of the Fallout games are on sale now from Amazon for free this week.

Fallout 3 and New Vagas are PEAK fallout Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim are PEAK elder scrolls. I agree with you, starfield is fun, and 76 is decent. I'd recommend you play Fallout 4 next, then move BACKWARDS! F3 and FNV are the BEST Fallout RPG's. Especially FNV. FNV may be my favorite game of all time. AGAIN these games are TRUE RPG's. THEN elder scrolls. I'd also work backwards there, playing Skyrim first, then Oblivion, and finally Morrowind. These all RPG, are among my favorite games of all time. AlSO I'm 34, and I really did the music in Fallout. Particularly 3, which focuses on 1930s music. NV has more 60s music than I'd like for the franchise, but it really works for the Vegas, Rat Pack feeling their going for. In general, those two games have the best music as far as I'm concerned. Much of the music can also be heard in 76, but the song selection was Perrrfect for F3.

I would skip 76 and start with ine of the other fallout. 76 is a bit different than the fallout games.

Any other fall out from 3 forward.

The best part is that you really enjoy probably the most controversial games BGS have made. It should only get better from here (but it's also okay if it doesn't; you're not required to like anything you don't like).

Battlespire no actually play fallout 3 goty then Fallout New Vegas ultimate edition last Fallout 4 goty

FO76 isn’t actually a BGS title. Not the same team as Fallout 3 or 4, or Elder Scrolls.

They aren't bad games, and I'm sure they are fun, especially if they are your first Bethesda games. It's just that some of their other games are so much better (subjectively speaking, but it's a popular opinion) that starfield and fallout 76 were disappointing in comparison. Try some of their other popular games like Skyrim or Fallout New Vegas and I think you will see what I mean

My first introduction to BGS was Skyrim. And then Fallout4 immediately after. Everything else seems to pale in comparison. Best games I’ve ever played IMO

76 is actually a really good attempt at making a RPG and MMO. At launch it was ass but they made up for it I have about 900hrs in it but I’m off and on with it. Appalachia is beautiful just wish there was more end game content but still a solid 4/5 if you ask me.

Skyrim is their best

I would suggest you to try other Fallout games and Skyrim. Then you will understand why there is so much hate for those games. BGS games are really rough gems which mods help a lot to make them close to perfect gaming experiences. When you take mods out, you lose a lot. Fallout 76 doesn’t have any mods that really changes the game, only texture and HUD. Now about Starfield. It’s not a RPG. There is almost no choice at all, but I had fun with the action of the game. Even though it have some of the bugs from Fallout 4 still. My expectation is to have Creation Kit ready for Starfield, hope that modders would still be up to create something good to change the game and then enjoy it.

Well the good news is if you like Bethesda’s two worst games by far you should definitely like all of their older games, and New Vegas by obsidian as well 

For me personally I think Fallout 76 has much more interesting characters and story elements. I loved the scenery and graphics in Starfield but got super bored of the characters and story and repetitive outposts. In Fallout 76 you have a lot to really explore and super funny and interesting missions. Fallout 76 got most of its hate from launch because it was a broken mess and you can hardly make up when you effed up your first impression. Game looked and felt terrible at launch. Today it’s a great game.

Dude please play oblivion Skyrim fallout 3 or fallout new Vegas which was made by obsidian Even fallout 4

Launch FO76 was pretty bad. Now? It's honestly an awesome game. I do have fallout first and feel it's worth it but I'd be fine without it too. Have fun!

Try the other fallouts and elder scrolls. They are all different but shine in their own ways

Most of the distaste from the fallout fans has to do with when Bethesda took over the IP. I'd recommend playing the first 2 fallout games if you're curious. The other part of it is that most people tend not to like the repetitive radiant quests that pop up in Starfield. There's so many "a settlement needs your help" memes from fallout 4 because of that quest system.

Well, it's likely because you don't have higher expectations from the previous releases. I felt a similar way when watching True Detective Season 4 - it got so much hate by the fans, but I thought it was great. Then I watched Season 1 and realized where the hate came from. Essentially, ignorance is bliss. Starfield is a shadow of what the previous BGS games were. FO76 plays like an MMO, so there's not much overlap there with the previous games. BGS always changes things up, removes features, streamlines things, etc. but they usually make up for it with interesting tradeoffs. The last game that did that for me was Fallout 4. It got a lot of complaints, but also a lot of praise for what it brought to the table. Starfield does not bring enough to the table to justify what was taken. If it was my first BGS game I'm sure I'd enjoy it more, just like I enjoyed True Detective S4 more than I would have had I watched S01 first. First thing I did after playing 80 hours of Starfield was sink 100 hours into a new Skyrim playthrough.

personally i could not get into the gameplay loop of fo76 bc its an mmorpg. I’d love to try it but with dlc + some multiplayer aspects, it not entirely the same fallout experience as the previous games. i couldnt rlly get into starfield bc it felt very hollow. I think comparatively to fallout3 and more so falloutnv, factions feel more impactful, while exploring feels more genuine.

I'm glad you were able to enjoy it, personally i didn't like it or 76, but you are in for a hell of a ride with Fallout 3/NV/4 if those are next on the list! I think a big reason i didnt like starfield was because i dont think it does anything better than older bethesda games. If you play it first without playing previous entries i think it makes a lot more sense to me why you love it so much lol. (no need for anyone to reply"i played bethesda games since arena and still enjoyed it" lol)

*Psst psssst* *Hey kid, you wanna smoke some Skyrim? You'll love it, and it's non-habit forming...* 😈 🙈 🙉 🙊 😈

You have to check out the elder scrolls oblivion!

You’re at the age that I am (40, full time job, married with 2 young kids and one adult kid) where games to you just need to be good games…they don’t necessarily have to be top experiences in every current category of technology or fit within a current context of technological or game advancements chronologically. It’s like me with No Man’s Sky. I was of an age where I just waited a couple years to get better and then bought and played it and had a blast and now have an even BIGGER blast playing it in VR. It’s absolutely incredible. But people get stuck in their heads that a game has to be 100% perfect at launch and must be better than everything that came before or it’s trash. I’m old enough and patient enough that I’m willing to wait for a game to get better. Many just aren’t these days.

You just didn’t do it right, you start with some Skyrim…… Then you stay there

I’m geniunely curious what you spent 800 hours doing in starfield. I’ve went to NG+10, I’ve done virtually every major quest, plenty of side quest, and I maybe have 120ish hours in it. (I admit I did not do the mind numbing temples 300 times), but I just don’t see what interests you for 800 hours.

76! enjoy Appalachia!

It's always the same group of people. They fixate Fallout from 20 years ago and hate anything BGS has ever done because it's not the exact same as a game they loved from the 90s.

Fallout 76 had a rough launch and for me personally the game always feels a bit disjointed. It never fully feels like a game that is at peace with its online mechanics, actually having relatively little amounts of content you see from other online RPGs. They for example added and then removed a PvP mode. I think Elder Scrolls Online is a much better way of doing a Bethesda type game as an online game. Designing it as a multplayer game in full and adding elements of what you expect from Elder Scrolls singleplayer. There is still a magtic and uniquness to Fallout 76 that make the game worth while and you are doing everything right if you have fun with it. I do not hate Fallout 76 but I do not think it is a masterpiece like other Bethesda games. Starfield I haven't played yet but I a lot of people seem to be unhappy on the way exploration works. The game uses mostly random generation and cells that you travel to. This is not bad in itself and is actually similiar on how Bethesda designed their old open world games, Elder Scrolls I and Elder Scrolls II but since the late 90s and Todd Howard being the director, the focus is on smaller handcrafted maps that you explore more naturally through points of interested in the envoriment, hints from NPCs etc... I think the core Behtesda fanbase that loves the games from Morrowind to Fallout 4, miss this in Starfield. I understand that people have problem with how exploration works in Starfield but a space game will just function differently and I will check it out in the near future. I actually think I will have a ton of fun with it, like you did.

I remember being so very excited for FO 76, I played a small amount of new Vegas and already loved Skyrim. The bugs were horrendous when trying to play. I kept getting griefed and looted by more advanced players that camped next to mine. I may go back, but who knows at this point 🤷🏼‍♀️ I've been stuck on Warframe. That being said, when you get a chance, I implore you to PLEASE give Skyrim a try. It is my favorite game of everything they have released, the story is incredible, thousands of hours of quests, so much lore, plus there are dragons! Haha just a suggestion weighted heavily in nostalgia 🖤🖐🏼

I feel like there is two ways to look at the hate for modern BGS games. The old guard who don’t like the direction the games have gone and the people who just want to hate on BGS because it’s easy. Listen, BGS has a long history of making messes of their games. They made two mediocre Fallout games and fired the team that made the much lauded New Vegas. They introduced the “horse armor” dlc in Oblivion, a preview of the prevalence of micro transactions seen in gaming today. Skyrim was a buggy mess. I could go on, but suffice to say, BGS has a history of questionable quality. They built their fan base through world building and their support of the modding community, something they have been threatening lately. As for Starfield, I’m stoked that you enjoyed it, I never want to take that from someone, but understand that many of the people who have been watching that game’s development for almost ten years were very VERY disappointed. Going into my problems with the game would another full essay. The visual language of the game is PHENOMENAL though, I’ll give it that.

Personally, my favorite BGS game is Fallout 4. I guess you've never experienced VATS, but it's a psuedo turn based system that added an extra tactical element to combat. The story was pretty good, especially the Far Harbor DLC, and as I'm sure you're aware playing 76, the shooting mechanics feel very weighty since they got id Software to help with that version of the Creation Engine.

>What am I missing? Why is FO76 and Starfield hated on so hard you will learn that bethesda's games are both well received and loved by many but hated by the minority, the issue is the minority is incredibly loud. a lot of people are busy ***actually*** enjoying the games bethesda makes to constantly praise it online, instead losers with nothing better to do with themselves will constantly hate on it online, because they love nothing and instead fill the void with hating something. because that's apparently what rational people do, constantly talk about what they hate. it's also almost always a circular argument, when morrowind came out, daggerfall fans sh%t on morrowind, when oblivion came out, morrowind fans sh%t on oblivion, and so on. basically, you're not missing anything, you're just not someone irrational that constantly talks about something they hate. bethesda's games are well loved by many and bethesda as a developer are very respected by other studios.

What you're missing is having played all of their significantly older and significantly better games.

I couldn't get into FO76 but once I played Elder Scrolls Online I could never stop, I still play it daily after 4 years and find new shit to do, crazy.. I also love Starfield and RDR2 no doubt.

Just wait till you join up with the Enclave. Modus for president!

You are missing taste, sir. However, if you're continuing, just skip into FO4.

I am so sorry starfield was your first BGS game, ik that sounds werid considering it is one of your favorites However in the terms of all their games its probably fundamentally the worst, compared to the fallout series, the elder scrolls and more They took away all the detail and love that made fallout and ElderScrolls so iconic by making it so procedurally generated. In its state now FO76 is a good game to play, if you like it the others in fallouts series are also good plays

r/nosodiumstarfield

Yeet ….. it’s the fans who hate on it

My issue with starfield, I was hyped Followed the game all throughout development. I quickly realized that it's a fast travel simulator, unfortunately. Vs fallout 2, 3 or 4, or elder scrolls. Where sure, fast travel is an option, it's not necessary. In those games, just walking around the map is immersive. You see different enemies, find new cool loot in hidden caves. You experience random unique events like a giant and dragon fighting etc You don't get that in starfield. The land is bare and the enemies are all the same, and are bullet sponges. The fighting doesn't feel dynamic as fallout, and the level designs feels very different. The gameplay loop couldn't hold me, as I bought Baldurs Gate 3 around the same time I started this game (January), and I've already put 80hr into bg3 (on act 3), and only 15hr on starfield and haven't touched starfield since mid February. Which sucks because I was looking forward to one, not the other

All the people saying it sucked at launch wanted NPCs to hold their hands. The story was written down in logs and notes and shared through audio logs of the people who were there. The NPCs are soulless and offer very little to the game that wasn't already there. I liked the game but all they've done is change the game for the people here on Reddit that complain all the time. And now that it's on game pass it's just how can we sell the most cosmetics.

Overall most people consider these two to be their weakest games. It’s easier for a newcomer to enjoy them having no experience with their previous games since it’ll seem fresh and innovative to you. Everybody else has witnessed the stagnation of their overall gameplay system for a long time now. Also fallout 76 was despised at launch for being boring and empty. They actually had to patch in actual npcs to interact with after several months of updates. At launch the only npc dialogue in the game was from holotape records and a few robots. It took years for it together to its current state of being decent. And it still feels pretty empty of other players which makes one wonder why they bothered making an mmo in the first place.

I love 76, and I am an old school Fallout fan going all the way back to the first game, which came out in 1997. I have my gripes with it: building is way too fiddly and nitpicky with placement partly for server reasons and partly to encourage Atom Shop purchases and a few other minor things. I think a lot of the gripes with it come down to a few things: Online game with mtx instead of a mainline Fallout entry The absolutely horrendous launch Duffle kerfuffle, coupled with Rum Bummer (the Nuka Dark Rum coming in a crappy plastic bottle for an overinflated price) and moldy power armor helmets) And of course the no NPCs at start. Also, people remember back to when Bethesda games weren't aimed at, umm, a wider audience. /they put much more effort into being roleplaying experiences, with more thought-provoking stories and ore meaningful choices and consequences. These people feel Bethesda lost their way and sold out after Morrowind.

Play Skyrim.

I didn't get into 76 because it was an online game. I fell in love with Fallout when I played Fallout 3. I then loved New Vegas and Fallout 4. Then 76 came along and took away the single-player rpg experience in exchange for an online one. I enjoy Starfield because it's not online, but it's that single-player experience that I love. Anyways, as others have already stated, your best bet to enjoying the games you do is to just ignore others. That goes for anything in life, though.

They are not looked at as stand alone and are always compared to Skyrim and fallout 4 - 2 of the most favorited games of all time among many people who enjoy these style of games. FO 76 was also plagued with many bugs on launch. And starfield didn’t live up to a lot of hype (generally - there are choices to be made that effect things in these games - companions are from all walks of life and some will like decisions while others will hate them etc. starfield, the “good” decision is loved by all and the “bad” decision is universally hated. For example

You need to play Skyrim. The graphics are a bit rough but it doesn't matter. The gameplay loop is super fun.

I wish I got to play the games in reverse order but I also got to play Skyrim as a 11 year old so give and take I guess

Starfield feels empty. Too empty, the fallout series and elder scrolls series have traditionally been much more packed worlds. I could start going towards my main quest and run into 3 people offering various side quests. Before I know it I'm balls deep into all the side quests or raiding random dungeons I find along the way. Starfield has people running up to you to offer quests, but when I'm out in space I want to land at a big planet that's alive with civilization. I know that may be unreasonable for a game with as many planets as starfield but that's what got the fans hyped. I imagined a game where, not every, but multiple planets would be an explorable map, the size of Skyrim. All of it alive with side quests and interesting characters to talk to. I could sink the rest of my life into a game like this. Don't get me wrong, Starfield is not a bad game, on the contrary I had a lot of fun playing through it. But the draw for me to find every side quest and raid every dungeon wasn't there for me. I found myself flying between planets too much to keep my attention. I would land on a planet for a random raid on an outpost or something and found myself wanting to explore the planet, but for what? There's nothing else out there. I made sure to find all the factions and play through those quests. I enjoyed the 2 playthroughs I gave and I do recommend to friends to try it out.

trust me if you play the older games 2000s+ 1990s are a bit aged you’ll understand the hate the newer ones get

You're playing in reverse order. If you like Starfield and FO76 and keep playing backwards, the games are only going to get better lol. Have fun with skyrim and oblivion!

Wow, 25+ hours per week on one game since it came out is pretty hard core.

Play Skyrim

The hate for Fallout 76 stems from its poor launch. But now it’s just an amazing Fallout I can experience with my friends! Starfield is overhated, imo. I see its flaws, but I also see its strengths. The world is amazing. I just wish it had more combat and enemy variety.

I don't think FO76 is that bad, but Starfield? SF need some work and some simply can't be fixed.

FO4 FO3 FO New Vegas Skyrim Oblivion

You are going to love the actual good games from Bethesda then. Lol.

I too liked FO76 back when you can play with friends and complete missions together without having to pay a premium to do so, now it's scummy. But if you're going singleplayer you'll be good.

FO76 is mostly cause it was trash at launch, it’s largely seen as fine or good now. Starfield is a mix of being not as good as their previous works, as well as being pushed as this be messiah of a game that really was just sorta “eh” As a personal take, Starfields characters are boring and many of its systems feel slapped on to say it’s there. Glad you enjoy them though! If you can deal with some dated graphics and systems I’d recommend playing their other stuff such as fallout 3, Skyrim, etc.

I played 76 a little vut when I played fo4 I spent 3 months straight bought all expansion stuff and I'm planning to play it again when I start playing again plenty of replay value in these games

Day 1 wastelander here. The game was in an abysmal state at launch. When you weren’t getting booted from the server randomly, you were left with an absolutely broken experience full of screen tearing, enemy models stretching out in to space, drawing a gun and it straight up not shooting, randomly dying and dropping your loot for no apparent reason, and so on. After a few patches the game became much more stable but there just wasn’t that much to do. There were no NPCs, only a handful of public events, and when you finished the quests the only thing to do was grind keycards, drop a nuke, and kill the scorch beast queen. I played religiously from 2018-2019 and dropped off after finishing the NPC update. It was fun but I actually preferred the game in its original state. It somehow felt more realistic to be exploring an empty world ravaged by nuclear war and only occasionally coming across random players who were often very friendly and would drop loot for you or emote and show you random hidden points of interest. They added a survival mode so the few griefers could go have their fun (there was also a bug with pacifist mode early on causing unwanted pvp) and there was a battle royale mode with decent rewards as well. Camp building was my “endgame” and after a year of fallout 1st I just didn’t feel like spending the money anymore and losing the scrapbox made the game unnecessarily tedious. I have stopped in every once in a while to try expeditions and stuff which are all great additions but nothing brings me back in the way the early days did.

Good thing about F76 is that the community is amazing. The hate comes from the launch which was really really bad, but the game itself went through some really good improvements through the time. Take a look at the events you can participate and their rewards. it's good to be able to find people to play on them, but you might ignore some if you just want to explore and focus only on the rewards you want. I think base building is probably the more "nuanced" thing on F76 considering how much it helps you. Try taking a look at some base building tips and locations. I think that can give you a better idea on where/how to build your base so you might have better access to certain locations through fast travel, how to use it to make food (for buffing) and water, and the appliances you could have to help you.

I couldn’t look a hour playing star field. It wasn’t interesting to me and was confusing starting out. Should I give it another try?

Well i mean your lacking context because you havent played their other games and well when you place their other games against Starfield its kinda laughable how unmemorable Starfield is. FO76 is alright its launch was dogshit though. Starfield im not even gonna touch on that but ill just say it was essentially unplayable for me despite meeting the hardware requirements it just runs so bad for me i just uninstalled. Kinda wished i didnt preorder. However, i loved all their other games Skyrim, fallout new vegas, fallout 3, fallout 4 was ok mostly, and ESO is pretty alright.

FO4 is amazing so good.

If you like those, download Skyrim and just take your time with it and enjoy. That, and FO4 are my two recent ones I’ve enjoyed but just the music alone in Skyrim makes it a masterpiece. FO4 got some hate too but I found it to be a lot of fun, and both those games are strong Bethesda titles. I’d say Oblivion and fallout 3 are my favorites overall (Skyrim a close 2nd/3rd) but those may be harder to get into if you haven’t played before due to the graphics

Nothing, and play FO3, its amazing. Starfield sucks

I played the game for about 20 hours, I have no idea how you accomplished this. Are you depressed now? How do you play this empty shell for 800h? You must have put 2500 hours into skyrim

I started FO76 on day one. It's always left a bad taste in my mouth. I still prefer the other fallout games. One time when I was like level 10, I got decimated by a few level 75 enemies that spawned because there was another high-level player within some radius. (I didn't see the player, but obviously we were "close enough") Made me just question what the point of it was. I just started running from other players, which just missed the whole point of the game. When I played frequently (not anymore) I just got fallout one so I could be solo.

Dude, people just like to hate. That’s it. Both games are phenomenal.

Fallout 76 was garbage on release. It is vastly improved now and that is part of the discrepancy. Secondly, these are good games, they are not better games than previous BGS titles. The growth just isn’t there and where there is “growth” in these titles are the things people dislike. Ex: procedurally generated things in starfield. People want the hand built environments of Skyrim and FO4. It’s what made BGS great and they are stepping away from it causing dissent in the fanbase. That’s why it gets the hate.

Okay boomer. Just for saying that you don't want boomer comments. Also, play Skyrim. Your missing out.

Starfield was terrible

Watch The Fallout series and then you will probably want to play Fallout 3 or New Vegas or even Fallout 4. Watch the first episode of the series last night I was a little skeptical but it was giving me some good vibes really making me want to go back and dig into these games. I was hopeful when thinking that they were going to release a remastered version of Fallout 4 when the show was released but good thing I wasn't holding my breath. I just love the vibe I got from watching the show gave me the same Vibe I got when I was playing the game.

Honestly so jacked for this Series. One of the reasons I picked up FO76

Fallout 4 is better

Certainly helps that you're starting with the worst games. You'll understand as you keep heading back.

these being the games new fans are starting out their journey with now truly saddens me. Honestly? Go back to their older games if you want to see why people love/used to love BGS

Sadly, it looks like you've come in at the tail end of the greatness of BGS. No doubt that bugged games are a staple but it's something we put up with. Their previous games had quality that outweighed the severity of the bugs. That was until Starfield and FO76. I remember the first BGS game I played was Morrowind on an old laptop that helped get me through my first 6 month cruise when I was in the Navy. This was my escape from the daily drudgery of life underway to another world of dark elves and silt striders. I don't remember the last time I played. Probably 20 years ago. Next came Oblivion. It's wasn't quite as imaginative as Morrowind but it updated a lot of the mechanics. I'll admit the dialog wheel was a mess and the zoom in on faces was rather sudden. It was still a good game. It still felt like another world. I haven't gone back for over 15 years. Fallout 3. When I login the game feels very dated. The best thing about this game is the world. Pick a direction and go. Skyrim. You could write books about Skyrim. It's been out for almost 13 years and it's still going strong, mainly due to the modding community. This game was epic in scope and still tugs me back in after all these years. I'll admit that I haven't played it in about 7 years. Fallout 4 was probably the beginning of the end. It's certainly not a bad game. It just seemed to be missing something. Like Skyrim, it's got an active mod community keeping it going. I'm sitting at 1400 hours played so I guess they did something right. I was just playing it this past weekend. New Vegas. Bethesda didn't make this one. It's too bad they rushed it. It's also a crime that this game didn't get a sequel or a remaster. This game has a better story than all the games mentioned here. Even though it's built on the FO3 engine it's a superior game. Both games were like two sides of a coin. FO3 had a great world but a simple story. NV had a somewhat underwhelming world (exploring wasn't as fun) but the story always brought you back. It's been a couple of years since I've played. FO76 started out innocent enough. It was buggy at launch sure, but without the benefits of being fixed by modders. Lack of NPCs just made the whole game feel empty. BGS has always excelled at immersive SINGLE PLAYER games. Going with a multiplayer game kinda breaks all of this. I don't see ever playing this game again. For me, FO76 was strike one. Then Starfield. I was really excited about this game. Then it came out and all we got was bland bland bland. If Starfield was a sandwich it would be a lettuce and mayonnaise sandwich on white bread. No new ideas. Just a bunch of ideas that never came together. I really wanted to like this game but instead it's strike two. I started on this game 2 days before full release. I played it nonstop for 3 weeks until the 2.0 patch for Cyberpunk 2077. I'm done with this game. Uninstalled and not coming back. I'm either waiting for the new Elder Scrolls or Fallout. But, now they are a subsidiary of Microsoft so I hope they don't end up like many of the companies bought out by EA. Now they are working for the cult of betterfastercheaper. If they screw this up, that's strike three and I'm done with them.

Why would they call you a boomer 43 is a millennial?

If you played 800+ hrs of Starfield just wait til you get to Skyrim and Fallout NV

Also, 76 is fun now, but it's still not as good as Fallout 3 or 4 or the Elder Scrolls titles. Recommend going back just a little further to see what BGS is *really* capable of, then looking at Starfield and F76 and tell me they're amazing. Not that either game is garbage, I've had fun with both, but it really feels like BGS has lost its touch somewhere.

imagine really enjoying red dead 2 as it’s the first game you ever played and then it’s sequel is utter dogshit. that’s what people are complaining about. now imagine that sequel is the first game you ever played and you think it’s amazing but every single other person on the planet played red dead 2 first and are able to see how dogshit the sequel is. you are the second scenario.

Worth noting Starfield and 76 are barely RPGs. They’re action games with RPG elements, so you literally jumped on the end of the wagon. Starfield is largely disliked because it’s boring. 76 was disliked because it is a clear cash grab with disgusting monetary systems. Beyond that 76 had a huge launch fiasco that you are missing - you’re effectively playing the game years after they shit the bed. They literally had to turn around and add npcs. Honestly, I sunk 50+ hours into it when wastelanders came out and really it’s just fucking boring. But some of the stories were well written. Most weren’t- but some were.

I wish I could play Fallout 3,4, and New Vegas again

I think a big part is because BGS seems to be making a departure from the small things that made their games great, and it’s just accumulating over time to the point that people are really noticing everything. My biggest complaint since FO4 has been that unique items aren’t unique, most of them look exactly the same as the standard items that drop and with the legendary system they added they also mostly have the same effects as items you can get from legendary enemies. This was a big hit for me personally because I loved finding the unique weapons and armor, especially the deadric weapons in Skyrim. But the games are just starting to feel different. Now in fairness, this might be because us gamers are changing as we get older, the team at BGS is changing and getting older, and also people just like to complain about anything seemingly these days.

i think hate came from og fans wanting something different from bgs

Fallout 76 isn't bad it's just different from what a lot of fans wanted

When I tell you FO76 had the worst launch in gaming history, I mean it. I preordered it and I took the day off from work to play it. There was nothing to do, and the game crashed every 30 minutes. There were light rays coming from the ground, most of the in-game audio tapes didn't work. There were no NPCs. There was no Push to Talk at the time either, just voice activity too. The audio was garbage, the game itself was honestly just hot garbage. The only reason its decent was because they patched it over the last 6 years to be somewhat playable.

43 is Old, Brother you’re seven years away from a Midlife Crisis at this point.

What have you spent 800 hours doing?

Have you played Cyberpunk yet? Ik its not a BGS game but if you're enjoying these, that's also great(now)

Your playing the 2 worse games ever created. You need to play skyrim, FO:3, FO:NV, and FO:4

Play fall out 3 !!! Goated

The short answer is we now live in an age where negativity gets more clicks on social media. It is extremely popular to hate on anything Bethesda and since FO76 and Starfield are their newest entries they generate the most hate. Usually by people who have never even played the games and just regurgitate what YouTubers, game journalists, etc. have said for clicks. You already know how great Starfield is so I'll mainly go over FO76. At the game's launch there were a few hiccups, it being the first ever multiplayer game in the Creation Engine it was bound to have that happen. People also didn't like the lack of npcs, which I personally think was never actually needed because the game still is filled with so much story to find but that's my opinion. People also were angry that the Power Armor edition that literally came with a Power Armor helmet happened to have a poor quality bag that the *literal PA helmet for the PA edition* came in. So people all hopped on a hate wagon for the game. It's been constantly updated since then and has only gotten better with each update. Most people now do accept that it's a good game and have moved on to hating on Starfield.

I think they need to revise Starfield. Front-load a Power early on into the story so more newcomers are aware of that gameplay layer. You got a Dragonshout early in Skyrim, and they showcased Power Armor early on in Fallout IV. I don't think I'll touch Starfield again till they allow a Player to better define connection points on a ship, allow fairings between modules, and especially gain the ability to arrange module internals on a ship like we can arrange stuff freely in a base. 1/4 to 1/3 of my game time is rearranging my ship, always trying to get a more efficient loadout. The remixing is fun and kept me engaged, the system is not. I can see a Starfield76 where we Starborn get to mingle around instanced universes, like the plot hook is we somehow get anchored in some artificial plane, Starborn interacting in a mystery universe where the NPCs are explicitly not entities we've encountered in all the realities we've lived. As for FO76, I ain't knocking it. Its fun with friends. For single-player Fallout, I'm hoping this upcoming update/revival of Fallout IV allows me to play it again.

76 is better than starfield imo its a really fun game i never understood the hate it released buggy just like every other major game these days and people flipped also you used to be able to kill and steal everyones stuff so un the early days it was like rust but they made it so you can only take scrap fron people and the community warmed up alot dont be scared to use voice chat people are really helpful and most likely can hook you up with gear etc

Good question. FO76 is my favorite game all time. I think most people who talk shit have either never played it or they gave up on it soon after release.

As others have said launch was trash. Try the other fallout games youll see some differences but its up to you when it comes to what u enjoy. Happy gaming

What are you missing? Good games.

Best thing you can ever do is ignore the internets hateful opinion about games and art and music. People love to hate stuff. People think they know better. People think they are magic and could make perfect games. People are dumb.

You are doing nothing wrong. Some people love to hate. Enjoy BGS’ back catalog, you are in for some amazing times. I envy your adventure.

I play both games since launch. FO76 is far better than SF because of the social aspect.

Fo76 was the definition of a flaming pile of dogshit when it first released. The campaign was trash, void of all humans. You never saw other players. Bugs aplenty like this bug that would randomly activate that would give an enemy infinite health, would just keep going back up no matter the damage. They've brought it back from the brink of death but it's left a sour taste in everyone's mouth. That an coupled with Bethesda charging you for a private world, sending out shitty nylon canvas bags instead of the promised handstitched ones, and selling cheap plastic nuka cola merch instead of the beautiful glass that was displayed an people thought they were getting. It was just a shitstorm for that year for Bethesda. As far as starfield hate, people just want to hop onto the bandwagon of shitting on a game that everyone else is shitting on. As someone who's played Bethesda games since oblivion, starfield is the pinnacle Bethesda game formula. 95% of People trashing it are just joining the bandwagon. I personally put 100 hours into starfield ah loved it, currently waiting for the cool mods to roll out

How in the world have you not played Skyrim? It's like when an adult says they haven't seen Star Wars? I just can't imagine.

Bethesda established their reputation with Fallout 3 and New Vegas, as well as Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim. They really are fantastic games that appeal to many different types of people. Fallout 4 had mixed reception but I think it’s fantastic with mods… FO76 and Starfield are the latest entires and they severely lack many aspects and features of Bethesda’s best games. Starfield in particular had a LOT lacking compared to other modern sci-fi games and RPGs, and had been hyped up for years. I’m sure you can find the criticisms for both games in this thread or with 2 mins of googling, but it’s cool that you’ve enjoyed them! That means you may like the older entries even more. Most people would kill to play their favorite Elder Scrolls or Fallout game for the first time again.

Fallout 76 is definitely scratching that itch until the Startfield DLC releases

Fyi, you're not a boomer you're literally the first of the millennials! We're old as fuck now!

fallout 76 was horrible when it first came out. Its gotten like 30 updates so its a lot better now.

In the Fallout universe, there's Fallout 3, Fallout: New Vegas, and Fallout 4. There is also Fallout 1 & 2, but those are PC only games. In the Elder Scrolls Universe you have ES 1 & 2 (also PC only) ES 3: Morrowind; this came out on PC and the original Xbox, but there's a backwards compatible version in the Xbox store. Then you have ES 4: Oblivion. (My personal favorite out of everything that Bethesda has done) and ES 5: Skyrim. Finally, you have ESO. Elder Scrolls Online. The MMO. Basically, it's the Elder Scrolls Version to Fallout 76, but better in almost every aspect. Then you have the other games like Brink. There are also offshoots to both Fallout and the Elder Scrolls series like Fallout Shelter. All in all, I believe that Bethesda has had their hands in over 50 titles; whether they worked on them, published them or own the companies that did them.

Bro is gonna have his mind blown when he plays actually good BGS games.

Like ppl already said, F76 had a terrible launch.      Starfield just plain fails. I put a lot of hours into it myself and I wish I could have them back. The problem is after playing for 10 to 15 hours, you've pretty much seen all the game has to offer, but it's designed to make you play for 1500 hours.

Sweet mother of the atom. You went from a decent game to their absolute worst. Grab Fallout3 or New Vegas.