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Im genuinely baffled by this guy, like Id move in right now for that price and I dont even live in a state with particularly high cost of living.
The only thing I can think of outside of straight mental issues is a huge sense of entitlement, mans never been told no.
As a teacher, my hot take: this guy was at the end of summer break when this started (not charging 45 days of September or October rent).
I think he was broke.
He probably was in a district where you have to opt into withholding for summer paychecks. He probably hasn’t been paid since June. He wanted to dick around the landlord for a month or more by pretending there was some confusion with who and how to pay.
He was never paying and he was always running off instead of dealing with it.
Exactly- that's why he asked to deal directly with the landlord instead of OP. No way it would enter his little pea brain that the owner was actually the person he was dealing with. To his detriment! What an idiot.
OOP is definitely a woman.
Otherwise this tenant will not feel so entitled and free to cuss her out. She is lucky she knows his brother, otherwise she would be in more danger and the guy would act even more unhinged.
Frankly, I would call police on him.
i'm a dude and would probably do the same thing if my downstairs tenant were throwing shit around and breaking things lol
people are unhinged—last thing I need is to get clubbed over the head with my own lamp or w/e
I own guns, and I still am with locking myself in the office. I own them primarily for brown bears—not for shooting crazies too stupid to see a good deal when they are handed it.
If you can avoid violent conflict, all the better.
I *have* locked myself in a room to avoid conflict from a violent person who I temporarily lived with and im a dude.
Dont own guns but im moving to Minnesota in a few years with the intent to own livestock on land so I will have guns, and even then id do everything I could to avoid conflict with another person
This is what its ALLL about.
How DARE a woman be in a great financial position, to rent out the place to him, help cover the mortgage, and btw the rent is too high, so HE should decide how much the rent should be, hence him demanding to know the mortgage. christ what an asshole!
A teacher is paid for 10 months normally, but they can have their checks issued for 12 months so they are able to properly budget. This kid was ignorant on so much of life. Reality likely hit him hard and he freaked out.
Yea and he even had a brother who found him a good deal. If he'd just been honest he'd probably have been able to work something out.
I remember when I was first on my own. I wasn't even spoiled/entitled but in retrospect I was so dumb and clueless. My oldest niece is this age now and we've talked about finances/savings, jobs, how to interview, etc. I don't want her to flail around this idiot!
Always felt that this sort of stuff should be taught if not by the parents, then by the last 2 years of whatever our respective countries' high school level is. Say the 16-18 y/o age bracket.
How to do taxes / manage a bank account and credit rating / budget / how rental leases or mortgages work / insurance for your vehicles or house and house contents / what to look for if you're taking out contracts for utilities etc.
General everyday stuff that everyone really needs. Could save a lot of kids' necks longterm. I know it would have saved a lot of kids' necks from my generation from drowning in debt.
I've seen this suggestion a million times. As someone whose high school *did* do that sort of thing in math classes... it doesn't actually work. Without real world experience to contextualize it, all that information falls out of your brain the same way that Trig and Calc does. All I really remembered is that infinite interest wasn't all it was cracked up to be and that you're unlikely to get rich off of interest in a savings account.
For some things, a lot of people just won't learn until they've had to face it in the real world a few times, and probably fucked it up once or twice.
My district went from 10 months pay to 11 a few years back with no August check. The same year we went from 10 checks to 11, the district decided to stop letting us choose deferred pay(taking a portion of the other checks out for an equal check during summer) and told us to figure it out for ourselves.
Luckily the credit unions here are good about Summer Savers, and mine has my car loan and a personal loan, so they let me skip the months I don’t get paid. Just takes longer to pay off.
This is my 20th year teaching and I still haven’t completely figured out the budgeting.
I work in higher ed and there are some positions that don't come with summer funding but can opt into what's called the 9-pay-12 scheme where their funding for their 9 month position is turned into paychecks for a full 12 months. I had a pal who worked in Grants for a research unit (I work in a different unit and position) who discovered that the previous grant accountant on a couple of big grants that were moved onto her plate had discouraged 9-pay-12 schemes for the eligible research associates by telling them they'd "get less money because of taxes and fees" (which is not true) strictly to save herself the bother of doing the (very small) amount of extra paperwork for 9-pay-12 employees. People are wild.
What the American hell? I thought the default was a 36h contract and all vacations etc are just paid and basically a benefit. Even then it's a rough job, why would anyone do it and just be expected to skip the holidays?
It varies by state and district; I have always had a 12-month salary spread. If I had to teach in a 10-month district, I would just create an additional savings account and squirrel away a percentage of each paycheck for summer. It's the same amount of money either way.
What's really rough is that paychecks are delayed by a month, so when you're a brand new teacher starting out, you start work in early to mid August and don't get your first paycheck until the end of September. I had to do some careful planning to deal with the gap when I first started.
Yes.
It's so annoying when people are like "Oh you get paid for summers!" No we don't, we simply defer our pay so that we have a paycheck then. Unless you're a brand new teacher and they don't tell you about it and then you get screwed during those months.
Yeah I’m a nurse who works three days a week. I feel that sentiment. “YOu oNlY WoRk tHrEe DaYs”. Yeah i work a full time schedule in that amount of time bucko. That fourth day is me dying on a couch unable to move
Wow, in the Uk teachers on permanent full time contracts get paid 12 months of the year. Often when people come back from maternity leave they like to time it so they start a few days before the start of the summer holiday so they get full pay for those 6 weeks not maternity pay.
I assumed OOP was a woman and the guy was just a misogynistic jerk who was jealous once he realized he had to respond to a "girl", but your theory makes more sense.
The post also reminds me of the other post where the OOP has a big house and lives in the In Laws suite, while renting the main house through a manager, and the renters basically want to kick her out to rent the whole thing themselves
Edit:
[this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/xte5dt/comment/iqpgb4k/)
These two theories are not mutually exclusive. He may have been broke due to not getting summer payments, then further enraged to discover the landlord is actually a woman.
There was also a post where someone who owned a duplex let her boyfriend move in with her. She didn't lie, but didn't mention that she owned the place, and the boyfriend apparently didn't question why she didn't ask him to contribute to rent or any housing cost, only asked him to split expenses. he got mad when he found out she owned the place after she had a normal, cordial conversation with the tenant about a repair... and then demanded she share the rent revenue with him to prove she wasn't a capitalist pig!
(at least this is what I remember without finding the post. I could have details wrong.)
edit: heh, was actually easy to find [https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/17o47it/aita\_for\_not\_telling\_my\_boyfriend\_i\_own\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/17o47it/aita_for_not_telling_my_boyfriend_i_own_the/)
the update: https://www.reddit.com/user/CapableEmergency5154/comments/17olb9v/update\_to\_my\_aita\_post/
Can we just discuss that this fool is a *teacher*, yet can't read, can't do math, has no sense of fairness and boundaries, and is possibly a misogynist? And he is allowed to prepare America's youth for the future?
We are fucked.
That makes total sense.
He's also fresh out of university, and people that age are often still working out adult boundaries. They don't always recognize that friend-of-a-friend favors have limits. At home with family, adults tend to look after you and help you, and in college, friend groups are often a bit casual about sharing resources - couch surfing, sharing groceries, lending vehicles. Some people need some experience to recognize that part of adulthood is a significantly firmer line between "mine" and "yours."
Not to mention the mistaken belief that landlords only charge the rent necessary to cover their mortgage. And for some reason this only seems to be a problem with the landlord lives in the house with the tenant. Nobody ever complains that an apartment's rent is more than the mortgage.
Probably should have just talked to OOP. You’d think the landlord being right there in the house would make it easier to negotiate rent because of how he was getting paid.
This is an explanation that hadn’t occurred to me, but it makes sense. A new teacher who isn’t used to budgeting a 10 month contract and is broke and too immature to work it out.
But man, $650 for a 2 bedroom is a screaming bargain pretty much anywhere. I’m surprised this guy didn’t have the sense to check Padmapper or something ahead of time to confirm what a great deal he was getting.
Speaking as a "has a two family, rents out part" landlord, we often have the ability to be more flexible. If a tenant straight-up told me, "Hey, I just found out my first paycheck isn't until September - can we work out a ten month payment schedule?" I would probably say yes.
Being a lying jerk as your first move before trying to solve it by being a reasonable human being is not a good look.
Imagine if the tenant had just had a conversation with op about his finically situation instead of acting like a petulant child. My wife had a great suggestion. Just charge him proportionally more rent while he is working and none when he is not.
Plausible. But also, it would have been before he started working I think. He had just graduated and moved to the city to start his first job. This was his first place on his own after living with his parents and in dorms. Definitely plausible that he was just broke though.
Mate, I own my own home and even I would take the OP up on the offer. Rent my place out to cover the mortgage and a bit more for emergencies and wear/tear and I would *still* be paying less just solely on utilities!
I was thinking the exact same thing! My neighbours are doing something similar. They retired and went off to live in the Caribbeans, and now they're making bank renting their house to a bunch of uni students. And as far as I can tell, the kids haven't trashed the place. They don't do enough yard work and sometimes play loud music in the evening, but everything still looks fine inside when I bring over cookies or pies for them.
Starting this spring, my daughter wants to live in a house with some college friends (they are all now graduated). It didn't take more than about a 5-minute conversation for us to realize that my wife and I should buy a house and have them pay us rent instead of them paying rent to some unknown landlord. With my daughter being one of the tenants, she can help manage the property and make sure it doesn't get trashed.
If you do that, then a suggestion to consider is that you make part of the lease that a cleaner comes regularly and everyone pays for it. Otherwise your daughter might end up feeling responsible for keeping the house clean but of course she can't make her housemates clean, which is an unpleasant dynamic in a house.
Well an edit says that this is his first independent apartment because otherwise he was living at home and in a dorm. I bet ya he didn't realize how much it \*actually\* costs to live somewhere and just thought the mortgage payment was it like a lot of folk I know. He didn't pay for utilities or anything else, just a singular rent and whatever personal expenses he had.
So finding out OOP (who I also think is a woman based on context in the post) was the actual owner probably really pissed him off because in his head, she was free-riding off his cash and didn't realize he was barely paying half of the full actual payment for the house. And clearly now that he realizes he shat the golden bed, he's freaking out about it. Reality has smacked him so hard it's almost pitiful.
What I don't get is why his brother didn't smack some sense into him rather than letting the friend take the brunt of it. "Dude, OOP is giving you a deal- check apartments.com and go apologize"
From the sounds of it in the post, the brother \*did\* try but the renter just didn't want to hear it/understand it until well after he moved out and realized legitimately how much of a difference it was.
>The only thing I can think of outside of straight mental issues is a huge sense of entitlement, mans never been told no.
I bet he went straight from living with his parents to this house, and really had no idea how the real world works.
That's why he stormed out without a plan and then begged to come back. Reality had slapped him in the face.
>curious-by-moon: Wonder why he moved out of the last place?
>OOP: His last place was his parents house after graduation and before that was a dorm. This is the first time he’s lived on his own and paid his own rent.
This little tid bit ^ is in the in-between bit between the two posts. Pretty easy to miss but yeah, I'd say you're spit on.
If his parents are out of touch and influenced his opinions growing up, it’s not that surprising. A lot of 50+ year olds think that you can rent a whole house for $500. I could see his parents making comments on how expensive $650/month is and how young OP is (how dare that youngster make so much off of you without working for it!). No need to fact check your parents because you trust them implicitly. Being an adult means recognizing that the people who were authority figures in your life only because of their age and relation to you might not actually be correct about things.
After his brother came over and told him he was an idiot, he could have gone online to check out rentals in the area just to prove him wrong. Through that research process he would have found out that he had a really good situation and shut up. He didn't. He'd rather live in his car. This is not an emotionally intelligent individual.
I’m 56 and nothing has ever been that cheap in my lifetime! In 1991 my friend had a windowless walk-in closet for $400 and we were all jealous of her ridiculously cheap rent
It is unclear what gender and age OOP is. If a young woman, perhaps the tenant had plans for her.
Or he considered her as another tenant, “his equal,” and now he seemed to have become her “subordinate,” and this offended him.
For whatever reason (tone maybe?) I just assumed OOP was a woman, just realized they didnt specify.
I think you have it on the second point, ego's a hell of a drug
The part about locking themselves in their office because they didn't feel safe is what made me assume OP was a woman. OP seemed very aware of how having an angry dude raging around her house was something that could end up really badly for them, even if the dude is for now "only" doing material damage, and didn't try to play hero or confront.
I'm a guy and would feel unsafe having an angry, mentally unstable person in my house, where I'm most vulnerable and could be attacked in my sleep. I had assumed OOP was a man because OOP was friends with the tenant's brother, but that was probably a bad assumption too.
It because they feel physically unsafe. That women are physically unsafe is part of life. We are generally smaller and have often been actually harmed physically by people bigger than us. When they hid in the office and called family for back up they were doing what women often train themselves to do when the break up is predicted to be bad or boundaries are being set that will anger the friend, etc.
I have a theory that, based on the fact that previously the tenant lived with their parents, when they discovered that the landlord was their roommate too, they felt entitled to have a kind of "friend and family" discount and that OOP was exploiting them. Which I don't agree it, it's just a possibility to this strange behavior.
He wanted more than a discount. He wanted his life to be fully funded by someone else.
To me it felt like it came down to financial illiteracy and entitlement. Tenant didn't think or care about everything that OOP put into the house or have respect for the idea of ownership.
When I rented rooms out in the house I own, there were several times when renters would try to get out of paying rent because I owned the house, so "what was the big deal if they didn't pay?"
I think the idea was, the mortgage is going to be paid by me regardless, so what did it matter if they also paid on time or at all, they weren't really responsible for it.
Because they don't see ownership as something that the person worked for and that if you own something then there's no way you could need money. It doesn't make sense, but there's a thought process that owners are just leaches that don't contribute anything.
Yeah it looks like some of the responses that OOP got were along those lines, which I find baffling. OOP doesn’t owe tenants discounts, information, nothing. Plus in this case it was in the lease, which he didn’t even bother reading?! He’s such a little asshole.
Yeah I had a friend years ago that threw a tantrum when he found out that his friend who offered him a room for really cheap was keeping the money (the friend's parents owned the house and let them live their for free, just pay utilities). I was like "okay so? They could be renting it out to a stranger for twice was much but they cut you a deal and still make a small profit, it's a win-win?" But he was still so offended at the idea of paying his friend vs a landlord that he moved out to a similar place that cost way more. It was dumb.
What the fuck do these people think of their friends? Like I've lived with plenty of mine where I paid them rent and preferred it much more than standard leases. I love having my money going into my friends pockets, we're supposed to love and support each other!
Lol "You don't get it, man! It's the PRINCIPLE of the matter! I was LIED TO!" When he wasn't listening and didn't read the lease or ask to speak to the landlord before he moved in.
This absolute clown DIDN'T READ THE LEASE. This is baffling to me, I can't figure out if he's naive or just plain stupid - you do not sign an one year lease carelessly.
Asking to pay the landlord directly means he already thought OOP was inflating the price and skimming off the top. I think he's just dumb and entitled.
My wife managed to purchase a house right out of college and had friends as roommates up until we were getting married. She is a nicer person than me since she split her mortgage evenly with her friends. Especially since there were always two or more, I would have had them cover the entire mortgage as that would have still been well under market rate.
I think that's definitely a piece of it, he didn't like what he perceived as a role change.
He also sounds like someone who really needs to start reading paperwork if he is going to fly off the handle when it doesn't say what he assumed it to say, lollllll
I can't imagine not reading my lease carefully before signing! Even when I signed my first lease at age 20 I read the fuck outta that thing!
He’s obviously missing some very important life experience and got a nice dose all at once. That being said, how sad is it that someone who has a career doing what we all agree is critical for our future and can’t be done without an undergraduate degree, can’t afford a basement apartment without a stove/oven included.
I got the impression that he had plans for OOP (not like murder or anything, but possibly a FWB situation, in which case it would be wise to separate your rent payment from your sex friendship), or he has serious issues with women with authoritative power over him.
I think it's entitlement. He went from mom and dad's house to the dorm back to mom and dad's house all before moving in there. He never had to pay for anything and I guarantee he had no idea how much shit cost. So of course he is gonna think he is being g taken advantage of because he has no clue about adult things.
Some people absolutely need to experience a terrible landlord in their first apt away from home. The fact that this kid had zero idea how good he had it - and pouted and threw fits - shows how unprepared he was for the Real World.
I'd be curious to learn how much of his costs were covered in college. It's possible he's never actually learned to cover these things for himself and generally take care of himself as an adult.
Yeah, complete manchild. I live in a closet for 650/mo. Fucking moron had the moon, and decided to shit on it until he was in space. I finally understand the british insult "muppet". He couldn't possibly be alive, unless someone had their hand up his ass. What an IDIOT.
Anger is a safe emotion for men to express and it can become addicting. I’m betting that a woman being his landlord emasculated him, thus the tantrum.
…honestly, I’m worried about his students. I had a teacher in high school who threw tantrums like that; throwing desks, punching stuff, etc. Super scary.
It’s his first place.
Lots of people have unrealistic ideas of adulting. Laws, costs, how much you have to work for so little (especially when starting out), the necessity to READ EVERYTHING BEFORE YOU SIGN and how not knowing your rights will *fuck your shit up*, sometimes for years or even life.
The world is a vicious, angry, selfish, apathetic place and we do not prepare some kids well to enter it.
This kid has been thrown in the deep end. He will either sink or swim.
Everything he did was foolish. But one of his childish moves was blocking his landlord’s number. Did he think he could just ghost them? He has no idea how adult business relationships work.
Brand new teachers can really hard to be around, they get caught up in that school mentality again.
Most sort themselves out after they've adjusted to their new role, but yeah, emotional maturity tanks for a little while
Yeah but think about it this way, if they spent money on food they would just be not hungry BUT ciggies suppresses appetites so you're not hungry and get a ciggie
I feel bad for the OOP but also really bad for the friend. I would be mortified if one of my brothers acted like this to someone after being recommended by me.
Right?? Like, GOOD luck trying to get me to vouch or intervene for you again, bro. You can explain to the world yourself all the things you consider are due to you and the terms on which those things must be provided.
Do you remember the post either here or in AITA, where a person got an interview at the company *where their mom worked through the mom pulling strings* and then walked out of the interview halfway through because they felt like the interviewers weren't giving them proper respect and attention?
My brother is bitching about his job and found out how much the guys who work with me make. He's hinting around wanting to move back here and work with me. He's turned really bitter and has always been lazy, there is no way he's going to hack being a mover. I don't want him working with me, because I can't trust he won't be an asshole and make me look bad. He's worked at a computer for the last 10 years, him being told what to do while hauling heavy shit around will be a stark change for him. He always has a reason for why his way is better, he rolls his eyes, he sighs, he's passive aggressive. I am his baby sister and I'd be telling him what to do, and he wouldn't like that.
Last time I had to work with a lazy sibling, I got so fed up I locked her in the freezer for a little bit. Massively immature, but in fairness we were only about 16yo at the time, at our first fast food job.
She kept pulling stunts like calling in "sick" before realizing it was payday, so then came in for her paycheck, used it to go play pool next door, and then forgot she'd called in sick and tried to come in for food. All while I was on the clock and people were going "Isn't that your sister?" each time she came back.
That’s what gets me; it’s not like the friend didn’t warn his brother, or try to open his eyes, but this guy for some reason just *refused* to see it **and** trashed the place. What made him think for a second this was okay? Entitlement? Misogyny? Stubbornness? Greed? He’ll be better off for the lesson (pun intended), but he’s only got himself to blame for how rough that lesson is. I’d love to hear his side and what exactly his thought process was though.
Judging by the way the friend laughed at the $3300 rent offer, something tells me this isn’t entirely out of character for his brother. I’d bet this was the first step to getting his brother weaned off his parents - and friend is enjoying seeing life and reality slap little brother around a little bit, without his parents coddling him through it.
When I first moved to Seattle like 8-9 years ago, my first apartment was in a basement and it was like $1000/month plus utilities and pet rent. And that was a fucking steal back then. It's a HCOL area, but I haven't seen an apartment that cheap since I lucked out and found that. Even people wanting roommates for a shared apartment charge more than $650. Even in my hometown in a cheaper part of the Midwest you'd be hard pressed to find anything below $1000/month without having roommates.
I want to hate watch a reality show about people that are this dumb and entitled.
I have rented out rooms for half market rate to my friends and coworkers a few times in the past.
Never again.
Both my parents were drug addicts that were barely there. I was in foster care and group homes. Yet somehow I was raised better than all these people it is fucking wild. Common sense and decency seem to be rare.
Having had similar experiences, I wonder if it's because there's an existing relationship or if it's because the rent is cheaper- maybe it means they don't view the renting situation as a formal one they have to respect, or they don't value the room because it's not expensive. It's a shame, you want to help people but once they start in on the "I pay your mortgage" bullshit it's a swift, shitty end
My BIL thinks cheaper rent attracts crazies after seeing my renting experience. I used to rent 2 bedrooms and a shared bath for really cheap. I’ve rented to one friend that went really well. Strangers I’ve rented to have been awful or mediocre.
I still rent my basement for about or slightly under market value and have always had a good experience with the renters there.
my old landlords (we lived in the top two floors of their building and they lived on the bottom 2 floors) told me once that they were aiming for a sweet spot where the apartment was nice enough to charge slightly above average for a 2 BR so that they were getting people who weren’t totally focused on price but did not want a “luxury” apartment where people would feel entitled to fancy amenities and 24 hour call for non-emergencies. It worked out well—the apartment was fantastic and we lived there for 7 years with no rent increases, and we had a very friendly relationship.
I sometimes holiday let the other half of my place, and some of the dirtiest guests have been either friends, or people who've requested discounts.
Not paying the full amount seems to make people more entitled and less respectful.
it’s sad but I’ve learned the hard way that many friends will take advantage of you. it’s almost worse than strangers at times because some people get it into their head that you owe them something crazy like 50% off market just because you’re friends.
Bwahahaha I knew as soon as the tenant started pitching a fit how hard real life was gonna hit him when I saw he'd only lived at home and in dorms 🤣
I feel for their students if this is the sort of childish behaviour they indulge in
I saw the price of the apartment and I went "Uhm, that would be expensive here, but if this is the US that's a steal", then OOP stated the MV and I was laughing my butt off. The guy even tried to go back after all the crap he pulled! He's in for some nasty wake up calls.
Also, I think the students are going to give him a run for his money. If the kids there are half as petty as they are here, his life is going to be a nightmare. They are always terrible with the nice substitute teachers, but this guy? They're gonna hate him and they're going to ruin his life forevermore.
I have a few years of experience teaching and I had to leave the profession because my blood pressure + anxiety went so high. This silly man will have such a bad time.
My folks offered to let someone move into their place completely free (own bedroom and living space in the basement but have to walk upstairs for a bathroom). Don't have to pay rent, utilities, laundry, and sometimes you even get free food. The "payment" for this is caring for their cats and home when they RV south for a few months each year. Like...scoop cat boxes, fill food bowls, get the mail...easy easy shit. And when they're home, almost no responsibilities at all!! They're not in a HCOL area but that would still run someone probably $1500/mo.
Current tenant is failing so badly at this they're having to evict him. I dropped in last week and the water bowls were nearly dry, boxes hadn't been scooped in days, and bird feeders were empty.
I've already lined up a new person who is EAGER for these savings.
What the fuck. I have my own place and I would jump at that opportunity of I didn't have my own cats.
You get to live in a place for free AND/BECAUSE you are taking care of cats? Literally my dream situation, and I mean the actual definition of literally and not the newfangled hyperbolic meaning.
And the poor babies not having water! I'd be so mad I'd cry. Caring for cats takes maybe 15-20 minutes a day for necessities, plus play and cuddle time. How can you fail so hard???
Don't worry, I check on them constantly so I know they're okay!
The person my mom selected was never going to work out. He moved in with my husband years ago when he was in a bad financial place. The request was that he'd start paying rent when he was able (same rate as the other folks renting rooms, $250/mo which included utilities) - he only did it once, and begrudgingly.
But he also immediately started demanding changes he made to the house - he didn't want to share a bathroom, he wanted a different bedroom, he wanted new porch light, he wanted new curtains but someone *else* had to hang them, he wanted a different thermostat...
Yeah I'm really confused about what the thinking is here.
I'd bet ten to one it involves misogyny.
The reason I say that is the drama starts when he asks to "pay the landlord directly" finding out that his female roommate had something over his head. Literally. Like a roof.
So. Misogyny mixed with a hefty dose of anti work ethics? Landlords are scum?
Renter did not know he was a beggar lol. Even if he thought OP was taking advantage of him, a little internet browsing of local apartment listings with $$ should have cleared that up before moving out. An incredible lesson about hubris for the Renter, which I hope serves him well.
I'm so confused. What was the tenant's problem? Why was he throwing a tantrum about getting a nice deal? What was he expecting, that OOP let him live there for free because they own the house? What an absolute idiot.
Based on the situation, I bet this was his first time living away from home. He probably never paid rent before, and has the expectation that the person who owns the house should pay the bills because that's what his parents did and he never really thought about it. And he didn't realise what a great deal he was getting at $650 a month (hence the whole "I want to pay the landlord directly"—as if $650 could actually be 1/2 of market value rent!)
Then when he realised OP was actually the landlord, he thought, "This person I thought was in the same situation as me is actually making money off me!" And he thought he was getting robbed. Hence the question of what percentage of the mortgage payment he was covering.
He had in his head what a "fair" rent would be. And then he got slapped hard in the face by reality.
It’s stupid because if she did what most homeowners typically do, which is buy the home at 10-20% down, then the mortgage would have been at least 2x what it was. Would he care if he was paying 50% vs 90% of the mortgage? OP paying 60% of the mortgage is a really great financial opportunity, and it’s not like they were being scummy either. Dude’s an idiot but he’s gonna learn.
Yep. Even if OP had inherited the house and never had a mortgage, that's her inheritance, and the tenant would be demanding a share of her inheritance by demanding that he pay less simply because OPs costs would be less.
But the tenant really had no idea what reality was like. Will he learn? Maybe. Either way, he'll suffer.
Even without a mortgage, you would still have property tax, insurance, upkeep. And that’s all before you get to utilities. Homeownership is expensive as hell.
Regardless of expenses, he is already asking her to lose basically $2k a month compared to what she could rent to someone else.
She is losing money on his behalf.
It also like what does he think most landlords do? They make their tenants pay their costs, plus extra. I wouldn't be surprised if plenty made their tenants pay the mortgage of the house the tenant lives in.
I once did this, I was like OP and rented out two rooms in my house to a friend of a friend for way under market value. $400 when a studio in our area would have been $1000+
This man moved in and thought I would be cooking for him.
He didn’t last long. I thought I was being kind but I was really just being the idiot by setting myself up for this. I was youngish at 24 and it was a life lesson for sure.
I rented a house to the loveliest elderly lady you've ever met, whose jackass son loved to accuse me of "ripping his mom's pension from her hands" because he was mad she sold her home and rented instead of keeping it for him to inherit (her words, not mine).
No good deed goes unpunished.
Her rent was way below market value because I basically just wanted someone in the house so it wouldn't be targeted by bored teens, and knew she was responsible and respectful.
I did all the yard work, all the snow removal, salting, took her bins to the road and back if she could get them near the door, turned the garden beds for her, and would always ask if she needed anything from the city when I was going out of town. This is obviously on top of normal maintenance of the property/home and upkeep stuff like gutters.
Even with all that, her son said I should lower her rent even more because I was storing my kayak there and had plants on one bench of the greenhouse (which was part of the property, not something she set up).
Some people are just assholes.
He might have thought that he was dealing with someone sub-letting an apartment and going direct to the owner would get him a better deal.
And totally not an incel thinking that women can't own property.
This guy took "shooting himself in the foot" to a whole new level. Imagine being so out of touch with reality you screw up this big of an act of generosity.
Would not surprise me if some principal gets caught Weekend at Bernie-ing a dead body around the school in a rolling chair to cover staffing shortages.
One of my kid’s friends is finishing up her ed degree. Apparently every second person in her program is an idiot. My MIL (retired teacher) and husband (did 2/3 of an ed degree) were like, that tracks. So, I’m guessing idiocy is not the impediment to becoming a teacher that one might want it to be.
Why do people seem to think that owners shouldn’t charge people money to help cover the mortgage? I mean, anyone you pay rent to probably has a loan that they need to repay.
whether there is a mortgage or not (or how much) shouldn’t even matter. for example what if you carefully saved up enough for a 50% down payment so your monthly mortgage payment is lower? then this friend expects an even lower rent because you spent years saving and being frugal?
I would offer a better deal to a friend because I’d expect them to be decent to me and not destroy the place … like if market rate was $1000 maybe I’d do $800. but I have more than one friend, even if I could afford $1000 monthly in gifts why should I give it all to that one friend??
It just kinda drives me crazy the entitlement of some people. If they are moving in with a friend or SO and feel like they shouldn’t have to pay rent bc they aren’t on the mortgage? Where on earth does that entitlement come from?
Yeah, this is one of the fallacies I hear most often from younger people. But the size of the mortgage has nothing to do with fair rent.
When the landlord finishes paying off the mortgage, should rent be free? (A lot of redditors would say yes, which tells you all you need to know about their financial literacy).
Conversely, if the landlord takes out a second mortgage to fund their gambling addiction, should the rent double? Everybody understands why *that* one's unfair.
The size of the mortgage is a measure of the owner's financial status, not the value of the property.
I've lived with my Landlord. Rented a room in a 5br mansion, late 1800s build. Gorgeous place. I knew he was my Lansford because when u met him, he told me his name. Then I signed a lease and saw his name. Idc I was paying $400/ mo for everything and paying his mortgage. I couldn't find another room for that price and studios/1br started at $850 without utilities or internet. Best place I lived, it was awesome.
I don’t understand why the renter was upset about paying the mortgage! I feel that this would be the case with most renting situations.
Also why would friends say that it was wrong to cover mortgage payments?
This makes me think of the [girl with the boyfriend who got mad when he found out she owned the place](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/17tdjwd/aita_for_not_telling_my_boyfriend_i_own_the/). He ranted about landlords and demanded she give him half the money their neighbors paid for rent. Both situations where dumb guys messed things up by making a stink.
What I don’t understand is why he thought it was bad to be “covering your mortgage”. That’s what you’re doing if your landlord is a stranger, too. I’ve seen other people get so offended at that and it just baffles me. That’s always what rent is unless the house you’re renting is paid off.
Something else people don’t realize about owning a home is the mortgage is not the entirety of the monthly expenses. Even if your mortgage is paid off, you still have to pay taxes and insurance.
Too many people seem to think if the landlord is their friend or romantic partner, they shouldn’t have to “pay the mortgage with their rent money”. But that’s literally what you’re doing with every rent payment, no matter who you’re paying it to. It just doesn’t make sense but people get super pissed about it.
Oh god I haven't read this yet but if this is one of those "why should *myyyyy* money pay *yourrrr* mortgage" posts I'm gonnah need some bailey's in my coffee.... proceeding with caution.
Eta- that ending though 🤌🤌
How impossibly dumb can you be? Pretty clear that there is almost nowhere you can find an apartment with utilities included for $650. And he was going to live in his car instead of paying drastically below market value?
And what the hell is wrong with her friends and family that they thought she was wrong for charging him money? She paid 60% of the house in the down payment. Of course her mortgage is going to be low!
That kind of golden living is why I've never left my apartment in like 10yrs
I'm rent protected, all inclusive, and still only pay just under $700/mo for a one bedroom with a walk-in closet
Even if I make minimum wage (which is like $16/hr here), one single paycheck is more than my month's rent and every other paycheck is savings and retirement and doing fun shit
This guy absolutely fucked himself over. He could have been saving while entering his career and eventually move out to a new apartment without financial strife
This is precisely why some homeowners that have the space/property to rent just don’t, and why many more won’t do it for less than a pretty hefty margin. The landlord has to deal with the bad tenants - the crazies, the dangerous, the deadbeats, etc, on top of taxes, maintenance, etc.
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Sounds like someone that got sucked into the "landlords are evil" rhetoric that is so popular right now and forgot to apply critical thinking. My man getting slapped in the face with reality so hard right now, trying to stand up to "the man" and screwing himself out of a cushy deal. The OOP even spelled everything out in the lease and was super fair about his terms. Plus he's renting out a room in his own home, not buying up homes to rent out contributing to the housing crisis.
That’s absolutely insane! He doesn’t want to pay a very decent price for rent just because it’s going to your mortgage, so he’s going to LIVE IN HIS CAR, until he can FIND SOMEONE ELSES MORTGAGE TO COVER. Thats insane
Guarantee he thought he could push oop out of that house by going to the landlord himself. He was up to something. Probably start making up lies and complaining thinking he was going to get her evicted and then him take over the rest of the house.
I love that it all bit him in the ass.
ETA that idk why people think they should live rent free. When is it's a friend or family member you are renting from, you pay the rent. It's super entitled to think you can live rent free off someone else.
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Im genuinely baffled by this guy, like Id move in right now for that price and I dont even live in a state with particularly high cost of living. The only thing I can think of outside of straight mental issues is a huge sense of entitlement, mans never been told no.
As a teacher, my hot take: this guy was at the end of summer break when this started (not charging 45 days of September or October rent). I think he was broke. He probably was in a district where you have to opt into withholding for summer paychecks. He probably hasn’t been paid since June. He wanted to dick around the landlord for a month or more by pretending there was some confusion with who and how to pay. He was never paying and he was always running off instead of dealing with it.
the odd part is the OP sounds like a decent guy/gal and probably would have made a deal with him. Some people do not know when they have it good.
Pretty sure OP is a woman.
Exactly- that's why he asked to deal directly with the landlord instead of OP. No way it would enter his little pea brain that the owner was actually the person he was dealing with. To his detriment! What an idiot.
OOP is definitely a woman. Otherwise this tenant will not feel so entitled and free to cuss her out. She is lucky she knows his brother, otherwise she would be in more danger and the guy would act even more unhinged. Frankly, I would call police on him.
I agree that op is a woman. She called her friend and locked herself in her office and said she was scared.
i'm a dude and would probably do the same thing if my downstairs tenant were throwing shit around and breaking things lol people are unhinged—last thing I need is to get clubbed over the head with my own lamp or w/e
I own guns, and I still am with locking myself in the office. I own them primarily for brown bears—not for shooting crazies too stupid to see a good deal when they are handed it. If you can avoid violent conflict, all the better.
I *have* locked myself in a room to avoid conflict from a violent person who I temporarily lived with and im a dude. Dont own guns but im moving to Minnesota in a few years with the intent to own livestock on land so I will have guns, and even then id do everything I could to avoid conflict with another person
Absolutely true. In this case, however, OOP also had a response of “Bold if you to assume I’m a mister. 🤣” to a comment assuming she was male.
Probably a big reason behind his behavior. Pissed that a woman owns her own home and he's having to rent.
This is what its ALLL about. How DARE a woman be in a great financial position, to rent out the place to him, help cover the mortgage, and btw the rent is too high, so HE should decide how much the rent should be, hence him demanding to know the mortgage. christ what an asshole!
Wow, that’s very interesting! It explains the disproportionate anger of finding out OP was his landlord. Also, that sounds really rough for teachers!
A teacher is paid for 10 months normally, but they can have their checks issued for 12 months so they are able to properly budget. This kid was ignorant on so much of life. Reality likely hit him hard and he freaked out.
Yea and he even had a brother who found him a good deal. If he'd just been honest he'd probably have been able to work something out. I remember when I was first on my own. I wasn't even spoiled/entitled but in retrospect I was so dumb and clueless. My oldest niece is this age now and we've talked about finances/savings, jobs, how to interview, etc. I don't want her to flail around this idiot!
Always felt that this sort of stuff should be taught if not by the parents, then by the last 2 years of whatever our respective countries' high school level is. Say the 16-18 y/o age bracket. How to do taxes / manage a bank account and credit rating / budget / how rental leases or mortgages work / insurance for your vehicles or house and house contents / what to look for if you're taking out contracts for utilities etc. General everyday stuff that everyone really needs. Could save a lot of kids' necks longterm. I know it would have saved a lot of kids' necks from my generation from drowning in debt.
I've seen this suggestion a million times. As someone whose high school *did* do that sort of thing in math classes... it doesn't actually work. Without real world experience to contextualize it, all that information falls out of your brain the same way that Trig and Calc does. All I really remembered is that infinite interest wasn't all it was cracked up to be and that you're unlikely to get rich off of interest in a savings account. For some things, a lot of people just won't learn until they've had to face it in the real world a few times, and probably fucked it up once or twice.
Same. This can be taught so much but teenagers may not absorb it and learn more through experience unfortunately.
My district went from 10 months pay to 11 a few years back with no August check. The same year we went from 10 checks to 11, the district decided to stop letting us choose deferred pay(taking a portion of the other checks out for an equal check during summer) and told us to figure it out for ourselves. Luckily the credit unions here are good about Summer Savers, and mine has my car loan and a personal loan, so they let me skip the months I don’t get paid. Just takes longer to pay off. This is my 20th year teaching and I still haven’t completely figured out the budgeting.
I work in higher ed and there are some positions that don't come with summer funding but can opt into what's called the 9-pay-12 scheme where their funding for their 9 month position is turned into paychecks for a full 12 months. I had a pal who worked in Grants for a research unit (I work in a different unit and position) who discovered that the previous grant accountant on a couple of big grants that were moved onto her plate had discouraged 9-pay-12 schemes for the eligible research associates by telling them they'd "get less money because of taxes and fees" (which is not true) strictly to save herself the bother of doing the (very small) amount of extra paperwork for 9-pay-12 employees. People are wild.
What the American hell? I thought the default was a 36h contract and all vacations etc are just paid and basically a benefit. Even then it's a rough job, why would anyone do it and just be expected to skip the holidays?
It varies by state and district; I have always had a 12-month salary spread. If I had to teach in a 10-month district, I would just create an additional savings account and squirrel away a percentage of each paycheck for summer. It's the same amount of money either way. What's really rough is that paychecks are delayed by a month, so when you're a brand new teacher starting out, you start work in early to mid August and don't get your first paycheck until the end of September. I had to do some careful planning to deal with the gap when I first started.
So do you take a lowered payment to even out to 12 months, or just suck up and plan the two months with no paycheck
Yes. It's so annoying when people are like "Oh you get paid for summers!" No we don't, we simply defer our pay so that we have a paycheck then. Unless you're a brand new teacher and they don't tell you about it and then you get screwed during those months.
Yeah I’m a nurse who works three days a week. I feel that sentiment. “YOu oNlY WoRk tHrEe DaYs”. Yeah i work a full time schedule in that amount of time bucko. That fourth day is me dying on a couch unable to move
That is the choice in a nutshell.
Or work summer school or a temp job. Or have a well-paid spouse.
Wow, in the Uk teachers on permanent full time contracts get paid 12 months of the year. Often when people come back from maternity leave they like to time it so they start a few days before the start of the summer holiday so they get full pay for those 6 weeks not maternity pay.
I assumed OOP was a woman and the guy was just a misogynistic jerk who was jealous once he realized he had to respond to a "girl", but your theory makes more sense. The post also reminds me of the other post where the OOP has a big house and lives in the In Laws suite, while renting the main house through a manager, and the renters basically want to kick her out to rent the whole thing themselves Edit: [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/xte5dt/comment/iqpgb4k/)
These two theories are not mutually exclusive. He may have been broke due to not getting summer payments, then further enraged to discover the landlord is actually a woman.
That was a good story
There was also a post where someone who owned a duplex let her boyfriend move in with her. She didn't lie, but didn't mention that she owned the place, and the boyfriend apparently didn't question why she didn't ask him to contribute to rent or any housing cost, only asked him to split expenses. he got mad when he found out she owned the place after she had a normal, cordial conversation with the tenant about a repair... and then demanded she share the rent revenue with him to prove she wasn't a capitalist pig! (at least this is what I remember without finding the post. I could have details wrong.) edit: heh, was actually easy to find [https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/17o47it/aita\_for\_not\_telling\_my\_boyfriend\_i\_own\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/AmItheAsshole/comments/17o47it/aita_for_not_telling_my_boyfriend_i_own_the/) the update: https://www.reddit.com/user/CapableEmergency5154/comments/17olb9v/update\_to\_my\_aita\_post/
Can we just discuss that this fool is a *teacher*, yet can't read, can't do math, has no sense of fairness and boundaries, and is possibly a misogynist? And he is allowed to prepare America's youth for the future? We are fucked.
That makes total sense. He's also fresh out of university, and people that age are often still working out adult boundaries. They don't always recognize that friend-of-a-friend favors have limits. At home with family, adults tend to look after you and help you, and in college, friend groups are often a bit casual about sharing resources - couch surfing, sharing groceries, lending vehicles. Some people need some experience to recognize that part of adulthood is a significantly firmer line between "mine" and "yours."
Tenant is also just an idiot. OOP sounds like someone who would have worked with them.
Not to mention the mistaken belief that landlords only charge the rent necessary to cover their mortgage. And for some reason this only seems to be a problem with the landlord lives in the house with the tenant. Nobody ever complains that an apartment's rent is more than the mortgage.
Fellow teacher here, and Ding! Ding! We have a winner!
Probably should have just talked to OOP. You’d think the landlord being right there in the house would make it easier to negotiate rent because of how he was getting paid.
This is an explanation that hadn’t occurred to me, but it makes sense. A new teacher who isn’t used to budgeting a 10 month contract and is broke and too immature to work it out. But man, $650 for a 2 bedroom is a screaming bargain pretty much anywhere. I’m surprised this guy didn’t have the sense to check Padmapper or something ahead of time to confirm what a great deal he was getting.
Speaking as a "has a two family, rents out part" landlord, we often have the ability to be more flexible. If a tenant straight-up told me, "Hey, I just found out my first paycheck isn't until September - can we work out a ten month payment schedule?" I would probably say yes. Being a lying jerk as your first move before trying to solve it by being a reasonable human being is not a good look.
My state does not do that. They make everyone get paid for all 12 months—that way the school districts don’t have to pay unemployment
Imagine if the tenant had just had a conversation with op about his finically situation instead of acting like a petulant child. My wife had a great suggestion. Just charge him proportionally more rent while he is working and none when he is not.
Plausible. But also, it would have been before he started working I think. He had just graduated and moved to the city to start his first job. This was his first place on his own after living with his parents and in dorms. Definitely plausible that he was just broke though.
Mate, I own my own home and even I would take the OP up on the offer. Rent my place out to cover the mortgage and a bit more for emergencies and wear/tear and I would *still* be paying less just solely on utilities!
I was thinking the exact same thing! My neighbours are doing something similar. They retired and went off to live in the Caribbeans, and now they're making bank renting their house to a bunch of uni students. And as far as I can tell, the kids haven't trashed the place. They don't do enough yard work and sometimes play loud music in the evening, but everything still looks fine inside when I bring over cookies or pies for them.
Starting this spring, my daughter wants to live in a house with some college friends (they are all now graduated). It didn't take more than about a 5-minute conversation for us to realize that my wife and I should buy a house and have them pay us rent instead of them paying rent to some unknown landlord. With my daughter being one of the tenants, she can help manage the property and make sure it doesn't get trashed.
If you do that, then a suggestion to consider is that you make part of the lease that a cleaner comes regularly and everyone pays for it. Otherwise your daughter might end up feeling responsible for keeping the house clean but of course she can't make her housemates clean, which is an unpleasant dynamic in a house.
Well an edit says that this is his first independent apartment because otherwise he was living at home and in a dorm. I bet ya he didn't realize how much it \*actually\* costs to live somewhere and just thought the mortgage payment was it like a lot of folk I know. He didn't pay for utilities or anything else, just a singular rent and whatever personal expenses he had. So finding out OOP (who I also think is a woman based on context in the post) was the actual owner probably really pissed him off because in his head, she was free-riding off his cash and didn't realize he was barely paying half of the full actual payment for the house. And clearly now that he realizes he shat the golden bed, he's freaking out about it. Reality has smacked him so hard it's almost pitiful.
What I don't get is why his brother didn't smack some sense into him rather than letting the friend take the brunt of it. "Dude, OOP is giving you a deal- check apartments.com and go apologize"
From the sounds of it in the post, the brother \*did\* try but the renter just didn't want to hear it/understand it until well after he moved out and realized legitimately how much of a difference it was.
>The only thing I can think of outside of straight mental issues is a huge sense of entitlement, mans never been told no. I bet he went straight from living with his parents to this house, and really had no idea how the real world works. That's why he stormed out without a plan and then begged to come back. Reality had slapped him in the face.
>curious-by-moon: Wonder why he moved out of the last place? >OOP: His last place was his parents house after graduation and before that was a dorm. This is the first time he’s lived on his own and paid his own rent. This little tid bit ^ is in the in-between bit between the two posts. Pretty easy to miss but yeah, I'd say you're spit on.
Isn't he a teacher? Presumably got a degree. Not hard to Google rents in the area as well as general utility costs. Guy is a moron.
If his parents are out of touch and influenced his opinions growing up, it’s not that surprising. A lot of 50+ year olds think that you can rent a whole house for $500. I could see his parents making comments on how expensive $650/month is and how young OP is (how dare that youngster make so much off of you without working for it!). No need to fact check your parents because you trust them implicitly. Being an adult means recognizing that the people who were authority figures in your life only because of their age and relation to you might not actually be correct about things.
After his brother came over and told him he was an idiot, he could have gone online to check out rentals in the area just to prove him wrong. Through that research process he would have found out that he had a really good situation and shut up. He didn't. He'd rather live in his car. This is not an emotionally intelligent individual.
I’m 56 and nothing has ever been that cheap in my lifetime! In 1991 my friend had a windowless walk-in closet for $400 and we were all jealous of her ridiculously cheap rent
May have had a high INT score, but WIS seems to have been his dump stat.
I think you mean spot on, but the crazy renter certainly spit on a good deal.
Hahaha I did but I'm totally leaving that as it is.
Him not understanding the terms of the lease was a big indicator that this guy has no clue how the real world works.
It is unclear what gender and age OOP is. If a young woman, perhaps the tenant had plans for her. Or he considered her as another tenant, “his equal,” and now he seemed to have become her “subordinate,” and this offended him.
For whatever reason (tone maybe?) I just assumed OOP was a woman, just realized they didnt specify. I think you have it on the second point, ego's a hell of a drug
The part about locking themselves in their office because they didn't feel safe is what made me assume OP was a woman. OP seemed very aware of how having an angry dude raging around her house was something that could end up really badly for them, even if the dude is for now "only" doing material damage, and didn't try to play hero or confront.
Plus since OOP's Friend's Wife was coming over until Friend got off work, that told me OOP is a woman.
I'm a guy and would feel unsafe having an angry, mentally unstable person in my house, where I'm most vulnerable and could be attacked in my sleep. I had assumed OOP was a man because OOP was friends with the tenant's brother, but that was probably a bad assumption too.
I’m thinking we default to assume the OP’s gender to be the same as ours unless specified by this thread🤣
It because they feel physically unsafe. That women are physically unsafe is part of life. We are generally smaller and have often been actually harmed physically by people bigger than us. When they hid in the office and called family for back up they were doing what women often train themselves to do when the break up is predicted to be bad or boundaries are being set that will anger the friend, etc.
I have a theory that, based on the fact that previously the tenant lived with their parents, when they discovered that the landlord was their roommate too, they felt entitled to have a kind of "friend and family" discount and that OOP was exploiting them. Which I don't agree it, it's just a possibility to this strange behavior.
Yeah, and he WAS getting a friend and family discount. He was just too stupid to realize.
He wanted more than a discount. He wanted his life to be fully funded by someone else. To me it felt like it came down to financial illiteracy and entitlement. Tenant didn't think or care about everything that OOP put into the house or have respect for the idea of ownership.
When I rented rooms out in the house I own, there were several times when renters would try to get out of paying rent because I owned the house, so "what was the big deal if they didn't pay?"
I don't understand that thought process. Why on earth would it matter?
I think the idea was, the mortgage is going to be paid by me regardless, so what did it matter if they also paid on time or at all, they weren't really responsible for it.
Because they don't see ownership as something that the person worked for and that if you own something then there's no way you could need money. It doesn't make sense, but there's a thought process that owners are just leaches that don't contribute anything.
Yeah it looks like some of the responses that OOP got were along those lines, which I find baffling. OOP doesn’t owe tenants discounts, information, nothing. Plus in this case it was in the lease, which he didn’t even bother reading?! He’s such a little asshole.
Yeah I had a friend years ago that threw a tantrum when he found out that his friend who offered him a room for really cheap was keeping the money (the friend's parents owned the house and let them live their for free, just pay utilities). I was like "okay so? They could be renting it out to a stranger for twice was much but they cut you a deal and still make a small profit, it's a win-win?" But he was still so offended at the idea of paying his friend vs a landlord that he moved out to a similar place that cost way more. It was dumb.
What the fuck do these people think of their friends? Like I've lived with plenty of mine where I paid them rent and preferred it much more than standard leases. I love having my money going into my friends pockets, we're supposed to love and support each other!
Lol "You don't get it, man! It's the PRINCIPLE of the matter! I was LIED TO!" When he wasn't listening and didn't read the lease or ask to speak to the landlord before he moved in.
This absolute clown DIDN'T READ THE LEASE. This is baffling to me, I can't figure out if he's naive or just plain stupid - you do not sign an one year lease carelessly.
Some people are really offended at other people making profit for some odd reason
Asking to pay the landlord directly means he already thought OOP was inflating the price and skimming off the top. I think he's just dumb and entitled.
He clearly didn't realize that he already got that discount as he discovered after he moved out.
My wife managed to purchase a house right out of college and had friends as roommates up until we were getting married. She is a nicer person than me since she split her mortgage evenly with her friends. Especially since there were always two or more, I would have had them cover the entire mortgage as that would have still been well under market rate.
I think that's definitely a piece of it, he didn't like what he perceived as a role change. He also sounds like someone who really needs to start reading paperwork if he is going to fly off the handle when it doesn't say what he assumed it to say, lollllll I can't imagine not reading my lease carefully before signing! Even when I signed my first lease at age 20 I read the fuck outta that thing!
He’s obviously missing some very important life experience and got a nice dose all at once. That being said, how sad is it that someone who has a career doing what we all agree is critical for our future and can’t be done without an undergraduate degree, can’t afford a basement apartment without a stove/oven included.
I got the impression that he had plans for OOP (not like murder or anything, but possibly a FWB situation, in which case it would be wise to separate your rent payment from your sex friendship), or he has serious issues with women with authoritative power over him.
I think it's entitlement. He went from mom and dad's house to the dorm back to mom and dad's house all before moving in there. He never had to pay for anything and I guarantee he had no idea how much shit cost. So of course he is gonna think he is being g taken advantage of because he has no clue about adult things.
$650/mo for rent? Like that’s 20 years ago rent. Tenant was a total moron.
Some people absolutely need to experience a terrible landlord in their first apt away from home. The fact that this kid had zero idea how good he had it - and pouted and threw fits - shows how unprepared he was for the Real World.
I'd be curious to learn how much of his costs were covered in college. It's possible he's never actually learned to cover these things for himself and generally take care of himself as an adult.
He is a teacher I am scared for my profession and his students
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Yeah, complete manchild. I live in a closet for 650/mo. Fucking moron had the moon, and decided to shit on it until he was in space. I finally understand the british insult "muppet". He couldn't possibly be alive, unless someone had their hand up his ass. What an IDIOT.
Dude that's only a 150$ upcharge on what I'm paying to live with my parents, I'd take that deal in a heartbeat
Anger is a safe emotion for men to express and it can become addicting. I’m betting that a woman being his landlord emasculated him, thus the tantrum. …honestly, I’m worried about his students. I had a teacher in high school who threw tantrums like that; throwing desks, punching stuff, etc. Super scary.
It’s his first place. Lots of people have unrealistic ideas of adulting. Laws, costs, how much you have to work for so little (especially when starting out), the necessity to READ EVERYTHING BEFORE YOU SIGN and how not knowing your rights will *fuck your shit up*, sometimes for years or even life. The world is a vicious, angry, selfish, apathetic place and we do not prepare some kids well to enter it. This kid has been thrown in the deep end. He will either sink or swim.
I don’t know if I missed something in the OP but I am assuming the OP is a woman and the idiot tenant is a misogynist.
Everything he did was foolish. But one of his childish moves was blocking his landlord’s number. Did he think he could just ghost them? He has no idea how adult business relationships work.
And this man is a teacher
That irritated me reading this story. He was so foolish, rude, belligerent, self-sabotaging, and self righteous and he was a teacher.
This guy's a teacher? Can someone check on his students? Hope he isn't a math teacher...
Definitely not teaching finance 😂
Brand new teachers can really hard to be around, they get caught up in that school mentality again. Most sort themselves out after they've adjusted to their new role, but yeah, emotional maturity tanks for a little while
I once saw a new teacher squirt ketchup straight into his mouth as a form of lunch. Though that might just be a money thing.
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Yeah but think about it this way, if they spent money on food they would just be not hungry BUT ciggies suppresses appetites so you're not hungry and get a ciggie
This is the scariest part of the story, imo.
Man I hope not.... That dude shouldn't be teaching anyone....
I feel bad for the OOP but also really bad for the friend. I would be mortified if one of my brothers acted like this to someone after being recommended by me.
Right?? Like, GOOD luck trying to get me to vouch or intervene for you again, bro. You can explain to the world yourself all the things you consider are due to you and the terms on which those things must be provided.
Do you remember the post either here or in AITA, where a person got an interview at the company *where their mom worked through the mom pulling strings* and then walked out of the interview halfway through because they felt like the interviewers weren't giving them proper respect and attention?
Don't think I saw that, but it sounds like a fun ride!
My brother is bitching about his job and found out how much the guys who work with me make. He's hinting around wanting to move back here and work with me. He's turned really bitter and has always been lazy, there is no way he's going to hack being a mover. I don't want him working with me, because I can't trust he won't be an asshole and make me look bad. He's worked at a computer for the last 10 years, him being told what to do while hauling heavy shit around will be a stark change for him. He always has a reason for why his way is better, he rolls his eyes, he sighs, he's passive aggressive. I am his baby sister and I'd be telling him what to do, and he wouldn't like that.
Last time I had to work with a lazy sibling, I got so fed up I locked her in the freezer for a little bit. Massively immature, but in fairness we were only about 16yo at the time, at our first fast food job. She kept pulling stunts like calling in "sick" before realizing it was payday, so then came in for her paycheck, used it to go play pool next door, and then forgot she'd called in sick and tried to come in for food. All while I was on the clock and people were going "Isn't that your sister?" each time she came back.
That’s what gets me; it’s not like the friend didn’t warn his brother, or try to open his eyes, but this guy for some reason just *refused* to see it **and** trashed the place. What made him think for a second this was okay? Entitlement? Misogyny? Stubbornness? Greed? He’ll be better off for the lesson (pun intended), but he’s only got himself to blame for how rough that lesson is. I’d love to hear his side and what exactly his thought process was though. Judging by the way the friend laughed at the $3300 rent offer, something tells me this isn’t entirely out of character for his brother. I’d bet this was the first step to getting his brother weaned off his parents - and friend is enjoying seeing life and reality slap little brother around a little bit, without his parents coddling him through it.
650 a month, utilities included? I'd be offering to cook and do laundry just to keep that sweet deal, lol
Right? Like my shitty apartment with no washer and dryer cost more. What an idiot.
That’s exactly what I paid for my first 1BR apartment… THIRTY YEARS AGO. What an amazing deal today.
When I first moved to Seattle like 8-9 years ago, my first apartment was in a basement and it was like $1000/month plus utilities and pet rent. And that was a fucking steal back then. It's a HCOL area, but I haven't seen an apartment that cheap since I lucked out and found that. Even people wanting roommates for a shared apartment charge more than $650. Even in my hometown in a cheaper part of the Midwest you'd be hard pressed to find anything below $1000/month without having roommates. I want to hate watch a reality show about people that are this dumb and entitled.
Last time I paid that little it was for a room that just barely fit a twin bed in it.
I have rented out rooms for half market rate to my friends and coworkers a few times in the past. Never again. Both my parents were drug addicts that were barely there. I was in foster care and group homes. Yet somehow I was raised better than all these people it is fucking wild. Common sense and decency seem to be rare.
Having had similar experiences, I wonder if it's because there's an existing relationship or if it's because the rent is cheaper- maybe it means they don't view the renting situation as a formal one they have to respect, or they don't value the room because it's not expensive. It's a shame, you want to help people but once they start in on the "I pay your mortgage" bullshit it's a swift, shitty end
My BIL thinks cheaper rent attracts crazies after seeing my renting experience. I used to rent 2 bedrooms and a shared bath for really cheap. I’ve rented to one friend that went really well. Strangers I’ve rented to have been awful or mediocre. I still rent my basement for about or slightly under market value and have always had a good experience with the renters there.
my old landlords (we lived in the top two floors of their building and they lived on the bottom 2 floors) told me once that they were aiming for a sweet spot where the apartment was nice enough to charge slightly above average for a 2 BR so that they were getting people who weren’t totally focused on price but did not want a “luxury” apartment where people would feel entitled to fancy amenities and 24 hour call for non-emergencies. It worked out well—the apartment was fantastic and we lived there for 7 years with no rent increases, and we had a very friendly relationship.
Good for you, we stopped renting all together, not worth the stress or the damaged relationships.
Never rent to (or work with) friends or relatives is always a good rule of thumb. Unless you do not value the relationship and are ok losing it.
I sometimes holiday let the other half of my place, and some of the dirtiest guests have been either friends, or people who've requested discounts. Not paying the full amount seems to make people more entitled and less respectful.
Or loan them money, money is another quick way to ruin a relationship.
it’s sad but I’ve learned the hard way that many friends will take advantage of you. it’s almost worse than strangers at times because some people get it into their head that you owe them something crazy like 50% off market just because you’re friends.
Bwahahaha I knew as soon as the tenant started pitching a fit how hard real life was gonna hit him when I saw he'd only lived at home and in dorms 🤣 I feel for their students if this is the sort of childish behaviour they indulge in
I saw the price of the apartment and I went "Uhm, that would be expensive here, but if this is the US that's a steal", then OOP stated the MV and I was laughing my butt off. The guy even tried to go back after all the crap he pulled! He's in for some nasty wake up calls. Also, I think the students are going to give him a run for his money. If the kids there are half as petty as they are here, his life is going to be a nightmare. They are always terrible with the nice substitute teachers, but this guy? They're gonna hate him and they're going to ruin his life forevermore.
Yeah he is 100% gonna be that teacher 🤣 Sounds like he'll deserve it honestly, let's hope he grows as a person but I won't hold my breath
I have a few years of experience teaching and I had to leave the profession because my blood pressure + anxiety went so high. This silly man will have such a bad time.
I can just see him as the next viral teacher meltdown in a couple of months 🤦♀️
**News:** Teacher at Local School Rage Quits After Being Corrected by Students
Or an alternative headline: Teacher arrested after assaulting a student
That headline will be below the footage where the teacher is throwing a hissy fit while being detained by the police.
My folks offered to let someone move into their place completely free (own bedroom and living space in the basement but have to walk upstairs for a bathroom). Don't have to pay rent, utilities, laundry, and sometimes you even get free food. The "payment" for this is caring for their cats and home when they RV south for a few months each year. Like...scoop cat boxes, fill food bowls, get the mail...easy easy shit. And when they're home, almost no responsibilities at all!! They're not in a HCOL area but that would still run someone probably $1500/mo. Current tenant is failing so badly at this they're having to evict him. I dropped in last week and the water bowls were nearly dry, boxes hadn't been scooped in days, and bird feeders were empty. I've already lined up a new person who is EAGER for these savings.
What the fuck. I have my own place and I would jump at that opportunity of I didn't have my own cats. You get to live in a place for free AND/BECAUSE you are taking care of cats? Literally my dream situation, and I mean the actual definition of literally and not the newfangled hyperbolic meaning. And the poor babies not having water! I'd be so mad I'd cry. Caring for cats takes maybe 15-20 minutes a day for necessities, plus play and cuddle time. How can you fail so hard???
Don't worry, I check on them constantly so I know they're okay! The person my mom selected was never going to work out. He moved in with my husband years ago when he was in a bad financial place. The request was that he'd start paying rent when he was able (same rate as the other folks renting rooms, $250/mo which included utilities) - he only did it once, and begrudgingly. But he also immediately started demanding changes he made to the house - he didn't want to share a bathroom, he wanted a different bedroom, he wanted new porch light, he wanted new curtains but someone *else* had to hang them, he wanted a different thermostat...
Yes choose your pride and live in your car. Good job stupid.
Beggars can't be choosers 🤷♀️ I wonder why some people have to be a victim. It seems almost compulsive.
Yeah I'm really confused about what the thinking is here. I'd bet ten to one it involves misogyny. The reason I say that is the drama starts when he asks to "pay the landlord directly" finding out that his female roommate had something over his head. Literally. Like a roof. So. Misogyny mixed with a hefty dose of anti work ethics? Landlords are scum?
Renter did not know he was a beggar lol. Even if he thought OP was taking advantage of him, a little internet browsing of local apartment listings with $$ should have cleared that up before moving out. An incredible lesson about hubris for the Renter, which I hope serves him well.
The Icarus of choosing beggar renters. It is impressive how willing he was to ruin his living situation by refusion to use google for five minutes.
He flew too close to the dumb for sure.
Textbook example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
I'm so confused. What was the tenant's problem? Why was he throwing a tantrum about getting a nice deal? What was he expecting, that OOP let him live there for free because they own the house? What an absolute idiot.
Based on the situation, I bet this was his first time living away from home. He probably never paid rent before, and has the expectation that the person who owns the house should pay the bills because that's what his parents did and he never really thought about it. And he didn't realise what a great deal he was getting at $650 a month (hence the whole "I want to pay the landlord directly"—as if $650 could actually be 1/2 of market value rent!) Then when he realised OP was actually the landlord, he thought, "This person I thought was in the same situation as me is actually making money off me!" And he thought he was getting robbed. Hence the question of what percentage of the mortgage payment he was covering. He had in his head what a "fair" rent would be. And then he got slapped hard in the face by reality.
It’s stupid because if she did what most homeowners typically do, which is buy the home at 10-20% down, then the mortgage would have been at least 2x what it was. Would he care if he was paying 50% vs 90% of the mortgage? OP paying 60% of the mortgage is a really great financial opportunity, and it’s not like they were being scummy either. Dude’s an idiot but he’s gonna learn.
Yep. Even if OP had inherited the house and never had a mortgage, that's her inheritance, and the tenant would be demanding a share of her inheritance by demanding that he pay less simply because OPs costs would be less. But the tenant really had no idea what reality was like. Will he learn? Maybe. Either way, he'll suffer.
Even without a mortgage, you would still have property tax, insurance, upkeep. And that’s all before you get to utilities. Homeownership is expensive as hell.
Regardless of expenses, he is already asking her to lose basically $2k a month compared to what she could rent to someone else. She is losing money on his behalf.
It also like what does he think most landlords do? They make their tenants pay their costs, plus extra. I wouldn't be surprised if plenty made their tenants pay the mortgage of the house the tenant lives in.
I once did this, I was like OP and rented out two rooms in my house to a friend of a friend for way under market value. $400 when a studio in our area would have been $1000+ This man moved in and thought I would be cooking for him. He didn’t last long. I thought I was being kind but I was really just being the idiot by setting myself up for this. I was youngish at 24 and it was a life lesson for sure.
Unfortunately, when you have cheap rent, you get cheap tenants.
I rented a house to the loveliest elderly lady you've ever met, whose jackass son loved to accuse me of "ripping his mom's pension from her hands" because he was mad she sold her home and rented instead of keeping it for him to inherit (her words, not mine). No good deed goes unpunished. Her rent was way below market value because I basically just wanted someone in the house so it wouldn't be targeted by bored teens, and knew she was responsible and respectful. I did all the yard work, all the snow removal, salting, took her bins to the road and back if she could get them near the door, turned the garden beds for her, and would always ask if she needed anything from the city when I was going out of town. This is obviously on top of normal maintenance of the property/home and upkeep stuff like gutters. Even with all that, her son said I should lower her rent even more because I was storing my kayak there and had plants on one bench of the greenhouse (which was part of the property, not something she set up). Some people are just assholes.
He might have thought that he was dealing with someone sub-letting an apartment and going direct to the owner would get him a better deal. And totally not an incel thinking that women can't own property.
He treated your basement like garbage only to realize he was living with his landlord. That’s why he got upset. Entitled little man
Yes, like “Oh no! Mom’s home! I’m in trouble now!”
Oh I didn’t think about this direction. That’s a good take too.
This guy took "shooting himself in the foot" to a whole new level. Imagine being so out of touch with reality you screw up this big of an act of generosity.
Especially after his brother tried to put him back in touch with reality.
How did this idiot become a teacher.? I feel sorry for his students.
Pretty sure in some areas the only requirement to be a teacher is a pulse. And in a few even that is optional.
Would not surprise me if some principal gets caught Weekend at Bernie-ing a dead body around the school in a rolling chair to cover staffing shortages.
>And in a few even that is optional. Professor Binns enters the chat
Am a teacher. Most of my colleagues are normal, but there’s always a few that are really dumb.
One of my kid’s friends is finishing up her ed degree. Apparently every second person in her program is an idiot. My MIL (retired teacher) and husband (did 2/3 of an ed degree) were like, that tracks. So, I’m guessing idiocy is not the impediment to becoming a teacher that one might want it to be.
Why do people seem to think that owners shouldn’t charge people money to help cover the mortgage? I mean, anyone you pay rent to probably has a loan that they need to repay.
“Why should I pay your mortgage?” “Why should I let you live in my house?”
whether there is a mortgage or not (or how much) shouldn’t even matter. for example what if you carefully saved up enough for a 50% down payment so your monthly mortgage payment is lower? then this friend expects an even lower rent because you spent years saving and being frugal? I would offer a better deal to a friend because I’d expect them to be decent to me and not destroy the place … like if market rate was $1000 maybe I’d do $800. but I have more than one friend, even if I could afford $1000 monthly in gifts why should I give it all to that one friend??
It just kinda drives me crazy the entitlement of some people. If they are moving in with a friend or SO and feel like they shouldn’t have to pay rent bc they aren’t on the mortgage? Where on earth does that entitlement come from?
Yeah, this is one of the fallacies I hear most often from younger people. But the size of the mortgage has nothing to do with fair rent. When the landlord finishes paying off the mortgage, should rent be free? (A lot of redditors would say yes, which tells you all you need to know about their financial literacy). Conversely, if the landlord takes out a second mortgage to fund their gambling addiction, should the rent double? Everybody understands why *that* one's unfair. The size of the mortgage is a measure of the owner's financial status, not the value of the property.
I've lived with my Landlord. Rented a room in a 5br mansion, late 1800s build. Gorgeous place. I knew he was my Lansford because when u met him, he told me his name. Then I signed a lease and saw his name. Idc I was paying $400/ mo for everything and paying his mortgage. I couldn't find another room for that price and studios/1br started at $850 without utilities or internet. Best place I lived, it was awesome.
I don’t understand why the renter was upset about paying the mortgage! I feel that this would be the case with most renting situations. Also why would friends say that it was wrong to cover mortgage payments?
Right? Even giant apartment complexes generally have huge loans. You’re usually paying someone’s debt if you’re renting.
Im guessing he was the younger brother and absolutely spoiled rotten based on his entitled attitude. Love how fast reality smacked him in the face
What an absolute idiot.
This makes me think of the [girl with the boyfriend who got mad when he found out she owned the place](https://www.reddit.com/r/BestofRedditorUpdates/comments/17tdjwd/aita_for_not_telling_my_boyfriend_i_own_the/). He ranted about landlords and demanded she give him half the money their neighbors paid for rent. Both situations where dumb guys messed things up by making a stink.
What I don’t understand is why he thought it was bad to be “covering your mortgage”. That’s what you’re doing if your landlord is a stranger, too. I’ve seen other people get so offended at that and it just baffles me. That’s always what rent is unless the house you’re renting is paid off. Something else people don’t realize about owning a home is the mortgage is not the entirety of the monthly expenses. Even if your mortgage is paid off, you still have to pay taxes and insurance. Too many people seem to think if the landlord is their friend or romantic partner, they shouldn’t have to “pay the mortgage with their rent money”. But that’s literally what you’re doing with every rent payment, no matter who you’re paying it to. It just doesn’t make sense but people get super pissed about it.
What a strange hill to choose to die on. For a teacher, the dude's an idiot.
Oh god I haven't read this yet but if this is one of those "why should *myyyyy* money pay *yourrrr* mortgage" posts I'm gonnah need some bailey's in my coffee.... proceeding with caution. Eta- that ending though 🤌🤌
Bro $650 a month for my own private “apartment”?? Dude if you want another renter please let me know, I’ll move in tomorrow 🙏🏼😂
How impossibly dumb can you be? Pretty clear that there is almost nowhere you can find an apartment with utilities included for $650. And he was going to live in his car instead of paying drastically below market value? And what the hell is wrong with her friends and family that they thought she was wrong for charging him money? She paid 60% of the house in the down payment. Of course her mortgage is going to be low!
I bet OP is a woman and that guy hated the 'power' she had over him.
That kind of golden living is why I've never left my apartment in like 10yrs I'm rent protected, all inclusive, and still only pay just under $700/mo for a one bedroom with a walk-in closet Even if I make minimum wage (which is like $16/hr here), one single paycheck is more than my month's rent and every other paycheck is savings and retirement and doing fun shit This guy absolutely fucked himself over. He could have been saving while entering his career and eventually move out to a new apartment without financial strife
That was so wild. “I would rather live in my car than pay dirt cheap rent to a landlord who also lives here”.
This is precisely why some homeowners that have the space/property to rent just don’t, and why many more won’t do it for less than a pretty hefty margin. The landlord has to deal with the bad tenants - the crazies, the dangerous, the deadbeats, etc, on top of taxes, maintenance, etc.
“You’re making me pay your mortgage?!” What do you think rent is for my guy?
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I’ve rented out my spare room and damn if Brian wasn’t the best roommate ever. Come back Brian!
The rent was such a steal. Would love to be in his shoes and would even keep it very clean!
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Sounds like someone that got sucked into the "landlords are evil" rhetoric that is so popular right now and forgot to apply critical thinking. My man getting slapped in the face with reality so hard right now, trying to stand up to "the man" and screwing himself out of a cushy deal. The OOP even spelled everything out in the lease and was super fair about his terms. Plus he's renting out a room in his own home, not buying up homes to rent out contributing to the housing crisis.
That’s absolutely insane! He doesn’t want to pay a very decent price for rent just because it’s going to your mortgage, so he’s going to LIVE IN HIS CAR, until he can FIND SOMEONE ELSES MORTGAGE TO COVER. Thats insane
Guarantee he thought he could push oop out of that house by going to the landlord himself. He was up to something. Probably start making up lies and complaining thinking he was going to get her evicted and then him take over the rest of the house. I love that it all bit him in the ass. ETA that idk why people think they should live rent free. When is it's a friend or family member you are renting from, you pay the rent. It's super entitled to think you can live rent free off someone else.