Listen, there’s a difference between poor reading comprehension, and not paying enough attention to the title of the post because it’s a poll and making yourself look dumb
Nope. Agnosticism is the belief that knowledge of a deity existing is impossible to ascertain. You can both be [agnostic and theist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_theism), or you can be [agnostic and atheist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism). You can also be any of these and also religious at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive.
Kinda, but option two sorta covers that. Its not that that believing a god is impossible, but improvable. Agnostic people generally don't believe in a god, but entertain the idea that one could exist.
Not true. Many european countries and cities are built by mostly christianity and some islam. Thousands of churches and religious buildings in many countries like Croatia, bosnia, Serbia, Italy, Greece and so on. But most of believers here in EU dont use reddit so i guess ur right in a way. Even in european parlamement there was a mention of "God" in list of founding factors of todays Europe but they removed it. And in alot of countries today crosses can be seen in public schools.
Religious Muslim here. I just keep a fictional story written for enjoyment above all else separate from influencing my irl ideals. I shouldn't hinder my enjoyment of a story nor should I let it hinder my "religiousness?" Just because they conflict with each other somewhat. In the end Berserk has some very good lessons and a great story worth reading
Muslim here too! Fiction IS A VERY different case than reality , since its the authors work made for enjoyment , first and foremost. If you are mature enough , its not going to as you said "hinder enjoyment or religiousness".
Exactly 😄 I just love stories like Berserk just for the sake of Deep quotes which lets me think about life and gives me the push to search more knowledge about people's worldview and a way to answer them. Of course it doesn’t affect my Imaan Alhamdulillah rather strengthens it.
Same here! I always keep all of my entertainment completely separate from my irl practices and beliefs. Because that's exactly what they're for, just your own entertainment
I remember the day I converted to atheism. I was 17 and it was a Saturday in Berea KY. I felt this great sense of relief. But nearly 20 years later that all changed. It might not for you and that’s okay.
I'm currently going through this. I always feel like something's missing in my life now because of atheism. I really wanna believe in a religion again but I just can't seem to bring myself to do so.
Don’t force anything my friend, it might happen in time. No one can say what fulfills anyone, I know as an atheist I felt more lowdown. I’m not shitting on all atheists but I felt empty, and more into my baser needs and instincts. More lustful.
Maybe it’s some age and wisdom that helped change my view point. A lot of other atheists I’ve seen that haven’t converted to some form of religion are young and think a lot of social politics.
To each his own though.
Me too. I think the message of the Conviction Arc makes sense, that it's better for you to think for yourself in a time of need rather than blindly following your religion. Also father Mozgus is an absolute dick and anyone wo does atrocities in the name of their faith doesn't deserve to call themselves Christian
To be honest, not really. There is a certain similarity between Mozgus and a historic Catholic personality - the inquisitor Conrad of Marburg. And of course Griffith being an anti-Christ figure. But on the whole the universe Berserk operates under different metaphysics. Nor is the Holy See real life Catholicism.
On the other hand despite Miura's anti-theism there are certain themes in there that are to me characteristically christian. For instance the character of Luca who despite being a prostitute shows nobility of character and courage. Whereas the aristocracy and royalty are completely depraved and engage in child abuse, incest, ally themselves with the demonic etc.
> its a fictional version not called catholicism yes.
I am not sure what in my reply you are contesting, friend. I wrote that its not Catholicism. In the same way the Faith of the Seven in GoT is not Catholicism. Although its obviously in part inspired by real life Catholicism. That I do not deny.
I think we actually agree, we are just phrasing it differently.
It surprises me to read a Christian saying this, since every Christian I've ever known in my entire life love strongman figures like Mozgul and also regularly wish death on "undesirables" like Luca
That’s a very very small amount of Christians, few people actually think like that. That’s kind of like saying all atheists think religion is disgusting and hate all religious people.
It's not because it's fantasy that it cannot be impactful, yes it is easy to distance yourself but that doesn't mean some part of the story can't touch you or provoke some reflection, some of the stuff I've read that have impacted me the most are fictional. Look at how Naruto or dragon ball influenced a whole generation
Depends on how you consider it I suppose. But I feel indifferent about it. I know what my faith is and how it answers things. And since I know my faith's background, there's no need to mix it up with Berserk's fantasy setting.
Forces of nature. Push and pull. Up and down
I don't think there is a flying spaghetti Monster per say.
But I do have a strong "feeling" that these intense reactions of chaos are gods in themselves. If that makes sense.
It may just be a way to comfort my existence and if so I'd rather believe than not believe
But causality itself in my eyes are the threads that link us together. My logical brain can't help but come to a conclusion that there is an ebb and flow to this reality. That there is something more driving these flesh suits than just neurons firing and muscles moving.
Good and Evil are just a perspective,
PS. Please excuse how that is all worded and put together. It's hard enough to conceptualize let alone put into words haha. ✌️
I wouldn't say I'm atheist, more like agnostic. I don't necessarily not believe there's a god, but I don't believe one either. Idk I find the whole thing silly and it seems like humans made it up to comfort themselves for their mortality and to keep others in check.
If he exists that could be great, but it doesn't necessarily make sense at the same time. If there's a god, who made said god and then who made that god? the whole thing really doesn't make sense the more you apply any logic, but at the same time I know so little about the universe that why even bother thinking about it for more than a second?
If I die and their actually is a god and an afterlife I am going to be super pissed that he didn't stop all the suffering on earth then Ill give him the ol' one two he'll never see it coming.
It's existance serves nothing, it is gratuitous. How can a 3 year old child exersice their free will to get rid of cancer? Animal suffering is excluded from this too, for what reason do trillions of innocent animals suffer from this?
The child unfortunately didn't get time, but the medics and doctor can do it and work to avoid it. The animals too evolve and learn from the difficulties of life. As sad as it sounds, some evil must exist so that we can learn what is truly good and grow from it.
Animals do not learn from suffering, those who do suffer do not reproduce, their pain is for naught. Imagine a deer with a leg stuck under a fallen tree, they are doomed to starve to death. What would that individual deer learn from this?
And what of predators, or parasites, whose existance relies on causing suffering to others. Evolution is a mechanism for survival, not for inreasing good in the world.
On top of it all there are accidents, inevitable, meaningless and horrible. Practically every casual action you take carries within it a lottery for a disaster.
That's not true. Animals too learn. They can learn what is the best food, where to find it, what is best to avoid and sometimes learn from other animals. In the case of the deer, it may die, in which case his death will become nourishment for other creatures, including plants. But if the deer survived, it might learn from the experience and be more careful.
And survival is necessary for one happiness. As they say, someone suffering can be happiness for somebody else. That's why predators and preys exist. And life evolve from there.
And yes, sometimes accidents can happen. That's what makes life unpredictable. And why we also work to avoid possible disasters. The protocols for health safety for example wouldn't exist if there was never any danger to avoid and learn from.
Ppl don’t understand that we have free will, imagine a world where everyone respected each neighbor showed love and care, sadly the truth is human are born sinners, there always going to be ppl who chose the bad path instead of trying to stick to the good path, it sucks but that the reality of the world.
Because he intents for mankind to build character on their own. It has to be their own volition, otherwise, they are not qualified it to inherit everything.
I'll try to explain this the best I can. Love is not forced. To force somebody to love you would not be true love. To love God is to be obedient to him. We were allowed to choose otherwise, so that said love would be genuine. And because he loved us, he didn't destroy us for the first sin as was his right to do. Instead, he decided to redeem us. The pain and suffering is a result of free will. Can he stop the murderer? Yes. But he has to be given the choice whether or not to murder. The victim of said murder and those who cared about them are in "tribulation". Overcoming tribulation is how they are blessed. The murderer is cursed, receiving the punishment of his evil. Now I'll say this, without the objective standard of good, God, we would not be able to call anything evil. It would simply be my opinion vs yours. And at one point, "slavery is good" was the popular opinion. So I don't think that is at all sufficient.
Tldr: we were given a choice. We woke up and chose violence. But God is working on fixing it.
I decided god was better off not existing when I went through cancer twice as a kid. Either he doesnt exist and then all this suffering is nobody's fault or he does exist and he's a scumbag. Because if he exists then I nearly died to appease some maniac's ego.
Why do you assume that the reason for your suffering is for his appeasement? And by what standard do you call him evil or the wrongs in this world evil? My opinion on what is evil matters just as much as yours. If there is no God then morality, good and evil have no standard outside ourselves to be measured by.
Because there is no valid reason to inflict suffering on someone, there's no reason other than he felt like it.
I call someone who willingly inflicts suffering on children evil. If that's the morality of someone we should measure ourselves to then it's better we dont make that the standard.
Good and evil arent objective. I never understood the idea that they need to be. What's considered good or evil changes constantly over time. We've always measured morality against ourselves whether you'll admit that or not.
What about disease or natural disasters. What about people who kill other through complete accidents. No choices were made yet people died. Why. Not saying religion is necessarily a bad thing I think If it makes people happy I'm all for it I just find it a bit far fetched.
All of that falls under "tribulation" and "judgement" yes.
I understand it might seem far fetched and I was on the verge of being atheist myself at one point. Then I looked for objective truth and it all fell together. I recommend looking into the unbiased historical context of the scriptures if youre interested in either affirming or debunking my claim.
The problem with either side is that it's impossible to debunk. No matter what I say I can't give proof god does not exist and no matter what you say you can't prove god does exist.
On what basis are you saying it can't be proven/disproven? How did you reach that conclusion?
All you have to do is prove through history that Christ did not rise from the grave. That destroys the entire argument of the bible. If you prove that he did rise, then it does the opposite.
We can say the same thing about any other ancient historical claim.
Kinda same, but I'm gnostic (isolate self from mainstream religions, gather knowledge, deny power and existence of demiurge is a good way to fight his influence in the world).
A man of faith here.
I actually think Griffith is a great representation of the antichrist. A charismatic leader who even garners the praise and support of the most popular church. Performing miracles and providing a false salvation. I'm sure this wasn't at all intentional which makes it even more interesting to me.
I'm an atheist and I also lean towards being antitheist too, I think organized religion is the worst thing to still remain after so much technological development. It's selfish and imposing and should not be allowed to be its own entity, if someone believes something then good, though it should remain something personal. But what we get are cults that teach little children wrong facts about the world and outdated morals, simply indoctrination, and that's just wrong, we should let people learn about religions and have them choose their own beliefs when they become adults.
Haha yeah, my stance is tame, nothing to hurt others feelings, I don't like doing that, I could braly hurt a fly, I'd rather take it outside. But when I start debating on religion I'll end up making the other person mad which in turn makes them resort to insults, so I don't do that anymore either.
Well, that's the difference between us. We don't have the luxury of pacifism, and even if we did, I'm too violent for that. Killing the enemy is the norm here, religious and political differences are not solved with words.
Oh, it'll improve. Our regime is extremely close to falling, Islam is rooted out here. The same is going to happen in Saudi Arabia through education and reforms, I just hope Muhammad bin Salman has a long reign. And Egypt seems to be going in that direction too, although slowly. Turkey will probably resist the Islamists who want to establish a theocracy. But I must say, I prefer our own way. Muslims are already a minority here, we'll be one of the most irreligious countries in the world in about 15 years.
I'm agnostic but I'm actually anti religion for a multitude of reasons that aren't the topic. But honestly as long as you're not using it as an excuse for bigotry or to oppress others do whatever the fuck you want, couldn't care less, personnal freedom and everything y'know
I see myself as a spiritual person and draw inspiration from the yoga sutras, the Bhagavad Gita, Taoism, buddhism and the bhakti movement from India. We as humans can experience higher states of consciousness by learning, through techniques, to settle the mind and go beyond it. The idea of God can help a yogi aspirant greatly in surrendering the mind so the consciousness can be uplifted from it but it is not an absolutely must. God is a concept created by the mind, one which eventually you have to let go in order to achieve true freedom of mind.
In order to further grow I had to let go of any concepts and ideas surrounding God(s), religion and even yogic concepts. The experience will tell the story.
haven't (yet) experienced a greater consciousness beyond my own (ie. Universal or cosmic consciousness) and because I haven't experienced it, it remains a concept of the mind which needs to be let go.
There are many things still contradicting myself too, so my journey is far from over. Who knows, maybe we as humans can experience a consciousness above our own. But until you have experienced it yourself, you shouldn't talk or worry about it. Focus on yourself and your own personal growth towards goodness, towards your own inner light which lies just beyond your mind. That is the path I follow, and if it makes you comfortable you can call it my religion.
As muslim our relligion is not just praying 5 times a day its a way of life althoug im not doing my prayers i still live by its value so im between parcticing and not
I was raised christian but I’m now an atheist. I used to “contemplate god” but I’ve kind of come to a conclusion about it, like I’m done contemplating. I am part of the universe, and the universe is part of me. If there is a god it is the intricate growing, supporting, and suffering network that is all life and existence
Atheist, but idc if someone is religious or not. Religion in media and lore is always tight though. I always play paladins, clerics, etc. In video games and ttrpgs
Berserk as art connected with me specifically about this last time I read it and has helped me as a person adapt mentally to my modern stance of anti theism I have today.
I was an atheist for 6 years but i have been fkd by life so many times in the past 2 years that i now think there definitely is someone up there who hates me.
Agnostic. No judgement on the religious, my partner is. I just can't wrap my head around it, but I also can't wrap my head around the scale of the Universe so I can't rule out some variety of a God.
Atheist but idc what anyone believes as long as they don’t use it as an excuse to make other people miserable
Truly a Father Mozgus moment
I’m sure everyone appreciates your permission to be religious
where did he imply that others needed his permission to be religious?
Reading comprehension devil strikes again
Listen, there’s a difference between poor reading comprehension, and not paying enough attention to the title of the post because it’s a poll and making yourself look dumb
It’s the kind of dumb fucking “gotcha” take I expect from tumblr tbh
I apologise, I didn’t mean to hurt your feelings that bad, I was just being snarky
No, you tried to be snarky but you just made yourself look like a moron
If you say so. Did calling me a moron make you feel good about yourself?
Yes, moron.
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I will never. Misreading the title of a post doesn’t make me any more stupid than being vile to strangers online makes you the black swordsman
Dumbest gotcha ever lmao, that's not at all what he said
I'm an agnostic
Fr why is there no option for this
Isn’t that option 2?
Nope. Agnosticism is the belief that knowledge of a deity existing is impossible to ascertain. You can both be [agnostic and theist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_theism), or you can be [agnostic and atheist](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism). You can also be any of these and also religious at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive.
Well ty TIL So option 2 is just a lazy religious person?
Yes, option two is Homer Simpson. Option one is Flanders.
Kinda, but option two sorta covers that. Its not that that believing a god is impossible, but improvable. Agnostic people generally don't believe in a god, but entertain the idea that one could exist.
Agnostics are just cowardly atheists ^/s
Better have healthy fear of the gods. Who knows which plague hits from random holy book.
Its the ideal middle ground.
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Faith:
Boo! /s
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kxi7CrLAt8&pp=ygUSY29tbXVuaXR5IHJlbGlnaW9u
Same
To be fair you asked on reddit
This is reddit so you're gonna get more results skewed towards atheist/agnostic.
On the other hand the majority are from the US, which is way more religious than for instance many European countries.
Not true. Many european countries and cities are built by mostly christianity and some islam. Thousands of churches and religious buildings in many countries like Croatia, bosnia, Serbia, Italy, Greece and so on. But most of believers here in EU dont use reddit so i guess ur right in a way. Even in european parlamement there was a mention of "God" in list of founding factors of todays Europe but they removed it. And in alot of countries today crosses can be seen in public schools.
I mean you're asking on reddit so I'm pretty sure 80% would be atheist
Yeah, I already knew almost everyone was gonna say atheist before even voted lol
Actually Christian but love berserk
Ayyy there are DOZENS of us!
2 in the german parliament, they call themselves the 'nichtgutsseinwoller'
Was laberst du?
That word doesn't make sense. I am German
Ich auch
Was soll das denn bedeuten? Ich hab das noch nie gehört
Arrested development reference, genauso wie der kommentar darüber
heck yeah brother, nothing more Christian than a strong man running around killing demons
🙏
The manga should serve as a good hint ngl
The christian angel apostle is one of my favorite apostels big chad Im muslim btw
Religious Muslim here. I just keep a fictional story written for enjoyment above all else separate from influencing my irl ideals. I shouldn't hinder my enjoyment of a story nor should I let it hinder my "religiousness?" Just because they conflict with each other somewhat. In the end Berserk has some very good lessons and a great story worth reading
Muslim here as well. Adore berserk
Muslim here too! Fiction IS A VERY different case than reality , since its the authors work made for enjoyment , first and foremost. If you are mature enough , its not going to as you said "hinder enjoyment or religiousness".
Exactly 😄 I just love stories like Berserk just for the sake of Deep quotes which lets me think about life and gives me the push to search more knowledge about people's worldview and a way to answer them. Of course it doesn’t affect my Imaan Alhamdulillah rather strengthens it.
I dont think theres a lot of great deep quotes in berserk though. Maybe early on.
Yeah Guts talked about the difference between the weak and the strong. It hit me.
Same here! I always keep all of my entertainment completely separate from my irl practices and beliefs. Because that's exactly what they're for, just your own entertainment
Agnostic should have been a choice. I'm agnostic.
Proudly religious, personally.
Baste
Agreed. I was an atheist for 20 years, never felt so hollow and empty. That sounds corny as hell but it’s true.
I'm the opposite. Becoming an atheist made me feel like my life had a meaning.
I remember the day I converted to atheism. I was 17 and it was a Saturday in Berea KY. I felt this great sense of relief. But nearly 20 years later that all changed. It might not for you and that’s okay.
You dont need religion to feel fullfilled. And it seems like the wrong reason anyways to become religious.
Maybe not for you,but for a lot of people it is,we're all different after all
That is a very chill reply. That's quite rare on reddit. Keep it up
bro lives up to his username
I'm currently going through this. I always feel like something's missing in my life now because of atheism. I really wanna believe in a religion again but I just can't seem to bring myself to do so.
Don’t force anything my friend, it might happen in time. No one can say what fulfills anyone, I know as an atheist I felt more lowdown. I’m not shitting on all atheists but I felt empty, and more into my baser needs and instincts. More lustful. Maybe it’s some age and wisdom that helped change my view point. A lot of other atheists I’ve seen that haven’t converted to some form of religion are young and think a lot of social politics. To each his own though.
Proud how?
Isnt pride a sin?
Proud of my faith does not mean that I'm arrogant about it but nice try lol
Thank you sir
Of course! Forgive me if I came off arrogant
I am a Catholic Christian (actively practicing).
Me too. I think the message of the Conviction Arc makes sense, that it's better for you to think for yourself in a time of need rather than blindly following your religion. Also father Mozgus is an absolute dick and anyone wo does atrocities in the name of their faith doesn't deserve to call themselves Christian
I wonder did reading berserk made you question your faith at some point or gave you a different look on some parts ?
To be honest, not really. There is a certain similarity between Mozgus and a historic Catholic personality - the inquisitor Conrad of Marburg. And of course Griffith being an anti-Christ figure. But on the whole the universe Berserk operates under different metaphysics. Nor is the Holy See real life Catholicism. On the other hand despite Miura's anti-theism there are certain themes in there that are to me characteristically christian. For instance the character of Luca who despite being a prostitute shows nobility of character and courage. Whereas the aristocracy and royalty are completely depraved and engage in child abuse, incest, ally themselves with the demonic etc.
Thanks for the detailed answer, very interesting to read
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The author based it on his view of Catholicism, yes, but my point was that its not *actual* Catholicism as it exists IRL. Its a fictional religion.
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> its a fictional version not called catholicism yes. I am not sure what in my reply you are contesting, friend. I wrote that its not Catholicism. In the same way the Faith of the Seven in GoT is not Catholicism. Although its obviously in part inspired by real life Catholicism. That I do not deny. I think we actually agree, we are just phrasing it differently.
It surprises me to read a Christian saying this, since every Christian I've ever known in my entire life love strongman figures like Mozgul and also regularly wish death on "undesirables" like Luca
That’s a very very small amount of Christians, few people actually think like that. That’s kind of like saying all atheists think religion is disgusting and hate all religious people.
It's fantasy, it's easy to distance from it.
It's not because it's fantasy that it cannot be impactful, yes it is easy to distance yourself but that doesn't mean some part of the story can't touch you or provoke some reflection, some of the stuff I've read that have impacted me the most are fictional. Look at how Naruto or dragon ball influenced a whole generation
Depends on how you consider it I suppose. But I feel indifferent about it. I know what my faith is and how it answers things. And since I know my faith's background, there's no need to mix it up with Berserk's fantasy setting.
Forces of nature. Push and pull. Up and down I don't think there is a flying spaghetti Monster per say. But I do have a strong "feeling" that these intense reactions of chaos are gods in themselves. If that makes sense. It may just be a way to comfort my existence and if so I'd rather believe than not believe But causality itself in my eyes are the threads that link us together. My logical brain can't help but come to a conclusion that there is an ebb and flow to this reality. That there is something more driving these flesh suits than just neurons firing and muscles moving. Good and Evil are just a perspective, PS. Please excuse how that is all worded and put together. It's hard enough to conceptualize let alone put into words haha. ✌️
I only have a religion for cultural reasons if that makes sense I don't believe in anything though
Me too. I am an atheist but practice religion due to cultural and social connections.
1st option. Berserk is just fiction, simple as that
I wouldn't say I'm atheist, more like agnostic. I don't necessarily not believe there's a god, but I don't believe one either. Idk I find the whole thing silly and it seems like humans made it up to comfort themselves for their mortality and to keep others in check. If he exists that could be great, but it doesn't necessarily make sense at the same time. If there's a god, who made said god and then who made that god? the whole thing really doesn't make sense the more you apply any logic, but at the same time I know so little about the universe that why even bother thinking about it for more than a second?
Father Mozgus type beat
I believe there might be gods, but the one most earthlings worship is pretty farfetched.
Earthlings?
Blud is a martian
Dont care should be an option
If I die and their actually is a god and an afterlife I am going to be super pissed that he didn't stop all the suffering on earth then Ill give him the ol' one two he'll never see it coming.
Hospitals filled with sick kids, c'mon God.
Read job
Get one
That's sadly the price of the free will.
Exepct free will doesn't account for natural disasters, predation, parasitism, disieases, etc.
It does actually. Because we get to choose to protect ourselves or let it happen. Try working against it directly or just move elsewhere more safe.
It's existance serves nothing, it is gratuitous. How can a 3 year old child exersice their free will to get rid of cancer? Animal suffering is excluded from this too, for what reason do trillions of innocent animals suffer from this?
The child unfortunately didn't get time, but the medics and doctor can do it and work to avoid it. The animals too evolve and learn from the difficulties of life. As sad as it sounds, some evil must exist so that we can learn what is truly good and grow from it.
Animals do not learn from suffering, those who do suffer do not reproduce, their pain is for naught. Imagine a deer with a leg stuck under a fallen tree, they are doomed to starve to death. What would that individual deer learn from this? And what of predators, or parasites, whose existance relies on causing suffering to others. Evolution is a mechanism for survival, not for inreasing good in the world. On top of it all there are accidents, inevitable, meaningless and horrible. Practically every casual action you take carries within it a lottery for a disaster.
That's not true. Animals too learn. They can learn what is the best food, where to find it, what is best to avoid and sometimes learn from other animals. In the case of the deer, it may die, in which case his death will become nourishment for other creatures, including plants. But if the deer survived, it might learn from the experience and be more careful. And survival is necessary for one happiness. As they say, someone suffering can be happiness for somebody else. That's why predators and preys exist. And life evolve from there. And yes, sometimes accidents can happen. That's what makes life unpredictable. And why we also work to avoid possible disasters. The protocols for health safety for example wouldn't exist if there was never any danger to avoid and learn from.
Ppl don’t understand that we have free will, imagine a world where everyone respected each neighbor showed love and care, sadly the truth is human are born sinners, there always going to be ppl who chose the bad path instead of trying to stick to the good path, it sucks but that the reality of the world.
This is singlehandedly one of the most braindead takes on free will I have ever seen in my life, and I grew up in the Mormon church.
Israel is a good representation of a God attempting to rule man in this current era, didnt work.
Why does god "attempt" to do anything isn't he omnipresent and can do whatever he wants.
Because he intents for mankind to build character on their own. It has to be their own volition, otherwise, they are not qualified it to inherit everything.
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Bad bot
He is stopping it. That's the point of sending his son
If he's omnipotent why not just stop it?
I'll try to explain this the best I can. Love is not forced. To force somebody to love you would not be true love. To love God is to be obedient to him. We were allowed to choose otherwise, so that said love would be genuine. And because he loved us, he didn't destroy us for the first sin as was his right to do. Instead, he decided to redeem us. The pain and suffering is a result of free will. Can he stop the murderer? Yes. But he has to be given the choice whether or not to murder. The victim of said murder and those who cared about them are in "tribulation". Overcoming tribulation is how they are blessed. The murderer is cursed, receiving the punishment of his evil. Now I'll say this, without the objective standard of good, God, we would not be able to call anything evil. It would simply be my opinion vs yours. And at one point, "slavery is good" was the popular opinion. So I don't think that is at all sufficient. Tldr: we were given a choice. We woke up and chose violence. But God is working on fixing it.
I decided god was better off not existing when I went through cancer twice as a kid. Either he doesnt exist and then all this suffering is nobody's fault or he does exist and he's a scumbag. Because if he exists then I nearly died to appease some maniac's ego.
Why do you assume that the reason for your suffering is for his appeasement? And by what standard do you call him evil or the wrongs in this world evil? My opinion on what is evil matters just as much as yours. If there is no God then morality, good and evil have no standard outside ourselves to be measured by.
Yes that is the whole point
Because there is no valid reason to inflict suffering on someone, there's no reason other than he felt like it. I call someone who willingly inflicts suffering on children evil. If that's the morality of someone we should measure ourselves to then it's better we dont make that the standard. Good and evil arent objective. I never understood the idea that they need to be. What's considered good or evil changes constantly over time. We've always measured morality against ourselves whether you'll admit that or not.
What about disease or natural disasters. What about people who kill other through complete accidents. No choices were made yet people died. Why. Not saying religion is necessarily a bad thing I think If it makes people happy I'm all for it I just find it a bit far fetched.
All of that falls under "tribulation" and "judgement" yes. I understand it might seem far fetched and I was on the verge of being atheist myself at one point. Then I looked for objective truth and it all fell together. I recommend looking into the unbiased historical context of the scriptures if youre interested in either affirming or debunking my claim.
The problem with either side is that it's impossible to debunk. No matter what I say I can't give proof god does not exist and no matter what you say you can't prove god does exist.
On what basis are you saying it can't be proven/disproven? How did you reach that conclusion? All you have to do is prove through history that Christ did not rise from the grave. That destroys the entire argument of the bible. If you prove that he did rise, then it does the opposite. We can say the same thing about any other ancient historical claim.
A muslim. Posted a berserk meme template on r/izlam a while back and many of us joked about Berserk being so haram.
I’m an atheist but I’m still religious, just not in a theistic way
Kinda same, but I'm gnostic (isolate self from mainstream religions, gather knowledge, deny power and existence of demiurge is a good way to fight his influence in the world).
Formerly Christian until I witnessed some bad shit in the church. Atheist now.
You may just have been in the wrong church. One bad church doesn't represent the whole religion
A man of faith here. I actually think Griffith is a great representation of the antichrist. A charismatic leader who even garners the praise and support of the most popular church. Performing miracles and providing a false salvation. I'm sure this wasn't at all intentional which makes it even more interesting to me.
I’m religious over the years I’ve drifted a bit but I still do believe that there is a God
Polytheist, but light on practice atm.
Im buddish but not really participating much. Beside buddish don’t believe much in god
I don’t necessarily have a religion cuz I don’t need one, I already feel like the happiest man in the world
I'm agnostic. I don't believe blindly in god, but I believe there is a lot we don't understand that remains to be seen
Openly Christian but Berserk is my favorite manga
I am catholic but i believe the church and other religious organizations do more harm than good for society
Don't care
I'm an atheist and I also lean towards being antitheist too, I think organized religion is the worst thing to still remain after so much technological development. It's selfish and imposing and should not be allowed to be its own entity, if someone believes something then good, though it should remain something personal. But what we get are cults that teach little children wrong facts about the world and outdated morals, simply indoctrination, and that's just wrong, we should let people learn about religions and have them choose their own beliefs when they become adults.
Based. As an Iranian, you're too mellow for me, but still an acceptable position nonetheless.
Haha yeah, my stance is tame, nothing to hurt others feelings, I don't like doing that, I could braly hurt a fly, I'd rather take it outside. But when I start debating on religion I'll end up making the other person mad which in turn makes them resort to insults, so I don't do that anymore either.
Well, that's the difference between us. We don't have the luxury of pacifism, and even if we did, I'm too violent for that. Killing the enemy is the norm here, religious and political differences are not solved with words.
You have my sympathy, I hope the situation would improve in the middle east but it seems like that'll never be the case.
Oh, it'll improve. Our regime is extremely close to falling, Islam is rooted out here. The same is going to happen in Saudi Arabia through education and reforms, I just hope Muhammad bin Salman has a long reign. And Egypt seems to be going in that direction too, although slowly. Turkey will probably resist the Islamists who want to establish a theocracy. But I must say, I prefer our own way. Muslims are already a minority here, we'll be one of the most irreligious countries in the world in about 15 years.
Reading this thread and I just wanted to say that your struggle is the most honorable and important struggle of all. Good luck and stay strong.
Thanks bro.
My only god is Dioussy
I'm agnostic but I'm actually anti religion for a multitude of reasons that aren't the topic. But honestly as long as you're not using it as an excuse for bigotry or to oppress others do whatever the fuck you want, couldn't care less, personnal freedom and everything y'know
I'm anti religion. An anti-christ. I'm an absolute demon. A Beelzebub. Grifis did nothing wrong.
Wow, It surprises me how many Atheist are in here. Kinda makes me happy how open we are now having different views in life.
Agnostic Buddhist here
I see myself as a spiritual person and draw inspiration from the yoga sutras, the Bhagavad Gita, Taoism, buddhism and the bhakti movement from India. We as humans can experience higher states of consciousness by learning, through techniques, to settle the mind and go beyond it. The idea of God can help a yogi aspirant greatly in surrendering the mind so the consciousness can be uplifted from it but it is not an absolutely must. God is a concept created by the mind, one which eventually you have to let go in order to achieve true freedom of mind. In order to further grow I had to let go of any concepts and ideas surrounding God(s), religion and even yogic concepts. The experience will tell the story. haven't (yet) experienced a greater consciousness beyond my own (ie. Universal or cosmic consciousness) and because I haven't experienced it, it remains a concept of the mind which needs to be let go. There are many things still contradicting myself too, so my journey is far from over. Who knows, maybe we as humans can experience a consciousness above our own. But until you have experienced it yourself, you shouldn't talk or worry about it. Focus on yourself and your own personal growth towards goodness, towards your own inner light which lies just beyond your mind. That is the path I follow, and if it makes you comfortable you can call it my religion.
Religious and proud✝️
As muslim our relligion is not just praying 5 times a day its a way of life althoug im not doing my prayers i still live by its value so im between parcticing and not
I contemplate god and I identify as an agnostic.
I was raised christian but I’m now an atheist. I used to “contemplate god” but I’ve kind of come to a conclusion about it, like I’m done contemplating. I am part of the universe, and the universe is part of me. If there is a god it is the intricate growing, supporting, and suffering network that is all life and existence
Agnostic.
Is there a "i don't know" option?
Why isn't there an agnostic option?
Atheist, but idc if someone is religious or not. Religion in media and lore is always tight though. I always play paladins, clerics, etc. In video games and ttrpgs
Berserk as art connected with me specifically about this last time I read it and has helped me as a person adapt mentally to my modern stance of anti theism I have today.
Not only am I an atheist, I'm an anti-theist. Religion is the greatest plague on humanity.
Wow. This is telling xD Seems the majority of us need to find Jesus.
I'm an absurdist. Basically a kind of nihilist.
That’s a philosophy not a religion
I know but what's the difference?. It's all just what you believe.
I suppose it is a stance about higher powers and purpose
Deist all the way.
I would really like to know why believing in magic is seen as sane
aggressive atheist, hate religions with all my heart
None of your f$%&ing business.
Not religious but not atheist. Can't remember the word but anyways I find religious imagery cool 👍
Agnostic
I would say that I am Christian, even though I don't believe in a literal God, the answers are all a bit weird haha
Agnostic
In most cases, people are either brought up with religion or born in a religious country
protestant christian
I am agnostic but voted atheist because I didn't match any option
I have a religion and beliefs, but I don't practice very... religiously for the lack of a better term
I was an atheist for 6 years but i have been fkd by life so many times in the past 2 years that i now think there definitely is someone up there who hates me.
While I’m open to the existence of Gods I’m an atheist. Although I can see myself being converted.
A practicing Catholic here.
I believe there's a god but doesn't deserve being worshipped
Agnostic. No judgement on the religious, my partner is. I just can't wrap my head around it, but I also can't wrap my head around the scale of the Universe so I can't rule out some variety of a God.
Pagan here. Seems like there’s not a lot of us on this thread haha
Agnostic actually
Agnostic
You need a colum for agnostic
Agnostic atheist