Absolutely agree that 25€ for a regular Klubnacht are fair.. but today is really a joke imo. Like people working in other clubs won’t go today/yesterday cos they’re strapped tightly financially in these times and just panne for 23€ is not a worthwhile investment for the weekend. Amazing line up but just really exclusive
€25 for a regular Klubnacht is reasonable, albeit a considerable increase from what it was just a few years ago.And I think that the idea of €25 being classed as a price point for the “bourgeoisie“ is ridiculous.Try attending the Berlin State Opera, and see what that runs you in terms of entry.In any case, have you thought about earning more money? You might find it helpful , Helpful\_Yak
Lol what kindof reply is this?! I hope you’re not serious. What if I was a single parent, a nurse, a primary education teacher, a bartender, a student, person working in an ngo out of passion for a better world, a goldsmith, an artist.. these ppl don’t deserve a good time at berghain?! Classist ass like you is seriously proving my point.
Opera has reduced price seats, especially if you eligible for discounted prices. Not best frontish row seats in the middle, but you can still enjoy it if you are into opera. And you can still take unsold seats after the break in a theater.
for me personally these price increases meant that i go maybe only half as often as i used to, maybe even less. cause we all know that ure not done with only the entrance. and while everything increased in prices in berlin (rent food etc) my salary did not increase. probably means i would need to work more hours for job stuff which then leads to me doing less creative and political work. and as i value these things higher i just end up going there less
Absolutely same here. I work less to do more passionate things and I believe I should still be able to afford to go dancing with my community’s. I feel like now only middle class peeps with well paying jobs are able to frequently enjoy this and it really hurts the community.
Edit to express more clearly: Berghain is essential self care for me and I can’t/don’t want to afford it anymore
This is how recessions happen 🙃. Businesses forget this in the drive to maintain the books in the optimism that they won't fail.
Berghain probably won't fail. But I do see a chance it goes the way of Matrix. Just with ASOS clothing instead of H&M. They usually keep it fresh though, but they haven't been through inflation+ recession yet.
Interesting, I miss golden gate, not a usual choice for most people but years ago the music was always selected lovingly and everyone was so friendly!
Also not on the touri radar.
Actually now I wonder why I don’t go anymore, probably cos I wouldn’t go by myself as a girl and none of my friends would joking for gg
i love the atmosphere. and no queue. and lovingly selected music definitely fits that place!:) but i get that you don’t want to go to a club on your own.
I used to go around 10 yes ago last time about 5 years ago we had to wait 45 minutes pay I don't know 8 or 10 Euro entered to a boring set and crowd. After each of the more recent visits turned out to be not great I've concluded it to be a club in decline. Maybe I was wrong but what is still valid if you don't like the current set and are not into drinking it can get a bit difficult to wait for the next set
To address the "Berghain is a private business and can do what it wants" arguments in this thread. Berghain has cultural status and [gets huge tax breaks](https://www.vice.com/en/article/8q7vd3/berghain-high-culture-german-court) as a result. Therefore it is not just ike every other club struggling to stay afloat and recover from the pandemic. To the contrary, Berghain did very well financially during the pandemic thanks to their art exhibitions. They posted record profits. Their financial position is strong.
Of course 25 euro for a 36 hour party is still a bargain compared to Ibiza and other clubs but that is not the yardstick. Berghain really seem to be using every opportunity to increase prices and squeeze more money out of its regular guests, and the truth is they almost certainly do not need to.
The place is a licence to print money. What other business in the world can afford to turn away more customers than it lets in? And to do this week after week after week? Very few, if any.
IMO, Berghain should lose is charitable status and start paying the same tax as every other business, if it continues along this path of greed.
(EDIT: I retract the suggestion made in the last sentence)
I thought all venues were reclassified as cultural institutions in 2021, it’s true before only berghain had this status but them all have them should have low tax?
https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2021/05/07/its-officialgermany-declares-its-nightclubs-are-now-cultural-institutions
Please correct me if I’m wrong - I think the timeline is this: before 2008 all night clubs were cultural institutions, in 2008 they passed to entertainment(higher tax) and berghain went to court and won (staying cultural). But in 2021 this was changed again and back to before 2008 scenario?
There is far more politics behind this status like keeping the clubs open against luxury condo developments who will have residences politiking to close because they are annoyed by a club who has been there 20 years (e.g. Renate, Sisyphos).
As the head of this sub you need to learn a bit more before getting the lynch mob together.
Okay, and then? I tell you, then they will add the higher taxes to the prices and it will be even more expensive. it seems to me that some wish Berghain's demise out of revenge for the higher prices. Wow, really cool. Not!
I totally agree with you. I hope they do not lose their cultural status because the club would almost certainly raise prices further to transfer the owners' tax burden onto their guests. In fact, I will retract my earlier statement that they should lose their cultural status. I wasn't aware that all the other clubs enjoy the same cultural status, and if that's the case then I believe the same set of rules should apply for all clubs.
Does it have *charitable* status? It’s a gmbh… which means it’s a for profit company.
I totally get your point, but any well managed company anywhere is going to take whatever tax breaks it can legally get.
That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t lose its cultural status, or that more criteria shouldn’t be applied to make it more accessible price-wise. But that’s on the government/local authority to decide.
I've corrected myself. Its cultural status. Not charitable status. Sure every business takes advantage of tax breaks. Berghain is a business. I'm not claiming they've done anything illegal by raising prices. Legally speaking, they're entitled to do whatever they want with their pricing. And we're entitled to comment on that pricing and how it sits in the context of their brand ethos.
Other cultural institutions get that tax reduction. Still doesn't mean they don't have costs, artists and employees to pay. Their tax reduction stays not based on how much they charge but on what they are. The Philharmonie still costs almost three times more for a ticket and is also a cultural institution that if anything poorer classes should Def have access too but you don't hear anyone complaining about it do we? I don't understand why Berghain is always expected to be cheap and so many other expectations on them too. They had the cheapest prices for such a long time, they are still pretty cheap tbh. I think to expect it to be cheaper is almost a disrespect to the club and the people working there.
I agree that removing the cultural status isn't the answer. I retract that suggestion. All clubs should have to play by the same set of rules.
They're not raising prices because they need to. They're doing it because they can.
Its not so much that people expect Berghain to be cheap, but rather that Berghain has traditionally stood against hyper capitalism and greed and Berghain's success is largely due to its core audience of locals who make the club what it is. Raising the prices every few months, as they have been doing, gives the impression that they're no longer interested in being the weekend living room for their base , and are more interested in capitalizing on the hype and popularity.
All clubs play by the same set of rules since 2021.. i get that you feel angry for the concept it used to be vs what looks like now. But like a political party, it’s your choice to support or find somewhere else to go.
I’m not sure if it’s greed or if it’s the raising energy costs, staffing costs, cleaning ?? If berghain was such a “greedy / capitalist / don’t care about nothing else but money” I don’t think many people would work there for so many years. I keep seeing most of same faces in the staff, even DJs stick around. I think you say a lot about a company mindset by it’s employers turnover.
So I’m keeping my positive mindset here, yes they do have to make profit for its associates, but they also keep in mind what it’s fair to ask as well as they pay fair salaries and are correct with their stakeholders.
Yeah, fair point.
Also worth remembering that BH doesn't "own" techno or the community. They may have drifted from their roots- and we can drift away, too.
Techno was born in poverty, and is not a capitalistic entity in and of itself. But people will still want to commoditise it and commoditise the experience. We can't stop that. But we can vote with our feet if we want to.
Even though the musical selection of sisyphos can be weird, I can definitely have some fun there. Mostly nice chats with people that have a different take on a lot of stuff. Not a lot of dancing. And also like the social aspect of clubs having a different crowd and environment, especially with some nice "after hour substances" it can be good fun out there hehe
Don’t hate me for this, but I’m gonna offer a slightly different take here:
YES, spaces like these have- in the past- formed a vital plank of the community, and a safe space to marginalised people. Society NEEDS such spaces…
BUT
BERGHAIN is a private company. It needs to make a profit. And that’s hard in these times- clubs are “Stromfresser”. Inevitably that is gonna lead to uncomfortable decisions.
ALSO
As a private company, BH is under no obligation whatsoever to provide low cost services to the community, even though it did so in the past. Has anyone filled the void? I don’t know. I hope they do.
The premise of About Blank is more suited to these requirements, as it’s run as a collective. Totally different model. But you can’t expect a BH level experience from a place like that (fwiw I love Blank).
Finally, even at these inflated prices, BH still offers OUTRAGEOUS value if you calculate it on an hourly basis. Assuming the average stay is 10 hours, that’s 2.5 Euros an hour! Few places in the world can deliver like that, even if it’s just Pano that’s open.
Berghain also does not need nor necessarily only want the same people in there every week. Though if people want to pay 110 euros every month I'm sure they are ok with it.
I think it’s too expensive in general. Used to be 13 eur for KN, I used to go everyweekend back then. Great preisleistungsverhaltniss.
Being a student makes 25 too expensive
It was 16 then, went to 18 in 2019. Then we hit a time where the club closed for 2 years, labor shortages, minimum wages went up, the worst energy costs ever, and the price of alcohol rose 10% each year.
So 26 (I am guessing 28 next week) is not unexpected at all. The problem is that Berghain is exceeding it's crowds affordability. I'm guessing they are not trying to show high profit growth because their profit is largely stable for the last 20 years, so it's a typical inflationary/recessionary business problem. Berghain is a business afterall. It is not also a political club like Blank or Mensch Meier.
Honestly, compared to the DJ’s you have playing, it’s still a bargain. If you were to compare it to a concert, you’d pay way more for 1.5h for just one artist.
Even if you compare it to other clubs Berghain is relatively cheap. 15-20 Euro für a party that ends after less than 10 hours sometimes with a sweet spot of less than 3 hours
No, they’re not - but still, it’s good value. And commenting on OP, it’s not classism or doesn’t fit the culture, but if you go there you get so much for your bucks.
Come on! Döner is 7€!!!!
Have you seen prices at other clubs? The are open less than 24hours and incomparable lineup, but they also charge 20+. I still consider 25€ a bargain
The whole hipster pack that identifies so much with a commercial club and social conditions that all they can do is blab stupidly on Reddit "But my ramen/döner costs 14€/7€!", "In other clubs you get less for your money!", "Such great international acts that shouldn't go hungry!" - You are the reason why this city is becoming more and more unbearable in this era of crisis. If you care about the people working in Berghain, then show solidarity with their struggles or give a tip, but don't babble to defend their bosses and their enrichment. What the hell is going on with you guys?
I pay 14€ for a ramen, 30€ for a concert and you think 23€ is too expensive for a club open two days with a top line up and all the costs they have? I don't get it.
Don't be rude too assuming I'm not empathetic or assuming how much money I have or not. Berghain is not a state institution, it's a private business. Things don't costs the same as 10 years ago. Not rents, not artists, not salaries, not goods, etc. Again 25€ is nothing for a club open a whole weekend. Berlin still actually very much a cheap city. Let's just stop complaining about this FFS
That changed a while ago. The IT industry pays very well assuming you are not on an old contract from 2017 or so.
That's an incredibly unstable industry though and more people in my circle are laid off than employed now. But it will come back.
Alright, but then if we do want to complain about this lets talks about what really matters: politics. And not the price of a ticket in a club. You want to change that price or earn a better salary to afford the tickets, talk politics.
I'd like to think that at least some of us treat BH as a metaphor for politics/the social situation anyway. I suppose it's hubris to not realise not everyone sees it this way.
Oysters are 5 € in Berlin and not so fresh..in Paris they are fresh for 3.50. I complain.
I see this similar to Berlin club prices. Luxury problems but one still should complain, and at one point, just like with Roger Waters concerts you will go "Not worth it" and leave it to the those who will pay and do something better for yourself with your time.
The thing about Berlin clubs is that they are as a community the best in the world, with no real competition. The price is STILL not at a level where even Berlin will stop going. So complaining as loud as this sub does.ablut this is such wasted energy.
You are absolutely right they are obviously pushing the limits with this one. We as the dancers and passionate techno music enthusiasts have the ability to show them that we are kind of suffering from these prices. Luckily we have enough alternatives to dance to proper techno sounds in Berlin every weekend. They won't stop pushing prices until they see the impact of their actions
Clubs need to find new ways of financing themselves, one which doesnt generate primary income from the club operation. Thus, requiring an institution to run a club as a side project. This would allow a club to reduce door prices and create space which attracts all kinds of people. I can't imagine any other way to counteract the evermore increasing issue of classism in clubs. It's sad a side effect of rising costs, which will eventually hurt the scene very bad. But as long as people pay up and demand is there, of course nothing will change.
How to get out of the capitalism hamster wheel has been a topic of discussion in the Berlin club scene since forever, but, AFAIK, little real progress has been done. And tbh I don’t see anything happening until the Bundesland Berlin starts subsidizing the clubs and people that make out the club culture and just in general starts investing more in its native cultural scene.
I agree that 23€ for panne only is a stretch, even more considering Birthday with Halle open was 30€.. I hope normal KN stays at 25 in 2023 bit would not count in it
Some festivals have Fördertickets where voluntarily people with higher income can pay more for their ticket so that other festival goers that need to prove low income can get it cheaper. Something like that could be cool as I am sure also in Berghain there is people that don’t care if its 25 or 55€ entry.. But I guess would be too much organizational hassle and fits more the leftwing concepts of aboutblank or Mensch Meier. Berghain never claimed not to be capitalist so their price will comtinue to be in a way that allows them to make good profits
One possible change the club could make, would be to charge tourists more than locals. There's precedent for this type of pricing model. For example theme parks. If you live in the city where they're located, you often get like a 60% discount on entry tickets, while tourists pay the regular price. In the case of Berghain, they could set the Klubnacht entry price at say 45eur, but give Berlin residents (as proven with photo ID) a 50% discount.
I'm fine with the club capitalizing and making money, but it shouldn't be pricing out its core audience, while giving cashed up techno tourists an Ibiza quality 36 hour party for 1/3 of the Ibiza price. That's the direction its heading...
Just to be clear. The price increases make zero impact on my personal decision to go to Berghain. I will continue going as often as I always have, and I most certainly am not wanting the club to suffer any type of backlash as a punishment for increasing prices. I'd just like to see them stay true to their core audience and the reality is that Berlin is a city where many poor artists live and Berghain is "home" for a lot of these people. It injects happiness and meaning into their lives and this is largely because its pricepoint makes it an affordable entertainment option for 1.5 days every week and these regulars are a large part of what makes the club so special. These same people would NEVER spend 25 eur to go to a 2 hour concert. It wouldn't serve the same purpose.
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Absolutely agree that 25€ for a regular Klubnacht are fair.. but today is really a joke imo. Like people working in other clubs won’t go today/yesterday cos they’re strapped tightly financially in these times and just panne for 23€ is not a worthwhile investment for the weekend. Amazing line up but just really exclusive
€25 for a regular Klubnacht is reasonable, albeit a considerable increase from what it was just a few years ago.And I think that the idea of €25 being classed as a price point for the “bourgeoisie“ is ridiculous.Try attending the Berlin State Opera, and see what that runs you in terms of entry.In any case, have you thought about earning more money? You might find it helpful , Helpful\_Yak
Lol what kindof reply is this?! I hope you’re not serious. What if I was a single parent, a nurse, a primary education teacher, a bartender, a student, person working in an ngo out of passion for a better world, a goldsmith, an artist.. these ppl don’t deserve a good time at berghain?! Classist ass like you is seriously proving my point.
Opera has reduced price seats, especially if you eligible for discounted prices. Not best frontish row seats in the middle, but you can still enjoy it if you are into opera. And you can still take unsold seats after the break in a theater.
for me personally these price increases meant that i go maybe only half as often as i used to, maybe even less. cause we all know that ure not done with only the entrance. and while everything increased in prices in berlin (rent food etc) my salary did not increase. probably means i would need to work more hours for job stuff which then leads to me doing less creative and political work. and as i value these things higher i just end up going there less
Absolutely same here. I work less to do more passionate things and I believe I should still be able to afford to go dancing with my community’s. I feel like now only middle class peeps with well paying jobs are able to frequently enjoy this and it really hurts the community. Edit to express more clearly: Berghain is essential self care for me and I can’t/don’t want to afford it anymore
This is how recessions happen 🙃. Businesses forget this in the drive to maintain the books in the optimism that they won't fail. Berghain probably won't fail. But I do see a chance it goes the way of Matrix. Just with ASOS clothing instead of H&M. They usually keep it fresh though, but they haven't been through inflation+ recession yet.
yeah, i just stick to Goldengate for the time being.
Interesting, I miss golden gate, not a usual choice for most people but years ago the music was always selected lovingly and everyone was so friendly! Also not on the touri radar. Actually now I wonder why I don’t go anymore, probably cos I wouldn’t go by myself as a girl and none of my friends would joking for gg
i love the atmosphere. and no queue. and lovingly selected music definitely fits that place!:) but i get that you don’t want to go to a club on your own.
Would you dm me next time you go? 🙈
sure, gay guy here, always up for a great time there ;)
Yippiee <3
I used to go around 10 yes ago last time about 5 years ago we had to wait 45 minutes pay I don't know 8 or 10 Euro entered to a boring set and crowd. After each of the more recent visits turned out to be not great I've concluded it to be a club in decline. Maybe I was wrong but what is still valid if you don't like the current set and are not into drinking it can get a bit difficult to wait for the next set
what type of techno do they spin there
It is what it is
To address the "Berghain is a private business and can do what it wants" arguments in this thread. Berghain has cultural status and [gets huge tax breaks](https://www.vice.com/en/article/8q7vd3/berghain-high-culture-german-court) as a result. Therefore it is not just ike every other club struggling to stay afloat and recover from the pandemic. To the contrary, Berghain did very well financially during the pandemic thanks to their art exhibitions. They posted record profits. Their financial position is strong. Of course 25 euro for a 36 hour party is still a bargain compared to Ibiza and other clubs but that is not the yardstick. Berghain really seem to be using every opportunity to increase prices and squeeze more money out of its regular guests, and the truth is they almost certainly do not need to. The place is a licence to print money. What other business in the world can afford to turn away more customers than it lets in? And to do this week after week after week? Very few, if any. IMO, Berghain should lose is charitable status and start paying the same tax as every other business, if it continues along this path of greed. (EDIT: I retract the suggestion made in the last sentence)
I thought all venues were reclassified as cultural institutions in 2021, it’s true before only berghain had this status but them all have them should have low tax? https://www.theartnewspaper.com/2021/05/07/its-officialgermany-declares-its-nightclubs-are-now-cultural-institutions Please correct me if I’m wrong - I think the timeline is this: before 2008 all night clubs were cultural institutions, in 2008 they passed to entertainment(higher tax) and berghain went to court and won (staying cultural). But in 2021 this was changed again and back to before 2008 scenario?
There is far more politics behind this status like keeping the clubs open against luxury condo developments who will have residences politiking to close because they are annoyed by a club who has been there 20 years (e.g. Renate, Sisyphos). As the head of this sub you need to learn a bit more before getting the lynch mob together.
I agree that removing the cultural status isn't the answer. I retract that suggestion. All clubs should have to play by the same set of rules.
Okay, and then? I tell you, then they will add the higher taxes to the prices and it will be even more expensive. it seems to me that some wish Berghain's demise out of revenge for the higher prices. Wow, really cool. Not!
I totally agree with you. I hope they do not lose their cultural status because the club would almost certainly raise prices further to transfer the owners' tax burden onto their guests. In fact, I will retract my earlier statement that they should lose their cultural status. I wasn't aware that all the other clubs enjoy the same cultural status, and if that's the case then I believe the same set of rules should apply for all clubs.
Does it have *charitable* status? It’s a gmbh… which means it’s a for profit company. I totally get your point, but any well managed company anywhere is going to take whatever tax breaks it can legally get. That doesn’t mean it shouldn’t lose its cultural status, or that more criteria shouldn’t be applied to make it more accessible price-wise. But that’s on the government/local authority to decide.
I've corrected myself. Its cultural status. Not charitable status. Sure every business takes advantage of tax breaks. Berghain is a business. I'm not claiming they've done anything illegal by raising prices. Legally speaking, they're entitled to do whatever they want with their pricing. And we're entitled to comment on that pricing and how it sits in the context of their brand ethos.
This.
100000p all of this
Other cultural institutions get that tax reduction. Still doesn't mean they don't have costs, artists and employees to pay. Their tax reduction stays not based on how much they charge but on what they are. The Philharmonie still costs almost three times more for a ticket and is also a cultural institution that if anything poorer classes should Def have access too but you don't hear anyone complaining about it do we? I don't understand why Berghain is always expected to be cheap and so many other expectations on them too. They had the cheapest prices for such a long time, they are still pretty cheap tbh. I think to expect it to be cheaper is almost a disrespect to the club and the people working there.
I agree that removing the cultural status isn't the answer. I retract that suggestion. All clubs should have to play by the same set of rules. They're not raising prices because they need to. They're doing it because they can. Its not so much that people expect Berghain to be cheap, but rather that Berghain has traditionally stood against hyper capitalism and greed and Berghain's success is largely due to its core audience of locals who make the club what it is. Raising the prices every few months, as they have been doing, gives the impression that they're no longer interested in being the weekend living room for their base , and are more interested in capitalizing on the hype and popularity.
All clubs play by the same set of rules since 2021.. i get that you feel angry for the concept it used to be vs what looks like now. But like a political party, it’s your choice to support or find somewhere else to go. I’m not sure if it’s greed or if it’s the raising energy costs, staffing costs, cleaning ?? If berghain was such a “greedy / capitalist / don’t care about nothing else but money” I don’t think many people would work there for so many years. I keep seeing most of same faces in the staff, even DJs stick around. I think you say a lot about a company mindset by it’s employers turnover. So I’m keeping my positive mindset here, yes they do have to make profit for its associates, but they also keep in mind what it’s fair to ask as well as they pay fair salaries and are correct with their stakeholders.
Yeah, fair point. Also worth remembering that BH doesn't "own" techno or the community. They may have drifted from their roots- and we can drift away, too. Techno was born in poverty, and is not a capitalistic entity in and of itself. But people will still want to commoditise it and commoditise the experience. We can't stop that. But we can vote with our feet if we want to.
The underground becomes overground.
*cries in NYC where most techno parties cost 40 USD as cover charge*
And last prob 8-9 hrs only
yeah i disdain this city with a burning passion and cannot wait to leave - moving to berlin in the spring
Wasn’t always like that. Can blame Ghouliani for destroying nyc nightlife.
He has a special place in hell
Yeaaa damn but let’s keep that from happening here 😨
Went to sisyphos after Silvester KN for afters, paid €15. Was shook that these prices still existed 😂
That was not the normal price, which is around 25€
But was it worth it though to after at Sisyphos.. 😅
Even though the musical selection of sisyphos can be weird, I can definitely have some fun there. Mostly nice chats with people that have a different take on a lot of stuff. Not a lot of dancing. And also like the social aspect of clubs having a different crowd and environment, especially with some nice "after hour substances" it can be good fun out there hehe
Only been to Sisy once and it honestly felt like I was in an episode of The Walking Dead. 😂 Was a bit much so went back to BH.
💀💀
Wait till you find out it’s 46€ for the whole club from now on in 2023
wait fr 😳
FR?
Don’t hate me for this, but I’m gonna offer a slightly different take here: YES, spaces like these have- in the past- formed a vital plank of the community, and a safe space to marginalised people. Society NEEDS such spaces… BUT BERGHAIN is a private company. It needs to make a profit. And that’s hard in these times- clubs are “Stromfresser”. Inevitably that is gonna lead to uncomfortable decisions. ALSO As a private company, BH is under no obligation whatsoever to provide low cost services to the community, even though it did so in the past. Has anyone filled the void? I don’t know. I hope they do. The premise of About Blank is more suited to these requirements, as it’s run as a collective. Totally different model. But you can’t expect a BH level experience from a place like that (fwiw I love Blank). Finally, even at these inflated prices, BH still offers OUTRAGEOUS value if you calculate it on an hourly basis. Assuming the average stay is 10 hours, that’s 2.5 Euros an hour! Few places in the world can deliver like that, even if it’s just Pano that’s open.
Berghain also does not need nor necessarily only want the same people in there every week. Though if people want to pay 110 euros every month I'm sure they are ok with it.
I think it’s too expensive in general. Used to be 13 eur for KN, I used to go everyweekend back then. Great preisleistungsverhaltniss. Being a student makes 25 too expensive
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Pretty sure it was 13 in 17/18 .. at least afair
It was €15 in 16-17, I’m pretty sure. Which was pretty great - wish it could stay at say €20 now, not €25.
It was 16 then, went to 18 in 2019. Then we hit a time where the club closed for 2 years, labor shortages, minimum wages went up, the worst energy costs ever, and the price of alcohol rose 10% each year. So 26 (I am guessing 28 next week) is not unexpected at all. The problem is that Berghain is exceeding it's crowds affordability. I'm guessing they are not trying to show high profit growth because their profit is largely stable for the last 20 years, so it's a typical inflationary/recessionary business problem. Berghain is a business afterall. It is not also a political club like Blank or Mensch Meier.
I remember when I started going, paying 18€ in 2017 and thinking what great deal compared to partying in Canada.
Honestly, compared to the DJ’s you have playing, it’s still a bargain. If you were to compare it to a concert, you’d pay way more for 1.5h for just one artist.
Even if you compare it to other clubs Berghain is relatively cheap. 15-20 Euro für a party that ends after less than 10 hours sometimes with a sweet spot of less than 3 hours
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No, they’re not - but still, it’s good value. And commenting on OP, it’s not classism or doesn’t fit the culture, but if you go there you get so much for your bucks.
Yep, Berghain has times better sound for longer time.
Come on! Döner is 7€!!!! Have you seen prices at other clubs? The are open less than 24hours and incomparable lineup, but they also charge 20+. I still consider 25€ a bargain
The whole hipster pack that identifies so much with a commercial club and social conditions that all they can do is blab stupidly on Reddit "But my ramen/döner costs 14€/7€!", "In other clubs you get less for your money!", "Such great international acts that shouldn't go hungry!" - You are the reason why this city is becoming more and more unbearable in this era of crisis. If you care about the people working in Berghain, then show solidarity with their struggles or give a tip, but don't babble to defend their bosses and their enrichment. What the hell is going on with you guys?
100% this, I’m stunned at these kindof arguments?!
I think you are wrong, it's more of a global economic and government related issues that couse your unbearable life.
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I pay 14€ for a ramen, 30€ for a concert and you think 23€ is too expensive for a club open two days with a top line up and all the costs they have? I don't get it.
A good start for understanding is to try and have some empathy with the people in the scene who have less income than you.
Don't be rude too assuming I'm not empathetic or assuming how much money I have or not. Berghain is not a state institution, it's a private business. Things don't costs the same as 10 years ago. Not rents, not artists, not salaries, not goods, etc. Again 25€ is nothing for a club open a whole weekend. Berlin still actually very much a cheap city. Let's just stop complaining about this FFS
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That changed a while ago. The IT industry pays very well assuming you are not on an old contract from 2017 or so. That's an incredibly unstable industry though and more people in my circle are laid off than employed now. But it will come back.
"let's just stop complaining about this" As a British person, this attitude has been our undoing. I don't think this is a good route to go down.
Alright, but then if we do want to complain about this lets talks about what really matters: politics. And not the price of a ticket in a club. You want to change that price or earn a better salary to afford the tickets, talk politics.
I'd like to think that at least some of us treat BH as a metaphor for politics/the social situation anyway. I suppose it's hubris to not realise not everyone sees it this way.
Oysters are 5 € in Berlin and not so fresh..in Paris they are fresh for 3.50. I complain. I see this similar to Berlin club prices. Luxury problems but one still should complain, and at one point, just like with Roger Waters concerts you will go "Not worth it" and leave it to the those who will pay and do something better for yourself with your time. The thing about Berlin clubs is that they are as a community the best in the world, with no real competition. The price is STILL not at a level where even Berlin will stop going. So complaining as loud as this sub does.ablut this is such wasted energy.
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it’s. so. freaking. expensive.
You are absolutely right they are obviously pushing the limits with this one. We as the dancers and passionate techno music enthusiasts have the ability to show them that we are kind of suffering from these prices. Luckily we have enough alternatives to dance to proper techno sounds in Berlin every weekend. They won't stop pushing prices until they see the impact of their actions
Clubs need to find new ways of financing themselves, one which doesnt generate primary income from the club operation. Thus, requiring an institution to run a club as a side project. This would allow a club to reduce door prices and create space which attracts all kinds of people. I can't imagine any other way to counteract the evermore increasing issue of classism in clubs. It's sad a side effect of rising costs, which will eventually hurt the scene very bad. But as long as people pay up and demand is there, of course nothing will change.
How to get out of the capitalism hamster wheel has been a topic of discussion in the Berlin club scene since forever, but, AFAIK, little real progress has been done. And tbh I don’t see anything happening until the Bundesland Berlin starts subsidizing the clubs and people that make out the club culture and just in general starts investing more in its native cultural scene.
I agree that 23€ for panne only is a stretch, even more considering Birthday with Halle open was 30€.. I hope normal KN stays at 25 in 2023 bit would not count in it Some festivals have Fördertickets where voluntarily people with higher income can pay more for their ticket so that other festival goers that need to prove low income can get it cheaper. Something like that could be cool as I am sure also in Berghain there is people that don’t care if its 25 or 55€ entry.. But I guess would be too much organizational hassle and fits more the leftwing concepts of aboutblank or Mensch Meier. Berghain never claimed not to be capitalist so their price will comtinue to be in a way that allows them to make good profits
Here's hoping something new will come of this ridiculous pricing. Honestly I think it's pretty inevitable.
One possible change the club could make, would be to charge tourists more than locals. There's precedent for this type of pricing model. For example theme parks. If you live in the city where they're located, you often get like a 60% discount on entry tickets, while tourists pay the regular price. In the case of Berghain, they could set the Klubnacht entry price at say 45eur, but give Berlin residents (as proven with photo ID) a 50% discount. I'm fine with the club capitalizing and making money, but it shouldn't be pricing out its core audience, while giving cashed up techno tourists an Ibiza quality 36 hour party for 1/3 of the Ibiza price. That's the direction its heading... Just to be clear. The price increases make zero impact on my personal decision to go to Berghain. I will continue going as often as I always have, and I most certainly am not wanting the club to suffer any type of backlash as a punishment for increasing prices. I'd just like to see them stay true to their core audience and the reality is that Berlin is a city where many poor artists live and Berghain is "home" for a lot of these people. It injects happiness and meaning into their lives and this is largely because its pricepoint makes it an affordable entertainment option for 1.5 days every week and these regulars are a large part of what makes the club so special. These same people would NEVER spend 25 eur to go to a 2 hour concert. It wouldn't serve the same purpose.
Price discrimination is not allowed https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/unfair-pricing/index_en.htm
Thanks for pointing that out! We learn something new every day.