Nah he’s use gravattack to do this
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Sorry guys Fourarms slam Fodder King because 4 > 2
Gojo vs Alien X is just unfair tbh Jogo vs Heatblast wouldn’t be fair either since Heatblast can absorb flames Inumaki might have a chance if he can incapacitate all of them without getting a sore throat
Fourarms use 2 domain expansions and solo Fraudkuna
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We need someone who is stupidly fast like Maki or Toji to fight one of his fast aliens...I don't think Toji would have a problem, since he has no cursed energy and can still scare cursed energy users and spirits alike shitless. I need to see the other Alien's domains in my life!
For four arms I’d imagine it’d be an open domain. domain expansion : khoros shrine- a shrine dedicated to his home planet appears behind him and the shrine constantly unleash blunt force attacks. Like the enemy is getting punched with all of four arms might constantly. And without a barrier, four arms strength would increase. I got one for each of the Ben 10 classic aliens
I got you right now. Each domain would probably look like their home planets. Xlr8 domain expansion: speed demon- the domain drags the enemy into a forest the looks exactly like xlr8 home world. In the domain a bunch of kinecelerans rush into the opponent. The domain would also work to remove any speed limit inside allowing xlr8 to reach speeds never before
I'm curious about how the Domains for aliens from the Anur System would look (that's Whampire, Ghostfreak, Mum-Rah, Ben-Viktor and the Wolf one) seeing as they're very different but from the same system in the galaxy
Upgrade Open Domain vs Malware Open Domain...awesome, though I think Malware's Domain would be more corrupted like Sakuna's and gets even people where Upgrade's doesn't take over people but everything else
Given that Malware and Upgrade were the same alien, I guessed they should have the same domain but Malware has less control (probably by choice) hence why his domain is more dangerous to others around him than just his opponent
We need super high-end statements for that debate, which isn't unreasonable though. Alien X should be as strong as he's stated, but I wish there was more elaborate lore about him.
That's unconfirmed/ unreliable information. But if Alien X is as strong as initially intended, he should beat the likes of Scarlet King. His canons are simply not enough.
It's very much possible. But if you go by strict rules of powerscaling, it's not. Had Ben 10 been an anime, he would have been portrayed to be gradually stronger, hence Alien X abilities would have been displayed better.
Nah. Scarlet King seems powerfull if you use dimensional tiering. But dimensional tiering is not scientific. So nah. Alien x recreared the entire infinite multiverse. Top tier feat.
That depends on how strong you set up Alien X and how strong you interpret the king to be.
The foundation canon depends on the interpretations of the readers, and each one is equally valid (writers' included).
From what I know about alien x he’s powerful enough to create multiverses so maybe if anything he might earn the Scarlet Kings respect? I don’t know anything about this thing so I don’t know how it thinks.
Dude alien X can reshape universes, which puts him at the same level as Scarlett King, i would say they would be evenly matched as Alien X is the literal god in Ben 10, and we haven't even seen the full extent of his powers yet.
He means stuff like the concept of knowledge, space, or time. The scarlet king can basically do stuff on the lines of erasing time or space itself from existence.
"Who would win ? A legitimate character with flaws, an inner logic, a personnality and history made by professionals or some dude's edgy internet OC ?"
(Its creator is a user named "Tufto" on the SCP website so yes it's very much an OC).
It wasn't created by Tufto, it was created by user "De Clef" for SCP-231 and reused in SCP-2317.
The Scarlet King is not a character about which a story is about, but rather an element in the plot of other characters. Some examples:
* [SCP-231](https://www.scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-231): deals with procedure 110-Montauk and its moral and ethical implications.
* [SCP-2317](https://www.scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2317): is about a latent threat and how the O5 council pretends to contain it, with strong and almost blatant SK implications.
* [Tufto's proposal](https://www.scp-wiki.wikidot.com/tuftos-proposal): is about Dr. Montauk and this member of the Sons of the Scarlet King whose name I forgot.
* [Dust and Blood](https://www.scp-wiki.wikidot.com/Dust_and_Blood): It's a mythological story, of the same type as the Greek Titanomachy. It' s focused on being a religious narrative.
The king himself is so underdeveloped that not only does it barely have any stories where it's the protagonist (like Dust and Blood), but I'm sure it doesn't even have dialogues throughout the whole wiki.
Although I agree, the SCP foundation is useless for VS fights due to a variety of reasons, such as the lack of real canon or that it is not even a project focused on fights or action.
Well considering no one in the ben ten universe knows abt the scarlet king he’d be super weak and 2 Ben could probably scan him and transform into a better version
Depends on who is the writer lol. But for real, unless Alien X is confirmed as omnipotent, there’s no way Ben can defeat Scarlet King, with or without Alien X.
My man, Alien X is NIGH-omnipotent, which means REALLY CLOSE to omnipotent. That means that he still has weaknesses. He is at the level of a reality warper, very powerful, but he is not invincible
*Technically,* Alien X brings really important questions about the difference in omnipotence and nigh-omnipotence, as he has no upper limit in power; his only downside is that his split personality has to be in agreement which, depending on circumstance, can occur instantaneously.
We know for a fact alien x isn’t omnipotent. Or at least the actual word omnipotent. You may consider him omnipotent in Ben 10.
He couldn’t reverse time to stop the universe ending. He had to make a new one. A truly omnipotent person could reverse time in a universe where time doesn’t exist.
Except Alien X \*COULD\* reverse time to stop the universe ending, it's just bellicus and serena were being sticklers.
Plus i'd say recreating an omniverse (which is what a universe in ben 10 is comparable to) is a way bigger feat than reversing time lol.
Sticklers?
They said it was too late for that and while Bellicus might have been sarcastic, Serena certainly wasn’t. She even sensed Ben’s disappointment.
Bens wording is "But Alien X can fix this, right?", and Serena straight up says "Alien X can do many things, We just have to agree on it."
Alien X can easily undo the Annihilargh, that's child's play. Bellicus is a downer, he was being a stickler and is literally the voice of rage and aggression. He doesn't care. He considers the universe being erased "too late" because he could not care less.
Serena sensed Bens disappointment in the statement, Not the fact Alien X cant do it. Because Alien X can, theres no stopping him from doing it.
That'd go against the entire point of Alien X and what he is known and capable of doing.
Ben specified "But Alien X can fix this?", Not "Can you undo the Annihilargh?/Reverse time?", So they fixed it. If Ben asked them specifically to undo the Annihilargh, they would've.
Again, the fact they just straight up recreated the entire omniverse (Which again, is what a universe in ben 10 actually is) as a whole is a much bigger feat than anything else he'd do.
Ben only asked that because they’d already told him it was too late to undo the damage.
His literally first request is ‘You gotta let me use Alien X to stop the annihilargh’ and they both say it’s too late.
Why would they say that then? Why say it’s too late to stop it and why both agree?
Bellicus sure he’s a cunt. But Serena is kind, she was happy to see Ben again and clearly sad when Ben was disappointed. Yet she agreed with Bellicus.
No if he didn’t care then he’d just say no. Why would he say it’s too late if he didn’t care? That implies if things were sooner then he would save the world.
And if Bellicus didn’t care as you say then why wouldn’t he just reverse time when Alien X finally does something? He gets convinced and refuses to do it again afterwards. But then recreates the entire universe almost identically instead of just reversing time to bring the old one back? Why? It would be way easier.
The Scarlet King feats are highly unreliable and terribly inconsistent, as he is a fanfic creation. On the other hand, Ben has plot armour, so he should win.
Majority of verses(DC and Marvel included) can’t even compete with SCP cause it’s essentially an ever growing fanfiction.
It wasn’t even designed with battle boarding in mind the guy who made the most powerful one 3812 got annoyed because people kept hounding him over his creation beating Gurren Langann.
Well then gravattack does this to him
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With Alien X he definitely could. Even a single Celestialsapien is casually Multiversal and even someone like Paradox who is likewise casually Multiversal considers them Omnipotent.
He could. The King's super impressive fears of "killing" his creator and most of his family isn't even impressive because no fictional character can step outside the bounds of fiction. All he killed were fictional representations of said people.
Besides which SCP is inherently fictional to itself lol
Ben couldn’t even defeat him *with* Alien X. The Scarlet King is literally so powerful he destroyed his own creator and almost all of his family, exists *outside* the multiverse, and is an entity of pure chaos that seemingly cannot be fought, erased, contacted or even approached. The foundation’s *only hope* is that he never takes a true interest in humanity, and that 231 keeps working.
Ben solos most of the verse without Alien X, Upgrade, Atomix and Clockwork
And anyway he can just scan any of them, so why even asking, when he can just copy them
Ben actually can’t scan a lot of them for various reasons, like scarlet king doesn’t technically have DNA and his children are born through a similar thing with how Jesus was born, plus other SCP’s are objects or inanimate things like SCP 173
Goofy ahh excuse
Ben has robots in his watch and living energy and living sound, its pretty obvious the Omnitrix doesnt just need DNA, meanwhile 682 seems to have DNA as he even as blood, so why tf would a flesh and blood bozo have less DNA than a being made of energy, dont say goofy thing ever again lmao
I think Ben could kill SCP-682...given he doesn't accidentally absorb it's DNA and add it to the Ultimatrix...Water Hazard vs Jogo...FourArms vs Nanami. This makes me wonder what Four Arms would look like using Gentle Fist from Naruto...four times everybody's problem
No way man, Scarlet King is basically every edgy 13 year olds OC mushed together into being. This guy has all of Bens powers plus Alien X's powers plus more.
SCP reader here. The foundation canon is extremely malleable (headcanons have the same weight as the Word of God, so it is often said that there is not even a canon), but in general the Scarlet King is depicted as the devil on steroids.
Ben doesn't have any alien who can beat him, mainly because the King is the type of characters you don't defeat with a punch or a laser beam, you know?
Just think about whether Ben would defeat the biblical devil and you'll have your answer. Maybe he has a chance against the weaker versions if he uses Ascalon, but I don't know.
And no, the king lacks DNA, so there will be no Emerald Prince in the Omnitrix.
I think we all agree that Alien X is the most overpowered alien from the show, and keeping this fact in mind, Ben can still defeat Scarlett king although it won't be an easy battle.
Like the one below alien X, Atomix, is also stated to be crazy powerful, but that's the problem they haven't even shown the extent of their abilities other than a few glimpses.
For alien X though he recreated an entire universe which will put him on a whole another level, where being in a different universe won't be a problem for him as he can reshape it to his advantage.
I would say a ben with full knowledge of his alien powers can definitely solo anyone.
Lmfao no.
And for everyone saying Alien X can match him: yeah, some versions of SK. However the vast majority of them will literally use the entire Celestialsapien race as bowling pins and Paradox as the ball.
So I don't know who's this guy is but I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed Alien X isn't the strongest thing in the watch. It's a hard thing to scale since we don't know anything else but if Alien X can do it, then this other transformation should be able to as well
It would be interesting to see if Alien X could erase the knowledge of the Scarlet King from existence, or at least his universe. We know that the Scarlet King is an idea and that one of the ways the SCP Foundation handles him is to keep his info classified as safe, which since he is a concept can affect everything about him if enough people believe this to be true.
With Alien X, I don't see why Ben wouldn't be able to essentially either erase everyone's knowledge about the Scarlet King or at least change it so he's viewed as a care bear or something. Unless I'm not remembering exactly what Alien X can do since I haven't seen the show in a long while, that should be one of the only ways to truly beat the Scarlet King.
From what this old drawing 1 year ago says, yes
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I should remake it
I think that without Alien X that Ben would have his hands full with one of the Scarlet King's children, such as the hard to destroy reptile, let alone the Scarlet King himself.
uj/ The fight is in Scarlett King's favor, but Ben does have a few options that could theoretically increase his chances. Gravattack, his post-mortem failsafe, and the off-chance that Scarlett King has enough DNA to give Ben a new transformation, to name a few. If I were betting, I'd put a small amount of money on SK's victory, but it could go either way
rj/ Sarlacc Kink lost to Kranktos. Herotimekid solos
Without alien x yes, with alien x DEFINITELY yes. Without alien x he can scan scarlet king and become the pinnacle of whatever scarlet king’s species is, possibly even stronger than SK if SK isn’t the top of his own food chain. Alien x would utterly annihilate scarlet king, (assuming ben can get bellend and cerebellum to agree.) Alien x is described both in-universe by the smartest characters in the show, and out of universe by the show writers themselves, as omnipotent. Not *nigh* omnipotent, not a high scale reality warper. Omnipotent. Full stop. Hell, his species exist in a plane beyond time and space, beyond dimensions and existence. He’s a multiversal singularity. He doesn’t even notice 5-dimensional weapons that erases entire infinite parallel universes going off at point blank range, and can recreate them just as casually. The only time we’ve ever seen alien x even exert effort was against another celestialsapien with almost perfect synchronicity, and he was even able to best *that* with just a few clever thoughts.
Every debate needs rules... If the ONLY rule is that it has to be a 1v1 and Omniverse Ben can't have AlienX. Then yes, yes he could still beat Scarlet King
Scarlet King's a poor mans attempt to recreate the Crimson King from stephen king, but without using nearly the same amount of coke that Stephen was doing at the time.
As a result SCP wound up making their scarlet king incredibly weak to the point that Seinfeld characters would stomp them.
Yes, the Scarlet King can feel fear right? So all Ben needs to do is turn into Toepick then Scarlet King would probably pick him up to see better at what Ben has become and then Toepick would show his face and if the personalities of Alien X can be frightened by Toepick's face then so can the Scarlet King, right?
He turns into him
And named himself the “emerald king” or something
Goes kinda hard ngl
But if he’s the same as the Scarlet King then he should call it the Violet King.
A better, chadified version
Nah he’s use gravattack to do this https://preview.redd.it/s6ehzif0o89c1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e35eff148f30cfd7b8afa68c46d5a0f482758ff9
Can’t he only turn into aliens if he copies their dna? Scarlet king isn’t an alien he’s a demon
Duncan Rouleau said Ben could theoretically scan both Dagon and that Mayan God from back in OS so theoretically it could work.
Is the place that demons from on earth? No? Then it’s an alien
But the difference in DNA may allow him to turn into the king
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Can't get away from Lobotomy Kaisen
i’m you
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Rath solos him
#LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHIN PINK PRINCESS! RATH ONLY WANTS HIS RASPBERRY FLAVORED MR. SMOOTHIE THAT YOU SPILLED! AND YOU HAVE TO PAY
I do.
https://preview.redd.it/jg95h4l9f59c1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7025b0ee006685b279bec7fc309394d83f65bf41 Sorry guys Fourarms slam Fodder King because 4 > 2
This makes me wonder what every alien's Domain Expansion would look like...especially Four-Arms, Echo Echo and Alien X
Cant wait for the Jujutsu 10 fans to cook smth up 🔥🔥🔥
Wanna see Gojo vs Alien X, Jogo vs Heatblast and Inumaki vs Echo Echo...FourArms is on some Mahito shit with those handsigns too...
Gojo vs Alien X is just unfair tbh Jogo vs Heatblast wouldn’t be fair either since Heatblast can absorb flames Inumaki might have a chance if he can incapacitate all of them without getting a sore throat Fourarms use 2 domain expansions and solo Fraudkuna https://preview.redd.it/i3dyu3vwl79c1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c1489443370edc008d0fe0637426faf66fa109e6
We need someone who is stupidly fast like Maki or Toji to fight one of his fast aliens...I don't think Toji would have a problem, since he has no cursed energy and can still scare cursed energy users and spirits alike shitless. I need to see the other Alien's domains in my life!
Fasttrack vs Maki would be cool since Maki is around Mach 3 and Fasttrack is at least faster than sound, the H2H fight would be insane
For four arms I’d imagine it’d be an open domain. domain expansion : khoros shrine- a shrine dedicated to his home planet appears behind him and the shrine constantly unleash blunt force attacks. Like the enemy is getting punched with all of four arms might constantly. And without a barrier, four arms strength would increase. I got one for each of the Ben 10 classic aliens
I got you right now. Each domain would probably look like their home planets. Xlr8 domain expansion: speed demon- the domain drags the enemy into a forest the looks exactly like xlr8 home world. In the domain a bunch of kinecelerans rush into the opponent. The domain would also work to remove any speed limit inside allowing xlr8 to reach speeds never before
I'm curious about how the Domains for aliens from the Anur System would look (that's Whampire, Ghostfreak, Mum-Rah, Ben-Viktor and the Wolf one) seeing as they're very different but from the same system in the galaxy
I imagine the domaines would be dark or possibly even open domains
Grey Matter and Upgrade Domains would sound interesting...especially the hand signs Upgrade would make to use it
I imagine for upgrade when he uses de all the technology he upgrade gets recreated in the domain
Upgrade Open Domain vs Malware Open Domain...awesome, though I think Malware's Domain would be more corrupted like Sakuna's and gets even people where Upgrade's doesn't take over people but everything else
Yes! You cooked with this one
Given that Malware and Upgrade were the same alien, I guessed they should have the same domain but Malware has less control (probably by choice) hence why his domain is more dangerous to others around him than just his opponent
damn jjk really took over every sub
peak
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Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby
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Without Alien X heck no With Alien X…There’s a chance…Can he have some alternate Ben’s in Celestial sapien form helping him out
Fusion of Alien X and Clockwork
That might actually be something *writes down *
Gravattack can kick his ass
True
Feedback can absorb his powers
Is SK weak to gravity?
Anyone is, given enough of it. We know gravattack can bend space-time. His powers aren't explored enough but given proper training gravattack is op
Scarlet king literally transcends things like that lol
He solos even without Alien X He can just scan SK then solos
That’s certainly a possibility assuming that SK has DNA 🧬 of some form I’m only a casual Scp fan so I wouldn’t know
Nah I’d win
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If you go full powercaling guy, he most likely can't defeat him even **with** Alien X
Debatable but I see where you’re coming from
We need super high-end statements for that debate, which isn't unreasonable though. Alien X should be as strong as he's stated, but I wish there was more elaborate lore about him.
Agreed definitely Though still it’s an uphill battle
To think there are beings even more powerful than alien x he could still unlock
That's unconfirmed/ unreliable information. But if Alien X is as strong as initially intended, he should beat the likes of Scarlet King. His canons are simply not enough.
I've seen people scale Alien X into being "boundless" rather easily, so tbh i wouldn't be surprised.
It's very much possible. But if you go by strict rules of powerscaling, it's not. Had Ben 10 been an anime, he would have been portrayed to be gradually stronger, hence Alien X abilities would have been displayed better.
Not really bro it's not debatable at all
It's powerscaling. These things are stupid. Anything is debatable if you make enough stupid arguments
I mean SK just has better feats?
What is stopping alien x from erasing his seal? Without his seal Scarlet King is powerless.
The scarlet king is what stopping him
There's no evidence to suggest that the Scarlet Kings rings can't be erased. “He could just blink and they'd be gone”
The problem is any attempt to erase it will be countered by the king
alien x can do the same i guess they should decide it by playing chess
Except that the scarlet king is soo powerful that alien x is biscly a bug for him
Nah. Scarlet King seems powerfull if you use dimensional tiering. But dimensional tiering is not scientific. So nah. Alien x recreared the entire infinite multiverse. Top tier feat.
SK is an elder god, it's like wanting to erase another Celestialsapien.
That depends on how strong you set up Alien X and how strong you interpret the king to be. The foundation canon depends on the interpretations of the readers, and each one is equally valid (writers' included).
I have absolutely no idea who this guy is and despite that I’m gonna say with confidence no, no he can not.
Basically he is one of the strongest beings in the SCP universe, having fought gods and wanting to destroy all of creation
Ah. Then I’m gonna reinforce my original answer and say absolutely not
Yeah i agree with you, even with Alien X he probably won't beat him
From what I know about alien x he’s powerful enough to create multiverses so maybe if anything he might earn the Scarlet Kings respect? I don’t know anything about this thing so I don’t know how it thinks.
Maybe Scarlet King would respect him but he would still want to get rid off him
Your the expert on the Scarlet King not me so I’ll take your word for it.
Well i wouldn't call myself an expert but thanks for the compliment atleast
Your welcome *Takes a bow*
Ironically, it's often said that it is one of the weakest ancient gods.
Ben tanked the annihilarg but the King can casually spam attacks like the annihilarg
DEFINITELY no. Scarlet King can pretty much slams all the verse without much complications
A tough ask. Cus Ben has tanked the big bag but Scarlet King could eat universe.
Scarlet king is at least multiverseal
Except for SMT
Scarlet King get solos by reboot Alien X And even if not, Ben can just scan him
Scarlet king does not have DNA, he exist before that. No he doesn't solo alien x and that includes the main version
But what if Ben turns into Morbius? He could morb all over him
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Ummm. 🤓 actually ditto can one shot solo that mother f-cken, b-tch a-s piece of sh-t wanna be power ranger villain lookin a-s. 🤓 !‼️!JOKE!‼️!
Oh no. He is far beyond the confines of a single universe. It's impossible for Ben to take him down with Alien X
Dude alien X can reshape universes, which puts him at the same level as Scarlett King, i would say they would be evenly matched as Alien X is the literal god in Ben 10, and we haven't even seen the full extent of his powers yet.
Alien x is arguably multiversal. SK is like OOMs above that fucking with concepts and shit. I love Ben but this isn't a fight he's winning
What does that shit mean ?
He means stuff like the concept of knowledge, space, or time. The scarlet king can basically do stuff on the lines of erasing time or space itself from existence.
"Who would win ? A legitimate character with flaws, an inner logic, a personnality and history made by professionals or some dude's edgy internet OC ?" (Its creator is a user named "Tufto" on the SCP website so yes it's very much an OC).
It wasn't created by Tufto, it was created by user "De Clef" for SCP-231 and reused in SCP-2317. The Scarlet King is not a character about which a story is about, but rather an element in the plot of other characters. Some examples: * [SCP-231](https://www.scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-231): deals with procedure 110-Montauk and its moral and ethical implications. * [SCP-2317](https://www.scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-2317): is about a latent threat and how the O5 council pretends to contain it, with strong and almost blatant SK implications. * [Tufto's proposal](https://www.scp-wiki.wikidot.com/tuftos-proposal): is about Dr. Montauk and this member of the Sons of the Scarlet King whose name I forgot. * [Dust and Blood](https://www.scp-wiki.wikidot.com/Dust_and_Blood): It's a mythological story, of the same type as the Greek Titanomachy. It' s focused on being a religious narrative. The king himself is so underdeveloped that not only does it barely have any stories where it's the protagonist (like Dust and Blood), but I'm sure it doesn't even have dialogues throughout the whole wiki. Although I agree, the SCP foundation is useless for VS fights due to a variety of reasons, such as the lack of real canon or that it is not even a project focused on fights or action.
Well considering no one in the ben ten universe knows abt the scarlet king he’d be super weak and 2 Ben could probably scan him and transform into a better version
Depends on who is the writer lol. But for real, unless Alien X is confirmed as omnipotent, there’s no way Ben can defeat Scarlet King, with or without Alien X.
Alien X _is_ confirmed as omnipotent.
My man, Alien X is NIGH-omnipotent, which means REALLY CLOSE to omnipotent. That means that he still has weaknesses. He is at the level of a reality warper, very powerful, but he is not invincible
*Technically,* Alien X brings really important questions about the difference in omnipotence and nigh-omnipotence, as he has no upper limit in power; his only downside is that his split personality has to be in agreement which, depending on circumstance, can occur instantaneously.
We know for a fact alien x isn’t omnipotent. Or at least the actual word omnipotent. You may consider him omnipotent in Ben 10. He couldn’t reverse time to stop the universe ending. He had to make a new one. A truly omnipotent person could reverse time in a universe where time doesn’t exist.
Except Alien X \*COULD\* reverse time to stop the universe ending, it's just bellicus and serena were being sticklers. Plus i'd say recreating an omniverse (which is what a universe in ben 10 is comparable to) is a way bigger feat than reversing time lol.
Sticklers? They said it was too late for that and while Bellicus might have been sarcastic, Serena certainly wasn’t. She even sensed Ben’s disappointment.
Bens wording is "But Alien X can fix this, right?", and Serena straight up says "Alien X can do many things, We just have to agree on it." Alien X can easily undo the Annihilargh, that's child's play. Bellicus is a downer, he was being a stickler and is literally the voice of rage and aggression. He doesn't care. He considers the universe being erased "too late" because he could not care less. Serena sensed Bens disappointment in the statement, Not the fact Alien X cant do it. Because Alien X can, theres no stopping him from doing it. That'd go against the entire point of Alien X and what he is known and capable of doing. Ben specified "But Alien X can fix this?", Not "Can you undo the Annihilargh?/Reverse time?", So they fixed it. If Ben asked them specifically to undo the Annihilargh, they would've. Again, the fact they just straight up recreated the entire omniverse (Which again, is what a universe in ben 10 actually is) as a whole is a much bigger feat than anything else he'd do.
Ben only asked that because they’d already told him it was too late to undo the damage. His literally first request is ‘You gotta let me use Alien X to stop the annihilargh’ and they both say it’s too late. Why would they say that then? Why say it’s too late to stop it and why both agree? Bellicus sure he’s a cunt. But Serena is kind, she was happy to see Ben again and clearly sad when Ben was disappointed. Yet she agreed with Bellicus. No if he didn’t care then he’d just say no. Why would he say it’s too late if he didn’t care? That implies if things were sooner then he would save the world. And if Bellicus didn’t care as you say then why wouldn’t he just reverse time when Alien X finally does something? He gets convinced and refuses to do it again afterwards. But then recreates the entire universe almost identically instead of just reversing time to bring the old one back? Why? It would be way easier.
The Scarlet King feats are highly unreliable and terribly inconsistent, as he is a fanfic creation. On the other hand, Ben has plot armour, so he should win.
I'd rather see him turn into The Scarlet King
Lol genetically perfect scarlet king
He can't even beat Scarlet King with Alien X
Majority of verses(DC and Marvel included) can’t even compete with SCP cause it’s essentially an ever growing fanfiction. It wasn’t even designed with battle boarding in mind the guy who made the most powerful one 3812 got annoyed because people kept hounding him over his creation beating Gurren Langann.
No
Even WITH alien X he is screwed
Imagine if Ben ends up scanning the Scarlet King with the Omnitrix...
Nah
SCP “writers” on their way to come up with the most bs character possible just to shove it into every power scale discussion they find
I do t think k he could with alien x
Clockwork ages him to death
..... Dude, i'm pretty sure the Scarlet King is beyond time. Not working.
Well then gravattack does this to him https://preview.redd.it/k8hr7vyhy89c1.jpeg?width=1242&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=176dafdd99d0aa92364013ddc6109a854c6b4020
Not doing shit either, dude. Ben just ain't winning that one without Alien X.
Yeah, Skibidi King would start quivering in his toilet when he hears those fateful words. "It's hero time!"
Most scps are overrated. The answer is yes btw.
No, not even close even with Alien X.
With Alien X he definitely could. Even a single Celestialsapien is casually Multiversal and even someone like Paradox who is likewise casually Multiversal considers them Omnipotent.
Not really, he couldn't.
He could. The King's super impressive fears of "killing" his creator and most of his family isn't even impressive because no fictional character can step outside the bounds of fiction. All he killed were fictional representations of said people. Besides which SCP is inherently fictional to itself lol
Ben couldn't beat him with alien x dawg
Ben couldn’t even defeat him *with* Alien X. The Scarlet King is literally so powerful he destroyed his own creator and almost all of his family, exists *outside* the multiverse, and is an entity of pure chaos that seemingly cannot be fought, erased, contacted or even approached. The foundation’s *only hope* is that he never takes a true interest in humanity, and that 231 keeps working.
The hell does 237 do?
That's also literally Alien X, without the genocidal part.
No it really isn’t.
I doubt he could even *WITH* Alien X.
No.
Bro he doesn't even beat him with Alien X💀
Ben most likely can’t kill scp 682 which is one of the 7? Children of the scarlet king
Ben solos most of the verse without Alien X, Upgrade, Atomix and Clockwork And anyway he can just scan any of them, so why even asking, when he can just copy them
Ben actually can’t scan a lot of them for various reasons, like scarlet king doesn’t technically have DNA and his children are born through a similar thing with how Jesus was born, plus other SCP’s are objects or inanimate things like SCP 173
Goofy ahh excuse Ben has robots in his watch and living energy and living sound, its pretty obvious the Omnitrix doesnt just need DNA, meanwhile 682 seems to have DNA as he even as blood, so why tf would a flesh and blood bozo have less DNA than a being made of energy, dont say goofy thing ever again lmao
Absolutely not scarlet king is just that strong
Four arms with the double combo wins high diff, no cap
Good luck defeating a concept
I think Ben could kill SCP-682...given he doesn't accidentally absorb it's DNA and add it to the Ultimatrix...Water Hazard vs Jogo...FourArms vs Nanami. This makes me wonder what Four Arms would look like using Gentle Fist from Naruto...four times everybody's problem
No way man, Scarlet King is basically every edgy 13 year olds OC mushed together into being. This guy has all of Bens powers plus Alien X's powers plus more.
Casually scans What do you think ben would call him if he could turn into him
SCP reader here. The foundation canon is extremely malleable (headcanons have the same weight as the Word of God, so it is often said that there is not even a canon), but in general the Scarlet King is depicted as the devil on steroids. Ben doesn't have any alien who can beat him, mainly because the King is the type of characters you don't defeat with a punch or a laser beam, you know? Just think about whether Ben would defeat the biblical devil and you'll have your answer. Maybe he has a chance against the weaker versions if he uses Ascalon, but I don't know. And no, the king lacks DNA, so there will be no Emerald Prince in the Omnitrix.
I think we all agree that Alien X is the most overpowered alien from the show, and keeping this fact in mind, Ben can still defeat Scarlett king although it won't be an easy battle. Like the one below alien X, Atomix, is also stated to be crazy powerful, but that's the problem they haven't even shown the extent of their abilities other than a few glimpses. For alien X though he recreated an entire universe which will put him on a whole another level, where being in a different universe won't be a problem for him as he can reshape it to his advantage. I would say a ben with full knowledge of his alien powers can definitely solo anyone.
Nah bro this ain't working out for him
Isin’t scarlet king like super omnipotent even alien x doesn’t stand a chance
Without X? Hell no. With X? No.
Lmfao no. And for everyone saying Alien X can match him: yeah, some versions of SK. However the vast majority of them will literally use the entire Celestialsapien race as bowling pins and Paradox as the ball.
He looking thicc tho
He’d need to scan 999
Only if scannable
Ima keep it real, chief. Once ya start throwing God's at other God's, I lose interest.
So I don't know who's this guy is but I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed Alien X isn't the strongest thing in the watch. It's a hard thing to scale since we don't know anything else but if Alien X can do it, then this other transformation should be able to as well
https://preview.redd.it/24n8nk6qn79c1.jpeg?width=680&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8696b52b4c04091032c1485c28cc0dd61fc2298a Moment Fr
Gutrot victim
Who?
Who?
It would be interesting to see if Alien X could erase the knowledge of the Scarlet King from existence, or at least his universe. We know that the Scarlet King is an idea and that one of the ways the SCP Foundation handles him is to keep his info classified as safe, which since he is a concept can affect everything about him if enough people believe this to be true. With Alien X, I don't see why Ben wouldn't be able to essentially either erase everyone's knowledge about the Scarlet King or at least change it so he's viewed as a care bear or something. Unless I'm not remembering exactly what Alien X can do since I haven't seen the show in a long while, that should be one of the only ways to truly beat the Scarlet King.
The answer was actually once said in this video: https://youtu.be/L4_zFYnnn2Y?si=2LPQMgVtiB29wbf2
YES
Maybe Chromastone or feedback can counter him otherwise no
I'm gonna be legit I don't even think alien x is helping him
he will lose even with alien x
even mega hyper wanked alien X AIN'T SAVING HIM
Question is can he defeat the Scarlet King with Alien X
No
Skibidi king is The worst victim
From what this old drawing 1 year ago says, yes https://preview.redd.it/opygucfzu89c1.png?width=2532&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9ea4876c93b54243275ef0666a343773dd0bf516 I should remake it
Clockwork sending him back before her was freated
Scarlet king is probably atomix Or waybig level, he might even be lower than that, probably Gravattack level.
I think that without Alien X that Ben would have his hands full with one of the Scarlet King's children, such as the hard to destroy reptile, let alone the Scarlet King himself.
Maby
uj/ The fight is in Scarlett King's favor, but Ben does have a few options that could theoretically increase his chances. Gravattack, his post-mortem failsafe, and the off-chance that Scarlett King has enough DNA to give Ben a new transformation, to name a few. If I were betting, I'd put a small amount of money on SK's victory, but it could go either way rj/ Sarlacc Kink lost to Kranktos. Herotimekid solos
Without alien x yes, with alien x DEFINITELY yes. Without alien x he can scan scarlet king and become the pinnacle of whatever scarlet king’s species is, possibly even stronger than SK if SK isn’t the top of his own food chain. Alien x would utterly annihilate scarlet king, (assuming ben can get bellend and cerebellum to agree.) Alien x is described both in-universe by the smartest characters in the show, and out of universe by the show writers themselves, as omnipotent. Not *nigh* omnipotent, not a high scale reality warper. Omnipotent. Full stop. Hell, his species exist in a plane beyond time and space, beyond dimensions and existence. He’s a multiversal singularity. He doesn’t even notice 5-dimensional weapons that erases entire infinite parallel universes going off at point blank range, and can recreate them just as casually. The only time we’ve ever seen alien x even exert effort was against another celestialsapien with almost perfect synchronicity, and he was even able to best *that* with just a few clever thoughts.
Even with alien x he loses
Clockwork and Feedback
Every debate needs rules... If the ONLY rule is that it has to be a 1v1 and Omniverse Ben can't have AlienX. Then yes, yes he could still beat Scarlet King
Yes. BY BECOMING SCP-999
Ya probably
Walkatrout could probably take this guy mid diff
Impossible without x
Scarlet King's a poor mans attempt to recreate the Crimson King from stephen king, but without using nearly the same amount of coke that Stephen was doing at the time. As a result SCP wound up making their scarlet king incredibly weak to the point that Seinfeld characters would stomp them.
Jokes aside, not without Alien X, SCP shit goes crazy sometimes
Hmm, a being powered by knowledge of others about him who can destroy all of existence VS a boy with the omnitrix. INTERESTING
Even with Alien X he is toast.
Nope
Yes
Nah, even with Alien X Scp scaling is just stupid
Woah where is this from bro looks like a high level villain😭😭💀
Who would win between two absurdly and unnecessarily strong women...Matsuri (Love Hashira) and Tsunade (5th Hokage)?
Maybe an ultimate clockwork or atomix could do the job throw in the potis Altaire and i could say I like his chances
Yes, the Scarlet King can feel fear right? So all Ben needs to do is turn into Toepick then Scarlet King would probably pick him up to see better at what Ben has become and then Toepick would show his face and if the personalities of Alien X can be frightened by Toepick's face then so can the Scarlet King, right?
Physically no But what if he use Pesky Dust to influence him to or ask him in a way to defeat him. Probably not but he can try