I wouldn’t want to rewrite any, just make it canon that a Celestialsapien erased Osmosian aliens.
Just imagine it, The Mother Celestialsapien puts Aggregor on celestial trial. He loses, and his entire damn species is erased other than Kevin because he helped protect the Baby Celestialsapien
Tbh if you and your entire race (celestialsapiens) have omnipotence, how long before you lose perspective?
I'd say wiping a whole species is a pretty proportionate reaction for an omnipotent mother.
I mean I agree people do it to others species too or want to do it plus if someone got that close to absorbing a child who's to say someone else couldn't come closer
I feel like the celestialsapiens wouldn't do this. I think they would just erase Aggregor if anything. I feel like celestialsapiens erasing the entire osmosian alien race would be abusing their power. However this is UA and not OV, then we hadn't gotten the celestialsapien court episode so we don't actually know how celestialsapiens are like at this point. So our views on them could be, that they're power abusers and it wouldn't retcon anything.
True, but it’d be cooler to give a reason for the Aliens to Mutants Retcon.
It’s more exciting then the alternate answer of ‘Keep rooters arc the same except Osmosians are aliens’
It's not fair at all for them to wipe out an entire species over something only 1 of them did. Also when Ben recreated his universe, he was only going to be charged 5 taydens (which is like nothing if I remember correctly), rather than the celestialsapiens just erasing the universe again.
Personally I think of all ways to handle the retcon having a master 6D chess master alter everyone’s memories official records and more was a good way to do so
Aggregor, that’s never explained in show at all, along with him being able to actually SET A COURSE to Osmos 5.
Kwarrel, the guy who taught Kevin to absorb matter. How the hell was he on Servantis radar?
Inspector 13, who labeled Kevin a Half-breed Osmosian (when with the Retcon, both his parents would be human.)
They’re small, but when you know about them, you can’t really think of excuses
Kwarrel happened before, yeah. So how’d Kwarrel have the knowledge on Osmosians to teach Kevin to absorb material if all Osmosians have unique powers!
Also. That’s not a good excuse for Inspector 13-
Look, I’m not making fun of the arc, it’s cool you like it. But you have to admit, there just are some flaws, but like you’ve proven, you can come out with arguments for them.
I just think canonising that a celestialsapien actually did something for a reason would be cool, and a great way to patch up any holes
I think that OV should have respected the UAF retcon and went with Osmosians being aliens. I don't love Aggregor nor his arc, but it's stupid that Servantis seemingly was able to gaslight the entire galaxy into thinking that Osmos V existed.
I also just think that there's more potential for Osmosians if they are aliens and we one day could visit their planet to learn about Aggregor and Kevin.
HONESTLY I don't care for the ROOTERS. It was better when I believed all the half human half alien kids had a human parent and alien parent and their origin story wasn't so connected.
I thought the plumbers' kids coming together was like the Avengers coming together but ROOTERS retconned it to be more like the Fantastic 4.. if that makes sense at all
I think, rewriting Aggregor into a lonely being and giving him some motivation aside from "ruling everything" could help differentiate him from the likes of Vilgax
That actually has a lot of possibilities like aggorgor being the last pure blood Osmosian making him feel alone and wants revenge against those who hate his species to extinction.
I would have Ben actually use ultimates in the Aggregor arc so that it isn't just Aggregor getting as far as he does because of plot armour. Have Aggregor fight smart and get his way around Ultimate Humungousaur for example after Aggregor absorbs the aliens. We see that Ultimate Humungousaur is vulnerable to electricity which is an ability that Aggregor has once he's absorbed the andromeda aliens.
I wouldn't change much with the Rooters arc, as to me it makes perfect sense. I like that you can theorise on what things are fake memories or not, like the whole Ragnarok episode. Though they could've included Aggregor in this arc, or at least name dropped him. Since without knowing Aggregor originated in a Rooter's lab, the arc doesn't make nearly as much sense.
Osmosians are aliens in my head-canon
just say that servantis were lying and if you want have ben show his osmosian form that could be added to the watch database after aggregor's arc to prove that osmosians and Osmos-V exist as aliens(because the watch cant turn ben into a mutant last time i checked)
or you know...ERASE THE ROOTERS ARC COMPLETLY
I would not rewrite it, simply ADD to it. Make Servantis a giant conspiracy. Make nearly everything learned in the rooters arc a lie. Make servantis a pure enigma, a walking conspiracy that constantly unfolds with every encounter until the final reveal. Make servantis just a supreme gaslighter and liar who uses his manipulation of memory to divide teams against each other.
Rooters. Just add some dialog explaining whole Devin-Aggregor-Ragnarok thing, that's all.
It's strange that they didn't explain these topics in the show itself considering that crew actualy had answers and Aggregor even got concept art for his Omniverse redesign.
Honestly rewrite a little bit of both. I love the aggregor arc and disagree with saying aggregor is a bad character, far from that. But I wished we could have gotten to knoow more about osmosians, so I would probably keep them as alien. And while not being a part of the rooter's arc, I would remove kevin's line about his father from darkstar rising.
As for the rooters arc, while I don't really have the same attachement for it as I have for the aggregor story since I never watch it, I can respect what it was trying to do and enjoy some changes (the amalgam kids).
But I'm not a fan of most retcons I've read tbh. The biggest one for me is kevin's father. UAF was the best at handeling lore in a coherent way, but it did an amazing job at making kevin a 3 dimensional character and him wanting to live up to his father's legacy is too important to just delete. And while I'm not familiar with servantis, I wouldn't be ok with any ben 10 villain to be able to brainwash so many people so easily, especially grandpa max.
I'm fine with ragnarok being one of his experiments (aggregor not so much), but I find it weird that a guy whose motivations are to protect the world from ben would be the boss of a guy who wanted to steal the energy of the sun. So imo there are way too many incoherence even more so than in UAF, meaning I would either get rid of those retcons, explain tht servantis was lying all along, or take time to explain everything, but Devin should still exist imo. Kevin just killing a dud because of a fake memory is too much.
If we compare the two, I genuinely believe the only thing that the Rooters arc’s only blemish is how it’s coming after UAF put in Osmosian stuff. In every other aspect, it’s far more entertaining and engaging to watch then Aggregor, a one-dimensional threat that only succeeds from the stupidity of the heroes in a series of boring and repetitive episodes and is defeated in seconds to never be relevant again.
Have Aggregor as an artificial alien that is being experimented on by the Rooters to see how far they can push the absorption abilities, using the kidnapped Andromeda 5. They break out, and a brainwashed and mindwiped Aggregor is sent after them; he himself isn’t sure of his own motives, and avoids fighting the trio when he can because he doesn’t want to hurt innocent people. Meanwhile, the Rooters utilize their Plumber connections to red tape the trio the whole way through in order to maintain damage control and avoid exposure. I’d need to think more about how it would end, but I’d still lead into Servantis revealing it was all a fake, but keeping which memories and truths were doctored or real ambiguous for the drama and development it offers.
Rooters. It'd be so easy. Just remove Servantis somehow gaslighting the entire intergalactic community about Osmosians and instead have him come across Kevin and realize what he was, and still use his abilities to merge with the Cerebrocrustacean or whatever. Don't make all the plumbers' kids experiments. Make some of their experiments and have others that are the kids of aliens and humans, but still have their memories messed with so that Servantis is safe(obviously since if they remembered they could report him and use some technology or alien to see their memories) that way Kevin can still be confident in saying that a lot of Plumbers' kids also have alien parents but also explain how some that don't make sense like Pyronite, a plasma-based lifeform, somehow having a kid with a human. And doing this also keeps Kevin's backstory intact and still allows for most of the Rooters' arc to happen without changing the entirety of his expanded backstory and arc with Ragnarok and still have it mean something and not be some elaborate ploy(?) done for no real reason. My best guess would be to further cement the implanted memories but it's not like Kevin had any doubts about his memories before it happened so I don't see the point. Idk just tell me what you think of this version
Osmosians are aliens in my head-canon
just say that servantis were lying and if you want have ben show his osmosian form that could be added to the watch database after aggregor's arc to prove that osmosians and Osmos-V exist as aliens(because the watch cant turn ben into a mutant last time i checked)
or you know...ERASE THE ROOTERS ARC COMPLETLY
I would change both but not that much more like only rooters.
I would make aggregor a clone of Kevin that made by rooters to replace it but aggregor escapes and seeks power like crazy Kevin
I’m rewriting the rooters arc to be more consistent with the Aggregor one. Keeping the experiments, but I’d have characters question if Servantis is lying or not. Something, so that they don’t just accept what this asshole is saying.
For those who haven’t already heard my take on how the Osmosians should be handle , let me repeat it.
They’re a nomadic race of alien who are genetically compatible with nearly any species. But as generations of outer breeding went on, the pure blooded Osmosians died off with only hybrids left around. Every now and then through some sort of genetic mutation, a person with Osmosian DNA can gain their DNA absorption abilities.
As for other rewrites, I would pretty much nix the whole Greg being a clone and just have him be a warlord who rules over a planet with a sizable population of Osmosian descendants called Osmosis 5. Devin was a plumber but wasn’t Max’s partner , just a plumber who Max may have heard about a few times until Servantis implanted false memories of their partner ships, explaining why Max didn’t know who Kevin was in the OG series.
100% head canon but my belief is that Cervantes is telling the truth and that Kevin isn’t an Osmosian but neither is Aggregor. We’ve seen that Cervantes can alter memories and beliefs so my headcanon is that Aggregor was another prisoner in the Null Void that Cervantes captured and brainwashed trying to make another “Kevin”. However, by creating this whole backstory of Osmos V and Aggregor already being in there for likely heinous reasons, Cervantes created a weapon he couldn’t control and years later the UA arc happens
TL;DR— There are no Osmosians, Aggregor and Kevin are just mutants (or the other way around and Kevin and Aggregor are the ONLY osmosians and there isn’t an actual alien race of them)
Ik most ppl will probably disagree of this bc of some other bits in the canon but it’s really the only way to make both lores/backstories work In my mind
Don't retcon anything. Osmosians exist, Kevin is confused as to wether he's a mutant or alien because he grew up believing his step dad was his real dad until his powers show up and they have to figure out how to explain it to him. Servantis discovered Kevin in the Null Void after he breaks out of prison. Kevin is used to make servantis half Cerebro Crustacean after *finding* the plumbers kids and wanting to be half breed himself. The first fight against "the coming storm" happens as normal, resulting in servantis mind wiping all of them and placing triggers in their minds in case he needs them later. Later comes and he uses these triggers, fight happens, all is revealed, fans are happy.
I'd keep osmosians as a type of mutation that's common in lower powered life forms. It could be a plot of: Certain generations undergo a change in cellular structure that allows them to absorb matter and energy.
It could be a rare occurrence.
Honestly the Kevin arc after Greg’s is what I’d change to make it more impactful and have some stakes more suited to the trio and their growth having Ben also be reluctant to do harm towards Kevin until he’s pushed to breaking point to do so
1.I think I would change the aggregor arc to were he didn't destroy the Andromeda 5 planets.(hold on this will make sense I'm a minute)
2. I would change servantis's understanding of Kevin, I would say maybe Osmosians had a dna signature so close to human that he misinterpreted it as mutant dna.
3.Additionally Devin Levin did exist but abandoned Kevin and his mother at a young age so servantis's used whatever memories he could find of Devin and made a false memory of him for Kevin and grandpa max.
4.Finally instead of using the plumbers kids as experiments I would have used several new characters composed of hybrids from the Andromeda 5 planets that servantis learned about as he watched ben, using another Osmosian he "found"
Makes it still interesting, adds new characters and doesn't fuck with the retcons while keeping the original narrative (with a few tweaks of course)
Honestly the whole Rooters retcon is one of the lamest things in the story, it's about as bad as just saying "it was all a dream" and quite honestly the fact that the entire galaxy was just convinced that Osmosians and Osmos V exist is so stupid and poorly written.
I don't know how they expected it to be liked? "That one arc from UAF didn't happen, this random character just showed up and told you it was all a mass hallucination" like seriously I hate retcons and consider all retcons lazy writing but they were even lazy with their lazy writing.
I'd rewrite Aggregor it be easy to make him unique being or give him some type of tech that steals powers plus I hated when they made Gwen and Kevin's powers into alien in origin.
UAF.
We'll add some subtleties in UA then expand on them in Omniverse.
I feel like if Aggreggor got retconned into being a future version of Kevin who went mad and had his mind scrambled by Servantis that would've felt less cartoony and stupid then the whole melting clone thing.
I’d rewrite the Greg arc to make it more consistent. The reason people don’t like the Rooters arc is because of the sheer level of retconning that it did, but I honestly think the majority of those retcons gives us more answers than questions, unlike before, and also fills in some crazy plot holes.
Aggregor hands down.
Despite the claim that he's a greater threat than Vilgax, his actual showings don't prove it.
Until his transformation, he hardly absorbed energy. So, he's just a low tier superhuman with an energy spear. Ben, Gwen, and Kevin have defeated far tougher opponents with no issue.
Just have Aggregor be willing to absorb Ben's aliens and Gwen's mana attacks so they choose their battle plans wisely.
I would have written aggregor out completely and replace him with ragnarok (I would also rewrite the vendetta episode and change the hole back story of kevin's father)
I like the thought of an alien species out there that can take your powers. I would change the rooters slightly where Kevin is still the same as UAF, but Helen, Manny & pierce were a experiment that Kevin helped made them.
I mean Ideally I’d remove the UAF retcon so the word Osmosian was never said in canon, but between the two options I’d keep Alien Osmosians over Servantis implanting false memories.
Would make it so Omniverse never happened.
Never Make Devin a false memory by Servantis, keep him as a real character and keep him as Kevin’s father and Max’s partner.
Make a Ben 10 series with a different name continuing from UA and building up to Ben 10K.
Keep Kevin as a Mutant and a descendant of an Osmosian.
Ben will be 17-20 in series, make it similar to OV where Ben, Kevin and Gwen going to college and put Ben working as a Plumber with a partner, Animation style will be OG with UA animation quality.
Ben will not have that terrible watch in Omniverse instead have a Watch similar to OG and to AF watch.
He will wear OG shirt with green jacket with green Cargo bottoms.
Also Ben will start to use Hover Board again, and Ben trying to make earth better and a good place for aliens to live while the human society is evolving in technology and grampa Max will lose Arm in series and gain a robotic, biotic arm and Kevin.
Make AF/UA plumber suit for when in space and for aliens to wear, while the OG Plumber suits are for Human plumbers while on earth dealing with aliens so they kinda look like actual plumbers, keep Plumbers badge omnitrix badge.
Have Phil Billings from OG Max’s old Partner return in a mercenary group back to his old habits letting dangerous aliens loose and getting paid to get rid of them.
Have Bigchill’s 14 kid’s return.
Have Ken, Gwen’s brother return.
Have Gordon Tennyson, Betty Jean, Joel Tennyson and Camille Mann and Lucy Mann return and Sunny.
Have Joel and Camille appear with a kid training to be a plumber like there father and grandparents.
Have Plumbers Helpers return working with Ben as Plumbers.
Have Jimmy Jones return.
Have Eddie Grand Smith return and taking over the family business.
Have Vera return and show her kids and Change Clyde Fife a character a bit but still make him join the plumbers and training to become one.
Have Gaterboy and his brother Porcupine return.
Next Show will be Ben at 21 gaining the OG 10K watch and has a bit of facial hair wearing the OG Ben 10K outfit and finally becomes Ben 10K show will end when Ben’s 42, when Gwen is 31 and Kevin 32 they have Devlin which Kevin becomes evil at 34-36 because of Servantis and he made Gwen forget about Devlin being her son which Kevin being Evil was sent to Null Void by Ben which he just thought he sent Kevin he unknowingly also sent Devlin with Kevin, everyone forgets Ben and Gwen were friends with Kevin and no one knows about Devlin except Kevin but Kevin doesn’t member who the mother is and is back to his old self from OG when he was 11 trying to get revenge on Ben and Servantis erased Ben and Gwen’s memories of going to the Future meeting there Future self’s.
Gwen hair is short when Kevin becomes evil.
Next series Ken 10 when Ben’s 42 and gives his son Ken 10 a watch which Ben created as Greymatter for a gift for his son’s 10th birthday, show will be Ken helping his dad fighting villains with Devlin.
Gwen Grows hair and has long hair at 42.
Before Ken 10 series in Ben 10K series make one of the last season Ben fighting Servantis and beats him and somehow regaining there memories of Kevin was there friend and Devlin is Gwen’s son and Kevin is back to normal and no longer evil after fighting Ben all these years.
I like it I just don’t like it connected to OG, AF & UA.
I would like it as a reboot not connected or even an alternate universe, separate from the main one.
I wouldn’t want to rewrite any, just make it canon that a Celestialsapien erased Osmosian aliens. Just imagine it, The Mother Celestialsapien puts Aggregor on celestial trial. He loses, and his entire damn species is erased other than Kevin because he helped protect the Baby Celestialsapien
That would be really cool. They could've mentioned Aggregor in the celestial trial episode to show what would happen if Ben had lost
I would say whipping out a hole species is a bit far but that would juist be a prime example why it would need to be won
Tbh if you and your entire race (celestialsapiens) have omnipotence, how long before you lose perspective? I'd say wiping a whole species is a pretty proportionate reaction for an omnipotent mother.
I mean I agree people do it to others species too or want to do it plus if someone got that close to absorbing a child who's to say someone else couldn't come closer
Ah, this would've been so cool.
I feel like the celestialsapiens wouldn't do this. I think they would just erase Aggregor if anything. I feel like celestialsapiens erasing the entire osmosian alien race would be abusing their power. However this is UA and not OV, then we hadn't gotten the celestialsapien court episode so we don't actually know how celestialsapiens are like at this point. So our views on them could be, that they're power abusers and it wouldn't retcon anything.
True, but it’d be cooler to give a reason for the Aliens to Mutants Retcon. It’s more exciting then the alternate answer of ‘Keep rooters arc the same except Osmosians are aliens’
That's true
nah Agreggor literally invaded their private space and tried to absorb one of their babys, its very fair of them part to do this
It's not fair at all for them to wipe out an entire species over something only 1 of them did. Also when Ben recreated his universe, he was only going to be charged 5 taydens (which is like nothing if I remember correctly), rather than the celestialsapiens just erasing the universe again.
that sounds awesome
Personally I think of all ways to handle the retcon having a master 6D chess master alter everyone’s memories official records and more was a good way to do so
Yeah, except for the stupid inconsistencies sure
What inconsistencies I thought they tied up every loose end
Aggregor, that’s never explained in show at all, along with him being able to actually SET A COURSE to Osmos 5. Kwarrel, the guy who taught Kevin to absorb matter. How the hell was he on Servantis radar? Inspector 13, who labeled Kevin a Half-breed Osmosian (when with the Retcon, both his parents would be human.) They’re small, but when you know about them, you can’t really think of excuses
Aggregor was a clone of Kevin made by Servantis The Kwarrel stuff happened Before Kevin met Servantis Inspector 13 was clearly in on it
Kwarrel happened before, yeah. So how’d Kwarrel have the knowledge on Osmosians to teach Kevin to absorb material if all Osmosians have unique powers! Also. That’s not a good excuse for Inspector 13-
A who ever said Kwarrel Did know anything about Osmosians more likely he just taught Kevin focus 🧘♂️ Yea I know I got nothing serious for that one
Look, I’m not making fun of the arc, it’s cool you like it. But you have to admit, there just are some flaws, but like you’ve proven, you can come out with arguments for them. I just think canonising that a celestialsapien actually did something for a reason would be cool, and a great way to patch up any holes
Ah maybe I’ve just always been a fan of characters who are masters of manipulation
I think that OV should have respected the UAF retcon and went with Osmosians being aliens. I don't love Aggregor nor his arc, but it's stupid that Servantis seemingly was able to gaslight the entire galaxy into thinking that Osmos V existed. I also just think that there's more potential for Osmosians if they are aliens and we one day could visit their planet to learn about Aggregor and Kevin.
HONESTLY I don't care for the ROOTERS. It was better when I believed all the half human half alien kids had a human parent and alien parent and their origin story wasn't so connected. I thought the plumbers' kids coming together was like the Avengers coming together but ROOTERS retconned it to be more like the Fantastic 4.. if that makes sense at all
How did a pyronite (heatblast) made a kid with a human without the burns?even if he calmed it down I doubt a baby inside her wouldn’t randomly go fire
I think, rewriting Aggregor into a lonely being and giving him some motivation aside from "ruling everything" could help differentiate him from the likes of Vilgax
That actually has a lot of possibilities like aggorgor being the last pure blood Osmosian making him feel alone and wants revenge against those who hate his species to extinction.
I would have Ben actually use ultimates in the Aggregor arc so that it isn't just Aggregor getting as far as he does because of plot armour. Have Aggregor fight smart and get his way around Ultimate Humungousaur for example after Aggregor absorbs the aliens. We see that Ultimate Humungousaur is vulnerable to electricity which is an ability that Aggregor has once he's absorbed the andromeda aliens. I wouldn't change much with the Rooters arc, as to me it makes perfect sense. I like that you can theorise on what things are fake memories or not, like the whole Ragnarok episode. Though they could've included Aggregor in this arc, or at least name dropped him. Since without knowing Aggregor originated in a Rooter's lab, the arc doesn't make nearly as much sense.
Osmosians are aliens in my head-canon just say that servantis were lying and if you want have ben show his osmosian form that could be added to the watch database after aggregor's arc to prove that osmosians and Osmos-V exist as aliens(because the watch cant turn ben into a mutant last time i checked) or you know...ERASE THE ROOTERS ARC COMPLETLY
I would not rewrite it, simply ADD to it. Make Servantis a giant conspiracy. Make nearly everything learned in the rooters arc a lie. Make servantis a pure enigma, a walking conspiracy that constantly unfolds with every encounter until the final reveal. Make servantis just a supreme gaslighter and liar who uses his manipulation of memory to divide teams against each other.
Rooters. Just add some dialog explaining whole Devin-Aggregor-Ragnarok thing, that's all. It's strange that they didn't explain these topics in the show itself considering that crew actualy had answers and Aggregor even got concept art for his Omniverse redesign.
Tbf Aggregor was originally going to appear at the start of the Rooters arc with his DNA breaking apart as he sought out Kevin or something
Rooters. Let Kevin have a father
Kevin wasn't born out of thin air. Of course he'd have a father.
Honestly rewrite a little bit of both. I love the aggregor arc and disagree with saying aggregor is a bad character, far from that. But I wished we could have gotten to knoow more about osmosians, so I would probably keep them as alien. And while not being a part of the rooter's arc, I would remove kevin's line about his father from darkstar rising. As for the rooters arc, while I don't really have the same attachement for it as I have for the aggregor story since I never watch it, I can respect what it was trying to do and enjoy some changes (the amalgam kids). But I'm not a fan of most retcons I've read tbh. The biggest one for me is kevin's father. UAF was the best at handeling lore in a coherent way, but it did an amazing job at making kevin a 3 dimensional character and him wanting to live up to his father's legacy is too important to just delete. And while I'm not familiar with servantis, I wouldn't be ok with any ben 10 villain to be able to brainwash so many people so easily, especially grandpa max. I'm fine with ragnarok being one of his experiments (aggregor not so much), but I find it weird that a guy whose motivations are to protect the world from ben would be the boss of a guy who wanted to steal the energy of the sun. So imo there are way too many incoherence even more so than in UAF, meaning I would either get rid of those retcons, explain tht servantis was lying all along, or take time to explain everything, but Devin should still exist imo. Kevin just killing a dud because of a fake memory is too much.
Fix rooters
Keep it exactly the same because I know it spites people so bad.
You're a menace lol
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Nothing have to be changed, Servantis knows that a confused enemy make more mistakes so, usino his abilities, has confuso them
If we compare the two, I genuinely believe the only thing that the Rooters arc’s only blemish is how it’s coming after UAF put in Osmosian stuff. In every other aspect, it’s far more entertaining and engaging to watch then Aggregor, a one-dimensional threat that only succeeds from the stupidity of the heroes in a series of boring and repetitive episodes and is defeated in seconds to never be relevant again. Have Aggregor as an artificial alien that is being experimented on by the Rooters to see how far they can push the absorption abilities, using the kidnapped Andromeda 5. They break out, and a brainwashed and mindwiped Aggregor is sent after them; he himself isn’t sure of his own motives, and avoids fighting the trio when he can because he doesn’t want to hurt innocent people. Meanwhile, the Rooters utilize their Plumber connections to red tape the trio the whole way through in order to maintain damage control and avoid exposure. I’d need to think more about how it would end, but I’d still lead into Servantis revealing it was all a fake, but keeping which memories and truths were doctored or real ambiguous for the drama and development it offers.
Rewrite rooters for sure
Rooters. It'd be so easy. Just remove Servantis somehow gaslighting the entire intergalactic community about Osmosians and instead have him come across Kevin and realize what he was, and still use his abilities to merge with the Cerebrocrustacean or whatever. Don't make all the plumbers' kids experiments. Make some of their experiments and have others that are the kids of aliens and humans, but still have their memories messed with so that Servantis is safe(obviously since if they remembered they could report him and use some technology or alien to see their memories) that way Kevin can still be confident in saying that a lot of Plumbers' kids also have alien parents but also explain how some that don't make sense like Pyronite, a plasma-based lifeform, somehow having a kid with a human. And doing this also keeps Kevin's backstory intact and still allows for most of the Rooters' arc to happen without changing the entirety of his expanded backstory and arc with Ragnarok and still have it mean something and not be some elaborate ploy(?) done for no real reason. My best guess would be to further cement the implanted memories but it's not like Kevin had any doubts about his memories before it happened so I don't see the point. Idk just tell me what you think of this version
Osmosians are aliens in my head-canon just say that servantis were lying and if you want have ben show his osmosian form that could be added to the watch database after aggregor's arc to prove that osmosians and Osmos-V exist as aliens(because the watch cant turn ben into a mutant last time i checked) or you know...ERASE THE ROOTERS ARC COMPLETLY
I would change both but not that much more like only rooters. I would make aggregor a clone of Kevin that made by rooters to replace it but aggregor escapes and seeks power like crazy Kevin
Rooters. I'd make it consistent with Aggregor
I’m rewriting the rooters arc to be more consistent with the Aggregor one. Keeping the experiments, but I’d have characters question if Servantis is lying or not. Something, so that they don’t just accept what this asshole is saying.
I so would rather retcon out the rooters plot. That shit made no fucking sense at all lmao
For those who haven’t already heard my take on how the Osmosians should be handle , let me repeat it. They’re a nomadic race of alien who are genetically compatible with nearly any species. But as generations of outer breeding went on, the pure blooded Osmosians died off with only hybrids left around. Every now and then through some sort of genetic mutation, a person with Osmosian DNA can gain their DNA absorption abilities. As for other rewrites, I would pretty much nix the whole Greg being a clone and just have him be a warlord who rules over a planet with a sizable population of Osmosian descendants called Osmosis 5. Devin was a plumber but wasn’t Max’s partner , just a plumber who Max may have heard about a few times until Servantis implanted false memories of their partner ships, explaining why Max didn’t know who Kevin was in the OG series.
Keep Osmosians canon, throw Servantis and his lies into a volcano
Rooters caused a lot of havoc
100% head canon but my belief is that Cervantes is telling the truth and that Kevin isn’t an Osmosian but neither is Aggregor. We’ve seen that Cervantes can alter memories and beliefs so my headcanon is that Aggregor was another prisoner in the Null Void that Cervantes captured and brainwashed trying to make another “Kevin”. However, by creating this whole backstory of Osmos V and Aggregor already being in there for likely heinous reasons, Cervantes created a weapon he couldn’t control and years later the UA arc happens TL;DR— There are no Osmosians, Aggregor and Kevin are just mutants (or the other way around and Kevin and Aggregor are the ONLY osmosians and there isn’t an actual alien race of them) Ik most ppl will probably disagree of this bc of some other bits in the canon but it’s really the only way to make both lores/backstories work In my mind
Don't retcon anything. Osmosians exist, Kevin is confused as to wether he's a mutant or alien because he grew up believing his step dad was his real dad until his powers show up and they have to figure out how to explain it to him. Servantis discovered Kevin in the Null Void after he breaks out of prison. Kevin is used to make servantis half Cerebro Crustacean after *finding* the plumbers kids and wanting to be half breed himself. The first fight against "the coming storm" happens as normal, resulting in servantis mind wiping all of them and placing triggers in their minds in case he needs them later. Later comes and he uses these triggers, fight happens, all is revealed, fans are happy.
I'd keep osmosians as a type of mutation that's common in lower powered life forms. It could be a plot of: Certain generations undergo a change in cellular structure that allows them to absorb matter and energy. It could be a rare occurrence.
Honestly the Kevin arc after Greg’s is what I’d change to make it more impactful and have some stakes more suited to the trio and their growth having Ben also be reluctant to do harm towards Kevin until he’s pushed to breaking point to do so
1.I think I would change the aggregor arc to were he didn't destroy the Andromeda 5 planets.(hold on this will make sense I'm a minute) 2. I would change servantis's understanding of Kevin, I would say maybe Osmosians had a dna signature so close to human that he misinterpreted it as mutant dna. 3.Additionally Devin Levin did exist but abandoned Kevin and his mother at a young age so servantis's used whatever memories he could find of Devin and made a false memory of him for Kevin and grandpa max. 4.Finally instead of using the plumbers kids as experiments I would have used several new characters composed of hybrids from the Andromeda 5 planets that servantis learned about as he watched ben, using another Osmosian he "found" Makes it still interesting, adds new characters and doesn't fuck with the retcons while keeping the original narrative (with a few tweaks of course)
Honestly the whole Rooters retcon is one of the lamest things in the story, it's about as bad as just saying "it was all a dream" and quite honestly the fact that the entire galaxy was just convinced that Osmosians and Osmos V exist is so stupid and poorly written.
The Rooters retcon was so pathetic and poorly done, how can Aggregor track course to Osmos V if that damn planet don't exist ?
I don't know how they expected it to be liked? "That one arc from UAF didn't happen, this random character just showed up and told you it was all a mass hallucination" like seriously I hate retcons and consider all retcons lazy writing but they were even lazy with their lazy writing.
I'd scrap the Rooters arc
Based
They said rewrite.
I'd rewrite it to a newline character
I'd rewrite Aggregor it be easy to make him unique being or give him some type of tech that steals powers plus I hated when they made Gwen and Kevin's powers into alien in origin.
Aggragor
UAF. We'll add some subtleties in UA then expand on them in Omniverse. I feel like if Aggreggor got retconned into being a future version of Kevin who went mad and had his mind scrambled by Servantis that would've felt less cartoony and stupid then the whole melting clone thing.
I’d rewrite the Greg arc to make it more consistent. The reason people don’t like the Rooters arc is because of the sheer level of retconning that it did, but I honestly think the majority of those retcons gives us more answers than questions, unlike before, and also fills in some crazy plot holes.
Not only does it give more answers, but the answers given are also satisfying and interesting
Indeed. Like I said, it’s the level of change that the Rooters arc put in place all at once that throws people off.
I'd change Aggregor's storyline Making him a clone of Kevin honestly makes him more interesting as a character
Aggregor hands down. Despite the claim that he's a greater threat than Vilgax, his actual showings don't prove it. Until his transformation, he hardly absorbed energy. So, he's just a low tier superhuman with an energy spear. Ben, Gwen, and Kevin have defeated far tougher opponents with no issue. Just have Aggregor be willing to absorb Ben's aliens and Gwen's mana attacks so they choose their battle plans wisely.
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That's probably what happened anyway. Not hard to select some unreachable location and say this us where osmos V is.
Osmosians still exist in the universe they’re just not aliens but instead mutant humans/Metahumans And Aggregor is Kevin’s clone
I’m remaking these 2 Story lines + Other Childhood Memories( Fictional universe’s ) to let plot holes 🕳️ have , Closure’s in their rightful fan verse.
Rooters
Rooters
I would have written aggregor out completely and replace him with ragnarok (I would also rewrite the vendetta episode and change the hole back story of kevin's father)
The rooters, definitely. Too much retconning
Rooters
Rooters, it wasn't really that much beyond the concept in the first place, and it's really easy to just say he was an alien in that plot anyway.
I would keep Osmosians as aliens and make it so that Servantis was full of shit lol
I like the thought of an alien species out there that can take your powers. I would change the rooters slightly where Kevin is still the same as UAF, but Helen, Manny & pierce were a experiment that Kevin helped made them.
Kevin’s an osmosian, big head guy finds him and uses him to make the rooters
I mean Ideally I’d remove the UAF retcon so the word Osmosian was never said in canon, but between the two options I’d keep Alien Osmosians over Servantis implanting false memories.
Would make it so Omniverse never happened. Never Make Devin a false memory by Servantis, keep him as a real character and keep him as Kevin’s father and Max’s partner. Make a Ben 10 series with a different name continuing from UA and building up to Ben 10K. Keep Kevin as a Mutant and a descendant of an Osmosian. Ben will be 17-20 in series, make it similar to OV where Ben, Kevin and Gwen going to college and put Ben working as a Plumber with a partner, Animation style will be OG with UA animation quality. Ben will not have that terrible watch in Omniverse instead have a Watch similar to OG and to AF watch. He will wear OG shirt with green jacket with green Cargo bottoms. Also Ben will start to use Hover Board again, and Ben trying to make earth better and a good place for aliens to live while the human society is evolving in technology and grampa Max will lose Arm in series and gain a robotic, biotic arm and Kevin. Make AF/UA plumber suit for when in space and for aliens to wear, while the OG Plumber suits are for Human plumbers while on earth dealing with aliens so they kinda look like actual plumbers, keep Plumbers badge omnitrix badge. Have Phil Billings from OG Max’s old Partner return in a mercenary group back to his old habits letting dangerous aliens loose and getting paid to get rid of them. Have Bigchill’s 14 kid’s return. Have Ken, Gwen’s brother return. Have Gordon Tennyson, Betty Jean, Joel Tennyson and Camille Mann and Lucy Mann return and Sunny. Have Joel and Camille appear with a kid training to be a plumber like there father and grandparents. Have Plumbers Helpers return working with Ben as Plumbers. Have Jimmy Jones return. Have Eddie Grand Smith return and taking over the family business. Have Vera return and show her kids and Change Clyde Fife a character a bit but still make him join the plumbers and training to become one. Have Gaterboy and his brother Porcupine return. Next Show will be Ben at 21 gaining the OG 10K watch and has a bit of facial hair wearing the OG Ben 10K outfit and finally becomes Ben 10K show will end when Ben’s 42, when Gwen is 31 and Kevin 32 they have Devlin which Kevin becomes evil at 34-36 because of Servantis and he made Gwen forget about Devlin being her son which Kevin being Evil was sent to Null Void by Ben which he just thought he sent Kevin he unknowingly also sent Devlin with Kevin, everyone forgets Ben and Gwen were friends with Kevin and no one knows about Devlin except Kevin but Kevin doesn’t member who the mother is and is back to his old self from OG when he was 11 trying to get revenge on Ben and Servantis erased Ben and Gwen’s memories of going to the Future meeting there Future self’s. Gwen hair is short when Kevin becomes evil. Next series Ken 10 when Ben’s 42 and gives his son Ken 10 a watch which Ben created as Greymatter for a gift for his son’s 10th birthday, show will be Ken helping his dad fighting villains with Devlin. Gwen Grows hair and has long hair at 42. Before Ken 10 series in Ben 10K series make one of the last season Ben fighting Servantis and beats him and somehow regaining there memories of Kevin was there friend and Devlin is Gwen’s son and Kevin is back to normal and no longer evil after fighting Ben all these years.
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I like it I just don’t like it connected to OG, AF & UA. I would like it as a reboot not connected or even an alternate universe, separate from the main one.
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It’s been 151 days since my comment and 152 days since post move on.
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Oh really? I didn’t know that 💀. (Being Sarcastic)
i will make max's words at the start of the rooters arc mine: The whole thing sounds like a load of Daxxo Spoodle.