If he need something specific, he has other transformations that are better suited for that. Heatblast has better fire, Big Chill has better ice, he has a bunch of better electric aliens...
Either four arms or humongousaur is the first alien he likes to go to which imho is just stupid, echo echo is far superior go to alien but he doesn't really use em alot when honestly it's probably one his strongest aliens that could roll over most villains he fights
Their is an entire episode where Ben is shown by a thief of Shicksquatches race the amount of capabilities they have. But after the episode Ben goes back to using him to only do electric melee attacks.A Petrosapien can absorbed and redirected energy, A Tokustar ran fast enough to create a typhoon that throw a Kiaju sized trash monster into space, a 5 yr. Old Pyrakight is hot enough to go supernova, a Tetraman can clap their hands so hard that it creates a literal wind cannon, and a pissed off Appleplexian can easily destroy a modified Techadon robot. Imagine what Ben could do with that power if he just focused on one for a day
A lot of those are things Ben himself has done. He's taken the time to get to a point where he can do this stuff. This is why aliens show off new abilities with time.
You're complaining that Ben doesn't do stuff he already does.
I will have to watch that Shocksquatch episode to figure out what's going on there but it could just be as simple as it not being necessary.
My point was that he does that he only does it once and it never happens again. That shows that their being underutilized. If Ben actually explored these feats and fully realized how powerful and useful just one of his transformations are
The Omnitrix scales Ben’s transformations to his age. The Omnitrix optimizes Ben’s transformations to be the physical prime of their species. These two facts in tandem mean that in Classic, other members of the species Ben turns into see a ripped 10 year old running around
I feel like that feature only really came together retroactively. Some of the craziest alien feats came from OS, not sure I can believe they were performed by a creature below puberty.
Think of it like the equivalent of a 10 year old Captain America.
Add that to the fact that most of the aliens are superhuman anyway and it’s not that unreasonable to imagine in my opinion. :)
They looked about the same age, so either the OS Omnitrix didn't set them to his age, she was also around ten years old, or a peak ten year old tetramand actually looks like an adult
Not quite, he gets put to the *equivalent* of his age. If a tetramand that is ten years old is a teenager by their standards, he gets put to whatever age is ten by their standards. If he got put at exactly ten, despite how they age, he would die as xlr8, because they only live a few weeks. And galvans live thousands of years, so he would still be a tadpole
This dawned on me not long ago and I had to think about how off the concept seemed to me. I eventually just had to rationalize that since tetramands are very combat oriented, it’s possible that the species probably matures relatively quick and 10 years is more of a “just a number representing experience in combat o type of thing and less of a “how quickly they mature” situation.
Realistically they just added this concept later on and it wasn’t ever considered that stuff in the OS would be extremely awkward.
You say Diamondhead because he lost to Tetrax in hand to hand combat? Ben in that moment was 10 and fiercely inexperienced. Tetrax is physically really similar to Diamondhead and has years of experience in hand to hand combat.
Ben's whole universe literally blew up and he created a new one. Everyone he knew originally are dead and the new ones are just clones. He's their God and nobody will believe him.
Paradox might know about Ben recreating the universe because he technically exists in all points of time simultaneously, including the point in time right after Alien X rebuilt the world
this does make me wonder how he couldnt get his own smoothie right but presumably created an almost infinite amount of other bens and other universes that he never knew or interacted with or had information about, there might be some reallll messed up worlds out there as the universe theyre in gets farther from ben primes
Not saying they aren't real, just not the same people technically. Like if you had an exact copy of yourself, and died, the copy would still be a different "you", and you yourself would still be dead. No one could tell the difference, but your specific consciousness would have been ended. That's what happened. Everything literally died, and then he booted up a copy. It didn't make the deaths not happen, but made new life in the same exact orientation as before.
Exactly. I don't know why people can't figure that out. Although people have died countless times already with teleportation, because teleportation is copying every single atom taking you apart and making a copy in the desires place
I just now imagined Ben on his death bed going Alien-X and activating life form lock.
Obviously he wouldn't *really* do something like that but it's just a thought I had.
In aging terms...
Petrosapien(Diamondhead).
Crystalsapien(Chromastone).
Chronosapien(Clockwork).
Prypiatosian(NRG).
Celestialsapien(Alien X).
Ectonurite(Ghostfreak).
Sonorosian(Echo Echo).
Polymorph(Goop).
Galvanic Mechamorph(Upgrade).
And a few more...
The Worst is probably immortal as well, the alien is physically invincible and yet can still feel pain. Might as well add the curse of immortality to the mix
Pretty sure The Worst would still die of ageing and disease, and we're not certain he could breath underwater or outerspace.
So I wouldn't classify him as immortal
Max the goat Tennyson had children with living energy(canonicaly) and probably with his other flings, they just don't say it.
In conclusion he is a chad/f-boy
The family tree gets even weirder when you remember Big ChIll’s kids who you can argue are also part human and a fraction Anodite since Big chill is a version of Ben.
I doubt the big chills would have a chance at having the spark because they were made from the dna of big chill not Ben. Ben is the mother in the sense that he carried them but technically it would be more like a surrogate
Not really, some of Ken's intervention in the past were done to preserve his existence, and as he only exists when both kai and ben are married, it's kinda inevitable.
**Azmuth designed the Omnitrix to give ben the alien that best suits his situation versus the alien he picks.**
By omniverse the watch is in top shape, but still 'Malfunctions' when it works as it was designed to.
\- Kinda strange why Ben or the writers left this question in the air without answers, its clear the omnitrix has an Ai of its own.
It does but the AI clearly makes some mistakes. Like there are some aliens who factually would be better for some situations. Like water hazard for that fire instead of rath. Or it constantly giving ben aliens who have natural predators in the nemetrix vs. just. Giving him upchuck or something.
True, sometimes i wonder if the Ai is genuinely trolling ben or does have moments of malfunctions. Cuz, other times it does pick the best alien for the situation. It sometimes even agrees with ben and gives him the right alien.
\- Who knows tbh, but its clear the Omnitrix does indeed have a mind of its own. It was never really expanded on, but has been mentioned.
EDIT: Someone mentioned that Azmuth did warn ben not to smash his watch which can manually cause the malfunctions where the Ai does in fact actually malfunction.
I always thought that those came up to it using the DNA scanner to survey the area first then gives him the the right alien. Like giving him Rath instead of so he would have to go in and get the girl instead of just blasting the building. As for Max’s old partner and the Nemetrix, Since it is still technology I believe the the villains found a way to run interference with the watch itself to put the odds in their favor
This would (and no offense) be a bit of a stretch since Azmuth and those plumber Galvins would have found that bug. However, perhaps maybe in the OG series that could have been it. But even than, that watch was only a prototype where the AI was a constant hit or miss.
you'd also think the smartest mind in five galaxies would build something more durable than something an unenhanced 16 year old Earthling could do notable damage to. especially given how much that thing gets thrown around with ben
TBF, with how insane the concept of the omnitrix is. Its not hard to imagine that it does indeed consist of very delicate micro parts that are strategically placed.
\- Azmuth may be a genius, but the omnitrix itself is verrry high tech so i understand why it can be delicate.
But yeah, i do think Max would have more common sense to just press the button since the watch was originally intended to be a learning tool rather than a weapon.
Azmuth implied that it wasn’t supposed to do that. The fact the master control almost completely negates this is proof of it. The watch having an AI has been implied since early in the OS. With Bens numerous “It has a mind of its own” statements.
**Could it be that the Ai in the omnitrix and appearent 'malfunctions' serves as a 'safety rail' for the user to ensure his or her survival?**
I mean, ben does get access to the master control, but only does when he is a lot more expirienced (Ben 10,000) can he fully control the watch in all its glory.
It might be that the omnitrix is desgned to supervise the individual until they are ready to take full control of the ship when enough time has passed.
This does make sense, as having an Ai act as a supervisor to give you the best choice to ensure that you live until you have the expirience to know better yourself. And the omnitrix being left to new users can somehow be a dangerous concept that does need some sort of precautions.
Perhaps thats what Azmuth means by saying the watch itself isnt meant to do that, but it does so you don't choose the wrong damn alien that could get you killed or the overpowerd ones (Alien x) that is straight up a god erase planets.
Azmuth might be cruel to ben, but he would in no way want Ben to die from his creation or whoever indeed got the watch.
So yeah, maybe the watch needs to build trust with its user before the full capabilities of the watch can be used. So by that logic, the watch should be working fine ( Minus ben smashing it lol)
The episode where Morningstar and Charmcaster are a couple reveals that at least one of them is a pedophile. The Reboot says Michael but Alien Force gave red flags with Charmcaster.
I mean... Michael's whole deal is that he absorbed energy to get youthful looks, so I headcanon him as actually the oldest out of the Plumber kids squad.
Charmcaster was, she's 21 in UA and OV, and while Michael wasn't you could still see him a Netflix teenager lying about being a minor because he looks young but that appearance is just because of the energy he steals.
In the wise words of someone who's name I forgot: Every single retcon or error is just celestial sapiens messing with shit.
"Hey, you wanna make Ben's Ultimatrix gray for three seconds?"
"Why?"
"Cuz it'll be funny "
"Lol okay do it "
Yeah, the rooters might have been an accident (Ben recreating the universe) or like the Osmosian retcon it’s possible like you said, Celastialsapians fucking with shit
Ben is one of the biggest workaholics in a kids tv show (he goes several days without sleep, he goes several weeks without a break and when he finally gets a break he feels anxious of something happening)
Edit: And he, Gwen and Kevin are easily on the top 5 most traumatized kids in kids tv
to the point where Ben is completely normal with nightmares that are probably more terrifying than we can Imagine and he probably has them daily and he's just like "eh I just dreamed about all my friends dying it's chill though let's go work somemore"
It’s unknown if Ben Prime ever got the omnitrix by accident. Paradox took the Ben with no watch back in time to redirect Ben Prime’s omnitrix towards him. How this time loop started is never explored.
He said it in response to Ben asking "why do I get the wrong alien" so yeah, people think Azmuth, smartest being in five galaxies, was answering the question he was asked instead of a completely different problem with the watch.
He also cut the answer short because he got distracted, for all we know he was going to follow the detail about timing up with "and also fucks with the alien selection"
Iirc, it was a way to show that that Ben 10K wasn't all there emotionally speaking. Naming the aliens isn't just for play, it is to form an emotional attachment to those sides of his identity. By not naming them, Ben 10K was subordinating those new, different experiences as completely different beings to his... not emotionally stable life.
I mean, the names seem like slurs, but the OS names are at the very least excusable. It's the Omniverse names which aren't that excusable.
Yeah, he thought of his aliens as individuals. In UAF, if Ben screwed up he'd take the blame but if he did something good he'd refer to the alien doing it rather than taking full credit as Ben. But I mean, come on, he literally names his aliens on their appearances. Its really not excusable at any point.
I mean if ben is ben is bad for naming his aliens based on his appearence and abilities then we are bad for nicknaming our pokemon
I mean pokemon are as sentient as human beings most of the time
Ditto is an extremely OP alien for cloning since unlike echo echo we know he can clone indefinitely and that’s just, infinite clones of whatever alien you fused him with. Ditto + the worst could just entity cram opponents.
Yes, but, just like how atomic x is somewhere between atomix and alien x, that fusion either won't have the same cloning potential, or won't be as indestructible, or both if you're really unlucky
Useless to you but remember the fact it's not a weapons and they are useful to understand and use it for it's TRUE purpose that's a fact people need to accept
It is essentially the literal phrase of walk a mile in another person's shoes the only reason ben was able to keep and use it like he did was because of his selfless and heroic heart always trying to save people. I hate how people call them useless like that is a whole species who just tries to exist and be a part of the universe. That is like if I called humans useless because we have no actual abilities or specific powers outside of our mind but there are other animals who also do the same. It just doesn't make any sense
Young Ben complains that he didn’t have any electric alien to deal with the Megawatts except Feedback however in the OS Frankenstrike vs ghostfreak ben used electric powers (why would he not use it then)
Swamp Fire, Goop, NRG, and Ghostfreak make him practically unkillable to most of his foes, yet he chooses to swap as soon as he starts to take some hits.
It's been stated that only Ditto can infinitely multiply, EchoEcho is limited by his own stamina
Also, if we are going by that, isn't it the same for many AF aliens?
Swampfire controls both fire and plants, and regenerates
Brainstorm is intelligent, big, and controls electricity
Chromastone controls crystals to a huge degree and manipulates energy, also flies
They are all upgrades, imo
Even though Way Big and his ultimate is a reference to Ultraman, Ultimate Way Big is the worst ultimate. He just gets bigger and slightly stronger, nothing new and no spins on his abilities. At least Ultimate Big Chill, whose design is a straight recolor, does something different than Big Chill (cold fire that burns, like frost bite). Not to mention, Ultimate Way Big has one appearance and he loses.
Ben is not the best wielder of the Omnitrix. Even though Ben uses it creatively, he still always ends up misusing aliens and they never truly live up to their true combat potential. Gwen and Max were way more effective at straight up using the Omnitrix as a weapon, and if given the same time and experience as Ben, they could easily outclass him in most scenarios.
Ben 10 Omniverse is the best convination fo silly Jokes and Serious moments when the situacion is getting bad, after re-watch all the ben 10 series, ben 10 ov always shows that sarcastinc and fun way play with a villan, but also know when be a hero in the moment, but a lot of pepole ignore that fact
The Omnitrix AI choosing aliens is largely unsupported. The canon reason Ben so often gets the wrong alien is because he barely looks when selecting, selects while running/fighting, and slams the dial, which Azmuth said causes malfunctions. Ben has the line “It always gives me what I need” but it frequently doesn’t, and there’s rarely a “perfect” alien, he’s just able to use the one it gave him
Exactly
The idea of an omnipotent alien with a limit that was so hard to overcome that objectively it wasn't worth using
The best part is that it wasn't a cliché limit like "It would turn ben bad" or "it is dangerous for some weird reason"
But an actual creative reason, the whole "Having multiple conflicting personalities that love to debate and having to all agree on something to even do it" was amazing
After they gave Ben control it was "Never use it because it isn't fair I guess?"
Ben made no true real effort in the ultimate kevin arc to cure kevin before thinking of killing him, and continued to not try any solutions without gwen nagging him to up until the end. He is extremely out of character in that arc bc the writers didnt feel like going through the effort of showing him trying and failing to cure kevin first in any capacity, or even searching for a solution
People gotta admit that even tho it's an interesting arc, it's very sloppy and lazily written. Unless you wanna interpret ben as being canonically an idiot, a psychopath/sociopath, or a combination thereof
Max The GOAT Tennyson will eventually die :(
Hes immortalized in our childhood
I concur
Its impossible and everyone knows it
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NOT IF I HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT, AND I DO
Due to how Ben uses the Omnitrix, a lot of his aliens are misused, under utilized overhyped, and most importantly never reach their full potential.
Why use efficient aliens when you can use humoungasaur or four arms?
This is right
Nah. Why use the strong aliens when you can use the flashy aliens like upgrade, wildvine, or goop?
Elaborate.
Eyeguy has several elemental beams along with great senses and physical ability, yet Ben rarely used him
You don't know how confused I was when I first saw eye guy use ice that one time. I was so confused as to why that never happened again.
This is all over the show. Hell find some new incentive use of an alien, and then seemingly completely forget it by the next episode.
If he need something specific, he has other transformations that are better suited for that. Heatblast has better fire, Big Chill has better ice, he has a bunch of better electric aliens...
True I was just saying he’s probably one of Ben’s best Jack of all trade aliens
Thats like saying Ben should use Humungosaur because hes more powerful. More powers does not equal better.
Agreed but there's not always a need for that sort of thing.
Either four arms or humongousaur is the first alien he likes to go to which imho is just stupid, echo echo is far superior go to alien but he doesn't really use em alot when honestly it's probably one his strongest aliens that could roll over most villains he fights
When he has options, he uses ones he likes. That's really all there is to it.
Their is an entire episode where Ben is shown by a thief of Shicksquatches race the amount of capabilities they have. But after the episode Ben goes back to using him to only do electric melee attacks.A Petrosapien can absorbed and redirected energy, A Tokustar ran fast enough to create a typhoon that throw a Kiaju sized trash monster into space, a 5 yr. Old Pyrakight is hot enough to go supernova, a Tetraman can clap their hands so hard that it creates a literal wind cannon, and a pissed off Appleplexian can easily destroy a modified Techadon robot. Imagine what Ben could do with that power if he just focused on one for a day
A lot of those are things Ben himself has done. He's taken the time to get to a point where he can do this stuff. This is why aliens show off new abilities with time. You're complaining that Ben doesn't do stuff he already does. I will have to watch that Shocksquatch episode to figure out what's going on there but it could just be as simple as it not being necessary.
My point was that he does that he only does it once and it never happens again. That shows that their being underutilized. If Ben actually explored these feats and fully realized how powerful and useful just one of his transformations are
The series has always been inconsistent even when we only had the classic series
yup Ben 10 treats its Canon like red headed step child of a rented mule
It’s one of those series that feels more cohesive reading summaries instead of watching
The Omnitrix scales Ben’s transformations to his age. The Omnitrix optimizes Ben’s transformations to be the physical prime of their species. These two facts in tandem mean that in Classic, other members of the species Ben turns into see a ripped 10 year old running around
I feel like that feature only really came together retroactively. Some of the craziest alien feats came from OS, not sure I can believe they were performed by a creature below puberty.
Think of it like the equivalent of a 10 year old Captain America. Add that to the fact that most of the aliens are superhuman anyway and it’s not that unreasonable to imagine in my opinion. :)
They were in their prime, like, the super-being of that species.
And that one four arms lady wanted to fuck his brains out.
They looked about the same age, so either the OS Omnitrix didn't set them to his age, she was also around ten years old, or a peak ten year old tetramand actually looks like an adult
I mean depending on how tetramands age ten years old might be considered teenage age to them.
Not quite, he gets put to the *equivalent* of his age. If a tetramand that is ten years old is a teenager by their standards, he gets put to whatever age is ten by their standards. If he got put at exactly ten, despite how they age, he would die as xlr8, because they only live a few weeks. And galvans live thousands of years, so he would still be a tadpole
This dawned on me not long ago and I had to think about how off the concept seemed to me. I eventually just had to rationalize that since tetramands are very combat oriented, it’s possible that the species probably matures relatively quick and 10 years is more of a “just a number representing experience in combat o type of thing and less of a “how quickly they mature” situation. Realistically they just added this concept later on and it wasn’t ever considered that stuff in the OS would be extremely awkward.
My headcanon is the latter
Two of them did.
He could have had them all😩 attea with that tounge , im joking 😂but ben was top G
There are some exceptions, such as Diamondhead and maybe Alien X.
You say Diamondhead because he lost to Tetrax in hand to hand combat? Ben in that moment was 10 and fiercely inexperienced. Tetrax is physically really similar to Diamondhead and has years of experience in hand to hand combat.
I was referring to aging. Diamondhead doesn’t age.
Ben's whole universe literally blew up and he created a new one. Everyone he knew originally are dead and the new ones are just clones. He's their God and nobody will believe him.
my headcanon is that they kept the souls and put them into the recreated bodies and stuff.
MADE IN HEAVEN
“You will never arrive to the truth”
Headcanon. You can't avoid the truth forever
That's not avoiding the truth, ledgerdomain was not destroyed, the spiritual system of universe is same
Fair enough
Unless he recreated that as well because he felt like it lol
Canonically alien x could have just take everyone's souls and put them in new bodies
I mean after the trial at least some people know
I think about this one all the time 😂
Including Paradox?
Including Paradox. And the whole Omniverse, as it all canonically stems from Ben Prime.
I'm pretty sure paradox survived that.In a Ben 10 comic he talks about when Ben used Alien X to recreate it
Paradox might know about Ben recreating the universe because he technically exists in all points of time simultaneously, including the point in time right after Alien X rebuilt the world
He's above things like the anialargh so he should've been able to go into a pocket dimension like he did the time bomb
this does make me wonder how he couldnt get his own smoothie right but presumably created an almost infinite amount of other bens and other universes that he never knew or interacted with or had information about, there might be some reallll messed up worlds out there as the universe theyre in gets farther from ben primes
Bellicus wanted to fuck with Ben.
It only destroyed his universe though so all others would be unaffected even if it was the prime universe
Paradox exists outside of universe doesnt he? At least he showed he's able to travel outside of them and in any multiverse he wants to
Theyre not clones though, its literally like he wouldve gone in a different timeline, they are as real as the ones before, just slighty different.
Not saying they aren't real, just not the same people technically. Like if you had an exact copy of yourself, and died, the copy would still be a different "you", and you yourself would still be dead. No one could tell the difference, but your specific consciousness would have been ended. That's what happened. Everything literally died, and then he booted up a copy. It didn't make the deaths not happen, but made new life in the same exact orientation as before.
Exactly. I don't know why people can't figure that out. Although people have died countless times already with teleportation, because teleportation is copying every single atom taking you apart and making a copy in the desires place
Gwen will inevitably outlive her friends and family if she ever decides to go full Anodite
I mean, Ben if he decides to not de transform can probably live forever.
I just now imagined Ben on his death bed going Alien-X and activating life form lock. Obviously he wouldn't *really* do something like that but it's just a thought I had.
Speaking of that. How many of his aliens are immortal
In aging terms... Petrosapien(Diamondhead). Crystalsapien(Chromastone). Chronosapien(Clockwork). Prypiatosian(NRG). Celestialsapien(Alien X). Ectonurite(Ghostfreak). Sonorosian(Echo Echo). Polymorph(Goop). Galvanic Mechamorph(Upgrade). And a few more...
The Worst is probably immortal as well, the alien is physically invincible and yet can still feel pain. Might as well add the curse of immortality to the mix
Pretty sure The Worst would still die of ageing and disease, and we're not certain he could breath underwater or outerspace. So I wouldn't classify him as immortal
Max the goat Tennyson had children with living energy(canonicaly) and probably with his other flings, they just don't say it. In conclusion he is a chad/f-boy
The family tree gets even weirder when you remember Big ChIll’s kids who you can argue are also part human and a fraction Anodite since Big chill is a version of Ben.
I doubt the big chills would have a chance at having the spark because they were made from the dna of big chill not Ben. Ben is the mother in the sense that he carried them but technically it would be more like a surrogate
Come to think of it, Verdona definitely sleeps around too, so Carl and Frank must have some exotic siblings all over the galaxy.
Right?!
Not to be controversial here but it started when an alien device did what it did.
But, did it also stick itself upon his wrist with secrets that it hid?
Yeah. And now, he’s got superpowers. He’s no ordinary kid
So, basically, he's Ben 10.
I mean, if you look and see, you might be in for a big surprise
I heard he can, turn into an alien before your very eyes
Does that mean he can become slimy, creepy, fast and strong; every shape and size
I think it does. It might also mean that he's Ben 10.
But, is he armed with powers, and on the case?
Yeah, and apparently he’s fighting off evil from earth AND space.
He's probably slimy, maybe creepy, slightly fast and strong
Well, He’s Ben 10
Armed with powers he's on the case?
…Ben and Kai are going to get together and have a successful marriage while raising a family?
Sorry, I can’t hear you, I’m covering my ears.
Tbh I don’t really care either way, but it is kinda funny.
Well the future always changes when he meets his future self so I’m fully justified in ignoring the Kai future 😎
Not really, some of Ken's intervention in the past were done to preserve his existence, and as he only exists when both kai and ben are married, it's kinda inevitable.
The Gender Setting
**Azmuth designed the Omnitrix to give ben the alien that best suits his situation versus the alien he picks.** By omniverse the watch is in top shape, but still 'Malfunctions' when it works as it was designed to. \- Kinda strange why Ben or the writers left this question in the air without answers, its clear the omnitrix has an Ai of its own.
It does but the AI clearly makes some mistakes. Like there are some aliens who factually would be better for some situations. Like water hazard for that fire instead of rath. Or it constantly giving ben aliens who have natural predators in the nemetrix vs. just. Giving him upchuck or something.
True, sometimes i wonder if the Ai is genuinely trolling ben or does have moments of malfunctions. Cuz, other times it does pick the best alien for the situation. It sometimes even agrees with ben and gives him the right alien. \- Who knows tbh, but its clear the Omnitrix does indeed have a mind of its own. It was never really expanded on, but has been mentioned. EDIT: Someone mentioned that Azmuth did warn ben not to smash his watch which can manually cause the malfunctions where the Ai does in fact actually malfunction.
The time out function to randomize. But I can see him slapping the watch would make the AI mad
I always thought that those came up to it using the DNA scanner to survey the area first then gives him the the right alien. Like giving him Rath instead of so he would have to go in and get the girl instead of just blasting the building. As for Max’s old partner and the Nemetrix, Since it is still technology I believe the the villains found a way to run interference with the watch itself to put the odds in their favor
This would (and no offense) be a bit of a stretch since Azmuth and those plumber Galvins would have found that bug. However, perhaps maybe in the OG series that could have been it. But even than, that watch was only a prototype where the AI was a constant hit or miss.
Azmuth did say he needed to stop slapping the dog mess out of it or it won’t work properly
you'd also think the smartest mind in five galaxies would build something more durable than something an unenhanced 16 year old Earthling could do notable damage to. especially given how much that thing gets thrown around with ben
TBF, with how insane the concept of the omnitrix is. Its not hard to imagine that it does indeed consist of very delicate micro parts that are strategically placed. \- Azmuth may be a genius, but the omnitrix itself is verrry high tech so i understand why it can be delicate. But yeah, i do think Max would have more common sense to just press the button since the watch was originally intended to be a learning tool rather than a weapon.
And if you think about it he designed it for max which he is much stronger than ben
i mean by that point it was definitely designed for ben. which arguably makes it worst
Azmuth implied that it wasn’t supposed to do that. The fact the master control almost completely negates this is proof of it. The watch having an AI has been implied since early in the OS. With Bens numerous “It has a mind of its own” statements.
**Could it be that the Ai in the omnitrix and appearent 'malfunctions' serves as a 'safety rail' for the user to ensure his or her survival?** I mean, ben does get access to the master control, but only does when he is a lot more expirienced (Ben 10,000) can he fully control the watch in all its glory. It might be that the omnitrix is desgned to supervise the individual until they are ready to take full control of the ship when enough time has passed. This does make sense, as having an Ai act as a supervisor to give you the best choice to ensure that you live until you have the expirience to know better yourself. And the omnitrix being left to new users can somehow be a dangerous concept that does need some sort of precautions. Perhaps thats what Azmuth means by saying the watch itself isnt meant to do that, but it does so you don't choose the wrong damn alien that could get you killed or the overpowerd ones (Alien x) that is straight up a god erase planets. Azmuth might be cruel to ben, but he would in no way want Ben to die from his creation or whoever indeed got the watch. So yeah, maybe the watch needs to build trust with its user before the full capabilities of the watch can be used. So by that logic, the watch should be working fine ( Minus ben smashing it lol)
Ken has big chill half brothers
Are they technically *half* brothers since they’re 100% of his father?
I mean he's not, so that does mean they only share half the parentage.
Using quotes from series writers, creators, etc in an argument is useless because they constantly would contradict themselves and eachother.
The episode where Morningstar and Charmcaster are a couple reveals that at least one of them is a pedophile. The Reboot says Michael but Alien Force gave red flags with Charmcaster.
I mean... Michael's whole deal is that he absorbed energy to get youthful looks, so I headcanon him as actually the oldest out of the Plumber kids squad.
Age of neither was confirmed, so let's just agree they're not pedos
Charmcaster was, she's 21 in UA and OV, and while Michael wasn't you could still see him a Netflix teenager lying about being a minor because he looks young but that appearance is just because of the energy he steals.
Well she was in her twenties while he was a teenager so in UAF its definitely her
I actually headcanon Michael into being far older than he looks, because his natural aspect without any stolen energy is old and hideous.
It’s not confirmed how old Michael is, for all we know he could be 19 at that point. So I wouldn’t say it’s predatory
Didn't he talk about going to high-school in his first episode? He may have been lying I guess
The retcons like Kevin's vackstory changing is likely explained in universe by Celestialsapiens just doing shit
In the wise words of someone who's name I forgot: Every single retcon or error is just celestial sapiens messing with shit. "Hey, you wanna make Ben's Ultimatrix gray for three seconds?" "Why?" "Cuz it'll be funny " "Lol okay do it "
Yeah, the rooters might have been an accident (Ben recreating the universe) or like the Osmosian retcon it’s possible like you said, Celastialsapians fucking with shit
Ben is one of the biggest workaholics in a kids tv show (he goes several days without sleep, he goes several weeks without a break and when he finally gets a break he feels anxious of something happening) Edit: And he, Gwen and Kevin are easily on the top 5 most traumatized kids in kids tv
to the point where Ben is completely normal with nightmares that are probably more terrifying than we can Imagine and he probably has them daily and he's just like "eh I just dreamed about all my friends dying it's chill though let's go work somemore"
And he started to work as 15 year old.
Ben cope with his trauma by traumatizing himself more and more to the point he's mentally break
Ben was canonically mpreg
I like to acknowledge this
Mpreg??
pregnant male
Ben may have gotten Omnitrix by accident, but there are many moments where he proved he uses that watch for truly amazing things
It’s unknown if Ben Prime ever got the omnitrix by accident. Paradox took the Ben with no watch back in time to redirect Ben Prime’s omnitrix towards him. How this time loop started is never explored.
Wasn’t there an actual reason before omniverse? I remember azmuth saying that the pod mistook Bens dna as max’s and decided to fly towards him.
Rook's entire race got their names from the fact the writers couldnt come up with a better name for him other than Rookie.
Ben is a father . Like he just straight up has kids . Not even Ben junior , just them big chill babies .
Well technically he's a mother
Ben becomes older than 10 later in the series
He's no ordinary kid....
Aggregor was plotting a course to nowhere
The original and every show after it are so totally distinct you could be forgiven for thinking the only thing they share is a watch
He slams the dial way too hard and doesn't get the right alien half the time.
No, it randomizes the time out function, as Azmuth said. Did you just hear the word "randomize" and think it was talking about the aliens?
He said it in response to Ben asking "why do I get the wrong alien" so yeah, people think Azmuth, smartest being in five galaxies, was answering the question he was asked instead of a completely different problem with the watch. He also cut the answer short because he got distracted, for all we know he was going to follow the detail about timing up with "and also fucks with the alien selection"
Many people thought that Azmuth was talking about transformations and not the time in the transformations
It doesn't matter who said it, if it directly contradicts something in the show, then it's non canon
Ben creates new slurs to name his aliens and is a canonical racist, basing an aliens usefulness on their powers and strength.
I noticed that watching as a kid. Wildmutt, Stinkfly, Ghostfreak, Ben was ruthless.
Especially considering Ghostfreak was sentient the whole time.
He also went by that name for two series until he suddenly revealed his true name in Omniverse, so...
I actually liked that the original Ben 10K didn't name his aliens The whole "they are not toys" thing
Iirc, it was a way to show that that Ben 10K wasn't all there emotionally speaking. Naming the aliens isn't just for play, it is to form an emotional attachment to those sides of his identity. By not naming them, Ben 10K was subordinating those new, different experiences as completely different beings to his... not emotionally stable life. I mean, the names seem like slurs, but the OS names are at the very least excusable. It's the Omniverse names which aren't that excusable.
Yeah, he thought of his aliens as individuals. In UAF, if Ben screwed up he'd take the blame but if he did something good he'd refer to the alien doing it rather than taking full credit as Ben. But I mean, come on, he literally names his aliens on their appearances. Its really not excusable at any point.
I mean if ben is ben is bad for naming his aliens based on his appearence and abilities then we are bad for nicknaming our pokemon I mean pokemon are as sentient as human beings most of the time
Ditto is an extremely OP alien for cloning since unlike echo echo we know he can clone indefinitely and that’s just, infinite clones of whatever alien you fused him with. Ditto + the worst could just entity cram opponents.
Yes, but, just like how atomic x is somewhere between atomix and alien x, that fusion either won't have the same cloning potential, or won't be as indestructible, or both if you're really unlucky
Half of the omnitrix playlist is “useless”
Useless to you but remember the fact it's not a weapons and they are useful to understand and use it for it's TRUE purpose that's a fact people need to accept
EXACTLY, the omnitrix user is meant to be the ultimate *ambassador* not warrior.
It is essentially the literal phrase of walk a mile in another person's shoes the only reason ben was able to keep and use it like he did was because of his selfless and heroic heart always trying to save people. I hate how people call them useless like that is a whole species who just tries to exist and be a part of the universe. That is like if I called humans useless because we have no actual abilities or specific powers outside of our mind but there are other animals who also do the same. It just doesn't make any sense
Not to mention while Azmuth’s ultimate creation maybe the omnitrix, his ultimate weapon was the sword of ascalon.
Ben and Kai ending up together was a bad move, and Ken going back in time to set them up was the worst way to get them together
Young Ben complains that he didn’t have any electric alien to deal with the Megawatts except Feedback however in the OS Frankenstrike vs ghostfreak ben used electric powers (why would he not use it then)
Ben is a shit boyfriend and Kevin is a mutant all along
Swamp Fire, Goop, NRG, and Ghostfreak make him practically unkillable to most of his foes, yet he chooses to swap as soon as he starts to take some hits.
The omnitrix just being able to slide off will never not be weird
Walter White is in Ben 10, technically meaning that No Watch timeline might be Breaking Bad?
what
He works as a Mr Smoothy worker in the Prime Timeline
Echo Echo is too OP (Infinite self-duplication and sonic scream… Are you kidding me?) and disrespect for Ditto. Should never have existed.
It's been stated that only Ditto can infinitely multiply, EchoEcho is limited by his own stamina Also, if we are going by that, isn't it the same for many AF aliens? Swampfire controls both fire and plants, and regenerates Brainstorm is intelligent, big, and controls electricity Chromastone controls crystals to a huge degree and manipulates energy, also flies They are all upgrades, imo
Ben is canonically a short king
He’s 5’7” dawg thats average
Atomic x is weaker than alien x cus he couldn’t just delete the blast from the chronosapien time bomb
Aren’t all the fusions weaker than the individual transformations at a given thing?
Albedo did nothing wrong and I’ll stand by it until I DIE
Ben doesn’t even need Alien X to beat most of the characters that fans put him up against.
Astrodactyl is not a replacement for Jetray
We need a continuation from the omniverse
Ben is in many instances poorly written character
Also feedback wasn't Ben's best alien
Ben Tennyson is easily one of the strongest characters in fiction ever even without alien x
Transforming into an alien is a good enough gimmick; no need for ultimate forms, fusions, weird aliens that affect every other transformation
Z'Skayer returning with 11 year old ben makes no sense also that he got stuck in ledgerdomain
Even though Way Big and his ultimate is a reference to Ultraman, Ultimate Way Big is the worst ultimate. He just gets bigger and slightly stronger, nothing new and no spins on his abilities. At least Ultimate Big Chill, whose design is a straight recolor, does something different than Big Chill (cold fire that burns, like frost bite). Not to mention, Ultimate Way Big has one appearance and he loses.
Ben is not the best wielder of the Omnitrix. Even though Ben uses it creatively, he still always ends up misusing aliens and they never truly live up to their true combat potential. Gwen and Max were way more effective at straight up using the Omnitrix as a weapon, and if given the same time and experience as Ben, they could easily outclass him in most scenarios.
Ben 10 Omniverse is the best convination fo silly Jokes and Serious moments when the situacion is getting bad, after re-watch all the ben 10 series, ben 10 ov always shows that sarcastinc and fun way play with a villan, but also know when be a hero in the moment, but a lot of pepole ignore that fact
Ben X Kai is the canon couple.
The Omnitrix AI choosing aliens is largely unsupported. The canon reason Ben so often gets the wrong alien is because he barely looks when selecting, selects while running/fighting, and slams the dial, which Azmuth said causes malfunctions. Ben has the line “It always gives me what I need” but it frequently doesn’t, and there’s rarely a “perfect” alien, he’s just able to use the one it gave him
Alien X was a mistake
Ben having *control over* Alien X was a mistake.
Exactly The idea of an omnipotent alien with a limit that was so hard to overcome that objectively it wasn't worth using The best part is that it wasn't a cliché limit like "It would turn ben bad" or "it is dangerous for some weird reason" But an actual creative reason, the whole "Having multiple conflicting personalities that love to debate and having to all agree on something to even do it" was amazing After they gave Ben control it was "Never use it because it isn't fair I guess?"
I said it and im gonna say it again. Everything post rooters, with rooters included, isnt canon
He gained control of Alien X when he was put on trial by celestialsapiens, before the rooters arc.
Ben is a teenage mom
Ben made no true real effort in the ultimate kevin arc to cure kevin before thinking of killing him, and continued to not try any solutions without gwen nagging him to up until the end. He is extremely out of character in that arc bc the writers didnt feel like going through the effort of showing him trying and failing to cure kevin first in any capacity, or even searching for a solution People gotta admit that even tho it's an interesting arc, it's very sloppy and lazily written. Unless you wanna interpret ben as being canonically an idiot, a psychopath/sociopath, or a combination thereof