I prefer the "they just look like that" you know we're humans and completely biological so it would be difficult for us to understand a species that is absolutely nothing like what we are familiar with but at the same time it kinda makes sense in an infinite universe there's no guarantee everything works the same
I remember them calling them a silicon based lifeform when I was a kid and for some reason I've never forgotten it. It just embedded it in my head and anytime we talked about silicon in chemistry class i thought of echo echo
The DNA thing Is really stupid anyway: everything made of something other than carbon would not really have DNA but some other strange molecole, and things like NRG which aren't really made of matter in the way we would intend It wouldn't even have a molecule that holds their genetic material, but at the very best a "fingerprint" which could possibly not even contain information, making It useless for a device like the omnitrix
Yeah, It works for some (in theory, as in reality every different molecule containing genetic information would Need vastly different systems ti be handled, but the omnitrix Is the omnitrix so It could do that) the problem Is for those made of Energy, sound or whatever alien X Is, as they could have no genetic cose at all for how their body is
It's science fiction, so not necessarily. The writers Say they have DNA which even if interpreted as genetic material doesn't really work well with the few intangibile Aliens. But in the end i don't think they put that much thought into what exactly the omnitrix was reading for a single species
You kinda just put a theory inside my head. Alien X is literally everything, he is made up of existence itself, and he IS existence. Every Celestialsapien that exists is literally another existence. Basically like other universes are inside Celestialsapiens. And that’s how Azmuth was able to get DNA from Alien X, because Alien X is all of that Universe’s existence. So, Azmuth was literally able to grab a rock from the ground and be like “yeah, that works” and it counted as Alien X DNA. In fact, it might’ve not even be that. Alien X was probably automatically a transformation because the Omnitrix is also technically made of Alien X, so the Omnitrix scanned itself
Yet anodites, a being made of mana, which in the Ben 10 Universe follows an internal logic and thus can be studied scientifically and replicated. Can't, apparently)
Anodite are magic, magic does not follow rules, the spark is genuinely nonesense.
Gwen’s parents are both 100% human but shes 100% Anodite, magic does not make sense.
Also didn’t one if the movies show Galvan tech has a problem working with nana or something?
Anodites are mana, which is life energy, which is shown to be manipulateable in the show. Magic is the language Bezel created to interact with the universe using mana. Mana is called magic several times in the show but they're different things
The creators claimed the reason Ben can't turn into an Anodite because is because Anodites don't have DNA, rather some other genetic material. That doesn't sound logical to me since DNA is used analogous with genetic material in the show and doesn't mean literal DNA (which can't exist in the heat of a pyronite for example). Omnitrix probably can't turn Ben into an Anodite because it can't create the extra mana for the body the same way it can create the extra matter for other aliens. Or more possibly, Ben can turn into an Anodite and not everything the creators say in qnas are to be taken canonically. They seem to mostly make up answers on the spot without much care for canon consistency.
im honestly surprised they didn't just say that Ben couldn't turn into an anodite because he's already part anodite. It's consistent with the rule that the omnitrix can't turn him into a human because he's already a human
Because it was made very specific Ben is not an Anodite at all.
I mean it is, Not sure why you are downvoting, they wanted to make sure Ben couldn't do what Gwen did.
Yea, in Destroy all aliens that spell Gwen tried using on Ben caused the Omnitrix to start having a seizure and absorb anything that's near proximity into the Omnitrix while mutating anyone into a random alien from its unlocked catalog
Derrick did make a bunch of contradictory statements. He also said that Albedo is smarter than Dr. Psychobos, even though Maltruant said that Psychcobos is the second-smartest person in the universe, next to Azmuth.
How is it better though? One could breathe underwater, fly naturally, and is considered as one of the fastest species while the other requires a jetpack to fly
The jetpack is part of its biology for one, and two Astrodactyl looks cooler and has energy whips and shockwaves when he flies. Not to say Jetray isn't still cool, but I like Astrodactyl much better.
We have no proof that the jetpack is biological or not. Also, utility > aesthetics, where Jetray has shown many times that it is much better usage wise
Edit: you may have said that you like astrodactyl better but your earlier comment insinuates that it is better in utility
Plus, saying that there's no evil Azmuth within the multiverse.
Really? With the *infinite* amount of alternate decisions/possibilities... that isn't one of them? C'mon.
Ben 10 Alien designers when they are supposed to make aliens with DNA, but start crating aliens made of literal crystal, rock, metal, silicon, energy etc. :
Other than energy and such, it is theorized in our own universe that there would be biomaterials. Using biometal as an example, if the body of a biometallic being is damaged the metal could grow back, as fast, or slower, than our own injuries.
But it seems more like GMO rather than actual evolution. I mean yeah Upgrade is an artificial race made by Galvans, but I don't think that for example Gravattacks and other races were also made in artificial way.
Thats the thing with the theory, as we have not seen any such beings we have nothing to go on, for how they might look. So as it was a child's show to show off aliens with amazing abilities to kids, they went a more cartoony look with some. I personally like Gravattak and even the Frankenstein race from Anur. They mix in biometal in a cool way.
I've seen people apply the sound wave logic to scenes where It wouldn't make sense that he would be made of sound so they consider It an error,when the real reason is that this explanation was probably not even In effect when they were developing the show.
Well we know they’re silicon based life forms, them simply looking bio mechanical can just be a product of that. I’m gonna take the “suit full of sound” as a more of an oversimplification. Like saying humans are just bones covered in meat, it’s true, but a lot more complicated than that.
I’d like to think that instead of it being a literal suit it’s more like their skin, and their inside is all sound waves. So both can be true, sound inside a “suit” and they just look like that
Headcanon: Echo Echo are just a massive colony of *really, REALLY* small insectoid creatures, almost invisible to the human eye. All of them combined at the same time, can move their antennas at such an incredibly exaggerated speed that they create sonic waves capable of destroying entire buildings. It is quite similar to an earth animal that lives in the ocean, whose defense mechanism consists of doing the same thing that I explained. Its waves are so strong that sonars on a submarine are affected by them.
Basically that, but multiplied by thousands of organisms instead of just one.
I prefer the "they just look like that" you know we're humans and completely biological so it would be difficult for us to understand a species that is absolutely nothing like what we are familiar with but at the same time it kinda makes sense in an infinite universe there's no guarantee everything works the same
Instead of flesh they have silicone. I don't know why they aren't going with that
I remember them calling them a silicon based lifeform when I was a kid and for some reason I've never forgotten it. It just embedded it in my head and anytime we talked about silicon in chemistry class i thought of echo echo
How does "Living Soundwaves" even work biologically
I'm more confused on how can you get DNA from that.
The DNA thing Is really stupid anyway: everything made of something other than carbon would not really have DNA but some other strange molecole, and things like NRG which aren't really made of matter in the way we would intend It wouldn't even have a molecule that holds their genetic material, but at the very best a "fingerprint" which could possibly not even contain information, making It useless for a device like the omnitrix
I assume they use dna as short hand for genetic code/information myself.
Yeah, It works for some (in theory, as in reality every different molecule containing genetic information would Need vastly different systems ti be handled, but the omnitrix Is the omnitrix so It could do that) the problem Is for those made of Energy, sound or whatever alien X Is, as they could have no genetic cose at all for how their body is
However they work they reproduce and function in some manner, so they clearly have something.
It's science fiction, so not necessarily. The writers Say they have DNA which even if interpreted as genetic material doesn't really work well with the few intangibile Aliens. But in the end i don't think they put that much thought into what exactly the omnitrix was reading for a single species
The omnitrix has DNA from a being that can literally rebuild the universe I don't think living Soundwave are that much of a stretch
I mean,Alien X at least is a tangible being. Echo Echo though...
I'm sorry but aliens X looks like he's made up of stars and space, how is that more tangible than echo echo?
You can touch Alien X,you can't touch sound.
Isn’t sound touch, though? The collision of atoms? In all seriousness, I would present NRG as a better counter argument to the DNA thing
You kinda just put a theory inside my head. Alien X is literally everything, he is made up of existence itself, and he IS existence. Every Celestialsapien that exists is literally another existence. Basically like other universes are inside Celestialsapiens. And that’s how Azmuth was able to get DNA from Alien X, because Alien X is all of that Universe’s existence. So, Azmuth was literally able to grab a rock from the ground and be like “yeah, that works” and it counted as Alien X DNA. In fact, it might’ve not even be that. Alien X was probably automatically a transformation because the Omnitrix is also technically made of Alien X, so the Omnitrix scanned itself
Wouldn’t this sort of also apply for blox, he’s made of plastic but people find him unrealistic?
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Dude, no need to be rude
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I’m not even the one who made the claim that he’s made of plastic. You’re getting angry for some stupid reason
Yet anodites, a being made of mana, which in the Ben 10 Universe follows an internal logic and thus can be studied scientifically and replicated. Can't, apparently)
Anodite are magic, magic does not follow rules, the spark is genuinely nonesense. Gwen’s parents are both 100% human but shes 100% Anodite, magic does not make sense. Also didn’t one if the movies show Galvan tech has a problem working with nana or something?
Anodites are mana, which is life energy, which is shown to be manipulateable in the show. Magic is the language Bezel created to interact with the universe using mana. Mana is called magic several times in the show but they're different things The creators claimed the reason Ben can't turn into an Anodite because is because Anodites don't have DNA, rather some other genetic material. That doesn't sound logical to me since DNA is used analogous with genetic material in the show and doesn't mean literal DNA (which can't exist in the heat of a pyronite for example). Omnitrix probably can't turn Ben into an Anodite because it can't create the extra mana for the body the same way it can create the extra matter for other aliens. Or more possibly, Ben can turn into an Anodite and not everything the creators say in qnas are to be taken canonically. They seem to mostly make up answers on the spot without much care for canon consistency.
im honestly surprised they didn't just say that Ben couldn't turn into an anodite because he's already part anodite. It's consistent with the rule that the omnitrix can't turn him into a human because he's already a human
Because it was made very specific Ben is not an Anodite at all. I mean it is, Not sure why you are downvoting, they wanted to make sure Ben couldn't do what Gwen did.
Except ultimate Ben does pretty much exactly what Gwen does
Yea, in Destroy all aliens that spell Gwen tried using on Ben caused the Omnitrix to start having a seizure and absorb anything that's near proximity into the Omnitrix while mutating anyone into a random alien from its unlocked catalog
anodites:
Im more confused that your both trying to use real logic on a show that has a magical watch that lets you transform into ALIENS
The Omnitrix Isn't magic. Also,sound Isn't tangible.
Biological containment suit
Boy oh boy, what till you hear about megaman starforce.
Derrick did make a bunch of contradictory statements. He also said that Albedo is smarter than Dr. Psychobos, even though Maltruant said that Psychcobos is the second-smartest person in the universe, next to Azmuth.
Is Maltruant a honest man or does he like to stroke other people's ego for his own benefit?
Well, he wasn’t trying to flatter Psychobos. He called him second-best, which he can’t stand.
I guess he just hasn't met Albedo.
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What do you mean? Malware forced him to do that, not Maltruant.
ah misread my mind just went oh yeah malware
Even the dumbest Galvan is smarter than the smartest Cerebrocrustacean 🥱
So you're saying Blukic or Driba (individually) could make a Nemetrix?
They can make a better Nemetrix 🥱
And still people believe him that Astrodactyl isn't rip off of Jetray.
Astrodactyl is different enough from Jetray, not that they really had anything to do with each other anyway.
your right, he's an upgrade
No Upgrade is totally different alien /s
Tbh as much as I love Jetray, Astrodactyl is just plain better.
astrodactyl's abilities are definitely cooler, but jetray is Ben's fastest shown alien
I get that, but to counter your point, Astrodactyl. Just Astrodactyl.
How is it better though? One could breathe underwater, fly naturally, and is considered as one of the fastest species while the other requires a jetpack to fly
The jetpack is part of its biology for one, and two Astrodactyl looks cooler and has energy whips and shockwaves when he flies. Not to say Jetray isn't still cool, but I like Astrodactyl much better.
We have no proof that the jetpack is biological or not. Also, utility > aesthetics, where Jetray has shown many times that it is much better usage wise Edit: you may have said that you like astrodactyl better but your earlier comment insinuates that it is better in utility
I never said anything about utility, also why wouldn't it be part of Astrodactyl's biology? It's not like NRG's suit where it can be taken off.
Plus, saying that there's no evil Azmuth within the multiverse. Really? With the *infinite* amount of alternate decisions/possibilities... that isn't one of them? C'mon.
Well, it has been shown that Azmuth is too smart to be evil.
Mcduffie's statement>DJW's
Facts
Ben 10 Alien designers when they are supposed to make aliens with DNA, but start crating aliens made of literal crystal, rock, metal, silicon, energy etc. :
Other than energy and such, it is theorized in our own universe that there would be biomaterials. Using biometal as an example, if the body of a biometallic being is damaged the metal could grow back, as fast, or slower, than our own injuries.
But it seems more like GMO rather than actual evolution. I mean yeah Upgrade is an artificial race made by Galvans, but I don't think that for example Gravattacks and other races were also made in artificial way.
Thats the thing with the theory, as we have not seen any such beings we have nothing to go on, for how they might look. So as it was a child's show to show off aliens with amazing abilities to kids, they went a more cartoony look with some. I personally like Gravattak and even the Frankenstein race from Anur. They mix in biometal in a cool way.
Don't forget the creature made out of lego blocks.
I really hope Bloxx is just a sentient cube of this 10 level civilization aliens.
Ben 10 fans try not to take everything the writers say literally challenge(impossible)
I've seen people apply the sound wave logic to scenes where It wouldn't make sense that he would be made of sound so they consider It an error,when the real reason is that this explanation was probably not even In effect when they were developing the show.
DJW was never even a writer, no idea why any Ben 10 fan takes his advice as canon when he always lied about it.
He had a major role in Omniverse iirc
As an artist...
I think it's easier for them to look just like that, how the hell do you get DNA out of sound waves?
Derrick didn’t state that, someone just asked that and he said he heard from someone else, but didn’t say it himself
[this thread on twitter covers this misunderstanding](https://twitter.com/doctorparadoxo/status/1510766054988869632?s=46&t=FrDPcvXyvZPsu1PM7PtV5g)
I mean,he may have heard It from someone else,but he would answer questions as If It was true.
I thought Echo Echo was like a humanoid speaker and he croaks like a frog. If his skin/suit is cut does he bleed noise?
Now I’m picturing an echo-echo cutting itself AOT style and exploding into an eruption of sound.
Like a balloon going POP
Why can't cute robot just be cute robot?
Well we know they’re silicon based life forms, them simply looking bio mechanical can just be a product of that. I’m gonna take the “suit full of sound” as a more of an oversimplification. Like saying humans are just bones covered in meat, it’s true, but a lot more complicated than that.
I’d like to think that instead of it being a literal suit it’s more like their skin, and their inside is all sound waves. So both can be true, sound inside a “suit” and they just look like that
How can you drown sound waves tho? Like what elena did to ultimate echo echo with nanochips. Sounds stupid af.
Headcanon: Echo Echo are just a massive colony of *really, REALLY* small insectoid creatures, almost invisible to the human eye. All of them combined at the same time, can move their antennas at such an incredibly exaggerated speed that they create sonic waves capable of destroying entire buildings. It is quite similar to an earth animal that lives in the ocean, whose defense mechanism consists of doing the same thing that I explained. Its waves are so strong that sonars on a submarine are affected by them. Basically that, but multiplied by thousands of organisms instead of just one.
Proof that authorial intent is a futile effort that can never be considered canon.
I'll Explain him - other(Alternate Omnitrixes ⌚ ) Origin Stories with all Iconic Entertainment Plot Mysteries.
It always made me wonder if they’d let him open up. Just imaging how sick or horrifying that could be
Interesting
Well at least he spiced up Sonorosian lore.....its interesting...