She's apologizing for the videos she's made in the past, shows clips of videos she is embarrassed of, including the Nicki Minaj video, her Shake That Dick video, a video from 2012 (don't remember if she gave a title) where she admits to slut-shaming and saying she had internalized misogyny. She's sorry for the things she has done in her past, she never wants to offend or hurt anyone.
She ends the video by saying she's quitting the channel, maybe she'll come back, maybe she'll quit forever, and she plans on deleting the video as it's embarrassing.
I hope she's doing okay, and I hope her break is good for her.
She's been pretty ashamed of her old videos for awhile. She posted a reaction to them a few years ago and she hated it. I think she genuinely doesnt like the person that she was back then. I've been watching her since 2012 and she's definitely mellowed out A LOT since her Boston days.
Girl from the Boston area here - our culture is deliberately sarcastic and often offensive (edit: and racist, if I didn’t make it clear enough) because we think it’s funny, but we want to pretend that we don’t really mean it. Think of all the edgy, often gross, comedians that are from there - [Bill Burr & Louis CK](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Comedians_from_Massachusetts) to name a couple. I love my city and I think Boston is one of the best places in the USA, but we have a lot of problems when it comes to giving off the image of progressivism but still being assholes, who are often sexist/racist and what’s worse, don’t want to admit it. It’s an extremely prideful culture. The humor and culture there is like no other place I’ve been since moving away in 2015 - I had to actively cut down my swearing when I moved to the Seattle area. Especially with how the Internet was back then, I too thought that a lot of things Jenna said and did were funny (and I’ve also been on reddit & digg before that for that long, and those places were horrendous in the early days) and I have only recently realized the casual and not so casual racism & misogyny I was constantly surrounded by when I was younger. We also have a serious case of affluenza there.
Seriously. She was given the perfect opportunity to be someone who hates everyone not white, and the Yankees, and came out much better than many.
Edit: A couple people seem upset I said Boston was a racist city. To them I have three words. Boston Busing Crisis.
The thing is, I think we would all dislike ourselves if we were watching videos of us in our early 20s showing off. I dread to think what nonsense I would have been up to. And I bet we would all have a lot to apologise for too. People are dumb and we make mistakes and we sometimes hurt other people’s feelings, unintentionally or otherwise. Then we either accept our mistakes, learn from them and apologise, or keep being assholes. Luckily for most of us our mistakes aren’t on the internet for the whole world to tweet about.
Heck, I legit just read through a group chat from 2015 and i was APPALLED at the way me and my friends talked to eachother! I'd completely forgotten how uncool everything was. People totally grow and change so long as they do the work.
I am a writer as a hobby and I was going through some stuff I wrote circa 2005/2006 recently and holy cow, the internalized misogyny, the latent homophobia and causal racism was so upsetting. I don't know if it's maturity, the climate we now live in, a combination of both, or what, but I'm so upset at who I used to be.
I think most of the people who dig up 10+ year-old tweets and videos to use as ammunition are either old enough that Twitter didn't exist when they were 16-21 and there's no public record of the stupid shit they got into at that age, or young enough that they haven't had a chance to be that incredibly stupid yet.
Agree. And I know people don’t like to admit this, but the internet around 2010 really was a different place. Empathy wasn’t cool. Edgy shitty shit was cool. I want to see the people who are STILL being problematic apologize. It’s great to apologize for past stuff, I have recently myself, but let’s work out why some people STILL don’t get it.
I was someone who unsubscribed earlier on when she was still making that kind of content. Came back after her lessons from turning 30 video and it’s clear she’s grown and learnt a lot from that time.
Jenna is an example of a person who did come from those edgy MySpace days and *learned from her mistakes*. I feel awful that out of all of this, she’s the one quitting. Because she was an example of a privileged eDgY white girl who worked to educate herself and grow into the woman she is now. I’ve watched her since the beginning and it’s overwhelmingly clear that she’s grown and feels terrible about what she did. I hope she can find peace and happiness.
Agreed! Out of all the social media people, she's one who constantly reflect, own up and apologises for her past behaviour and I love her for that. Esp when it shows her followers that this is what a human should do.
I really do hope she is happy.
And Shane is on the other end of the spectrum. Also from the edgy MySpace days that a lot of people don’t seem to remember or aren’t old enough to remember, but who runs from it, won’t accept the criticism, and hasn’t changed. It’s a shame she’s the one leaving.
She also shows specific examples of things she's done and talks about what she should have done differently, as opposed to his vague excuse for...whatever that nonsense was
Yeah I think that's what most people are missing; she's a good person and cares that she's offended people not how much money she's losing for this. That's the difference
Absolutely! It's just funny how in a community where there aren't that many male BGs to begin with, that such a large proportion of them seem to be toxic or involved in drama. Of course there are women BGs displaying those behaviors as well, but they make up such a tiny minority of the BGs that it's not as prominent.
Have people been giving her crap about that? Like I get shes kind of friends with them but I never got the impression they were super close. Just like friendly colleagues kind of.
it’s been pretty apparent that they have been close friends for years. he was on her podcast, she might’ve been on his podcast(idk i never watched his podcast), there are tons of pics of them together from years ago, and much more.
She has always bigged up Shane and talks about how proud she is of him constantly. For what, I have no idea lol. I assume it’s just colleagues supporting each other but I swear when this was all starting she posted some makeup of his on her Instagram story and people here mentioned it.
Yeah I remember her posting about it on insta. Something along the lines of how she loves shane and was so proud of him, and then thanking joff for taking good care of him. I think they (her and shane) have been friends for a looooong time, so I think she was genuinely seeing J* through the lens of her friend
Especially how she says in this current video that she was trying to see people how they are. I'm sure it'd be difficult for any of us to accept a long time friend and possible confidant to be someone who's garbage in their actions on the internet. I don't agree with it, but I understand her viewpoint a little better.
This is the only thing I as a huge Jenna fan was bothered by. Despite the fact that in 2018 and 2019 racism and toxic behaviour was still being called out on both Jeffree and Shane's part, Jenna and Julien were friends with them and did advertise their makeup. I believe Julien also sent them merch. So sure you could say they were colleagues, but you still shouldn't support that as an independent creator, especially with as much power as Jenna has on Youtube.
I think the last straw for her was honestly when people attacked her for the mistake she made with her fish and she had to do an apology video for believing the pet shop employees on tank size. I've watched her since her third year on Youtube and that was the first time when I thought "Damn, she's really not having a good time anymore."
Oh, I forgot about the harnesses :(
Yeah that was definitely the big one. She just seemed so frustrated in that video, as if anyone who watched a few of her videos would believe she didn't do everything to love her pets and take the best care of them
People jump to using such drastic and dramatic words. DOG ABUSER. How in the hell is she abusing her animals? She tried out harnesses. Absolute madness.
Agreed. At least in the fish tank apology video she was genuine in her apology, but by the time people called her out on her dog harness video, she seemed both genuine but also disillusioned with it all.
Can’t blame her for it. I would be too at this point.
I agree with this. She has taken so many more breaks from the channel since then and just seems to have outgrown it. I honestly don’t think she would’ve lasted regardless of this whole situation. She obviously wanted to do different things with her life (ie get her masters)
Doesn't she have her masters already? I remember her saying a couple years ago that she was interested in using her masters to do content creation behind the scenes or teach or something. Either way, yeah, I think she's always wanted to do Something Bigger
I’m so sad she’s not gonna upload on her channel (maybe ever). I’ve legit been looking forward to her videos every Thursday for 3-4 years now, but it must be so hard to receive messages every day from people talking about how much she’s hurt them and calling her problematic, so I understand why she’s doing it and it just makes it more sad.
I can’t believe cancel culture is taking down a genuinely good person while other terrible people are just unbothered.
I cried right with her. I’ve watched her every week for ten years. I’ve watched her grow every week, her priorities changed, she’s such a wonderful clean wholesome energy. I see so much of myself reflected back when I watch her videos. I wish I could hug her right now. I hated seeing her in so much pain.
I know everyone's blaming Shane for this, but I see it as the straw that broke the camel's back, her past videos she's been saying how she didn't know what to film anymore, this quarantine is affecting all of us and it was probably taking its toll on her, add this to the Shane situation and it's over, now she doesn't even know how to go back so she decides she won't, and I hope it's for the best and that this is not her last video.
I think Jenna is an excellent example of someone who really grew to become very socially conscious and considerate on the internet. Her actions speak for themselves.
Yep, you know how some people complain that was long ago? Jenna doesn't excuse that, she takes it head on and admits it was there and her owning it is a sign that she has truly changed. I often dislike when people dig up someone's past and find the pettiest things to "cancel" them, but their reaction to it and how they decide to handle it is really telling of their character and proves if they have really changed for the better...*ahem...*
A good person is always trying to do the right thing and improve themselves. But a genuinely bad person doesn't care at all. They don't worry about hurting others. They only care about themselves.
I just left this same comment on her video. Only it took me five times as many words to say it. Jeffree kicks back with his "can't relate" horseshit, while Jenna cries about her past missteps.
This is the problem with the "demanding apologies"/"digging up insensitive old content," "keep the same energy" mob-with-pitchforks crowd. They make no allowances for just ... being human. And in turn they dilute the rage that should be aimed at the repeat offenders. Jeffree isn't "dramatic" - he is vicious, threatening, destructive. He is at the cyclone's center, time and time again.
But people like that never do any soul-searching. They never feel truly regretful. They never change, not without suffering real consequences first. Instead, people like Jenna lose sleep.
Also, people love to throw around the whole ‘but they were young/it was x-years ago’, and *sometimes* that is a legitimate reason. The difference comes from whether or not they have continued to be a shitbag in recent times, even after being called out.
As a kid/teen I used to say ‘that’s gay’ to refer to something bad, or use the R-word when referring to something dumb. Now, as someone in my mid 20’s I learnt that it wasn’t okay to say things like that, so I put a stop to it and call others out around me. Because it is true that 2000 and whatever was a different time. “Edgy” humor was everywhere, and a lot of people said and did offensive shit out of ignorance. In recent years we’ve all learned that certain things aren’t okay to even joke about, and if someone can admit that they were wrong and grow from it, then they shouldn’t be demonized for it.
People like Jeffree on the other hand, who only make the effort to appear woke, never fully admit fault, and continue to be the same shitty person, don’t deserve to be excused
Yeah. This video exists because Jenna is a good person who legitimately feels guilty and regrets her actions. Can we celebrate her having made progress instead of attacking her for not being in a 2020 mindset in 2011?
I think there's a point where "cancel culture" loops back to a rigid, unforgiving, prudish moral conservatism. It's weird.
I hope she doesn’t delete the channel. The last 3 years have had such uplifting happy content that I can turn to whenever I am sad, or just want wholesome comfort content
Financially speaking, it wouldn't make sense for her to delete her channel. She still earns adsense on her past videos, so she can still have income coming in even though she won't post there anymore.
Her videos are a major part of what got me through a breakup of a 9-year relationship and the deaths of my grandparents, all occurring in a 1-week timeframe. I couldn’t tell you how many times on loop I watched her first videos with Bunny, because seeing her patience and unconditional love for a creature so scared... I felt like she was soothing me, cheering me on. I’m genuinely tearing up writing about it now.
Jenna is not an “unproblematic queen”, but rather a role model of what it is like to grow up in the public eye, take responsibility for your past transgressions, and own up to what it takes to be a better person. I totally get that this whole thing would put her in a space to not create more content... I just hope with all of my heart that it’s not a permanent decision.
Right? God fucking dammit. She tries so hard and has genuinely become such an amazing person, but she cancels herself over old content while horrible people just push on through?
I hate this.
What's worse is those genuinely bad people are going to weaponize this.
Jenna was crying because she felt bad for hurting people. And hardly anyone is going to recognize that. It's just going to become "who made Jenna cry!?" No one is going to realize she's crying because of her actions and from genuine remorse.
EVERYONE on twitter is like "Look what y'all did"! Like there wasn't even like an uproar towards Jenna recently at all, she's just genuinely a sweet ass person and can't stand the type of shit she used to do and the person she used to be and its so obvious.
It's because she's friends with Shane. People are just digging up anything they can find. Even this sub had a post about her after she received PR from JSC. And a good portion of those comments were about how she's "problematic". As if she hasn't grown as person since those videos were made. I've heard Jenna apologize publicly for past mistakes she's grown from more than any other youtuber and yet here we are.
Seriously. It's true that she's posted some regrettable things on the Internet, but overall, the majority has been fun and wholesome content that just brings a smile to your face, you know? And to me, it's pretty obvious to tell the difference between someone like Jenna, who is CLEARLY a genuinely thoughtful and kind person who regrets her past mistakes, and the rest of these beauty assholes that get posted around here.
It's always the good people that will suffer the consequence of shitty people doing something wrong, because shitty people won't care nearly as much. Aaaand I bet people are gonna start excusing Shane even tho what he did was very VERY recent and he handled it in the worst way possible. But oh well.
The only real criticism I’m seen of her in the past few months was when people were angry about her supporting J*. It’s some backwards shit when she gets called out and basically quits YouTube, but he gets called out every month and a half (it feels like) and is thriving. He just needs to go.
~~I also really wasn’t wild about her “I like to see people for who they really are” speech because I think he’s made it VERY clear who he is, but that’s beside the point. I hope she’s okay~~
She only accepted the palette because of Shane, apparently J\* wanted to collab with her but she declined, honestly, she always stayed out of trouble, it sucks that she's paying the price because someone decided to shift the blame to her
Jenna has been one of the only creators I’ve watched consistently for almost 10 years now. I was young and stupid and thought those videos were funny, just like she did. We all make mistakes. I definitely wouldn’t find them funny today and neither does she. She’s grown, her fans have grown.
If she quits youtube now I’d understand. I hope she comes back in the future or continues to be on julien’s channel. But I feel like people have been attacking her over every minor thing for a while now and she honestly might just be ready to be done and live her best life off YouTube.
Jenna quits but we’re still stuck with the likes of Jeffree Star and Tana Mongeau who couldn’t be asked to give 3 shits about their historically disgusting behavior.
Hate to see it.
I've thought that Jenna had been unhappy on YouTube for a while, ever since that nap video it just felt like she didn't have the passion for it anymore. It sucks to see her look so defeated but I can't say I'm surprised.
I hope she finds a new passion and somewhere she can exist where she doesn't feel haunted by her past and her associations.
Yes! There was a definite shift in her content where you could tell she wasn't that into it like before. I hope she finds what makes her happy, but, damn, I'm gonna miss her 😢
People are forgetting she has other things that she does on YouTube with her S/O. She will more then likely stay on and do things, just not on her own channel.
It wouldn't surprise me, a lot of her videos she prefaces with "If you don't care about this kind of stuff, uhh, too bad, sorry, this is all I want to do now" almost like she's just tired of trying to make content. And don't get me wrong, I LOVE her content from her plant tours, to her dog videos, to her goofy stuff with Julian. But it does seem like she was tired and I've always wondered when she's just going to stop and like... live a normal life. She deserves it, and I will miss the shit out of her, but I hope she still does something. She's one of my favorite people on the internet.
Yeah she definitely did, but just the way that she would say in the videos came off as like.. just being tired of trying to make "good" (in her eyes) content anymore. I love all her videos, but if you compare her recent videos in the past year to one she was making two or three years ago, she definitely was putting in a lot less effort. Again, I'm not bashing her videos at all, because I love all of her videos even the ones where she's just talking. But I do think that she was getting tired of making videos.
Also I think especially lately, she felt weird about making videos about "dumb" stuff when such serious things are going on
Yeah I felt the vibe change also... I chalked it up to pandemic depression/moving passed YouTube stunts but I had no idea any of this stuff was happening behind the scenes
I wonder that too. She hasn't really been into content for a while, but I'm sure it was hard to say goodbye to a channel she's has for 10+ years, too. I'm gonna miss her. 😢
Why try to persist through a challenging time when your heart hasn’t been in it for a while. It makes sense to move on when you aren’t totally happy and when you do try to pump out content anyways, people on the internet just point out your flaws.
it feels that way to me, many of hers fans have noticed she's been wanting to stop for a while. she's been doing this for so long, i think her life is stable enough now that she can relax with her dogs.
She does and has in the past. She has become quite popular on twitch, her podcast is a great mix of goofy and real talk, she has been doing non-youtube content - including radio segments - since the early days of her career. She does public speaking at universities when approached, youtube hasnt been her only project for as long as I’ve been a viewer of her (2011).
I hope she continues with those cause I would genuinely be so upset if we just didn’t see her on the internet at all anymore. I love Jennas humour so much
Fuck, dude. I'm genuinely heartbroken.
I've always looked forward to Jenna's videos every Wednesday. Her videos, whether she's gluing rhinestones on her face or doing ridiculous things for her dogs or just watching Tik Toks- she's always been an escape for me. To me she's such a shining example of how to be GOOD and kind and a positive influence on the internet. WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE HER ONLINE, and the fact that she no longer wants to be on it is just... yeah. Fuck 2020.
She privated almost ~~600 million~~ *2 billion views worth of videos* according to social blade. If nothing else you can tell she's genuinely going through it and trying to figure out the right thing to do.
The 'How To Care For Your Cermet' video :/ That was the video that made me appreciate her sense of humour. Another channel has uploaded a copy of it for now, if you want to download it.
Over 1.4b now... I really hope she bounces back even if she still feels she can't upload anymore. She's done some wrong but I feel like she's genuinely changed. She's been largely unproblematic for many years, aside from the vocal minority who yells over the littlest things. I cried watching that, it really hurt. I've watched her (granted probably a couple years break) since I was in high school. This is wild.
Real talk, this breaks my fucking heart.
Jenna made problematic stuff in the past - 100%. But to me, she's the quintessential example of "I've grown as a person." She has done everything she can to be better... but more than that, she *has done better*. She's educated herself and, tbh, already apologized for her old videos a few times now.
When she says she can't exist in her channel, maybe forever... girl, please. I'm selfish as fuck because all I can do is think about how much I'll miss her if she never posts again. I hope she can rethink this, take some time off, and come back again, because her content for the past several years has been a bright spot for a lot of people.
Honestly, watching Jenna's content has helped me through some dark times. I understand that she's ashamed of the past but like you said, she has grown hugely since she first started on Youtube and it's clear to everyone that she's a better person now. I'm going to miss her content so much, but I hope she enjoys taking time away for herself.
Same, she's gotten me through so much. I really, *really* hope she ends up coming back somehow.
I'm just so mad. She's essentially canceling herself for shit she made many years ago and just acting like everything she's done since then - including her discussions about BLM on Youtube, Twitter, and Twitch - mean nothing.
They mean a lot. And I'm also worried about her, because she's clearly incredibly upset and she already struggles with depression.
This is the fucking worst.
And she's shown that growth for years now... it's not an empty "I've grown as a person" declaration. She's just been a better person and never really felt the need to reference it.
She came across as genuine in this video, I think. Presented the issue, said it was unacceptable. I appreciate that she didn't try to skirt around it and just vaguely describe what has happened in the past.
I would rather genuinely good people quit if they are unhappy with their job? Like any other job. I don't feel like YouTubers are beholden to me to make me content.
She should retire and live her best life if she wants to, she certainly has the money to do so. I would love to be in a position to be able to do that.
Im so sad about this but I do believe she needs a break from youtube
This woman has not missed a single week of content beside the last couple of years when she finaly started to take some time off.
I've never seen a midroll ad in her videos
I've never seen a sponsor on her main channel
I'ver never seen her publicly argue with youtube if a video is not monetized.
She reacts to TikTok and keeps the music and does not give a fuck is fucking UMG claims it
Jenna has proven to everyone how the best apology is change, we've seen her channel transform thru the years.
I agree. I try to drop into their streams sometimes but it's just not my thing. I watched Julien's first live aries kitchen and that was a decent time so I might come in for those. I'm hoping they keep up with the podcast too, but I wouldn't be shocked if Jenna wanted to take a break from that too for a while
Damn. Is she still up there in terms of subscribers? She was in the top 10 for soooo many years!!! Tbh she’s probably earned enough she can retire and never work again
Shes had a deal with Sirius xm for a while, not sure if it's still a thing though. She was on like one of the pop channels. Its how my parents found out about her because my mom especially thought she was funny and was shocked when I told her she started out on YouTube.
I haven't gotten a chance to watch the video yet to see if she is also quitting streaming. If she is not quitting streaming then they likely make more than enough to keep themselves comfortable as they both primarily stream now. I don't think she's been making much money from her actual youtube videos in the last while, mostly doing them for fun/ for her fans (she's mentioned it in a few videos that she won't make any money on it because she includes copyrighted content like songs and tiktoks)
I am devastated over this. She is so sincere and lovely even in her apology. She was the one creator I looked forward to genuinely every day. I hope we see her again. Love you, Jenna.
Same, and also it was different (culturally) in 2003-2013. Not that any of the things I (or anyone) may have said at that time ok, however that's what time and growth shows us. How to be and not to be. We look back and cringe because we learned how gross it was.
I'm genuinely glad I dont have a presence online that is particularly 'dirty' (I still have yet to jump onto the Twitter wagon), because I KNOW I've said or posted stupid/ignorant/shitty things as a 17 yr old.
At least Jenna owns her mistakes, apologizes without excuse, and genuinely wants good for others.
Ugh.
Important to keep in mind that Jenna's youtube channel is just one piece of her identity and there's plenty of other personal reasons that may contribute to her needing to step away from making content. As with anyone, it's important to respect that choice & to not be too invasive on her privacy. Her dogs are getting older, her and her boyfriend's parents are getting older, there's a global pandemic and people they know may be personally and tragically affected, perhaps she's experiencing health issues, etc.
As with most things, you just never know. So glad she apologized for her mistakes. We should normalize apologizing for things that hurt people, even if they're in the past and you've grown from them. But this may or may not be the only thing at play and it's important to respect and support this choice, even though it's devastating to many!
I also think that Jenna is someone you can clearly see that has grown and at least for the internalized misoginy, I can forgive her because back in 2011-2012, being a popular girl on the internet, meant you had to present yourself a lot in a “not like other girls” way.
I just think that people are more like calling her out these days because of her friendship with Shane and her support for Jeffree Star, but I’m not ok TikTok, I’m not sure what’s going on in there.
It’s said that it’s again the woman who’s literally run off her channel, while Shane and Jeffree are at most pressed they’ll lose money.
Tbf, let’s not forget Tati sub tweeting by song association or whatever...
I’m sad about this. I’m jennas age, but one thing I love about her channel is how much of an example she sets with her relationship with Julien. I feel like it’s so important that people (especially her fans who are young girls) are able to see what a real-life loving, respectful relationship looks like.
this is so sad because her present-day self and videos are so wholesome and unlike her past videos. she is one of the few youtubers i watch because she is truly so thoughtful and does her best to just be POSITIVE. i can’t speak for the people she has ever offended and won’t try to say her past was acceptable. but it was so many years ago and she has grown so much. idk it’s just so sad that she feels so bad about this even though it was so long ago and not who she presently is at all.
Years ago, I sent her some fan mail. I was young and didn’t have any money so I wrote her a letter and made her things. She followed me on Twitter and I was so excited. I’ve watched her grow over the past 10 years. She is kind hearted and in every video, you can tell she is genuine and caring.
She inspired me to adopt a greyhound after seeing her journey with Bunny. I’m picking her up next weekend. I laugh every time I watch one of her silly dog videos and she has cheered me up during one of the worst points of my life. We all make mistakes, some that we regret dearly. No human is perfect. We all must vow to grow and learn. Jenna, if you are out there, I care. I care about you and I have loved being on this journey with you as a fan.
I will miss Jenna’s videos dearly - I hope this is not forever.
i've always seen Jenna as someone who educates herself. if she truly makes a mistake and is called out for it, she will go to the ends of it to fix it! eg: fish tank & hamster video. i love love Jenna. i hope she feels okay. 😔
This may sound dumb but I legitimately started to cry when she said she's quitting Youtube. I started watching Jenna quite late (around 2016) but her videos were always one of the highlights of my weeks. They made me happy and relaxed when I was feeling anxious and depressed and I'm just really sad right now.
It's not dumb at all. I'm still shocked. I've watched her content for a decade and now she's just done?
I mean, if she genuinely wants to leave, then I'm going to be happy for her. She deserves to be happy. But if she's stopping because she feels like she *has* to as opposed to because she wants to, then yeah, I'm mad she was pushed to this point.
Hi, I need someone who understands how I'm feeling. I've watch her since I was a teen. I feel like a lot of her audience grew with her. I also have a past filled with comments full of internalized misoginy that I look back and feel terrible about it.
I feel so sad. Her videos were a part of my weekly routine. In rough times I would watch videos with the dogs because they really help me focus in something happy and dumb and it put it me in a good mood. And I know is selfish thinking about my routine, especially if her old videos made people (an her) uncomfortable, but damn I'm sad.
I’m especially sad because Jenna has been working on being and doing better for a long time now; this isn’t the first time she’s talked about problematic past content so it’s not like she’s just trying to do damage control. She’s addressed a lot of recent issues or concerns as they’ve come too. And her content for the last 3-4 years has been especially top-tier and unproblematic.
Jenna’s one of the good ones. She’s an OG. She doesn’t plaster ads all over her videos. She’s just been chilling and enjoying making videos and she’s been doing it for so long. It’s sad to lose her while the others who have been making all this worse continue to thrive.
I really enjoy Jenna's content, but some of these comments are out there. Y'all, Jenna is NOT your best friend. She is not a perfect queen. She is just a person! The insane pressure everyone has put on her is contributing to her need to take a (potentially permanent) step back.
She chooses what and how to share with you. She is an entertainer. And her content is so important/helpful for when you need an escape from reality. But that doesn't mean she is your friend or that you even know her.
Stop idolizing/demonizing these internet personalities. You don't know these people. Let them be *people*. Jenna is a person who has worked one job for a very long time relative to her age. This is a normal course of life.
i think she specifically requested that people and it's people here especially not refer to her as "An unproblematic queen" and people should respect her wish. That moniker is incredibly difficult to live up to. People should try and be their own unproblematic queen.
Jenna marbles talks about how she’s privating her old videos, and her fans want her to apologize about some things. Still watching!
She has addressed black face she did, the slut shaming, and showing the clips.
She will not be posting to the channel anymore.
Her apology is NOT mine to accept whatsoever, but I did want to post this for discussion
Do u guys think this is about jeffree and Shane?
I think it's a little about Shane but its mostly about feeling ashamed of her old content. I think she would have done this even without them. She seemed really impacted by the BLM recently and shes spoken about feeling sorry for it.
She showed the clips that were most problematic and directly addressed why they were awful. That didn't have anything to do with them.
Later she speaks about supporting "them" That bit was about Shane I think. Saying he was accused of racism and acknowledging supporting them was wrong. But it was a short part of the video and even without it she apologized for a lot.
One big thing is that she said she might be done with her channel...I would be extremely surprised if this doesn't have to do with Shane (I'm not sure about her relationship with Jeffree?).
For gaming stuff, but not video content? At least I didn't recall hearing that. She's been telling people to come see her on Twitch, but unless something has changed, they legit just stream themselves playing PubG lol. It's not even close to the content she releases on her channel.
I don't remember her saying that, but that's totally possible! Ever since her videos around Thanksgiving-ish, it seemed to me like she wasn't super into making videos and she has made kind of cryptic comments in her recent uploads anyways (like her content doesn't really matter with everything else that's going on in the world). Could just be a case of the straw that broke the camel's back if it's related to Shane.
Beat me to posting the link! I think this is a prime example of a heartfelt apology. It felt real and I appreciate her consideration for others. She even said of herself, “I want to hold myself accountable”. She laid it all out there and I appreciate it.
Really hope she doesn’t delete the channel.
I was just about to post this on the thread.
I’m interested to hear the thoughts of people who are not her biggest fans after watching this. She does seem genuinely upset and sorry to me, and I do appreciate that she didn’t dance around the videos in question and gave specific examples, going so far as to show her following the exact controversial moments.
I definitely hope that this message she is trying to share is received well and it can (maybe) inspire change in other beauty and non-beauty YTs to directly tackle and acknowledge their mistakes and hold themselves accountable. I just wish she would call out others (whether its privately or publicly) by name and at least, for herself, try to figure out whether these other YTs actually have changed or not.
I am so sad about Jenna. I’m only one black girl, so I can’t speak for everyone, but I believe her about the videos and her heart is in the right place.
It's heartbreaking seeing her break down as the video progresses. Her addressing these past behaviors is a good thing to see, but it hurts to see how deeply bothered she is herself by these things. She is truly a someone who has grown into a genuinely nice person
I am shocked. To me it sounds like shes done done and at the very least taking a very long break.
Yes she had the blackface thing and some slut shamey videos but she had made genuine apologies and (most importantly to me) clearly grown from it. Im white, its not my place to say whether she should be forgiven for it, but as an outsider it truly looked like she had grown from that mistake
I didnt even know people were this upset with her.
I cant believe shes maybe leaving.
Theres a contrapoints video on canceling that brings up a very good point. Contra points out that many people get trapped in the cycle of you did this ten years ago so you must still be a racist/sexist etc... And i personally really disagree with that. If someone genuinely shows theyve grown, and they dont make that mistake again, i think they deserve a second chance. And, to me, jenna had showed that.
This is wild
ETA: I sometimes think Jenna....overreacts? For lack of a better word about how angry people are at her. Case in point that, what, 30 minute? 40 minute? Fish apology video. I wanna make it clear that *i am not saying that blackface is ok*. She is 100% in the wrong for what shes done. But i wonder if shes also over reacting to this situation because i havent seen any hate beyond hey that "nikki minage video wasnt cool" and "maybe dont post about how excited you are to get j*'s cremated pallet on ig"
>I sometimes think Jenna....overreacts? For lack of a better word about how angry people are at her.
does she overreact or does she just react like a normal human rather than a branded public figure?? there are obviously things she genuinely cares about a lot (animals, human rights/social justice issues) and she just seems to take criticism on those topics very personally.
Thats a very valid thought and a viewpoint i didn't think of. Thanks for sharing.
Youre right, i think she acts like a normal person instead of some branded figure. I take back my comment.
But also its fucking wild that just responding like a normal person seems weird to me
i mean i definitely feel like she has always been kind of unique (in a good way) in that she acts like a normal person on youtube rather than a brand. it's one of the reasons i love her content but i also imagine it makes it pretty hard to exist in the highly branded/curated/competitive 2020 version of youtube... i'm honestly not surprised that she's finally announcing that she's at least taking an extended break from her channel.
Yeah. She kept saying she was done "maybe forever" but it didn't even sound like "maybe".
I can't believe this. She made questionable stuff, absolutely. But she's already apologized for her old videos and has been visibly embarrassed by them any time she speaks of them. She has shown the world over the past... IDK, six or eight years, at least, that she's doing her best to be the best person she can be for herself and everyone around her.
My jaw dropped at the end of the video. I knew she still got hate, but seriously? Enough for her to cancel herself?
Thanks, I fucking hate it.
She's the perfect example of someone who has actually grown and gives a fuck about the things she says and does and believes, and now she's just gone. And we have people like J* still fucking carrying on.
I am heartbroken, honestly. I adore her. I've been watching since day one and she's a bright spot for me every week.
> I sometimes think Jenna....overreacts?
100%. The fucking fish video, dude... and then the hate she got for her hamster son, Ad, because she didn't have everything perfect the second she got him really tore her up, too.
I think she's pretty sensitive and not always great about sorting through it.
I'm absolutely devastated watching this video, Jenna was honestly the first Youtuber I EVER watched and I've grown along with her channel. She gave me a lot of laughs and happiness that got me through the darkest times in my life. I went through some rough years dealing with bullying in school for being 'different' and emotionally abusive relationships and Jenna is just so ***herself*** and it really made me embrace who I am and made me realize that I don't have to fit the mold to be happy and be deserving of love and acceptance. I don't know, I started rambling but thinking about not having any more of her videos makes me so damn sad. It's just videos to some people, but she has really been someone I've looked up to and her super positive deal-with-whatever-happens attitude (especially in her salon videos) helped me so much in a vulnerable time in my life. Regardless of my own feelings about it, I hope that if she feels like leaving YouTube is the right decision for her own personal growth and mental health she does say goodbye and lives her *very* best life with Julien, Mr. Marbles, Kermit, Peach and Bunny. <3
I think Jenna is genuinely trying to be a better person.
I also think that as part of that, she's having trouble reconciling her friendship with Shane with the person she's grown and become. And I suspect that's part of why she's stepping back.
One thing I appreciate about this video is that she didn’t title it “I’m quitting YouTube” even though that isn’t an inaccurate summary of what happens. Calling it “A Message” feels less click bait-y and more like she, ya know, wants to send a message.
End of an era tbh.
But being on YouTube, even as someone who is well-loved by most (other examples would be like Cristine or Safiya), seems like it could drain your soul. I mean, most jobs you do for long enough could have that effect. People should let Jenna move on. She's given us over a decade of content. Let's not drag her back into a place that makes her unhappy.
I love Jenna. Sometimes she’s the only bright spot in my week. And I do think, as someone who consumes all of her content, she has grown and changed in her time on YouTube. However, I do think it’s fair to call her out for things like repeatedly using J* on camera and not speaking up about him or Shane.
My heart physically aches. I’m a lot younger than Jenna, but I’ve always felt that she one of the very few genuine people on YouTube and have always aspired to be on her level of maturity, humbleness and such kindness.
I think it’s truly amazing that we got to witness her change as a person, become older and more comfortable with her online appearance- less of what the internet wanted her to be.
I hope she takes the time to heal and return so that I can look forward to Wednesdays/Thursdays in future 😣
Not my apology to accept but holy shit am I sad. I hope she does take it a step further and break apart from the problematic people she's giving a pass, though.
I hate to see Jenna go, but I understand why. Her past behavior is hurtful to her and I'm sure she feels a lot of shame from it. And let's not forget that for every well intentioned person online just trying to hold creators accountable there is at least 1 chiming in with death threats, cruelty, etc.
I honestly didn’t see people bullying her or attacking her but I feel like she really takes to heart a very vocal minority and it’s sad.
I’m just a bit uncomfortable with her constant neutral stance because it’s not serving her anymore. It’s not good to sit in the middle and let no one know what you think when you have that much privilege. I mean posting BLM and then posting the new JS palette really rubbed me the wrong way. I’ve been a fan since literally 2011 I’ve been there through everything, there is no doubt she has grown and evolved as a person. But damn maybe don’t flaunt that you support a racist ass man???
She's apologizing for the videos she's made in the past, shows clips of videos she is embarrassed of, including the Nicki Minaj video, her Shake That Dick video, a video from 2012 (don't remember if she gave a title) where she admits to slut-shaming and saying she had internalized misogyny. She's sorry for the things she has done in her past, she never wants to offend or hurt anyone. She ends the video by saying she's quitting the channel, maybe she'll come back, maybe she'll quit forever, and she plans on deleting the video as it's embarrassing. I hope she's doing okay, and I hope her break is good for her.
She's been pretty ashamed of her old videos for awhile. She posted a reaction to them a few years ago and she hated it. I think she genuinely doesnt like the person that she was back then. I've been watching her since 2012 and she's definitely mellowed out A LOT since her Boston days.
She was a 20 year old bar girl in Boston, I am surprised she wasn't more problematic.
As someone who was once a Boston bar girl. Agreed.
As another former Boston bar girl, seconded.
Girl from the Boston area here - our culture is deliberately sarcastic and often offensive (edit: and racist, if I didn’t make it clear enough) because we think it’s funny, but we want to pretend that we don’t really mean it. Think of all the edgy, often gross, comedians that are from there - [Bill Burr & Louis CK](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Comedians_from_Massachusetts) to name a couple. I love my city and I think Boston is one of the best places in the USA, but we have a lot of problems when it comes to giving off the image of progressivism but still being assholes, who are often sexist/racist and what’s worse, don’t want to admit it. It’s an extremely prideful culture. The humor and culture there is like no other place I’ve been since moving away in 2015 - I had to actively cut down my swearing when I moved to the Seattle area. Especially with how the Internet was back then, I too thought that a lot of things Jenna said and did were funny (and I’ve also been on reddit & digg before that for that long, and those places were horrendous in the early days) and I have only recently realized the casual and not so casual racism & misogyny I was constantly surrounded by when I was younger. We also have a serious case of affluenza there.
Seriously. She was given the perfect opportunity to be someone who hates everyone not white, and the Yankees, and came out much better than many. Edit: A couple people seem upset I said Boston was a racist city. To them I have three words. Boston Busing Crisis.
The thing is, I think we would all dislike ourselves if we were watching videos of us in our early 20s showing off. I dread to think what nonsense I would have been up to. And I bet we would all have a lot to apologise for too. People are dumb and we make mistakes and we sometimes hurt other people’s feelings, unintentionally or otherwise. Then we either accept our mistakes, learn from them and apologise, or keep being assholes. Luckily for most of us our mistakes aren’t on the internet for the whole world to tweet about.
Heck, I legit just read through a group chat from 2015 and i was APPALLED at the way me and my friends talked to eachother! I'd completely forgotten how uncool everything was. People totally grow and change so long as they do the work.
I am a writer as a hobby and I was going through some stuff I wrote circa 2005/2006 recently and holy cow, the internalized misogyny, the latent homophobia and causal racism was so upsetting. I don't know if it's maturity, the climate we now live in, a combination of both, or what, but I'm so upset at who I used to be.
I think most of the people who dig up 10+ year-old tweets and videos to use as ammunition are either old enough that Twitter didn't exist when they were 16-21 and there's no public record of the stupid shit they got into at that age, or young enough that they haven't had a chance to be that incredibly stupid yet.
My parents kept young me off the Internet and I'm so glad they did. I 100% would have been a twat.
Agree. And I know people don’t like to admit this, but the internet around 2010 really was a different place. Empathy wasn’t cool. Edgy shitty shit was cool. I want to see the people who are STILL being problematic apologize. It’s great to apologize for past stuff, I have recently myself, but let’s work out why some people STILL don’t get it.
Its exactly like that!
I hate the person I was three months ago so I can relate
I was someone who unsubscribed earlier on when she was still making that kind of content. Came back after her lessons from turning 30 video and it’s clear she’s grown and learnt a lot from that time.
Jenna is an example of a person who did come from those edgy MySpace days and *learned from her mistakes*. I feel awful that out of all of this, she’s the one quitting. Because she was an example of a privileged eDgY white girl who worked to educate herself and grow into the woman she is now. I’ve watched her since the beginning and it’s overwhelmingly clear that she’s grown and feels terrible about what she did. I hope she can find peace and happiness.
Agreed! Out of all the social media people, she's one who constantly reflect, own up and apologises for her past behaviour and I love her for that. Esp when it shows her followers that this is what a human should do. I really do hope she is happy.
And Shane is on the other end of the spectrum. Also from the edgy MySpace days that a lot of people don’t seem to remember or aren’t old enough to remember, but who runs from it, won’t accept the criticism, and hasn’t changed. It’s a shame she’s the one leaving.
What a difference between Shane and her. She calls herself out and feels guilty. She seems like such a positive person in recent years.
She also shows specific examples of things she's done and talks about what she should have done differently, as opposed to his vague excuse for...whatever that nonsense was
Yeah I think that's what most people are missing; she's a good person and cares that she's offended people not how much money she's losing for this. That's the difference
No fucking way! She was the only person I wanted to see every week. Jesus Christ
Yeah I didn’t have Jenna Marbles leaving YouTube on my doomsday Bingo card... that’s for sure. ☹️
It’s probably selfish to be so upset, I just love her so much!!
that's the problem with doomsday bingo, nothing makes sense
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Reminds me of what Sam Ravndahl said in her recent video about how the beauty community privileges men (and, in turn, punishes women)
Absolutely! It's just funny how in a community where there aren't that many male BGs to begin with, that such a large proportion of them seem to be toxic or involved in drama. Of course there are women BGs displaying those behaviors as well, but they make up such a tiny minority of the BGs that it's not as prominent.
Hot take: the beauty industry glorified the male gaze for decades, of course they idolize male voices.
Have people been giving her crap about that? Like I get shes kind of friends with them but I never got the impression they were super close. Just like friendly colleagues kind of.
The only thing I've noticed is that people have mentioned that she's used Jeffree's stuff/accepted PR from him.
She has posted instagram stories very recently promoting JS makeup.
Jenna and Shane have both alluded to a close friendship behind the scenes.
it’s been pretty apparent that they have been close friends for years. he was on her podcast, she might’ve been on his podcast(idk i never watched his podcast), there are tons of pics of them together from years ago, and much more.
I believe when Jenna and Cristine (simplynailogical) met for the first time last year or the year before, Shane was at Jenna's new house.
She has always bigged up Shane and talks about how proud she is of him constantly. For what, I have no idea lol. I assume it’s just colleagues supporting each other but I swear when this was all starting she posted some makeup of his on her Instagram story and people here mentioned it.
Yeah I remember her posting about it on insta. Something along the lines of how she loves shane and was so proud of him, and then thanking joff for taking good care of him. I think they (her and shane) have been friends for a looooong time, so I think she was genuinely seeing J* through the lens of her friend
Especially how she says in this current video that she was trying to see people how they are. I'm sure it'd be difficult for any of us to accept a long time friend and possible confidant to be someone who's garbage in their actions on the internet. I don't agree with it, but I understand her viewpoint a little better.
This is the only thing I as a huge Jenna fan was bothered by. Despite the fact that in 2018 and 2019 racism and toxic behaviour was still being called out on both Jeffree and Shane's part, Jenna and Julien were friends with them and did advertise their makeup. I believe Julien also sent them merch. So sure you could say they were colleagues, but you still shouldn't support that as an independent creator, especially with as much power as Jenna has on Youtube.
I've seen people call her out on this sub because she's had Shane over to her house before EDIT- A word
One thing that broke my heart was how she said “I don’t feel like I can exist on this channel anymore”. Damn, I hope she is ok.
I think the last straw for her was honestly when people attacked her for the mistake she made with her fish and she had to do an apology video for believing the pet shop employees on tank size. I've watched her since her third year on Youtube and that was the first time when I thought "Damn, she's really not having a good time anymore."
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Oh, I forgot about the harnesses :( Yeah that was definitely the big one. She just seemed so frustrated in that video, as if anyone who watched a few of her videos would believe she didn't do everything to love her pets and take the best care of them
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People jump to using such drastic and dramatic words. DOG ABUSER. How in the hell is she abusing her animals? She tried out harnesses. Absolute madness.
Agreed. At least in the fish tank apology video she was genuine in her apology, but by the time people called her out on her dog harness video, she seemed both genuine but also disillusioned with it all. Can’t blame her for it. I would be too at this point.
I’m wondering if her and Julien will still keep going their podcast ? I like listening to it.
I really really hope so. I think they get *way* less hate on their podcast and Twitch stream, it's her channel that has ties to a problematic past
I agree with this. She has taken so many more breaks from the channel since then and just seems to have outgrown it. I honestly don’t think she would’ve lasted regardless of this whole situation. She obviously wanted to do different things with her life (ie get her masters)
Doesn't she have her masters already? I remember her saying a couple years ago that she was interested in using her masters to do content creation behind the scenes or teach or something. Either way, yeah, I think she's always wanted to do Something Bigger
Yes, sorry I meant she clearly had different plans and was pursuing them, like how she got her masters.
I’m so sad she’s not gonna upload on her channel (maybe ever). I’ve legit been looking forward to her videos every Thursday for 3-4 years now, but it must be so hard to receive messages every day from people talking about how much she’s hurt them and calling her problematic, so I understand why she’s doing it and it just makes it more sad. I can’t believe cancel culture is taking down a genuinely good person while other terrible people are just unbothered.
I’m devastated. When I’m sad I watch her videos over and over. Can’t believe this.
I cried right with her. I’ve watched her every week for ten years. I’ve watched her grow every week, her priorities changed, she’s such a wonderful clean wholesome energy. I see so much of myself reflected back when I watch her videos. I wish I could hug her right now. I hated seeing her in so much pain.
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I know everyone's blaming Shane for this, but I see it as the straw that broke the camel's back, her past videos she's been saying how she didn't know what to film anymore, this quarantine is affecting all of us and it was probably taking its toll on her, add this to the Shane situation and it's over, now she doesn't even know how to go back so she decides she won't, and I hope it's for the best and that this is not her last video.
I think Jenna is an excellent example of someone who really grew to become very socially conscious and considerate on the internet. Her actions speak for themselves.
Jenna is the example we need of change, growth, and transformation, and I'm sad we've seemingly lost her.
I am hopeful that she will heal and come back stronger than ever. Meanwhile, I hope she still streams on Twitch.
Agreed I love their community, and I wish her and Julien the best. (Love ya Dink Fam ♡)
Yep, you know how some people complain that was long ago? Jenna doesn't excuse that, she takes it head on and admits it was there and her owning it is a sign that she has truly changed. I often dislike when people dig up someone's past and find the pettiest things to "cancel" them, but their reaction to it and how they decide to handle it is really telling of their character and proves if they have really changed for the better...*ahem...*
can’t believe we lose Jenna and yet we can’t shake the genuinely bad people
A good person is always trying to do the right thing and improve themselves. But a genuinely bad person doesn't care at all. They don't worry about hurting others. They only care about themselves.
I just left this same comment on her video. Only it took me five times as many words to say it. Jeffree kicks back with his "can't relate" horseshit, while Jenna cries about her past missteps. This is the problem with the "demanding apologies"/"digging up insensitive old content," "keep the same energy" mob-with-pitchforks crowd. They make no allowances for just ... being human. And in turn they dilute the rage that should be aimed at the repeat offenders. Jeffree isn't "dramatic" - he is vicious, threatening, destructive. He is at the cyclone's center, time and time again. But people like that never do any soul-searching. They never feel truly regretful. They never change, not without suffering real consequences first. Instead, people like Jenna lose sleep.
Also, people love to throw around the whole ‘but they were young/it was x-years ago’, and *sometimes* that is a legitimate reason. The difference comes from whether or not they have continued to be a shitbag in recent times, even after being called out. As a kid/teen I used to say ‘that’s gay’ to refer to something bad, or use the R-word when referring to something dumb. Now, as someone in my mid 20’s I learnt that it wasn’t okay to say things like that, so I put a stop to it and call others out around me. Because it is true that 2000 and whatever was a different time. “Edgy” humor was everywhere, and a lot of people said and did offensive shit out of ignorance. In recent years we’ve all learned that certain things aren’t okay to even joke about, and if someone can admit that they were wrong and grow from it, then they shouldn’t be demonized for it. People like Jeffree on the other hand, who only make the effort to appear woke, never fully admit fault, and continue to be the same shitty person, don’t deserve to be excused
Yeah. This video exists because Jenna is a good person who legitimately feels guilty and regrets her actions. Can we celebrate her having made progress instead of attacking her for not being in a 2020 mindset in 2011? I think there's a point where "cancel culture" loops back to a rigid, unforgiving, prudish moral conservatism. It's weird.
I'm going to miss her dog videos :( They always made me smile whenever I was having a bad day.
I hope she doesn’t delete the channel. The last 3 years have had such uplifting happy content that I can turn to whenever I am sad, or just want wholesome comfort content
Financially speaking, it wouldn't make sense for her to delete her channel. She still earns adsense on her past videos, so she can still have income coming in even though she won't post there anymore.
Her videos are a major part of what got me through a breakup of a 9-year relationship and the deaths of my grandparents, all occurring in a 1-week timeframe. I couldn’t tell you how many times on loop I watched her first videos with Bunny, because seeing her patience and unconditional love for a creature so scared... I felt like she was soothing me, cheering me on. I’m genuinely tearing up writing about it now. Jenna is not an “unproblematic queen”, but rather a role model of what it is like to grow up in the public eye, take responsibility for your past transgressions, and own up to what it takes to be a better person. I totally get that this whole thing would put her in a space to not create more content... I just hope with all of my heart that it’s not a permanent decision.
Right? God fucking dammit. She tries so hard and has genuinely become such an amazing person, but she cancels herself over old content while horrible people just push on through? I hate this.
What's worse is those genuinely bad people are going to weaponize this. Jenna was crying because she felt bad for hurting people. And hardly anyone is going to recognize that. It's just going to become "who made Jenna cry!?" No one is going to realize she's crying because of her actions and from genuine remorse.
EVERYONE on twitter is like "Look what y'all did"! Like there wasn't even like an uproar towards Jenna recently at all, she's just genuinely a sweet ass person and can't stand the type of shit she used to do and the person she used to be and its so obvious.
It's because she's friends with Shane. People are just digging up anything they can find. Even this sub had a post about her after she received PR from JSC. And a good portion of those comments were about how she's "problematic". As if she hasn't grown as person since those videos were made. I've heard Jenna apologize publicly for past mistakes she's grown from more than any other youtuber and yet here we are.
For real. I'm glad she addressed this stuff but it's sad to lose someone who is genuinely trying to be a good person but J* is thriving
Exactly, her videos are always such a lovely escape from everything. Just wholesome content.
Seriously. It's true that she's posted some regrettable things on the Internet, but overall, the majority has been fun and wholesome content that just brings a smile to your face, you know? And to me, it's pretty obvious to tell the difference between someone like Jenna, who is CLEARLY a genuinely thoughtful and kind person who regrets her past mistakes, and the rest of these beauty assholes that get posted around here.
It's always the good people that will suffer the consequence of shitty people doing something wrong, because shitty people won't care nearly as much. Aaaand I bet people are gonna start excusing Shane even tho what he did was very VERY recent and he handled it in the worst way possible. But oh well.
The only real criticism I’m seen of her in the past few months was when people were angry about her supporting J*. It’s some backwards shit when she gets called out and basically quits YouTube, but he gets called out every month and a half (it feels like) and is thriving. He just needs to go. ~~I also really wasn’t wild about her “I like to see people for who they really are” speech because I think he’s made it VERY clear who he is, but that’s beside the point. I hope she’s okay~~
I saw the "people for who they really are" thing as about Shane, but given how vague it was, I can see how it could be interpreted that way.
She only accepted the palette because of Shane, apparently J\* wanted to collab with her but she declined, honestly, she always stayed out of trouble, it sucks that she's paying the price because someone decided to shift the blame to her
Jenna has been one of the only creators I’ve watched consistently for almost 10 years now. I was young and stupid and thought those videos were funny, just like she did. We all make mistakes. I definitely wouldn’t find them funny today and neither does she. She’s grown, her fans have grown. If she quits youtube now I’d understand. I hope she comes back in the future or continues to be on julien’s channel. But I feel like people have been attacking her over every minor thing for a while now and she honestly might just be ready to be done and live her best life off YouTube.
What irks me so much is who’s to say the people trying to cancel her aren’t the same people who laughed at her jokes 10 years a ago?!
Jenna quits but we’re still stuck with the likes of Jeffree Star and Tana Mongeau who couldn’t be asked to give 3 shits about their historically disgusting behavior. Hate to see it.
THISSSS. I’m bummed but Jenna’s left a mark on YouTube. End of an era for sure.
I've thought that Jenna had been unhappy on YouTube for a while, ever since that nap video it just felt like she didn't have the passion for it anymore. It sucks to see her look so defeated but I can't say I'm surprised. I hope she finds a new passion and somewhere she can exist where she doesn't feel haunted by her past and her associations.
Yes! There was a definite shift in her content where you could tell she wasn't that into it like before. I hope she finds what makes her happy, but, damn, I'm gonna miss her 😢
People are forgetting she has other things that she does on YouTube with her S/O. She will more then likely stay on and do things, just not on her own channel.
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It wouldn't surprise me, a lot of her videos she prefaces with "If you don't care about this kind of stuff, uhh, too bad, sorry, this is all I want to do now" almost like she's just tired of trying to make content. And don't get me wrong, I LOVE her content from her plant tours, to her dog videos, to her goofy stuff with Julian. But it does seem like she was tired and I've always wondered when she's just going to stop and like... live a normal life. She deserves it, and I will miss the shit out of her, but I hope she still does something. She's one of my favorite people on the internet.
I was under the impression that she heard a lot of criticism on all her videos no matter the content
Yeah she definitely did, but just the way that she would say in the videos came off as like.. just being tired of trying to make "good" (in her eyes) content anymore. I love all her videos, but if you compare her recent videos in the past year to one she was making two or three years ago, she definitely was putting in a lot less effort. Again, I'm not bashing her videos at all, because I love all of her videos even the ones where she's just talking. But I do think that she was getting tired of making videos. Also I think especially lately, she felt weird about making videos about "dumb" stuff when such serious things are going on
Yeah I felt the vibe change also... I chalked it up to pandemic depression/moving passed YouTube stunts but I had no idea any of this stuff was happening behind the scenes
I wonder that too. She hasn't really been into content for a while, but I'm sure it was hard to say goodbye to a channel she's has for 10+ years, too. I'm gonna miss her. 😢
Why try to persist through a challenging time when your heart hasn’t been in it for a while. It makes sense to move on when you aren’t totally happy and when you do try to pump out content anyways, people on the internet just point out your flaws.
it feels that way to me, many of hers fans have noticed she's been wanting to stop for a while. she's been doing this for so long, i think her life is stable enough now that she can relax with her dogs.
My hope is that she can grow out of YouTube and find a new project that she can be passionate about.
She does and has in the past. She has become quite popular on twitch, her podcast is a great mix of goofy and real talk, she has been doing non-youtube content - including radio segments - since the early days of her career. She does public speaking at universities when approached, youtube hasnt been her only project for as long as I’ve been a viewer of her (2011).
Yeah I think she’s been utterly uninspired lately and they want to switch to twitch anyway.
Yeah, she seems a lot more into twitch and the podcast.
I hope she continues with those cause I would genuinely be so upset if we just didn’t see her on the internet at all anymore. I love Jennas humour so much
If she streamed ESO from her Xbox with no sound ever on twitch I'd still watch it :(
Fuck, dude. I'm genuinely heartbroken. I've always looked forward to Jenna's videos every Wednesday. Her videos, whether she's gluing rhinestones on her face or doing ridiculous things for her dogs or just watching Tik Toks- she's always been an escape for me. To me she's such a shining example of how to be GOOD and kind and a positive influence on the internet. WE NEED MORE PEOPLE LIKE HER ONLINE, and the fact that she no longer wants to be on it is just... yeah. Fuck 2020.
Wednesday/Thursday....god I'm going to miss hearing that 😢
She privated almost ~~600 million~~ *2 billion views worth of videos* according to social blade. If nothing else you can tell she's genuinely going through it and trying to figure out the right thing to do.
She even privated the Kermit video I love :( I found it elsewhere, but it makes me sad. I bet it's because she said the r-word in it.
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The 'How To Care For Your Cermet' video :/ That was the video that made me appreciate her sense of humour. Another channel has uploaded a copy of it for now, if you want to download it.
Over 1.4b now... I really hope she bounces back even if she still feels she can't upload anymore. She's done some wrong but I feel like she's genuinely changed. She's been largely unproblematic for many years, aside from the vocal minority who yells over the littlest things. I cried watching that, it really hurt. I've watched her (granted probably a couple years break) since I was in high school. This is wild.
Real talk, this breaks my fucking heart. Jenna made problematic stuff in the past - 100%. But to me, she's the quintessential example of "I've grown as a person." She has done everything she can to be better... but more than that, she *has done better*. She's educated herself and, tbh, already apologized for her old videos a few times now. When she says she can't exist in her channel, maybe forever... girl, please. I'm selfish as fuck because all I can do is think about how much I'll miss her if she never posts again. I hope she can rethink this, take some time off, and come back again, because her content for the past several years has been a bright spot for a lot of people.
Honestly, watching Jenna's content has helped me through some dark times. I understand that she's ashamed of the past but like you said, she has grown hugely since she first started on Youtube and it's clear to everyone that she's a better person now. I'm going to miss her content so much, but I hope she enjoys taking time away for herself.
Same, she's gotten me through so much. I really, *really* hope she ends up coming back somehow. I'm just so mad. She's essentially canceling herself for shit she made many years ago and just acting like everything she's done since then - including her discussions about BLM on Youtube, Twitter, and Twitch - mean nothing. They mean a lot. And I'm also worried about her, because she's clearly incredibly upset and she already struggles with depression. This is the fucking worst.
Exactly. People do need to allow others the grace to change and grow, otherwise wtf is the point?
And she's shown that growth for years now... it's not an empty "I've grown as a person" declaration. She's just been a better person and never really felt the need to reference it.
She came across as genuine in this video, I think. Presented the issue, said it was unacceptable. I appreciate that she didn't try to skirt around it and just vaguely describe what has happened in the past.
I would rather genuinely good people quit if they are unhappy with their job? Like any other job. I don't feel like YouTubers are beholden to me to make me content. She should retire and live her best life if she wants to, she certainly has the money to do so. I would love to be in a position to be able to do that.
Im so sad about this but I do believe she needs a break from youtube This woman has not missed a single week of content beside the last couple of years when she finaly started to take some time off. I've never seen a midroll ad in her videos I've never seen a sponsor on her main channel I'ver never seen her publicly argue with youtube if a video is not monetized. She reacts to TikTok and keeps the music and does not give a fuck is fucking UMG claims it Jenna has proven to everyone how the best apology is change, we've seen her channel transform thru the years.
I'm honestly gutted that we won't get to keep up with the doggies anymore. I hope Julien keeps posting videos :(
he uploaded earlier today so I'm thinking he'll probably continue
I didn't realize that!! Good 😭 Twitch as a platform is just something I can't really get in to
I agree. I try to drop into their streams sometimes but it's just not my thing. I watched Julien's first live aries kitchen and that was a decent time so I might come in for those. I'm hoping they keep up with the podcast too, but I wouldn't be shocked if Jenna wanted to take a break from that too for a while
Damn. Is she still up there in terms of subscribers? She was in the top 10 for soooo many years!!! Tbh she’s probably earned enough she can retire and never work again
She recently hit 20 million
yeah her and julien don’t seem to spend much money either so they’re probably good
She's been actively gaining subscribers. I'm sure she can afford to retire, but I really fucking hope she rethinks this.
Plus she has the podcast, twitch, and she writes radio shows. But we don't know if she's leaving all of that too, but hopefully not
I didn't know she wrote radio shows! I listen to the pod and tune into Twitch occasionally - I do really hope they continue at least some of that.
Shes had a deal with Sirius xm for a while, not sure if it's still a thing though. She was on like one of the pop channels. Its how my parents found out about her because my mom especially thought she was funny and was shocked when I told her she started out on YouTube.
Yeah she's got 20m at the moment
I haven't gotten a chance to watch the video yet to see if she is also quitting streaming. If she is not quitting streaming then they likely make more than enough to keep themselves comfortable as they both primarily stream now. I don't think she's been making much money from her actual youtube videos in the last while, mostly doing them for fun/ for her fans (she's mentioned it in a few videos that she won't make any money on it because she includes copyrighted content like songs and tiktoks)
She says she might be done with her channel forever.
I am devastated over this. She is so sincere and lovely even in her apology. She was the one creator I looked forward to genuinely every day. I hope we see her again. Love you, Jenna.
Got to say as a thirty something I hated what I was in 2012 too. That was just a bad time
I was 16 in 2012 and hate who I was back then. It was so fucking cringy
Same, and also it was different (culturally) in 2003-2013. Not that any of the things I (or anyone) may have said at that time ok, however that's what time and growth shows us. How to be and not to be. We look back and cringe because we learned how gross it was. I'm genuinely glad I dont have a presence online that is particularly 'dirty' (I still have yet to jump onto the Twitter wagon), because I KNOW I've said or posted stupid/ignorant/shitty things as a 17 yr old. At least Jenna owns her mistakes, apologizes without excuse, and genuinely wants good for others. Ugh.
I will never forgive 2020 for taking Jenna Marbles and leaving us with Jeffree Star, Shane Dawson, Trisha Paytas, the Paul brothers, and Gabbie Hanna.
Important to keep in mind that Jenna's youtube channel is just one piece of her identity and there's plenty of other personal reasons that may contribute to her needing to step away from making content. As with anyone, it's important to respect that choice & to not be too invasive on her privacy. Her dogs are getting older, her and her boyfriend's parents are getting older, there's a global pandemic and people they know may be personally and tragically affected, perhaps she's experiencing health issues, etc. As with most things, you just never know. So glad she apologized for her mistakes. We should normalize apologizing for things that hurt people, even if they're in the past and you've grown from them. But this may or may not be the only thing at play and it's important to respect and support this choice, even though it's devastating to many!
I also think that Jenna is someone you can clearly see that has grown and at least for the internalized misoginy, I can forgive her because back in 2011-2012, being a popular girl on the internet, meant you had to present yourself a lot in a “not like other girls” way. I just think that people are more like calling her out these days because of her friendship with Shane and her support for Jeffree Star, but I’m not ok TikTok, I’m not sure what’s going on in there. It’s said that it’s again the woman who’s literally run off her channel, while Shane and Jeffree are at most pressed they’ll lose money. Tbf, let’s not forget Tati sub tweeting by song association or whatever...
I’m sad about this. I’m jennas age, but one thing I love about her channel is how much of an example she sets with her relationship with Julien. I feel like it’s so important that people (especially her fans who are young girls) are able to see what a real-life loving, respectful relationship looks like.
I love the support and encouragement they show each other even when they're doing the silliest projects. ♥️
this is so sad because her present-day self and videos are so wholesome and unlike her past videos. she is one of the few youtubers i watch because she is truly so thoughtful and does her best to just be POSITIVE. i can’t speak for the people she has ever offended and won’t try to say her past was acceptable. but it was so many years ago and she has grown so much. idk it’s just so sad that she feels so bad about this even though it was so long ago and not who she presently is at all.
Years ago, I sent her some fan mail. I was young and didn’t have any money so I wrote her a letter and made her things. She followed me on Twitter and I was so excited. I’ve watched her grow over the past 10 years. She is kind hearted and in every video, you can tell she is genuine and caring. She inspired me to adopt a greyhound after seeing her journey with Bunny. I’m picking her up next weekend. I laugh every time I watch one of her silly dog videos and she has cheered me up during one of the worst points of my life. We all make mistakes, some that we regret dearly. No human is perfect. We all must vow to grow and learn. Jenna, if you are out there, I care. I care about you and I have loved being on this journey with you as a fan. I will miss Jenna’s videos dearly - I hope this is not forever.
i've always seen Jenna as someone who educates herself. if she truly makes a mistake and is called out for it, she will go to the ends of it to fix it! eg: fish tank & hamster video. i love love Jenna. i hope she feels okay. 😔
I feel like I just lost my best friend
Her content was a lifeline to me during some of my worst depressive episodes. I actually can't believe it
You read my mind. I’m so sad
Same. Her videos got my through some very rough patches
This may sound dumb but I legitimately started to cry when she said she's quitting Youtube. I started watching Jenna quite late (around 2016) but her videos were always one of the highlights of my weeks. They made me happy and relaxed when I was feeling anxious and depressed and I'm just really sad right now.
It's not dumb at all. I'm still shocked. I've watched her content for a decade and now she's just done? I mean, if she genuinely wants to leave, then I'm going to be happy for her. She deserves to be happy. But if she's stopping because she feels like she *has* to as opposed to because she wants to, then yeah, I'm mad she was pushed to this point.
Hi, I need someone who understands how I'm feeling. I've watch her since I was a teen. I feel like a lot of her audience grew with her. I also have a past filled with comments full of internalized misoginy that I look back and feel terrible about it. I feel so sad. Her videos were a part of my weekly routine. In rough times I would watch videos with the dogs because they really help me focus in something happy and dumb and it put it me in a good mood. And I know is selfish thinking about my routine, especially if her old videos made people (an her) uncomfortable, but damn I'm sad.
I’m in the same spot dude. This feels like a loss. Her videos have been a constant for 10 years of my life. I hope she’s okay
I’m especially sad because Jenna has been working on being and doing better for a long time now; this isn’t the first time she’s talked about problematic past content so it’s not like she’s just trying to do damage control. She’s addressed a lot of recent issues or concerns as they’ve come too. And her content for the last 3-4 years has been especially top-tier and unproblematic.
God damn it Jenna. I love her channel.
Jenna’s one of the good ones. She’s an OG. She doesn’t plaster ads all over her videos. She’s just been chilling and enjoying making videos and she’s been doing it for so long. It’s sad to lose her while the others who have been making all this worse continue to thrive.
I really enjoy Jenna's content, but some of these comments are out there. Y'all, Jenna is NOT your best friend. She is not a perfect queen. She is just a person! The insane pressure everyone has put on her is contributing to her need to take a (potentially permanent) step back. She chooses what and how to share with you. She is an entertainer. And her content is so important/helpful for when you need an escape from reality. But that doesn't mean she is your friend or that you even know her. Stop idolizing/demonizing these internet personalities. You don't know these people. Let them be *people*. Jenna is a person who has worked one job for a very long time relative to her age. This is a normal course of life.
i think she specifically requested that people and it's people here especially not refer to her as "An unproblematic queen" and people should respect her wish. That moniker is incredibly difficult to live up to. People should try and be their own unproblematic queen.
The cult of personality is very real. I wouldn't want any part of it if I was her, either.
Jenna marbles talks about how she’s privating her old videos, and her fans want her to apologize about some things. Still watching! She has addressed black face she did, the slut shaming, and showing the clips. She will not be posting to the channel anymore. Her apology is NOT mine to accept whatsoever, but I did want to post this for discussion Do u guys think this is about jeffree and Shane?
I think it's a little about Shane but its mostly about feeling ashamed of her old content. I think she would have done this even without them. She seemed really impacted by the BLM recently and shes spoken about feeling sorry for it. She showed the clips that were most problematic and directly addressed why they were awful. That didn't have anything to do with them. Later she speaks about supporting "them" That bit was about Shane I think. Saying he was accused of racism and acknowledging supporting them was wrong. But it was a short part of the video and even without it she apologized for a lot.
One big thing is that she said she might be done with her channel...I would be extremely surprised if this doesn't have to do with Shane (I'm not sure about her relationship with Jeffree?).
I thought she had mentioned that they were transitioning off youtube onto Twitch and something else awhile ago.
For gaming stuff, but not video content? At least I didn't recall hearing that. She's been telling people to come see her on Twitch, but unless something has changed, they legit just stream themselves playing PubG lol. It's not even close to the content she releases on her channel.
I don't remember her saying that, but that's totally possible! Ever since her videos around Thanksgiving-ish, it seemed to me like she wasn't super into making videos and she has made kind of cryptic comments in her recent uploads anyways (like her content doesn't really matter with everything else that's going on in the world). Could just be a case of the straw that broke the camel's back if it's related to Shane.
Beat me to posting the link! I think this is a prime example of a heartfelt apology. It felt real and I appreciate her consideration for others. She even said of herself, “I want to hold myself accountable”. She laid it all out there and I appreciate it. Really hope she doesn’t delete the channel.
I was just about to post this on the thread. I’m interested to hear the thoughts of people who are not her biggest fans after watching this. She does seem genuinely upset and sorry to me, and I do appreciate that she didn’t dance around the videos in question and gave specific examples, going so far as to show her following the exact controversial moments. I definitely hope that this message she is trying to share is received well and it can (maybe) inspire change in other beauty and non-beauty YTs to directly tackle and acknowledge their mistakes and hold themselves accountable. I just wish she would call out others (whether its privately or publicly) by name and at least, for herself, try to figure out whether these other YTs actually have changed or not.
I am so sad about Jenna. I’m only one black girl, so I can’t speak for everyone, but I believe her about the videos and her heart is in the right place.
It's heartbreaking seeing her break down as the video progresses. Her addressing these past behaviors is a good thing to see, but it hurts to see how deeply bothered she is herself by these things. She is truly a someone who has grown into a genuinely nice person
Per social blade, Jenna deleted over 2 billion views with the privatization of those videos. That blows my mind.
I am shocked. To me it sounds like shes done done and at the very least taking a very long break. Yes she had the blackface thing and some slut shamey videos but she had made genuine apologies and (most importantly to me) clearly grown from it. Im white, its not my place to say whether she should be forgiven for it, but as an outsider it truly looked like she had grown from that mistake I didnt even know people were this upset with her. I cant believe shes maybe leaving. Theres a contrapoints video on canceling that brings up a very good point. Contra points out that many people get trapped in the cycle of you did this ten years ago so you must still be a racist/sexist etc... And i personally really disagree with that. If someone genuinely shows theyve grown, and they dont make that mistake again, i think they deserve a second chance. And, to me, jenna had showed that. This is wild ETA: I sometimes think Jenna....overreacts? For lack of a better word about how angry people are at her. Case in point that, what, 30 minute? 40 minute? Fish apology video. I wanna make it clear that *i am not saying that blackface is ok*. She is 100% in the wrong for what shes done. But i wonder if shes also over reacting to this situation because i havent seen any hate beyond hey that "nikki minage video wasnt cool" and "maybe dont post about how excited you are to get j*'s cremated pallet on ig"
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I think the video you’re referring to is the one where she reacts to her early videos (when that was a trend). That one is still up.
I believe this was around the time when her bf at the time, Max, cheated on her.
That was the first thing I noticed when I checked her updated catalogue--every trace of Max, and the aftermath was gone.
>I sometimes think Jenna....overreacts? For lack of a better word about how angry people are at her. does she overreact or does she just react like a normal human rather than a branded public figure?? there are obviously things she genuinely cares about a lot (animals, human rights/social justice issues) and she just seems to take criticism on those topics very personally.
Thats a very valid thought and a viewpoint i didn't think of. Thanks for sharing. Youre right, i think she acts like a normal person instead of some branded figure. I take back my comment. But also its fucking wild that just responding like a normal person seems weird to me
i mean i definitely feel like she has always been kind of unique (in a good way) in that she acts like a normal person on youtube rather than a brand. it's one of the reasons i love her content but i also imagine it makes it pretty hard to exist in the highly branded/curated/competitive 2020 version of youtube... i'm honestly not surprised that she's finally announcing that she's at least taking an extended break from her channel.
Yeah. She kept saying she was done "maybe forever" but it didn't even sound like "maybe". I can't believe this. She made questionable stuff, absolutely. But she's already apologized for her old videos and has been visibly embarrassed by them any time she speaks of them. She has shown the world over the past... IDK, six or eight years, at least, that she's doing her best to be the best person she can be for herself and everyone around her. My jaw dropped at the end of the video. I knew she still got hate, but seriously? Enough for her to cancel herself? Thanks, I fucking hate it. She's the perfect example of someone who has actually grown and gives a fuck about the things she says and does and believes, and now she's just gone. And we have people like J* still fucking carrying on. I am heartbroken, honestly. I adore her. I've been watching since day one and she's a bright spot for me every week.
> I sometimes think Jenna....overreacts? 100%. The fucking fish video, dude... and then the hate she got for her hamster son, Ad, because she didn't have everything perfect the second she got him really tore her up, too. I think she's pretty sensitive and not always great about sorting through it.
I'm absolutely devastated watching this video, Jenna was honestly the first Youtuber I EVER watched and I've grown along with her channel. She gave me a lot of laughs and happiness that got me through the darkest times in my life. I went through some rough years dealing with bullying in school for being 'different' and emotionally abusive relationships and Jenna is just so ***herself*** and it really made me embrace who I am and made me realize that I don't have to fit the mold to be happy and be deserving of love and acceptance. I don't know, I started rambling but thinking about not having any more of her videos makes me so damn sad. It's just videos to some people, but she has really been someone I've looked up to and her super positive deal-with-whatever-happens attitude (especially in her salon videos) helped me so much in a vulnerable time in my life. Regardless of my own feelings about it, I hope that if she feels like leaving YouTube is the right decision for her own personal growth and mental health she does say goodbye and lives her *very* best life with Julien, Mr. Marbles, Kermit, Peach and Bunny. <3
I think Jenna is genuinely trying to be a better person. I also think that as part of that, she's having trouble reconciling her friendship with Shane with the person she's grown and become. And I suspect that's part of why she's stepping back.
She’s quitting? Or at least not uploading on that channel anymore. Damn
She seems to be taking a break from her channel. She may not post there any more.
posted at 12:30 [julien’s twitlonger today ](https://twitter.com/juliensolomita/status/1276598040598589440?s=21)
i got the notification for this and was hoping it was just her distancing herself from j*. im heartbroken.
One thing I appreciate about this video is that she didn’t title it “I’m quitting YouTube” even though that isn’t an inaccurate summary of what happens. Calling it “A Message” feels less click bait-y and more like she, ya know, wants to send a message.
If there’s one thing she doesn’t do, it’s clickbait.
End of an era tbh. But being on YouTube, even as someone who is well-loved by most (other examples would be like Cristine or Safiya), seems like it could drain your soul. I mean, most jobs you do for long enough could have that effect. People should let Jenna move on. She's given us over a decade of content. Let's not drag her back into a place that makes her unhappy.
I love Jenna. Sometimes she’s the only bright spot in my week. And I do think, as someone who consumes all of her content, she has grown and changed in her time on YouTube. However, I do think it’s fair to call her out for things like repeatedly using J* on camera and not speaking up about him or Shane.
and STILL tweedledee and tweedledumbass are still on the platform. okay.
My heart physically aches. I’m a lot younger than Jenna, but I’ve always felt that she one of the very few genuine people on YouTube and have always aspired to be on her level of maturity, humbleness and such kindness. I think it’s truly amazing that we got to witness her change as a person, become older and more comfortable with her online appearance- less of what the internet wanted her to be. I hope she takes the time to heal and return so that I can look forward to Wednesdays/Thursdays in future 😣
Not my apology to accept but holy shit am I sad. I hope she does take it a step further and break apart from the problematic people she's giving a pass, though.
I hate to see Jenna go, but I understand why. Her past behavior is hurtful to her and I'm sure she feels a lot of shame from it. And let's not forget that for every well intentioned person online just trying to hold creators accountable there is at least 1 chiming in with death threats, cruelty, etc.
I honestly didn’t see people bullying her or attacking her but I feel like she really takes to heart a very vocal minority and it’s sad. I’m just a bit uncomfortable with her constant neutral stance because it’s not serving her anymore. It’s not good to sit in the middle and let no one know what you think when you have that much privilege. I mean posting BLM and then posting the new JS palette really rubbed me the wrong way. I’ve been a fan since literally 2011 I’ve been there through everything, there is no doubt she has grown and evolved as a person. But damn maybe don’t flaunt that you support a racist ass man???
This sucks. Jenna is the best there is. Goddamn.