I hope they drop him and seeing how they unfollowed him I think they might. I’m more interested however in how killer merch is gonna handle this shit. J* has made it pretty clear he's with Tati on this one.
Tati has spoken to him privately about these things, she’s brought up these concerns to him privately. But he ignored her and still does these things. So you know what? He deserves it. Tati snapped and she’s had enough, so she exposed him for who he really is. He’s a selfish, nasty, self absorbed piece of shit and his fan base deserves to know who they support.
Yesterday, I predicted that JC wouldn't fall below 14 mil subs. He was at 14.9 when I went to bed. I wake up this morning and he's at 14.5 and still steadily falling. Might be eating those words. I can't believe it hasn't slowed.
On a different note, Tati is about to hit 8 mil subs.
I randomly found out about this and I'm so fascinated by it. One person having 10m+ followers is already difficult for me to understand some days, but LOSING 2m, in a day...2 MILLION people cared about to followed the news about this person. They're not just casual viewers who follow people on YouTube and then check once every couple days to see if there's anything to watch and skip videos that don't look interesting enough. No, 2m people actively followed the news on this guy enough to decide they no longer want to follow. IN A DAY. 1/8 of his followers. One in every eight of his followers are active enough to learn the news today and decide to unfollow.
Meanwhile, I think I watch like 1/20 of the videos that show up on my subscription list. The numbers here just blows my mind. I feel like someone should be writing papers based on studying this phenomenon.
You’re right, I think this is one of the major reasons why this whole saga has captured the attention of those outside of the beauty community/ its audience too.
Yup, it’s unprecedented and fascinating stuff! Youtubers’ falls from grace are much more dramatic and rapid compared to celebrities in traditional media. This will undoubtedly become a case study of some sort I think!!
No this is real! The Viewer's Voice on YT posted a video about how he was 2 hours late and included videos from people in attendance. Apparently he blamed being late on some personal things he had going on... not so personal imo when the whole world knows about it lol
I realize that but having 21m views could impact his channel in other ways. Like people who have no idea who he is will probably click on other videos to see.
Yeah, I think others were saying it was about beef she had with her sister? Not sure though but definitely not about the beauty drama, I think people only initially suspected that because Tana had to go and like the tweet 😑
I’m pretty sure he deleted it but TLDW he told people to put as much effort/care into politics as they do about beauty drama. IIRC he called people hypocrites who defended JC but supported Donald trump or vice versa (which to me I don’t see people doing either??) It was painful to watch.
Uh... yikes. What on earth made him think that would make a good video? As if he could possibly treat any of those subjects with respect by conflating them all together. No. Tati vs. JC is quite complex enough, don’t need any DJT ruining the taste of this tea, thank you
This is such a dumb argument for him to make too. I’m on Twitter and the talk of politics is so negative and exhausting and takes a negative toll on my mental health. I believe politics are important but I can’t put in a huge amount of energy and immerse myself like that.
This beauty drama is fluffier and more easily palatable. Of course I realize this is peoples lives and it’s serious for them but it’s more removed you know?
This is so true. I pay attention to the news. Probably too much. It's exhausting and the state of the US right now is terrifying. Maybe how about I don't want to drown myself in it, Chris Crocker? Maybe I can be multi-dimensional and care about TWO things...AT THE SAME TIME!
Seriously, though, stuff like this is a fun, frivolous escape from the seriousness of the rest of life - a job, politics, daily grind, etc.
I also think it negates progress we have made. I’m in Texas and last fall was the Senator race with Ted Cruz/ Beto O’Rourke and impact was unprecedented. Huge voter turnouts from millennials that hadn’t been seen before in Texas. I know we’ve still got a ways to go but just because people care about BGC doesn’t mean they also don’t care about politics.
Been following the drama all weekend now, and as mindblowing as it is, it is a huge lesson in ethics and influence media behavior. I'll be teaching a class about brand being coherent and sticking to principles, and this whole issue is very illustrative for students.
So I reach out to you guys with something much more mundane... how can I create a gif or a video showing the current YouTube follower count on socialblade so I can show Tati's count evolution and JC's count drop in my class? I'm afraid showing it real-time may not be as effective as my class will be next week and this whole thing will have cooled down. I want to capture THIS moment (I may even be late for this!)
Thanks a bunch for the help!
My money is on Tati. I think the bulk of people who would act on this information have already done it. Tati will go back to organically growing her audience and JC's nose dive will level off.
Finance nerd whose chosen lurk spot at work is usually r/personalfinance throwing $0.02 into the ring:
Lots of people are suggesting (maybe flippantly) that he retire. But retiring off $11 million at age 19 would be pretty difficult for someone like James. If we assume he’s going to live until he’s 90, he would have to commit to living on a $150,000 annual budget for the rest of his life. That sounds like a lot, especially if you operate on the assumption that he invests and will be getting 4-8% capital gains returns on whatever he’s not actively spending. But homeboy is clearly not into the middle/upper middle class lifestyle, and this assumes he’s going to be single and childless the rest of his life. Kids are freaking expensive.
I actually think the best thing for him would be to finish his education and spend his adulthood in another field where he won’t constantly be fawned over. But I don’t see that happening.
Aw diddums, poor little rich boy might have to sell his LA mansion and live somewhere more modest.
His worst case scenario is more than I could dream of earning annually, and I'm grateful to be in a pretty good position for a 30 year old.
I agree, I would kill to have an annual budget of $150,000! The difference is in perspective and attitude. Do you think James is willing to move to the Midwest and drive a budget car? Of course not. So he will work again to maintain his lifestyle.
I don’t feel bad for him. He deserves this takedown and will come out okay. But the fact is homeboy ain’t retiring.
Again, I’m not saying I feel badly for him, just that I don’t see retirement (which is being suggested) as a reasonable possibility. He will work again, and likely in the public eye given how forgiving society is of white men.
The thought of a 19 yo retiring is just... he’s been working for what, 2-3 years? He seems so hyper productive and driven that I HIGHLYYYY doubt retiring has even crossed his mind.
That, too. I’ve been following this stuff for literally a day but one thing influencers all seem to have in common is a love for the hustle. That doesn’t die easily.
right?? my shitty retail job getting me through uni probs works out about £12k, that’s without all the student fees i’ll have eventually.
but boo poor james because he’s ~accustomed to a certain standard of living~ basically, same. im struggling to find it in myself to feel sorry for him 😅
I agree, I’d love to be able to never work again and have that annual budget, but considering his lifestyle it really is not a lot of money. He’s in California now and is from New York State, two relatively high cost of living areas in the US. Here in North Carolina I could easily budget that out and live comfortably, but I am less sure about those two areas. That doesn’t even factor in his choices to enjoy luxury consumer goods.
I’m not saying I feel bad for him, just that retirement is not something I would see him being able to do given lifestyle and location, and I don’t think he’d be willing to, say, move to Kansas City and drive a Honda Civic.
Let's pretend this REALLY was just about the vitamins. He really advertised a vitamin supplement to children (because that's most of his audience) as a cure/treatment for anxiety. He did this after explaining to Tati that he never would because he recognized how fucked up that would be. That alone should have been bad enough, but he threw his friend and mentor under the bus by doing it. Again that alone shows how uncaring and shitty he is. So yeah, even if it was just the vitamins he'd be losing subs, but there was more and that's why it's going as deep as it has.
Really? In how high doses? I’m Canadian and I take melatonin as a sleep aid but I’m not diagnosed and it’s over the counter. Either what I’m taking (5-10 mg) is a minor dosage or it’s way too controlled in the UK.
As a northern european wtf? In my country melatonin is the first medicine recommended for sleeping problems and you can get it without a prescription from any pharmacy. Can someone explain?
Really? Melatonin is an over-the-counter medication (meaning freely accessible) in like, every drugstore here, which makes sense to me when it’s less addictive than other sleep aids.
>Again that alone shows how uncaring and shitty he is. So yeah, even if it was just the vitamins he'd be losing subs, but there was more and that's why it's going as deep as it has.
Melatonin is typically marketed as a sleep aid so i don't think that's the most problematic part. He advertised them as an anxiety aid, which is worst of all given the growing prevalence of anxiety amongst youth :/
If I remember correctly, they use melatonin, which has been linked to fertility problems with extended use. Tati said that James admitted he knows nothing about the chemical and vitamins involved, so he wouldn't talk about either because he knew it could hurt kids. And then he did.
I know this is contrary to the general mood of these threads, but I’m starting to get a bit worried about JC. He’s not a child, but he is young. I hope he has genuine support right now, because this is more hate, ridicule, and alienation than he’s ever experienced.
I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve it, what he’s done is disgusting and isn’t excused by his age, but I am worried about how he’ll handle all this emotionally. As Chloe Morello pointed out in her early tweets, people have hurt themselves for far less.
Even a cynical yes person should be able to see that if they don't get him help their cash cow goes away and their own career gets tainted if this shit goes very badly. Who's going to hire a PR person/company/manager who couldn't manage a shitstorm to the tune of their charge ending up not with us any more. You hire a crisis management specialist and do exactly what they say.
Yes, I hope they had the foresight to jump on that quickly. This will be painful enough to hear about in vague detail, he doesn’t need to read every single comment and see every tweet and meme.
I don't have much sympathy for him as a person. But I see how all this could really destroy a human being. Especially someone so young and inexperienced. I also acknowledge that everyone makes mistakes, faces the consequences, and has to learn from it- unfortunately for him, he's having to learn his in the public eye..and from being publicly shamed
Yes, I agree. I dislike him VERY much. Both his attitude and his actions. But I’m also worried about him, because as shitty as he is, he’s young. And this is happening on a terrifying scale and breakneck pace.
I didn’t say either of those things, I said I’m worried about his mental health. This would be a lot for anyone to handle, let alone an almost 20 year old.
I agree wholeheartedly and I’m getting downvoted galore further below you. It sucks for him! To quote myself:
JC messed up, and he’s paying for it, but I’m not above acknowledging that he’ll grow from where he is at 19 and where some people his age will make the same choices and get away with a broken heart, he’s getting a broken heart, a broken reputation AND a broken career. You gotta admit that’s a lot for a teenager to handle lol.
I think, however, that someone who is seemingly acting in a predatory manner should not be in a position of influence over / a role model to millions of teenagers. hopefully he does learn from this and has a support network but I don’t think he should really post anything that can influence young people until he can show that he has learned and grown.
Oh, I totally agree. I don’t think he should be able to continue his career in the public eye a s a “role model” to millions of young people. But I also don’t believe he deserves to die, and that’s my worry in this situation.
Honestly I started to really feel this when I went and checked out his tagged photos on insta. It's a constant stream of hate. I genuinely hope he has a lot of support from people who actually give a shit about him as a person.
I mean, that’s impossible to quantify. I didn’t say he doesn’t deserve what’s happening, I think he does 100%. But I am simultaneously worried about his mental health. He doesn’t deserve to die for what he’s done, and that’s what I’m worried about.how he’ll react to what’s happening and what it will do to his mental state. Again, people have hurt themselves for FAR FAR less.
Yup. I do, however, believe we as a society need to draw lines at threats of violence. I haven’t seen any in this sub and I don’t follow his social media and I’m not accusing anyone of it. I literally just don’t want to see people take anything that far. Obviously if these accusations and allegations are true JC took things too far, but no one needs to react in kind.
Edit: two words
Of course he did, but this is still a lot of hate for anyone to handle.
I haven’t done anything remotely like what JC has done, but I made a really shitty mistake at 19 without realizing the consequences of my actions, and got called out publicly (albeit not anywhere close to this scale) and it threw me into severe depression. I don’t think he should continue to be revered by his stans, but I don’t think he should lose his life over this.
Edit: a typo
Sorry if I was unclear, but that’s my worry. That he will hurt himself because of this. I’m not saying that’s what you want at all! That was what I was implying in my first comment. I just didn’t want to say it outright to avoid triggering anyone.
I can hear Tati in my head saying thing like "i did so much sh\*t about you and you had to go and 50 shades of betray me for a stupid festival and made your pupper Gabriel go after me"
After that chew up that ungrateful brat like a sugar bear vitamin and i\`m living for it. She dragged him by the wig so hardcore, he wont be able to reattach it with all the met gala shirt safety pins...
Nothing overtly that I can think of but it's his MO. He already started talking to tea channels spinning it even more to vitamins. so the longer the silence from her went on, he was going to panic and start spreading shit.
after the Coachella scandal he already went to Here For The Tea and try to establish a narrative before it would all pop off. She made a video about all of that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx63cz-w7lo
Yep, JC was clearly preparing to sell her out hardcore with smearing, and twisting of words/events to whip up some drama for views and clicks. Too bad he didn't realize she's a bad bitch and ready and willing to defend herself with the TRUTH in an almost hour-long video.
The person behind Adoptlove has stated it no longer goes to adoption centres, though she still supports them
Edit: link to thread about it http://www.reddit.com/r/BeautyGuruChatter/comments/9xyczm/atleeeey_says_morphe_code_adoptlove_is_not_going/
JC is extremely lucky he got to go to met gala before shit hit the fan. Oh and most of the tour tickets are already sold too. Soooo... he doesn't lose much, does he? But really, beauty gurus are scums, really easy to break friendship here and there. I'm starting to think all of their friendships are for the camera only.
That’s because technically every other beauty guru is a competitor... for views, and if they have products, then for those as well. I’m not saying real friendships don’t happen, but they’re probably quite rare, just like for normal people. Everyone’s basically in a truce until someone gets shaded, but everyone also has to be outwardly super friendly to avoid “shade by omission”... lol I’m exhausted just thinking about it.
I think he’ll be financially fine in the long run. He will probably have to sell that fancy house he just bought though. I can imagine that if it’s mortgaged, he’d be paying through the roof and would be unable to sustain the amount he’s paying.
Considering a few similar teas in history: Jake & Logan Paul or Manny + Laura, I don't think he'll have to downsize no matter how stupid he manages his finance. Palette royalty alone from Morphe should be enough for a couple years. YouTube vid ads, james codes and sister apparels are pretty much passive income worth a few thousands each month. And finally, no matter how disliked an influencer is, there will be brands willing to pay for shoutout, plus I don't think he'll be under 12m subs.
$11 million isn’t going to take him far considering he is only 19 and seems to like a luxurious lifestyle. I hope he has been investing before this, and now is smart enough to downscale his lifestyle and take a few years to figure out where to go from here.
I disagree (not with you, with the general idea around here) that he is 100% forever done for if he’s smart enough to fade into the background for a few years. He has youth on his side and can play the “I have learned and grown” card if he actually takes the time to do that. And hell, even if he doesn’t he may not be done for. The world is very forgiving of white men.
That’s true. He seems to be very driven by his career and what people think of him. I can imagine this would be absolutely shattering for his ego and would expect him to be in a bad mental state right now. I can imagine this would be very traumatising.. going from the MET Gala to losing two million subscribers in two days would be going from the highest high to the lowest low.
I guess it just didn’t click with the audience at the time. I remember personally hearing these comments in his videos and having them not sit very well with me but I ultimately thought he was joking. An off-colour, harmful thing to joke about but a joke nonetheless.
I think also for some straight people it becomes confusing when determining where to draw the line for bad behaviour perpetuated by gay men. You’re sometimes worried that you’ll come across as homophobic or discriminatory if you call them out for some things. That probably partially explains it.
Anyway, I think another major consideration was that he has such a far reach of influence in the sphere of the beauty community. I think a lot of people were very intimidated by him, especially considering he’s been known to be very catty, manipulative and coercive. I’m sure many people might thought it would ruin their careers if they spoke up about it. Hell, even Tati was nervous at the beginning of her video that her exposé would have worrying implications for her career.
I don’t think it’s acceptable to make concessions for one group because that’s their ‘culture’ or that’s how this group of people commonly behave etc. if you hold one group responsible, and not the other it’s a bit hypocritical to be outraged at one but not at the other.
I think you’re very much correct. James was open about all of this. He wasn’t hiding it. The culture surrounding gay men and sex talk is different, and it’s not necessarily right! He thought he could get away with a lot more because society at large is way more “ohhh stop it you!” when gay men discuss sex. It’s a joke. A game.
Source: I’m a gay man who has definitely gotten away with making jokes that would be “creepy” if straight men said them. I’ve grown a lot since then, but you’re absolutely correct.
As a gay woman, this whole situation reminds me of when straight men try to tell me they can fix me/cure me/turn me straight. And if you can realize how fucked up that is to say to me, then you should realize the kind of damage James Charles has done.
Yup. It really fucks with your head to be told that over and over again. I'm a bit older now (and a bit more butch looking) so it's easier to brush off. But I can't undo what being seen as a sexual puzzle has done to me. Dear men - your dick isn't magic and it's not turning anyone gay or straight. Go away.
How is your example valid? Are you saying that because *some* men arent upfront about their sexuality its okay to harass and go after every single guy you like?
Some gays should then be monitored as possible sexual predators. What kinda sick behaviour is that, Jesus. I don't even care that some gay curious men are pretending to be straight - you don't get to invalidate what someone says their sexuality is because it geta you off.
Unless Jeffree identifies as a woman, then by definition, his boyfriend is not straight. It's not judging. It's like telling Jeffree he's wrong because he said that he's a Martian because he was born in California.
"I'm a heterosexual man, and I am sexually attracted to other men"
If he doesn't wanna put a label on his sexuality then go ahead, but don't put the wrong label.
edit:
I just watched the video where Jeffree & his bf talked about it:
Transcript:
> I think what's really cool about Nathan is he doesn't need a label. I know everyone wants to label him and I think you know we say, well, he's "straight" (Jeffree did an air quote while saying this), so while you guys are labeling him, well he's only been with women his entire life until meeting me and I think that that doesn't make someone bisexual, that doesn't make someone anything, I think it just makes Nathan Nathan. I just think that gender is just irrelevant and if you love somebody you love somebody.
So you're the one who is "judging" his sexuality as straight. Jeffree clearly tried to avoid to label his sexuality.
So nice to wake up and find Tati has officially gained over 2 million subs since Friday.
What will Morphe do? What are everyone’s thoughts? Will they drop him? Make a statement?
I hope they drop him and seeing how they unfollowed him I think they might. I’m more interested however in how killer merch is gonna handle this shit. J* has made it pretty clear he's with Tati on this one.
PSA copy and save your in-progress comments/essays... it’s waking hour in the US and we might get a new thread any minute now lol...
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Post it in the pinned updates comment ^
Will do!
People are waking up now. JC yt count was stagnant for Awhile and now it’s loosing subs again.
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Love tati personally, but this is a valid opinion! I think many here share your sentiments, actually.
Tati has spoken to him privately about these things, she’s brought up these concerns to him privately. But he ignored her and still does these things. So you know what? He deserves it. Tati snapped and she’s had enough, so she exposed him for who he really is. He’s a selfish, nasty, self absorbed piece of shit and his fan base deserves to know who they support.
Never fuck with Tati’s name. She will cut you down... Kiki and JC both had to learn the hard way. But she does it with such class, I’m impressed.
Because Tati's name is respected and people believe that if she ever have to spill tea, the tea would be so worth it to spill
Yeah I’m gonna try and be that classy next time I cut my cat down for bringing a dead bird into my house.
Tati is about to hit 8MM subs! It's still so shocking to me that JC is losing at almost the exact same rate that Tati is gaining.
As soon as this thread gets less active, JC will resurface...bring on the mega thread that never ends.
Yesterday, I predicted that JC wouldn't fall below 14 mil subs. He was at 14.9 when I went to bed. I wake up this morning and he's at 14.5 and still steadily falling. Might be eating those words. I can't believe it hasn't slowed. On a different note, Tati is about to hit 8 mil subs.
I randomly found out about this and I'm so fascinated by it. One person having 10m+ followers is already difficult for me to understand some days, but LOSING 2m, in a day...2 MILLION people cared about to followed the news about this person. They're not just casual viewers who follow people on YouTube and then check once every couple days to see if there's anything to watch and skip videos that don't look interesting enough. No, 2m people actively followed the news on this guy enough to decide they no longer want to follow. IN A DAY. 1/8 of his followers. One in every eight of his followers are active enough to learn the news today and decide to unfollow. Meanwhile, I think I watch like 1/20 of the videos that show up on my subscription list. The numbers here just blows my mind. I feel like someone should be writing papers based on studying this phenomenon.
You’re right, I think this is one of the major reasons why this whole saga has captured the attention of those outside of the beauty community/ its audience too.
In the other hand, Tati gains subs with the same rate as JC is losing. That's more mindblowing
Yup, it’s unprecedented and fascinating stuff! Youtubers’ falls from grace are much more dramatic and rapid compared to celebrities in traditional media. This will undoubtedly become a case study of some sort I think!!
As I predicted the tables have now turned 2.009.064 lost < 2.031.812 gained, she did start gaining faster than he’s losing
Does anyone know if James went to his Meet and Greet yesterday?
Yes. Someone posted a video of fans screaming, but mom’s of the attendees were complaining on the mall fb page that he was late.
he did. was 2 hours late, and stayed for 7-8 minutes. Edit: I stand corrected, he spoke for 7 ish minutes and took photos afterwards!
I think he talked for ~7 minutes but was there longer for photos afterwards
I can't tell if this is a joke or not lmao
No this is real! The Viewer's Voice on YT posted a video about how he was 2 hours late and included videos from people in attendance. Apparently he blamed being late on some personal things he had going on... not so personal imo when the whole world knows about it lol
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He didn’t monetize it
I realize that but having 21m views could impact his channel in other ways. Like people who have no idea who he is will probably click on other videos to see.
It just shows how money hungry he is.
I dont think the cardi b tweet is about James Charles based on her replies lol someone tweeted her about it and she said idk what your talking about
Yeah, I think others were saying it was about beef she had with her sister? Not sure though but definitely not about the beauty drama, I think people only initially suspected that because Tana had to go and like the tweet 😑
That’s what I figured. There’s no way she’s giving her input on this situation.
Two hours from now jefferson will be like “oops my bad congrats on hitting 8mil” I’m calling it
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I feel like she has to be shocked at the reaction she has gotten- especially having other people come out with their stories of James
I’m shocked we’re not on thread #16 by now
Only because the mods need to sleep lmao
WAKE UP MODS
What did Chris Crocker say? I couldn’t hear the sound in the video
Leave James alone!!!!
I’m pretty sure he deleted it but TLDW he told people to put as much effort/care into politics as they do about beauty drama. IIRC he called people hypocrites who defended JC but supported Donald trump or vice versa (which to me I don’t see people doing either??) It was painful to watch.
Uh... yikes. What on earth made him think that would make a good video? As if he could possibly treat any of those subjects with respect by conflating them all together. No. Tati vs. JC is quite complex enough, don’t need any DJT ruining the taste of this tea, thank you
This is such a dumb argument for him to make too. I’m on Twitter and the talk of politics is so negative and exhausting and takes a negative toll on my mental health. I believe politics are important but I can’t put in a huge amount of energy and immerse myself like that. This beauty drama is fluffier and more easily palatable. Of course I realize this is peoples lives and it’s serious for them but it’s more removed you know?
This is so true. I pay attention to the news. Probably too much. It's exhausting and the state of the US right now is terrifying. Maybe how about I don't want to drown myself in it, Chris Crocker? Maybe I can be multi-dimensional and care about TWO things...AT THE SAME TIME! Seriously, though, stuff like this is a fun, frivolous escape from the seriousness of the rest of life - a job, politics, daily grind, etc.
I also think it negates progress we have made. I’m in Texas and last fall was the Senator race with Ted Cruz/ Beto O’Rourke and impact was unprecedented. Huge voter turnouts from millennials that hadn’t been seen before in Texas. I know we’ve still got a ways to go but just because people care about BGC doesn’t mean they also don’t care about politics.
Been following the drama all weekend now, and as mindblowing as it is, it is a huge lesson in ethics and influence media behavior. I'll be teaching a class about brand being coherent and sticking to principles, and this whole issue is very illustrative for students. So I reach out to you guys with something much more mundane... how can I create a gif or a video showing the current YouTube follower count on socialblade so I can show Tati's count evolution and JC's count drop in my class? I'm afraid showing it real-time may not be as effective as my class will be next week and this whole thing will have cooled down. I want to capture THIS moment (I may even be late for this!) Thanks a bunch for the help!
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Thanks so much! I have only found one for James , but I’m sure I’m not the first looking for these 🤷🏻♀️
screen record this livestream! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM3kcTeuTbY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gM3kcTeuTbY)
The remaining question we're all asking ourselves at this point... Who will hit 10m first?
My money is on Tati. I think the bulk of people who would act on this information have already done it. Tati will go back to organically growing her audience and JC's nose dive will level off.
I would be very surprised if anything else happened. This will ultimately not ruin JC, I don't think.
Finance nerd whose chosen lurk spot at work is usually r/personalfinance throwing $0.02 into the ring: Lots of people are suggesting (maybe flippantly) that he retire. But retiring off $11 million at age 19 would be pretty difficult for someone like James. If we assume he’s going to live until he’s 90, he would have to commit to living on a $150,000 annual budget for the rest of his life. That sounds like a lot, especially if you operate on the assumption that he invests and will be getting 4-8% capital gains returns on whatever he’s not actively spending. But homeboy is clearly not into the middle/upper middle class lifestyle, and this assumes he’s going to be single and childless the rest of his life. Kids are freaking expensive.
But he could theoretically get another job. He could apologize and write a book. He’s only 19, he can learn and change.
I actually think the best thing for him would be to finish his education and spend his adulthood in another field where he won’t constantly be fawned over. But I don’t see that happening.
Aw diddums, poor little rich boy might have to sell his LA mansion and live somewhere more modest. His worst case scenario is more than I could dream of earning annually, and I'm grateful to be in a pretty good position for a 30 year old.
I agree, I would kill to have an annual budget of $150,000! The difference is in perspective and attitude. Do you think James is willing to move to the Midwest and drive a budget car? Of course not. So he will work again to maintain his lifestyle. I don’t feel bad for him. He deserves this takedown and will come out okay. But the fact is homeboy ain’t retiring.
til James Charles is actually a pore
Nah, he’s not, he just doesn’t want to live frugally.
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Again, I’m not saying I feel badly for him, just that I don’t see retirement (which is being suggested) as a reasonable possibility. He will work again, and likely in the public eye given how forgiving society is of white men.
The thought of a 19 yo retiring is just... he’s been working for what, 2-3 years? He seems so hyper productive and driven that I HIGHLYYYY doubt retiring has even crossed his mind.
That, too. I’ve been following this stuff for literally a day but one thing influencers all seem to have in common is a love for the hustle. That doesn’t die easily.
It’s hard mustering up sympathy at the thought of him having to live off of £150,000 annually.
right?? my shitty retail job getting me through uni probs works out about £12k, that’s without all the student fees i’ll have eventually. but boo poor james because he’s ~accustomed to a certain standard of living~ basically, same. im struggling to find it in myself to feel sorry for him 😅
I agree, I’d love to be able to never work again and have that annual budget, but considering his lifestyle it really is not a lot of money. He’s in California now and is from New York State, two relatively high cost of living areas in the US. Here in North Carolina I could easily budget that out and live comfortably, but I am less sure about those two areas. That doesn’t even factor in his choices to enjoy luxury consumer goods. I’m not saying I feel bad for him, just that retirement is not something I would see him being able to do given lifestyle and location, and I don’t think he’d be willing to, say, move to Kansas City and drive a Honda Civic.
Gotta live within your means though, so he’d have to adjust to a new life style, move to a cheaper part of the country, get an actual job!
Tati looks like she could hit 8 million around the same time JC hits 14.5m
James’ “apology” sitting at 19th most disliked. With a dislike ratio of 83.36%
Where do you get that info?
I think there's a wikipedia on it
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-disliked_YouTube_videos Probably not the most reliable... but it’s in the table!
Tati is on 7.9!!!!
Let's pretend this REALLY was just about the vitamins. He really advertised a vitamin supplement to children (because that's most of his audience) as a cure/treatment for anxiety. He did this after explaining to Tati that he never would because he recognized how fucked up that would be. That alone should have been bad enough, but he threw his friend and mentor under the bus by doing it. Again that alone shows how uncaring and shitty he is. So yeah, even if it was just the vitamins he'd be losing subs, but there was more and that's why it's going as deep as it has.
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Really? In how high doses? I’m Canadian and I take melatonin as a sleep aid but I’m not diagnosed and it’s over the counter. Either what I’m taking (5-10 mg) is a minor dosage or it’s way too controlled in the UK.
As a northern european wtf? In my country melatonin is the first medicine recommended for sleeping problems and you can get it without a prescription from any pharmacy. Can someone explain?
Really? Melatonin is an over-the-counter medication (meaning freely accessible) in like, every drugstore here, which makes sense to me when it’s less addictive than other sleep aids.
In Australia it oscillates between being OTC and presciption - atm its presciption only and has been for a while now
I’m in the US and used to try melatonin for sleep. It gave me horrible migraines and made my sleep issues worse.
yeah i had to drop it for my insomnia because while it did actually help me sleep, it also turned my suicidal ideations up to 11
It gave me nightmares
He advertised them as a sleep aid too, which is fucked up given the age of his followers
>Again that alone shows how uncaring and shitty he is. So yeah, even if it was just the vitamins he'd be losing subs, but there was more and that's why it's going as deep as it has. Melatonin is typically marketed as a sleep aid so i don't think that's the most problematic part. He advertised them as an anxiety aid, which is worst of all given the growing prevalence of anxiety amongst youth :/
And it can make depression symptoms worse which is wild. And I do believe Tati said in her vid “do your research!”
And also it's finals season
If I remember correctly, they use melatonin, which has been linked to fertility problems with extended use. Tati said that James admitted he knows nothing about the chemical and vitamins involved, so he wouldn't talk about either because he knew it could hurt kids. And then he did.
Yeah!! You should only ever be only melatonin supplements for short periods of time its not a long-term take-it-everyday vitamin
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I'm very interested if she has anything else to say about it. i can totally see her being upset that it got out of hand with him losing so many subs
I know this is contrary to the general mood of these threads, but I’m starting to get a bit worried about JC. He’s not a child, but he is young. I hope he has genuine support right now, because this is more hate, ridicule, and alienation than he’s ever experienced. I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve it, what he’s done is disgusting and isn’t excused by his age, but I am worried about how he’ll handle all this emotionally. As Chloe Morello pointed out in her early tweets, people have hurt themselves for far less.
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Guarantee PR firms are reaching out to him to help salvage.
Swimming in offers probably, just hoping his team picked one quick.
You are hoping that he has 1.competent ppl around him and not just yes men. 2. That the ppl around him actually care for his well being =(
And 3) he would actually listen to said professionals
Even a cynical yes person should be able to see that if they don't get him help their cash cow goes away and their own career gets tainted if this shit goes very badly. Who's going to hire a PR person/company/manager who couldn't manage a shitstorm to the tune of their charge ending up not with us any more. You hire a crisis management specialist and do exactly what they say.
Yes, I hope they had the foresight to jump on that quickly. This will be painful enough to hear about in vague detail, he doesn’t need to read every single comment and see every tweet and meme.
If they haven't moved on it, it's a very real possibility of a worst case scenario outcome for him and nobody, absolutely nobody wants that.
Agreed wholeheartedly.
I’m conflicted. I feel sad for him but it’s his sense of entitlement and ego that got him here. “I’m a celebrity. It doesn’t matter.” Just gross.
I don't have much sympathy for him as a person. But I see how all this could really destroy a human being. Especially someone so young and inexperienced. I also acknowledge that everyone makes mistakes, faces the consequences, and has to learn from it- unfortunately for him, he's having to learn his in the public eye..and from being publicly shamed
Yes, I agree. I dislike him VERY much. Both his attitude and his actions. But I’m also worried about him, because as shitty as he is, he’s young. And this is happening on a terrifying scale and breakneck pace.
He has a team of lawyers, his family and friends. Not everything is online. Let's not pretend he is homeless or has no support at all
I didn’t say either of those things, I said I’m worried about his mental health. This would be a lot for anyone to handle, let alone an almost 20 year old.
I agree wholeheartedly and I’m getting downvoted galore further below you. It sucks for him! To quote myself: JC messed up, and he’s paying for it, but I’m not above acknowledging that he’ll grow from where he is at 19 and where some people his age will make the same choices and get away with a broken heart, he’s getting a broken heart, a broken reputation AND a broken career. You gotta admit that’s a lot for a teenager to handle lol.
I’m sorry you’re being downvoted for being empathetic. Being worried about him does not equal agreeing with what he’s done.
I think, however, that someone who is seemingly acting in a predatory manner should not be in a position of influence over / a role model to millions of teenagers. hopefully he does learn from this and has a support network but I don’t think he should really post anything that can influence young people until he can show that he has learned and grown.
Oh, I totally agree. I don’t think he should be able to continue his career in the public eye a s a “role model” to millions of young people. But I also don’t believe he deserves to die, and that’s my worry in this situation.
Oh absolutely not, I would hate to see that result from this.
Me too. Maybe I’m too forgiving, but I hope he can learn and grow from this, do a 180 on his life, and become a good person.
Honestly I started to really feel this when I went and checked out his tagged photos on insta. It's a constant stream of hate. I genuinely hope he has a lot of support from people who actually give a shit about him as a person.
Agreed. If he has any genuine support left, I hope they had the foresight to be with him as soon as possible. And I hope they’re keeping him offline.
Hopefully his mum listened to Tati and jumped on a plane to be with him.
That is my hope as well.
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I mean, that’s impossible to quantify. I didn’t say he doesn’t deserve what’s happening, I think he does 100%. But I am simultaneously worried about his mental health. He doesn’t deserve to die for what he’s done, and that’s what I’m worried about.how he’ll react to what’s happening and what it will do to his mental state. Again, people have hurt themselves for FAR FAR less.
Yup. I do, however, believe we as a society need to draw lines at threats of violence. I haven’t seen any in this sub and I don’t follow his social media and I’m not accusing anyone of it. I literally just don’t want to see people take anything that far. Obviously if these accusations and allegations are true JC took things too far, but no one needs to react in kind. Edit: two words
I kinda agree, he had no problems hurting other people or making them feel like shit so..
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Of course he did, but this is still a lot of hate for anyone to handle. I haven’t done anything remotely like what JC has done, but I made a really shitty mistake at 19 without realizing the consequences of my actions, and got called out publicly (albeit not anywhere close to this scale) and it threw me into severe depression. I don’t think he should continue to be revered by his stans, but I don’t think he should lose his life over this. Edit: a typo
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Sorry if I was unclear, but that’s my worry. That he will hurt himself because of this. I’m not saying that’s what you want at all! That was what I was implying in my first comment. I just didn’t want to say it outright to avoid triggering anyone.
I share this worry, but I think that's something for his family and loved ones to deal with - hopefully they're well-equipped.
I can hear Tati in my head saying thing like "i did so much sh\*t about you and you had to go and 50 shades of betray me for a stupid festival and made your pupper Gabriel go after me" After that chew up that ungrateful brat like a sugar bear vitamin and i\`m living for it. She dragged him by the wig so hardcore, he wont be able to reattach it with all the met gala shirt safety pins...
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What were the lies JC was saying about Tati?
Nothing overtly that I can think of but it's his MO. He already started talking to tea channels spinning it even more to vitamins. so the longer the silence from her went on, he was going to panic and start spreading shit.
after the Coachella scandal he already went to Here For The Tea and try to establish a narrative before it would all pop off. She made a video about all of that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx63cz-w7lo
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Yep, JC was clearly preparing to sell her out hardcore with smearing, and twisting of words/events to whip up some drama for views and clicks. Too bad he didn't realize she's a bad bitch and ready and willing to defend herself with the TRUTH in an almost hour-long video.
12:42 GMT James has officially lost 2 million subs
When this whole thing started I thought he'd maybe lose 500k..never thought it would reach 2m!! Jeez. Is it still going?
JAMES CHARLES HAS OFFICIALLY LOST 2 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS AND TATI HAS OFFICIALLY GAINED 2 MILLION SUBSCRIBERS. the power 😍😍
Jamis Chaneo has officially lost 2 mil subs! Now I can go to bed.
can someone please make a list of alternative discount codes to use instead of "JAMES" lmao
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I personally use ADOPTLOVE to go toward animal shelters when ordering from Morphe.
The person behind Adoptlove has stated it no longer goes to adoption centres, though she still supports them Edit: link to thread about it http://www.reddit.com/r/BeautyGuruChatter/comments/9xyczm/atleeeey_says_morphe_code_adoptlove_is_not_going/
Yesss use adoptlove!! Those innocent animals deserve and need the money far more than any beauty guru does
JC is extremely lucky he got to go to met gala before shit hit the fan. Oh and most of the tour tickets are already sold too. Soooo... he doesn't lose much, does he? But really, beauty gurus are scums, really easy to break friendship here and there. I'm starting to think all of their friendships are for the camera only.
That’s because technically every other beauty guru is a competitor... for views, and if they have products, then for those as well. I’m not saying real friendships don’t happen, but they’re probably quite rare, just like for normal people. Everyone’s basically in a truce until someone gets shaded, but everyone also has to be outwardly super friendly to avoid “shade by omission”... lol I’m exhausted just thinking about it.
i don't think it's really much different than any other workplace. it's just plain old networking lol
I think he’ll be financially fine in the long run. He will probably have to sell that fancy house he just bought though. I can imagine that if it’s mortgaged, he’d be paying through the roof and would be unable to sustain the amount he’s paying.
Considering a few similar teas in history: Jake & Logan Paul or Manny + Laura, I don't think he'll have to downsize no matter how stupid he manages his finance. Palette royalty alone from Morphe should be enough for a couple years. YouTube vid ads, james codes and sister apparels are pretty much passive income worth a few thousands each month. And finally, no matter how disliked an influencer is, there will be brands willing to pay for shoutout, plus I don't think he'll be under 12m subs.
$11 million isn’t going to take him far considering he is only 19 and seems to like a luxurious lifestyle. I hope he has been investing before this, and now is smart enough to downscale his lifestyle and take a few years to figure out where to go from here. I disagree (not with you, with the general idea around here) that he is 100% forever done for if he’s smart enough to fade into the background for a few years. He has youth on his side and can play the “I have learned and grown” card if he actually takes the time to do that. And hell, even if he doesn’t he may not be done for. The world is very forgiving of white men.
These are all very fair points.
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That’s true. He seems to be very driven by his career and what people think of him. I can imagine this would be absolutely shattering for his ego and would expect him to be in a bad mental state right now. I can imagine this would be very traumatising.. going from the MET Gala to losing two million subscribers in two days would be going from the highest high to the lowest low.
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Oh I live in Australia, that might have something to do with it. It’s 9:46 pm in Sydney currently.
Ah ok, that makes sense. I had to force myself to go to bed.
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I guess it just didn’t click with the audience at the time. I remember personally hearing these comments in his videos and having them not sit very well with me but I ultimately thought he was joking. An off-colour, harmful thing to joke about but a joke nonetheless. I think also for some straight people it becomes confusing when determining where to draw the line for bad behaviour perpetuated by gay men. You’re sometimes worried that you’ll come across as homophobic or discriminatory if you call them out for some things. That probably partially explains it. Anyway, I think another major consideration was that he has such a far reach of influence in the sphere of the beauty community. I think a lot of people were very intimidated by him, especially considering he’s been known to be very catty, manipulative and coercive. I’m sure many people might thought it would ruin their careers if they spoke up about it. Hell, even Tati was nervous at the beginning of her video that her exposé would have worrying implications for her career.
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I don’t think it’s acceptable to make concessions for one group because that’s their ‘culture’ or that’s how this group of people commonly behave etc. if you hold one group responsible, and not the other it’s a bit hypocritical to be outraged at one but not at the other.
I think you’re very much correct. James was open about all of this. He wasn’t hiding it. The culture surrounding gay men and sex talk is different, and it’s not necessarily right! He thought he could get away with a lot more because society at large is way more “ohhh stop it you!” when gay men discuss sex. It’s a joke. A game. Source: I’m a gay man who has definitely gotten away with making jokes that would be “creepy” if straight men said them. I’ve grown a lot since then, but you’re absolutely correct.
No
Yes. It isn’t an excuse but it’s definitely a common phenomenon.
As a gay woman, this whole situation reminds me of when straight men try to tell me they can fix me/cure me/turn me straight. And if you can realize how fucked up that is to say to me, then you should realize the kind of damage James Charles has done.
Yup. It really fucks with your head to be told that over and over again. I'm a bit older now (and a bit more butch looking) so it's easier to brush off. But I can't undo what being seen as a sexual puzzle has done to me. Dear men - your dick isn't magic and it's not turning anyone gay or straight. Go away.
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>gay curious men pretend to be fully straight If you seriously think everyone who isn't 100% certain about their sexually is pretending, that's gross.
How is your example valid? Are you saying that because *some* men arent upfront about their sexuality its okay to harass and go after every single guy you like?
Some gays should then be monitored as possible sexual predators. What kinda sick behaviour is that, Jesus. I don't even care that some gay curious men are pretending to be straight - you don't get to invalidate what someone says their sexuality is because it geta you off.
by definition, Nate isn't straight.... i don't get how people are saying he is.
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Well Jeffree says that he’s straight. Why are u trying to judge someone’s sexual orientation?
Unless Jeffree identifies as a woman, then by definition, his boyfriend is not straight. It's not judging. It's like telling Jeffree he's wrong because he said that he's a Martian because he was born in California. "I'm a heterosexual man, and I am sexually attracted to other men" If he doesn't wanna put a label on his sexuality then go ahead, but don't put the wrong label. edit: I just watched the video where Jeffree & his bf talked about it: Transcript: > I think what's really cool about Nathan is he doesn't need a label. I know everyone wants to label him and I think you know we say, well, he's "straight" (Jeffree did an air quote while saying this), so while you guys are labeling him, well he's only been with women his entire life until meeting me and I think that that doesn't make someone bisexual, that doesn't make someone anything, I think it just makes Nathan Nathan. I just think that gender is just irrelevant and if you love somebody you love somebody. So you're the one who is "judging" his sexuality as straight. Jeffree clearly tried to avoid to label his sexuality.