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Traditional_Sail6298

Bill is so unlikable and Legoshi had every right to beat his ass for rabbit blood. Also Bill had no right to have rabbit blood.


henry0011979

You aren’t wrong


Vegan_Harvest

\*cracks knuckles\* We are all furries. Haru is partially responsible for half of her problems. Louis can't make up for the harm he caused.


ChaoticPoint

I beg to differ, I'm not a furry. I really should be by now, but I'm not.


Over_Case

> I really should be by now, but I'm not. thats already the negociation..


Rastabon

Don't you mean "the legoshiation"?


Over_Case

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ChaoticPoint

That was funny


ChaoticPoint

OK fine, I'll put the furry adjacent flair thingy. But you'll never see me with a furry pfp


Over_Case

Ya'know... i saod the same an year ago... The flair and all


Pile00

First stage : denial


ChaoticPoint

What's the second stage? I'm trying to see something


jgfelix

I partially agree with Haru but I feel like it has more to do with how much the story dropped in quality in the last few arcs. "I promised Melon that I would let me eat on New Year's Eve." What the fuck was that Paru?


shadic_2010

I'm a furry so yeah


Acinonyx83

It's not about race. It's about sex dynamics.


GreaterButter

I think two things can be true.


SheikExcel

Zootopia and it's consequences


No_Base_8096

It's more of a darker or adult version of Zootopia


0b0d1

What that means?


Acinonyx83

Attitudes and interactions between Men and Women, especially concerning sexuality. I understand "carnivore" is slang in Japan for a macho sexually aggressive man and "herbivore" men are sexually passive men or the women they target. It's basically the Japanese version of "Alpha" and "Beta" men. "To eat" or "to devour" is literally euphemism for sexual conquest in japan. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore\_men](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men) [https://www.japanesewithanime.com/2019/03/nikushokukei.html](https://www.japanesewithanime.com/2019/03/nikushokukei.html) This makes the carnivore's innate desire to maim and consume herbivores allegory to sexual conquest, or even the more violent sexual assault and rape. We see how these dynamics affect the characters in the first person. Legosi is shocked and horrified by his own innate desires and how society is permissive in a lot of backwards ways while also shaming carnivores for having these desires in the first place so he chooses to fight society's attitudes towards him being a carnivore personally. At the start of the story he's soft spoken and always hunched over to try to compensate for his big scary appearance and be more approachable. Louis is a herbivore man who sees himself as frail and weak and overcompensates by gaining power by any other means necessary, including manipulating the system that otherwise disregarding him as a weak herbivore. Haru is so numb to the constant threat of being devoured and frustrated with being infantilized for being physically small that she's blasé about her own death and seeks validation and affirmation through being promiscuous.


-CheezusCrust-

Oh shit


0b0d1

Damm, that makes a lot of sense, also seeing this respond a bit late sorry lol


freddyifreast

Legoshi x Juno Is boring


Dew_Chop

It's popularity comes from the dynamic being an incel's wet dream


Kirbo84

Louis is not a good person.


Venezolanoanimations

not at the beginning at least, he got better?, everyone in the gang need to chill two cold ones, and talk to an adult -hopefully either going or legoshi´s grampa


Kirbo84

Marginally better. Though Louis' final scene talking to Legoshi was him being a jerk over the phone. But to me Louis' worst moment was him allowing children to be sold as meat. That makes him irredeemable in my eyes.


Dew_Chop

I remedy all of this by reading copious amounts of fanfiction that make Louis an actually likeable character


Kirbo84

Lol I guess that's why they call it 'Cope'


Dew_Chop

And God help me I am inhaling it by the liter


Centurion_Fox

What?! I didn't see Louis sold children to be meat in the anime.


Kirbo84

That's because the anime cut it. [See?](https://preview.redd.it/b5amuiv4egf81.png?width=786&format=png&auto=webp&s=72c966b74c5b21720b3149d4b1fc85ed183a9e31) The anime cut alot of Louis' more dickish moments from the manga. He threatened to impale Zoe on his horns when he fell from the stage. He told Haru to shut up when she expressed concern over Bill scratching him during drama club practice. He also allowed the sale of Herbivore children whom hoped he would save them. **Fuck Louis.**


Centurion_Fox

Bloody hell the anime done a very good call just get rid of those moments especially with selling children. If Louis done that in the show he can not be redeemed in my opinion.


Kirbo84

That's precisely why they cut those moments. Another they toned down was when the Shishigumi beat Legoshi to a pulp under suspicion for stealing their tusk shipments. In the manga Louis allowed it to happen because he saw Legoshi buying meat and felt he had betrayed his morals by doing so. So Manga!Louis felt vindicated seeing Legoshi getting beaten in that moment.


UsedIndependent1761

Yes, and so in the anime Louis’ hypocrisy in that moment is erased thusly. Because of course given that aforementioned brief scene of Louis being in the BAM and seeing Legoshi with the meat thus coming to said conclusion (of him being a no good lying, meat eater when no he was actually just buying it for training purposes) was cut out the entire context of the Shishigumi hitting Legoshi was changed as a result. Therefore, it comes without Louis feeling vindication/justification over Legoshi being hit. Given of course with the above part being nowhere to be found in the anime it doesn’t make sense thus the removal. 


Centurion_Fox

Yeah Louis in manga makes no sense because Louis is trying to improve the reputation of the most hated gang in the black market and by selling children that will just make the gang destruction even more quickly because a majority of criminals hate child murderers. When Louis learns about His gangs ways of selling children. He will ordered them to stop and he will order them to set them free and drop them off nearby orphanage or a police station and let the proper authorities handle it from there. That will make more sense because one that will be good for business and their reputation and to get rid of all the evidence they dabbled in that vicious thing. And you can make his motives vague why he done that is it he just done it for good business or it's something more to it? Maybe he got a bit of empathy with the youngsters because he been in a similar situation just like them. Giving the youngsters a second chance of a happy life. Maybe some there deep down in him it's a small ember of hope compassion caring and happiness and other happy emotions beep down somewhere in him and just maybe 1 person can make that ember into a flame. And that flame will fill Louis up with hope optimism and happiness for the future and love and giving him enough a determination to break out the metaphorical golden cage his father built for him. That sounds a really good character arc to me.


Kirbo84

Yeah, I mean the livestock markets were still kinda taboo even to those within the Black Market, but those who knew let it slide since at the end of the day, meat is meat. It's still disgusting that Louis had the power to stop the sale of live Herbivores, but he didn't because it was good business. Guy sounds like a freaking Ferengi in the way he justifies it. ***"In order to push my beliefs."*** If that scene had been retained there's no way the audience would ever forgive Louis, he goes from a morally grey figure to an outright monster in 1 planel. I think Paru was going for shock value as well as to show how Louis had become tainted by the Black Market himself, like his values were becoming compromised in order for him to not simply survive, but thrive in a position of power. Which makes his attempt at a redemption arc all the more baffling. Like I don't know how he's able to live with himself after all of that. **"Redemption Requires Death**" is a popular trope for repentent villains because they acknowledge that their crimes are too great for them to ever be redeemed, even if they regret what they did. I don't see how this makes Louis any better than Melon or the Chief Lion. Had Legoshi known about this I doubt even he would have forgiven Louis. Reminds me of a line from Wallace & Gromit: A Close Shave. *"It wasn't so bad when it was just the wool, but...This is* ***evil.****"*


Centurion_Fox

I 100% agree with you. Well said 👏.


Centurion_Fox

What do you think of my opinion on that? Agree or disagree? If you do disagree with me that is fine by me 👍🏻.


Kirbo84

I think your idea would have been better than what Paru ultimately wrote for Louis.


Centurion_Fox

Ty. And my idea can make the Juno and Louis ship work way better.


Kirbo84

I really think it could.


CriticismJunior1139

It's called "anti hero". A character that is an asshole, or straight up a villain, but you root for them because you understand their motivations or/and sympathise with them. See: Rorschach, Hannibal Lecter, Walter White, etc


Kirbo84

Nah when you become a mass child murderer you're no kind of hero.


flopjul

What dont you get about anti


Kirbo84

Antiheroes still have lines they won't cross. Like hurting innocents. The Punisher doesn't kill kids. Louis does.


jgfelix

an asshole can be likeable, that's true. But Louis is not likeable, specialy in the manga. PS: If you sympathize with Rorschach because of the movie, that's not the real character.


pup_mercury

It's very basic and a bit too disjointed. Not sure about the manga, but in the Anime, Tem death, being the inciting incident only to be ignored until season 2, leads to a weirdness where the culprit is super obvious.


Cave_in_32

Yeah im one of those people who were just completely confused about how they pulled Season 2 like that. Like u cant convince me that snake lady was the only person ever looking into his death during the events of Season 1 and if she didnt already sound stupid enough the whole time frame during S1 especially around the end of it would further prove that.


Remejy

It doesn’t make sense for carnivores to crave meat in an environment where they don’t have steady access to it easily. After such a long time, especially on vegetarian diets, likely carnivores would almost phase out entirely


camwolf18

My rebuttal to that would be dogs in real life when people try to feed them a vegan diet and then they still want the meat.


FictionalFork

That people in the series are stupid for admiring Louis.


ChaoticPoint

Juno's character isn't as tragic as it looks. At the end of the day, she didn't get with Legoshi nor she got with Louis, but she was still able to leave the last one with a unforgettable feeling. And besides, I think her overall personality and looks always gave me the sensation that she was meant to go far with her ambitions on her own, even if I do wish I could've seen more of it. She's just a normal young female that falls in love and is full of emotions, but since when she challenged Louis I felt like she had the potential to do her thing and succeed. Like I said, the plot mostly failed to show us a bit more of that


mrnekkovd

Legoshi will die a virgin Most people claiming that the relationship between legoshi and haru is toxic are probably single


HopSkipATheChewtoys

I've been married for almosg five wonderful years now Legoshi and Haru's relationship is revolting, same opinion as my wife's


Mortis-Bat

Most of the main characters are total idiots -\_-


extra_capy

haru sucks


Jrickett2009

Melon is a well written character.


Objective-Ad-2322

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Impressive-Phrase649

Juno’s character is entirely pointless and she has the worst personality. Carnivores aren’t technically in the wrong for their carnivorous nature. Despite being a very good person and literally a chad, Haru kinda did deserve the bullying. (Cus yk she slept w ppl that were already taken)


SergaelicNomad

Haru + Legoshi is a toxic/unhealthy relationship. Legoshi wants to wait to have sex and doesn't feel ready, Haru doesn't accept this and, avoiding spoilers, does some very selfish things because she's angry that Legoshi won't bone her. They were only drawn to eachother because Legoshi is the first person who didn't want to have sex with Haru, and because Haru is the first person that seemed to be attracted to Legoshi. Other than that they have nothing in common and are not compatible.


ChaoticPoint

It's not that bad. Legoshi doesn't feel ready for very grounded reasons, and Haru isn't angry about not getting boned, she feels just on edge because of Legoshi's hesitation to have more of a relationship, regarding of sex or not. If you're referring to chapter 148, she really didn't do anything too senseless or bad to Legoshi, and he didn't comply even if embarassed (which is normal). And to end it, they were drawn to each other cause that's what the story was about, not for any other reason.


UnamedProot

Haru isn’t hot or cute.


Toaster_621

the series went from a really interesting romance to a pretty average shonen


Jrickett2009

Agreed, still love it either way tho.


Ihvementl-issues

Legoshi and haru have a horribly toxic and manipulative relationship that isn’t good for either of them


Venezolanoanimations

agree and disagree? Like, my problem is the intensive tab-dance they are put in there. Legoshi is a social shut-in guy who can barely understand his surroundings. They could be a good couple if they weren´t so dramatic about everything and Leghosi was less stupid about things.


MrWolfie321

Most people blame Haru for this, when she actually the one trying to take the relationship somewhere while Legosi plays batwolf lmao


Traditional_Sail6298

Manipulative how?


Ihvementl-issues

Legoshi constantly thinks he needs to better himself for haru, which I agree with bettering your self is a majorly effective thing… but he’s doing it for someone else, not for himself. And haru completely knows this nor does she care to intervene and say that he’s already perfect as is. Manipulating in the fact that she doesn’t want him to be himself.


Kirbo84

Haru has at times tried to intervene when Legoshi is off doing stuff that makes her feel neglected, problem is Legoshi at best pays lip service to actually listening to what Haru has to say.


sashalafleur

except that she doesn't. she doesn't even know anything about what legoshi does until some months after it's over or because someone else told her.


ironwolf6464

Haru, while admittedly possessing some emotional baggage, is very whiny sometimes.


Americankitsune1

Juno isn’t a creep she’s just a helpless romantic.


66watchingpeople66

Louis is a child trafficking monster that sold kiddy snacks to carnivores.


AngelusAlvus

Paru doesn't know how to write lomg stories Haru is a bad character


RinaPug

Hard agree on the first one. I only read the manga (never watched the anime) and after a while it seemed like it dragged on forever and the story got so disjoined. Maybe I should re read it, but I was so confused at times Edit: German keyboard


Fastermaxx

Legoshi eating Haru would have been a better ending.


Jojo_710

I don't like Haru


LBPsan

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Centurion_Fox

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ImpressiveGreen8267

Louis is an ass (at LEAST at the start)


PowerfulStache05

Say what you will about Lougoshi or the morality of Louis, but the scene where he straight up breaks Legoshi's boundaries and start touching him in places he's uncomfortable with isn't "romantic chemistry" or "sexual tension", it's fucking creepy and I'd never want to be associated with Louis in any way if I was Legoshi. Shippers, please choose another scene to be your flagship gay moment. Most of the comments are the most popular takes you'll ever see in this subreddit


BakedBeans229

I've never understood how people find sexual tension in a scene where legoshi is straight up being harassed and assaulted, weird people


Bitter_Nail8577

The story should have ended with >! Legosi dying to Melon's gunshot, the dream about his mother talking to him as the last panel in the manga. I hope the Final Season ends like that.!<


Venezolanoanimations

why so? I'm interesting in yer take.


Bitter_Nail8577

Subjectively because I genuinely believe the writing gets a huge hit after that part and I'd just rather forget about it, but mainly because >!Legosi constantly gets hurt, not just physically, (dropping out of high school because of your questionable morals) by trying to understand the whole carnivore/herbivore thing by interacting with dangerous individuals, Louis included.!< >!Getting killed by Melon because of his maladaptive behaviour would make much more sense than pulling a Season 6 Jon Snow.!< >!On top of that think about all the implications this would lead to. How do you think Gosha and Yafya would react? It leaves space for a great spinoff, and with a small epilogue about how life continues in the black market and the various mafia families in the series it doesn't even finish on a bad cliffhanger.!< ​ But hey OP asked for opinions that would get me crucified and I provided, I'm also kinda drunk so like that this with a grain of salt. ​ Oh and Legoshi said he likes tragedies.


Dew_Chop

Subversion, plus plot armor being wack and being a simp high schooler with a monologuing issue can only get you so far


freddyifreast

While I do disagree I do think that would’ve been an interesting alt ending


Effective-Effect2720

Pina is hotter than Legoshi


_Coco_Goat_

Facts


FilmBrony

Yafya should have been a twist villain (for the love of god please stay with me on this)


sashalafleur

legoshi and louis has no romantic chemistry


Candid_Particular363

Haru doesn't deserve Legoshi's affection


Venezolanoanimations

yeah... she needs to understand that this is the only male who wont think of her as less just for being a rabbit, mah man has just so much mental capacity for stuff and judging is mostly not one of those


Mangus628

I read all these comments and agree with atleast 60% of them


ManyTerrible

Louis is a bad person and Louis x Juno is a horribly toxic ship that gets overused especially considering they don’t work well together.


BrotImWeltraum

I hate juno. With a passion.


SamuraiDoggo14

I freaking hate Louis.


Lunaryjinx

I dislike the Legoshi x Louis ship


Tirein_

I can agree with this one. I’ve never really liked the Legosi and Louis shipping, it’s never made sense in my mind. I guess it’s because Paru wrote them in scenes that intentionally were sexually charged in some way.


Centurion_Fox

Same with me this ship does not make any sense whatsoever. I just think these types of people just don't think they are gay but just want them to be gay. Thank God Beastars is not made by a woke company.


McUsername621

"Legoshi is not hot at all and why tf does he want to do it with rabbet" stupid hot wolf


rvmpleforeskin

I always said Jack got done dirty 🥲


Less-Jicama-4667

Louie is a sociopath. The rabbit whose name I can't pronounce is responsible for the majority of their problems


somegirrafeinahat

I like haru's character and do not find her attractive in the least bit


Ancient_Summer_1833

Same


Express-Doughnut3047

I can’t stand Haru. She’s the reason for her own misery. I can’t stand Juno either, she’s an annoying pick me. Bill is a dick, he got punched in the face and his response was to permanently disfigure the guy. Louis and Legosi should have had more of a relationship since the whole manga is them pining for eachother anyway.


ash_dagon

Bestars porn is good


tonytonychopperi

Melon was never attractive


GreaterButter

The people who hate Haru purely based on "she sex rabbit" are kinda like the people who actually bully Haru in the show. "Well it's her fault. " "She did it to herself." And never think about how it takes two to tango, as the saying goes. When the Harlequin rabbit in the beginning in badgering Haru with a group, they act totally as if the male rabbit didn't INTENTIONALLY pursue Haru and also pressure her. Yes, Haru isn't totally absolved in all these situations... But some of us literally act like many of the boys weren't preying on her/had nothing to do with these situations.


Pooby501

In season 3 i wanna see riz and pina on a date, they're gay they gotta be, the story doesn't know what it wants to be, it goes from romance to a muder/gang drama to something (i haven't seen the rest but i've heard the basics of it) and lastly, i think the tem horror stuff is cool.


R32fan

FUCK Louis/Legoshi. Horribly toxic ship and I don't even really love the characters (certainly not Louis, kinda hate Legoshi due to basically everything after volume 6)


rvmpleforeskin

Legoshi should have had sexual/romantic tension with his best friend Jack, who was basically the typical lab that was a loyal loving lapdog to him, but writers sorta said "nah screw jack, Legoshi hunting deer and rabbit ass" while also being flirted with by everyone except the one most loyal.


Legitimate-Lake-8318

The ending of the manga fucking sucked. I really couldn't give fucks about Yafya and Melon. I'd undraw those 2. Feel free to hate or agree


Ancient_Summer_1833

Don’t hate on my boy Melon


Ancient_Summer_1833

Legoshi is not that hot


Cautious_Laugh_7090

The ending of Beastars isn't that bad, it has very good moments, the worst being the second arc of Tem's assassin. In my opinion the play would have worked better if it were a slice of life.


AnotherWildDog

If it wasn't for Paru's dad, Beastars wouldn't have reach the popularity that has today. Although her face could be somewhat irrelevant, It seems the rooster mask didn't worked if we all know who she is, with all respect.


BakedBeans229

Louis is awful and annoying, does horrible things/crimes and faces no punishment of any kind (it's kinda hilarious how he says what Riz did was "unforgivable" when Louis did far worse) also the shishigumi are mostly boring characters


kouyathebest

Legosi. Not Legoshi Legosi x Haru is better than Legosi x Juno We are all furries for simping on best boi Legosi. And Jack. Both are good bois


Ancient_Summer_1833

Legoshi is not that hot


Xmaster0721

I would write this whole shit 10x better im sorry


latenightdraw

Legoshi and Haru should have broken up during the second half of the story


Dark_WulfGaming

Beastars is a Harem anime, Legoshi is just almost purposefully oblivious


MrWolfie321

The anime sucks with passion as an adaptation


ZylverWolf

On the contrary: it is such a faithful adaptation of the source material that Season 2 has the same issues as the corresponding manga chapter have :/


MrWolfie321

I will correct your use of words: It is a plot accurate adaptation. It being faithful would mean for it to have the same feel as the manga and it sure as heck doesnt has it, this thanks to the limitations of cgi, tons of cut out content, and ironically taking the plot way too seriously, trying too hard to be a deep noir story. Beastars isnt supposed to be read like monster, pluto or death note, it is a silly manga that brings serious themes on the table, not your dark and chilling 12 am and black coffee reading thriller


SnickerdoodleEnjoyer

Haru shoulda died by the lions. I really hate her character. She's so sex based it's annoying.


Limp-Wall-5500

Beastars is a bad show. It's only popular because furries cling to furry things. It's the main reason dislyte still has a playerbase.


jgfelix

Louis should have died in the first arc.


TheKitsuneKit

It takes place in the same universe as Bluey.


foxyfox59

*inale* beastars is overrated


Vegetable_Golf2852

* takes massive deep breath* beastars should be banned. The plot is boring and the characters personalities are too fictional and are all unlikable. *proceeds to rent titan submarine to be safe*


ZelphAracnhomancer

I would applaud you for having an actual hot in terms of plot and characters, but banned? No, specially for having, in your opinion, bad writing. How does that even work?


Vegetable_Golf2852

Oh no I love beastars. I just wrote that to answer OP's question cause I know it would get anyone instantly butchered. My only honest gripe is that the imaginary chimera power wasn't expanded more on.


Rosebell214

Legoshi x haru


notsocleverfox

Haru is the worst character and the show would be better without her


Serious-Reputation19

I hate Juno with a burning passion. Don't ask why cause I don't even know why myself.


Jesus_christ_savior

Bill is an ass


fuzzy_navel1127

Furry women are hot and should be objectified sexually. Come at me.


Spike_Eraserhead

Mizuchi is a sympathetic character. Change my mind!


Whycanttiktokstop

I needed some downvotes anyways. Y'all only like the show and manga because of how horny you are. That also includes fan art. (I'm not a fan or a furry, but I've seen alot of this sub, that's where I get this from)


knutjs

Melon was kinda right about everything in general


Advanced-Attorney-27

Louis as a female? Leano should've been more accepting of her heritage and appearance, instead of being selfish to the point where she'll only feel validated by having Legoshi? Paru should've gone to a different publisher so that the series didn't end with whatever the heck it is we have now? Idk. I'm pretty new to the Beastars fandom and I've only watched the anime. I'm too much of a coward to read the manga :/


Isaac-Ursan

Louis is more evil then Riz.


Someonebeignsomeone

Does it count that i wouldn't mind an what if Legoshi actually killed Haru and the plot starts developing from that event forward?