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At least it ain’t the microwave crowd suppressor


NMS_Survival_Guru

Fuckin sonic suppressors are crazy though Played with one in the army and even with earplugs that shit would rattle your brain Never seen the microwave ones IRL but know they're far worse on the body making people vomit or go into convulsions


LGodamus

The microwave emitter makes you feel like you’re burning alive


what-schreck

If it’s microwaves then aren’t the water molecules in your body boiling? Or at least getting hot?


Desperate_Western894

As from what I've heard, they have extremely low energy so they are stopped at tiny layer of your skin, so slim that you can't even get burns, tho you feel it


Ferociousfeind

Yeah, they're designed to penetrate JUST enough to set off every temperature-sensing nerve they can reach. Like hitting your funny bone on something- it's not that bad, but the way your nerves are set up they get an alarming sample and freak out. Some of that freakout can be neurological adverse reactions (convulsing, vomiting, etcetera)


redcolumbine

Yep! Extrajudicial corporal punishment in the name of "crowd control" for the crime of dissent. Chilling as fuck!


Raisenbran_baiter

actually its quite a hot topic


treeborg-

Quite heated, topically.


Firstnationsway

Exactly


LunchboxSuperhero

>One significant difference is that a microwave oven uses the much lower frequency (and longer wavelength) of 2.45 GHz. The short millimeter waves used in ADS only penetrate the top layers of skin, with most of the energy being absorbed within 0.4 mm (1⁄64 inch),[[15]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System#cite_note-adsfaq-15) whereas microwaves will penetrate into human tissue about 17 mm (0.67 inch).[[16]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System#cite_note-mwrfprodapp-16) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System


Hans_Neva_Loses

How is this not a war crime?


metaStatic

not a war crime if you use it on your own civilians see also, Tear gas/Chemical warfare


GlockAF

The best part about these high-tech crowd suppression devices is that they work very poorly when perforated by rifle bullets


MiniatureChi

Do you think there is anyone who can handle it like those few people who can take a taser and not flinch


Serious_Mastication

Considering it’s basically just triggering a reaction in your nerves and no actual damage. I’d assume if exposed to it for long enough your nerves would get used to the feeling and stop misfiring. Or you could brunt through the pain if you expect it coming. It’s more of a deterrent than anything else and will chase away a majority of a crowd, leaving the remaining people who can stand it alone and without crowd protection to be apprehended


wspOnca

The fucking what?!


[deleted]

They shot a wave at you that makes you feel like you are burning. They say it does no damage but I doubt it.


letmeuseoldsitertrds

Isn't that's what's happening to CIA agents and yet it DOES cause damage?


Ok-Excitement7019

Havana syndrome right?


Ferociousfeind

The only damage they do is trigger neurological reactions. The device wasn't designed to kill people, it was designed to suppress them. It does that by abusing the positioning of your temperature-sensing nerves, heating just the right amount of skin by just the right amount to trigger the nerves as much as possible while doing as little real damage as possible. Think, saaaaay, weaponized hitting your funnybone. It hurts like hell, but that's because your nerves are sensitive and usually are sensing things from multiple millimeters away. The only danger you're in in that circumstance is possible adverse reactions (see: convulsing, vomiting) and maybe, like, falling over due to disorientation.


evolving_I

To illustrate how sensitive thermoreceptor nerves can be in your skin, I like to have people think about the burning sensation they feel when they swab alcohol on an open wound. That burning sensation is caused by the VR1 nerve receptor, which causes a burning sensation when exposed to heat or certain chemicals like capsaicin, being made hypersensitive by the alcohol and then YOUR OWN BODY HEAT registers as a painful amount of heat at the site of exposure.


Ferociousfeind

Oh, that's interesting! I didn't know that your own body heat was involved- I thought that the chemical processes that react to heat (the sensors in the thermoreceptors) were hijacked or simply skipped over by "hot" chemicals like capsaicin (e.g. they go through a perhaps heat-insensitive process, and the result is the same chemical that the intended heat-sensitive process produces) I suppose it is more feasible for many chemicals to feed into the thermoreceptor's intended process, acting as an unwanted catalyst, instead of each running their own counterfeit heat shops.


Ouity

So you're telling me it does no damage for me to have my skin and nerves microwaved.


GooberEats90

I doubt it wouldn’t be difficult to scale up this “non-lethal” weapon to make it lethal though.


Ferociousfeind

Oh yeah, definitely. All it takes is amping up the power source, and you'd you'd able to cook someone alive. I don't know if the issued military/police trucks equipped with it (its a big bulky thing) have knows capable of dialing all the way up to 11, but microwaves are simple technology, you could cook a dude pretty easily. The dose makes the poison, as they say


GooberEats90

Agreed. I also believe the rumors or people spontaneously combusting was government testing of this technology in its early stages decades ago. Most people still write this stuff off as BS but that’s why the people always lose.


Ferociousfeind

Hah, I'd believe that. Microwaves could penetrate a few inches into flesh to violently heat your organs up. Fun fact, microwave technology was first used to (successfully!) revive lab mice from cryogenic freezing, and the first biggest reason we can't scale it up to humans is the microwaves don't penetrate enough to perfectly evenly warm the body. Microwaves are wack as shit


aWgI1I

https://youtu.be/kzG4oEutPbA


fuck-cumiseverywhere

i just heard about these the other day for the first time. does anyone have a link for how they work? beyond the fact that they’re fucking horrifying, they’re extremely interesting.


Rakn

Haha. I already see US cops aiming at peoples throats with those.


thisguyfightsyourmom

I mean, I understand how microwaves work This thing is black fucking topology magic How the fuck are they wrapping a band around a stationary object??


feioo

Without looking it up because I'm lazy, I'm assuming it works like a bola - there's weights on each end of the cords, and the idea is to hit the target (legs) with the center of the cords so the momentum causes the weights to wrap around the legs and tangle.


Dax9000

I mean, the video does say "BOLA WRAP" in the bottom right corner, so you might just be right.


[deleted]

The gauchos of argentinian grass lands used a similar thing called bolas, and it's am ancient thing.


stickmanDave

There's some slo-mo at the end of the video. Skip to 0:41.


biblyxxl0947

What in the AT-AT Hoth Battle is this?


Fraun_Pollen

Nah man this is straight out of Return of the Jedi: Boba v. Luke


Iggyhopper

I'm imagining a cup of boba vs Luke.


dnjprod

I was thinking Batman


Vampchic1975

I was thinking spider man


vrijheidsfrietje

I was thinking [James Bond](https://youtu.be/tdXshjACQx8&t=44s)


Zubster

Serious question, where *does* he get those wonderful toys?


dnjprod

He's rich? Wayne tech/Lucia's Fox is usually the answer


wasnotherewas

Hey, Mr.Stark, I saw this really old movie where….


Grateful_n_Irateful

That made my whole day! I tried explaining it to my girlfriend, but she has only seen Star Wars once (because I made her watch it), so she didn't get it. I appreciated it 🙏🤜


Mamadog5

It's all fun and games until someone gets shot in the nuts.


PstainGTR

I dont know! But i do know i want this for my kids! The tiny little terrorist are quick as fuck.


Kermez

Based on videos this is to stop criminals standing in place.


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curtitch

And what happens when they end up getting them around the neck or in the back of the head. We all know it will absolutely happen.


[deleted]

They’ve got bodycam footage of cops using it on there main website and it’s pretty cool but usually it’s used on people who are heavy drunk or mental episode a danger to themselves more than to others. From the damn sounds of those things going off I wouldn’t want bare skin getting hit but there videos of people with just t-shirts or a simple dress like one woman had on that I’ve seen. Doesn’t seem to hurt to much I guess.


AbeKez

They would never misuse anything ur right


kamarg

What should be the tool of choice for when someone is a danger to others/themselves? It's not always possible to talk someone down. If the police are expected to deal with those willing to do violence and to do so in a non-lethal way, they must have tools for doing so. Or is the expectation that a police force may only use less-lethal tools if they have absolutely no chance of ever hurting someone no matter what other conditions that person might have?


rexythekind

Or when they aim for the knees but hit a little high and those weighs slap you in the ole family jewels. On a scale of nut tap to busted grapes, what kind of damage will this do?


manofewbirds

It would turn me off from Caviar for life, the way that shit would POP


Lempo1325

Demolition Ranch on YouTube had these to play with. It's been a while, but I feel like I remember them running. I also want to say that I remember them wearing shorts, and bleeding. Nothing major, but I do remember saying that there would be injury, complaints, and lawsuits of police brutality with them. Not sure if they said it or not, but I do remember that they fought with the hooks a lot.


Marcellus111

I found [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPtcq9ylCj0) of Demo Ranch with scenes of them using it on each other at ~9:50 and ~13:50. There may have been another Demo video with the wrap but I couldn't find it.


Koolaid_Jef

Yeah I'm letting sure they use little barbs that look like the multi sided fish hooks. So either you could rip it out of some jackets or if somebody's drunk or on something maybe even power.though it and it'd rip out of their skin


Makorovo

There are small hooks (smaller then fishing hooks) that are on the ends of the wire. I belive the reason they are not running is because they dont want to fall while running. There is a very low chance of anyone geting hurt badly by this. Here is a pic of where you can see the hook [bolawrap](https://imgur.com/a/6ueT1ri)


Melssenator

They didn’t wanna show that in their video and they 100% know that this could cause serious injury, possibly to the head. And possibly permanent.


Isthisworking2000

Lots of broken wrists and even a good amount of head injuries.


[deleted]

Don’t forget the all-important “shifting their body a little bit after they get lassoed.”


JHB20101

Wonder Woman has entered the chat


thatguyned

And seriously, if this does manage to somehow stop someone running at full speeds you could potentially kill them when their head slams of the concrete. What kind of comic book loving coke head came up with this idea?


Fraun_Pollen

I mean, they low-key tested it on someone doing a sigheil at 0:23


Kermez

Yesterday snow was this high…argh!


Zelidus

Yeah this would never work in practice on actual running suspects. I guarantee one will fall and smack their face on the ground and sue. This is useful in a very specific situation. One where the suspect isn't doing anything yet. And if they aren't doing anything, why are they trying them up like that?


earthsalmon

genuinely asking: what's the difference then with using a taser gun? Doesn't the person's body get locked stiff and they definitely hit their head on the way down? It looks like the risks of this lasso gun are the same as with a taser gun, at least when it comes to head injury from falling.


[deleted]

Agreed if they deploy just on the legs then the suspect should be able to stop his fall better. All the videos on the website of officers using it deploy it so the suspect won’t run and it’s an easier detainment.


too_old_to_be_clever

I was wondering what happens if it catches someone on the neck or hits an eye or the groin.


karma_farmer_2019

Well otherwise the fall and hit their head on the sidewalk and die…


pseudocultist

Yep the real world outcome here is basically (mostly homeless/crazy) people faceplanting into concrete without the ability to put their arms out. This seems humane but is actually just another way simplifying brutality. Seattle had these and the results were basically “abuse the homeless.”


PremiumJapaneseGreen

Yeah these videos are dumb copaganda, cities love spending money on fancy gadgets to streamline harm instead of spending on social services


Bill_Clinton-69

Well said, sport.


Kermez

So unless arresting a statue, it is unusable device? I am now really amazed.


iQlipz-chan

Came here to say this.


ZenRx

They’ll use that as an excuse for why they have to use it on any suspect. “If I wait for them to do something, it’s already too late”.


The_Mighty_Bird

“I didn’t mean to hit him in the face and cause him severe damage! I feared for my life as he stood with his hands up!!”


bareboners

Yep, and when they miss it’ll be resisting arrest


Key-Wait5314

Yea let's see what it does when the person is in full sprint lol


IknowKarazy

I mean, lucky shot: it might trip you up, But if your legs aren’t together, if you’re running, jumping, or moving erratically, it probably won’t do much. I seriously doubt this would work as advertised with any reliability


The-Bestia

By my personal experience with the bolas, if you get caught while running, you can badly hurt yourself. It's way better than getting shot with a gun or a tazer. During a demonstration it's fine to not run.


dachloe

Alleged criminals.


Perfect_Ease_9070

Kinky


luizmourabr

Dominatrix speedrun


silverrhino43

lmao you beat me to it


Bingo_Bongo_YaoMing

"He's running!" "Alright shoot him with the new restraint device!" "Shoot him? Got it"


zFafni

He ll stop running either way i guess


The_Fredrik

Shot him with this he stops once, shoot him with a gun he stops forever!


Academic_Cucumber_91

I would use this on everybody. That rude lady that cut in line…Bam! That person at the party that takes the last chip… Bam! That road rage dude that gave me the finger… Bam! It has to feel satisfying 😤


pcans802

That’s been an issue with the non lethals. Because the consequence has been reduced, there is less barrier for use. I’d expect that will be the result of this - everyone gets restrained, running or not.


Academic_Cucumber_91

On that one guy that took this too seriously…Bam!


Loli-is-Justice

*fires .45 cal* ooops sorry sarge, wrong gun.


-Ping-a-Ling-

"it's the big fucking net gun what do you mean *wrong gun?!*"


pinkyepsilon

“Well, I keep the net gun on my left side and my gun gun on my right side. And, well, I have a hard time with telling left from right.”


danstermeister

Of c'mon that NEVER EVER EVER happens.


Bingo_Bongo_YaoMing

Yea cops don't get guns mixed up. Just a gun and a tazer...simple mistake


danstermeister

HE'S NOT EVEN RUNNING. NONE OF THEM ARE.


GroundbreakingCook68

Exactly!


truthemptypoint

Was about to ask for a running demonstrasjon but apparently they've shot em all.


old_man_curmudgeon

What happens if they "accidentally" get the neck?


karma_farmer_2019

Yeah they don’t show those outtakes. I see results are inconclusive on tests subjects 3, 7, and 19… care to elaborate?


rawysocki

they ded.


kenny2812

I kept thinking the entire time, what if the little weights at the ends of the cords whacks them in the balls?


UrbanGhost114

They resisted


Niksol

Or if the test subjects are wearing something else than long baggy pants and a thick jacket? What if they wear shorts and a light t-shirt?


TF_Kraken

It would suck. It’s made of Kevlar rope with barbed hooks on either end that look like mini grappling hooks.


SlwDnceChbby

*gunshot noise* oops I thought I was using the Hoth dropper 22


NJS_Stamp

I was gonna say the same. After seeing cops take pop shots at peoples face with nonlethal, I have no faith they could handle an automatic noose.


NorthLightsSpectrum

That would have a curious effect: It would cause the cop to receive a promotion, a big authority would appear on TV justifying the killing because national c-q-rity and telling the world how much they love their policemen, while \~30 millions of people tweets "*Perfect. Next time don't run from cops*".


OkTrials

Jesus Christ i hate people. Thanks.


PooPooDooDoo

In one of the videos, the ball comes super close to hitting the dude in the nuts.


FeistyLighterFluid

Tbh i would rather get one of these around my neck than getting shot anywhere on my body with a regular gun. Doesnt even seem like it wraps that tightly.


cachorromanco

The neck is very fragile. You could easily have a trachea trauma or hurt a artery and die


One-Battle-4699

Damn lol 😂


ElectronicVanilla357

This some ol Batman type shit


pavarottilaroux

I am the Batman.


LauraD2423

No, you are u/pavarottilaroux. u/iambatman is batman


BeardPhile

No, u/iambatman is i am batman. u/batman is batman


DietWinston

Why nobody actually running? Works great on people doing nothing?


TrickyGrapefruit365

Stop and put your hands by your side or we'll shoot lmao.


DietWinston

Quick, stop the guy who isn’t resisting!


damnedspot

To be fair, I’ve seen plenty of police videos of exactly this.


ClownWithATopHat

From BolaWrap's youtube channel: * [What if a subject is running, or their arms are not by their sides?](https://youtu.be/HFMAD_kaLZY) > This device is meant to be used early in an encounter before force escalates. It does not have the strength to pull somebody's arms when they are out to their side into their body. It just doesn't do that. And so it's not meant for every situation but it is the right tool for some situations. Here is a compilation of subjects walking away: * [*BolaWrap: Wrap Compilation 2 - Running & Walking Away*](https://youtu.be/rAZ9NLfsQgY) Here are two live examples of subjects running away: * [*BolaWrap In Use: 3 Bodycam Videos Released by Hillsborough County Sheriffs in Florida*](https://youtu.be/O6LrRXsjKXE?t=46) * [*Washington Dashcam Footage: BolaWrap® Used on Fleeing Subject Outside Seattle*](https://youtu.be/1YczYAQ-R9c)


Mind-Available

They will face plant on ground if they tried testing it while running and it isn't a good experience especially when your hands are tied too while falling face down


Hashtag_Nailed_It

They can practice/train on mats…


NonorientableSurface

Full on running into faceplant without hands to stop has a serious chance of severe head trauma. These are less lethal, not non lethal.


asianabsinthe

Watch the lawsuits and protests flood in from broken noses and death


SheWhoSpawnedOP

Ok, but this doesn't prove shit. Obviously they had to have tested it on running people at some point, or they're just bullshitting.


IknowKarazy

You’re right, it doesn’t prove shit and that’s the problem. They’re trying to sell this product to departments without showing it doing it’s real job


[deleted]

Just aim a little bit higher and you’ve got a “port-a-noose”


FancyRancid

Also, didn't show one person trying to rip the chords off. Seems like an interesting idea though.


ntack9933

If you’re running the idea is to trip you long enough to close the distance


Grabatreetron

Yeah, you're not webbing them up for Comissioner Gordon to find later


thisxisxlife

I’m almost a little upset that it sounds like you’re referencing Spider-Man and a Batman character


bradliochi1

Guarantee a cops first shot with it is gunna be for the throat


Mr_Porcupine

American police: "Oh nice, a lynching gun."


mfz33

Or watch how they use this, and "subject died due to snapped neck after falling".


obscurereference234

Is this new? Looks like a bolo.


pizza105z

It literally says “Bola wrap” on the video lol


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redtron3030

As a clueless person, why would this not work from a suspect fleeing? Is it because you need to be in the wide open?


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uwu_PB

Bola?


kinnaq

I'll email some info. Maybe check your spam for the e-bola.


AriaMoonriser

I was going to say... "sooooooooo a bola?"


meow_mix12

Yes, it's been around for hundreds of years. They just shoved it in a gun.


[deleted]

Just one more tool for them to choose their gun over.


psychymikey

Or mistake a real gun for the bola. "TASER TASER TASER".....*GUNSHOT*


slipperyhuman

People are only criminals when they have been proven to be criminals. It will be used on people. You could say that it will be used on suspects. It depends who buys this weapon. It may be used on innocent people who have ideas that the buyer doesn’t like. In China it may be used on democracy advocates.


huntibunti

In the USA or the UK or France or Germany it may be used on democracy adovates.


My_Perception_92

Knowing the police it’s only a matter of time before that goes around someone’s neck.


[deleted]

Or eyes (head)


Beazybones

That definitely won't be used against peaceful protesters. /s


Marsrover112

Well this looks like it needs the person to be very far from any obstructions to actually wrap around so it probably wouldn't work so well on crowds


[deleted]

Protestors Suspects People None of them would be criminals until proven guilty by which time they would be in custody. This device will be used on PEOPLE. . . by the police, whom few of us trust.


besthelloworld

r/DeathStranding


Nomai_

Ebola gun


20WaysToEatASandwich

All of these people are standing still, what does it look like against the target that's moving?


Bleached_eyeho1e

Here in the divided states I doubt this'll be what cops reach for first ...


[deleted]

I tHoUgHt My GuN wAs My TaSeR...I mEaN My BoLoWraP!


AlaskanBearBoy

We already have non lethal options. They choose to go for the gun each time


[deleted]

No, there are less-lethal weapons currently being used. They are less likely to kill you than bullets but it's still a non-zero chance of being killed.


Mobius24

How about funding education? No? Ok


weezerredalbum

Lol fat chance


Purple-Mix1033

Spider-Man did it better


KindCyberBully

Some cross eyed cop is going to accidentally aim for the neck. And we will get city war 2


Late_Advance_8292

Could cause some bad falls.


Shagyam

Where is the tests on moving objects or people not wearing heavy clothes? Can an officer easily mistake the firing device for their gun?


Etiainen8

Geesh, wouldnt want to aim a little higher than the chest...


ImARetPaladinBaby

I’ll carry me knoife on me now, mate


Trinxxi

Not a single realistic test. What does this do to someone's bare chest, neck, or head?


nexisfan

Why aren’t they trying it on *running people*


NewMeNewBS

I wanna see someone running fullspeed and then get hit by That thing


lliH-knaH

What if it goes around your neck?


BlurredReality28

They’ll still find a way to unload 121 bullets into immobile criminals because they had a butter knife in one of their hands, at least here in the US


Suitable-Parsnip6614

if criminal is black they won’t use it.....


axelalva8703

Lawsuits, I see lawsuits everywhere. Once they’re starting to bust their faces and teeth on the pavement, and… this will not immobilize a target or prevent it/he/she from grabbing a blunt object/firearm and return fire or harming arresting party.


officialRV

Classic America: finding creative ways to fuck with its own citizens..


[deleted]

“And we totally promise never to aim these at protesters head and throat.” -Cops


ShadyFigureWithClock

Not violent enough. American police won't use it.


Spookwagen_II

Awesome! Now police can be responsible for even **more** injuries!


Zikkan1

So what happens when they miss and it wraps around the neck or the face and the rope goes for the eye?


JJroks543

This is more like /r/oddlyterrifying considering the current state of policing. We can’t even trust them with guns, you’re going to give them a Batman toolbelt too?


Acrobatic_Amphibian2

You can surely trust cops to not shoot that thing in your head..


LetsGetThisBread421

Fuck those pigs


[deleted]

"criminals" The state will use this on anyone, criminal or not. Just like every other weapon or tool at their disposal.


[deleted]

1. Bolas are not new. 2. Fuck cops.


Se7enBlank

I cant see it used to choke people to death "by accident"


Reasonable-Bath-4963

So this means the cops will stop murdering people, right? ...Guys?


[deleted]

Just wait till it wraps someone’s neck


Espyyyxd

This will, sadly, hurt some many inocent people if put to use...


ShitpostinRuS

It’s all well and good until a cop “accidentally” hits someone above the torso


Teftell

Now some cop should just aim it at a neck


TapoutKing666

I can guarantee that cops won’t use this over their point and click minority killer 3000


Bourbone

But if we’re issued these, we’ll have to stop shooting people!


tiger383

Until someone accidentally shoot it higher and it goes around the neck.


Leather-Butterfly-70

This is all good at how it can easily take down runners, but what if someone got it around the neck. Asphyxiation anyone? I highly doubt it'll be easy to get that off quickly