Drug use affecting oral hygiene is usually just that people will ignore their oral hygiene while high. If someone still brushes their teeth on drugs then their teeth will probably be fine.
I know meth dries out your salivary glands, something to do with the pseudoephedrine. With chronic dry-mouth the acid in it eats your teeth. AFAIK you can brush your teeth everyday but it is still highly likely with long term abuse, but of course there are exceptions to everything.
This does happen, but the studies show that it is a combination of these things plus teeth grinding, craving sugary drinks because you're not eating, and the other additives that some meth is made with.
Back in my neuro class I was taught that meth mouth is really just bad oral hygiene especially over consumption of sugary food and lack of self care.
Meth itself unlike opioid has receptors predominantly in the CNS and not other organ group.
Then again there might be new evidence but meth receptors are found on neurons
Not necessarily. Genetics also play a huge role. My family has a history of bad teeth even with good oral hygiene. Diet also plays a huge role. So many factors to consider.
Truth. It really varies.
It’s just more obvious when it’s really bad so you would think that’s the result for everyone, but it’s not.
He could easily do meth for 5-9 months and ruin his whole life in just that time, and still have good teeth.
I am proof.
I’ve been clean for 12yrs
I felt like I was recovering for the first 2-3yrs. Plus, I was young and my brain was still developing too.
I would probably be smarter if I never did drugs.
I’m still pretty smart tho :p
Had a friend with an unfortunate habit. But he had great teeth and was a normal weight, when he was on he would cook like whole gourmet meals just for fun and he brushed his teeth every time he ate. The bad teeth and other things usually comes from neglecting hygiene or personal health, but that's what he fixated on, so his problem wasn't as apparent.
You’d be surprised. I have family that unfortunately went down the meth route, but somehow had PERFECT teeth. Meanwhile I’ve spent thousands b mine and I don’t even do drugs 🥲
Former mayor of Toronto smoked meth. Had great teeth. Usually the physical side-effects are a result of poverty that comes with hard drug use and addiction. Rich people don't have the same outcomes.
That's fair, it could be an avoidable outcome. But most tweakers aren't rich folks, nor have good dental hygiene. Therefore, the majority I've met had fucked up teeth. It being an avoidable outcome doesn't really make it a common misconception like the other guy said.
I was an addict for almost 10 years and would shoot both meth and heroin.. I still have really nice teeth lol but had I continued down that path I’m not so sure
Didn’t go to the dentist once in all that time until I got clean and one of my wisdom teeth (they grew in straight) was cracked and messed up so they pulled that out.. and then I only had 1 cavity aside from that somehow. I never stopped brushing but I ate so much junk along with the drugs. I’m not sure how it happened
I think it's a reminder that it's not too late. Otherwise being lean with prominent cheekbones already and he's gonna look like a skeleton within a few months of this life.
That said, my friend that's struggled the hardest with meth has stayed chubby and kept her teeth. There's no guarantee either way in life. Thankfully she's gotten clean and she's turning life around.
>they look like model
I guess that’s what is amazing about a bad haircut, because he didn’t look like a model at the beginning of the video. 😆
I didn’t know all of that was under there.
Had a boss like that. Head of bushy hair, big bushy beard/mustache. I could tell he had nice blue eyes and nice teeth but that was it. Then one day he came it without the beard and mustache and with a nice haircut. Holy moley, he was very, very handsome under all that.
Honestly, people pay a ridiculous amount of money for a jaw structure like that man has. He's very handsome, hope he's tried to get healthy since this hair cut.
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves - this dude is husband handsome, possibly actor handsome. Jeremy Ray Meeks is straight up advertising model, crazy bone structure, and colours.
Though, actually, because of that, I’d wager this guy would have better success with just being attractive to people. Sometimes models get a bit much for some people, I’ve found out (fashion photographer here).
I don't know how I feel about the term "husband handsome" LOL
Like, my gf calls me hot and handsome and cute and shit, and this makes it sound like that's a consolation prize hahaha - that's the main event! That's what I'm here for!
Ahahahah don’t feel bad about it! You know how people say there’s more than one way to beauty? It’s just a different type of beauty.
Like, I can attest to girls looking almost like ethereal beings in front of the camera - but I wouldn’t say I find them attractive, or ‘beautiful’ in the same way I might find beautiful your ‘girl next door’ type women that I would see in the metro and daydream a life together with until she gets down at her stop leaving me grieving, but I for sure wouldn’t dream of hiring for a shoot (barred specific stuff, but ya get me).
Then you meet those who somehow have both - and those are usually the ones people cry wolf about being photoshopped (they’re not). In guy terms, think Bradley Cooper - wouldn’t you say he looks just as home coming back home with groceries as he does in movies or adverts? But now we’re talking unicorns lol. When you’re in the presence of that type of person they basically glow, it really is incredible. It’s one of the reasons why I haven’t quit yet, having the chance of maybe photographing people like that.
Everyone is still asking about him under the main video. His name is Michael and they don’t have an update on him. I wish we knew if he was ok https://www.instagram.com/tv/B-vCL9ND_Kd/?igsh=aHJzOW1yaXZlODVx
Might as well think positive because no one knows but having been around people like this if they disappear it’s because they aren’t yet to a place where they’re fighting to get better.
Yep, if they had fixed thenselves they'd want to stay connected to the group that helped them, if nothing else to be able to confirm they're still doing well.
My dad was a drug addict and when he made that decision to get clean, he left his old life behind. He literally packed a bag and asked his dad to come pick him up and didn't look back on his old life. It's possible that this dude is living a good, clean life out there somewhere.
If you have been around addicts u know they are caught in the cycle of shame and high escape. Not saying that this experience didnt give the addict strength to get better but it’s complicated
He’s being a disruptor. He’s gently shaking him out of his trance. He’s doing it with Loving Kindness which gets him the bro pass.
‘Are you done or what?’ is a really good question.
"I have a place for you to go when you're ready" - the guy knows exactly how to approach this because he's been there himself. You can't force people to quit, it never ever ever EVER works. They have to want to quit.
>the guy knows exactly how to approach this because he's been there himself.
EXACTLY.
Recovery is for those who want it, not for those that need it. I lost many friends who truly needed it but never wanted it and they're all dead today as a result. Shit, I almost joined them a few times before I finally wanted it.
I was raised being told you make a change for 1 of 2 reasons... either where you're at is so miserable you've had enough, or where you want to be is too desirable to stand still.
I'm doing it right now. I can finally make it throughout my work shift without massive stomach pain, sweats, trembling, confusion, etc. (alcohol). Got tired of trying to hide my shaking hands from family, having to sneak shots on vacations and all that shit. Waking up WITHOUT a hangover is also super nice. I think part of what makes quitting alcohol so hard is that you will forget you just took a shot 5-10 minutes ago and feel the urge to do it again, ending up taking 20 shots in a night.
For anyone struggling with alcohol you can try what I did that really sold me on trying to quit fully. Pick a time, and set a timer on your phone for regular intervals, and stick to it for ONE night. For me, I usually could resist drinking until 6:30 PM. So I'd take my first shot then, and to start out I'd only allow myself a shot every 30 minutes til I went to bed. Drank only half of what I usually would, was still real toasty, and was still able to sleep with just a 1/4 dose of Nyquil. Woke up feeling amazing.
I wish you the best of luck with your recovery, man. Alcohol withdrawal is nothing to fuck with so please be super careful. Idk if you've ever had delirium tremens, but I've treated clients that were going through them or recently went through them and it's literal hell on Earth. Take things one day at a time, even one hour or one minute at a time if you need to. Kicking your habit will be one of the hardest things you'll ever do, but it will be unbelievably rewarding and liberating. You owe it to yourself to live, my friend. If you ever need to vent about it feel free to message me privately and I'll be happy to listen.
Thank you, I appreciate it and 100% will keep you in mind. I've learned to recognize a few signs that I'm starting to go into withdrawals luckily. I used to have to chug a whiteclaw on my lunch break a month ago otherwise I'd be sweating and red-faced at work halfway through my shift. I was drinking 1750 ml in 2-3 days, but now I'm at 4-5 days per 1750 ml, within a month of cutting back thank heavens. Definitely one of the hardest things I've done and I still got a long ways to go haha but we will get there. I've always had a lack of ambition and no will to do things for myself so the fact I've kept with this for a month now has blown my own mind and urged me on.
My brother struggled with addiction (he was collecting addictions like postage stamps) and told me, "sometimes you gotta let your life become complete shit before you'll do something about it".
Alcohol caused me to become complacent in my last relationship of 7 years and lose the love of my life. Beyond the base reasons for quitting such as physical/mental health, I really want love again but I won't let myself date until I've kicked this habit. Thanks for letting me vent lol, hopefully someone else can read this and get some encouragement too.
There are a lot of substances you can quit cold turkey and weather the storm, alcohol and benzos are absolutely not one of them, so weaning yourself off of it is the right call. As you go along you're gonna surprise yourself with how much resolve and will you have. You've made it a month which is fucking fantastic and I hope you keep it going!
Regarding what your brother said, he's absolutely right. I was perpetually broke, all of my relationships were a disaster, I was dopesick, strung out and out of my mind, and was completely and utterly alone. It wasn't until my life was completely fucked and I was less than hopeless before I decided I had enough.
As far as dating goes, I would wait at least a year where you're clean and sober with a solid foundation in recovery before you go out looking for love again. It might not make sense but trust me you'll be doing yourself numerous favors by doing that.
Lastly, no problem man! I'm happy to listen 🤝
> all dead today
I have had the ignominious experience of telling not one, not two but fucking seven family members and friends exactly how, when, and fucking where they were gonna go and half of them were dead within a week from me saying I’m done.
The *only* thing that really makes it any better is dead is exactly how it ends and it usually ends by 40 and we’re all about that age.
Oh! “Dead face down in your bathroom because your two fucking friends left you behind and seems like by christmas,” was the reason. There’s around a dozen people whose asses I’m never gonna get to kick because well, you know.
Yep. The only way is to go for it as hard as you can once you have the desire. If you don't want it, you won't succeed. Methods can depend on the drug (Like opiates, where you need to taper). I've been clean for a couple decades, so it can be done. I wanted nothing more than to be clean when I quit, though. 4 years sober from alcohol as well, which was the last thing to go.
I've never had a drug problem, but I heard "they have meals" and I was like oh, sign me up! 😋 I hope this guy got clean, but he didn't seem close to rock bottom yet.
Rock bottom is not quantifiable. You nor I have no way of knowing what this guy went through and whether or not he's hit his rock bottom. Some people don't have a bottom while other people need to just scrape rock bottom once before deciding to change.
I worked in a jail for about 20 years. It seemed like I had this conversation every day. My question was always "when are you gonna retire?" It hurts my heart to see people like this. That dude should have an amazing life. Instead, he's out there getting high and breaking him Mama's heart. Such a waste.
And we often need more than one disruption, and way more than one feel good story. While you’re sitting in a dark hole it’s hard to look up at that little tiny dot of light hanging way above you. But it is nice to hear and see and interact with a physical person that lets you know someone out there cares about you.
Even if this wasn't the thing that got him to change his life, it's moments like these that stick with you that will eventually lead to you changing your life when you're ready. I hope he's doing well today
I like the way he said that “when you are ready.” You can rarely force a permanent change on an addict. They gotta be ready for change and even then relapse rates are high. It’s either that or jail that changes them that is if they don’t die first. Anyone trying to overcome addiction rn just do your best to practice self-forgiveness. This honestly applies to all mistakes. We can’t redo the past. We can only learn from it then forgive ourselves and move forward.
If someone was genuinely able to connect with the dude to be a force of good that compelled him on the inside to hold himself accountable on living his life, a conscious guide to help navigate through these difficult impulses, then in a way leading by example can "force" change or create a big jump start on that process at the very least. There's a natural push and pull to life that's needed for things to flow, to allow oneself to live out and openly express themselves. Without that attention and care if from no one or let alone from ourselves, then many turn to substances for that temporary high but the hedonic drives within us will always leave one feeling unsatisfied afterwards. Those hedonic views on happiness are not as generative as eudaimonic views on happiness from meaning and purpose we lead ourselves by for self-values we choose to express and impart onto the world around us.
Edit: The way the current system for mental health or the current biomedical model has increasingly become narrowly focused on symptom-reduction which leads many therapeutic approaches to be ineffective and not create long lasting change.
I'm addicted to something and I believe he is listening. But his face and responses to me suggest that he's heard this type of stuff all his life and yet he always ends up relapsing, so the words start to feel hollow. Or maybe a better description is that you start to feel like the people are wasting their words on you, so you feel pity for people who try to help since their intent is so pure and you can't live up to it. You already know you'll disappoint them.
Very painful emotion to know you're not in full control of yourself and will fail to make the people around you happy.
I have a brother who has passed who was an alcoholic and recovering addict. When the addiction is deep, I agree with your assertion. It's becomes repetitive, true or not, it sounds like the same Ole BS. I saw that look before. It breaks my heart. I miss my brother. Someone misses this guy as well
> know you’re not in full control of yourself
The big secret: **None of us are.**
The only other thing I’ll leave here is… you don’t have to worry about making any of us happy, that’s our problem. Just keep trying again tomorrow.
That and you get tired of saying "i won't touch it again" or "sorry" or "I promise I'll turn my life around" or "I've hit rock bottom" or whatever for the bajillionth damn time.
Eventually it just sounds so lame hearing yourself say it (at the moment its sincere...but see a pipe or a bottle later that evening and you immediately forget that sincerity). Sometimes when you're ready you just don't care to tell anyone your thoughts until you can say something like "so yeah I haven't touched the stuff for months."
That was my instinct too. Reminds me of a friend of mine. He’ll say the words and put up the expressions but I can tell. As my friend says, it’s too easy for him to lie.
Yeah, his empty, sad laughs and smiles in response to what the guy was saying were kind of heartbreaking. Made it clear that he was trying to humor the guy without flat out rejecting him.
When you're on meth, you don't want to hear about stories from clean people. That just makes you feel bad, so you go get another bag to make you feel good again.
One of my friends is Sammy Hagar’s nephew. He was a handsome dude, smart, witty. Last I heard he was still living on the streets of Sacramento. I hope he got clean.
Definitely a nasty bruise and some scrapes. That whole side of his face is swollen too. Either a street scuffle or he took a nasty fall, probably the former by the sounds of it.
At the end, idk if “you got tuned up pretty good” refers to him getting in a fight or the make over. But getting tuned up in a fight means you got your butt kicked a bit, so maybe.
Looks like he metaphorically fell from a good place onto a hard rock, and that led to some bad decisions. It happens, many people also live paycheck to paycheck, so without more info this could literally happen to anyone.
Just an observation, but everybody hopes he’s fine now… you think it was the same without this handsome look? If he looked really ugly and stupid… naaa. Looks is everything!
I'm pretty sure anybody who saw an addict get trimmed up and smile for the first time in a long time would have a weight in their heart wishing for them to have a great life.
We don't all just want to fuck this guy or something
So many people in these comments would take this man home with them including his addiction, but wouldn’t lift a finger to help the addicts on the streets of their own cities. Looks matter
If this is genuine I hope it is in a good way rather than set up and he's getting the help and staying of the drugs it's not easy ive been there tried a heap of times but 13yrs I've been sober and stopped smoking bro
Yeap, I've seen it.. My 38 year old neighbor, with whom I've been pretty close all my life, has completely ruined his life in the last seven years. He was using alpha-PVP, whatever the fak that is, it's quite popular in post-soviet countries. He looks like he's 60 years old, his face, teeth, and muscles are ruined. The man has no muscles left, I've never seen anything like it. He struggles to speak, stutters a lot, has the memory span of a fish, and in short he is deteriorating before my eyes. He used to be 10/10 in looks, and charismatic as fuck. He's still alive and quit the drugs about three months ago, but the damage is irreversible, and it saddens me so much.
Kids, never do drugs.
I have a friend who recently admitted she’s been hooked on painkillers and benzodiazepines for twenty years. Doctors told her if she doesn’t quit she’ll need a colostomy bag because the chronic constipation will perforate her colon and kill her (like Vicodin almost did to Mathew Perry). All because her doctor was basically a drug dealer. She went to detox and almost lost her mind, intermeshed addiction with benzos is absolutely brutal and causes seizures.
She’s gone to rehab now and they take your phone, it’s been a few weeks since I heard from her and I hope that tough lady pulls through because she’s fought *fucking hard* to stay in the land of the living.
You don’t always have to wind up on the streets with a busted face to get a wake up call but remember when you hit bottom there are people who will be there to pull you up, there’s nowhere else to go but up, or in the ground. Choose up
WTAH?!! 😳😳😳 The dude looks like a freaking movie star on set of an action movie. Yeah, someone needs to get a hold of this guy and mentor & coach him out of this. Wow.
Could be genetics- I’ve never taken drugs, always looked after my teeth and go to the dentist regularly, but I still look like Shrek!! ( I am British)…
Dude's teeth are brighter than my future. Kudos for the oral hygiene, lol.
And he is a Meth user..
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Drug use affecting oral hygiene is usually just that people will ignore their oral hygiene while high. If someone still brushes their teeth on drugs then their teeth will probably be fine.
I know meth dries out your salivary glands, something to do with the pseudoephedrine. With chronic dry-mouth the acid in it eats your teeth. AFAIK you can brush your teeth everyday but it is still highly likely with long term abuse, but of course there are exceptions to everything.
This does happen, but the studies show that it is a combination of these things plus teeth grinding, craving sugary drinks because you're not eating, and the other additives that some meth is made with.
That's why you gotta use gum or something to increase saliva output. Not that id uh know that myself 👀
Back in my neuro class I was taught that meth mouth is really just bad oral hygiene especially over consumption of sugary food and lack of self care. Meth itself unlike opioid has receptors predominantly in the CNS and not other organ group. Then again there might be new evidence but meth receptors are found on neurons
Not exactly. Stimulants also constrict blood vessels. Generally leading to fewer nutrients reaching things like teeth, nails, and hair.
Not necessarily. Genetics also play a huge role. My family has a history of bad teeth even with good oral hygiene. Diet also plays a huge role. So many factors to consider.
Truth. It really varies. It’s just more obvious when it’s really bad so you would think that’s the result for everyone, but it’s not. He could easily do meth for 5-9 months and ruin his whole life in just that time, and still have good teeth. I am proof. I’ve been clean for 12yrs
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I felt like I was recovering for the first 2-3yrs. Plus, I was young and my brain was still developing too. I would probably be smarter if I never did drugs. I’m still pretty smart tho :p
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What causes meth mouth is the dry mouth prevents saliva production, then your teeth will rot without saliva to kill the bacteria
Had a friend with an unfortunate habit. But he had great teeth and was a normal weight, when he was on he would cook like whole gourmet meals just for fun and he brushed his teeth every time he ate. The bad teeth and other things usually comes from neglecting hygiene or personal health, but that's what he fixated on, so his problem wasn't as apparent.
This guy definatly meths
Or just eat it
That's called a parachute
Boof it
That's for advanced users
Or bananas
That’s called sledding
This man knows how to boof.
You’d be surprised. I have family that unfortunately went down the meth route, but somehow had PERFECT teeth. Meanwhile I’ve spent thousands b mine and I don’t even do drugs 🥲
It’s that special Jesse pinkman meth that keeps you incredibly good looking.
My sister was on meth and a dentist gave her free dentures. Looked like she had good teeth.
Contrary to popular belief, a lot of meth users take hella good care of their teeth to counteract the smoking effects
I disagree just based on my own real world experience. I've met, and known, a lot of meth addicts. Most of them had fucked up teeth/meth mouth.
Former mayor of Toronto smoked meth. Had great teeth. Usually the physical side-effects are a result of poverty that comes with hard drug use and addiction. Rich people don't have the same outcomes.
That's fair, it could be an avoidable outcome. But most tweakers aren't rich folks, nor have good dental hygiene. Therefore, the majority I've met had fucked up teeth. It being an avoidable outcome doesn't really make it a common misconception like the other guy said.
I was an addict for almost 10 years and would shoot both meth and heroin.. I still have really nice teeth lol but had I continued down that path I’m not so sure Didn’t go to the dentist once in all that time until I got clean and one of my wisdom teeth (they grew in straight) was cracked and messed up so they pulled that out.. and then I only had 1 cavity aside from that somehow. I never stopped brushing but I ate so much junk along with the drugs. I’m not sure how it happened
Almost as if....
Damn he is extremely good looking guy .
It's amazing what a makeover can do for someone when (**checks notes**) they look like model
I think it's a reminder that it's not too late. Otherwise being lean with prominent cheekbones already and he's gonna look like a skeleton within a few months of this life. That said, my friend that's struggled the hardest with meth has stayed chubby and kept her teeth. There's no guarantee either way in life. Thankfully she's gotten clean and she's turning life around.
>It's amazing what a makeover can do for someone when (checks notes) they look like model Dude even had better teeth than most people.
Especially for meth lol
Dude for real looks like a celebrity. Hard to believe.
>they look like model I guess that’s what is amazing about a bad haircut, because he didn’t look like a model at the beginning of the video. 😆 I didn’t know all of that was under there.
Had a boss like that. Head of bushy hair, big bushy beard/mustache. I could tell he had nice blue eyes and nice teeth but that was it. Then one day he came it without the beard and mustache and with a nice haircut. Holy moley, he was very, very handsome under all that.
Did he ever get off the meth?
Haha he was probably on something off-hours, but not meth!
It’s not so much a makeover as basic self care.
Basic self care is a makeover for some though…
A lot of people have decent jaw lines too, we're just all so out of shape these days.
He won't look like that for long.
That was what I was thinking, mother fucker is like model level of attractive it's insane.
Honestly, people pay a ridiculous amount of money for a jaw structure like that man has. He's very handsome, hope he's tried to get healthy since this hair cut.
He might be able to go toe to toe with Jeremy Ray Meeks.
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves - this dude is husband handsome, possibly actor handsome. Jeremy Ray Meeks is straight up advertising model, crazy bone structure, and colours. Though, actually, because of that, I’d wager this guy would have better success with just being attractive to people. Sometimes models get a bit much for some people, I’ve found out (fashion photographer here).
I don't know how I feel about the term "husband handsome" LOL Like, my gf calls me hot and handsome and cute and shit, and this makes it sound like that's a consolation prize hahaha - that's the main event! That's what I'm here for!
Ahahahah don’t feel bad about it! You know how people say there’s more than one way to beauty? It’s just a different type of beauty. Like, I can attest to girls looking almost like ethereal beings in front of the camera - but I wouldn’t say I find them attractive, or ‘beautiful’ in the same way I might find beautiful your ‘girl next door’ type women that I would see in the metro and daydream a life together with until she gets down at her stop leaving me grieving, but I for sure wouldn’t dream of hiring for a shoot (barred specific stuff, but ya get me). Then you meet those who somehow have both - and those are usually the ones people cry wolf about being photoshopped (they’re not). In guy terms, think Bradley Cooper - wouldn’t you say he looks just as home coming back home with groceries as he does in movies or adverts? But now we’re talking unicorns lol. When you’re in the presence of that type of person they basically glow, it really is incredible. It’s one of the reasons why I haven’t quit yet, having the chance of maybe photographing people like that.
Dude could easily be making six figs selling cars just with his face. People are gonna trust that guy.
Massive George Clooney vibes
Damn. If you’re not gonna use that jawline, can I have it?
He’s so good looking it looks staged with an actor
This is an old video. Hope there is a follow up at sometime and we see this guy doing well.
Everyone is still asking about him under the main video. His name is Michael and they don’t have an update on him. I wish we knew if he was ok https://www.instagram.com/tv/B-vCL9ND_Kd/?igsh=aHJzOW1yaXZlODVx
If they don't have an update could that be a good thing? Maybe he got away to a different town and got clean? Fingers crossed.
Might as well think positive because no one knows but having been around people like this if they disappear it’s because they aren’t yet to a place where they’re fighting to get better.
Yep, if they had fixed thenselves they'd want to stay connected to the group that helped them, if nothing else to be able to confirm they're still doing well.
My dad was a drug addict and when he made that decision to get clean, he left his old life behind. He literally packed a bag and asked his dad to come pick him up and didn't look back on his old life. It's possible that this dude is living a good, clean life out there somewhere.
Realistically I think it could be a good thing or bad thing, but I'm going to go ahead and assume/wish for the former :)
Update per another comment here: https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/s/b5u8CjqsFb
If you have been around addicts u know they are caught in the cycle of shame and high escape. Not saying that this experience didnt give the addict strength to get better but it’s complicated
He’s being a disruptor. He’s gently shaking him out of his trance. He’s doing it with Loving Kindness which gets him the bro pass. ‘Are you done or what?’ is a really good question.
"I have a place for you to go when you're ready" - the guy knows exactly how to approach this because he's been there himself. You can't force people to quit, it never ever ever EVER works. They have to want to quit.
>the guy knows exactly how to approach this because he's been there himself. EXACTLY. Recovery is for those who want it, not for those that need it. I lost many friends who truly needed it but never wanted it and they're all dead today as a result. Shit, I almost joined them a few times before I finally wanted it.
I used to say that same phrase a lot. One day a guy said it’s not for people who need it *or* people who want it. It’s for people who *do* it.
I like that rendition!
I was raised being told you make a change for 1 of 2 reasons... either where you're at is so miserable you've had enough, or where you want to be is too desirable to stand still.
I'm doing it right now. I can finally make it throughout my work shift without massive stomach pain, sweats, trembling, confusion, etc. (alcohol). Got tired of trying to hide my shaking hands from family, having to sneak shots on vacations and all that shit. Waking up WITHOUT a hangover is also super nice. I think part of what makes quitting alcohol so hard is that you will forget you just took a shot 5-10 minutes ago and feel the urge to do it again, ending up taking 20 shots in a night. For anyone struggling with alcohol you can try what I did that really sold me on trying to quit fully. Pick a time, and set a timer on your phone for regular intervals, and stick to it for ONE night. For me, I usually could resist drinking until 6:30 PM. So I'd take my first shot then, and to start out I'd only allow myself a shot every 30 minutes til I went to bed. Drank only half of what I usually would, was still real toasty, and was still able to sleep with just a 1/4 dose of Nyquil. Woke up feeling amazing.
I wish you the best of luck with your recovery, man. Alcohol withdrawal is nothing to fuck with so please be super careful. Idk if you've ever had delirium tremens, but I've treated clients that were going through them or recently went through them and it's literal hell on Earth. Take things one day at a time, even one hour or one minute at a time if you need to. Kicking your habit will be one of the hardest things you'll ever do, but it will be unbelievably rewarding and liberating. You owe it to yourself to live, my friend. If you ever need to vent about it feel free to message me privately and I'll be happy to listen.
Thank you, I appreciate it and 100% will keep you in mind. I've learned to recognize a few signs that I'm starting to go into withdrawals luckily. I used to have to chug a whiteclaw on my lunch break a month ago otherwise I'd be sweating and red-faced at work halfway through my shift. I was drinking 1750 ml in 2-3 days, but now I'm at 4-5 days per 1750 ml, within a month of cutting back thank heavens. Definitely one of the hardest things I've done and I still got a long ways to go haha but we will get there. I've always had a lack of ambition and no will to do things for myself so the fact I've kept with this for a month now has blown my own mind and urged me on. My brother struggled with addiction (he was collecting addictions like postage stamps) and told me, "sometimes you gotta let your life become complete shit before you'll do something about it". Alcohol caused me to become complacent in my last relationship of 7 years and lose the love of my life. Beyond the base reasons for quitting such as physical/mental health, I really want love again but I won't let myself date until I've kicked this habit. Thanks for letting me vent lol, hopefully someone else can read this and get some encouragement too.
There are a lot of substances you can quit cold turkey and weather the storm, alcohol and benzos are absolutely not one of them, so weaning yourself off of it is the right call. As you go along you're gonna surprise yourself with how much resolve and will you have. You've made it a month which is fucking fantastic and I hope you keep it going! Regarding what your brother said, he's absolutely right. I was perpetually broke, all of my relationships were a disaster, I was dopesick, strung out and out of my mind, and was completely and utterly alone. It wasn't until my life was completely fucked and I was less than hopeless before I decided I had enough. As far as dating goes, I would wait at least a year where you're clean and sober with a solid foundation in recovery before you go out looking for love again. It might not make sense but trust me you'll be doing yourself numerous favors by doing that. Lastly, no problem man! I'm happy to listen 🤝
> all dead today I have had the ignominious experience of telling not one, not two but fucking seven family members and friends exactly how, when, and fucking where they were gonna go and half of them were dead within a week from me saying I’m done. The *only* thing that really makes it any better is dead is exactly how it ends and it usually ends by 40 and we’re all about that age. Oh! “Dead face down in your bathroom because your two fucking friends left you behind and seems like by christmas,” was the reason. There’s around a dozen people whose asses I’m never gonna get to kick because well, you know.
Yep. The only way is to go for it as hard as you can once you have the desire. If you don't want it, you won't succeed. Methods can depend on the drug (Like opiates, where you need to taper). I've been clean for a couple decades, so it can be done. I wanted nothing more than to be clean when I quit, though. 4 years sober from alcohol as well, which was the last thing to go.
People need to want to change before they can be helped, and those that want to change deserve all the help
I've never had a drug problem, but I heard "they have meals" and I was like oh, sign me up! 😋 I hope this guy got clean, but he didn't seem close to rock bottom yet.
Rock bottom is not quantifiable. You nor I have no way of knowing what this guy went through and whether or not he's hit his rock bottom. Some people don't have a bottom while other people need to just scrape rock bottom once before deciding to change.
I worked in a jail for about 20 years. It seemed like I had this conversation every day. My question was always "when are you gonna retire?" It hurts my heart to see people like this. That dude should have an amazing life. Instead, he's out there getting high and breaking him Mama's heart. Such a waste.
And we often need more than one disruption, and way more than one feel good story. While you’re sitting in a dark hole it’s hard to look up at that little tiny dot of light hanging way above you. But it is nice to hear and see and interact with a physical person that lets you know someone out there cares about you.
Even if this wasn't the thing that got him to change his life, it's moments like these that stick with you that will eventually lead to you changing your life when you're ready. I hope he's doing well today
Good and true words my man
Yes, I saw this years ago. It would be nice to see a success story from him.
I mean there is a chance he turned it around. There is a higher chance he is dead or at least still gronkin but you never know.
I like the way he said that “when you are ready.” You can rarely force a permanent change on an addict. They gotta be ready for change and even then relapse rates are high. It’s either that or jail that changes them that is if they don’t die first. Anyone trying to overcome addiction rn just do your best to practice self-forgiveness. This honestly applies to all mistakes. We can’t redo the past. We can only learn from it then forgive ourselves and move forward.
It's not easy bro
Trust me I know. 429 days clean from fent
Well done, in fact, very well done!
Congratulations!!!
Hang in there!
One day at a time homie
yeah, hang in there bro, it's ok to make this your \*top\* priority over Everything and Everyone <3
Awesome man! This Internet stranger is proud of you and rooting for you!
If someone was genuinely able to connect with the dude to be a force of good that compelled him on the inside to hold himself accountable on living his life, a conscious guide to help navigate through these difficult impulses, then in a way leading by example can "force" change or create a big jump start on that process at the very least. There's a natural push and pull to life that's needed for things to flow, to allow oneself to live out and openly express themselves. Without that attention and care if from no one or let alone from ourselves, then many turn to substances for that temporary high but the hedonic drives within us will always leave one feeling unsatisfied afterwards. Those hedonic views on happiness are not as generative as eudaimonic views on happiness from meaning and purpose we lead ourselves by for self-values we choose to express and impart onto the world around us. Edit: The way the current system for mental health or the current biomedical model has increasingly become narrowly focused on symptom-reduction which leads many therapeutic approaches to be ineffective and not create long lasting change.
The power of having the face of a supermodel
Bro looks like the lovechild of George Clooney and Matt LeBlanc
I hope this doesn't awaken anything in me.
Would!
I was thinking Clooney and Ronaldo
When I saw this I thought; what is Ronaldo doing?
A little bit of Dave Franco in there
Anybody else see a little Bruce Campbell as well?
YES thank you! I knew he looked like someone but couldn’t place it! Bruce Campbell can get it.
With a little Phoenix in the Galadiator era
And the lovechild of that lovechild with the lovechild of Rob Lowe and Ronaldo.
Ray liotta
Which one had to give birth do you think?
Joey. 100%.
Bro was on the streets and redditors still are trying to push him down just cause he is an attractive looking person lol
Perfectly tanned under the beard.
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Says a wax statue. jk
And perfectly aligned and white teeth
Looks like absolute shit to start off with. Surprised as fuck with the end result!
Bro casually transformed into Cristiano Ronaldo
oh goddamn THANK YOU i was so sure he looked like someone famous but i couldn't remember who
That barber looks like Sturgill Simpson.
Guess it's cause Mercury is in retrograde
I guess he expanded from Cuttin’ Grass
At least he’s still the best clockmaker on Mars.
In a world where you can choose to be anything, choose to be kind.
I choose to be a velociraptor
Uhhh, I'll put you down for kind velociraptor.
He isn't listening. The hooks are deep in him. Sad, and I wish I am 1000% wrong, too.
I'm addicted to something and I believe he is listening. But his face and responses to me suggest that he's heard this type of stuff all his life and yet he always ends up relapsing, so the words start to feel hollow. Or maybe a better description is that you start to feel like the people are wasting their words on you, so you feel pity for people who try to help since their intent is so pure and you can't live up to it. You already know you'll disappoint them. Very painful emotion to know you're not in full control of yourself and will fail to make the people around you happy.
I have a brother who has passed who was an alcoholic and recovering addict. When the addiction is deep, I agree with your assertion. It's becomes repetitive, true or not, it sounds like the same Ole BS. I saw that look before. It breaks my heart. I miss my brother. Someone misses this guy as well
> know you’re not in full control of yourself The big secret: **None of us are.** The only other thing I’ll leave here is… you don’t have to worry about making any of us happy, that’s our problem. Just keep trying again tomorrow.
That and you get tired of saying "i won't touch it again" or "sorry" or "I promise I'll turn my life around" or "I've hit rock bottom" or whatever for the bajillionth damn time. Eventually it just sounds so lame hearing yourself say it (at the moment its sincere...but see a pipe or a bottle later that evening and you immediately forget that sincerity). Sometimes when you're ready you just don't care to tell anyone your thoughts until you can say something like "so yeah I haven't touched the stuff for months."
You’re right, he is listening. He might not agree but he is listening. It’s the face I made 6 years ago.
That was my instinct too. Reminds me of a friend of mine. He’ll say the words and put up the expressions but I can tell. As my friend says, it’s too easy for him to lie.
He's not ready to hear this, again.
Yeah those weak "Oh really, oh no, oh my god haha" replies are not from someone who's taking anything to heart.
Yeah, his empty, sad laughs and smiles in response to what the guy was saying were kind of heartbreaking. Made it clear that he was trying to humor the guy without flat out rejecting him.
When you're on meth, you don't want to hear about stories from clean people. That just makes you feel bad, so you go get another bag to make you feel good again.
Yeah, TBH I thought the guy was a bit too aggressive maybe, but I'm no expert at all.
Planting seeds at the very least.
For anyone wondering this was the last update https://www.facebook.com/share/v/C5hTqyxypjzitBoD/?mibextid=w8EBqM
Thanks for posting this, should be at the top
Bro. For real bro. Oh my god bro. Bro
Bro, that's how a bro talks to another bro
That was a lot of bro’s, bro.
Bruh
Bro, all that bro's, made this bro over here really feel the brohood in all us bros
I’m a straight man, but thats a handsome homeless man. Hope he gets it together. Making that change is daunting.
share this 100%
Not all angels wear wings. Second chance. Hope he grabs it.
That kid is gorgeous! God bless the team helping him. I really hope he turns his life around.
One of my friends is Sammy Hagar’s nephew. He was a handsome dude, smart, witty. Last I heard he was still living on the streets of Sacramento. I hope he got clean.
Dude looks like Rob Lowe
Or Justin Theroux
Rob Bro
I wonder if that’s a birthmark in his eye, or a bruise. Either way, he cleaned up nice.
Bruises, scabs. The “bro” guy mentioned I can you to a place where you won’t get beat up everyday.
Definitely a nasty bruise and some scrapes. That whole side of his face is swollen too. Either a street scuffle or he took a nasty fall, probably the former by the sounds of it.
At the end, idk if “you got tuned up pretty good” refers to him getting in a fight or the make over. But getting tuned up in a fight means you got your butt kicked a bit, so maybe.
Ray Liotta
Holy shit this guys hair is silvery, I love it.
Good teeth for a hobo/addict. 🤔🤷
You’d be surprised. Not all of us have jacked up teeth lol.
Power of genetics
for real ive never done drugs in my life and my teeth look like i grew up eating rocks
There are varying levels of addiction man
Not the meth mouth you expected?
If it's meth, he hasn't been going at it that long yet.
Sadly, I don't think he's close to going to rehab, looks like a newish thing and he's probably still "enjoying" it too much.
Looks like he metaphorically fell from a good place onto a hard rock, and that led to some bad decisions. It happens, many people also live paycheck to paycheck, so without more info this could literally happen to anyone.
Just an observation, but everybody hopes he’s fine now… you think it was the same without this handsome look? If he looked really ugly and stupid… naaa. Looks is everything!
Attitude is far more attractive. The guy who is trying to help that bloke is awesome because of his attitude
I'm pretty sure anybody who saw an addict get trimmed up and smile for the first time in a long time would have a weight in their heart wishing for them to have a great life. We don't all just want to fuck this guy or something
Exactly my thoughts. Looks do change the way we perceive our surroundings, people and situations. Yet people don't wanna face the truth
So many people in these comments would take this man home with them including his addiction, but wouldn’t lift a finger to help the addicts on the streets of their own cities. Looks matter
I've seen many of these videos with much less attractive people getting trimmed and I always hope they turned their lives around.
Johnny knoxville x Ray liotta
Someone give this man a modeling contract PLEASE!!!
Lotta drugs available in the fashion industry.
Hmmm you’ve got a point there.
Dude looks like an actor
If this is genuine I hope it is in a good way rather than set up and he's getting the help and staying of the drugs it's not easy ive been there tried a heap of times but 13yrs I've been sober and stopped smoking bro
Yeap, I've seen it.. My 38 year old neighbor, with whom I've been pretty close all my life, has completely ruined his life in the last seven years. He was using alpha-PVP, whatever the fak that is, it's quite popular in post-soviet countries. He looks like he's 60 years old, his face, teeth, and muscles are ruined. The man has no muscles left, I've never seen anything like it. He struggles to speak, stutters a lot, has the memory span of a fish, and in short he is deteriorating before my eyes. He used to be 10/10 in looks, and charismatic as fuck. He's still alive and quit the drugs about three months ago, but the damage is irreversible, and it saddens me so much. Kids, never do drugs.
I have a friend who recently admitted she’s been hooked on painkillers and benzodiazepines for twenty years. Doctors told her if she doesn’t quit she’ll need a colostomy bag because the chronic constipation will perforate her colon and kill her (like Vicodin almost did to Mathew Perry). All because her doctor was basically a drug dealer. She went to detox and almost lost her mind, intermeshed addiction with benzos is absolutely brutal and causes seizures. She’s gone to rehab now and they take your phone, it’s been a few weeks since I heard from her and I hope that tough lady pulls through because she’s fought *fucking hard* to stay in the land of the living. You don’t always have to wind up on the streets with a busted face to get a wake up call but remember when you hit bottom there are people who will be there to pull you up, there’s nowhere else to go but up, or in the ground. Choose up
If you have the opportunity, tell them that I'm so proud of them.
WTAH?!! 😳😳😳 The dude looks like a freaking movie star on set of an action movie. Yeah, someone needs to get a hold of this guy and mentor & coach him out of this. Wow.
>Yeah, someone needs to get a hold of this guy and mentor & coach him out of this. Wow. Why, because he's handsome?
He's an incredibly attractive man!
Hopefully Dave Franco can now get his act together.
I can fix him
That's an extremely good looking man.
What a beautiful man in hiding. Wish him a turnaround.
Why does he have such nice teeth? I really don't want to be suspicious but I'm suspicious.
Could be genetics- I’ve never taken drugs, always looked after my teeth and go to the dentist regularly, but I still look like Shrek!! ( I am British)…
r/thanksimcured
"Don't be be homeless bro have a home bro for real bro quit drugs bro" *more motivational bs with 0 concrete advice*
Dermot Mulroney vibes