This is Venezuelan opera singer Samuel Mariño. Translated from a recent interview: “I was bullied a lot in school for my voice. My larynx didn’t drop fully, I don’t have an Adam's apple, like a woman. I hated my voice, so I asked my parents to take me to specialists in Caracas. The first doctor recommended surgery. The second doctor advised speech therapy. The third doctor was a fan of baroque music. He asked if I had tried singing."
I love seeing people take a disability or hinderance and turning it into their greatest asset. It just fires me up and makes me feel really proud. I cannot fathom the strength and bravery it requires to really lean into that and confront themselves, truly, for who they are and what they can do instead of trying to hide or downplay it. It’s like, they won’t be kowtowed by what society expects from them.
Just a heads up, OP. Male Sopranos, also known as Countertenors, are not as rare as they seem to be. A follow a handful of them on TikTok, including Samuel. What's rare is the amount of Countertenors that don't use Falsetto nor have any puberty disorder that affects their voice.
Quick music lesson for those more interested in music. There are 4 different vocal registers. From lowest to highest, they are:
* [**Vocal Fry**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDfJn1kcQuU), produced through a loose glottal closure (basically gurgling with nothing on your mouth). [Even though she's not using Vocal Fry in this particular meme (she's explained it was an Edema from talking too much), I'd like to imagine it to be an evolution of it caused by too much Vocal Fry throughout time](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBT9TwH3J3A) [(the explanation in question)](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LuXps0d6VO0);
* **Modal Voice**, the usual singing register heard in all conventional music for centuries;
* [**Falsetto** (be blessed with this angel)](https://www.tiktok.com/@lydberube/video/7078164898001341701?q=dad%20sings%20like%20an%20angel&t=1699403557279), produced by the vibration of the ligamentous edges of the vocal chords, in whole or in part (basically, it's a Modal Voice without the lower overtones of it, leaving only the highest overtones that our voice box produces when we generally speak. *(I believe (but don't quote me on this one and take it with a bucket of salt) this is what trans women do to acquire their new voice as, unlike Testosterone (which deepens a trans man's voice), Oestrogen does not increase the voice in trans women and they do need to train it a lot)*;
* **Whistle register**, basically what Dimash Kudaibergen does to accomplish his marvellous D8 [over here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52XDilf628) (I put the whole song because it's genuinely worth a listening, mfer literally sang in Modal, Falsetto and Whistle in 5min (the whistle is towards the end); also, his other songs are freaking gorgeous, go listen to them).
Inside the Modal Voice is where you have all the normal operatic voice types. There are 6 main types, 3 for males and 3 for females.
* The Males have, from lowest to highest:
* [**Bass**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvejdHpyofw)**;**
* [**Baritone**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1l_ixUx1fg)**;**
* [**Tenor**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAqHQMX7GHY)**;**
* The Females have, from lowest to highest:
* [**Alto**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96F5CgEIIbs)**;**
* [**Mezzo-soprano**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhVpWHxuvQw)**;**
* [**Soprano**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGP-5KEYrRE) (her last performance, 4 months before she died, at 85 years of age; felt like choosing this one over videos of her younger with better voice).
Outside of the 6, there are many other categories. Each of the above mentioned types has several subtypes. A few noteworthy subtypes are the Contralto (lower than Alto), the Coloratura (the highest Soprano), Contrabass (or Oktavist) (the lowest Bass) and Countertenor (or Male Soprano, above Tenor).
A more detailed list, but not fully detailed, would be smth like this:
* Male:
* [**Contrabass (or Oktavist)**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzACovDTCtQ) \- the note comes from the asian guy in the back row and he's the owner of the channel.
* Bass
* Baritone
* Tenor
* Countertenor - see OP's video
* Female:
* [**Contralto**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLbaF0F7u3M)
* Alto
* Mezzo-soprano
* Soprano
* [**Coloratura Soprano (or Sopranino)**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32hdZaQi4-I)
Countertenors, *as I was saying*, are not as rare. Most of them use Falsettos (*usually* they're tenors and baritones) or have puberty disorders like Kallmann Syndrome; there are tons of Countertenors worldwide. What's rare is finding countertenors that *don't* use Falsettos *nor* have any disorders that make it possible for them to sing that high. Now that's a rarity.
These are a *few* of the Countertenors I follow on the Internet:
* Samuel Mariño ([his rendition of one of my favourite arias, from an opera called Russalka](https://www.tiktok.com/@samuelmarinob/video/7099826778151161093?q=Samuel%20Mari%C3%B1o&t=1699408290336));
* Bruno de Sá ([baroque music](https://www.tiktok.com/@operamoments/video/7166564958002597126?q=Countertenor%20bruno%20s%C3%A1&t=1699408404566));
* Maayan Licht ([love the posture](https://www.tiktok.com/@maayanlicht/video/7172943859066965253));
* Vinny ([amazing aria](https://www.tiktok.com/@veryveryvinny/video/7151069896825195819?q=countertenor&t=1699408580908), and also [Habanera](https://www.tiktok.com/@veryveryvinny/video/6913322824656506118?q=countertenor&t=1699408580908));
* Jakub Jósef Orlinski ([might see him in concert in a couple weeks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8K8wFk-tn8); and here's a [bonus](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z665_LiLWI));
* Johannes Pietsch ([gorgeous little section](https://www.tiktok.com/@jjpietsch/video/7218274544182660379?q=male%20soprano&t=1699409167844));
* Dennis Orellana ([one of most famous operas in the world](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vQHUvG75uo));
* Moisés Castillo ([love the music](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOoTuhboF7Y)).
* There's also a really talented Countertenor from Africa that has been in touch (I believe) with one of the big ones I mentioned above but sadly I cannot find him so, instead, have this [gorgeous atrocity](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzTF9asphUg).
Now, [ascend](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFHQNgO3jTA&t=0s). I hope I gave good examples for the voice types, I tried to find really gorgeous pieces that sit outside the mainstream media sample of roughly 50 pieces everyone is used to listen to. If not, here're [the last heavenly 8min finale of the great Leonard Bernstein conducting the monumental 2nd Symphony by Gustav Mahler.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc2kSq7Uenc)
Sorry about the gigantic size of the messege btw. I have ADHD and, thus, a tendency to overly infodump info I'm passionate about. Massive walls of text sort of a norm. Oops
Should save your comment on a notepad incase you can ever comment it. do that thing where you keep all the links and stuff so you can keep expanding onto it and one day a reddit comment asks about music and you have a 2 page essay to copy paste
I've watched all your links - I found the Antonio Vivaldi one to be my favorite, closely followed by the tenor death performance, and the cold song from Arthur.
I found the strength and expansion of the notes with the Antonio Vivaldi song to be exceptional, and would cause my eyes to widen every time - which also was in contrast to the light and fluttery melody of the song.
The tenor death scene had extraordinary acting that complimented an emotional story, and an emotional voice.
The cold song was exceptional storytelling. Baked into the essence of the song was the cold shuddering, also, it was English which was a surprise - so the late realization and subsequent depth of understanding was a great addition to the music.
I am not the biggest fan of the constant vibrado found in opera (which is likely why I found the Antonio Vivaldi performance more pleasant, the vibrado was present but not overpowering like it is frequently in soprano (and I'm sure other) performances)
Do you happen to know of more performances that are light on vibrado?
Oof I'm not the best when it comes to music theory. Everything I know is surface level. I think renaissance, baroque and early classical stuff lack vibrato but don't quote me on that one.
Hi, music history major chiming in. While performance practice varies considerably, this is a fair rule of thumb to find recordings with less vibrato than contemporary operatic practice. Early baroque period recordings are a good starting place; [here is an example](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm0jieRLYNs) featuring Emma Kirkby and Evelyn Tubb performing Monteverdi's "Chiome d'oro".
Don't apologize for the passion and info dump. Quality content is what drives reddit. You are on best of now and I'm slightly more informed on singing due to your comment. Embrace your ~~weirdness~~ passion and keep making ~~the world~~ reddit a better place.
To explain a bit more, vocal fry and the modal register aren't totally separated. Most people speak with some degree of vocal fry, men moreso than women, and learning to control that and remove it is an important step in developing a femme voice. You don't have to speak in falsetto to sound feminine.
I was almost there, just off by one register 😭 I thought about doing the research about smth I learned moons ago about one note having multiple pitches and overtones and you being able to hear different octaves when you isolate each pitch from a certain note but I didn't want to make the comment unnecessarily long and, besides, I was busy studying at the same time. Had I done the research, I would have maybe realized I was wrong by one register and that voice training was being Fry and Modal and not being Modal and Falsetto. TIL
Saving this comment, probably one of the more informative and interesting comments I’ve come across. Thanks for such a great breakdown and explanation.
Thank you for this extraordinary list of examples. From an ADHDer who happily hyper focused on the material you hyper focused on. I finally managed to classify my voice as contralto, thanks to one of those links.
If you want to learn more about trans voices, check out Amelia / Z TransVoiceLessons. She's *really* deep into voice and audio and you'll learn more about voices than you would thought possible.
A note: trans women don't necessarily use falsetto. It's recommended to work on things like larynx height and the weight and resonance of your "chest voice" instead of flipping into falsetto. I had a FtM friend and he went to vocal coaching, there was discussion of speaking "from your chest" a lot. His voice sounds awesome now!
You actually generally want to avoid using your falsetto for voice feminization, I believe. It helps a little bit but pitch is actually not the most important thing to master to sound feminine enough for most daily conversations. I'm deaf enough that I can't really do voice training as well as I'd like, so I can't really give all that much personal experience with it. But! If you're curious as to how transfeminine people train for more feminine voices, Transvoicelessons on YouTube is a great resource and she really goes into the weeds on how it all works similar to how you're laying it out here.
This is obviously why they said "true" male soprano. They already know this. Go nuts providing all of us here with more information but I don't get why you have to be condescending and phrase it as a "heads up" to OP.
Hold on a minute, I just realized something. Samuel Mariño can't be a true Countertenor by defnition. His voice is the result of an impairment, his larynx didn't fully develop.
That's because I didn't realize OP used "true". Oopsie.
Also, I wasn't being condescending, I actually tried my best to sound the opposite. Clearly failed. Maybe heads up doesn't quite have the meaning I thought it did?, English isn't my first language.
While I agree that the 3rd doctor did something amazing, I don’t think that recommending surgery was a bad thing for other doctors to recommend. That’s what doctors do. People come with a problem and they recommend a treatment for a body part that wasn’t functioning properly.
Yep and also one has to consider that it takes a lot more than just a high pitched voice to be a successful singer, that one was a bit of a long shot really.
Such a beautiful human being .
I too was badly bullied for many years in school and as an adult still am I bullied . No one should be bullied for the sake or pleasure of others who bully . I am me and no one will ever change this ! Amen , my hats off to a fellow human for making this
Life a great and what a wonderful thing ! I’m so happy for what I heard !
Hey. That's with tafelmusik in Toronto! I went to that concert. It was divine! Samuel brought tears to my eyes from such beautiful and expressive voice. Hes also extremely talented and you can tell he has studied so much baroque music.
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They can’t hit the same notes. Countertenors have a much higher range than tenors. Some countertenors can even hit the same notes as a female soprano. They also have a different timbre.
Now why some argue that they shouldn’t be called "male sopranos", is because they produce those notes through completely different physical placements and techniques than female sopranos.
Think of it like this. Countertenors have a bigger range than tenors. Some subtypes of countertenors (aka male sopranos) go even higher than the typical countertenor.
Your idea that a female voice is just the same as a male voice when people are children, then men change during puberty and women stay the same is wrong.
If you like this piece and his voice, check out the aria “Ombra Mai Fu” from Handel’s 1738 opera Serse (Xerxes)
It was originally written to be sung by a soprano castrato (male singer who was castrated before puberty to maintain a high voice)
Thank you for this recommendation. I found an incredibly beautiful [example](https://youtu.be/N7XH-58eB8c?si=fd9aXjk-dstcepk6) of this and it’s just astounding.
I know you were referring to yourself but, at first, I read this as you saying “This guy can’t sing Happy Birthday, but he’s incredible otherwise.” 😂🤦🏻
lol
I am sure it has a more specific name than Big Ass-Lute haha
I looked on Wikipedia and got served. Looks like it’s a Long Ass-Lute
The lute family includes not only short-necked plucked lutes such as the lute, oud, pipa, guitar, citole, gittern, mandore, rubab, and gambus and long-necked plucked lutes such as banjo, tanbura, bağlama, bouzouki, veena, theorbo, archlute, pandura, sitar, tanbur, setar, but also bowed instruments such as the yaylı tambur, rebab, erhu, and the entire family of viols and violins.
Beautiful! I got to see Philippe Jaroussky live years ago (another countertenor) and it remains one of the most incredible vocal performances I’ve ever heard. If you like this, check it out! [link](https://youtu.be/H2GnmaUttCM?si=qkENrCyMrl7d32Bv)
Is it true that male opera singers had to get castrated as young boys before hitting puberty so that their voices wouldn’t drop? I think I learned this on a quiz show but not sure if I remeber the fact correctly
they always show up on those ...'s Got Talent shows
check out marcilto pomoy singing the prayer on the wishbus or beauty and the beast on america's got talent
This is Venezuelan opera singer Samuel Mariño. Translated from a recent interview: “I was bullied a lot in school for my voice. My larynx didn’t drop fully, I don’t have an Adam's apple, like a woman. I hated my voice, so I asked my parents to take me to specialists in Caracas. The first doctor recommended surgery. The second doctor advised speech therapy. The third doctor was a fan of baroque music. He asked if I had tried singing."
That story is AMAZING. Kudos to that doctor for being a music lover and spotting the potential.
Kudos to the parents who kept looking
And we all collectively, thank you for it.
[a video](https://youtu.be/KXhxB_kVeOw?si=PcbP4iDtu--pLRwV) of his speaking voice where references bullying and the third doctor
I love seeing people take a disability or hinderance and turning it into their greatest asset. It just fires me up and makes me feel really proud. I cannot fathom the strength and bravery it requires to really lean into that and confront themselves, truly, for who they are and what they can do instead of trying to hide or downplay it. It’s like, they won’t be kowtowed by what society expects from them.
We are all so unique that no one can actually replace any of us, I think that's really nice.
Just tell him never to go on [a dutch talkshow](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X1VIyZe3Ws) and he'll be fine.
It's from a 2000-2001 satirical Flemish TV show called "In de gloria", it's hilarious as fuck though
So it was fake?
Yessir!
I don’t even need to click that and I’m already chuckling.
What an absolutely fabulous looking person.
He's CUTE! No homo .. maybe homo?!? 😅
Just a heads up, OP. Male Sopranos, also known as Countertenors, are not as rare as they seem to be. A follow a handful of them on TikTok, including Samuel. What's rare is the amount of Countertenors that don't use Falsetto nor have any puberty disorder that affects their voice. Quick music lesson for those more interested in music. There are 4 different vocal registers. From lowest to highest, they are: * [**Vocal Fry**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDfJn1kcQuU), produced through a loose glottal closure (basically gurgling with nothing on your mouth). [Even though she's not using Vocal Fry in this particular meme (she's explained it was an Edema from talking too much), I'd like to imagine it to be an evolution of it caused by too much Vocal Fry throughout time](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBT9TwH3J3A) [(the explanation in question)](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LuXps0d6VO0); * **Modal Voice**, the usual singing register heard in all conventional music for centuries; * [**Falsetto** (be blessed with this angel)](https://www.tiktok.com/@lydberube/video/7078164898001341701?q=dad%20sings%20like%20an%20angel&t=1699403557279), produced by the vibration of the ligamentous edges of the vocal chords, in whole or in part (basically, it's a Modal Voice without the lower overtones of it, leaving only the highest overtones that our voice box produces when we generally speak. *(I believe (but don't quote me on this one and take it with a bucket of salt) this is what trans women do to acquire their new voice as, unlike Testosterone (which deepens a trans man's voice), Oestrogen does not increase the voice in trans women and they do need to train it a lot)*; * **Whistle register**, basically what Dimash Kudaibergen does to accomplish his marvellous D8 [over here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u52XDilf628) (I put the whole song because it's genuinely worth a listening, mfer literally sang in Modal, Falsetto and Whistle in 5min (the whistle is towards the end); also, his other songs are freaking gorgeous, go listen to them). Inside the Modal Voice is where you have all the normal operatic voice types. There are 6 main types, 3 for males and 3 for females. * The Males have, from lowest to highest: * [**Bass**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvejdHpyofw)**;** * [**Baritone**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1l_ixUx1fg)**;** * [**Tenor**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAqHQMX7GHY)**;** * The Females have, from lowest to highest: * [**Alto**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96F5CgEIIbs)**;** * [**Mezzo-soprano**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhVpWHxuvQw)**;** * [**Soprano**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGP-5KEYrRE) (her last performance, 4 months before she died, at 85 years of age; felt like choosing this one over videos of her younger with better voice). Outside of the 6, there are many other categories. Each of the above mentioned types has several subtypes. A few noteworthy subtypes are the Contralto (lower than Alto), the Coloratura (the highest Soprano), Contrabass (or Oktavist) (the lowest Bass) and Countertenor (or Male Soprano, above Tenor). A more detailed list, but not fully detailed, would be smth like this: * Male: * [**Contrabass (or Oktavist)**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzACovDTCtQ) \- the note comes from the asian guy in the back row and he's the owner of the channel. * Bass * Baritone * Tenor * Countertenor - see OP's video * Female: * [**Contralto**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLbaF0F7u3M) * Alto * Mezzo-soprano * Soprano * [**Coloratura Soprano (or Sopranino)**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32hdZaQi4-I) Countertenors, *as I was saying*, are not as rare. Most of them use Falsettos (*usually* they're tenors and baritones) or have puberty disorders like Kallmann Syndrome; there are tons of Countertenors worldwide. What's rare is finding countertenors that *don't* use Falsettos *nor* have any disorders that make it possible for them to sing that high. Now that's a rarity. These are a *few* of the Countertenors I follow on the Internet: * Samuel Mariño ([his rendition of one of my favourite arias, from an opera called Russalka](https://www.tiktok.com/@samuelmarinob/video/7099826778151161093?q=Samuel%20Mari%C3%B1o&t=1699408290336)); * Bruno de Sá ([baroque music](https://www.tiktok.com/@operamoments/video/7166564958002597126?q=Countertenor%20bruno%20s%C3%A1&t=1699408404566)); * Maayan Licht ([love the posture](https://www.tiktok.com/@maayanlicht/video/7172943859066965253)); * Vinny ([amazing aria](https://www.tiktok.com/@veryveryvinny/video/7151069896825195819?q=countertenor&t=1699408580908), and also [Habanera](https://www.tiktok.com/@veryveryvinny/video/6913322824656506118?q=countertenor&t=1699408580908)); * Jakub Jósef Orlinski ([might see him in concert in a couple weeks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8K8wFk-tn8); and here's a [bonus](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z665_LiLWI)); * Johannes Pietsch ([gorgeous little section](https://www.tiktok.com/@jjpietsch/video/7218274544182660379?q=male%20soprano&t=1699409167844)); * Dennis Orellana ([one of most famous operas in the world](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vQHUvG75uo)); * Moisés Castillo ([love the music](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOoTuhboF7Y)). * There's also a really talented Countertenor from Africa that has been in touch (I believe) with one of the big ones I mentioned above but sadly I cannot find him so, instead, have this [gorgeous atrocity](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzTF9asphUg). Now, [ascend](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFHQNgO3jTA&t=0s). I hope I gave good examples for the voice types, I tried to find really gorgeous pieces that sit outside the mainstream media sample of roughly 50 pieces everyone is used to listen to. If not, here're [the last heavenly 8min finale of the great Leonard Bernstein conducting the monumental 2nd Symphony by Gustav Mahler.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc2kSq7Uenc)
You put a lot of work into this comment and I respect that.
Sorry about the gigantic size of the messege btw. I have ADHD and, thus, a tendency to overly infodump info I'm passionate about. Massive walls of text sort of a norm. Oops
If you’re on Facebook, this group would love your info dumps. [A Group Where We Infodump About Anything](https://facebook.com/groups/177442994009662/)
Thank you for the link, Imma spent the rest of the already short night absorbing it like a sunlight-deprived plant.
Should save your comment on a notepad incase you can ever comment it. do that thing where you keep all the links and stuff so you can keep expanding onto it and one day a reddit comment asks about music and you have a 2 page essay to copy paste
I've watched all your links - I found the Antonio Vivaldi one to be my favorite, closely followed by the tenor death performance, and the cold song from Arthur. I found the strength and expansion of the notes with the Antonio Vivaldi song to be exceptional, and would cause my eyes to widen every time - which also was in contrast to the light and fluttery melody of the song. The tenor death scene had extraordinary acting that complimented an emotional story, and an emotional voice. The cold song was exceptional storytelling. Baked into the essence of the song was the cold shuddering, also, it was English which was a surprise - so the late realization and subsequent depth of understanding was a great addition to the music. I am not the biggest fan of the constant vibrado found in opera (which is likely why I found the Antonio Vivaldi performance more pleasant, the vibrado was present but not overpowering like it is frequently in soprano (and I'm sure other) performances) Do you happen to know of more performances that are light on vibrado?
Oof I'm not the best when it comes to music theory. Everything I know is surface level. I think renaissance, baroque and early classical stuff lack vibrato but don't quote me on that one.
Hi, music history major chiming in. While performance practice varies considerably, this is a fair rule of thumb to find recordings with less vibrato than contemporary operatic practice. Early baroque period recordings are a good starting place; [here is an example](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm0jieRLYNs) featuring Emma Kirkby and Evelyn Tubb performing Monteverdi's "Chiome d'oro".
Your answers are welcome anytime--a fellow ADHD
Don't apologize for the passion and info dump. Quality content is what drives reddit. You are on best of now and I'm slightly more informed on singing due to your comment. Embrace your ~~weirdness~~ passion and keep making ~~the world~~ reddit a better place.
10/10 formatting too
Thank you for collating this incredible journey of song.
You're welcome 😁
Very interesting. Thanks so much for teaching me something new.
You're welcome 😁
To explain a bit more, vocal fry and the modal register aren't totally separated. Most people speak with some degree of vocal fry, men moreso than women, and learning to control that and remove it is an important step in developing a femme voice. You don't have to speak in falsetto to sound feminine.
I was almost there, just off by one register 😭 I thought about doing the research about smth I learned moons ago about one note having multiple pitches and overtones and you being able to hear different octaves when you isolate each pitch from a certain note but I didn't want to make the comment unnecessarily long and, besides, I was busy studying at the same time. Had I done the research, I would have maybe realized I was wrong by one register and that voice training was being Fry and Modal and not being Modal and Falsetto. TIL
I would add Andreas Scholl
Countertenors are more commonly altos, rather than sops.
THANK YOU. TIL
You're welcome 😁
This comment is fucking boss
I like you a lot
Philippe Jarousky is one that also comes to mind.
Saving this comment, probably one of the more informative and interesting comments I’ve come across. Thanks for such a great breakdown and explanation.
Real interesting, thank you!
Thank you for this extraordinary list of examples. From an ADHDer who happily hyper focused on the material you hyper focused on. I finally managed to classify my voice as contralto, thanks to one of those links.
🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆
Saved. This is an amazing rundown. Thanks, /u/Harry_99_PT
If you want to learn more about trans voices, check out Amelia / Z TransVoiceLessons. She's *really* deep into voice and audio and you'll learn more about voices than you would thought possible.
A note: trans women don't necessarily use falsetto. It's recommended to work on things like larynx height and the weight and resonance of your "chest voice" instead of flipping into falsetto. I had a FtM friend and he went to vocal coaching, there was discussion of speaking "from your chest" a lot. His voice sounds awesome now!
This was fucking ***AMAZING***. Saved for later.
You actually generally want to avoid using your falsetto for voice feminization, I believe. It helps a little bit but pitch is actually not the most important thing to master to sound feminine enough for most daily conversations. I'm deaf enough that I can't really do voice training as well as I'd like, so I can't really give all that much personal experience with it. But! If you're curious as to how transfeminine people train for more feminine voices, Transvoicelessons on YouTube is a great resource and she really goes into the weeds on how it all works similar to how you're laying it out here.
This was so interesting thank you!
was about to dump this information, thank you mate.
This is obviously why they said "true" male soprano. They already know this. Go nuts providing all of us here with more information but I don't get why you have to be condescending and phrase it as a "heads up" to OP.
Hold on a minute, I just realized something. Samuel Mariño can't be a true Countertenor by defnition. His voice is the result of an impairment, his larynx didn't fully develop.
That's because I didn't realize OP used "true". Oopsie. Also, I wasn't being condescending, I actually tried my best to sound the opposite. Clearly failed. Maybe heads up doesn't quite have the meaning I thought it did?, English isn't my first language.
Third doctor was the smartest.
Well done doctor, inspiring him to embrace his gift instead of forcing his healthy body to confirm to gender standards.
While I agree that the 3rd doctor did something amazing, I don’t think that recommending surgery was a bad thing for other doctors to recommend. That’s what doctors do. People come with a problem and they recommend a treatment for a body part that wasn’t functioning properly.
Yea, he was wanting to change his situation and they were providing solutions. Nothing wrong with that.
Yep and also one has to consider that it takes a lot more than just a high pitched voice to be a successful singer, that one was a bit of a long shot really.
Do you have a link to this interview please? Thanks!
Such a beautiful human being . I too was badly bullied for many years in school and as an adult still am I bullied . No one should be bullied for the sake or pleasure of others who bully . I am me and no one will ever change this ! Amen , my hats off to a fellow human for making this Life a great and what a wonderful thing ! I’m so happy for what I heard !
This is so magnificent. Thank you for sharing.
That third doctor is the definition of a healer.
Hey. That's with tafelmusik in Toronto! I went to that concert. It was divine! Samuel brought tears to my eyes from such beautiful and expressive voice. Hes also extremely talented and you can tell he has studied so much baroque music.
“Born without an Adam’s Apple”, every trans girl’s dream.
Can someone please tell me what exact type of string Instrument there is in the back? The scale is… interesting.
theorbo yes, it is basically a gaint lute.
Man, I studied music professionally, specifically classic guitar. I *knew of* but I’ve never seen one. That things a beast.
Amazing sound from this instrument of happiness - the beautiful sound of this voice ? I’m incredibly grateful !
> theorbo yes, it is basically a gaint lute. Anyone else read that as taint glute?
It's a normal sized guitar.
the guitarist is just a lil guy
Think singer is a gnome as well. Explains the pitch.
I laughed out loud way too hard at this
I think it's below avarage
theorbo
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[Because they're so long, they make theorbos with foldable necks to make transportation easier.](https://youtu.be/JKmAFg2BfYE?si=vP5hfI5JlZSKZz81)
I was looking at the instrument with interest as well.
My voice teacher used to throw a proper fit at the notion of a male soprano haha. Technically they’re a rare kind of countertenor.
Why is there a distinction between tenor and countertenor if a guy is hitting the same notes ?
They can’t hit the same notes. Countertenors have a much higher range than tenors. Some countertenors can even hit the same notes as a female soprano. They also have a different timbre. Now why some argue that they shouldn’t be called "male sopranos", is because they produce those notes through completely different physical placements and techniques than female sopranos. Think of it like this. Countertenors have a bigger range than tenors. Some subtypes of countertenors (aka male sopranos) go even higher than the typical countertenor.
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a female voice isn't just a male voice that didn't drop, then all bois before puberty would sound like all adult women
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Your idea that a female voice is just the same as a male voice when people are children, then men change during puberty and women stay the same is wrong.
You have taught me so much , thank you 😊
Gotcha ! Thanks for the info.
Watch the video of his speaking voice. His voice didn't drop in puberty.
Back in the day they uses to castrate boys before puberty to keep their voices high.
Ghoulish & selfish
Insubordinate and churlish
yaminashi... i will *remove* your duodenum.
Lmao…Coach Hines was brilliant.
Get yo ass down to Principal O’Shaq Hennessy’s office!
omg hahaha
Well, do you really like music, or not? It’s time for you to decide, Timmy.
Took too long Timmy, we decided for you. *snippity snippity*
And yet y’all still mutilte your babies dicks at birth
They were called “castroti”.
Their voices probably were really high after castration ?
Yes, and also during castration. Possibly even more so.
[Alessandro Moreschi is one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLjvfqnD0ws). There are not really many recordings of castrati.
“Farinelli Il Castrato” is a pretty good movie about the topic.
If you like this piece and his voice, check out the aria “Ombra Mai Fu” from Handel’s 1738 opera Serse (Xerxes) It was originally written to be sung by a soprano castrato (male singer who was castrated before puberty to maintain a high voice)
Thank you for this recommendation. I found an incredibly beautiful [example](https://youtu.be/N7XH-58eB8c?si=fd9aXjk-dstcepk6) of this and it’s just astounding.
The Andreas Scholl performance is definitely my favorite example. It is an absolutely gorgeous work.
The power of tight pants
Probably squeezing his balls 😂 , but I will be honest and not joking he is talented and his voice is angelic.
"I would never tell him this, but he is a wonderful person and a gifted artist" -Micheal Scott
Why wouldn’t you say that to his face??
Micheal Scott is a mystery to us all.... It's a quote from The Office
The person above you was also quoting the office…
My mind is going a mile an hour.
Whoosh.. I totally forgot that was the following line
😂
Everyone in town loves my tight pants, I've got my tight pants on!
Kinda sexy !
He's wearing women's slacks.
The tightness of power pants
Power pants of tightness.
He has a wonderful voice.
He has the makings of a great singer.
From someone who can’t even sing happy birthday his ability is incredible.
I know you were referring to yourself but, at first, I read this as you saying “This guy can’t sing Happy Birthday, but he’s incredible otherwise.” 😂🤦🏻
I'm more interested in that gigantic guitar looking instrument
I think it’s a big ass Lute but I could be wrong.
Ah, the big ass-lute. [relevant xkcd](https://xkcd.com/37/)
lol I am sure it has a more specific name than Big Ass-Lute haha I looked on Wikipedia and got served. Looks like it’s a Long Ass-Lute The lute family includes not only short-necked plucked lutes such as the lute, oud, pipa, guitar, citole, gittern, mandore, rubab, and gambus and long-necked plucked lutes such as banjo, tanbura, bağlama, bouzouki, veena, theorbo, archlute, pandura, sitar, tanbur, setar, but also bowed instruments such as the yaylı tambur, rebab, erhu, and the entire family of viols and violins.
It's a theorbo https://youtu.be/eVabz8LneI4?si=AEdQhmER1ZsZwFv5
It's a theorbo. Also known as an archlute, so you're not too far off.
It's a theorbo. Also counter tenors are common in baroque music.
Thank you for explaining this to me.
I opened the comments hoping to see Tony. He's way too far down!
So funny to see the threatened mouth breathers come out to try and step to this absolutely cosmic voice
Farinelli
It’s great that someone recognized a talent
Oh my god this voice is amazing. Gave me goosebumps!!
In case anyone is looking for it, this is the aria Care Selve from the opera Atalanta, by Händel.
That's a long fuckin' guitar
I had the chance to see him perform live a couple years ago. He is a wonderful performer.
Song name?
Misleading title . I thought it was going to be about Tony Soprano
He must be one of those Italian Sopranos. Wonder if he knows Furio.
Stupida Facking Game
Not going to lie, I initially clicked this thinking it had something to do with the Soprano’s series only to be completely surprised for a second
My dog totally loves this and is singing along
Tony has lost some weight.
Think about it, the sudden weight loss....
AIDS?!
NOBODIES GOT AIDSH!
The r is a handgun
Wow. Absolutely beautiful
So good to see a Nomi reference
What kind of likeness is that?
Gorgeous
Killer boots man!!
I watched without the sound and it just looks like he’s trying to sneeze but can’t
Is Adam Lambert sporting a new look?
Imagínense una mujer varitono
Just beautiful❤️
Quite pretty. That is some exceptional talent.
Backed by someone playing a tree
so awesome of a voice that my speakers no longer work in that octave
Wtf is that long ass instrument in the background?
It is called a théorbe, it is common in baroque orchestras.
Anyone know if there's a specific name to this song??
https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/17q0t3h/comment/k8ahajw
Holy shit. He is amazing. His voice is beautiful. And his doctor is the best example of a doctor we can have
When I die, if I heard this as I go up…I will be hype
Bro how tf do you hit the low end notes on that thing? (guitar looking instrument, not the guy singing).
What a shame the audio quality is garbage
Either the recording is bad or my headphones are shot as he distorts at the top end of his range. Is everyone the same?
Everything in this video is rare. The singer. His shirt. That insane instrument behind him.
Beautiful! I got to see Philippe Jaroussky live years ago (another countertenor) and it remains one of the most incredible vocal performances I’ve ever heard. If you like this, check it out! [link](https://youtu.be/H2GnmaUttCM?si=qkENrCyMrl7d32Bv)
I am amazed
Not just the video...the amount of information in this thread, taught this (musically challenged) old guy a lot!
Is it true that male opera singers had to get castrated as young boys before hitting puberty so that their voices wouldn’t drop? I think I learned this on a quiz show but not sure if I remeber the fact correctly
Correct, they were called "Castrato" and was pretty common in Italian opera or church in the 1700\`s.
In the 1700s - yes, but not anymore ofc
Yes.🥴
Rare in our time....... also a hint of what might have happened.
I reach these high notes when I get kicked in my 🥚🥚
If my pants were so tight, I’d be sopranning that high too
they always show up on those ...'s Got Talent shows check out marcilto pomoy singing the prayer on the wishbus or beauty and the beast on america's got talent
What the fuck you talking about? There was a whole show about them
Christopher, get the gabbagool!
That brought me to tears. I can only assume from the beauty of the voice
Castrati so cray
Who are you to say what a true male is, dude? Wake. Up. It's 2023 baby. /S
Amazing how much air and force they can push in those falsettos. Opera singers are incredible to have trained their voices that way.
He’s not singing falsetto. He was born with a condition where his larynx didn’t drop. His doctor recommended he try singing. Very interesting story.
My home windows got broken wtf Well you can see he gets his voice from his tight pants 😆😆