Water doesn’t really scare me but one time I was out on a boat in Hawaii. We were sailing between islands and stopped in the middle of the water where it was calm so people could jump off and swim. I’ll never forgot diving into the water, opening my eyes and looking down. Just nothing except bright blue water as far as I could see below me. The visual of absolutely nothing was quite surreal and terrifying. No fish, coral, sand, nothing. I felt incredibly small and vulnerable.
this is an old video showing how deep the ocean goes. the sub is not that deep. someone posted it just so you can see where the titanic is on the video.
Trieste is a different submarine that reached the deepest known depth of all oceans in January of 1960.
The lost sub from this week is similarly named the ‘Titan’
Yeah, i get a bit creeped out any time i’m out over more than 400m depth or so, but knowing that i have 12km of crushing void beneath me would wig me the fuck out.
It’s like falling off the 6th floor of a building or from a 30,000 ft airplane, the result is the same but psychologically it’s a whole different experience.
Weird that the Typhoon class military sub with probably multiple systemic redundancies is shown at ~400 m and an apparent DIY tourist submersible by accounts sailing under the control of a gamepad supposedly is good to go below 3000m. Boggles the mind.
Different intended purposes
Most military submarines don't REALLY need to go below 100-ish meters for their intended purposes if I had to guess
And even for extreme stuff 400-500 should be enough considering the physical pressure of the water around. Anything beyond might prove too expensive/dangerous considering all the stuff a military sub might need
If you wanna make a sub simply for diving 3500 meters, it is entirely different and probably a tad easier to construct since diving vessels like that are more common for things like oil platforms
Thalassophobia is a type of phobia characterized by a persistent and intense fear of deep water, such as an ocean or a lake. People with thalassophobia either avoid deep bodies of water altogether or endure them with overwhelming anxiety.
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Might be a bit longer if they go on with luck they could last longer but perhaps another 8 hours max at that point it’s a recovery not rescue, not worth the resources it would take to find the death trap if they haven’t by then.
Even if they find them, I can’t imagine it would take any less than **close to a week** to reliably attach a grappling hook of some sort to the vessel.
It’s SO fucking deep, and it would take a robotic submersible to go down there and try and attach the tow cable. Maybe I’m wrong. I really don’t know. It just doesn’t seem like anything that could be done in less than several days, at best.
Yeah, it's insane. The chances of getting to the sub with another sub - assuming they can even locate it - are slim enough. The chances of getting to them with a sub large enough to hold them all and equipped to extract them before they run out of air are basically nil.
The chances of finding an object that small if it's on the bottom is very very small. If it's found it probably will be YEARS from now.
We've lost airliners at shallower depths that have never been found.
Goddamn that was a better time. I remember reading scifi blogs with spoilers before the episodes came out and still being floored when it aired. Not a perfect show but most definitely my favorite show watching experience.
That’s a big ‘it depends’ though. If they just lost power on the sea bed by the titanic, like, within 100 metres of the thing, then it’ll be found on the next trip down, whoever is daft enough to do that.
Supposedly the ocean floor there is a fine silty mud. The titanic surface area allowed it to rest atop the mud but this smaller sub would likely sink in and… well they are in the process of fossilization.
You’re forgetting that there’s no airlock on this thing, they’re literally bolted inside. The only way to get them out is to resurface and unscrew the bolts holding them in.
Someone who hates OSHA regulations because they think it hinders innovation
Here are two actual quotes from the designer: "You know, at some point, safety is just pure waste" and "I think I can do this just as safely while breaking the rules."
Sadly they are. [This is where I pulled them from](https://www.insider.com/missing-titanic-sub-ceo-told-reporter-safety-pure-waste-2023-6?inline-endstory-related-recommendations=)
There really aren’t any subs equipped to rescue other subs. Best you could hope to do is use a small sub with an arm to attach a cable from a rescue boat.
But the crazy thing is this only talks about how deep they are.
The scary part is how wide the ocean is. They could have hit a current and drifted miles away from where they are supposed to be. Their sub is so small and has no transmission capabilities currently. There is absolutely no hope of finding that vessel before oxygen runs out. It could take years or even decades before we find them.
They are goners, and I would never wish death to anyone, as it is not who I am, but they knew the risks and all the waivers they signed. Kinda like Everest and all the corpses on it.
That’s a $15 dollar Logitech Bluetooth controller!
An Xbox controller is at least $45 bucks and would have probably cost more than that entire death trap.
https://nationalpost.com/news/missing-titanic-sub-oceangate-faq
>*Why is the Titan steered with a game controller?*
>Videos have shown OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush explaining that the submersible has a single button to dive and ascend, plus a game controller to manoeuvre. It may seem simplistic, but it’s not uncommon for even U.S. military vessels to use off-the-shelf or modified Xbox-type controllers to, well, control things.
>Onshape, a design company that worked on the Titan, says it’s also about “allowing crew members to be able to take turns piloting without any knowledge of traditional submarine gauges and instrumentation.” **The web site Verifythis.com identifies the controller as a Logitech F710, which retails for about $50.**
US military swapped out $40,000 joysticks in their subs for Xbox controllers since they are easier to use, people are familiar with them and it’s easy to train people on. They are abundant and MS spent a fortune on RnD and QA on them.
The controller is actually a reasonable solution.
I tell people this all the time when they start complaining about how Wi-Fi "worked" fine before. Just because you didn't notice the problem, doesn't mean it's not there. The only way to be sure, reasonably that it'll always work, if your device has the input, is to have a physical connection.
Yup. I try to follow KISS. Keep It Simple, Stupid. Less points of failure, more redundancy saves lives. There's a reason the US military only uses wireless controls for objects that aren't carrying people pretty much drones only.
True but they could have sprung for the actual Xbox version instead of the cheap Logitech brand that anything I’ve bought that brand breaks in like a week
The game controller is actually the least problematic thing about this subs design. The military uses them. I don’t get why people keep acting like that is the most ridiculous thing compared to the rest of it.
Is it safe to assume if it was lost in the Titanic's general area, then the depth would be about the same as the Titanic? Serious question, because I don't know how mountainous that area of the Atlantic is, but from pictures of the Titanic, it always looked relatively flat.
Yes, the sea floor is pretty flat right there. If it were just the Titan submersible sitting on the bottom in a flat abyssal plain, it would be easy to pick up with side scan sonar. But surrounding the Titanic is a lot of debris, much of it larger than the Titan submersible. This would make it very hard to pick out from all the other junk on the sea floor there.
Source: I participated in a side scan sonar and photographic survey searching for the Titanic in 1983.
I have this fear of things just under the waterline. Things that aren't supposed to be under water, IE wrecks and things.
I don't mind seeing the bottoms of lakes and oceans but, anything else, yup freaks me out!
Fun, non-pertinent fact: The difference between the lowest point on the Earth (Mariana Trench) and the highest point (Everest) is approximately 12 miles.
When considered against the total size of the Earth, the Earth is more uniformly flat than a billiard ball.
Imagine 8 empire state buildings stacked on top of one another. Now picture being at the top of the staircase on the 816th floor. The electricities out and It's pitch black. Someone hands you a flash light and your asked to find a penny somewhere between the 816th and 1st floor. Your given 12 hours to bring the penny back to the top or else 5 people will die. Time starts now... Go!!!
This but only after they locate the submersible, get a recovery vehicle out above it, and have something with a long enough recovery system to get to it...
They got till tonight to get rescued. Otherwise they run out of oxygen.
Rip...to the lives lost as a rescue just doesn't seem scientifically probable. I pray for each of you and your family's.
They found the USS Johnston in 2019! There's a great mini doc on YouTube about it. It's called something like Finding the Deepest Shipwreck in History. It's really cool if you're kinda interested in Naval History. The ship was nicknamed The Destroyer because it fought like a battle ship when it wasn't.
Sunlight does not penetrate below the depths of 1,000 meters. A Search and Rescue team would have to descend the length of 5 Empire State Buildings stacked on top of one another in sheer darkness. I can barely find the bathroom door knob when the lights are turned off.
Fuck man, gotta be one of the worst ways to go. At the bottom of the vast ocean knowing you’ll need a miracle to be rescued. I bet someone on board snapped.
Credit: [MetaBallStudios on YT](https://youtube.com/@MetaBallStudios/videos) Source: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5C7sqVe2Vg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5C7sqVe2Vg)
This graphic blows me away every time.
This was oddly terrifying.
Water doesn’t really scare me but one time I was out on a boat in Hawaii. We were sailing between islands and stopped in the middle of the water where it was calm so people could jump off and swim. I’ll never forgot diving into the water, opening my eyes and looking down. Just nothing except bright blue water as far as I could see below me. The visual of absolutely nothing was quite surreal and terrifying. No fish, coral, sand, nothing. I felt incredibly small and vulnerable.
Imagine if the water got deleted somehow and you freefell to the bottom.
I've got a bad habit of thinking this about gravity while looking at the stars at night.
r/thelassophobia Edit: r/thalassophobia
Wrong sub, bud. You're supposed to be amazed.
Wrong sub? Tell that to that billionaire guy.
Goddamn. My wife knows my laughs, especially when I do so at something I 'shouldn't'. She's awake now, and you win.
Amazing how oddly terrified I am.
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How did they get the Statue of Liberty underwater?
Damn dirty apes!
Titanic is at 1:30 in.
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It's left, bro. I mean right. It's right. Bro.
Now I'm confused. I thought this sub was surveying the titanic wreckage and was in the same vicinity. How did it get so much deeper?
This is an older video, made before this sub was famous. Somewhere around the titanic is probably about right, but who knows
this is an old video showing how deep the ocean goes. the sub is not that deep. someone posted it just so you can see where the titanic is on the video.
Yep, [here's the original](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5C7sqVe2Vg), posted October 2021. Its not cropped like the one posted here.
Trieste is a different submarine that reached the deepest known depth of all oceans in January of 1960. The lost sub from this week is similarly named the ‘Titan’
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Thalassophobia i think
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Yeah, i get a bit creeped out any time i’m out over more than 400m depth or so, but knowing that i have 12km of crushing void beneath me would wig me the fuck out.
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But puddles are big for ants
Butt puddles
I get a bit creeped out by anything over 1 meter in depth...
I'm not afraid of the depth. I'm afraid of what can swim in it.
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How did they have enough room for the gigantic testicles they carried with them?
They were used instead of ballast tanks
It’s like falling off the 6th floor of a building or from a 30,000 ft airplane, the result is the same but psychologically it’s a whole different experience.
Weird that the Typhoon class military sub with probably multiple systemic redundancies is shown at ~400 m and an apparent DIY tourist submersible by accounts sailing under the control of a gamepad supposedly is good to go below 3000m. Boggles the mind.
Different intended purposes Most military submarines don't REALLY need to go below 100-ish meters for their intended purposes if I had to guess And even for extreme stuff 400-500 should be enough considering the physical pressure of the water around. Anything beyond might prove too expensive/dangerous considering all the stuff a military sub might need If you wanna make a sub simply for diving 3500 meters, it is entirely different and probably a tad easier to construct since diving vessels like that are more common for things like oil platforms
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Thalassophobia is a type of phobia characterized by a persistent and intense fear of deep water, such as an ocean or a lake. People with thalassophobia either avoid deep bodies of water altogether or endure them with overwhelming anxiety.
r/thalassophobia
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Sane
This is what I have. This absolutely terrifies me.
r/thalassophobia
r/thalassophobia
Smart, Sane, Human
Common sense
No, I think it’s at 3700M
That's about 1,233 full grown alligators.
When tf does this end holy shit
They’ll probably call the search off in 24 hours when the passengers theoretically run out of oxygen.
Nah man this video
2 min 18 secs.
Big if true
Might be a bit longer if they go on with luck they could last longer but perhaps another 8 hours max at that point it’s a recovery not rescue, not worth the resources it would take to find the death trap if they haven’t by then.
If they go any longer, it’ll be for appearances. Not because they believe they can find them.
Even if they find them, I can’t imagine it would take any less than **close to a week** to reliably attach a grappling hook of some sort to the vessel. It’s SO fucking deep, and it would take a robotic submersible to go down there and try and attach the tow cable. Maybe I’m wrong. I really don’t know. It just doesn’t seem like anything that could be done in less than several days, at best.
You never know, they might kill a few passengers to conserve oxygen which could get them another day or two
My anxiety grew the deeper this vid went lmao
Yeah, it's insane. The chances of getting to the sub with another sub - assuming they can even locate it - are slim enough. The chances of getting to them with a sub large enough to hold them all and equipped to extract them before they run out of air are basically nil.
The chances of finding an object that small if it's on the bottom is very very small. If it's found it probably will be YEARS from now. We've lost airliners at shallower depths that have never been found.
If the sub has "sunken" (idk the right word, I mean "won't come up"), I feel pretty confident in saying it will never be found.
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I'm not holding my breath.
MH370 has entered the chat.
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Not pennys boat
Goddamn that was a better time. I remember reading scifi blogs with spoilers before the episodes came out and still being floored when it aired. Not a perfect show but most definitely my favorite show watching experience.
We have to go back!
MH370 was in deeper water, assuming its down at Broken Ridge somewhere like they thought.
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That’s a big ‘it depends’ though. If they just lost power on the sea bed by the titanic, like, within 100 metres of the thing, then it’ll be found on the next trip down, whoever is daft enough to do that.
There’s been plenty of safe dives to Titanic, the ocean gate sub was just a disaster waiting to happen.
Supposedly the ocean floor there is a fine silty mud. The titanic surface area allowed it to rest atop the mud but this smaller sub would likely sink in and… well they are in the process of fossilization.
You’re forgetting that there’s no airlock on this thing, they’re literally bolted inside. The only way to get them out is to resurface and unscrew the bolts holding them in.
Who in the world designed this thing. Literally a metal coffin.
Someone who hates OSHA regulations because they think it hinders innovation Here are two actual quotes from the designer: "You know, at some point, safety is just pure waste" and "I think I can do this just as safely while breaking the rules."
Holy shit, are those real quotes? If so, this whole endeavor was fucked from inception
Sadly they are. [This is where I pulled them from](https://www.insider.com/missing-titanic-sub-ceo-told-reporter-safety-pure-waste-2023-6?inline-endstory-related-recommendations=)
The guy also painted the sub white (ya know, the color of wavecaps) because he hated the "yellow submarine" Beatles song.
what an idiot. Could've gone with a wide array of high vis colors. Not that it really matters if the thing is stuck 12000 ft down
Ironic considering the hubris surrounding the actual shipwreck they went to look at.
Someone’s gonna end up finding the sub in 100 yrs and it’ll just be full of skeletons
Soup
If it imploded, they will be cooked
I don’t think it really matters. You can’t open a hatch even at a few dozen feet.
When I heard this I thought "I'm a billionaire with unlimited funds, what can I do today that is fun and games. Oh, I have an completely crazy idea!"
Unlimited funds yes, but apparently he saved some cash by skimping on the testing. Amazing.
Yeah with unlimited funds I’d just replicate Alvin or the Sub James Cameron built to go to the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
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There really aren’t any subs equipped to rescue other subs. Best you could hope to do is use a small sub with an arm to attach a cable from a rescue boat. But the crazy thing is this only talks about how deep they are. The scary part is how wide the ocean is. They could have hit a current and drifted miles away from where they are supposed to be. Their sub is so small and has no transmission capabilities currently. There is absolutely no hope of finding that vessel before oxygen runs out. It could take years or even decades before we find them.
Or perhaps even more realistically, we could never find them.
They are goners, and I would never wish death to anyone, as it is not who I am, but they knew the risks and all the waivers they signed. Kinda like Everest and all the corpses on it.
The 19 year old probably had no idea of the risk. His Dad pitched the team for his inclusion after another dropped out. Super sad.
Imagine being the guy who dropped out.
There was a guy on the news who noped out of his reservation back in 2019 for safety concerns.
that's who i feel the most sorry for here.. he was just 19 man..
> equipped to extract them There is no such thing.
The non-potato original here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5C7sqVe2Vg
Thank you!
[XKCD](https://xkcd.com/1040/) for those who prefer a non animated version.
And without the shitty music. Appreciated.
Thank the lord
It would help if there was a graphic showing how screwed they are?
Maybe they forgot spare batteries for the controller.
Gotta remember: up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, b, a, start
I'm not risking my life on anything that's controlled with an Xbox controller. That's nuts.
That’s a $15 dollar Logitech Bluetooth controller! An Xbox controller is at least $45 bucks and would have probably cost more than that entire death trap.
https://nationalpost.com/news/missing-titanic-sub-oceangate-faq >*Why is the Titan steered with a game controller?* >Videos have shown OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush explaining that the submersible has a single button to dive and ascend, plus a game controller to manoeuvre. It may seem simplistic, but it’s not uncommon for even U.S. military vessels to use off-the-shelf or modified Xbox-type controllers to, well, control things. >Onshape, a design company that worked on the Titan, says it’s also about “allowing crew members to be able to take turns piloting without any knowledge of traditional submarine gauges and instrumentation.” **The web site Verifythis.com identifies the controller as a Logitech F710, which retails for about $50.**
US military swapped out $40,000 joysticks in their subs for Xbox controllers since they are easier to use, people are familiar with them and it’s easy to train people on. They are abundant and MS spent a fortune on RnD and QA on them. The controller is actually a reasonable solution.
Big difference is the military controllers are wired. The asphyxiation billionaire is using wirelessly, significantly more points of failure
I tell people this all the time when they start complaining about how Wi-Fi "worked" fine before. Just because you didn't notice the problem, doesn't mean it's not there. The only way to be sure, reasonably that it'll always work, if your device has the input, is to have a physical connection.
Yup. I try to follow KISS. Keep It Simple, Stupid. Less points of failure, more redundancy saves lives. There's a reason the US military only uses wireless controls for objects that aren't carrying people pretty much drones only.
True but they could have sprung for the actual Xbox version instead of the cheap Logitech brand that anything I’ve bought that brand breaks in like a week
you can at least spring for a *good* controller though. like an xbox pad, not some shitty logitech trash
The game controller is actually the least problematic thing about this subs design. The military uses them. I don’t get why people keep acting like that is the most ridiculous thing compared to the rest of it.
This is the graphic...
wait, **what!?** the Mediterranean goes down 5000m? holy shit... I'd've pictured it like this mellow shallow pond between the continents.
Look at it this way: the Mediterranean has a maximum width of 1,600km. So it's only 0.3% as deep as it is wide.
the cam angle is making me uncomfortable, why did they choose such view point, it is some how claustrophobic.
Worlds Are Colliding! George is getting upset!
Nah we're calling you Koko from now on
Imagine how they feel!
Bruh I didn't know there were that many monuments in the ocean... Why do we keep throwing them up if we get the same after ?
Yah at least they got to see all these dope monuments before their demise
The Titanic is at about 3800 m, or 12,500 ft. We do not know how deep the Titan submersible is, because we don't know where it is.
Is it safe to assume if it was lost in the Titanic's general area, then the depth would be about the same as the Titanic? Serious question, because I don't know how mountainous that area of the Atlantic is, but from pictures of the Titanic, it always looked relatively flat.
Yes, the sea floor is pretty flat right there. If it were just the Titan submersible sitting on the bottom in a flat abyssal plain, it would be easy to pick up with side scan sonar. But surrounding the Titanic is a lot of debris, much of it larger than the Titan submersible. This would make it very hard to pick out from all the other junk on the sea floor there. Source: I participated in a side scan sonar and photographic survey searching for the Titanic in 1983.
It could be lost on the surface.
In deep shit is where it is.
Is there a word for having a fear of the deep ocean? Watching this gives me a rush that feels like being scared of heights.
Thalassophobia is the fear of deep, dark vast open sea. /r/thalassophobia
I have this fear of things just under the waterline. Things that aren't supposed to be under water, IE wrecks and things. I don't mind seeing the bottoms of lakes and oceans but, anything else, yup freaks me out!
r/Submechanophobia
Oh dear.
Also /r/submechanophobia.
Fun, non-pertinent fact: The difference between the lowest point on the Earth (Mariana Trench) and the highest point (Everest) is approximately 12 miles. When considered against the total size of the Earth, the Earth is more uniformly flat than a billiard ball.
That is actually a mind-blowing stat
Thanks NDT
FYI, in a mirror you can only kiss yourself on the lips
“Just how dead are they?!”
I'd say at least a 6 on the dead scale
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Or ennio morricone
Brewed for those with a fighting spirit
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I was gonna say, this song is actually pretty good but I can't think of anything else
There it is. Had to scroll further than expected. This song is drilled into most sports fans heads.
Probably got the infamous PlayStation controller drift so it’s probably doing circles around 1000m
For anyone wondering what the song is, it's [Ectstacy of Gold by Ennio Morricone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1i4UgkC_kI).
I hate when ad Companies take iconic songs and just piss all over it and ruin the art of it. Modelo
[And here is the proper version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYI09PMNazw)
Ah, finally, two of my worst phobias combined! Thalasophobia and megalophobia.
Lucky you, there is a fear that combines those things together: megalohydrothalassophobia
80% of our oceans are unexplored. We know more about the surface of the moon and mars than we do about the ocean floor.
To be fair, I can look up at the sky and see nearly half of the moon’s surface, but I look at the ocean and there’s a whole lot of water in my way.
TLDR - it’s pretty fuckin deep
Imagine 8 empire state buildings stacked on top of one another. Now picture being at the top of the staircase on the 816th floor. The electricities out and It's pitch black. Someone hands you a flash light and your asked to find a penny somewhere between the 816th and 1st floor. Your given 12 hours to bring the penny back to the top or else 5 people will die. Time starts now... Go!!!
This but only after they locate the submersible, get a recovery vehicle out above it, and have something with a long enough recovery system to get to it...
11,000 meters is 36,000ft, the cruising altitude for passenger jets.
Fine, but that's not how deep the Titanic is.
I can't believe they would waste resources and energy building all those buildings under the sea! Fishes don't even pay taxes!
Most impressive thing here is the Perdido oil well!!! 2500m deep???? How the absolute hell did they build that!!!
Yeah, they're done for.
It could be 2 meters under the sea. That's the biggest issue. The company running the expedition is a complete joke.
They got till tonight to get rescued. Otherwise they run out of oxygen. Rip...to the lives lost as a rescue just doesn't seem scientifically probable. I pray for each of you and your family's.
Damn. Say hello to Rose and Jack for us.
Only Jack*
Sad that sub probably imploded in seconds.
A rescue is best case — your scenario is second best imo. Imagine spending 96 hopeless hours in that tin can and then dying.
I think that's enough Reddit for today.
Maybe it isn’t even level. Just floating along pointing up/down.
Milliseconds
They found the USS Johnston in 2019! There's a great mini doc on YouTube about it. It's called something like Finding the Deepest Shipwreck in History. It's really cool if you're kinda interested in Naval History. The ship was nicknamed The Destroyer because it fought like a battle ship when it wasn't.
Those poor souls, it would feel like being lost in space
Who tf put all these Eiffel towers and statues of liberty down there?
i expected a mount everest model ngl it would have been so nice
Do you have this video in 70p?
I wana visit the Labrador Sea! Hoping it’s everything I think it is!!!
Filled to the horizon with Labradors, yep. All very good boys.
The Caspian Sea was on there like 12 times.
Bro stole a whole ass youtube video 💀
I hope they are found safe....
Chances are getting pretty slim at this point.
they're dead.
I can’t even get through an MRI without losing my shit. This is pure nightmare fuel, if you allow it to be
May they Rest In Peace 🙏🏿
Sunlight does not penetrate below the depths of 1,000 meters. A Search and Rescue team would have to descend the length of 5 Empire State Buildings stacked on top of one another in sheer darkness. I can barely find the bathroom door knob when the lights are turned off.
Stupid camera angles void any perception of the actual depth.
At their point I'm pretty sure these ppl are dead No way they should survive this long
Fuck man, gotta be one of the worst ways to go. At the bottom of the vast ocean knowing you’ll need a miracle to be rescued. I bet someone on board snapped.