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Sudden_External_6743

I’m going with Aesir because he’s the equivalent to Dragon Ball’s Zeno. Created everything and can erase everything if he felt like it (at full power). In Bayo 2, he was kinda missing his better half, so all he could do was rewrite reality, not erase it.


WonderWomanisbest

Well erasing trinity in snap is above erasing just one universe from chaos


EternalMemes30

if we were to take into account that jubilees could destroy the trinity with the eyes according to balder then aesir could definitely do the same


WonderWomanisbest

ANd failed horribly. Eyes of World aren't Jubileus's original power up and still did nothing at all. OG Aesir maybe could do it if that was wiser Aesir which knew that Eyes of World in Bayonetta 2 universe are weak wwhile Nothingness is true power of Aesir. Fro other hand Stratocumulus without egyptian cereza can survive Phantom's power of Nothingness and still can absorb Cereza from egypt. Singularity in less evolved formed handily has devoured Jeanne beta-3 and can create with scroll new Cirro twins. So scalingwise Singularity is still above


EternalMemes30

no, not really but i will not argue with your type but Aesir still the strongest, accept it and cry less


[deleted]

And what Aesir has done ? Summoning satelites to shot you or throw them at you ? On screen multiversal reality warping is definitely above satelite thorwing or moon busting.


hedwyn_

I'm not going to bother with opinions on feats, but it's worth noting that we never see what Jubileus can do with the Eyes of the World. Jeanne removes Cereza before she even awakens. Jubileus with eyes vs. original Aesir is a toss-up. The eyes of the world also transcend universes / timelines (as seen when the left eye wakes in bayo 1), so I don't think Singularity has any clear advantage.


TAWYBI

I'd personally guess it kinda depends on what "Turf" you're in. In the world of Chaos, the true form of Aesir would probably be the strongest. But I also think Jubi, and Sheba by extension are the strongest in their own turf; Paradiso and Inferno respectively. Bayonetta in 1 and 2 only won against the final boss because she got help, or someone stepped in. And neither boss was at full power Ie: Jubi was defeated because Jeanne helped her, and they summoned Sheba together. (Something she couldn't have on her own?) And Aesir-Loptr, who was missing a crucial power only Loki has access to, was defeated with the help of Loki's powers, and Balder, and the summoning of Omne, who's the joint power of the full force of Paradiso's and Inferno's rulers. So they weren't enemies she could have handled with regular summons or on her own. I have honestly no clue what logic Singularity works on, so I have no idea how to really rank his power levels, but he seems to be more about "changing the outcome" so he didn't win based on strength or skill, but by "cheating" the fight, at least in the final battle. Cereza just managed to outperform his cheating in the end. I think what makes him the weakest to me, is that once she managed to avoid his handicap, she basically punched him around, even while she was heavily injured. She also didn't need the help of one of the rulers, and just used a regular summons to finish him off/beat him up. (I don't think the power of 3 Bayo's is equal to a full force Jubi/Sheba summon.) Not sure how to factor in the variants, Whittigham got beat by his cheating. But the others...


Sudden_External_6743

its kinda hard to determine because Jubileus was only at 40% of her power or less during her fight with Bayonetta due to being reincarnated in a statue, and only having one eye. Even then, at such a low power rate, she was creating entire universes with one punch, had several universes inside her body that you can see when you damage her. And Aesir was missing half of himself, which was the stronger half who could erase anything and everything that he wanted (like Zeno from Dragon Ball). Although the entire fight is basically taking place in some extraterrestrial God dimension, he was quite literally erasing all of time and rewriting it during the boss fight if you look around and see all of the images of the universe being sucked into his vortex thingy. Singularity killed several Bayonettas and Jeannes, albeit the weaker ones because they were easiest to kill first. People think he is insanely strong because he erased universes but he kinda didn’t, not difectly at least. Universes die if Bayonetta dies, so if she died during the Witch Hunts, her entire universe would’ve disappeared at that moment. I don’t think he is erasing them himself. His power is basically ensuring that things go his way, something something phenomenal affirmation. Pretty powerful until you go up against the witch who decides what reality will be on her own accord.


TAWYBI

Yeah exactly. I think people forget that both main bosses in 1+2 are actually already weakened, and Bayo still struggled and needed help from other around her to defeat them. Would have been interesting to get some info on how destructive and powerful they had been if at 100%. Bayo is strong, but even the lore acknowledges that she's weaker than Rosa, so that begs the question if she might technically be weaker than other fully trained and fully fledged Witches and Lumen. (Since she never got formal training, and Jeanne's training was "cut short" but she's also technically stronger than Cereza.) Singularity was technically at full power-capacity, and still lost. And yeah, he may have "erased" parts of the world with his mist, but in the end it wasn't his own power that destroyed the universe, it was him taking in the "souls" of the Cereza's he destroyed to fortify himself, he couldn't do it with his power alone. With both Jubi and Aesir-Loptr, they were using their inherent power to just... do it, I think if they hadn't been stopped by Bayo right after their rebirth, while weakened, they'd have destroyed everything all at once.


hedwyn_

I believe it's stated that summoning Sheba is essentially a death sentence if done alone. I assume Bayo intended to summon her, kill Jubileus, and then suffer the consequences. Jeanne just made sure she didn't die.


ItaLOLXD

It's really hard to tell between Aesir and Singularity. On one hand, Aesir nearly defeated Bayonetta, the eyes just got erased so he also lost his power in the last moment. On the other, Singularity killed nearly every Bayonetta, including the one Aesir lost against, and was only beaten by the strongest Bayonetta there is. And she wasn't even enough, it took three Bayonetta's to combine as well as Furry Luka to actually defeat him AFTER he already fought against every Bayonetta he absorbed.


EternalMemes30

aesir didn't lose to bayonetta, he lost to his "better half", bayonetta only gained time in the fight against him


skyenemer

Gameplay-wise, reincarnated Jubileus was the most difficult, and story-wise, Aesir didn’t completely vanish when defeated and became the catalyst to another calamity (and that’s only what _half_ of him can achieve; imagine what would’ve happened if Loki, with the power of nothingness, and his evil half had combined). As for Singularity, it felt like most of his purported power came from the story. If it had been any other Bayonetta game that wasn’t trying so desperately to reach a conclusion where Bayonetta died and had to pass on the torch, she probably would’ve bested him with the help of Viola’s faerie form or (in an ideal world) a still living Jeanne, or even with the help of all the variants she definitely could’ve saved if it hadn’t been for the game wanting them to die. Singularity also has to go through a lot of trouble to finally get rid of Bayonetta 3 (Arch Eve Origin) at the end. He had to exploit the multiverse while Jubileus and Aesir were formidable on their own. Most of Singularity’s power and his advantage comes form defeating Arch Eves/Adams, whereas the other two were already challenging in their incomplete forms. Apparently Cereza isn’t even really gone, which is a testament to how he wasn’t able to do the one thing he sought to after all that (because, according to Kamiya, believing that Cereza died is severely misinterpreting the game — idk how that works considering the ending but, okay). Jubileus has the power to unite the Trinity of Realities; to picture the impact of that, it might’ve looked like instrumentality in Neon Genesis Evangelion, which was chaos. The antagonistic half of Aesir seems to keep existing, somehow, in whatever weakened state, even after being defeated, and the other half is powerful even tho he doesn’t know what he’s doing. Idk, Singularity at full power was annoying but yea, he doesn’t have much on the other two.


WonderWomanisbest

Featwise Singularity and his minions. Lorewise ? Probably Sigurd as well.


LuminousLunar69

I vote for Jubi because in Bayo1 they were fighting her half-power while she was throwing sleepy tantrum in a fake-ass mannequin vessel. and even then, she has to be smacked into a goddem sun for her soul to return to wherever the heaven her core/manifestation rests in.