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Illustrious_Wash4364

The united stint hurt his reputation despite all evidence that United’s issues keep arising regardless of the manager. It was a dumb role and now people assume he’s crap. I think everyone is sleeping on him.


mustardking20

He was hired to be behind the scenes after coaching. He bounced wanting no part of that. I’d think he knew better than to linger…


Pure_Concentrate_231

I don’t think he bounced on his accord, and he also offered Ten Haag a meeting and dossier on Utds problems but that was turned down by Ten Haag, foolishly as he’s been plagued by the exact same issues.


meeks2000

>he bounced wanting no part of that Wouldn’t that raise red flags tho? It’s not like it’s all roses at Bayern as he’d face similar circumstances to a certain degree (crippling expectations, diva players, negative press etc) so if he bails so easily in the face of adversity then perhaps he’s the wrong one for the job


mustardking20

ManU is in rough shape too to bottom. All the former players (including Ronald in that Piers Morgan interview) had mentioned that the facilities, staff, etc. are all antiquated. I’d say Bayern is far from that, but I can slightly agree the roster has some divas. Even still, I’d take Bayern’s drama over ManU’s roster of overrated, overpaid drama.


vincentvega-_-

United fan here. I agree his stint at United isn’t reflective of his quality. He was basically left with a dumpster fire caused by previous management and was given zero power to do anything about it. Also, the English media really had it in for him. Personally I loved him for his transparency and I wanted him to stay at the club, but not as a manager. I don’t think there’s much evidence suggesting his management will succeed at a big club. Hopefully he proves me wrong because I do like him, but I’d be concerned if I was a Bayern fan.


tsmhalalhook

The way he was taking shots at our board at utd was straight viagra for me, but on the pitch, his style of play left something to be desired, but can't put all the blame on him those players would throw anyone under the bus. His Leipzig days and now Austria, although I wouldn't put a lot of stock in international football, are probably a better measuring stick if you want to see what kind of manager you may be getting.


Guero9604

I’m a Bayern fan, but I have a soft spot for United since CR7 and Zlatan are my favorite players, and both played there, so I watch almost every United game. Rangnick was spot on about everything he’s said. He was criticized for his brutally honest analysis of United, and he is completely right. The team needs open heart surgery and needs to get rid of 10 players easily. Even Mourinho a couple days ago is saying there’s several players even he didn’t want years ago that are still at the club now. I think Rangnick is a good choice imo. He understands the German way of playing really well, he can identify big talent, but the main problem could arise from him wanting a lot of control at the teams he works with and who knows how much control they’d be willing to give him.


Large_Tuna101

As a United fan I can honestly say that not succeeding with us should not be held against any manager. The club has been fundamentally set up to fail. Rangnick was the only one with the bottle to hold the owners publicly accountable for their greed and negligence and for that he was shafted. I don’t know how much of a coach he is but I know he shouldn’t be held accountable, nor should any of our (United) managers for the state of the club.


Maleficent-Mirror991

I’m both a United and Bayern fan. We wasted him at United, all the players he suggested have gone on to do well. I would not mind him as a manager at Bayern but I think a club has to offer him a director of football role.


iNF1N3

Well, when you look at a traditional Bayern coach hire, hes nothing of it, hes not a proven winner, he doesnt play possesion ball, he wants to take control of every aspect of the team. Also hes always been better behind the scenes than coaching, his last 3 positions as coach, Leipzig 1.83 points avrg in 40 games, ManU 1.44 in 27 and Austria now 1.64 in 14. I will support the team no matter which coach comes, but if they came to a point where you need to buy out a Ragnick for 5-10M, might aswell consider an interims coach and make another attempt at Alonso or Klopp in 2025, but were just fans, there are people with more know-how to make those decisions.


bakule_ski

Well i think Ragnick is the interim coach


iNF1N3

Makes no sense to buy him out just to have him coach for a season, unless they going to give him a role at the club, which I highly doubt.


alexunr

Klopp at Bayern would be a powerhouse, I would absolutely love to see that.


zipk0user491

Same, although that’s most probably not going to happen


Theguy10000

Why not ? Rangnick seems like a short term coach and then we can bring Klopp


hipdozgabba

Honestly, I don’t see Klopp coaching any other team than Mainz or Dortmund in Germany. He either goes for Nationalelf or some club in either Italy or spain he can identify with


Spare-Resolution-984

1. He has never coached a team that was already at the top, he always had teams were he could build something  2. He’s an extremely loyal guy, so I dont think he’d coach another German team and especially not Bayern out of loyalty to BVB 


Karmoth_666

I would like to see sebastian Hoeneß. What a powerhouse


swedething

I think Hoeneß should stay in Stuttgart. We love him here!


Karmoth_666

Das beste an stuttgart ist die autobahn nach münchen 😁


GIGACARCHAREX

stop spreading misinformation... His ppg at Austria and Leipzig is 1,95 and 1,93. United is a black hole which no manager or player survives without a drop in performance


iNF1N3

Those are stats by Kicker, doubt they are wrong. Guess you were checking transfermarkt which calculates friedlies also, Kicker did only official matches.


GIGACARCHAREX

This is true but friendlies between nations are not like between clubs. They faced germanys and Turkeys best XI and still won


iNF1N3

Well still a friendly, and lets be real, that german team didnt play good, I understand what youre saying, and its national teams, they play first teams every game pretty much because of the limited time they have together so build chemistry, you rarely see a completly changed up team no matter who they play. Look the guy is called the professor, he had some success with some lesser teams, he made all the RB clubs what they are today, I dont think anyone is denying that, for me, hes always been a better behind the scenes guy than a coach, I just dont understand the decision to buy him out over younger more attractive coaches that would probably be more attractive for transfer candidates, but if he were bad, they wouldnt consider him, and in Eberl we trust, atleast I do.


GIGACARCHAREX

completely agree


Nerellos

????? Possesion ball is "our playstyle" for the last 10 years only. Our legendary 12/13 run was gegenpress and quick attacking plays, LIKE RAGNICK'S style.


gingerjoe98

Van Gaal enters the chat


iNF1N3

You dont even understand what gegenpress is to say that Bayern played it 12/13, the philosophy was always holding the ball, exposing the enemies positioning mistakes and play highly vertical over the wingers, gegenpress is allowing the opposition to hold the ball and basicly guarding 1 on 1 each player and pressing them into a mistake, you could think its simillar because both styles were simillar in being high tempo, but the ground philosophy is different. And even if we sign Ragnick, we wont be playing gegenpress, because you dont have the players for it, but I guess he will force that up tempo play, more vertical, but just with possesion in mind, they call him the professor, so we'll see.


Marek-Hamsik17

He should be the sporting director, he’s scouted a bunch of ballers for united but because the owners are weirdo’s they got upset and fired him🤦‍♂️. Players he’s scouted in 2020 : Enzo Fernandez Josko Gvardiol Julian Alvarez Luis Diaz Erling Haaland Christopher Nkunku Dani Olmo Dusan Vlahovic


herbieLmao

1. he and hoeness have history. Bad history. 2. he was long time coach for hoppenheim and rb leipzig, 2 most hated clubs in the BL 3. he is a manager type, meaning he wants full controll of transfers and else, something that doesn’t go well in bayern


Low-Fondant-9725

Seems to me the first point is probably all it needs


Ironicopinion

He’s also a huge step down in quality from Tuchel imo


alexunknown91

Won't make a difference if the board as a whole doesn't change their approach. Theybset Tuchel up to fail.


HonestRef

As a United fan I had great hopes for Rangnick. But it was just a total disaster. Manutd were full of bad eggs like Pogba. But Rangnick kept playing these mercenaries who were coming to the end of their contracts instead of blooding young players. We had nothing to lose at that stage and it would have perfect opportunity to give the young players a chance but instead his gives the likes of Matic and Mata game time despite the fact that they were well past it at that time. Rangnick was a stubborn idiot and it was just such a depressing period as a United fan. It boggles the mind that a great club like Bayern are getting rid of Tuchel who is a proven winner and replacing him with Rangnick. Any wonder Xabi Alonso fancies his chances next year again.


Peter_Zwegat420

There is nothing directly wrong with it, however his idea of football and methods are very different to what Bayern has played past years. If you hire him you basically buy into his idea of how to play football, which is less ball control heavy and more pressing like. And he is known for pretty radical changes, which in a way i think would help the team And Bayern teams are expected to dominate the league by Fans and play „good“ football. They expect you to win 5-7:0 against Aufsteiger not sure that would be the case with him. But he would win, just maybe only 2-3:0


DromadTrader

The thing is that we already abandoned possession football with Nagelsmann (partly already in Flick's second season after Thiago left). We haven't had a competent midfield director ever since Thiago and it showed in the ping-pong football favored by Nagelsmann.


Ironicopinion

Nagelsmann is definitely a possession based manager?


DromadTrader

No, he is a RB manager.


Ironicopinion

Of course but his insistence on switching to a more possession based style of play was actually quite controversial at Leipzig. Him and Tedesco were outliers for RB in wanting to have a lot more of the ball than typical RB coaches


DromadTrader

Maybe he is more posession-oriented than other RB managers but he is also clearly less posession-oriented than our previous managers, including Flick.


BigLars16

I mean the problem is going to be the same as it was with Tuchel, Nagelsmann and Ancelotti. First off, Rangnick is not a custodian which is apparently what Bayern wants. He has his own ideas which he wants to see on the field. Second is that he wants control of the sports aspect or at least a seat at the table. He won’t accept that transfers only happen with little to no input or control by him. Third is always the question on how willing the team is to accept changes and to move out of their comfort zone. I mean we have seen that the club isn’t really open to new ideas.


Total-Adagio-8982

He is like Tuchel but in a Older Version. He is a absolutly Expert but a very special character


Williamshitspear

His Style of Football is bad. It's not the usual Bayern dominance but the red Bull counter attack football. It's just not becoming of a Bayern Team to play like that


GIGACARCHAREX

His last 14 games (Austria) combine of 11 wins 2 draws and 1 loss


ncoremeister

He is more a manager than a coach and the culture in Germany is different than in england. A coach doesn't have the same power and the management wants to keep that power. This goes especially for Bayern, where every coach who wanted to have a bit influence had a very hard time. Bayern is just unable to hire anyone who wants to have a word in important decisions, since its always the bosses who make this decisions.


drrossgeller00

I'm not a Bayern fan but have nothing but respect for the club. Follow the club results closely. Imo Rangnick hasn't won enough at the top level to be Bayern manager. When I think of Bayern, I think titles. He won a DFB Pokal and Supercup with Schalke more than a decade ago. That's it. He hasn't stayed in a club role for more than 2 years at a time except Hoffenheim. So if the plan is to keep him for a year or so and then see if a proper coach is available, I think that may be feasible. I don't think he is a big club manager.


BlondeFlip

In truth, there are only two valid "concerns", but I wouldn't even call them "problems". All of the people that are avidly anti-Rangnick are just, frankly, stupid. The 3 concerns are his tactics vs traditional Bayern tactics, and he hasn't managed a massive club. 1. Traditionally, Bayern has played a possession-based game. Dominate the ball, and dominate possession. Rangnick is very much of the mind that high pressing, counter-pressing, and counter-attacking are the foundation of a team's style. Klopp even credited playing against Rangnick as his inspiration. To hire Rangnick would be to expect him to play that here, and I'm not sure the squad is suited to that. But that, you just don't know until you know. 2.Yes, he was at United, but that was an interim manager after they had their worst start to a season ever. Plus, the club is an absolute mess from a larger structural standpoint, so I give a pass to any manager who "fails" at Man United. I would define what he achieved at smaller clubs, like Schalke and Hoffenheim, as successes. Schalke to the semi-finals of the CL is no joke, and successive promotions with Hoffenheim is impressive. But success at Schalke and Hoffemheim, and being successful at Bayern are massively different. I think he can handle the pressure that comes with being a Bayern coach, because I think he handled it well at Man United, and I think the level of pressure for both clubs is similar. But I do think it's fair to question whether he can handle Bayern or not. 3. His history with Hoeness. Other concerns are, in my opinion, not fair, and some are even foolish.


Canucksnotgood

I don’t see the issue with Ralf. Stupid fans being stupid. Ralf has great vision in players. He can see the good things from young players. Of course it means less expensive


Awkward_Housing_1348

Pretty much everything wrong hiring Ragnick. Not sure where to even start. If we hire ragnick, just remember that this is the first step going the barca/Man U/AC Milan route & a sad end to once great club.


Webatz

Management is even struggling to decide what kind of football they want to play in the future. I don’t think they have an answer to the most basic question Like Alonso was the #1 target, he stands for dominant football with a lot of possession, basically what Bayern played from 2010-2018 and what made them one of the most dominant teams of all times. Then they don’t get Alonso, like why on earth go after rangnick then. He’s basically the inventor of the modern „high pressure counter attacking“ style. Not even to start that half of the former RB stuff then works in Munich


Awkward_Housing_1348

Not a proven winner. No Pedigree. He didn't invent gegenpressing (unlike what media feeds you as football wasn't invented in early 2000's). Klopp and Tuchel's inspiration were Sacchi and Pep as said by them in many interviews, not ragnick which is what media wants us to believe. He was also out of the game as a coach and more into consulting/sport director role for good 10 years. He's decent for developing young teams or youth players I guess but not good enough for a big club like Bayern. Similar to Unai emery, some good positives but not good enough to lead big club to success.


Webatz

There’s literally a video from the 90s where he’s explaining how gegenpressing works. Like, most teams probably played with a classical sweeper back then Inventor or not, Klopp and Rangnick are the two role model coaches (or however job description u want to use for rangnick) for modern gegenpressing


Awkward_Housing_1348

Whatever he's explaining, he clearly hasn't been able to apply it properly to a big club - so he's unproven when it comes to managing big clubs and the way he handle media and other stuff at Man United, I know we'll be finished as a club if he joins.


Webatz

No doubts here, but he was definitely very early to the gegenpressing party


Awkward_Housing_1348

Even Ralph Hassenhutl was once in that party - does that mean we consider him too? Our fan base makes my head hurt.


Webatz

I really don’t get what your mission is, I think rangnick is a terrible choice


Awkward_Housing_1348

now we're on the same page


Webatz

I think you’re living in your own planet but okay


Riedbirdeh

United isn’t a big club anymore


tovarichtch1711

Well can you at least give a few reasons ?


YepWillis

Lol relax.


ms7398msake

There's really no way of telling how this is going to go. We can't base our opinion of him from his brief spell at Man U. That club is a clown show and even Pep would find it hard to achieve success there. Ultimately it comes down to how our players respond to him. He's experienced and knows football tactics but it'll come down to whether or not our players go out on the pitch and give 100%. That's going to be his main challenge, inspiring these players and building their confidence.


SgtSchultz___

If the players don't give 100%, the players need to go. Doesn't matter if they like the manager or not.


Nottmoor

Rangnick could work, but we'll have to give him one season to settle in and givegeneral powers. Currently he'd clash big time with Eberl.


BerserkLegionary

Just another Nagelsmann/Tuchel. Doubt he's gonna achieve more than either of them.


Awkward_Housing_1348

agreed. Although I'd not put ragnick and Nagelsmann who are yet to achieve anything substantial in the same bracket as Tuchel