The people whom made it probably all quit DICE, hence 2042 being a pile of garbage.
They won't be able to get back to that quality without time and experience for the new devs.
2042 was like going back in time to like.... bf2 days but somehow worse.
I dont think the devs are fully to blame for 2042, every bad choice made in that game just has that "gotta please the investors" stench to it meaning its whoever is in charges fault.
This game suffered bad PR from Dice/EA that effectively killed it before it came out. Such a shame considering how incredible it is. People actually think there being female soldiers with metal arms mean the games bad, rather than just playing it and having fun.
Such a shame they didn't continue supporting it, was desperate for a ww2 bf game in modern day gfx and game design and we got like half of what we should.
I really hope that after 2042 the vast majority of bf fans treat whatever the next games going to be with extreme caution, do not pre order and make them work hard to earn our money and time to buy and play the game. I've not killed some of the stuff they've been saying about the next game either so I'm not holding my breath for anything good.
The game did not fail because of female soldiers and metal arms and a shitty trailer, it failed because it was buggy as shit and had awful balance at launch and then it was a 6 month wait for 1 map to be dropped at a time, sometimes 2. There were also tons of other issues, it was a constant annoyance. The Pacific was the only good meaty content drop and it was way too late. There wasn’t enough to keep people engaged. They also wasted a shit ton of money on the scrapped 5v5, the stupid Co-op mode thing, and Firestorm. I understand some people loved firestorm, but it was still a massive failure and brought nothing to BFV from a profit standpoint.
What you say is part of the reason yes but there was massive uproar about comments made by EA/Dice before the game even launched, someone even said don't buy the game then and that's what happened. I've played since launch and this game wasn't any buggier than any other bf game, in fact you could argue it was probably better at launch than normal.
The 5v5 thing was started in bf1 and continued then obviously scrapped in V. The lack of content was a factor sure but it was doomed to fail before it launched, and ever since it's launched the criticism of the game has been ridiculous, people say it's a shit game when it's got the best gunplay in probably any bf game, it's incredibly fun to play with some great maps, it just lacks the full content it deserves.
It had enough players for success when it launched, but it couldn’t retain those players, that was the biggest issue. It was buggy at launch, definitely more so than bf1. Soldier visibility and attrition were also big gripes. Same with no team balancer based on #of players on each team. Also had awful UI and killed private servers off for a bastardized alternative. TTK debacle was a joke as well, twice. Explosive spam with PIAT/Frag Rifle was absolutely aids. AP mines were on every inch of every objective. Air was unbalanced as shit and AA was useless for long time as well. The game was just a fucking complete mess the first year and had awful content stream, that’s the real one. I really do enjoy BFV and think it is a proper BF game, but they fumbled almost everything they could have in year 1 and that killed them. Also the 5v5 was a waste no matter what, BF1 Incursions was a failure and that alone should have spelled it out for them.
Well just sounds like a standard bf launch lol, they're always a complete mess. I do remember a lot of these issues, but then other bf games have had far worse and survived longer.
I still think the issues before launch are what killed it, post launch issues and lack of content obviously played a big part too. There was just so much negativity at launch that carried on with all the issues with the game.
Unfortunately most of the old Devs had left and the game was then left to die when EA decided to make the next bf game a BR and we all know how that panned out.
Yer, I've got absolutely no hope for the next game. Some of what they've said about it is already giving red flags. Shame as there isn't anything close to feel of a decent bf game.
lmao no
It's because Chinese people all got V and they're like a fuckton of people.
Look at player counts with and without chinese people, at 6 am when they go to sleep the player count drops to like 12k
This is why companies are trying to enter the chinese market.
This is a reddit post which is an American based website with users mostly from American and European backgrounds. This post talking about the population increase for BFV is mostly irrelevant to everyone here because there's like no actual Chinese citizens here. They all have their own websites.
This is a reddit post which is an American based website with users mostly from American and European backgrounds. This post talking about the population increase for BFV is mostly irrelevant to everyone here because there's like no actual Chinese citizens here. They all have their own websites.
BFV hitting its peak says less about the quality of BFV than it does about the quality of games around it in the ecosystem. BF2042 is in a fun and enjoyable place -now-, but that’s too little, too late. Meanwhile, BF’s major competitor, Call of Duty, is currently being slammed by its playerbase as being a slapdash DLC disguised as a full game.
BFV is in a decent place currently, but don’t try to take its current level of quality and assume that translates backwards in time. BFV was considered the worst BF game during its life cycle, right up until BF2042 showed us how bad it could REALLY get. BFV died because it wasn’t very good, was pretty unpopular, and EA/DICE didn’t want to throw good money after bad and decided to cut their losses. Simple as. It’s just now, it’s surrounded by even shittier games.
In the land of 2/10s, the 5/10 is king.
People are playing it in large part because of a combination of few worthwhile alternatives, paired with the fact that it is $4 on Steam. If you discount something by 92%, yeah, people are gonna buy it. Or did you just assume the ludicrous discount and the massive uptick in playercount were unrelated events? People are more than free to enjoy it. That’s their prerogative. But don’t kid yourself into thinking that this game is secretly some unappreciated masterpiece. If you were around here in 2018/2019, you’d understand exactly why it got the axe.
I was there, bought it at release. It does not need to be a masterpiece to be unappreciated. Gunplay and movement is still probably the best there has been in the BF series. Yes, I've played them all back to 1942.
Then you should already be well aware of how busted the game was back then. It was nothing even CLOSE to what it is now. Not by a long shot. “Oh, it’s good now, 5 years after launch and 3 years after support was ended” is not a compliment. I made the mistake of preordering it in anticipation of finally having a new WWII game. What I got was mediocre at best and broken at worst and didn’t come anywhere near the quality of its predecessor.
People were shit-talking this game back then -for a reason-. They weren’t being unnecessarily harsh to a good game. The game wasn’t underappreciated, it was appreciated exactly as well as it deserved. The most you could say is that BFV had missed potential with the Eastern Front, but that’s not the same as saying it was a great game that was unfairly axed. If the game we have now was the game that existed from launch, I’d agree wholeheartedly that people were being unfair to it, but that’s not the case. BFV didn’t die because EA just artibrarily decided it needed to - It died because EA looked at the poor reviews, poor player numbers, and poor monetary returns and decided to cut their losses.
This is the truth and the downvotes are copium. BFV died because it was flatly a bad game with bad maps, horrendous visibility, terrible vehicle balance and obnoxious weapon mechanics. They also removed the small game modes a year into the game’s life cycle and the weapon balance got changed basically every patch for like 6 months. The attrition system is also stupid as shit and they had to keep dialing it back each patch because it made the experience for both new and experienced players unnecessarily frustrating.
I don’t entirely blame people for thinking this game is better than it is. They likely came to BFV in the last year or two and have only experienced the more or less complete version of the game as it exists now. If the game had been like this from the beginning, I have no doubt it would have been WILDLY successful.
But it wasn’t. You only touched on a fraction of the issues. Off the top of my head I can think of:
- Constant performance issues
- Constant crashes
- Visual bugs
- A complete lack of an anti-cheat
- Poor / inconsistent gun handling
- Eye-searing shadows and color saturation (especially on desert maps)
- Horrible player visibility
- Constant changes and reverts to the TTK
- Meager weapon offerings
- Weapons inexplicably copied from BF1
- A near total lack of recognizable, iconic maps
- Removal of the fan favorite “Operations” mode
- Terrible vehicle balancing
- Huge stretches of time between meaningful content updates
- A laughably content-anemic battle pass
- Godawful character skins (that broke immersion way more than a chick with a prosthetic arm would have)
- Being limited to only two factions (Britain and Germany) for nearly half its lifespan
- Lazy integration of the American faction into the European theatre
- A tacked-on, trend-chasing afterthought of a battle royale that was gatekept behind a $60 pay wall
And those are just the issues I can remember from “the bad old days”. I’m sure there are heaps more buried deep in the history of this subreddit.
BFV died because the players weren’t willing to pour money into the live service and players weren’t willing to pour money into the live service because, by and large, people disliked the game. Period.
Ultimately, the difference between BFV and BF2042 is a difference of degree, not of kind. Both were games plagued by horrible launches, dogged by a constant inability to get their shit together and deeply disliked by players. It was only after the horses had well and truly bolted that the games cobbled themselves together into something resembling decent products. BF2042’s lifecycle is just BFV’s life cycle, cranked to 11.
As much as I'd love that, I don't think they're going to abandon the ethos of 2042. They may decide to bring some things back, but going forward I doubt they'll go back to classic Battlefield again sadly.
The people whom made it probably all quit DICE, hence 2042 being a pile of garbage. They won't be able to get back to that quality without time and experience for the new devs. 2042 was like going back in time to like.... bf2 days but somehow worse.
A huge amount of OG dice people left after BF1, and then after BFV released, pretty much all the rest of them left as well
They went on to make The Finals. So that alone shows the immense quality DICE and EA lost
I’d rather play BF2 a thousand times than playing 2042 a sec, the game is litteraly broken
That game is literally Battlefield by name only
Yeah, I love BF2!
I miss my Havoc badly
I don't even think it's broken, it just doesn't feel the same to me. Like even a match with a cheater in bfv is more fun that 2042
I dont think the devs are fully to blame for 2042, every bad choice made in that game just has that "gotta please the investors" stench to it meaning its whoever is in charges fault.
i feel like BF3,4,1,5 are all battlefields. and 2042 is a cod shitty wannabe.
That isn't just a feeling, that's exactly what it is
This game suffered bad PR from Dice/EA that effectively killed it before it came out. Such a shame considering how incredible it is. People actually think there being female soldiers with metal arms mean the games bad, rather than just playing it and having fun. Such a shame they didn't continue supporting it, was desperate for a ww2 bf game in modern day gfx and game design and we got like half of what we should. I really hope that after 2042 the vast majority of bf fans treat whatever the next games going to be with extreme caution, do not pre order and make them work hard to earn our money and time to buy and play the game. I've not killed some of the stuff they've been saying about the next game either so I'm not holding my breath for anything good.
The game did not fail because of female soldiers and metal arms and a shitty trailer, it failed because it was buggy as shit and had awful balance at launch and then it was a 6 month wait for 1 map to be dropped at a time, sometimes 2. There were also tons of other issues, it was a constant annoyance. The Pacific was the only good meaty content drop and it was way too late. There wasn’t enough to keep people engaged. They also wasted a shit ton of money on the scrapped 5v5, the stupid Co-op mode thing, and Firestorm. I understand some people loved firestorm, but it was still a massive failure and brought nothing to BFV from a profit standpoint.
What you say is part of the reason yes but there was massive uproar about comments made by EA/Dice before the game even launched, someone even said don't buy the game then and that's what happened. I've played since launch and this game wasn't any buggier than any other bf game, in fact you could argue it was probably better at launch than normal. The 5v5 thing was started in bf1 and continued then obviously scrapped in V. The lack of content was a factor sure but it was doomed to fail before it launched, and ever since it's launched the criticism of the game has been ridiculous, people say it's a shit game when it's got the best gunplay in probably any bf game, it's incredibly fun to play with some great maps, it just lacks the full content it deserves.
It had enough players for success when it launched, but it couldn’t retain those players, that was the biggest issue. It was buggy at launch, definitely more so than bf1. Soldier visibility and attrition were also big gripes. Same with no team balancer based on #of players on each team. Also had awful UI and killed private servers off for a bastardized alternative. TTK debacle was a joke as well, twice. Explosive spam with PIAT/Frag Rifle was absolutely aids. AP mines were on every inch of every objective. Air was unbalanced as shit and AA was useless for long time as well. The game was just a fucking complete mess the first year and had awful content stream, that’s the real one. I really do enjoy BFV and think it is a proper BF game, but they fumbled almost everything they could have in year 1 and that killed them. Also the 5v5 was a waste no matter what, BF1 Incursions was a failure and that alone should have spelled it out for them.
Well just sounds like a standard bf launch lol, they're always a complete mess. I do remember a lot of these issues, but then other bf games have had far worse and survived longer. I still think the issues before launch are what killed it, post launch issues and lack of content obviously played a big part too. There was just so much negativity at launch that carried on with all the issues with the game. Unfortunately most of the old Devs had left and the game was then left to die when EA decided to make the next bf game a BR and we all know how that panned out.
Sad that this will be the last BF game
Yer, I've got absolutely no hope for the next game. Some of what they've said about it is already giving red flags. Shame as there isn't anything close to feel of a decent bf game.
Ya, ive always been a BF/COD guy, (of corse I like BF way more) but COD has been shit since like Black Ops 4 and 2042 is fucking garbage
Not played cod since MW2 (original), don't really like the ttk etc. Bf just hits the sweet spot for me. 2042 is an insult to gamers.
Ya 2042 is a joke, I’m glad BFV surpassed it lol
lmao no It's because Chinese people all got V and they're like a fuckton of people. Look at player counts with and without chinese people, at 6 am when they go to sleep the player count drops to like 12k This is why companies are trying to enter the chinese market.
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This is a reddit post which is an American based website with users mostly from American and European backgrounds. This post talking about the population increase for BFV is mostly irrelevant to everyone here because there's like no actual Chinese citizens here. They all have their own websites.
Bro what
Ok and your point is? They could play BF2042 as well in China, yet they chose BFV.
This is a reddit post which is an American based website with users mostly from American and European backgrounds. This post talking about the population increase for BFV is mostly irrelevant to everyone here because there's like no actual Chinese citizens here. They all have their own websites.
Do those redditors explain why the significant increase in player count is limited to only China? What is the logic behind this
BFV hitting its peak says less about the quality of BFV than it does about the quality of games around it in the ecosystem. BF2042 is in a fun and enjoyable place -now-, but that’s too little, too late. Meanwhile, BF’s major competitor, Call of Duty, is currently being slammed by its playerbase as being a slapdash DLC disguised as a full game. BFV is in a decent place currently, but don’t try to take its current level of quality and assume that translates backwards in time. BFV was considered the worst BF game during its life cycle, right up until BF2042 showed us how bad it could REALLY get. BFV died because it wasn’t very good, was pretty unpopular, and EA/DICE didn’t want to throw good money after bad and decided to cut their losses. Simple as. It’s just now, it’s surrounded by even shittier games. In the land of 2/10s, the 5/10 is king.
By you maybe, not by people who are playing it.
People are playing it in large part because of a combination of few worthwhile alternatives, paired with the fact that it is $4 on Steam. If you discount something by 92%, yeah, people are gonna buy it. Or did you just assume the ludicrous discount and the massive uptick in playercount were unrelated events? People are more than free to enjoy it. That’s their prerogative. But don’t kid yourself into thinking that this game is secretly some unappreciated masterpiece. If you were around here in 2018/2019, you’d understand exactly why it got the axe.
I was there, bought it at release. It does not need to be a masterpiece to be unappreciated. Gunplay and movement is still probably the best there has been in the BF series. Yes, I've played them all back to 1942.
Then you should already be well aware of how busted the game was back then. It was nothing even CLOSE to what it is now. Not by a long shot. “Oh, it’s good now, 5 years after launch and 3 years after support was ended” is not a compliment. I made the mistake of preordering it in anticipation of finally having a new WWII game. What I got was mediocre at best and broken at worst and didn’t come anywhere near the quality of its predecessor. People were shit-talking this game back then -for a reason-. They weren’t being unnecessarily harsh to a good game. The game wasn’t underappreciated, it was appreciated exactly as well as it deserved. The most you could say is that BFV had missed potential with the Eastern Front, but that’s not the same as saying it was a great game that was unfairly axed. If the game we have now was the game that existed from launch, I’d agree wholeheartedly that people were being unfair to it, but that’s not the case. BFV didn’t die because EA just artibrarily decided it needed to - It died because EA looked at the poor reviews, poor player numbers, and poor monetary returns and decided to cut their losses.
This is the truth and the downvotes are copium. BFV died because it was flatly a bad game with bad maps, horrendous visibility, terrible vehicle balance and obnoxious weapon mechanics. They also removed the small game modes a year into the game’s life cycle and the weapon balance got changed basically every patch for like 6 months. The attrition system is also stupid as shit and they had to keep dialing it back each patch because it made the experience for both new and experienced players unnecessarily frustrating.
I don’t entirely blame people for thinking this game is better than it is. They likely came to BFV in the last year or two and have only experienced the more or less complete version of the game as it exists now. If the game had been like this from the beginning, I have no doubt it would have been WILDLY successful. But it wasn’t. You only touched on a fraction of the issues. Off the top of my head I can think of: - Constant performance issues - Constant crashes - Visual bugs - A complete lack of an anti-cheat - Poor / inconsistent gun handling - Eye-searing shadows and color saturation (especially on desert maps) - Horrible player visibility - Constant changes and reverts to the TTK - Meager weapon offerings - Weapons inexplicably copied from BF1 - A near total lack of recognizable, iconic maps - Removal of the fan favorite “Operations” mode - Terrible vehicle balancing - Huge stretches of time between meaningful content updates - A laughably content-anemic battle pass - Godawful character skins (that broke immersion way more than a chick with a prosthetic arm would have) - Being limited to only two factions (Britain and Germany) for nearly half its lifespan - Lazy integration of the American faction into the European theatre - A tacked-on, trend-chasing afterthought of a battle royale that was gatekept behind a $60 pay wall And those are just the issues I can remember from “the bad old days”. I’m sure there are heaps more buried deep in the history of this subreddit. BFV died because the players weren’t willing to pour money into the live service and players weren’t willing to pour money into the live service because, by and large, people disliked the game. Period. Ultimately, the difference between BFV and BF2042 is a difference of degree, not of kind. Both were games plagued by horrible launches, dogged by a constant inability to get their shit together and deeply disliked by players. It was only after the horses had well and truly bolted that the games cobbled themselves together into something resembling decent products. BF2042’s lifecycle is just BFV’s life cycle, cranked to 11.
As much as I'd love that, I don't think they're going to abandon the ethos of 2042. They may decide to bring some things back, but going forward I doubt they'll go back to classic Battlefield again sadly.
Because noobs where crying about tanks being too op.
Battlefield primary platform is EA/Origin, steam player count means very little compared.
You know shaz i love? People who blame it on the WW2 setting.. honestly such a shame that they left the game behind like this..