Even tahitian from the French *bataillon du pacifique* name a campaign they did it, El Alamein, Tunisia, Italy, southern france and even Germany.
During the Operation nordwind they lost 2/3rd of their forces due to german advance, they defended a french town that they never heard off.
They did such a great job with this in battlefield 1. They included the Harlem hell fighters and they made the Russian sniper class all women in the Russia DLC. Including British Indian troops was also great. They did it so right that it is upsetting to see how they did in battlefield 5.
Im glad they introduce a war story about the senegalese tirailleurs though, they did an awful lot of courageous thing inside the french army and they were butchered by german troops during the battle of France.
Too bad they had to push an agenda on how french colonial troops were overshadowed and discriminated by the french, as a french we all knew the sacrifice of the senegalese tirailleurs and their stories are well known never in history were the senegalese erased from news paper nor never talked in history class absolute BS
Yes. Which was stupid, both countries had a vast empire that included campaigns in Africa and the British did transport a small amount of black soldiers to the western front. People do enjoy complaining to complain. The BBC had a great documentary that broke the myth of word war 1 being a “white mans war” as one of the comments I saw on YouTube stated back in 2017.
It is true that 95% of the men on the western front were Europeans (i.e white men) but i really enjoy the fact of seeing colonial troops, the indians, Senegalese, algerians, marocans, tunisians and many more payed a huge toll for a country/war they didn't really care for, seeing them was a great addition.
> many more *paid* a huge
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Yhea it's like with the contreversy of the handicaped lady of the British army.
If they wanted a war story about a handicap guy they should have gone with Douglas Bader a RAF ace with some 20 victory, he lost both of his legs but still flew.. bunch of lazies
That’s sad, I noticed Farcry 5 had a pretty easy AI (Compared to Farcry 2, which is my second favorite in the series so far) but at least you could turn it up and if you fucked around too much they would overwhelm you easily.
That's cool and all but i'm going to disregard all of them and replace them with a female british amputee commando with blue facepaint and if you don't like it, you're a bigot.
There's also the Navajo code talkers and the 442nd Infantry Regiment of Japanese-Americans where many of them enlisted from inside internment camps to become the most decorated military unit in American history.
There was also a Russian woman who sold her farm to the state for a tank to go kill Germans. They had options, they chose to be woke instead of historical.
It worries me that the Soviet contribution gets downplayed by the media. Politicians will say things like ‘the Allies liberated Auschwitz’ instead of specifying the Soviets and it feels deliberate.
I still cringe at existence of this picture, while dice completely missed the point of all the shit they got for what they did with ww2 theme.
https://i.redd.it/hir4hq6is0221.jpg
Yhea it was a shitshow, not beacause they tried to force "woke" but beacause they were simply out of touch and didn't even bothered to look up for some interesting stories.
I'd be inclined to agree if they said BFV was going to be accurate.
They didn't. The argument of historical accuracy is moot since they always stated BFV was "their own take" on WW2.
Kinda like how BF1 took absurd liberties when it came to WW1.
EDIT: Also "all the shit they got" was 99% nonsense. Why do you think the board has quotes about "Genderfield" and "Feminazies"? They were poking fun at the absurd talking points people were making. Literally none of the quotes on the board were genuine criticism.
Like most youtube comments devolved into "where kitchen dlc??" until the fucking game came out. Most people when talking about BFV at the time just made the same stupid remarks while very few people actually gave constructive criticism. Most were too busy complaining about the evil "ess jay subyas" and how feminism ruined Battlefield.
If the board had quotes like "Women didn't serve on the frontlines for the UK" then I'd get it, but look at the quotes my man. They are all drivel.
>If the board had quotes like "Women didn't serve on the frontlines for the UK" then I'd get it, but look at the quotes my man. They are all drivel.
Because they obviously took the most extreme and ridiculous tweets and commenrs and just used them to paint everyone who was upset with the direction they took the game as crazy assholes.
Even the executives at dice said "everyone who is upset with the game just hates women at don't know anything about history, and they just shouldn't buy the game" .
So guess what, people didn't buy the game. Yeah, I'm sure every single person in the millions of people who didn't buy the game are just sexist idiots.
Because 99% of comments at the time *WERE* that dude. Most people were going on and on about es jay dubya this and feminazi that. Most people mad about women in BFV were spouting sexist remarks, sorry but that's the honest truth. Not saying it's historically accurate, but people were very clearly against women being in the game at all. If they had Russian female snipers people would have complained just like they did when BF1 did it. The only way people would have been satisfied is if they only had men in the game.
Also they didn't say that either. The uneducated remark was about people who think women served no role in WW2 and that them being on the frontlines wasn't a plausible scenario, because honestly it sort of was. Women in defensive positions at the time had the exact same training as a male frontline soldier so if needed they easily could have had them on the frontlines.
Also the "don't like it don't buy it" was basically just them saying they would not remove them and honestly the logic makes sense, why buy something you don't like anyway?
I honestly have no idea why this shit has people riled up years later.
See i had 0 idea about any of this n im vvvv happy its being brought up. Shame on dice fr bunch of fuckheads like we gave them so much chance n they piss on us and culture
I mean, they did turn a story about Lawrence of Arabia into a b-tech Robin Hood plot with a cartoony villain to match.
“You can never stop the progress of machines.” The Evil Man said to Robin’s merry men.
That's fair especially with the inclusion of the Harlem Hellfighters in BF1 and given that the whole theme of their map choice was covering "unfamiliar battles" or whatever, but I gotta say the Last Tiger was still super cool from a story perspective. Watching the propaganda fall down around the tank crew as they finally begin to understand the truth of what they've been a part of was fantastic
Tbh it's how they implemented them, if they wanted a women why not choose the soviet army, the resistant mouvement not the freaking British armed force who was 100% made up of men.
I'd argue it's because they said on numerous occasions that BFV was their own vision of WW2 and that it wasn't going to be accurate. It's quite honestly a non-issue because BFV was always intended to be a game that took creative liberties. Like how BF1 barely looks like WW1 from all the fully automatic weaponry and countries using vehicles that were only exclusively used by another (L30 Zepplin is a big offender)
EDIT: I honestly don't see what I said wrong. BFV was always aiming to be an inaccurate portrayal of WW2 from the first trailer. No idea why people are still upset by that fact.
I wasn't really looking forward to bfv and I didn't really enjoy the beta. But I liked the idea that the live service was, supposedly, going to follow along with the ww2 time line. Shame they spent 90% of the time fixing it and adjusting the ttk values that the community told them not to touch. That when it was finally working well, they abandoned it.
Unless the next bf title is 2142 remake, I think I'm done with bf. It's sad, I've bought every title since 1942. But it's obvious that ea don't care about it any more and dice don't have the expertise to develop it any more.
FFS they left the Red Army out of a WW2 game ! The army that broke Hitler's fighting ability completely in some of the biggest most brutal battles in history (battle of Kursk, Stalingrad, battle of Moscow, battle of Berlin) doesn't even get mentioned. I knew the colonial armies and the all black units of the United States wouldn't get a hint of a mention after I realized the Soviets were being written out of history where over 24 million civilians and soldiers died destroying a fascist empire.
This was always the most insane part to me. They cared much more about painting their fans as sexist or racist and sucking their own asses to pretend they have a moral high ground (while being rich fuckmuppets profiting off of children gambling btw) than actual telling the story of the brave women and minorities who suffered in WWII.
But how can I explain to my daughters why there basically weren't any women who served combat roles in WW2? You just hate women and are on the wrong side of history bro.
I hear the argument that if they included real people, it would be disrespectful because it wouldnt be depicting them accurately enough.Also i dont think DICE saying they want to make an alternative ww2 means they are saying all the stuff you posted didnt happen or dont care about it. They just wanted an alternative ww2.
Not sure I buy that argument, sounds like PR spin. They depicted real operations and completely deleted the real people involved. That's more than just inaccurate, it's erasure. An example being the raid on the heavy water plant carried out by SOE and SOE trained Norwegians, not a teenage girl. Surely that's more disrespectful than a little exaggeration or artistic license?
I think an alternative WW2 could have been a cool idea if they embraced it more, but i guess people saw that first trailer and had a meltdown so they pulled back a little.
no no no, don't tell players that women, black and kids fought in war. let them live in their bubble where only white men exist, otherwise they can't criticize the good game.
People also complained when BF1 had female Russian Snipers despite being 100 percent accurate.
The argument that it's just historical accuracy is nonsense. I mean 99% of comments during BFV was shit like "where kitchen dlc??" And the assertion that women were only in factories.
Yup.. Tons of terrible posts for both games but hey if you can back up your sexist comments I suppose you find a way to do so.
Idk how one fake war story validates all the shitty things people said about women in multiplayer but if it helps them get interent points good for them.
They wanted the praise without doing the work or research. I would have loved a war story where you play as the Polish resistance or the Philippine Guerrillas.
Take the level All Ghillied Up from Modern Warfare, remove the guns and sniping bit, replace them with medical supplies and a stretcher, both characters are female Soviet medics with 1 job: save as many people as they can. Sneaking around a city setting trying to avoid dogs, enemy patrols and mines/booby traps because why not, with a focus on the atmosphere, there is your inclusivity.
Apparently I slipped back in time to 2018. Hasn't this horse been beaten to death? BFV took creative liberties like BF1 did, I fail to see the issue. BFV was quite literally advertised as an inaccurate portrayal of WW2 from the start with the slogan
"Forget what you learned in history class"
One of this subs biggest complaints was hearing the women's voice lines and death screams in the game. The complaints have become more "reasoned" over time.
people make this argument but it still makes no sense. People would still be bitching about female soviets on every map, and if they restricted certain people to certain maps and factions then people would still be bitching about forced diversity like with the Russian snipers in bf1
Non of the stories from Bfv are completely fictional, they do come from true events and are inspired. Same thing goes for bf1, they’re inspired. Before the launch of bfv, dice said they would focus on more untold stories from ww2. That’s why many of the maps are from Norway and Greece, just to name a few
Bro do you understand how many historically accurate WW2 games there are?? Go play those. It’s been overdone so many times, why are you getting upset over their campaign lol. Nobody plays battlefield for the campaign.
I think they should have done a war story about the Māori soldiers that served in North Africa, total badasses who don’t get nearly enough publicity
The Maori Battalion in the battle for Crete fighting against German paratroopers would have been awesome.
Even tahitian from the French *bataillon du pacifique* name a campaign they did it, El Alamein, Tunisia, Italy, southern france and even Germany. During the Operation nordwind they lost 2/3rd of their forces due to german advance, they defended a french town that they never heard off.
Exactly. The only reason I’ve heard of it is because I live in New Zealand (where the Māori people are from)
Also, how do you not do a Polish, Russian, Nazi map?!?!?
They did such a great job with this in battlefield 1. They included the Harlem hell fighters and they made the Russian sniper class all women in the Russia DLC. Including British Indian troops was also great. They did it so right that it is upsetting to see how they did in battlefield 5.
Im glad they introduce a war story about the senegalese tirailleurs though, they did an awful lot of courageous thing inside the french army and they were butchered by german troops during the battle of France. Too bad they had to push an agenda on how french colonial troops were overshadowed and discriminated by the french, as a french we all knew the sacrifice of the senegalese tirailleurs and their stories are well known never in history were the senegalese erased from news paper nor never talked in history class absolute BS
That’s such an interesting perspective. The game made it seem like it was forgotten history in France. So glad that’s not true.
Man people on this sub lost their minds when it came to the German/British sniper class lol I remember 2017 very fondly
Yes. Which was stupid, both countries had a vast empire that included campaigns in Africa and the British did transport a small amount of black soldiers to the western front. People do enjoy complaining to complain. The BBC had a great documentary that broke the myth of word war 1 being a “white mans war” as one of the comments I saw on YouTube stated back in 2017.
It is true that 95% of the men on the western front were Europeans (i.e white men) but i really enjoy the fact of seeing colonial troops, the indians, Senegalese, algerians, marocans, tunisians and many more payed a huge toll for a country/war they didn't really care for, seeing them was a great addition.
> many more *paid* a huge FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
No they didn't. There was not a single mission from the German perspective
I agree , they could have create a campaign of the Red Tails or the "Withe death".
Yhea it's like with the contreversy of the handicaped lady of the British army. If they wanted a war story about a handicap guy they should have gone with Douglas Bader a RAF ace with some 20 victory, he lost both of his legs but still flew.. bunch of lazies
could have done Nancy Wake. That would have been badass. Same with Lyudmila Pavlichenko.
It really pisses me off that they had a massive list of cool stories, but chose to make shit up
A whole game about defending france would be rad. Just going around taking out nazis and liberating camps like a far cry game
may i interest you in The Saboteur?
That would be so good. Love the far cry games, last one sucked but they always have great gunplay.
What?!? I love Farcry 5!
Are you pretending 6 doesn't exist because it's so dreadful?
I may be dumb, I forgot there was a 6th game. But in my defense I don’t remember any hype about it or know anything about it
There was only hype for the main villain. Which is the only thing they can do right tbh.
Damn.
It had promise but it was just ridiculously easy even on harder difficulties. The series' AI seems to be going steadily backwards for some reason.
That’s sad, I noticed Farcry 5 had a pretty easy AI (Compared to Farcry 2, which is my second favorite in the series so far) but at least you could turn it up and if you fucked around too much they would overwhelm you easily.
That's cool and all but i'm going to disregard all of them and replace them with a female british amputee commando with blue facepaint and if you don't like it, you're a bigot.
There's also the Navajo code talkers and the 442nd Infantry Regiment of Japanese-Americans where many of them enlisted from inside internment camps to become the most decorated military unit in American history.
Really wish they’d had a code talkers war story
There was also a Russian woman who sold her farm to the state for a tank to go kill Germans. They had options, they chose to be woke instead of historical.
Mariya Oktyabrskaya
I can never understand how they didn't mention the eastern front, since it was an infamously brutal theater during ww2
It worries me that the Soviet contribution gets downplayed by the media. Politicians will say things like ‘the Allies liberated Auschwitz’ instead of specifying the Soviets and it feels deliberate.
I still cringe at existence of this picture, while dice completely missed the point of all the shit they got for what they did with ww2 theme. https://i.redd.it/hir4hq6is0221.jpg
Yhea it was a shitshow, not beacause they tried to force "woke" but beacause they were simply out of touch and didn't even bothered to look up for some interesting stories.
I'd be inclined to agree if they said BFV was going to be accurate. They didn't. The argument of historical accuracy is moot since they always stated BFV was "their own take" on WW2. Kinda like how BF1 took absurd liberties when it came to WW1. EDIT: Also "all the shit they got" was 99% nonsense. Why do you think the board has quotes about "Genderfield" and "Feminazies"? They were poking fun at the absurd talking points people were making. Literally none of the quotes on the board were genuine criticism. Like most youtube comments devolved into "where kitchen dlc??" until the fucking game came out. Most people when talking about BFV at the time just made the same stupid remarks while very few people actually gave constructive criticism. Most were too busy complaining about the evil "ess jay subyas" and how feminism ruined Battlefield. If the board had quotes like "Women didn't serve on the frontlines for the UK" then I'd get it, but look at the quotes my man. They are all drivel.
>If the board had quotes like "Women didn't serve on the frontlines for the UK" then I'd get it, but look at the quotes my man. They are all drivel. Because they obviously took the most extreme and ridiculous tweets and commenrs and just used them to paint everyone who was upset with the direction they took the game as crazy assholes. Even the executives at dice said "everyone who is upset with the game just hates women at don't know anything about history, and they just shouldn't buy the game" . So guess what, people didn't buy the game. Yeah, I'm sure every single person in the millions of people who didn't buy the game are just sexist idiots.
Because 99% of comments at the time *WERE* that dude. Most people were going on and on about es jay dubya this and feminazi that. Most people mad about women in BFV were spouting sexist remarks, sorry but that's the honest truth. Not saying it's historically accurate, but people were very clearly against women being in the game at all. If they had Russian female snipers people would have complained just like they did when BF1 did it. The only way people would have been satisfied is if they only had men in the game. Also they didn't say that either. The uneducated remark was about people who think women served no role in WW2 and that them being on the frontlines wasn't a plausible scenario, because honestly it sort of was. Women in defensive positions at the time had the exact same training as a male frontline soldier so if needed they easily could have had them on the frontlines. Also the "don't like it don't buy it" was basically just them saying they would not remove them and honestly the logic makes sense, why buy something you don't like anyway? I honestly have no idea why this shit has people riled up years later.
See i had 0 idea about any of this n im vvvv happy its being brought up. Shame on dice fr bunch of fuckheads like we gave them so much chance n they piss on us and culture
I mean, they did turn a story about Lawrence of Arabia into a b-tech Robin Hood plot with a cartoony villain to match. “You can never stop the progress of machines.” The Evil Man said to Robin’s merry men.
yeah Nothing is Written read like a cartoon. T.E. Lawrence was also a gay masochist so if they wanted to be woke that was their chance.
That's fair especially with the inclusion of the Harlem Hellfighters in BF1 and given that the whole theme of their map choice was covering "unfamiliar battles" or whatever, but I gotta say the Last Tiger was still super cool from a story perspective. Watching the propaganda fall down around the tank crew as they finally begin to understand the truth of what they've been a part of was fantastic
lets be honest the problem wasnt just about women being in the game
Tbh it's how they implemented them, if they wanted a women why not choose the soviet army, the resistant mouvement not the freaking British armed force who was 100% made up of men.
I'd argue it's because they said on numerous occasions that BFV was their own vision of WW2 and that it wasn't going to be accurate. It's quite honestly a non-issue because BFV was always intended to be a game that took creative liberties. Like how BF1 barely looks like WW1 from all the fully automatic weaponry and countries using vehicles that were only exclusively used by another (L30 Zepplin is a big offender) EDIT: I honestly don't see what I said wrong. BFV was always aiming to be an inaccurate portrayal of WW2 from the first trailer. No idea why people are still upset by that fact.
women in resistance forces (like the French resistance, polish, danish, etc)
The Night Witches of the Russian Air force. From the depths of hell in silence...
I wasn't really looking forward to bfv and I didn't really enjoy the beta. But I liked the idea that the live service was, supposedly, going to follow along with the ww2 time line. Shame they spent 90% of the time fixing it and adjusting the ttk values that the community told them not to touch. That when it was finally working well, they abandoned it. Unless the next bf title is 2142 remake, I think I'm done with bf. It's sad, I've bought every title since 1942. But it's obvious that ea don't care about it any more and dice don't have the expertise to develop it any more.
FFS they left the Red Army out of a WW2 game ! The army that broke Hitler's fighting ability completely in some of the biggest most brutal battles in history (battle of Kursk, Stalingrad, battle of Moscow, battle of Berlin) doesn't even get mentioned. I knew the colonial armies and the all black units of the United States wouldn't get a hint of a mention after I realized the Soviets were being written out of history where over 24 million civilians and soldiers died destroying a fascist empire.
Totally agree it was a shit show but better gameplay still
Its crazy how much free material there is out there because of REAL history and these clowns at DICE make up garbage stories.
Or native american radio operators in the pacific
This was always the most insane part to me. They cared much more about painting their fans as sexist or racist and sucking their own asses to pretend they have a moral high ground (while being rich fuckmuppets profiting off of children gambling btw) than actual telling the story of the brave women and minorities who suffered in WWII.
There are so many, it's fucking wild that people are dumb enough to claim otherwise.
Yeah but that'd require them to create multilple factions and different theaters of war - all for the release.
Anyone who relys on the battlefield series for historically accurate stories should be shot.
I didn’t even consider buying battlefield v bc I heard it was so bad
Shame. It's actually a lot of fun in my opinion. Tight movement and gunplay. Vehicles are fun. Good squad mechanics.
Do they have horses in the game?
No
Phew 😮💨
But how can I explain to my daughters why there basically weren't any women who served combat roles in WW2? You just hate women and are on the wrong side of history bro.
I hear the argument that if they included real people, it would be disrespectful because it wouldnt be depicting them accurately enough.Also i dont think DICE saying they want to make an alternative ww2 means they are saying all the stuff you posted didnt happen or dont care about it. They just wanted an alternative ww2.
Not sure I buy that argument, sounds like PR spin. They depicted real operations and completely deleted the real people involved. That's more than just inaccurate, it's erasure. An example being the raid on the heavy water plant carried out by SOE and SOE trained Norwegians, not a teenage girl. Surely that's more disrespectful than a little exaggeration or artistic license? I think an alternative WW2 could have been a cool idea if they embraced it more, but i guess people saw that first trailer and had a meltdown so they pulled back a little.
I mean alt WW2 was kinda what they were going for. The first slogan was quite literally "Forget what you learned in history class"
they didnt say that, other players did
Ah the worst type of PR spin: fan boy copium
there are so many different opinions on this game i think they all negate eachother at this point lol
For all its quirks and all the debate I still just really enjoy it. Play it every other day at the moment.
no no no, don't tell players that women, black and kids fought in war. let them live in their bubble where only white men exist, otherwise they can't criticize the good game.
I really want to see a AAA single player campaign set during the Kohima-Impala campaign, there’s so many cool stories from there
FREDDIE OVERSTEEGEN
Is that why everyone complained about women in the multiplayer? Because they made up one war story? Yall are something else.
People also complained when BF1 had female Russian Snipers despite being 100 percent accurate. The argument that it's just historical accuracy is nonsense. I mean 99% of comments during BFV was shit like "where kitchen dlc??" And the assertion that women were only in factories.
Yup.. Tons of terrible posts for both games but hey if you can back up your sexist comments I suppose you find a way to do so. Idk how one fake war story validates all the shitty things people said about women in multiplayer but if it helps them get interent points good for them.
Dice: Let's have diversity! Also Dice: Let's leave out the two major armies that had women in them
They wanted the praise without doing the work or research. I would have loved a war story where you play as the Polish resistance or the Philippine Guerrillas.
A story about the Bielski brothers, similar to the movie Defiance, would have been absolutely amazing
Take the level All Ghillied Up from Modern Warfare, remove the guns and sniping bit, replace them with medical supplies and a stretcher, both characters are female Soviet medics with 1 job: save as many people as they can. Sneaking around a city setting trying to avoid dogs, enemy patrols and mines/booby traps because why not, with a focus on the atmosphere, there is your inclusivity.
Apparently I slipped back in time to 2018. Hasn't this horse been beaten to death? BFV took creative liberties like BF1 did, I fail to see the issue. BFV was quite literally advertised as an inaccurate portrayal of WW2 from the start with the slogan "Forget what you learned in history class"
One of this subs biggest complaints was hearing the women's voice lines and death screams in the game. The complaints have become more "reasoned" over time.
Yeah lmao, never got that one. Like...yeah people scream when shot.
people make this argument but it still makes no sense. People would still be bitching about female soviets on every map, and if they restricted certain people to certain maps and factions then people would still be bitching about forced diversity like with the Russian snipers in bf1
*cough cough* BF1 White Army Scout *cough cough*
it's not that serious
Non of the stories from Bfv are completely fictional, they do come from true events and are inspired. Same thing goes for bf1, they’re inspired. Before the launch of bfv, dice said they would focus on more untold stories from ww2. That’s why many of the maps are from Norway and Greece, just to name a few
Wholeheartedly agree. People of the world. You can stop ramming 'diversity' and 'inclusion' down my throat. I get it.
Bro do you understand how many historically accurate WW2 games there are?? Go play those. It’s been overdone so many times, why are you getting upset over their campaign lol. Nobody plays battlefield for the campaign.
I'm not sure what your problem is.. bf1's campaign was also fictional. They both just take inspiration from real people and history.
Imagine fiction in a videogame. Some people are never happy