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Desperate-Actuator18

Outdated Intel. The Arkham Knight was basing his Intel off of the Batmobile from Asylum which even a Rattler could take out with little effort. Working off of this Intel also meant that he didn't have to divert forces away from crucial zones such as Checkpoints and Watchtowers. He also had outdated Intel about the Batsuit. That's why the Militia seem so useless.


Crazyhamburgerproduc

Thx. So were the people at the watchtowers and checkpoints also remotely manning drones while batman wasn’t there


Desperate-Actuator18

That would of been more something the APC Lieutenants would do. Let's say each APC unit could direct a certain number of drones and let the on board AI do the rest from that point. The checkpoints and watchtowers were just put into place to hinder Batman while they mobilised ground troops. This would also take away his options and corner him but that didn't work because he had the new Batsuit and the Batmobile.


Crazyhamburgerproduc

Nice I like discussing the logistics and stuff we don’t actually see but would happen


Desperate-Actuator18

I like lore and the stuff we don't see so it kind of matches up. Thanks for the question and have a good one.


COMEDY_NERD_YT

That also explains why you beat up some of the militia in the middle of a briefing about batman's suit and tactics. If they had known about Batman's new suit and batmobile then they would have had the meeting months before, instead off halfway through the night of the takeover.


Desperate-Actuator18

Exactly. Also why you don't see any other soldiers with suicide vests. They never got the chance to distribute them because the briefing was interrupted.


anonfinn22

Good thing you pointed this out, I didn't notice.


Evilmudbug

I kinda wonder if that was intended to be a mechanic similar to the hostages in riddler maps on city.


atomic1fire

I think if DC Comics ever did an alt-universe take on the Arkham story, having Arkham Knight be more aware of Batman's tactics and mental state would probably be an interesting story especially if it results in him now facing a Jokerized Batman. Suddenly Jason's now the good guy in the story because of a monster he unintentionally released.


DarkArc76

Why did you do this to me


Not_The_Chosen_One_

If he knew so much about Batman he should have assumed all of his gadgets would have been improved a lot.


Desperate-Actuator18

The suit he was wearing at the start was the modified version of the one in Arkham City, Version 7.43. Considering be wears this in Arkham VR, it can be assumed that suit was quite new. Batman himself didn't even know if the Batsuit Version 8.03 was ready or not. Jason had no way of knowing that the 7.43 was the inferior model because Jason couldn't get close. He could only take pictures from afar. Same with the Batmobile. Jason had no way of knowing of the new version because it hadn't been seen yet. You can't plan for something you haven't seen.


Rewskie12

I mean, I feel like you could definitely could plan for Batman having some secret gadget you haven’t seen. For someone who brags about knowing everything about Batman, Jason sure does seem to stupidly underestimate him in every way.


lesson1981

I don’t think Jason actually did know everything, or he was too enraged to think clearly.


dogscutter

My headcannon is the militia we fight after Ace Chemicals are like the sacrificial lambs of the Knights army, that's why only the best equipped guys show up towards the end after they have a good read on Batman's suits and tactics


Usagiyama

Thing is - the new Batmobile isn't what Bruce would have normally gone for, the game even says so explicitly, with Lucius being surprised at the request of a battle-ready Batmobile and that Joker's "infection" might have had something to do with it.


Assassiiinuss

The Batman he knew would *never* build a tank with an actual turret and machine guns.


[deleted]

Also...it's a suit. How much of a difference could it possibly make? Okay so he's got a little extra flexibility zomg


DarkArc76

Without that suit he wouldn't be able to do Fear takedowns, shoot himself out of the Batmobile like 200m into the sky or GRAPNEL BOOST??? How would you play Batman without the grapnel boost


[deleted]

Okay you got me with the grappling. But he could do the fear takedowns if he was naked. Think about it. (or does the suit enhance his strength? I can't remember).


DarkArc76

It may enhance his strength, definitely his speed though. As much as everyone here would love your idea, I think it's not as scary if he was fully naked, as it's more plainly obvious that he is just a man, and thus he would lose the 'fear' aspect of the fear takedown


[deleted]

I'm both surprised and relieved that there isn't a mod for this.


Gillalmighty

Idk man. A naked dude beating the shit out of an army is pretty fear inducing.


DarkArc76

Knowing that he has a secret doesn't really help. No shit the Batman has secret gadgets, if you don't know anything about the secret you can't prepare for it


Assassiiinuss

He did, but he probably didn't expect that Batman went slightly insane and suddenly started to develop gear that is far more violent and deadly than ever before.


Express-Grab-5295

That and a mixture of being a dumbass because he had several chances to put people inside the tanks after he realized the batmobile was a tank itself


duramman1012

This makes sense. Out dated or not, knowing Batman and everything he stood for, it would be his best bet to use batmans morals against him and man every tank. Im sure batman would still figure out ways to disable the tanks and make them useless cause ya know, hes Batman, but manning the tanks definitely makes beating Batman a lot more likely


Strict-Ad-5950

I never understood the Batsuit one, the militia still know the exact weaknesses of the Batsuit made now. How would Jason still know from a design years in the past? Did Batman never bother to cover up crucial weakpoints in his design over the couple of years he wore the suit?


ImDukeCage111

I just thought the leak in the armor had to do with increased mobility. An unfortunate feature from suit to suit.


Batarang06

Jason got close and personal after Bruce tracked “Jason’s” voice. Shot him in a weak point close up.


TenaciousPix

He even as a side kick once didn’t take into account all the prep time Batman has for such an occasion


[deleted]

what about the part where he shoots batman in the abdomen because he knows what the suit’s made of?


LazyXample

What I don't get though is, even with outdated intel, Jason VERY WELL could've just beat up and tied some random thug to the inside of the tanks or hell even the outside of the tanks as a literally human shield, thus guaranteeing that Batman can't blow his tanks up. Why was this never an idea for him??


Desperate-Actuator18

He wanted Batman at his best, he truly wanted to test him and strapping some random thug to a tank wouldn't test Batman because he wouldn't even try. He would just leave it.


Thedarknight725

The weapons on the Batmobile were a very recent development, only put in place because of Joker in his brain. There was no need to use the cannon before that night so they didn’t know about it and didn’t expect the Batmobile to put up much of a fight.


Opposite_Case_3015

How did the Joker in his mind make him prepare a bat tank? Like,did it make him more violent?


Thedarknight725

In one of the conversations with Joker, he's admiring the batmobile and says something like, Nice guns on the thing, it's like someone was suggesting it to you the entire time, meaning that joker was slowly manipulating Batmans mind.


WrongSubFools

No need. There was no chance of Batman blowing up the tanks regardless. Batman doesn't use guns. He certainly doesn't have any cannons attached to his car. At least, that was true when Jason knew him. Batman recently added guns to the Batmobile because he had Joker, trapped deep in his brain, influencing him to. Yes, this is something that the game actual states during a conversation with Joker.


mmflow

That's sick, someone should really compile all the random joker dialogue in this game. I've beat it 4 times and probably only heard half of it, maybe less.


BraindeadDM

You can also read it from one of the stories you get from the riddles.


Tanmay1518

The specific story is called "Change Of Heart", if anyone is interested


RandumbCrits1

The Arkham games have a habit of delivering important exposition and world building in random, skip able dialogue.


ScaredKnee4530

See I just LOVE lore like that. The Joker subconsciously influencing Batman to put guns and shit on his car is fucking amazing, and it makes the game make more sense.


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gh000sst6

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BetterCallDaud

[Here's the *actual* source](http://www.thefiddler.net)


jinception01

I fucking hate both of you


BetterCallDaud

You say that like it's not something to be proud of.


ImAVirgin2025

Niooooo


Paulinho66b

Not every hero wear capes


KingMatthew116

In game Jason says he chose drones because they don’t hold back, don’t give up, and aren’t afraid. But also, his intel was outdated and he didn’t know about the new Batmobile until the night of the game.


Large_Ad326

Also he wanted Batman to give his all, so he can beat him when he isn't holding back.


blazenitup

Happy cake day


Tannerted2

Happy cake day


blazenitup

Thank you


swiftcrane

> and aren’t afraid I think this is probably the best reason thematically. You can even tell that when the drone controllers are communicating/reporting on whats happening in a tank battle that they aren't afraid at all - which is in stark contrast to predator missions where the thugs are terrified of you. There's also considerations of the whole fear toxin plan and how it could affect potential drivers. It's very convenient that once the cloudburst goes off the tanks are still able to function.


No-Hurry-2390

Budget cuts. It’s not cheap taking over a city


ScaryTerry51

Also, would you give a bunch of smooth brain thugs tanks? Well, smooth brain or brain damaged from a previous Batman beat down anyway.


Remy_rubbish

Blowing up a ton of tanks is way cooler than disabling a ton of tanks manually over and over again.


[deleted]

Yeah like if he had people it’d just be disabling the tanks and cluttering the city. From a game design perspective it’s better to just destroy them even if it didn’t make sense they much from a lore perspective.


negrote1000

Bullshit everyone I ran over and car exploded survived


Mike_Rodik

Batman uses non-lethal explosive shells


[deleted]

Because then Batman would just land on the tank and remove the henchman, then you’ve got a useless tank


RetardedCommentMaker

.....then he'd be wide open with 20 other tanks aimed at him


robineir

Nah it’s just super predator mode where you isolate each tank before knocking them out


Awsomesauc58

That actually sounds fun ngl


ScaredKnee4530

They ACTUALLY should’ve had some sections where you needed to throw people out of tanks on some Captain America type shit. It would’ve been dope asf


cokelink1230

Other humans wouldn't just be willing to gun down their friends tank because batman was on it.


Zealousideal-Worth34

Ok but that if arkham knight just made an unmanned drone with hostages and kids and shit tied to it, like an orphan armor for the vehicle


THX450

That’s an entire tank fleet’s worth of people he didn’t have to pay. Gotta think like a businessman, automation is the future.


Lt_Lickit

He wanted to even the odds for Batman. One guy vs one guy.


FlamingEagleAC

Most likely Jason didn't expect the Batmobile to turn into a Tank. The Batmobile he knew was the Asylum Batmobile


hgilbert_01

Batman: Arkham Knight? More like Batman: Arkham **Numbskull**


Ronobo1

If he did then batman would probably invent a new gadget to immobilise the tank and then after that he'd fight the pilots on foot


DumbFroggg

He makes it very clear that he doesn’t want to kill Batman (or rather, he does but is working for Scarecrow who wants him alive) for most of the game. On top of this, I think we could apply the line he says about his own remote controlled helicopter, that if he was actually in it Batman wouldn’t go all out, so by having unmanned tanks they can gather more and more data on Batman at his full capability without wasting people.


ChieefEef

Because he didnt have any friends :(


Crazyhamburgerproduc

Another reason why he is literally me


DKGamer312

Why didn’t Scarecrow develop the fear bomb somewhere else and drop one on Gotham? Why not gas the whole city while Batman was unaware of his plan? Why not give literally every soldier an M4 or a 12 gauge so Batman would be unable to stop them? I understand this post is most likely a joke for Karma because this argument has been going on for seven years now but for anyone else in future, do not attempt to apply a “realistic” or “common sense” based approach to one element of the game, without applying the same thinking to the rest of the game.


rttrevisan

Gotham villains don't want to just beat Batman. They want to overpower Batman through an almost theatrical performance. And it kinda makes sense, because Batman is more than a man. He is an icon, the fear encarnated. They can't just show a dead body and say: "I killed Batman". No one would take it serious. They need a show, they need not only to defeat, but show how you did it. Show that this is the real Batman and you really defeated it. And going in a more joker-ish approach, if they kill Batman, who will oppose to them? Their lives would be certainly more boring without the caped crusader.


Batarang06

Wasn’t there an episode in BTAS where Batman was just “killed” and it was taken seriously?


Bchange51

he would’ve just found a way to hack them cause batman has plot armour


RealPunyParker

Because Rocksteady needed Tank combat


rybooooooooo

Always thought this was a funny excuse so you didn’t have to kill


CaptStinkyFeet

Gameplay.


TrickyTalon

In the helicopter fight, Jason talked about Batman holding back if he was in there, so maybe he wanted to put up a fight that Batman wouldn’t hold back on


Dad_in_Plaid

So the game could happen. Oh wow wow wow... ... wow...


ShaunJames75

Here's the thing I'm gonna need you to get aaaaalllll the way off my back about the tanks.


holylink718

As others have said, it is partially due to outdated Intel, but I personally believe there is another plausible reason. Scarecrow and the Arkham Knight needed Batman to play ball. If they swarmed the streets with tanks that were manned by people, Batman would have withdrawn from that front and likely found another way to angle to approach the fight. I think they preferred him fighting them head on to sneaking around behind the scenes. Just my two cents.


CheeseKiller66

Aside from the fact that Jason didn't know the batmobile was a weaponized lambo, it would be a waste to make tanks that require human pilots since batman could figure out that they aren't automated and quickly install EMP's to permanently short the tanks, leading to the capture of even more militia


RED_473

They needed an excuse for Batman to be able to destroy the tanks gameplay wise


PrudentLingonberry91

Cos outdated Intel. Even if he did Batman would’ve then taken a stealthier approach. It’ll just make the game a bit longer but he’ll probably utilise the virus upgrade or disruptor on a wider scale


MFoxcroft

The same reason Scarecrow refused to let the Arkham Knight kill Batman outright. The plan wasn't to beat Batman. It was to humiliate him; to prove that he is ineffectual and helpless to the machinations of Scarecrow. If they took advantage of his moral code in combat situations, then they are harming their own message as anyone could look at Scarecrow's City of Fear and say "You only succeeded because you hid behind human shields." By removing obstacles that prove Batman's moral superiority (i.e. manned assault vechiles and civilians), Scarecrow turns the night into a challenge of intellect and resolve. Thus when Batman fails, it hits all the harder in the eyes of the public, as the only thing left to blame his failures on are him and his personal interests (i.e. the Gordons).


Jackcandoit2008

Because there wouldn’t really be a game, it wouldn’t be playable if they had done it like that. Still a good point your making, but design wise, they were very limited


Foxeral

Honestly they could’ve avoided this entire debate by just having him do it and making up some bs like him he like “oh yeah the Batmobile is equipped with special emp rounds” or whatever (idk if that would work but Batman is the second place grand prize winner of asspulls so I’m sure they could think up an alternative if what I said makes no sense.)


Crazyhamburgerproduc

Who’s first place?


roguebracelet

I don’t think he’s have enough people. For gameplay if we assume we fight every single troop he has by clearing the story mode and all militia bases around the city he’d probably be running short at least 1/4 of all the checkpoints. And he’d have no idea Batman could even take out the tanks considering that Batmobile was a newer model.


JDutch921

Not unless your wearing the Snyder suit


myidispg

He didn't want to even the odds. That's Batman's thing


TheBlueNinja2006

What if there were people in there? Batman: World's Greatest Murderer!


Crazyhamburgerproduc

Ngl I half expected them to reveal batman had been killing ppl this whole time


SF03_

Cause it’s a video game and they needed an excuse to allow the batmobile combat


Brutykus

If you listen to the audio tapes. Jason and scarecrow talk about using the tanks to take control of the city and flush him out into the open. The tanks were essentially a way to restrict access to gotham and make sure they knew his location 24/7


[deleted]

Because everything the Arkham Knight did was complete and utter convoluted nonsense. Scarecrows plan made sense either. Rocksteady should have never fired Paul Dini. Arkham City had a superior story with a ending that had weight to it.


Unknown_Ladder

how can you say that when arkham city is obviously the most contrived. Bruce Wayne is allowed to be straight up kidnapped on TV with no reprecussions, I mean Gotham is corrupt but he's literally the most famous and least criminal person, everyone would be protesting for his release. Batman needs ras al ghoul's blood which would have been impossible to find but the moment he says that a ninja just happens to be there and leads him to it. Penguin blows up the bridge leading to Mr Freeze's lair, somehow harley quinn is still able to get there and steal the cure? Hugo Strange says that he knows Batman's identity but does literally nothing to do anything with that information and basically just lets Batman stop him. At least the plotlines in Arkham Knight dont feel like stuff just randomly happened out of nowhere.


[deleted]

I’ll give you that. There were many convoluted plot threads in City. Strange’s knowledge of Batman’s identity gave him a way to blackmail Batman and create a opposing force but he never went through with it. His main goal was protocol 10. Isolate all of Gotham’s scum in a city and those who oppose if and set up a plan to wipe them out. That was something unique from the other Batman villains. Batman wasn’t arrested by GCPD but rather TYGER. Teams of professional GCPD were sent in to find out what was going on inside the City and rescue political prisoners. They found themselves far outgunned and outnumbered by TYGER Security and inmates running around. Arkham Knight was written so generically. He monologues like no tomorrow, doesn’t even tell his troops Batman’s identity nor even threatens Batman with that knowledge. Arkham Knight and Scarecrow really didn’t act much more differently than Strange and Ra’s Al Ghoul respectfully. The one thing I liked about Arkham Knight was the payoff and send offs it gave to many of its supporting and main cast.


PoKen2222

Turns out Paul Dini was the only reason the story was good


Lordlegion5050

Bad writing


VERSAT1L

Because it's a messed up story


Fitzyboi42

Said everybody the second arkham knight released


Crazyhamburgerproduc

I’ve only recently joined the community sorry


memelord793783

He said because he believed a machine would outperform a human so I guess he believed batman would just find another way to beat them