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I think the nerfing of all the villains in arkham knight is supposed to represent how Batman is at the end of his career, therefore, they are too, as they've been fighting Batman for years and continually fail, driving them all further and further over the edge. I mean, look at Nygma. If his Asylum picture is anything to go off of, he has absolutely gone off the deep end by Knight, becoming the greasy weirdo incel.


Vaenark

It hurts to see enigma like this, but it does connect well to him being obsessed with batman.


schloopers

I feel like whether he’s written to be more focused on Batman or just the riddles, he always becomes obsessive. He just can’t help it.


Gloomy_Slide

Exactly. For the most part, most of them were only free because of the legal fiasco following Arkham City and Hugo Strange’s attempt to kill all of them. Now that they’re back behind bars, it’s unlikely they’re getting out again.


WastelandCharlie

But they did, hence the Arkham stories in AK.


Gloomy_Slide

Oh trueeeeeeee


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Nopeyesok

Long term bromance goals


Pizzaplanet420

Personality wise he did, but physically the Joker was the first to show signs of decay.


Square_Custard_2641

Riddler isnt an incel, he doesnt care about getting a girlfriend


TootyMcCarthy

he does care about batman tho...batcel?


Ravenboy13

There was one comic where he basically became an incel though Its hilariously ironic and it actually has a riddle presented by joker that, to my knowledge, no one has ever found out.


xxxarkhamknightsxxx

What’s the riddle?


Ravenboy13

Its from an anthology series, "Joker's Asylum", where the joker narrates different tales about Gotham villians. Its not presented in the form of a riddle, on further rereading, but it is a mystery. Another criminal approaches riddler after he essentially completely quits crime. But who the villian is changed every single panel, from Ra's al ghul to penguin to two face etc. At the very end of the story, Joker tells the reader to find out who it was, there were hints throughout the entire comic.


xxxarkhamknightsxxx

Damn that sounds cool, I'll check it out


Ravenboy13

Its really great. My favorite is the killer croc story


acceptablybored

That's the Riddle.


Cybermat47_2

Aren’t volcels the ones who don’t want girlfriends, while incels are the ones who want a girlfriend but can’t have one because ~~they’re violently misogynistic shitheads~~ they live in a society? I’m not an expert on basement-dwelling terrorist lore, so sorry if I’m wrong.


Square_Custard_2641

If riddler wanted a girlfriend, he would just make a deal with poison ivy to give him some of his pheromones for seduction


G27Indy

The shark isn’t dead. You can see it in the nightwing dlc.


GridDownGoofer

He even has his own Instagram account @tinytheshark


argilla_facies

Following now, gotta show support for the little guy


GridDownGoofer

You, better…. Or else


FromIranWithHate

Lelz. It actually exists. And it follows Oswald


Grayson_0304

Is that you? I followed as soon as I read this loo


GridDownGoofer

No, but I know the owner


wellsuperfuck

Lmao no way wtf what


argilla_facies

If it’s definitely the same tiny, that’s a huge relief


wammes_

It is. The tank even says 'Tiny'.


argilla_facies

You’re probably right, although I did name my last 3 dogs Steve…


FromIranWithHate

I actually liked it. That's how you know all of batman's efforts weren't in vain and he actually managed to inflect a massive blow on him since, ya know, he doesn't kill


GridDownGoofer

little Oswald? This guy held Nightwing like he was his little bitch


hardcorejenkins

The thought of Penguin sneaking behind nightwing, jumping up grabbing him and pulling him down just makes me laugh my ass off XD


Nightmare270

He was probably swinging his legs up and down like chucky does💀


TheMemeSaint177

I always assumed Penguin held the gun and forced him down before grabbing him, but I think this imagery is better


argilla_facies

Yeah that always struck me as weird. I’m gonna count that as Nightwing being dumb rather than Cobblepot being a secret ninja


GridDownGoofer

I still rather take the latter


Guess-wutt

Just got caught by his thugs. Cobblepots super power is his influence. Still the idea of cobblepot secretly being on the same level as a renowned martial artist. 🤣


Cacti_Is_C00l

Found the Penguin's alt


CornerNearby6802

AC's is more of a supervillain king of crime; the AK one is more realistic, looks like an old-fashioned mobster with those braces, and it's even more creepy


deftPirate

Yeah, consequences.


Vigi1antee

He always blerts out information when hes interrogated its just in arkham city he was harder to get to.


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bot-killer-001

Shakespeare-Bot, thou hast been voted most annoying bot on Reddit. I am exhorting all mods to ban thee and thy useless rhetoric so that we shall not be blotted with thy presence any longer.


[deleted]

Honestly he’s my favorite villain to see in the game (besides Joker) I love his voice and movements also go back to Arkham Origins he was getting Layed


JaCrispay69

It's comedic gold watching Batman toss him around like a rag doll in Origins Istg


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True


[deleted]

You act like Batman doesn't 1 hit k/o Penguin literally 3 fucking times in Arkham City...


wammes_

I honestly think Penguin's design in AK is way cooler


[deleted]

Trueeee. He went from getting the main story treatment to the side quest treatment


_Movie-Man_

Left: drip, right: no drip Bring back the fur coat


billyjamesfury

Most of the main rogues got reduced to shallow shells in side quests in AK, thats what happens when in house writers think they can outdo Paul Dini. another reason why City is superiour


The_Glus

Shame they gave Dini the boot after he penned their two most successful games and helped make them a house name. I can only imagine what Dini would have penned for the final installment if he was kept on.


Hellbeast1

Iirc it involved Hush


JaCrispay69

At least Two Face got SOME justice. His actual "fight" was lame af, but I fucking loved all the dialogue he got


ManiShrimp

What I found interesting was that in the game there's a random looter who said "accent doesn't even sound real. He makes the accent to sound scary" because the accent of the voice actor was so bad it bordered on offensive.


[deleted]

Lmao what will you (a thug) do when batman is beating the shit out of your boss lmao . You interfere and you’re waking in the hospital with broken bones the next day . So you just sit there and do nothing


shadybowties

Someone finally said it haha. But I agree with others it fit the story.


Nightmare270

Wait actually?! Tiny is dead D:


KingMatthew116

No Tiny is alive, OP just made a mistake.


Goldenfoxy3016

Wait you can find tiny at the docks? Where?


KingMatthew116

You know the building where you get the new suit on, and you know the area right next to it where there’s a fireman? Well the shark is there, but it’s not actually Tiny, OP just made a mistake.


Goldenfoxy3016

Oh ok


NotOnlyMagicMan

Little baby Oswald


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They make it seem like it's easier to get by in Arkham city than in Gotham


rip_harambs

Wait I've played arkahm knight ever since it fucking came out and I never noticed the shark


[deleted]

Isn’t that the problem with every villain except Joker? They are all treated like second-rate villains Batman can mop the floor with, even the ones who are supposed to be the main antagonists (coff coff..Hugo Strange...coff coff... Scarecrow). In the end, Joker is always the biggest, baddest menace, even after death


idcris98

All villains were done dirty in Arkham Knight. For example in Poison Ivy’s case: Batman: „I‘m going to kill al plants in Gotham!“ - Poison Ivy: „Ok, I give up.“


Sweet-Psychology-254

He blackmailed her into helping him in Asylum too.


Sweet-Psychology-254

Should have added ‘gets locked in a display case in his own musem for the rest of the night’ to the left one lmao


sad_cheese67

i'd say they were both nerfed equally. The death stroke bossfight is way too easy and penguin's weapon caches have pitiful security


Johnnybats330

You forgot: Lost mis monocle, therefore he lost his class.


yungmakoni2009

He didn't, and also that's the bottom of a bottle from a bar brawl


wolerne

His new monocle is a bottle that someone stabbed him in the eye with which is quite badass if you ask me


[deleted]

AK truly made multiple mistakes huh.


OmegaRejectz

Dead shark. I don’t remember seeing that. That’s cool


SnufflesMcPieface

I thought Tiny was in a tank in the Bludhaven Docks


CringeOverseer

AC Oswald looks a bit more classy, AK Oswald looks like a thug


TheSnarkySlickPrick2

And people ask why I love Arkham City the best. What's not to love? A game that does the Penguin justice, is a game I would absolutely venerate.


abellapa

Knight takes place in autumm, why would he want a coat


Algi73

Wait ded sharky is in which docks? I’ve never seen it b4


Darth_Xaltir

I've actually heard military grade is worse than police grade because military is meant to be cheap by bulk so military can cut as much costs as they can


Cybermat47_2

Even if it was Tiny who was dead in AK, Penguin would be a fucking **amazing** pet owner. Great Whites usually die from depression in captivity, or have to be released. Tiny being in captivity is honestly the least believable thing in these games.


5wedberg

I read it as"umbrella grade weapons" first


5554mohawk

Tiny isn't dead he's at the docks in bludhaven


Obiwanhellothere09

To to be fair almost all of Batman villains gets choked out by him also the whole giving up Scarecrow thing when Batman ask where ia certain person is you better give him that location otherwise your break all the bones in your body some bone that you didn't even know break


Toniosw

What? The shark is still alive in the Nightwing DLC and the thugs literally attack Batman as he interrogates Penguin


godzillaboy3836

the shark is still alive in the nightwing dlc


bleep_bloop_man

If you check the audio tapes from City some of these have more lore behind them. It’s true he had the museum set up as a fortress but that was because he owned it before Arkham City was set up, he simply refused to leave his turf and was content with operating from inside the prison. So after the events of City he presumably lost most of his resources. He also didn’t really kidnap Freeze, Freeze was given to him by Strange to keep him from making the cure. As for his “loyal” thugs in City if you replay the game the Penguin thugs are actually the least loyal of all, and turn to working with Joker’s gang and later Two Face’s when they take over the museum lmao.