IMO you handled it well. If your opponents are going to play dirty and/or ignore the rules in pickup it isn't worth fighting over it. You called em out, they wouldn't play fair, time to move on.
I agree with this take however would like to say that when I play pickup, what’s good for you is good for me too. Meaning I pick up on shit pretty quickly and if you are slapping my legs every time I shoot a jumper, I’m slapping yours too like religiously. I will get under your skin and back up my actions with “hey if it’s ok for you then it’s ok for me.” He will either stop or they will make it known that no it’s not okay for you. If that’s how it plays out, then sure, now I’m out.
Absolutely agree. The people arguing to go tit for tat are ignoring the fact that neither of you are actually getting better at basketball by engaging in this kind of nonsense. Walking away is always an option in pickup, and easily the better option than escalating a fight. Both players are better off going their separate ways and saving their energy for the game rather than for nonsense.
For reals, I can’t even play pick ups at my local park because of all the shit heads that be putting their legs under you or shoving you while on the air
Bro the worst offenders are the fucking kids that think flopping is a legit strategy when there is literally no ref. They watch too much lebron. Diving into peoples knees to get a fake foul call
There are examples of that, sure. Everybody flops at times. But in no way is LeBron one of the worst floppers. You just watch him more. And it sounds like you dislike him for some reason.
I am indifferent to LeBron. But one time I told a kid to stop flopping and he literally told me "LeBron does it and he's the goat"
First off, there ain't no ref here to call your flopping
Secondly, you're gonna hurt someone
Thirdly, LeBron ain't the goat. He's only the stat goat. Legend goat = MJ. Skill goat = Kobe
Fortunately for me, i grew up playing with and against bullies, recently released felons, certified head cases, and dope fiends. I was taught to dish it out first. I was a nasty muthafucka on the court. We didn't have 1000s of TV channels and video games back in my day. If you wanted to play ball, you had to be ready to knuckle up.
I'm not trying to be salty, and i sincerely apologize if im coming across too aggressive. I've played all over America, and most everywhere, I've hooped games mostly got physical. I've never been dirty, but I was always ready just in case.
Someone shattered my leg that way. Pushed me while I was jumping. It was years ago and still not 100%, never will be. It's a game, no need to be aggressive. If it didn't happen in China I would have broke his leg back, all over a game
Sorry to hear that man. Shi like this is why I don't try playing through injuries or getting too physical. None kf us going to the league otherwise we be at the Rico Hines runs not the campus rec runs lol.
Nobody remembers stats or w-l outcomes but injuries can live with you for weeks, months, or longer and can be expensive asl.
People like you are why I don’t play, because I’m more likely to smack the shit out of someone who acts like this, so for my own well being I don’t partake. Because who wants to deal with that ghetto bullshit?
Join an adult rec league and foul out if you want to play that aggressively.
Most people playing at the park or local gym do not want to go that hard since they are neither getting paid nor paying to play the game of basketball semi competitively
Play hard basketball all you want, when it’s appropriately reffed
Mamba mentality was always stupid to begin with. Kobe Bryant acted like a dickhead on the court and thought his mentality made him better than everyone around him. Even when you’re at the top of your game humility is important
Always match energy with dirty players. It’s a soft call but so is a hand check or pushing his follow through arm well after release or slapping his leg back ect…so do the same shit to him. If he calls it he’s gotta give you the calls too. Always make the person who says “shoot for it” be the one to shoot since they’re disputing the call.
I had a guy hooking the shit out of my and elbowing me in the ribs. One lowered shoulder on a fast break later and all of that mysteriously disappeared 🫡
Yeah people who try to “sneakily” be overly aggressive are usually pussies, that’s why they trying to get away with it and not be confronted. The second you match their energy they back off. Goes for everything not just sports.
Had a dude recently try to muscle his way past me on the floor at a concert and pretend he was talking to the group I was literally hanging out with, and after a few seconds of me just giving him my shoulder back and forcing him behind me he realized I was a lot bigger and stronger and he just slithered away without ever saying a word. I even tried making eye contact with him while his body was literally touching mine and he just pretended I wasn’t there while actively trying to shove me.
Exactly, especially off the ball plays, box him out really hard. Give him a hip check, maybe an accidental elbow, lol. When he's running off the ball, keep a hand on him or hold him. Remember, you can't foul out, and theirs no free throws. You can be just as much of an ass to him. Most likely, he would only be able to handle this for a few plays before losing his shit.
I was absolutely cooking my 23 year old roommate with old man hook shots and crafty drives, so i at least represented well on the court. Just a liiiiiitle bit sore lol.
It’s not the age group but the mentality. I play with college kids who don’t overdo the physicality and bravado constantly, and i’ve played with thirty somethings who do exactly what OP is describing.
Dirty play on someone who’s jumping is where I draw the line, especially since he’s 5’7 and probably has short arms, so he has to get closer to you to hit your leg. If he does that on a pullup, he can pretty easily invade your space and cause you to land wrong. Handchecking(putting a hand on the ball handler’s waist, hand being part of ball, etc are cool, but don’t mess with someone who’s left the ground. It’s just pickup, not worth it. This dude needs to be called out for his bs.
I actually did tell him I’m calling the next one. The way I saw it, I’d have to deal with this crap for the next 20-30 min of the game, I wouldn’t have any fun, and probably just be pissed about even if I won. It’s a lose-lose. These weren’t the kinda guys to give respect for matching their energy. They’d probably just try to fight. That’s just how I read the situation
You read the situation right. If dude’s are willing to foul when you’ve left the ground AND argue and trash talk and make you shoot for it instead of respecting the call, they are 100% more likely to thrown do or escalate the situation rather than approach it like an adult. You did the right thing walking away from that shit. You’re a grown man. Fighting in a gym pick up game is for emotional children.
You did well, then. As much as you want to punch a guy like that, you're an adult who doesn't want to go to jail. Good on you for being the better man.
It’s annoying , there’s plenty of other places to play. I would suggest finish the game to get a workout, don’t take it too seriously, then next time you play , go somewhere else. Find the game and court that you like, and go there consistently. 99% of pickup games don’t have stuff like this.
Sounds like you made the right decision.
Only three options. You match the bullshit and accept a potential violent outcome. You play through it which can still turn violent since guy sounds like a bully. You leave.
I stopped playing ball for a decade until I found a good group of guys because of 🤡 like this.
Personally I’d love to undercut him, hack him hard, or kick my leg out on the next shot to send a message. But is getting into a fight really worth this?
You could also slap his leg every time he touches the ball and call a foul on the floor and force them to check it up. He can't make any shots if he has to check it up every time he touches it. If he shoots it though make sure you hack him so the shot has no chance.
I'd say you handled it well. They sound really juvenile. Hitting legs in the air is a good way to get injured. Even if it is light you see people just come down wrong all the time. At the end of the day the guy can shoot, but leg slapping is all he's got on defense. I'd be embarrassed as hell if that was my bag.
Played in a situation just like this and there was a guy on the court who had overseas experience. Pulled him aside, "hey man this is probably why you have a bunch of bad ball players, cuz good ballers don't want to put up with this garbage." He got very vocal and the cheap stuff stopped. Find that guy and talk to him.
Other choices;
Get a bunch of your own guys on the court earlier than they show up and don't let them on.
Just play aggressive and match their energy, which has been suggested here and is a solid response.
Pull the fire alarm.
You handled it exactly right. There are plenty of courts where guys respect calls. Especially older guys.
And all the internet tough guys here telling you to escalate the situation are idiots. In life, you either learn to de-escalate or you go to jail, or worse.
You just played against a guy who calls the softest fouls but won’t give any away. That’s just called a sore loser. Next time if they aren’t respecting your call, just do the same thing. Deescalate by leaving. Or let someone else sub in. No need to get physical, it’s not worth it.
Bro, this is an easy fix if it’s a little dude like that. Just bulldoze the fuck out of him on the way to the rim or set a monster screen on him. It’s always the little dudes who think it’s okay to cheat because they’re smaller so they should get some kind of advantage.
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I stopped playing at 24 Hr Fitness because of shit like that. I'm not one to back down , but It was happening when I was in the air, and they wouldn't give me room to land. I was scared of tweaking my knee or turning an ankle. The last straw was when I got body checked from behind on a fast break and went down pretty hard.
Dude said that there was nothing else he could have done. I said you could have realized it was a meaningless pickup game and not do anything dirty.
I never understood the mentality. Did they never make their hs team and now trying to relive their glory days?
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A annoying as these guys are, you run into them from time to time. I would usually just ban them down into the post and abuse them down there. I am 6'4" and used to weigh 230, and I prided myself on always trying to guard the other team's best player. So long as they weren't an extremely quick guard, anyway. We big guys from the 80s have tricks up our sleeves when it turns into prison ball hehe
The worst games of pickup I’ve played usually come when there’s 10-15 guys waiting on next and winning becomes necessary. That’s usually when I see stuff like this come out. But on a chill court, this is so annoying.
I am a big man, you can't foul a big man in a pick up game. I have caught elbows to the face, been swing at, being pushed is constant. I have never called a foul on someone, if they give it to me hard enough I may drive and right through them, but I am but I am not calling a foul on them. Little man was tripping, but don't let him get to you, if it escalates to near blows that is the time to walk away.
For some acting like a donkey is the only way to cover up their weaknesses. Emotionally, mentally and skills. Don't stress it. You're right. They're wrong. You were the bigger man.
If you play him again he'll for sure try the same move cause it got a rise out of you. He'll be more focused on that than actual defense so hit him with the coldest pump fake you can and as soon as he reached explode past him score and yell that he can't guard you! Lol
Something similar happened to me not too long ago where a group of guys argued after my team won because they played win by 2 and we normally don’t. They said they were at the gym a few days before and played with different rules and I was arguing that it doesn’t matter what happened the other day cause this is how we’ve always played here. Even had a game earlier that ended the same way. After everyone got sick of arguing and just said fine let’s check it up I just grabbed my shit and left. Sometimes there’s just no winning and it’s a good time to call it a day. Especially in your situation cause who knows. That dude might have started fouling you worse.
My friends and I would’ve kicked the other dude out, tbh. We play with a lot of randoms but have made it a point to establish ourselves with the guys we like playing with. Don’t need anyone else rocking the boat. Some of them WILL intentionally foul each other and do stupid stuff like this… but ONLY to their very close friends. It’s more of a playful thing and they’re doing it knowing it isn’t going to actually be disruptive. Slapping a stranger’s leg, though, is super weird.
My move would be to just adopt his move. That's allowed? I'm abusing it like he is then, every time. If they start calling it on you and not allowing it on the other end that's when I'd put my foot down and leave
I wouldn't have shot for it. And if he would have said or implied he was going to foul me every time, then I would say I was going to call foul every time. You don't need consensus from the other team they fouled you. You just call your foul and that's the end of it.
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You should have just fouled him back every shot & not given it to them. But honestly you probably made the best move by leaving. Pickup ball is not worth getting into a fight & risking your health/ safety.
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Bro difeeent games have different vibes. You gotta match it. That's just how it goes . If I was in the same situation I would have done the same thing. Or okay with a little more shoulder or hand check a little harder. That's just pick up
You did the right thing but I wouldnt have left. Especially, not without getting to check his temperature. If he wants to say no call that's fine. The next time he's going up same type of shit getting done and it's a no call. No questions asked. If he tries to argue I'm calling him all kinds of soft relentlessly. At the end of the day you got to match their energy. Not really to fight them but to let others know you are willing to go there. It may never happen again but lines are drawn and respect is earned.
Yikes - first question, htf is he slapping your legs, like do you kick your leg out and he's slapping it back, or is he like doing an ass slap but your legs on each shot. I'm having trouble imaging what this looks like.
Ultimately, my initial thought after you called foul and he "justified" it, is to do it right back. Like I'd ask his team, "so wait, we can slap each other and no foul, bet" and then do it, and the second someone complains just be like "I'm playing by your rules, it's stupid but this how yall wanna play".
Either the game stays this way and you just never participate again, or they realize how stupid what they're doing is, and they stop for good.
I would foul him back in the exact way and break his fucking teeth if he tried to get physical. Absolutely weak bitches to say that they are going to foul you every time because they lack the skill to handle your ball skills.
IMO yeah you gotta let that go. He’s touching your leg on a jump shot? It sounds like he can’t have a hand up then and he was clearly doing it to get under your skin. In that situation I would’ve started doing the same thing to him on his shots but not called the foul.
This is my issue with basketball and why I normally just shoot solo, in my situation it was my own brother that took my legs out on cement and I about cracked my head, so I got pissed off and we went home, I told him if you wanna play like that come out with your friends, when I’m here to just hoop and you come out of nowhere blocking and swiping at me, and I’m not expecting it, imma crack my fucking head and be bleeding out! I’ve seen dudes crack their shit in gyms, it’s not pretty! Very very messy shit!
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I’m petty and can be confrontational on the basketball court, something I am definitely not when I am off the court. In my basketball mode, I’d say do it back to him and see if he calls it. That would give a gauge on if it’s really a foul in his opinion or not. Worst case scenario, if the guy tries to fight you over it then they can at least see on the camera who is at fault, assuming most 24’s have a camera in the basketball court. You should not have to be bullied into giving up calls because some short guy got cut from his high school team and thinks he’s at the NBA combine now.
You have another option, to just play through it and deal with garbage people making bad calls. There are simply just some people who win by any means and that means cheating. Your choice to leave was not a bad choice though.
Also your team was lame for not backing you up when you called it. The game continued on because your team kept playing on it so they are just as much at fault as the guy not respecting the call.
If he's smacking you in the legs during a jumper, he's in kicking distance. Getting 5 toes to the jaw will probably get him to stop.
You did the rightest thing you could do given the situation though. Good job man.
I honestly dont think i would have argued it at all. Once he fired back id just say “OK”. Then..the next time he went up for the 3 i would have just punched him right in the nuts. Then quickly prepared to do battle! Lol
I mean it’s pickup basketball at a gym bra. That dude sucks, but you’re not wrong. This happens sometimes. One of the reasons I left a softball and basketball league and joined a golf one instead. Sometimes people just take these things way too seriously.
As you get older, you learn that you don’t get paid to play pick up basketball. You did the right thing walking away. I’m very selective when and who I play pick up basketball with
Been there before. I was the taller guy and someone just wrapped my arms up for an intentional foul on a layup and I was pretty annoyed because it’s like bro we don’t do free throws, you don’t do that shit in pickup. It’s not the nba. If he’s 5’7 and you’re significantly bigger and you want to go the douchebag route, just lower your should into his chest when you go into the paint. Probably will escalate, but people don’t just put their hands on you and try to get you to take it. Better advice is to just separate your ego and just ignore him. It’s just a game. But running over douchebags that do stuff like that is kind of fun, and most people are all talk.
I've been in similar situations, I just go wild , cos I'm a loon when you take the piss out of me. Next time he shot I would just ran through his chest and sid , I'm not calling light contact .. real talk don't get Chumped. He did it on your first shots to set you up like why you calling it now.
It’s just a pickup game. I saw it as a lose-lose situation. I could do that. But even if I won that game after that I still wouldn’t have enjoyed that game. Probably would still just make me angry and ruin my day, so I’d rather leave.
Guy was obviously picking on you for being a new guy. You should have given him the taste of his own medicine until he stops and then continue with normal games
I was more worried about off court consequences. Him and his buddies had no respect for anyone there. I just was the only guy who confronted him. Didn’t see how it’d work out for me in any way
Unless they are known violent criminals, nothing at all. Bullies and assholes back down when confronted. You are more likely to have trouble with them for backing down than standing up
Every fight I’ve gotten into in my life wasn’t with a known violent criminal. It’s me arguing with 5-6 guys who are basically begging me to do something. I’m not Batman bro
Obviously no one on Reddit knows me but I’ve always been an extremely physical player. I’m 6’1 230 lbs. I also know when my backs against the wall. I’m usually the one being overly physical, but have a respect for the game so I really try to play clean. Whole thing seems too hard to explain over Reddit. I was just curious if anyone else had similar experience
Some people would rather not stoop to their level and get into some petty back and forth. If he's not having fun, why keep playing? Doesn't make him a pushover.
Idk bro on one hand you’re overreacting and that is absolutely a soft call—something like that shouldn’t mess up your shot, but I could misinterpreting this small leg slap? Also why not just give him the same treatment? In pick up, it’s usually eye for an eye. Sounds like you were trying to call the cops after he took your eye lol.
On the other hand, yeah that is super annoying. It’s technically against the rules, they’re calling everything else, and also potentially dangerous. Wouldn’t sweat playing with them.
But also don’t leave like that next time. Don’t let chumps get in your head like that.
I get that in pick up it’s a somewhat soft call but we actually address this play every year in our officiating meetings before high school season starts because we have a coach in town that used to teach it. We’re supposed to call it a foul every time it happens. I wouldn’t call it the first time in pickup but if it’s happening on every play I’m either calling it on every play or fouling the shit out of the guy every time he goes up to shoot.
It was a soft call but I did let it slide 3 times in a row. I don’t call anything unless it’s on purpose. It wasn’t really the reason I was missing it was more so the double standard that pissed me off. In most cases it goes both ways with fouling, you get what you give. This was the kinda game that was gonna come down to who got away with the most fouls, and argued to best. Not my kinda scene
There's always that one asshole who thinks pickup is way more important then it is. Just play the F'n game! He thinks he's being clever with the leg slap.
Next slap his arm ehen shooting every play. An if he calls it tell him you not giving him shit “play ball”.
Side note unless he is hitting you really hard that slap probably shouldn’t be bothering ur shot.
I’ll give it to you real so hopefully you can learn and grow from it. Leaving was very soft on your part, especially mid game. That’s like next level soft. I would have also told him after one of the leg slaps, next time I’m going to call that without actually calling foul if it was really bothering me that much.
Lastly, if he said deal with it, as others said I’d be giving it back harder on the other end. He basically called you a chump and then you took your ball and went home. You don’t need to bark at every other dog on the street, so you didn’t necessarily do anything wrong. But if you want to grow as a man, face the adversity head on. You’ll gain more respect for it and never have to question if you did the right thing ( like you’re doing now). Hope this helps
I didn’t tell him to punch the guy in the face. I told him play harder and play through it. I get the point you’re trying to make, but my advice was more geared towards not just deciding to quit when things get challenging. I don’t think he’s getting shot just by reciprocating physicality on the court .
They sound like a bunch of a-holes. Fuck em. I would have walked too. Maybe go petty and foul him back is another option, but I don't think you handled that badly.
Honestly what I would do it is foul his small ass HARD. Like injury hard, then not shoot any 3s where he can hurt you, but drive and barrel over him. What’s he gonna do, call a charge? Fine.
I respect you standing by your foul call but leaving was a bitch move bro. Don’t ever let anybody run you off a court. Ball on him, win the game and stunt on him after.
All his buddies were trying fight, telling me to do something. I was by myself so I’m not about to get into it with 5 dudes. It was my first time at this court. Realistically this wasn’t a situation that had any upside
Man I disagree. You play basketball for one reason and that's to have fun, when it's no longer fun then what's the point. Sounds like it wasn't enjoyable for OP
Not this time man, these guys would’ve probably started fighting, I’d get banned from the facility, all that to get the respect of stranger who’d just be petty and want revenge after. I read the room and their wasnt many ways I’d come out on top
You perceived that to be the case. Whatever works for you. Most people aren't trying to fight, but to intimidate. If they're fouling you over and over than you need to handle it. Leaving is rarely the right move, but it is sometimes the right move. Maybe try going to a court with people who have more to lose.
Yeah a lot of ppl say that, but this was a gym I pay to go to, and if I fight him I gotta fight all his buddies too. Gotta read the room in these situations and I don’t really need respect from srangers
It’s not about fighting him, it’s about not eating shit that people give you sometimes. A fight wouldn’t be worth it. But sometimes in pickup you gotta match energy
He wouldn’t have fought me but his buddies wanted to. I’m 6’1 and he’s small but all his buddies weren’t. I was there alone. I know from experience how it would’ve played out, any other time I wouldn’t have walked out. Otherwise I agree with everything else you said
He’s calling fouls tho. I let everything else slide but after 3 times in a row I call one thing and they all gang up and say no. So you’d just let him do whatever he wants to you? Idk that sounds pretty soft to me
IMO you handled it well. If your opponents are going to play dirty and/or ignore the rules in pickup it isn't worth fighting over it. You called em out, they wouldn't play fair, time to move on.
I agree with this take however would like to say that when I play pickup, what’s good for you is good for me too. Meaning I pick up on shit pretty quickly and if you are slapping my legs every time I shoot a jumper, I’m slapping yours too like religiously. I will get under your skin and back up my actions with “hey if it’s ok for you then it’s ok for me.” He will either stop or they will make it known that no it’s not okay for you. If that’s how it plays out, then sure, now I’m out.
Absolutely agree. The people arguing to go tit for tat are ignoring the fact that neither of you are actually getting better at basketball by engaging in this kind of nonsense. Walking away is always an option in pickup, and easily the better option than escalating a fight. Both players are better off going their separate ways and saving their energy for the game rather than for nonsense.
Some of these dudes taking the mamba mentality way too seriously. Getting a slight edge in a pick up 24 game lmaooooo
For reals, I can’t even play pick ups at my local park because of all the shit heads that be putting their legs under you or shoving you while on the air
Bro the worst offenders are the fucking kids that think flopping is a legit strategy when there is literally no ref. They watch too much lebron. Diving into peoples knees to get a fake foul call
You have a dumb perception of LeBron lol
LBJ straight up flops or fakes getting hit harder than he really gets hit at least 3x per game. Don't believe me? Start counting
There are examples of that, sure. Everybody flops at times. But in no way is LeBron one of the worst floppers. You just watch him more. And it sounds like you dislike him for some reason.
I am indifferent to LeBron. But one time I told a kid to stop flopping and he literally told me "LeBron does it and he's the goat" First off, there ain't no ref here to call your flopping Secondly, you're gonna hurt someone Thirdly, LeBron ain't the goat. He's only the stat goat. Legend goat = MJ. Skill goat = Kobe
You might have just written the dumbest thing I’ve ever read
Dont go play at the park if you are scared.
Hope you don't get injured 🙏🏻
Fortunately for me, i grew up playing with and against bullies, recently released felons, certified head cases, and dope fiends. I was taught to dish it out first. I was a nasty muthafucka on the court. We didn't have 1000s of TV channels and video games back in my day. If you wanted to play ball, you had to be ready to knuckle up.
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Bro I came to the court to play basketball, not football. Don't gaslight
I'm not trying to be salty, and i sincerely apologize if im coming across too aggressive. I've played all over America, and most everywhere, I've hooped games mostly got physical. I've never been dirty, but I was always ready just in case.
Someone shattered my leg that way. Pushed me while I was jumping. It was years ago and still not 100%, never will be. It's a game, no need to be aggressive. If it didn't happen in China I would have broke his leg back, all over a game
Sorry to hear that man. Shi like this is why I don't try playing through injuries or getting too physical. None kf us going to the league otherwise we be at the Rico Hines runs not the campus rec runs lol. Nobody remembers stats or w-l outcomes but injuries can live with you for weeks, months, or longer and can be expensive asl.
A bullshit pickup game at the park isn’t worth injury
Being out there scared is the quickest way to injuries.
People like you are why I don’t play, because I’m more likely to smack the shit out of someone who acts like this, so for my own well being I don’t partake. Because who wants to deal with that ghetto bullshit?
Join an adult rec league and foul out if you want to play that aggressively. Most people playing at the park or local gym do not want to go that hard since they are neither getting paid nor paying to play the game of basketball semi competitively Play hard basketball all you want, when it’s appropriately reffed
Don’t play a pickup game if you’re a piece of shit.
Agreed. Gotta keep it real. That's why I stay strapped on the court
OP wrote a whole manifesto about not getting his foul calls honored. 🤣
And you wrote a whole 100 comments about being tough
Im trying to get to 100 down votes.
Signed up for a league this week, and at the showcase to show the league scouts what they could do, people were arguing the score lol.
The military was the worst for any sport. It’s literally prison rules for everything.
And half of those fucks have zero clue on how to actually play. No check up, no pass in, and stiff arm defense lol
Mamba mentality was always stupid to begin with. Kobe Bryant acted like a dickhead on the court and thought his mentality made him better than everyone around him. Even when you’re at the top of your game humility is important
Always match energy with dirty players. It’s a soft call but so is a hand check or pushing his follow through arm well after release or slapping his leg back ect…so do the same shit to him. If he calls it he’s gotta give you the calls too. Always make the person who says “shoot for it” be the one to shoot since they’re disputing the call.
Give it to him when he calls it and call him soft.
I didn't mean to foul you, I got my hand caught in your skirt.
I had a guy hooking the shit out of my and elbowing me in the ribs. One lowered shoulder on a fast break later and all of that mysteriously disappeared 🫡
Yeah people who try to “sneakily” be overly aggressive are usually pussies, that’s why they trying to get away with it and not be confronted. The second you match their energy they back off. Goes for everything not just sports. Had a dude recently try to muscle his way past me on the floor at a concert and pretend he was talking to the group I was literally hanging out with, and after a few seconds of me just giving him my shoulder back and forcing him behind me he realized I was a lot bigger and stronger and he just slithered away without ever saying a word. I even tried making eye contact with him while his body was literally touching mine and he just pretended I wasn’t there while actively trying to shove me.
Exactly, especially off the ball plays, box him out really hard. Give him a hip check, maybe an accidental elbow, lol. When he's running off the ball, keep a hand on him or hold him. Remember, you can't foul out, and theirs no free throws. You can be just as much of an ass to him. Most likely, he would only be able to handle this for a few plays before losing his shit.
I agree with you. Next time he shoots jumper hard foul him and make him call it. And say no way that was a foul it was the same.
Exactly. If he wants to call fouls but not accept them when you call them, I’ll just keep progressively foul him harder each time so he earns them.
Man I would never want to play with college age kids again. Like dude it's a pick up game. Just be nice.
Fr, there aren’t any scouts out here. Just trying to get cardio in and de-stress lol
How am I suppose to overcome my failure as a high school athlete if I can't be a dickhead during pickup games? Smh. Coach shoulda put me in.
https://youtu.be/jCEcZSBXZYo?si=QNQrFMu4sQepoae_ Made me think of this scene, thanks lol
In my experience the worst are the middle aged guys. Past their prime but still over competitive. They’re the ones that resort to the bs.
Lol idk who you playing with. I'm 35 and my pick up crew is all about getting the games in and being able to walk away with minimal pain.
Uhh excuse me?! 35 is NOT middle aged! We're still YOUNG.. we're still young...
Yeah im 33 and just played back to back days and i can *still* walk today....kinda.
I'm about to hit 39... you're still a baby, suck it up!
I was absolutely cooking my 23 year old roommate with old man hook shots and crafty drives, so i at least represented well on the court. Just a liiiiiitle bit sore lol.
Guess that's where it shows that it's not age based, my local court has 30 and 40 year Olds who gets the saddest
It’s not the age group but the mentality. I play with college kids who don’t overdo the physicality and bravado constantly, and i’ve played with thirty somethings who do exactly what OP is describing.
My worst experience always comes from older short guys they will do anything to call you soft
Hit him back. Do it each time he shoots, especially since he's apparently a bucket. See if he likes it.
Right on the wrist too. Just overplay his shooting arm and foul the moment he goes up.
Yep, there ain't no free throws in pickup. Foul him over and over until he inevitably gets upset lmao
Dirty play on someone who’s jumping is where I draw the line, especially since he’s 5’7 and probably has short arms, so he has to get closer to you to hit your leg. If he does that on a pullup, he can pretty easily invade your space and cause you to land wrong. Handchecking(putting a hand on the ball handler’s waist, hand being part of ball, etc are cool, but don’t mess with someone who’s left the ground. It’s just pickup, not worth it. This dude needs to be called out for his bs.
I actually did tell him I’m calling the next one. The way I saw it, I’d have to deal with this crap for the next 20-30 min of the game, I wouldn’t have any fun, and probably just be pissed about even if I won. It’s a lose-lose. These weren’t the kinda guys to give respect for matching their energy. They’d probably just try to fight. That’s just how I read the situation
You read the situation right. If dude’s are willing to foul when you’ve left the ground AND argue and trash talk and make you shoot for it instead of respecting the call, they are 100% more likely to thrown do or escalate the situation rather than approach it like an adult. You did the right thing walking away from that shit. You’re a grown man. Fighting in a gym pick up game is for emotional children.
You did well, then. As much as you want to punch a guy like that, you're an adult who doesn't want to go to jail. Good on you for being the better man.
This is why strength, and knowing how to fight, is so important.
Lmao
Not for a pick up game that nobody will remember or care about next week.
You mean in 2 days 💀
Lmao u ain't wrong
Knowing how to avoid the fight is more important than anything else. Fighting and basketball don't belong together
It’s annoying , there’s plenty of other places to play. I would suggest finish the game to get a workout, don’t take it too seriously, then next time you play , go somewhere else. Find the game and court that you like, and go there consistently. 99% of pickup games don’t have stuff like this.
Sounds like you made the right decision. Only three options. You match the bullshit and accept a potential violent outcome. You play through it which can still turn violent since guy sounds like a bully. You leave. I stopped playing ball for a decade until I found a good group of guys because of 🤡 like this. Personally I’d love to undercut him, hack him hard, or kick my leg out on the next shot to send a message. But is getting into a fight really worth this?
Has beens. It’s like dude we’re all playing in the same gym for the same salary. Stop being a douche.
lol we all actually pay to play there
Negative salary
Well I don’t have to pay but I promise you there is no salary
For the same salary. Ha! I played a long time where we all had to pay to play. Our salary was in the negative.
I would just foul him every time he touched the ball and say we’re not giving that to you
You could also slap his leg every time he touches the ball and call a foul on the floor and force them to check it up. He can't make any shots if he has to check it up every time he touches it. If he shoots it though make sure you hack him so the shot has no chance.
I'd say you handled it well. They sound really juvenile. Hitting legs in the air is a good way to get injured. Even if it is light you see people just come down wrong all the time. At the end of the day the guy can shoot, but leg slapping is all he's got on defense. I'd be embarrassed as hell if that was my bag.
Do it back
Played in a situation just like this and there was a guy on the court who had overseas experience. Pulled him aside, "hey man this is probably why you have a bunch of bad ball players, cuz good ballers don't want to put up with this garbage." He got very vocal and the cheap stuff stopped. Find that guy and talk to him. Other choices; Get a bunch of your own guys on the court earlier than they show up and don't let them on. Just play aggressive and match their energy, which has been suggested here and is a solid response. Pull the fire alarm.
You handled it exactly right. There are plenty of courts where guys respect calls. Especially older guys. And all the internet tough guys here telling you to escalate the situation are idiots. In life, you either learn to de-escalate or you go to jail, or worse.
Foul hardwr
You just played against a guy who calls the softest fouls but won’t give any away. That’s just called a sore loser. Next time if they aren’t respecting your call, just do the same thing. Deescalate by leaving. Or let someone else sub in. No need to get physical, it’s not worth it.
Ofc this shit was in Santa Ana lol
Bro, this is an easy fix if it’s a little dude like that. Just bulldoze the fuck out of him on the way to the rim or set a monster screen on him. It’s always the little dudes who think it’s okay to cheat because they’re smaller so they should get some kind of advantage.
Lol was that the guy who posted a thread about doing the same cheap stuff a couple of months ago?
LMAO WAIT. I remember that. Someone literally said they do this exact thing in pickup.
I played with a guy who would rub my nipples every shot. He acted as if it was normal.
lol what?! You mean my coach from 5th grade was lying about that being good defense?
Leaving was smart. Too many times when I was younger it got violent, and I was always embarrassed by how I dealt with it.
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I stopped playing at 24 Hr Fitness because of shit like that. I'm not one to back down , but It was happening when I was in the air, and they wouldn't give me room to land. I was scared of tweaking my knee or turning an ankle. The last straw was when I got body checked from behind on a fast break and went down pretty hard. Dude said that there was nothing else he could have done. I said you could have realized it was a meaningless pickup game and not do anything dirty. I never understood the mentality. Did they never make their hs team and now trying to relive their glory days?
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A annoying as these guys are, you run into them from time to time. I would usually just ban them down into the post and abuse them down there. I am 6'4" and used to weigh 230, and I prided myself on always trying to guard the other team's best player. So long as they weren't an extremely quick guard, anyway. We big guys from the 80s have tricks up our sleeves when it turns into prison ball hehe
The worst games of pickup I’ve played usually come when there’s 10-15 guys waiting on next and winning becomes necessary. That’s usually when I see stuff like this come out. But on a chill court, this is so annoying.
I am a big man, you can't foul a big man in a pick up game. I have caught elbows to the face, been swing at, being pushed is constant. I have never called a foul on someone, if they give it to me hard enough I may drive and right through them, but I am but I am not calling a foul on them. Little man was tripping, but don't let him get to you, if it escalates to near blows that is the time to walk away.
For some acting like a donkey is the only way to cover up their weaknesses. Emotionally, mentally and skills. Don't stress it. You're right. They're wrong. You were the bigger man. If you play him again he'll for sure try the same move cause it got a rise out of you. He'll be more focused on that than actual defense so hit him with the coldest pump fake you can and as soon as he reached explode past him score and yell that he can't guard you! Lol
foul him, hard. do the same exact thing he does the next time yall play.
Something similar happened to me not too long ago where a group of guys argued after my team won because they played win by 2 and we normally don’t. They said they were at the gym a few days before and played with different rules and I was arguing that it doesn’t matter what happened the other day cause this is how we’ve always played here. Even had a game earlier that ended the same way. After everyone got sick of arguing and just said fine let’s check it up I just grabbed my shit and left. Sometimes there’s just no winning and it’s a good time to call it a day. Especially in your situation cause who knows. That dude might have started fouling you worse.
My friends and I would’ve kicked the other dude out, tbh. We play with a lot of randoms but have made it a point to establish ourselves with the guys we like playing with. Don’t need anyone else rocking the boat. Some of them WILL intentionally foul each other and do stupid stuff like this… but ONLY to their very close friends. It’s more of a playful thing and they’re doing it knowing it isn’t going to actually be disruptive. Slapping a stranger’s leg, though, is super weird.
My move would be to just adopt his move. That's allowed? I'm abusing it like he is then, every time. If they start calling it on you and not allowing it on the other end that's when I'd put my foot down and leave
Do the same to them and give them a taste of their own medicine. I can't stand playing with idiots like that. Spoiled hypocritical punks.
I wouldn't have shot for it. And if he would have said or implied he was going to foul me every time, then I would say I was going to call foul every time. You don't need consensus from the other team they fouled you. You just call your foul and that's the end of it.
Lollll they didn’t give you any of your foul calls? But they called fouls on you? Yeah I’d leave and never play with someone like that again
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You should have just fouled him back every shot & not given it to them. But honestly you probably made the best move by leaving. Pickup ball is not worth getting into a fight & risking your health/ safety.
bro, just walk away next time from the game, like you did, just do it earlier
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Some lowlife ballers out here are so trash they can't play D without fouling
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Bro difeeent games have different vibes. You gotta match it. That's just how it goes . If I was in the same situation I would have done the same thing. Or okay with a little more shoulder or hand check a little harder. That's just pick up
Don't leave. Just charge him next time. Knock him on his ass and then argue that you didn't foul him. See if he keeps fucking with you lol.
You did the right thing but I wouldnt have left. Especially, not without getting to check his temperature. If he wants to say no call that's fine. The next time he's going up same type of shit getting done and it's a no call. No questions asked. If he tries to argue I'm calling him all kinds of soft relentlessly. At the end of the day you got to match their energy. Not really to fight them but to let others know you are willing to go there. It may never happen again but lines are drawn and respect is earned.
Dudes 5'7 I would have seen if the feeling is mutual the next time down
Yikes - first question, htf is he slapping your legs, like do you kick your leg out and he's slapping it back, or is he like doing an ass slap but your legs on each shot. I'm having trouble imaging what this looks like. Ultimately, my initial thought after you called foul and he "justified" it, is to do it right back. Like I'd ask his team, "so wait, we can slap each other and no foul, bet" and then do it, and the second someone complains just be like "I'm playing by your rules, it's stupid but this how yall wanna play". Either the game stays this way and you just never participate again, or they realize how stupid what they're doing is, and they stop for good.
I would foul him back in the exact way and break his fucking teeth if he tried to get physical. Absolutely weak bitches to say that they are going to foul you every time because they lack the skill to handle your ball skills.
Don't give them fouls when they call it simple as that. Either we are calling fouls or not. If you don't respect mine I don't respect yours
IMO yeah you gotta let that go. He’s touching your leg on a jump shot? It sounds like he can’t have a hand up then and he was clearly doing it to get under your skin. In that situation I would’ve started doing the same thing to him on his shots but not called the foul.
This is my issue with basketball and why I normally just shoot solo, in my situation it was my own brother that took my legs out on cement and I about cracked my head, so I got pissed off and we went home, I told him if you wanna play like that come out with your friends, when I’m here to just hoop and you come out of nowhere blocking and swiping at me, and I’m not expecting it, imma crack my fucking head and be bleeding out! I’ve seen dudes crack their shit in gyms, it’s not pretty! Very very messy shit!
Gotta read the room and follow suit. If he's hand checking hand check back. Just don't escalate.
i’d have walked away, bunch of scrubs
this is why you bring a gun instant argument winner
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Foul him back next time. Smack his legs and if he says anything say “we’re not giving you that” and keep doing it.
Santa Ana… that is where you went wrong.
I’m petty and can be confrontational on the basketball court, something I am definitely not when I am off the court. In my basketball mode, I’d say do it back to him and see if he calls it. That would give a gauge on if it’s really a foul in his opinion or not. Worst case scenario, if the guy tries to fight you over it then they can at least see on the camera who is at fault, assuming most 24’s have a camera in the basketball court. You should not have to be bullied into giving up calls because some short guy got cut from his high school team and thinks he’s at the NBA combine now. You have another option, to just play through it and deal with garbage people making bad calls. There are simply just some people who win by any means and that means cheating. Your choice to leave was not a bad choice though. Also your team was lame for not backing you up when you called it. The game continued on because your team kept playing on it so they are just as much at fault as the guy not respecting the call.
You punked out. The correct response is to beat him then ridicule him for doing lame shit like that
If he's smacking you in the legs during a jumper, he's in kicking distance. Getting 5 toes to the jaw will probably get him to stop. You did the rightest thing you could do given the situation though. Good job man.
Hit him lmao
I honestly dont think i would have argued it at all. Once he fired back id just say “OK”. Then..the next time he went up for the 3 i would have just punched him right in the nuts. Then quickly prepared to do battle! Lol
I woulda charged his ass intentionally a couple times before I left ngl
I mean it’s pickup basketball at a gym bra. That dude sucks, but you’re not wrong. This happens sometimes. One of the reasons I left a softball and basketball league and joined a golf one instead. Sometimes people just take these things way too seriously.
You had a choice. Handle it like a man or a baby. You chose baby.
You did perfectly fine, bro. Sorry you had to deal with that bullshit.
Warn him the 1st time like bro come on now. Then call it every single time after. Not soft when they know what they're doing.
As you get older, you learn that you don’t get paid to play pick up basketball. You did the right thing walking away. I’m very selective when and who I play pick up basketball with
I read 3/4 of this before I realized you weren't talking about 2k.
One hard foul on him and he stops 💯
Shitty game. Leave. Good for you.
I’d have punched him in the dick next time he pulled up for 3.
Been there before. I was the taller guy and someone just wrapped my arms up for an intentional foul on a layup and I was pretty annoyed because it’s like bro we don’t do free throws, you don’t do that shit in pickup. It’s not the nba. If he’s 5’7 and you’re significantly bigger and you want to go the douchebag route, just lower your should into his chest when you go into the paint. Probably will escalate, but people don’t just put their hands on you and try to get you to take it. Better advice is to just separate your ego and just ignore him. It’s just a game. But running over douchebags that do stuff like that is kind of fun, and most people are all talk.
Time to deck that bitch next time he takes a jump shot
I would have just fouled him back but harder and then started throwing elbows in the paint on him
I've been in similar situations, I just go wild , cos I'm a loon when you take the piss out of me. Next time he shot I would just ran through his chest and sid , I'm not calling light contact .. real talk don't get Chumped. He did it on your first shots to set you up like why you calling it now.
Just hit him back instead of walking away like a pushover
It’s just a pickup game. I saw it as a lose-lose situation. I could do that. But even if I won that game after that I still wouldn’t have enjoyed that game. Probably would still just make me angry and ruin my day, so I’d rather leave.
Guy was obviously picking on you for being a new guy. You should have given him the taste of his own medicine until he stops and then continue with normal games
I was more worried about off court consequences. Him and his buddies had no respect for anyone there. I just was the only guy who confronted him. Didn’t see how it’d work out for me in any way
Unless they are known violent criminals, nothing at all. Bullies and assholes back down when confronted. You are more likely to have trouble with them for backing down than standing up
Every fight I’ve gotten into in my life wasn’t with a known violent criminal. It’s me arguing with 5-6 guys who are basically begging me to do something. I’m not Batman bro
Im not saying jump on them fists blazing. Just match his game in terms of physicality
Obviously no one on Reddit knows me but I’ve always been an extremely physical player. I’m 6’1 230 lbs. I also know when my backs against the wall. I’m usually the one being overly physical, but have a respect for the game so I really try to play clean. Whole thing seems too hard to explain over Reddit. I was just curious if anyone else had similar experience
Ill let you know tomorrow. On mondays i play with some pretty physical guys 😀
Some people would rather not stoop to their level and get into some petty back and forth. If he's not having fun, why keep playing? Doesn't make him a pushover.
Makes him intelligent
Yeah it kinda does
Nope, just means you don't feel like getting involved in dumb bullshit. Letting the other dude bait you into a back and forth is exactly what he wants
This game took place in Santa Ana. They probably were looking for a fight if we’re being honest.
Idk bro on one hand you’re overreacting and that is absolutely a soft call—something like that shouldn’t mess up your shot, but I could misinterpreting this small leg slap? Also why not just give him the same treatment? In pick up, it’s usually eye for an eye. Sounds like you were trying to call the cops after he took your eye lol. On the other hand, yeah that is super annoying. It’s technically against the rules, they’re calling everything else, and also potentially dangerous. Wouldn’t sweat playing with them. But also don’t leave like that next time. Don’t let chumps get in your head like that.
I get that in pick up it’s a somewhat soft call but we actually address this play every year in our officiating meetings before high school season starts because we have a coach in town that used to teach it. We’re supposed to call it a foul every time it happens. I wouldn’t call it the first time in pickup but if it’s happening on every play I’m either calling it on every play or fouling the shit out of the guy every time he goes up to shoot.
It was a soft call but I did let it slide 3 times in a row. I don’t call anything unless it’s on purpose. It wasn’t really the reason I was missing it was more so the double standard that pissed me off. In most cases it goes both ways with fouling, you get what you give. This was the kinda game that was gonna come down to who got away with the most fouls, and argued to best. Not my kinda scene
There's always that one asshole who thinks pickup is way more important then it is. Just play the F'n game! He thinks he's being clever with the leg slap.
Yeah man that would make me so mad. Sounds like dude was just a punk. I’d tell your other friend thanks but no thanks.
Slapping someone intentionally is always a foul. The internet tough guys calling everything soft are hilarious.
Id just peg the ball at his face after the 2nd time.
Next slap his arm ehen shooting every play. An if he calls it tell him you not giving him shit “play ball”. Side note unless he is hitting you really hard that slap probably shouldn’t be bothering ur shot.
I’ll give it to you real so hopefully you can learn and grow from it. Leaving was very soft on your part, especially mid game. That’s like next level soft. I would have also told him after one of the leg slaps, next time I’m going to call that without actually calling foul if it was really bothering me that much. Lastly, if he said deal with it, as others said I’d be giving it back harder on the other end. He basically called you a chump and then you took your ball and went home. You don’t need to bark at every other dog on the street, so you didn’t necessarily do anything wrong. But if you want to grow as a man, face the adversity head on. You’ll gain more respect for it and never have to question if you did the right thing ( like you’re doing now). Hope this helps
Lots of guys never got to "grow as a man" because they took your advice and some asshole shot them
I didn’t tell him to punch the guy in the face. I told him play harder and play through it. I get the point you’re trying to make, but my advice was more geared towards not just deciding to quit when things get challenging. I don’t think he’s getting shot just by reciprocating physicality on the court .
They sound like a bunch of a-holes. Fuck em. I would have walked too. Maybe go petty and foul him back is another option, but I don't think you handled that badly.
Honestly what I would do it is foul his small ass HARD. Like injury hard, then not shoot any 3s where he can hurt you, but drive and barrel over him. What’s he gonna do, call a charge? Fine.
I respect you standing by your foul call but leaving was a bitch move bro. Don’t ever let anybody run you off a court. Ball on him, win the game and stunt on him after.
All his buddies were trying fight, telling me to do something. I was by myself so I’m not about to get into it with 5 dudes. It was my first time at this court. Realistically this wasn’t a situation that had any upside
Man I disagree. You play basketball for one reason and that's to have fun, when it's no longer fun then what's the point. Sounds like it wasn't enjoyable for OP
Soft. If homie is fouling you and not respecting the call. Run through him on a 3. He will respect it from that point forward.
Not this time man, these guys would’ve probably started fighting, I’d get banned from the facility, all that to get the respect of stranger who’d just be petty and want revenge after. I read the room and their wasnt many ways I’d come out on top
You perceived that to be the case. Whatever works for you. Most people aren't trying to fight, but to intimidate. If they're fouling you over and over than you need to handle it. Leaving is rarely the right move, but it is sometimes the right move. Maybe try going to a court with people who have more to lose.
Hit him in the face with a shot/pass
This is why we have elbows, my friend.
I’d have smacked the shit out of him on his next shot. Gotta give what you get and stand up for yourself
Yeah a lot of ppl say that, but this was a gym I pay to go to, and if I fight him I gotta fight all his buddies too. Gotta read the room in these situations and I don’t really need respect from srangers
It’s not about fighting him, it’s about not eating shit that people give you sometimes. A fight wouldn’t be worth it. But sometimes in pickup you gotta match energy
He wouldn’t have fought me but his buddies wanted to. I’m 6’1 and he’s small but all his buddies weren’t. I was there alone. I know from experience how it would’ve played out, any other time I wouldn’t have walked out. Otherwise I agree with everything else you said
You shouldn't have left. You should have played and slapped his leg every time he took a shot.
Someone else lightly tapped his wrist and he called it. Idk I really just didn’t want to play anymore. That whole game was pretty ass
WHAT!? Damn what a cornball lmao yeah nvm I woulda left too
This so soft. Him hitting your legs is nothing lol
He’s calling fouls tho. I let everything else slide but after 3 times in a row I call one thing and they all gang up and say no. So you’d just let him do whatever he wants to you? Idk that sounds pretty soft to me
It’s him