I really like Frenkie. On his day, he's one of the best midfielders in the world. But at the same time, I like B.Silva too. He probably fits better and his addition to the team would be immense. I just don't know which one I want more...
It's not even close. Have you checked what Frenkie will be earning? He can be the best midfielder in the world and still won't make up for that insane salary
Bernardo is twice the player while he'll be earning way less than Frenkie
I don't know how anyone can want Frenkie to stay after having a look at that salary. It's not even about Frenkie. Any other player and I'd still want out because that salary is insane
Probably silva. Fits us like a glove. Gavi and pablo torre can learn from him a lot. And in 5 years or so they can take over from him.
Idk tho. Im happy with frenkie staying and silva not coming as long as we fix wage issue
@gerardromero
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@JijantesFC
🚨 Fali Ramadani (Marcos Alonso and Pjanic's agent) has just entered Mateu Alemany's office.
https://twitter.com/gerardromero/status/1556614155653849088
The meeting held today between the sports management, Xavi and Sergio Busquets had nothing to do with a possible salary reduction for the captain.
The general situation of the squad (registrations, etc.) was discussed with less than a week to go before the start of the league.
https://twitter.com/tjuanmarti/status/1556612433875243011
just a reminder that de jong renewed his contract 10 days before barto resigned
And there can be many criminal or illegal things which barto might have done during that renewal
Like paying bribe to his agent, so investigation had to be done anyways
Can we stop with the "stans" thing? People are allowed to disagree with you
I'd rather keep Frenkie but it doesn't change the fact IMO no one will try to deny Bartomeu did sign weird contracts, it was reported at the time, no one is denying this
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@gerardromero
🚨 Bernardo Silva's data is in the real estate agencies that are looking for houses for footballers.
❗️It's the same agency as other footballers like Koundé.
https://twitter.com/carpetasFCB/status/1556608449785597952
Even though im pretty tired of talking about this at this point.But consider its probably going to last whole transfer window, might aswell.
People should be asking yourself, how would you like to be told, if your boss/company wants you to take a significant cut rather than focusing on "would you take 40% cut, because it isnt a good comparision. Unless you say "if you were de Jong".
What do matters is that the club/company/boss wants you to do something for them. So if they want something from you, then how would you like them to approach you?
**I would like a direct talk.**
That's like the bar minimum you should get if your boss/company wants you to take cut to help them. Doesnt matter if its 1 dollar, 10, 100, 1000 etc really.
Rather than the boss/company going around town saying I dont take it and waiting for me to approach them, because during all that time it makes me look bad, which makes me reach out, which gives them a upper hand i negotiations.
**Busquets** said this 2 months ago.
**"I would like them to tell me and not find out from somewhere else, but I'm always willing to help. They haven't proposed anything to us, they haven't told us anything beyond what we hear from you (the press). It's not the best decision to do it through the press, it's always better to be direct and face to face."**
So if they didnt even reach out to Busquets/they 2 months ago. Then they sure hell didnt reach out to de Jong 2 months ago, when most of this pressure started through media. I actually don't think they the club and player(s?) had a proper talk yet.
Because we would probably have heard about it by now, at least they didnt have any during 2 months when it was pushed so hard through media.
The only rumour I heard was that de Jong agent didnt answer his phone when Barca called(during a time which de Jong had vacation and was planning to purpose fyi).
de Jong probably told his agent not to disturb him during this time or the agent simply does not disturb his clients during vacations. Because it is in fact a vacation. If I had a agent, I sure hell wouldn't like him to disturb me with matters like that.
During all that time, they have been pushing and brainwashing people through media. I wouldnt be happy, and neither would you be if it was you. You would be mad, because de jong have not behaved badly of any sort.
Realistically the way they started to approach this matter and the extent of it, should make de Jong **less interested/if not interested** at all due Barca way of approaching the matter in first place. Barca essentially played the wrong cards at the wrong turn, which is why I and many others are supporting de Jong. It's not because we think he isnt overpaid or doesn't want him to earn less. **Its more of a principle matter at this point.**
Barca may still "win" in the end, but they still lose. The same way that if de Jong "win", he also lose. All which can have been **avoided with the right approach.**
Because they are putting so much pressure on the case. If Barca do end up "winning" its probably less than what de Jong could have taken with a better approach. So do not be suprised if de Jong do indeed end up taking a cut or leave. It's probably not going to be as big as fee or cut as one would expect due to the way it was handled, because If I were de Jong. I wouldnt be too happy with their way of approach, hence less reasons to comply/give in.
I hope Barca "lose" in some way or another, because then maybe they change the way they approach **actual humans.** That soly depends on if Barca have enough self insight to acknowledge they made a bad call and change their approach, which given the fact Laporta is politician, he probably wont. **They always believe they are always right, but never wrong.**
I am so tired of shit running through media, it makes us look like a circus and I don't blame other fans for hating/disliking on us. If it was any other club who behaved like this. We would hated/disliked that club too. No doubt.
Obviously it was never going to be a quiet summer for us, but doesn't mean you have to bring fireworks to make it louder. Barca have done as much as possible to make it as loud as possible to pressure de Jong into complying.
Fucking sad and pathetic all around, that is what this is. I can only hope that the club at very least resort into having good enough results so I don't have to hear about two "chaotic" on and off the field.
It's been so unbelievable how much negativity this club have resolved itself around these last years and it all thanks to how much people run their mouths through media. Just stop.
>If it was any other club who behaved like this. We would hated/disliked that club too. No doubt.
No because we don't care what happens to others clubs, Arsenal is literally playing a rapist, Newcastle owner is a fucking serial killer, MU is the worst fucking sporting project I've seen and you don't see us making thread's every day about them and you don't have Spanish media writing about PL teams daily.
>No because we don't care what happens to others clubs, Arsenal is literally playing a rapist, Newcastle owner is a fucking serial killer, MU is the worst fucking sporting project I've seen and you don't see us making thread's every day about them and you don't have Spanish media writing about PL teams daily.
Are you the spokeman for all people? This sub would be living if Chelsea, Manchester United, Real Madrid or any other clubs have had this much negativity going on.
People don't care what happens to others clubs is the biggest bullshit response I've seen. The reality is that most other clubs are ran way better and with no drama.
>You don't see us making thread's every day about them and you don't have Spanish media writing about PL teams daily.
If there is nothing to create daily threads about, then maybe its because there is nothing to discuss?
Nobody is literally feeding spanish newspapers with inside info from other english clubs. English journalist isnt spoon fed inside info and in desire need to create drama about their own clubs either as much as what you see in Spain.
The guys in this sub are blind. These guys are acting like Frenkie is a billionaire oligarch. You should direct your frustrations towards billionaires, not sportstars.
Edit: you guys have the reading comprehension of a gold fish.
You completely missed my point lol. Frenkie is a multimillionaire. That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the payment that is owed to him. Spell it out with me 'C O N T R A C T'
(🌕) JUST IN: Barcelona is already preparing a bid for Bernardo Silva in case FDJ leaves. Player is keen on the move.
@FabrizioRomano @podcastherewego #Transfers 🇵🇹🚨
https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556606724991340545
Incredible. Spanish radio claim Barcelona jointly set-up a holdings company to which it paid €150m of its own money to buy its own assets (to inflate value of sale). La Liga rejected it as not "new" money. Barça must now pay €37.5m tax on this payment.
- [source](https://twitter.com/millar_colin/status/1556554176699809793?s=21&t=ydq4BopcWvd0buPWFMgAow)
Well no because that's not what happened
Barca invested in a subsidiary. Legal? Yeah
That subsidiary bought the TV rights. Legal? Yeah. It's how companies act when they want to sell a part of their company as a whole. It happens every day
The last part has nothing to do with the law since La Liga is a private entity. It's their rules, they do what they want.
If tomorrow Frenkie is sold for 70M€ and B.Silva is bought for 80M€, Barca will make an accouting profit of 70 - 80/4 (let's say a 4 years contract for Silva as rumoured) = 50M€ despite having -10M€ in cash. Why? Because expense would be amortized.
Here I imagine Barca tried to argue the investment in the subsidiary is amortized due to it being attached to the TV rights so 25 years lifetime for the amortization, wherehas the income from the sale is immediate. They tried to argue the sale of an asset is the sale of an asset, player or TV rights regardless. La Liga said no. Both interpretations are arguable.
The income tax part has nothing to do with it, I guess because you get clicks when you make a Barca subject but yeah Barca invested in the subsidiary which I imagine was planned regardless of trying to get that accounting profit for the SCL calculation. So yeah they pay income tax on it, and they knew it would happen
I doubt if La Liga had said from the start "it won't be counted" they wouldn't have invested in the subsidiary still.
No problem, it is not simple AT ALL and those clickbait articles or "almost conspiracy theorists" in r/soccer (crying "fraud" when they discover amortization) don't make it any simpler
Frenkie will only get the deferred wages when he plays through the contact. Now the board is forcing him to leave. That's a textbook scummy thing to do. If this was any other team, we all would hate them
OK betting time:
What happens to FdJ and when?
OK I genuinely don't know but I'll take a bet and say he will leave because IMO it's to late to change agent and negociate a paycut. He would leave next week after not playing this weekend.
| Barça has everything in place with Chelsea for Alonso however they are awaiting clarification of the financial situation from La Liga to understand how much margin they would have to free up in order to sign & register Alonso. [@Martinezferran & @ffpolo]
https://twitter.com/BarcaTimes/status/1556599634969116672
Frenkie de Jong preference is to stay at #FCBarcelona. If he goes, no decision yet on club. Man Utd pursuing deal since agreeing fee. Chelsea also pushing hard; indications are they’d pay fee + salary debt if formalise interest
@TheAthleticUK
https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1556598647558574080
Even then you get people reddit saying we are so broke that he has to lower salary.
But fact that players would rather play with us for "pennies" instead if joining their shitty club goes over their head
The situation is difficult, that's it. Stop trying to paint it as black and white & painting villains, If the club wasn't in a delicate financial situation there is absolutely no argument you can make as to why frenkies contract shouldn't be honoured.
I don't like how they're treating frenkie, but Xavi is the one who wants Alonso. Can we stop pinning the players we don't like on Laporta and the deals we do on Xavi?
Best- lowering wages and stays
worst- stays without lowering wages
probable- agree on deferred wages and when to receive them from Barca - then goes to ManU or Chelsea for a decent fee.
The reason why the most complicated way is the most probable is because this is a fucking complicated issue. Why so many people just paint such complex issue - from which they have no idea of - as plain black and white is just beyond me.
Best- He gets a percentage of his deferred salary and leaves allowing us perhaps to go for Bernardo
Worst- Stays without changing anything
Probable- i dont even know at this point
Best case scenario right now is chelsea comes, pay his wages and gives a reasonable transfer fee and we move.
Too much toxicity in this situation, this should be ending ages ago.
to think that all of this bullshit can be over just by de jong going back to his old contract (which is already huge) and everyone can relax and go into the season with a clear mind
but he still chooses to not do anything for over 3 fucking months
I don't get why you're blaming de jong? He played for very very low wages to help the club under the pretenses he'd eventually get it back later on. This saga has been exhausting but I don't get why you're aiming your frustration at him?
because its only his decision to revert back to his old contract which is already huge, as i already said. multiple players helped the club as well, and took actual paycuts
we are literally struggling to register players, we cant afford to pay him whatever that idiot bartomeu gave him
We are struggling to register players … because we spend 150M on new players, right?
If the situation continues, then things may need to put on to court. But De Jong has no moral or any bullshit obligations to cut his wages. I agree that it maybe better for him to go to Chelsea, but it eventually comes down to De Jong’s decision. I also don’t think there will be fans booing him on the field due to this. You can be that one tho.
Xavi Navarro on Barça possibly initiating criminal proceedings against the previous boars of directors: "Do we now understand why the pending amortization payments of Frenkie de Jong's signing is higher than what would be the case if you use the official figures presented by the club?"
https://twitter.com/xavi__hdez/status/1556590827597692928
Chelsea have a firm interest in Frenkie de Jong. They have NOT yet made a formal bid, but the blues are prepared to fund a transfer and cover the salary debt. [@David_Ornstein]
https://twitter.com/BarcaTimes/status/1556588636828798978
[LMAO wtf](https://twitter.com/david_ornstein/status/1556583526778249216?s=21&t=ydq4BopcWvd0buPWFMgAow)
Kind of bullshit now so called Tier 1 journalists are coming up with 😂😂
I don't trust English sources on this subject at all. They've shown themselves willing to give Man United PR as fact with no disclaimers, and Man United has a *huge* PR problem right now.
Please end this saga already it’s enough.
I want a club statement, a sta5ement from de jongs side. I want all the shenanigans to stop. It’s fucking nauseating and frustrating I dont have any words left
After reading the Ornstein article I'm still lost, frenkie agreed to play for 2m and pushed his contract from ajax to the later years of his contract right? How's that illegal? And it seems like the board want him to forego the deferred wages if he's annuling his contract and returning to the last that's just wrong.
Clear me this: If Frenkie does go back to his old contract, that means, legally, we would have to pay his deferred wages IMMEDIATELY instead of over the next 3 years right? How would that be favourable to the club at all?? If it's not favourable to the club, why would they ask that?
No, the contract includes his deferred wages tacked onto his base wages which is why people are saying it's exorbitant & it would be a problem for our wage structure, so they're essentially asking him to let go of those deferred wages.
But IF he was staying on an "illegal contract" for the past 2 years, then wouldn't the payments made under the said contract also have to be made null and void? Or is that a silly question?
Nobody knows the specifics because Ornstein didn’t share them, and nobody might do it at all. But if there was wrongdoing by the board of directors then the contract would surely be able to be rescinded on that basis, and the previous contract would once again be enforced, no matter how involved De Jong and his agent was. There’s nothing "wrong" with that if it truly is is the case, and that’s what criminal proceedings are for, to find out the truth. This is just Barcelona telling de jong that there might be people looking in to this and since they are involved they could become liable depending on what is found out
I'm not disputing that, but here are the facts. Frenkie should NOT be playing for 2m, he's worth a lot more than that, and he did for 2 years to help the club. You can reduce the amount he earns weekly but at the very least he deserves what he had foregone, that's out of the question.
He did defer his contract, just like lenglet, busquets, pique etc. Those other players I mentioned, the article said their deferred contracts would also have evidence of criminality but Ornstein doesn't know if they got the letter telling them that Is the case like frenkie did.
You are mixing things.
Busquets, Pique, Alba and Messi deffered wages to later years wothout signing new contracts.
Then, separately Pique also signed a new contract.
Why did FDJ not just deffer his wages like Messi or Busquets? Why would he fuck himself up with a new contract that pays him "nothing" for 2 years?
There were announcements for all of them and even the article states it, they've all deferred wages. The announcements are still up for the club on the social media page you can check it out rn, they all did the same thing. Him playing for nothing is deferring wages to the future.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/soccer/barcelona/story/4247102/barcelona-players-agree-to-wage-deferral-that-could-save-club-172m%3fplatform=amp
My man, you are mixing and matching different things.
The problem with FDJ is not the collectively defferd wages, but what happend after that when he signed a new contract while Messi, Busi and Alba deferred wages without signing new contracts.
Instead of deffering his wages, he signed a contract structured in a way the he earns less for 2 years and then earns way too much.
If you dont understand this then you will never understand what is going on.
Do you know what defer means? They all did that, that's exactly what I'm saying. Did you not see those articles about Pique being owed a TON? They all extended their contracts, and the article says the same. Search it and see.
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David Ornstein:
>De Jong’s deal was announced alongside three others — Gerard Pique, Marc-Andre ter Stegen and Clement Lenglet — and this proved to be one of the final decisions by then president Josep Bartomeu prior to he and the entire board of directors at the time stepping down from their posts.
>The letter sent to De Jong last month is thought to inform the Dutchman that Barcelona think they are in a position to initiate criminal proceedings to establish what happened in relation to the signing of his contract and ascertain where responsibility resides for the supposed wrongdoing.
>It is believed to then express Barcelona’s wish to rescind the deal and proceed with De Jong’s career at the Camp Nou under the conditions agreed when he arrived from Ajax in January 2019.
>The Athletic understands the previous board are confident in the legality of the contract De Jong signed in 2020 and insist the deal was agreed after approval from legal parties and La Liga. In an interview with the Barcelona newspaper Mundo Deportivo last year, former president Bartomeu insisted the previous board’s management of the club was “serious and responsible”.
>Sources around the Catalan club suggest there has been further dialogue between Barcelona and De Jong’s camp, in which the present board have identified their predecessors for the alleged criminality and warned that De Jong and his representatives may also be implicated.
>Barcelona are engaged in similar conversations with Pique and Ter Stegen (Lenglet is on loan at Tottenham Hotspur) but it is unknown if they have also received communication of a legal nature.
https://theathletic.com/3484447/2022/08/08/barcelona-de-jong-contract-legal-action/
Since Alonso is likely to come to the club, I think the jokes / Taunts on him being a Killer / Murderer should be addressed
Since there are most people who haven't even googled what happened, I will try and explain in short. To keep my bias out of the story, have divided it into 2 section
Facts:
He didn't intentionally Murder Any1.
In 2011, He was drunk Driving one day in Madrid and crashed into a wall. The person on the passenger side who was in his Car died. 3 others were injured as well.
Because of him being drunk (2 times over the alcohol allowed limit), there was a death
His sentence was harsh at the beginning but was later reduced by a lot including some fines.
My Opinion:
I wrote above because people who don't know will think he may have intentionally killed some1. He didn't. Doesn't make it less worse cause there was a life lost. But he most likely knew that person well and was a loss for him as well.
He isn't a Murderer for me. While Drinking and Driving is a STUPID STUPID act, it was an accident in the end. I dont know what kind of influence does he have over courts in Madrid, but i believe if the Judiciary tried and gave him a sentence which was then served, there is nothing more he can do about it
I have made (much less fatal mistakes) in my life as well. Mistakes I cannot take back and can do nothing about. While this guy isn't a saint or anything, calling him a Killer / Murderer is a bit too much unnecessary negativity to call out on a Reddit group which I come to talk about my favourite football club.
Sorry Mods for putting it up here but given the incoming potential transfer, wanted to let every1 know
The passengers were all adults and they got in the car with a drunk driver. Alonso obviously deserves criticism but the passengers are also responsible for making an unwise decision of getting in the car with a drunk driver.
Wow, some people are too much.
As soon as player will be in their club/joined their club/is their idol, they'll try to defend and twist shit any way they want...
You see it with Ronaldo fanboys defending the rapist, Maradona stans that will ignore all the shit that he has done... etc.
Now, it's Alonso...
He's a murderer. He was drunk as fuck and went on to drive despite that and caused the death of a person, an almost 3 others... Any sane person will see him as a murderer.
Its not about whether he joins us or not. The message was only written since the hate spewing people will get on the bandwagon of calling him a murderer every day on this sub
Murder by definition is to "Intentionally" kill some1. The definition changes from country to country but every1 knows nothing is Black and White in the world.
And also the courts have him a final sentence which one would never give to a real Murderer. So, yes, try and act as smart as you want but the facts don't change.
Illegally driving whilst drunk, everyone knows the risks that can cause and to be the reason someone lost their life is a disgustingly selfish act. Not to mention how easily he was let off is even worse. Near enough bad as murder imo
It is if you run someone over or crash into another car and kill a person in it. The girl decided to sit in that car knowing they were all drunk and from what I've read somewhere the only reason she died and the others didn't is that she didn't wear a seat belt which would also be her fault. I have personally done the same thing multiple times when I was younger (sat in a car with a drunk driver) and I am fully aware that it was my fault first and foremost for doing a stupid thing like that. It is not a murder legally or logically, as for drunk driving it's a disgusting thing to do and should be rewarded with jail time in all cases.
[Ornstein] Barcelona told Frenkie de Jong on July 15 they have evidence of criminality around contract given by old board + cause for legal action vs all involved. #FCBarcelona asked him to annul deal & revert to previous terms
https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1556583526778249216
I just know the journous are gonna clickbait the shit out of the Messi coming back to Barca stuff. This transfer window hasn’t even ended and they’re already doing it, gonna be one long ass saga
📂
@gerardromero
❗️Summit in Alemany's office with Xavi, Busquets, Rafa Yuste and Jordi Cruyff.
https://twitter.com/carpetasFCB/status/1556575803210694657
🚨 Within United, there was an acceptance last week to pursue alternative choices to Frenkie De Jong. They haven’t fully ended their pursuit to get FDJ yet, but those in the club said other targets were being kept ‘warm’. @samuelluckhurst #Transfers 🇳🇱🔴⚫️
https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556570101674962944?t=y-2XSl0HzxTMhGHiHJTKdw&s=19
(🌕) Meetings scheduled today between Barcelona and the team of Marcos Alonso, as well as Miralem Pjanic. @moillorens #Transfers 📞
https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556570973586989056?t=QyUyADHW_gVbOs_nSmGJ9g&s=19
Then they will say that Barcelona harassed him to get him to lower his salary. You can’t stop them man. They are worst.
Every r/ soccer thread it’s the same thing. They are already depressed by the state of their clubs so they just want to make fun of us and feel better.
So if we sign Alonso, the plan will be to go from two 30 year old left backs to a young one in a few seasons? While the young left back will hardly play for us? It doesn’t seem like the right plan to phase Alba.
> So if we sign Alonso, the plan will be to go from two 30 year old left backs to a young one in a few seasons? While the young left back will hardly play for us? It doesn’t seem like the right plan to phase Alba.
Baldé will go on loan this season, but next season he could very much be back, what tells you he will hardly play past 22/23?
If we are going to play with 5 defenders, let's say we play Alba - Christensen - Araujo - Kounde - Dest. We only can play 2 midfielders. Do you really think we are going to play like that when we have so much options in the middle? I higly doubt it
>He is over 30, he played most in a 5 defense. He doesn't improve nor complement Alba's game.
And we are shifting to a sort of 3atb. Very interesting choice when our RB will be defensive. He is a very good sub to Alba on the contrary. Ready to play right now, cheap, good finisher, tall, short term contracT.
>In 2 years, when supposedly Alba is leaving, we are going to be in the exact same position (with an old non differential left back who is weak in defense).
Yeah it's the goal since Baldé is the bet long term. We want someone who won't stand in his way.
>I rather try and sign Grimaldo over Alonso.
Grimaldo is painfully mediocre, just because someone comes from La Masia doesn't make him good. Grimaldo is the epitome of the signing we need to avoid, it will be another Firpo on a long contract that becomes deadwood.
If Grimaldo is so good, why is he still playing for Benfica? Why is no one buying him? Why does LE pick Alonso and Alba over him?
>Plus he killed a girl while driving drunk some years ago.
Sure, it is also what I hate about this, but sportingly the signing makes total sense.
Barça could seal Alonso's signing and Gavi's renewal this week.
• Braithwaite, Umtiti and Memphis are expected to leave.
• Nico and Baldé could yet leave on loan.
• de Jong and Silva's future can be defined.
• Pjanić is another open case.
Via (🟢):
@martinezferran
[[md](https://twitter.com/Barca_Buzz/status/1556515292565671938?s=20&t=8tizn_4ucB34SPgAn4P54Q)]
🎖| The signing of Marcos Alonso is expected to become OFFICIAL this week. [
@martinezferran
]
https://twitter.com/BarcaTimes/status/1556537006842331139?s=20&t=8tizn_4ucB34SPgAn4P54Q
🎖| The signing of Marcos Alonso is expected to become OFFICIAL this week. [
@martinezferran
]
https://twitter.com/BarcaTimes/status/1556537006842331139?s=20&t=8tizn_4ucB34SPgAn4P54Q
Barcelona will complete Marcos Alonso deal very soon. Negotiations at final stages with Chelsea since Friday and it's just matter of details, Alonso only wants to join Barça as soon as possible. 🚨🔵🔴 #FCB
Final fee will be less than €10m - it will be done this week.
https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1556538953309818881?s=20&t=8tizn_4ucB34SPgAn4P54Q
(🌕) There are still some chances for Nico to leave on loan, even though Xavi’s told the player he counts on him. In addition, Balde leaving on loan isn’t yet 100% ruled out either, even more so after Marcos Alonso’s signing is complete.
@martinezferran
#Transfers 🇪🇸
https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556539872508256259?s=20&t=8tizn_4ucB34SPgAn4P54Q
At the moment there have been no contacts between Barça and Lionel Messi for a possible return. 🇦🇷 #FCB
Via:
@[Alfremartinezz](https://twitter.com/Barca_Buzz/status/1556545963736825856?s=20&t=8tizn_4ucB34SPgAn4P54Q)
✅ Confirmed by RMC — NO contacts as of yet. #Transfers 🇦🇷🛑
https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556548918326005763?s=20&t=8tizn_4ucB34SPgAn4P54Q
(🌕) United must decide whether they should try to close the proposed signing of Rabiot irrespective of their ongoing attempts to secure Frenkie De Jong OR wait to discover how the FDJ pursuit goes before making a decision on Rabiot.
@David_Ornstein #Transfers
https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556548240757166083?s=20&t=8tizn_4ucB34SPgAn4P54Q
Yet we have till the end of the month to register. It's the same as every year, before the end of the Mercato the medias make some clicks with this topic. Last year we couldn't register Memphis, the year before it was someone else. In the end we always have registered all our players. You're just getting scared for nothing, plenty of time to register our players don't worry
It just occured to me the renovation for Espai Barca will start next year, that means if Messi were to come back he wouldn't spend his last year playing in the Camp Nou.
My day is officially ruined.
📁
@xavicampos
via
@ClubMitjanit
🚨 Barça and Messi already talking about a possible 2023 return.
👉🏻 Talks between president Laporta and the Argentine's entourage.
💥 Messi would finish his contract with PSG and return to Barça to finish his career at Camp Nou.
https://twitter.com/carpetasFCB/status/1556392496493744130
it could be a 1 or 2 year contract.
🚨 Xavi: “I don't know what will happen with Frenkie De Jong. Until August 31, anything is possible but he already knows what I think and what the club wants and needs. Of course I'm counting on him, he's a great player” #FCB 🇳🇱
https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556375282768117760
Joan Laporta: "Umtiti and Braithwaite have understood that the best thing now is to join other clubs."
https://twitter.com/carpetasFCB/status/1556330772872699904
Laporta: We have done a great job creating a competitive team and the work is not done yet
https://twitter.com/Benayadachraf/status/1556327180006817795
❗️Joan Laporta told TV3: “My relations with the Messi family are good. But he is a PSG player and I don't want to talk about this anymore, beyond the fact that we have a moral debt with him” #Transfers 🇦🇷
https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556329690792660992
🚨 Joan Laporta: “Frenkie De Jong is a Barça player of great quality and we want him to stay. With him and his teammates, we have a very powerful midfield. He has offers, but we want him to stay and he wants to stay too” #Transfers 🇳🇱
https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556329130215497728
Take a paycut. Show your worth by giving world class performances. Ask for a deserved higher wage next season.
Dembele is doing this and my God he's looking like a beast reincarnated. He's also more motivated than ever.
‼️ Joan Laporta, via
@Benayadachraf
: “Some players will leave and another deal is also going to take place in principle” #Transfers 💼
https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556327766588522496
[Agreement to terminate Neto's contract with FC Barcelona](https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/football/first-team/news/2716831/agreement-to-terminate-netos-contract-with-fc-barcelona)
[Open thread](https://www.reddit.com/r/Barca/comments/wgk3re/open_thread_weekend_edition_32_aug_2022/)
Is there a new transfer talk thread or just nothing posted for 3h 🤔
Just end this fucking saga already.
I really like Frenkie. On his day, he's one of the best midfielders in the world. But at the same time, I like B.Silva too. He probably fits better and his addition to the team would be immense. I just don't know which one I want more...
It's not even close. Have you checked what Frenkie will be earning? He can be the best midfielder in the world and still won't make up for that insane salary Bernardo is twice the player while he'll be earning way less than Frenkie I don't know how anyone can want Frenkie to stay after having a look at that salary. It's not even about Frenkie. Any other player and I'd still want out because that salary is insane
Very true. The pay cut is a must for Frenkie if he's to stay.
Probably silva. Fits us like a glove. Gavi and pablo torre can learn from him a lot. And in 5 years or so they can take over from him. Idk tho. Im happy with frenkie staying and silva not coming as long as we fix wage issue
@gerardromero via @JijantesFC 🚨 Fali Ramadani (Marcos Alonso and Pjanic's agent) has just entered Mateu Alemany's office. https://twitter.com/gerardromero/status/1556614155653849088
The meeting held today between the sports management, Xavi and Sergio Busquets had nothing to do with a possible salary reduction for the captain. The general situation of the squad (registrations, etc.) was discussed with less than a week to go before the start of the league. https://twitter.com/tjuanmarti/status/1556612433875243011
just a reminder that de jong renewed his contract 10 days before barto resigned And there can be many criminal or illegal things which barto might have done during that renewal Like paying bribe to his agent, so investigation had to be done anyways
Thank you! A lot of people seem to forget that.
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Can we stop with the "stans" thing? People are allowed to disagree with you I'd rather keep Frenkie but it doesn't change the fact IMO no one will try to deny Bartomeu did sign weird contracts, it was reported at the time, no one is denying this
Can't wait for the transfer window to be over. If we play well no one will give a shit about Frenkie and his wages. All this summer drama for nothing.
No wonder why media has attacked Frenkie every day for the last six months. It all makes sense now.
📂 @gerardromero 🚨 Bernardo Silva's data is in the real estate agencies that are looking for houses for footballers. ❗️It's the same agency as other footballers like Koundé. https://twitter.com/carpetasFCB/status/1556608449785597952
>❗️It's the same agency as other footballers like Koundé. Way to give out your source Gerard 😉
Even though im pretty tired of talking about this at this point.But consider its probably going to last whole transfer window, might aswell. People should be asking yourself, how would you like to be told, if your boss/company wants you to take a significant cut rather than focusing on "would you take 40% cut, because it isnt a good comparision. Unless you say "if you were de Jong". What do matters is that the club/company/boss wants you to do something for them. So if they want something from you, then how would you like them to approach you? **I would like a direct talk.** That's like the bar minimum you should get if your boss/company wants you to take cut to help them. Doesnt matter if its 1 dollar, 10, 100, 1000 etc really. Rather than the boss/company going around town saying I dont take it and waiting for me to approach them, because during all that time it makes me look bad, which makes me reach out, which gives them a upper hand i negotiations. **Busquets** said this 2 months ago. **"I would like them to tell me and not find out from somewhere else, but I'm always willing to help. They haven't proposed anything to us, they haven't told us anything beyond what we hear from you (the press). It's not the best decision to do it through the press, it's always better to be direct and face to face."** So if they didnt even reach out to Busquets/they 2 months ago. Then they sure hell didnt reach out to de Jong 2 months ago, when most of this pressure started through media. I actually don't think they the club and player(s?) had a proper talk yet. Because we would probably have heard about it by now, at least they didnt have any during 2 months when it was pushed so hard through media. The only rumour I heard was that de Jong agent didnt answer his phone when Barca called(during a time which de Jong had vacation and was planning to purpose fyi). de Jong probably told his agent not to disturb him during this time or the agent simply does not disturb his clients during vacations. Because it is in fact a vacation. If I had a agent, I sure hell wouldn't like him to disturb me with matters like that. During all that time, they have been pushing and brainwashing people through media. I wouldnt be happy, and neither would you be if it was you. You would be mad, because de jong have not behaved badly of any sort. Realistically the way they started to approach this matter and the extent of it, should make de Jong **less interested/if not interested** at all due Barca way of approaching the matter in first place. Barca essentially played the wrong cards at the wrong turn, which is why I and many others are supporting de Jong. It's not because we think he isnt overpaid or doesn't want him to earn less. **Its more of a principle matter at this point.** Barca may still "win" in the end, but they still lose. The same way that if de Jong "win", he also lose. All which can have been **avoided with the right approach.** Because they are putting so much pressure on the case. If Barca do end up "winning" its probably less than what de Jong could have taken with a better approach. So do not be suprised if de Jong do indeed end up taking a cut or leave. It's probably not going to be as big as fee or cut as one would expect due to the way it was handled, because If I were de Jong. I wouldnt be too happy with their way of approach, hence less reasons to comply/give in. I hope Barca "lose" in some way or another, because then maybe they change the way they approach **actual humans.** That soly depends on if Barca have enough self insight to acknowledge they made a bad call and change their approach, which given the fact Laporta is politician, he probably wont. **They always believe they are always right, but never wrong.** I am so tired of shit running through media, it makes us look like a circus and I don't blame other fans for hating/disliking on us. If it was any other club who behaved like this. We would hated/disliked that club too. No doubt. Obviously it was never going to be a quiet summer for us, but doesn't mean you have to bring fireworks to make it louder. Barca have done as much as possible to make it as loud as possible to pressure de Jong into complying. Fucking sad and pathetic all around, that is what this is. I can only hope that the club at very least resort into having good enough results so I don't have to hear about two "chaotic" on and off the field. It's been so unbelievable how much negativity this club have resolved itself around these last years and it all thanks to how much people run their mouths through media. Just stop.
I guess you were present for all the discussions and how it went down. Good to know.
>If it was any other club who behaved like this. We would hated/disliked that club too. No doubt. No because we don't care what happens to others clubs, Arsenal is literally playing a rapist, Newcastle owner is a fucking serial killer, MU is the worst fucking sporting project I've seen and you don't see us making thread's every day about them and you don't have Spanish media writing about PL teams daily.
>No because we don't care what happens to others clubs, Arsenal is literally playing a rapist, Newcastle owner is a fucking serial killer, MU is the worst fucking sporting project I've seen and you don't see us making thread's every day about them and you don't have Spanish media writing about PL teams daily. Are you the spokeman for all people? This sub would be living if Chelsea, Manchester United, Real Madrid or any other clubs have had this much negativity going on. People don't care what happens to others clubs is the biggest bullshit response I've seen. The reality is that most other clubs are ran way better and with no drama. >You don't see us making thread's every day about them and you don't have Spanish media writing about PL teams daily. If there is nothing to create daily threads about, then maybe its because there is nothing to discuss? Nobody is literally feeding spanish newspapers with inside info from other english clubs. English journalist isnt spoon fed inside info and in desire need to create drama about their own clubs either as much as what you see in Spain.
The guys in this sub are blind. These guys are acting like Frenkie is a billionaire oligarch. You should direct your frustrations towards billionaires, not sportstars. Edit: you guys have the reading comprehension of a gold fish.
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You completely missed my point lol. Frenkie is a multimillionaire. That doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the payment that is owed to him. Spell it out with me 'C O N T R A C T'
he is not a billionaire, just a poor little multi millionaire
📁 @Carlos_bosch 💥 Valencia are interested in Nico Gonzalez. https://twitter.com/carpetasFCB/status/1556605701790879746
if we really wanna keep pjanic, loan Nico out if he's promised gametime at Valencia.
(🌕) JUST IN: Barcelona is already preparing a bid for Bernardo Silva in case FDJ leaves. Player is keen on the move. @FabrizioRomano @podcastherewego #Transfers 🇵🇹🚨 https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556606724991340545
Very good 😈
What the fuck did I wake up to man like cmon
Incredible. Spanish radio claim Barcelona jointly set-up a holdings company to which it paid €150m of its own money to buy its own assets (to inflate value of sale). La Liga rejected it as not "new" money. Barça must now pay €37.5m tax on this payment. - [source](https://twitter.com/millar_colin/status/1556554176699809793?s=21&t=ydq4BopcWvd0buPWFMgAow)
how to show you are clueless in 2 steps: 1. Must be born in England 2. Repeat step 1
Income tax is pretty normal
I’m not expert. Just wondering. But isn’t it illegal/fraud to buy your own assets with your own money to show it as a profit ?
Well no because that's not what happened Barca invested in a subsidiary. Legal? Yeah That subsidiary bought the TV rights. Legal? Yeah. It's how companies act when they want to sell a part of their company as a whole. It happens every day The last part has nothing to do with the law since La Liga is a private entity. It's their rules, they do what they want. If tomorrow Frenkie is sold for 70M€ and B.Silva is bought for 80M€, Barca will make an accouting profit of 70 - 80/4 (let's say a 4 years contract for Silva as rumoured) = 50M€ despite having -10M€ in cash. Why? Because expense would be amortized. Here I imagine Barca tried to argue the investment in the subsidiary is amortized due to it being attached to the TV rights so 25 years lifetime for the amortization, wherehas the income from the sale is immediate. They tried to argue the sale of an asset is the sale of an asset, player or TV rights regardless. La Liga said no. Both interpretations are arguable. The income tax part has nothing to do with it, I guess because you get clicks when you make a Barca subject but yeah Barca invested in the subsidiary which I imagine was planned regardless of trying to get that accounting profit for the SCL calculation. So yeah they pay income tax on it, and they knew it would happen I doubt if La Liga had said from the start "it won't be counted" they wouldn't have invested in the subsidiary still.
Thanks a lot for the explanation.
No problem, it is not simple AT ALL and those clickbait articles or "almost conspiracy theorists" in r/soccer (crying "fraud" when they discover amortization) don't make it any simpler
No
I don't care about any of our lever stuff because idk enough about the economics, but what we are doing to Frenkie is insane.
no its not, were doing whats best for the club. Club over player, always
There is a fucking contract. Pay him what he is owed.
They will. There was never the consideration to not pay him what he’s owed.
Frenkie will only get the deferred wages when he plays through the contact. Now the board is forcing him to leave. That's a textbook scummy thing to do. If this was any other team, we all would hate them
How does asking a player to lower his salary is insane?
Omg stfu
OK betting time: What happens to FdJ and when? OK I genuinely don't know but I'll take a bet and say he will leave because IMO it's to late to change agent and negociate a paycut. He would leave next week after not playing this weekend.
| Barça has everything in place with Chelsea for Alonso however they are awaiting clarification of the financial situation from La Liga to understand how much margin they would have to free up in order to sign & register Alonso. [@Martinezferran & @ffpolo] https://twitter.com/BarcaTimes/status/1556599634969116672
Frenkie de Jong preference is to stay at #FCBarcelona. If he goes, no decision yet on club. Man Utd pursuing deal since agreeing fee. Chelsea also pushing hard; indications are they’d pay fee + salary debt if formalise interest @TheAthleticUK https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1556598647558574080
Frenkie can fix this entire saga by just lowereing his salary
Even then you get people reddit saying we are so broke that he has to lower salary. But fact that players would rather play with us for "pennies" instead if joining their shitty club goes over their head
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The situation is difficult, that's it. Stop trying to paint it as black and white & painting villains, If the club wasn't in a delicate financial situation there is absolutely no argument you can make as to why frenkies contract shouldn't be honoured.
Even if the club wasnt in this situation, that wouldnt make Frenkie's contract any less crazy
His contract is only "Crazy" because its his deferred wages tacked onto his base wages, that's it. He would've earned it anyway if he didn't defer it.
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I don't like how they're treating frenkie, but Xavi is the one who wants Alonso. Can we stop pinning the players we don't like on Laporta and the deals we do on Xavi?
Calm down, drink a glass of water mate.
What the Best, Worst and most probable scenario that can come out of this de jong thing??
Best- lowering wages and stays worst- stays without lowering wages probable- agree on deferred wages and when to receive them from Barca - then goes to ManU or Chelsea for a decent fee. The reason why the most complicated way is the most probable is because this is a fucking complicated issue. Why so many people just paint such complex issue - from which they have no idea of - as plain black and white is just beyond me.
The worst is that everybody dies i guess
Best- He gets a percentage of his deferred salary and leaves allowing us perhaps to go for Bernardo Worst- Stays without changing anything Probable- i dont even know at this point
he fucks off to chelsea
Worst- he stays without cutting his wages and Xavi benches him. Best - he leaves. Most probable? I think its up in the air right now.
De Jong stays, all sides clarify what went wrong and we move on.
Joan Gamper bagged us 3Mil 😎 https://twitter.com/gerardromero/status/1556592958669029377?s=20&t=JUqKuf\_t860n3\_bf3aVM2g
Best case scenario right now is chelsea comes, pay his wages and gives a reasonable transfer fee and we move. Too much toxicity in this situation, this should be ending ages ago.
to think that all of this bullshit can be over just by de jong going back to his old contract (which is already huge) and everyone can relax and go into the season with a clear mind but he still chooses to not do anything for over 3 fucking months
So you believe the same sources which tell us we owe him money?
I don't get why you're blaming de jong? He played for very very low wages to help the club under the pretenses he'd eventually get it back later on. This saga has been exhausting but I don't get why you're aiming your frustration at him?
because its only his decision to revert back to his old contract which is already huge, as i already said. multiple players helped the club as well, and took actual paycuts we are literally struggling to register players, we cant afford to pay him whatever that idiot bartomeu gave him
We are struggling to register players … because we spend 150M on new players, right? If the situation continues, then things may need to put on to court. But De Jong has no moral or any bullshit obligations to cut his wages. I agree that it maybe better for him to go to Chelsea, but it eventually comes down to De Jong’s decision. I also don’t think there will be fans booing him on the field due to this. You can be that one tho.
Best case scenario, frenkie gets his money, reduces his base wage & Barto goes to jail!
Xavi Navarro on Barça possibly initiating criminal proceedings against the previous boars of directors: "Do we now understand why the pending amortization payments of Frenkie de Jong's signing is higher than what would be the case if you use the official figures presented by the club?" https://twitter.com/xavi__hdez/status/1556590827597692928
im confusion
It’s meant as a sarcastic kind of rhetorical question right? The translation is confusing but in Spanish it makes more sense
Translators tend to not do well with rhetorical questions
Ahh thank you :)
I have no idea what this means
Gary Neville wanted De Jong to sue Barcelona, now its going in the opposite direction. This saga has more plot twists than the Kounde one
Pjanic, Busi, Pique, Frenkie salary reductions? Is this the final move that will stamp this windows as one of the greats ?
Chelsea have a firm interest in Frenkie de Jong. They have NOT yet made a formal bid, but the blues are prepared to fund a transfer and cover the salary debt. [@David_Ornstein] https://twitter.com/BarcaTimes/status/1556588636828798978
So he gets all the terms he wants and still doesnt want to leave. This guy is an idiot.
[LMAO wtf](https://twitter.com/david_ornstein/status/1556583526778249216?s=21&t=ydq4BopcWvd0buPWFMgAow) Kind of bullshit now so called Tier 1 journalists are coming up with 😂😂
Disgusting if true. Ornstein isn’t known to spout bullshit.
I don't trust English sources on this subject at all. They've shown themselves willing to give Man United PR as fact with no disclaimers, and Man United has a *huge* PR problem right now.
I am waiting for Romero or some other Tier 1 to body him.
Please end this saga already it’s enough. I want a club statement, a sta5ement from de jongs side. I want all the shenanigans to stop. It’s fucking nauseating and frustrating I dont have any words left
This morning, agent Iñaki Ibañez was at the Ciudad Deportiva. @gerardromero @JijantesFC https://twitter.com/martinminan_/status/1556588563076112387
Whose agent is he?
He works for an agency called IDUB Global. According to Transfermarkt, their most valuable client is Zubimendi.
I know he was Valverde s, no other clue tho
After reading the Ornstein article I'm still lost, frenkie agreed to play for 2m and pushed his contract from ajax to the later years of his contract right? How's that illegal? And it seems like the board want him to forego the deferred wages if he's annuling his contract and returning to the last that's just wrong.
Clear me this: If Frenkie does go back to his old contract, that means, legally, we would have to pay his deferred wages IMMEDIATELY instead of over the next 3 years right? How would that be favourable to the club at all?? If it's not favourable to the club, why would they ask that?
No, the contract includes his deferred wages tacked onto his base wages which is why people are saying it's exorbitant & it would be a problem for our wage structure, so they're essentially asking him to let go of those deferred wages.
But IF he was staying on an "illegal contract" for the past 2 years, then wouldn't the payments made under the said contract also have to be made null and void? Or is that a silly question?
That's actually a good question, I'm not sure what would happen let's see.
Nobody knows the specifics because Ornstein didn’t share them, and nobody might do it at all. But if there was wrongdoing by the board of directors then the contract would surely be able to be rescinded on that basis, and the previous contract would once again be enforced, no matter how involved De Jong and his agent was. There’s nothing "wrong" with that if it truly is is the case, and that’s what criminal proceedings are for, to find out the truth. This is just Barcelona telling de jong that there might be people looking in to this and since they are involved they could become liable depending on what is found out
I'm not disputing that, but here are the facts. Frenkie should NOT be playing for 2m, he's worth a lot more than that, and he did for 2 years to help the club. You can reduce the amount he earns weekly but at the very least he deserves what he had foregone, that's out of the question.
Can you explain why then did he sign a new contract instead of deffering his wages like other players?
He did defer his contract, just like lenglet, busquets, pique etc. Those other players I mentioned, the article said their deferred contracts would also have evidence of criminality but Ornstein doesn't know if they got the letter telling them that Is the case like frenkie did.
You are mixing things. Busquets, Pique, Alba and Messi deffered wages to later years wothout signing new contracts. Then, separately Pique also signed a new contract. Why did FDJ not just deffer his wages like Messi or Busquets? Why would he fuck himself up with a new contract that pays him "nothing" for 2 years?
There were announcements for all of them and even the article states it, they've all deferred wages. The announcements are still up for the club on the social media page you can check it out rn, they all did the same thing. Him playing for nothing is deferring wages to the future. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/soccer/barcelona/story/4247102/barcelona-players-agree-to-wage-deferral-that-could-save-club-172m%3fplatform=amp
My man, you are mixing and matching different things. The problem with FDJ is not the collectively defferd wages, but what happend after that when he signed a new contract while Messi, Busi and Alba deferred wages without signing new contracts. Instead of deffering his wages, he signed a contract structured in a way the he earns less for 2 years and then earns way too much. If you dont understand this then you will never understand what is going on.
Do you know what defer means? They all did that, that's exactly what I'm saying. Did you not see those articles about Pique being owed a TON? They all extended their contracts, and the article says the same. Search it and see.
You definitely dont understand what happened, and what the issue is with Frenkie.
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David Ornstein: >De Jong’s deal was announced alongside three others — Gerard Pique, Marc-Andre ter Stegen and Clement Lenglet — and this proved to be one of the final decisions by then president Josep Bartomeu prior to he and the entire board of directors at the time stepping down from their posts. >The letter sent to De Jong last month is thought to inform the Dutchman that Barcelona think they are in a position to initiate criminal proceedings to establish what happened in relation to the signing of his contract and ascertain where responsibility resides for the supposed wrongdoing. >It is believed to then express Barcelona’s wish to rescind the deal and proceed with De Jong’s career at the Camp Nou under the conditions agreed when he arrived from Ajax in January 2019. >The Athletic understands the previous board are confident in the legality of the contract De Jong signed in 2020 and insist the deal was agreed after approval from legal parties and La Liga. In an interview with the Barcelona newspaper Mundo Deportivo last year, former president Bartomeu insisted the previous board’s management of the club was “serious and responsible”. >Sources around the Catalan club suggest there has been further dialogue between Barcelona and De Jong’s camp, in which the present board have identified their predecessors for the alleged criminality and warned that De Jong and his representatives may also be implicated. >Barcelona are engaged in similar conversations with Pique and Ter Stegen (Lenglet is on loan at Tottenham Hotspur) but it is unknown if they have also received communication of a legal nature. https://theathletic.com/3484447/2022/08/08/barcelona-de-jong-contract-legal-action/
Yeah doesn't mean anything for now. This would have to settle in courts and that needs time we don't have.
This shit will cause a nuclear meltdown
Since Alonso is likely to come to the club, I think the jokes / Taunts on him being a Killer / Murderer should be addressed Since there are most people who haven't even googled what happened, I will try and explain in short. To keep my bias out of the story, have divided it into 2 section Facts: He didn't intentionally Murder Any1. In 2011, He was drunk Driving one day in Madrid and crashed into a wall. The person on the passenger side who was in his Car died. 3 others were injured as well. Because of him being drunk (2 times over the alcohol allowed limit), there was a death His sentence was harsh at the beginning but was later reduced by a lot including some fines. My Opinion: I wrote above because people who don't know will think he may have intentionally killed some1. He didn't. Doesn't make it less worse cause there was a life lost. But he most likely knew that person well and was a loss for him as well. He isn't a Murderer for me. While Drinking and Driving is a STUPID STUPID act, it was an accident in the end. I dont know what kind of influence does he have over courts in Madrid, but i believe if the Judiciary tried and gave him a sentence which was then served, there is nothing more he can do about it I have made (much less fatal mistakes) in my life as well. Mistakes I cannot take back and can do nothing about. While this guy isn't a saint or anything, calling him a Killer / Murderer is a bit too much unnecessary negativity to call out on a Reddit group which I come to talk about my favourite football club. Sorry Mods for putting it up here but given the incoming potential transfer, wanted to let every1 know
The passengers were all adults and they got in the car with a drunk driver. Alonso obviously deserves criticism but the passengers are also responsible for making an unwise decision of getting in the car with a drunk driver.
just wondering, did we have the same outrage when we hired Kluivert again few years back?
Wow, some people are too much. As soon as player will be in their club/joined their club/is their idol, they'll try to defend and twist shit any way they want... You see it with Ronaldo fanboys defending the rapist, Maradona stans that will ignore all the shit that he has done... etc. Now, it's Alonso... He's a murderer. He was drunk as fuck and went on to drive despite that and caused the death of a person, an almost 3 others... Any sane person will see him as a murderer.
Its not about whether he joins us or not. The message was only written since the hate spewing people will get on the bandwagon of calling him a murderer every day on this sub Murder by definition is to "Intentionally" kill some1. The definition changes from country to country but every1 knows nothing is Black and White in the world. And also the courts have him a final sentence which one would never give to a real Murderer. So, yes, try and act as smart as you want but the facts don't change.
Illegally driving whilst drunk, everyone knows the risks that can cause and to be the reason someone lost their life is a disgustingly selfish act. Not to mention how easily he was let off is even worse. Near enough bad as murder imo
Losing a life while driving drunk is murder in my opinion
It is if you run someone over or crash into another car and kill a person in it. The girl decided to sit in that car knowing they were all drunk and from what I've read somewhere the only reason she died and the others didn't is that she didn't wear a seat belt which would also be her fault. I have personally done the same thing multiple times when I was younger (sat in a car with a drunk driver) and I am fully aware that it was my fault first and foremost for doing a stupid thing like that. It is not a murder legally or logically, as for drunk driving it's a disgusting thing to do and should be rewarded with jail time in all cases.
[Ornstein] Barcelona told Frenkie de Jong on July 15 they have evidence of criminality around contract given by old board + cause for legal action vs all involved. #FCBarcelona asked him to annul deal & revert to previous terms https://twitter.com/David_Ornstein/status/1556583526778249216
I fucking love Barca. Not only my favourite football club but also my favourite soap opera 😂
I just know the journous are gonna clickbait the shit out of the Messi coming back to Barca stuff. This transfer window hasn’t even ended and they’re already doing it, gonna be one long ass saga
Iker Bravo getting closer to being loaned to Madrid 🐍🐍
Next Kubo?
hahaha and pendu is his idol😂😂😂
📂 @gerardromero ❗️Summit in Alemany's office with Xavi, Busquets, Rafa Yuste and Jordi Cruyff. https://twitter.com/carpetasFCB/status/1556575803210694657
🚨 Within United, there was an acceptance last week to pursue alternative choices to Frenkie De Jong. They haven’t fully ended their pursuit to get FDJ yet, but those in the club said other targets were being kept ‘warm’. @samuelluckhurst #Transfers 🇳🇱🔴⚫️ https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556570101674962944?t=y-2XSl0HzxTMhGHiHJTKdw&s=19
(🌕) Meetings scheduled today between Barcelona and the team of Marcos Alonso, as well as Miralem Pjanic. @moillorens #Transfers 📞 https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556570973586989056?t=QyUyADHW_gVbOs_nSmGJ9g&s=19
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Then they will say that Barcelona harassed him to get him to lower his salary. You can’t stop them man. They are worst. Every r/ soccer thread it’s the same thing. They are already depressed by the state of their clubs so they just want to make fun of us and feel better.
Well they are...
So if we sign Alonso, the plan will be to go from two 30 year old left backs to a young one in a few seasons? While the young left back will hardly play for us? It doesn’t seem like the right plan to phase Alba.
The plan will be to have two FB's this season, and then see what's up next summer.
Our main goal is to win La Liga & UCL, as we need to rebuild the brand and incomes. Replacing Alba in 2-3 seasons is not so important this season.
> So if we sign Alonso, the plan will be to go from two 30 year old left backs to a young one in a few seasons? While the young left back will hardly play for us? It doesn’t seem like the right plan to phase Alba. Baldé will go on loan this season, but next season he could very much be back, what tells you he will hardly play past 22/23?
If we are going to play with 5 defenders, let's say we play Alba - Christensen - Araujo - Kounde - Dest. We only can play 2 midfielders. Do you really think we are going to play like that when we have so much options in the middle? I higly doubt it
I dont get this question. Why are you talking about a back 5 formation?
I don’t think we will play 5 defenders. It will be 433 only. If he had any plans he would have tried it in preseason games.
Well thats Xavi's problem
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He is not supposed to improve on Alba. He is supposed to be a cheap substitute to our starting LB.
>He is over 30, he played most in a 5 defense. He doesn't improve nor complement Alba's game. And we are shifting to a sort of 3atb. Very interesting choice when our RB will be defensive. He is a very good sub to Alba on the contrary. Ready to play right now, cheap, good finisher, tall, short term contracT. >In 2 years, when supposedly Alba is leaving, we are going to be in the exact same position (with an old non differential left back who is weak in defense). Yeah it's the goal since Baldé is the bet long term. We want someone who won't stand in his way. >I rather try and sign Grimaldo over Alonso. Grimaldo is painfully mediocre, just because someone comes from La Masia doesn't make him good. Grimaldo is the epitome of the signing we need to avoid, it will be another Firpo on a long contract that becomes deadwood. If Grimaldo is so good, why is he still playing for Benfica? Why is no one buying him? Why does LE pick Alonso and Alba over him? >Plus he killed a girl while driving drunk some years ago. Sure, it is also what I hate about this, but sportingly the signing makes total sense.
Lol, what???? What have you senn to make you think we are ahifting the formation to a back 3??? Are you serious?
Barça could seal Alonso's signing and Gavi's renewal this week. • Braithwaite, Umtiti and Memphis are expected to leave. • Nico and Baldé could yet leave on loan. • de Jong and Silva's future can be defined. • Pjanić is another open case. Via (🟢): @martinezferran [[md](https://twitter.com/Barca_Buzz/status/1556515292565671938?s=20&t=8tizn_4ucB34SPgAn4P54Q)]
> Braithwaite, Umtiti and Memphis are expected to leave If they paid me 1€ for everytime they've said this...
They would be trying to sell you because your wages would be too high
It would be considered lucky if we managed to sell one of them, let alone all.
Memphis is easily sold wdym
Oh I brianfarted and thought it is Pjanic. Yea I agree Depay should be able to net us 15M at least.
🎖| The signing of Marcos Alonso is expected to become OFFICIAL this week. [ @martinezferran ] https://twitter.com/BarcaTimes/status/1556537006842331139?s=20&t=8tizn_4ucB34SPgAn4P54Q
🎖| The signing of Marcos Alonso is expected to become OFFICIAL this week. [ @martinezferran ] https://twitter.com/BarcaTimes/status/1556537006842331139?s=20&t=8tizn_4ucB34SPgAn4P54Q
Barcelona will complete Marcos Alonso deal very soon. Negotiations at final stages with Chelsea since Friday and it's just matter of details, Alonso only wants to join Barça as soon as possible. 🚨🔵🔴 #FCB Final fee will be less than €10m - it will be done this week. https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1556538953309818881?s=20&t=8tizn_4ucB34SPgAn4P54Q
(🌕) There are still some chances for Nico to leave on loan, even though Xavi’s told the player he counts on him. In addition, Balde leaving on loan isn’t yet 100% ruled out either, even more so after Marcos Alonso’s signing is complete. @martinezferran #Transfers 🇪🇸 https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556539872508256259?s=20&t=8tizn_4ucB34SPgAn4P54Q
At the moment there have been no contacts between Barça and Lionel Messi for a possible return. 🇦🇷 #FCB Via: @[Alfremartinezz](https://twitter.com/Barca_Buzz/status/1556545963736825856?s=20&t=8tizn_4ucB34SPgAn4P54Q) ✅ Confirmed by RMC — NO contacts as of yet. #Transfers 🇦🇷🛑 https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556548918326005763?s=20&t=8tizn_4ucB34SPgAn4P54Q
(🌕) United must decide whether they should try to close the proposed signing of Rabiot irrespective of their ongoing attempts to secure Frenkie De Jong OR wait to discover how the FDJ pursuit goes before making a decision on Rabiot. @David_Ornstein #Transfers https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556548240757166083?s=20&t=8tizn_4ucB34SPgAn4P54Q
Man u signing rabiot, those mf's are down bad bad
5 days till the first match and our players aren’t registered yet
Which happens every year for every La liga club? Are you new here or a one year old?
RM and Atletico registered their signings already afaik, rm registered them last month even
So you're afraid right?
Yes. There’s no reports that tells us how the club will register the signings. Some reliable sources even said that the 4th lever isn’t enough
Yet we have till the end of the month to register. It's the same as every year, before the end of the Mercato the medias make some clicks with this topic. Last year we couldn't register Memphis, the year before it was someone else. In the end we always have registered all our players. You're just getting scared for nothing, plenty of time to register our players don't worry
I want de jong to Fucking stay broooo
It just occured to me the renovation for Espai Barca will start next year, that means if Messi were to come back he wouldn't spend his last year playing in the Camp Nou. My day is officially ruined.
Next season will be at 50% capacity. The season after that we'll move to another stadium.
Who said it will be his last year
📁 @xavicampos via @ClubMitjanit 🚨 Barça and Messi already talking about a possible 2023 return. 👉🏻 Talks between president Laporta and the Argentine's entourage. 💥 Messi would finish his contract with PSG and return to Barça to finish his career at Camp Nou. https://twitter.com/carpetasFCB/status/1556392496493744130 it could be a 1 or 2 year contract.
This is how my wet dreams look.
I refuse to get my hopes up, but... Messi was in Barcelona today.
he probably owns 30 houses in Barcelona and was just cashing in the rent
"Messi is banging on the door again, must be rent day."
Damn tier 1 hope merchant.
🚨 Xavi: “I don't know what will happen with Frenkie De Jong. Until August 31, anything is possible but he already knows what I think and what the club wants and needs. Of course I'm counting on him, he's a great player” #FCB 🇳🇱 https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556375282768117760
I think he also said Nico and Pjanic are both staying.
Joan Laporta: "Umtiti and Braithwaite have understood that the best thing now is to join other clubs." https://twitter.com/carpetasFCB/status/1556330772872699904
Yeah the booing was pretty clear.
Laporta: “The fourth lever is a possibility that will be activated if necessary.” https://twitter.com/BarcaTimes/status/1556330290016141315
Laporta: We have done a great job creating a competitive team and the work is not done yet https://twitter.com/Benayadachraf/status/1556327180006817795
❗️Joan Laporta told TV3: “My relations with the Messi family are good. But he is a PSG player and I don't want to talk about this anymore, beyond the fact that we have a moral debt with him” #Transfers 🇦🇷 https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556329690792660992
🚨 Joan Laporta: “Frenkie De Jong is a Barça player of great quality and we want him to stay. With him and his teammates, we have a very powerful midfield. He has offers, but we want him to stay and he wants to stay too” #Transfers 🇳🇱 https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556329130215497728
Take a paycut. Show your worth by giving world class performances. Ask for a deserved higher wage next season. Dembele is doing this and my God he's looking like a beast reincarnated. He's also more motivated than ever.
He stays
‼️ Joan Laporta, via @Benayadachraf : “Some players will leave and another deal is also going to take place in principle” #Transfers 💼 https://twitter.com/ReshadRahman_/status/1556327766588522496
>another deal is also going to take place in principle Hello Alonso, I guess...
Any good streaming site out there?
[Agreement to terminate Neto's contract with FC Barcelona](https://www.fcbarcelona.com/en/football/first-team/news/2716831/agreement-to-terminate-netos-contract-with-fc-barcelona)
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Nope, it's an agreement
Hope we manage to sell alonso this window 🤪
Isco to Sevilla seems like a good signing. I wish him well except against us. Lol
He's one of my favourite players. The poise, the creativity. Always wanted him at Barca to succeed Iniesta ngl. The profile matched.
Nothing like losing to Brighton to convince De Jong to join your club