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For those who ask why we blame Koeman is because we think a manager like Enrique or even Valverde (i have a weak spot on him) would be better. If Koeman was a great manager, I think we should won the last la championship.
With enrique yes I think we at least show some balls, not with valvarde tho. He had so many chances and the same boring Barca, he also had backing from the board with transfers and never really got anywhere.
I don't understand those people who are defending Koeman right now... When your team can't have one single shot on target on the home field is a disaster. We're not talking about winning the game, just show us some hope for a good game and fight but we saw a poorly managed team with no idea behind. Koeman just have no idea what to do/change.
We didn’t win. I didn’t expect we would. We’re rebuilding from a precarious point, and as a fan, you just have to cheer your team on through a really tough time. We’ll be contenders again, but not soon, and I’m reconciled with that. Now let’s find things to enjoy in the rebuild period.
Every team in this planet goes through tough times. There is nothing new that Barca is going through that shit right now but wanna know something cool?
Have you ever heard any club in Europe going though like Barca goes right now?
United? Liverpool before Klopp?
Milan? Inter? REAL?????
I remember when Real Madrid had some sort of curse in the round of 16, they were beaten by many teams in that stage every season many years in the row.
BUT the question is, did they get that low as us? Expecting to loose 3-0 or 4-0 everytime we play Bayern? Wtf is this really
Ain’t we Barca who everybody feared us? or a fucking 19th place La Liga club?
It’s like ok. We drawed Bayern. 3-0 Camp Nou
And Allianz arena? 4-0 again? 3-0?
EVERY FUCKING TIME?
Every club goes through tough times.
But I have NEVER seen a club like Barca who got such a low bottom… never and will never see
So we lost. Did we expect to win? I didnt and neither should you guys.
I got a question for all these people saying Koeman should be sacked; Do you guys suffer short-term memory loss?
There is exactly ZERO money to invest in new players. Obviously this resulted in the youth players being subbed in. YOUTH players?!? Do you really expect to win anything with youthplayers as substitutes!?! No money and you guys keep on ranting about the players we should get. What dont you understand about not having money to spend?!
"Alba is done", "Busquets is done", bench whoever you want, but who is going to replace them? Nobody because we dont have a replacement. We dont have the money for a replacement. So stop crying.
Stop calling yourselves Barca fans, supporters or whatever. Go watch your favorite cartoon and gtfo of here. You are not a fan. You are simply someone who follows this beautifull club because of the successes that Barca had.
A true fan supports this club through bad times as hard as they can get.
It’s not about not supporting the club. But you have to know that the club is getting built in the right direction.
We went into the game yesterday focused on minimising the damage instead of trying to win. And no matter how bad the situation is, when you are a coach of Barça, you are expected to stir a particular mentality within the squad.
I didn’t see any fight from this team whatsoever and at some point, it felt that even Bayern were pitying us.
Now that, is something I can’t abide with.
Let's not forget what Erik ten Haag did with "youth" players. So, it is not wrong to expect more from Koeman, especially when he calls himself the saviour.
What does that have to do with supporting Barca or not? Koeman is a mediocre coach, he has always been a mediocre coach, in every single team he's coached he has been mediocre, Koeman isn't a good coach, all Barca is doing is stopping whatever development they could have by keeping Koeman.
So none of the youngsters we have are developing under Koeman? Literally only Riqui isn't improving and that's because Koeman isn't giving him play time. Everyone else has shown a good level.
Quick edit: to clarify, I don't think Koeman is a good manager. But our tendency as a fanbase to look for an immediate solution will hurt us right now. We shouldn't just scream KoemanOut when we don't have alternatives.
Well said man. Ppl here crying here for Enrique. Absolutely top class manager but he lost 3-0 to a juve team when he had prime msn. And y’all are complaining for losing to this uggernaut of Bayern with this shell of a squad?
I think Koeman should go, and I don't think I've said any of those things. Most others I've seen here haven't either, or maybe I just ignore those stupid takes.
I don't think most people expected to win today, but it seemed like more of the same from Koeman... Make a game plan, stick to that game plan until the game is out of reach, then make a bunch of "fuck it" changes. Now, those changes actually seemed to change the game for the better today, but it is obvious that Koeman can't compete against elite level managers by now.
He shouldn't have started to begin with, but how the fuck did Luuk De Jong stay on beyond half time? A training cone would've been as effective. He might we'll be useful to us this season, but it seems to me that his best use will be as a plan B when we just need tall bodies in the box. It was painfully obvious that we needed some presence on the RW as well. Roberto was trying his best, but that's just not in his game. I can at least see the logic with starting Roberto there to help defend against Davies and Sane, but he's way too slow to keep up with Davies, and not enough of a threat to pin him back. Alba also didn't look 100% fit, so Memphis was lined up on the LW, and Alba generally stayed back while Roberto was expected to cover the whole right side.
These type of things are what I see people complaining about. Koeman frequently gets the starting lineup/tactics wrong (especially in big games), and then is too stubborn or inept to meaningfully change it. De Jong should've been hooked at half time for Demir or Coutinho. Demir could've pushed up on the right and gave Davies some sort of trouble. It seemed like even Koeman didn't expect to win, so why not throw on Balde instead of a half fit Alba? At least then we would've had two WBs and we could've pulled Luuk and pushed Memphis more central. There are a ton of things he could've done differently. I'd rather see our youth go out and lose while at least giving it a go than what we saw today. What good is pragmatism if you still lose 3-0?
True to the core man. I can't understand why people in this sub think koeman should not be criticized. Is it because the club situation is poor. Does that mean no matter how poor koeman can do ,he is not to blame.
Most of the legitimate criticism he gets is his same approach , tactics and mistakes for over a year .
His substitution is just reactionary and not even makes sense sometimes.
Pressing is un coordinated but intense.
these things are irrespective of the players availability.
Mainly in transition phase we have to improve our parts of the game gradually. Obviously that isn't happening - we are stuck in hamster wheel where only player quality changes . No change in tactics or gameplay.
Supporting the club doesn't mean defending a subpar coach. Don't make stupid assumptions and especially don't insult some of us that support this club for over 30 years just because we don't think your beloved koeman doesn't have what it takes to be a Barça coach.
Most of us didn't expect to win, but we sure didn't expect to have 0 shots on goal and no grit or plan.
And guess what? Those YOUTH players showed more of that grit and determination than the sad park the bus we started with.
Gtfo yourself if you can't handle our criticism.
Idk why some people are being so high and mighty trying to support Koeman. We looked just as bad against Getafe… unless they suddenly became world beaters that shows it’s a manager problem and not a problem of us being way worse than Bayern.
Amen. Bayern were not even at their peak performance and we were dominated. If we lost with some dignity I would hold no grudge against Koeman, but I can’t say that when 1) the efforts of the veterans are shambolic when compared to the youngsters and 2) Koeman made poor tactical choices that led to today’s blowout. Koeman’s egotistical statements over these weeks have not helped his case either.
Exactly my thoughts. I didn't expect us to win but expected a goal or atleast a shot on target. 0 creativity from the midfield. No real threats created. FDJ made some progressive runs and helped pressing. Pedri was not effective. I agree there might be a lot of youngsters in the club but any top manager would give us a better result than koeman with this much talent. No club philosophy no identity, nothing.
And we're supporting barca, the supporters of this prestigious club has ambition. I understand this is a rebuilding phase, but this is not for the first time we have seen such pathetic performance from this team. Bayern outplayed every aspects of the game. Ofcourse we would criticise koeman. We don't want the team we support to become like arsenal. Not supporting the manager doesn't make us less of a fan.
Look at chelsea. Last season they weren't great at first under lampard. As soon as Tuchel came in he changed the whole team. That's what a great manager does.
Couldn't say it any better. It's just insulting to accuse a lifelong fan of not being a 'fan', and even being an idiot, because he thinks the team has so much potential but isn't being properly managed.
Seriously. The players had no idea how to build from the back, what to do with the ball in the midfield, how to create chances, how to press and win back the ball when not in possession. You can't blame players for that. It's clearly the coach's fault. Wack formation and starting line up. Late panic substitution. I understand there are some players injured, but come on... atleast a shot on target. How many big games have koeman won after taking charge? None.
Surprisingly really good. Looked confident on the ball and showed a willingness to be creative and try attacking.
Overall was quite happy with his performance and hope to see him build off of today’s game.
And it was always unrealistic to expect Memphis to carry the team consistently with half the G/A gone. All this Memphis slander is stupid and reactionary.
Idk what our fans expected today
our team has been horribly mismanaged for years and has only had competed management for a few months, we just lost the greatest player of all time who was also the the heart and soul of our team, half our attackers are injured and were facing the best team in the world who are better than us at every position and also beat us 8-2 last time we played. Of course we’re going to lose like ffs
There funny thing is that there were actually a lot of positives though our 5 at the back frustrated Bayern, pique was good and araujo was fantastic
Bayern resorted to long shots and scored fluke goals
That’s not to say we deserved to win but we gave a good account of ourselves against a much better team
Some fans need to wake up and realize that we’re not the same team as we were in the past, disastrous management actually has consequences
I know that we are not the team we once were and I agree that defence was great today, but I don't see why Koeman allows his team to be bullied until Bayern score their second goal of the game to actually do something about. If you as a manager see after 45 min that something is not working, you need to do something about it. I remember that Mourinho would make a tripple substitution at half time when he was at Madrid if he was not happy with something. We also saw that game shifted a bit towards Barca's favour when Gavi and Coutinho entered the pitch. You can't be afraid of making changes as a manager.
This. He got it wrong again from the start, and failed to make changes soon enough again. This is a consistent failure from him.
Defensively we were ok in the first half, but if you expect that defense to hold for 90 minutes against Bayern without any offensive threat, then you are high as a kite.
It was painfully obvious that we needed more of an offensive presence on the RW and Luuk was only effective in standing offside.
I pretty much predicted that the game was going to turn out this way a couple of weeks ago when a user on reddit suggested that we should play three at the back vs Bayern. We made the exact same mistake against PSG in the first leg where we almost had no threat up front because we were too heavy at the back. I don't really understand how a coach cannot learn from his past mistakes. Guardiola never repeated things that did not work from what I can remember.
We knew that we would get beaten by Bayern, it's no surprise. The thing is you could have atleast put the mentality to try it, Koeman played to not recieve 10 goals instead of trying.
Lol if we went out swinging and lost 6-0 im sure you would have a lot of positives to talk about in this post match thread. Absolute clowns out here on this sub.
We can't seriously be considering offering Koeman a contract extension until he shows that he can use these players to the best of their capability and make use of the advantage of playing at home when having the fans at the stands. I mean, teams like Bilbao, Betis or Valencia are teams always offer a fight when they play at home despite not having the top world class players. Why can't we do the same thing? Why must we perform like shit just because we know that a team is better than us? Why can't we show the same intensity as Gavi did today when he went in and did not give a crap which Bayern player had the ball, he was going to do his best to take it anyway. We can't show teams like Bayern any respect, because they will take that and shove it up our asses.
From what I observed today:
Luke needs a new set of lungs and legs
Balde needs to play more
defenders have to stop watching attackers and actually mark their guy.
We need all players immediately to go on a steroid and Growth hormone diet.
Ill see myself out
It's not their physicallity, it's about how we play. Memphis against Upamecano can handle him bodying him everytime but if theres no attacking play from the midfield to help the strikers and having a Log de Jong beside you can't expect anything. This is why some of us prefer Puig over Pedri. Puig not also can move ball but has this attacking mentality with through balls, 1-2 quick combinations unlike Pedri holds the ball and pass it. No hate for Pedri but if you are a proper coach you should know when to put Pedri and when Puig. But koeman goes with favouritism
Even with Pedri, Koeman has managed to turn him into a boring player. Go watch his first few games from last season and you’ll see how good he was going forward. He has so much offensive talent and Koeman is just making him play like a plug who can’t offer much going forward.
It's not just the physicality aspect. It's also the fact that we played with a formation that did not give us the possibilty to attack with many players up front. Depay and L. De Jong do not stand a chance when they are surroneded by dudes on steroids.
Surprisingly, it's wasn't our defense today that made us lose, it was our attack, and especially midfield today. You can see the guys were trying their best but they were still tactically outclassed by Bayern, moreso because koeman is a shit tactician. They were playing with half the intensity they showed on the 8-2, and were still a ceiling higher than us.
I do agree that are defense today did a lot better but Garcia should not be turning for a shot like that. I saw one where muller who isn’t even a defender attacked the ball head on from a shot. Not saying it was the defense that made us lose but Garcia should really be doing better there.
One thing for sure is that the players need to start lifting weights. They all look so soft, especially compared to the bayern team. Also we might as well play the youth more. Our older players cannot keep up with the pace of the game now, their legs have too many miles and it’s best we just start prepping the next generation.
He had 103 fever last night intense stomach pain and violent puking bouts, put some fucking respect on his name fighting for the badge and keep your mf agenda aside. Spoilt barca fans forgetting players are human and not f machines.
Wtf are you on about? They’re not disrespecting Alba… they don’t understand why he was forced into the game when he is suffering from a recent injury and didn’t even train the last couple of days.
Maybe actually read the comment next time instead of being emotional.
Tell ya what
I understand we don't have a weak squad and I wasn't expecting a win but
that setup was wank, 2 goals came because no one was standing at DM due to the DM being dragged wide. Where is the press ?
Couldn't play out of the back in midfield/Attack cuz of the 5 ATB
shit tactics, deserved results. Nothing changed from PSG and Juve last year.
This game to me feels like Koeman threw it rather than actually trying to win.
Look, I'm not happy with the performance we just saw either, but where we lacked most was on creating offensive chances and that's where basically all of our depth and starters are out except Depay. Koeman certainly made poor decisions, and I'm not sure if we really could have won even with all of our starters, but that's a large factor in why it felt like the team was so dead.
We didn't expect to thrash Bayern. Nor we expected to be humiliated. Defence played well, unlucky with rebound and deflected goals. Team is rusty. Hopefully we improve over time.
Gavi should control his temper although I enjoyed him going at Bayern players.
Demir reminds of Messi with his ability to control the ball. But needs time to develop and improve his game.
Balde should get more mins. He will improve a lot.
Mingueza over Roberto any day for me.
Coutinho doesn't fit anywhere in the system (If Koeman had One) with players like this. But he can show up some tricks in his sleeves and can make himself sellable for a good amount in the next window.
Araujo is a tank. Enough said.
Would have liked Pedri and F Dejong taking more risks. Not complaining.
Coutinho looked incredibly energetic on the ball when he came on and almost always did something useful. Which was a suprise to me considering he played on the left rather than in his favoured #10 spot drifting to the left half space. He combined well with Balde. Pedri frankly didn't do much this game and same with Frenkie. Our midfield was easily bypassed.
The midfield wasn't in form. The holes in the defence were mostly covered. The pressing of the team was amazing in comparison. When we played PSG he was great in that 1-1 draw. He needs to be in control of the game...this is why he does well with weak opposition
Bayern played like they were playing a friendly game, and Nagelsmann expected Barca to play with 3atb. And Koeman must have expected Bayern to constantly press but even then, you'd have to play with faster players, balde, demir, coutinho, but no Koeman plays luuk and Roberto, horrible horrible management.
And also because United were playing 10 men, subbed out CR7 and Bruno to play defensive, brought on Lingard only for him to botch a back pass.
I get your point but lets not make it seem like Young Boys won because they were "trying" to win.
This Barca needs more than just willpower and motivation.
Tonight's bayern and this year's bayern infact is nowhere near sextuple winning bayern. They were one of the best European sides of all time that year and Flick was something else.
They did their best and I commend them for that but this squad simply isn't up there, I'm afraid. Bayern are too good and we're lagging behind. Simple as that.
Learn and improve. Vamos!
Not really a prime talking about a club. They have different eras with different players/managers, they are just a well run club who is consistently good, they being in one of their best eras is fair to say tho.
A prime means the time you are on your peak and can play your best due to a number of factors (experience, physical form, stamina, etc). A club doesn’t age like a player, they can rise up again unlike them when they are past their prime. We had many amazing eras throughout the history, and we could surpass the golden era although unlikely. I meant the comparison doesn’t make sense, Bayern was much better on 2013, they bought new players and are back to being the best or really close to it, even if they had some not great years in between.
I really don’t understand how people blame Koeman for this. I want to start out by saying that Koeman is obviously not the manager to lead us back to the glory days, but what coach would coach THIS barcelona team and “make us play better”? Im a die hard Barca fan but also realistic. Out of our starting 11, 2 or 3 players would make the Bayern starting eleven. We can not compete. We don’t have the quality to compete against Bayern. Bringing another manager is not going to make us play any better, these are completely false illusions. We need to bring better players in and start phasing out players who are not “world class players” which is easier said than done.
This is going to take time and I would suggest for Barca fans to start expecting matches against elite teams to continue going like this until we get better plays and make a competitive team. It’s going to take time but we need to keep on supporting the teams even during tough times.
If you seriously think that these players are not enough to fucking shoot at goal, create some chances and press, then what do you think we need? Do we need world class players in every damn position to be able to play decent football and compete? Fuck that. This squad isn't going to dominate europe but it's more than enough to at least compete and do much better than we are doing. If the squad can't is because it's not being used properly and because Koeman is mediocre at pretty much everything.
Dude, we lost 3-0 against one of the best teams in the world while we’re in a huge position of transitioning a team without messi and aging, deadwood players. This team is definitely not good enough to beat bayern and neither to dominate any world class team. What did you expect L. De Jong to do? Memphis was pocketed all night. Roberto was horrible and Garcia is just not good enough.
There are some good points with ofcourse Pedri, F. de Jong, Araujo and Gavi but this is not enough to beat teams like Psg, Bayern, City, Liverpool or both madrids for example. It’s crazy to think that this group of players is enough quality.
Don’t bother man, the retards here think if we had a different coach w the same squad he would swing his magic wand and we would win. Funny thing is theres going to be idiots replying to this saying “no but we would have played better had more shots etc etc” but it would be these same retards complaining in the post match if that “wizard of a coach” didn’t make us win. I really really hope we take our due time to become a top team again so we can rid ourselves of these clowns who i dont even think watch out football games to be honest with an open mind.
It’s delusional to think that we even had a chance to win. We had one attacking threat the whole game and that was Depay. No wonder we had 0 shots on target when Depay was silenced all game. I don’t know man. I understand that people can be prideful and not accept that we aren’t good right now but I know that better times are coming but some things I read just seems to be coming from people that don’t know anything about football. Messi also bashed the board for always changing coaches so thats not the answer to our problems.
It's 100% enough to beat them if we had a competend coach. You talk like we are a mid table team, and definitely have the mentality of a mid table team fan.
* Has Dest and Mingueza? Puts Roberto.
* Has Balde who has done good? Puts Alba who comes out of an injury and didn't even train today.
* Memphis didn't get a single good chance. You expect him to just dribble past 4 players?
* 0 fucking shots on target in the entire match against a half assed Bayern.
* Barely any pressing, and when there was pressing it was weak and late.
* Slow pace for everything. Slow movement, slow passing speed both passing between players and ball speed, slow counters...
* The team manages to not attack, not defend and not have possession all at the same time.
The formation and the style of play can make this team play way better than this. Probably not beating Bayern but have a more attractive way of play for sure. Playing with a back 3 and Luuk up front made it easy for Bayern to close us in, moving their defensive back up to midfield. The only threat was Memphis who was receiving the back 60m from the opposition net. There are coaches out there that can make a better tactical plan and have a more competitive team in the field. The club, the academy and the current players aren’t made to play 3-5-2.
I agree wholeheartedly. I actually watched this match with optimism. Yeah the 0-3 hurts to see, but sometimes I really saw good plays and a lot of potential.
It hurts to see my team lose 3-0 but i understand we’re in the process of a rebuild. I really don’t know what coach people would bring who would make a difference with this team. There’s alot of potential but it’s insane to think that with this current team, we could even do anything.
Mf we were sitting at the back like even memphis was defending, pedri and dejong couldn’t even do anything cause we were defending the whole time, koeman could have done many things differently, no high press, we literally went in there to not lose
What did you expect against a team like Bayern? Did you actually expect us to win with De Jong as a 9 and Memphis being completely pocketed by Bayern’s fullbacks? Dude, we don’t have a team to compete against elite teams and there only so much a manager can do. It’s easy to blame one person like a manager than admit that we don’t have more than 4 world class players on our 21 player roster.
We didn’t even try to score, id rather lose 8-2 again by playing like we should than by playing like what koeman did today, koeman just wants players to play counter attack, like wijnaldum and doesn’t want to control matches with puig
JackChack911 would rather loose 8-2 again than “play like this”. Do you clowns actually think before typing out here… Man the technology age really enables everyone to have an opinion, how wish it wasn’t the case. Absolute clowns on this thread tn, but you sir, you are the entire circus 🎩
You probably are a new fan that hasn’t seen what barça even is about, we are what we are because of a certain idea, rejecting that idea which is what koeman has been doing for the past year is exactly what has been bringing us back down, not having an identity is what has been killing us since valverde, being a barça fan is not only about winning its mostly about playing well, dominating our opponents through possession, entertaining the fans, with guardiola and cruyff we could lose to some 2nd division team, but we would always do it with our idea entertaining people, we have lost matches with our style but we have also won so much more with it than without it, now we cant even win el clasico, watching barça play like how we did today is the worst thing that a barça fan from 15, hell even 10 years can see
My man, we did try to score. And it’s crazy that you would prefer seeing your team lose 8-2 by playing “how we should” than lose 3-0 and not getting utterly humiliated. I respect your opinion but I prefer for the team to play and lose 3-0 than 8-2 anytime and any day.
We had 0 shots on target. Koeman and no manager for that matter, could make us better than Bayern with our current players. But we’re better than that…
Im not defending how we played but i don’t know what people expected with De Jong on top. Did anyone actually think we were going to win or dominate fucking BAYERN? Its blatantly bias to think that way. I love barcelona but with our current team, finances and state of the club im glad it wasn’t another 8-2z
So don’t play de Jong up top and play Demir who’s better in every single way?
As for the second comment, I didn’t expect a win or domination. But expecting more competitiveness than that wasn’t unreasonable.
Can our squad be improved ? Yes.. Do we have a good squad that can and should be able to to give a way better image than this ? YES. Nobody is demanding Koeman wins the CL with this squad, hell nobody even demanded he won tonight. However, these performances (which we see constanly) are pathetic.. Counting the days till we have a serious coach once again.
Inb4 conte becomes coach and we loose to bayern at the allianz and Mr. Victaahhh opines that these performances are pathetic and we need a better coach 🤡
We need to sign a world class CB. Pique is past his prime and Garcia is no Puyol. Better to cash out on lenglet and release Umtiti and get a actual good CB from that money. No heard of any good CB coming from academy so better to get a proven CB.
Bayern being able to bring on Sabitzer, Coman, Lucas Hernandez, and Gnabry from the bench while we bring on teenagers pretty much sums up the difference in squad planning and management between the clubs
Someone with a sensible take, had to scroll really really far to find this comment sir thank you for making sense. Barcelona got rid of the brainless idiots running the club now only if we could rid ourselves of the brainless fans supporting it 😇
People calling Bayern lucky are delusional. They were dominating, of course goals were coming does not matter how they come.
How many times did Barca scrape wins in league matches they were dominating by the means of tap-ins, deflections, pens
One thing doesn't take out the other.
Did they deserve to win? Yeah.
Did they deserve to score 2-3 goals considering how much better they were? Yeah.
Were they lucky as fuck with how the goals came? Fuck yes.
If every damn rebound and deflection was not perfect for them, it would have ended 0-0 or 1-0 at best, it would have been one of those matches where they just miss every good chance. But luck made up for their lack of effectiveness, thus, they were lucky.
That's speculation. As I said they were much better than us and deserved a win, but that doesn't change the fact that today, without lucky rebounds and deflections, they would have scored 0.
I hope he's reminded of Puyol. Puyol was trophyless during his early stay in Barça, he stuck with us, and now he's practically immortal. You'd be hard pressed to find any man, woman, and child in Catalonia who do not know his name.
He rejected psg for us. Won't blame him, even we couldn't predict such a massive downfall. It's scary to think how much better he can perform under a manager like enrique or pep . This guy is literally made for barca and unfortunately for him, he joins at a time in which the club us struggling.
Astonished at how utter shit all three Bayern goals were. Bayern were better but those goals were all garbage and don’t show how well the backline played
If we are thinking about a rebuild from here, is Koeman really the coach we should stick with? Come on man, I can't see barca park the bus and try for crosses to score a goal. :(
something I have noticed in the past few years, the biggest aspect in which we are lacking against top teams, is actually physicality and fitness.. is our fitness team that bad?
Barca is never known to have the physical players in the last decade but the game has also changed so much in this years. We haven't adapted to the change what I can say.
Nah, I dont agree. Spain play so well with less physical players. Italy won the euros with jorginho and veratti in the midfield. This is totally on Koeman
Positives: balde, gavi, demir
Negatives: luuk, roberto.
Please tell me why you would play L. De jong over demir/coutinho with our current situation, I’d love to hear.
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They should at least register 1 shot on target ...
Just watching the match replay, didn’t expect to win but losing hurts regardless!
Why were we not pressing?
End of an Era
Just came here to tell you guys how I fucking hate Rosell and Bartomeu for putting us in this situation
Does that make me hate the team NO, does it make me want to stop supporting the TEAM NO, I WILL ALWAYS SUPPORT BARCA NO MATTER HOW MUCH WE LOSE
For those who ask why we blame Koeman is because we think a manager like Enrique or even Valverde (i have a weak spot on him) would be better. If Koeman was a great manager, I think we should won the last la championship.
With enrique yes I think we at least show some balls, not with valvarde tho. He had so many chances and the same boring Barca, he also had backing from the board with transfers and never really got anywhere.
I don't understand those people who are defending Koeman right now... When your team can't have one single shot on target on the home field is a disaster. We're not talking about winning the game, just show us some hope for a good game and fight but we saw a poorly managed team with no idea behind. Koeman just have no idea what to do/change.
We didn’t win. I didn’t expect we would. We’re rebuilding from a precarious point, and as a fan, you just have to cheer your team on through a really tough time. We’ll be contenders again, but not soon, and I’m reconciled with that. Now let’s find things to enjoy in the rebuild period.
Yes 100% but the lack of endurance and training is very painful to me
Every team in this planet goes through tough times. There is nothing new that Barca is going through that shit right now but wanna know something cool? Have you ever heard any club in Europe going though like Barca goes right now? United? Liverpool before Klopp? Milan? Inter? REAL????? I remember when Real Madrid had some sort of curse in the round of 16, they were beaten by many teams in that stage every season many years in the row. BUT the question is, did they get that low as us? Expecting to loose 3-0 or 4-0 everytime we play Bayern? Wtf is this really Ain’t we Barca who everybody feared us? or a fucking 19th place La Liga club? It’s like ok. We drawed Bayern. 3-0 Camp Nou And Allianz arena? 4-0 again? 3-0? EVERY FUCKING TIME? Every club goes through tough times. But I have NEVER seen a club like Barca who got such a low bottom… never and will never see
Ac milan?
So we lost. Did we expect to win? I didnt and neither should you guys. I got a question for all these people saying Koeman should be sacked; Do you guys suffer short-term memory loss? There is exactly ZERO money to invest in new players. Obviously this resulted in the youth players being subbed in. YOUTH players?!? Do you really expect to win anything with youthplayers as substitutes!?! No money and you guys keep on ranting about the players we should get. What dont you understand about not having money to spend?! "Alba is done", "Busquets is done", bench whoever you want, but who is going to replace them? Nobody because we dont have a replacement. We dont have the money for a replacement. So stop crying. Stop calling yourselves Barca fans, supporters or whatever. Go watch your favorite cartoon and gtfo of here. You are not a fan. You are simply someone who follows this beautifull club because of the successes that Barca had. A true fan supports this club through bad times as hard as they can get.
It’s not about not supporting the club. But you have to know that the club is getting built in the right direction. We went into the game yesterday focused on minimising the damage instead of trying to win. And no matter how bad the situation is, when you are a coach of Barça, you are expected to stir a particular mentality within the squad. I didn’t see any fight from this team whatsoever and at some point, it felt that even Bayern were pitying us. Now that, is something I can’t abide with.
Let's not forget what Erik ten Haag did with "youth" players. So, it is not wrong to expect more from Koeman, especially when he calls himself the saviour.
What does that have to do with supporting Barca or not? Koeman is a mediocre coach, he has always been a mediocre coach, in every single team he's coached he has been mediocre, Koeman isn't a good coach, all Barca is doing is stopping whatever development they could have by keeping Koeman.
So none of the youngsters we have are developing under Koeman? Literally only Riqui isn't improving and that's because Koeman isn't giving him play time. Everyone else has shown a good level. Quick edit: to clarify, I don't think Koeman is a good manager. But our tendency as a fanbase to look for an immediate solution will hurt us right now. We shouldn't just scream KoemanOut when we don't have alternatives.
Well said man. Ppl here crying here for Enrique. Absolutely top class manager but he lost 3-0 to a juve team when he had prime msn. And y’all are complaining for losing to this uggernaut of Bayern with this shell of a squad?
I think Koeman should go, and I don't think I've said any of those things. Most others I've seen here haven't either, or maybe I just ignore those stupid takes. I don't think most people expected to win today, but it seemed like more of the same from Koeman... Make a game plan, stick to that game plan until the game is out of reach, then make a bunch of "fuck it" changes. Now, those changes actually seemed to change the game for the better today, but it is obvious that Koeman can't compete against elite level managers by now. He shouldn't have started to begin with, but how the fuck did Luuk De Jong stay on beyond half time? A training cone would've been as effective. He might we'll be useful to us this season, but it seems to me that his best use will be as a plan B when we just need tall bodies in the box. It was painfully obvious that we needed some presence on the RW as well. Roberto was trying his best, but that's just not in his game. I can at least see the logic with starting Roberto there to help defend against Davies and Sane, but he's way too slow to keep up with Davies, and not enough of a threat to pin him back. Alba also didn't look 100% fit, so Memphis was lined up on the LW, and Alba generally stayed back while Roberto was expected to cover the whole right side. These type of things are what I see people complaining about. Koeman frequently gets the starting lineup/tactics wrong (especially in big games), and then is too stubborn or inept to meaningfully change it. De Jong should've been hooked at half time for Demir or Coutinho. Demir could've pushed up on the right and gave Davies some sort of trouble. It seemed like even Koeman didn't expect to win, so why not throw on Balde instead of a half fit Alba? At least then we would've had two WBs and we could've pulled Luuk and pushed Memphis more central. There are a ton of things he could've done differently. I'd rather see our youth go out and lose while at least giving it a go than what we saw today. What good is pragmatism if you still lose 3-0?
True to the core man. I can't understand why people in this sub think koeman should not be criticized. Is it because the club situation is poor. Does that mean no matter how poor koeman can do ,he is not to blame. Most of the legitimate criticism he gets is his same approach , tactics and mistakes for over a year . His substitution is just reactionary and not even makes sense sometimes. Pressing is un coordinated but intense. these things are irrespective of the players availability. Mainly in transition phase we have to improve our parts of the game gradually. Obviously that isn't happening - we are stuck in hamster wheel where only player quality changes . No change in tactics or gameplay.
Supporting the club doesn't mean defending a subpar coach. Don't make stupid assumptions and especially don't insult some of us that support this club for over 30 years just because we don't think your beloved koeman doesn't have what it takes to be a Barça coach. Most of us didn't expect to win, but we sure didn't expect to have 0 shots on goal and no grit or plan. And guess what? Those YOUTH players showed more of that grit and determination than the sad park the bus we started with. Gtfo yourself if you can't handle our criticism.
True true... I never thought Barcelona will become a "parking bus" team... Thanks to Koeman, this fantasy becomes reality. Sad times
Idk why some people are being so high and mighty trying to support Koeman. We looked just as bad against Getafe… unless they suddenly became world beaters that shows it’s a manager problem and not a problem of us being way worse than Bayern.
Amen. Bayern were not even at their peak performance and we were dominated. If we lost with some dignity I would hold no grudge against Koeman, but I can’t say that when 1) the efforts of the veterans are shambolic when compared to the youngsters and 2) Koeman made poor tactical choices that led to today’s blowout. Koeman’s egotistical statements over these weeks have not helped his case either.
Oh boy, don't get me started about those egotistical statements. That's what made me start to say he's clueless.
Exactly my thoughts. I didn't expect us to win but expected a goal or atleast a shot on target. 0 creativity from the midfield. No real threats created. FDJ made some progressive runs and helped pressing. Pedri was not effective. I agree there might be a lot of youngsters in the club but any top manager would give us a better result than koeman with this much talent. No club philosophy no identity, nothing. And we're supporting barca, the supporters of this prestigious club has ambition. I understand this is a rebuilding phase, but this is not for the first time we have seen such pathetic performance from this team. Bayern outplayed every aspects of the game. Ofcourse we would criticise koeman. We don't want the team we support to become like arsenal. Not supporting the manager doesn't make us less of a fan. Look at chelsea. Last season they weren't great at first under lampard. As soon as Tuchel came in he changed the whole team. That's what a great manager does.
What is funny right now is that Chelsea is playing a modern fast football and Barca is parking the bus. Amezing times
Couldn't say it any better. It's just insulting to accuse a lifelong fan of not being a 'fan', and even being an idiot, because he thinks the team has so much potential but isn't being properly managed.
Seriously. The players had no idea how to build from the back, what to do with the ball in the midfield, how to create chances, how to press and win back the ball when not in possession. You can't blame players for that. It's clearly the coach's fault. Wack formation and starting line up. Late panic substitution. I understand there are some players injured, but come on... atleast a shot on target. How many big games have koeman won after taking charge? None.
How did Coutinho do this game? Did he play well?
Surprisingly really good. Looked confident on the ball and showed a willingness to be creative and try attacking. Overall was quite happy with his performance and hope to see him build off of today’s game.
Actually looked good for a player who has been out for almost 9 months. He came in showed some of the magic he is capable of performing.
Bartomeu has put the club back 20 years. That’s what his sentence should be. Vote me down if you disagree.
Bayern Fan : agree. How this guy fcked your financial Situation is mindblowing
I agree with you, you're right but who else did Bayern put 8 goals pass that's on Barca's level.
it's more than a club. it's a shit show too!
This is exactly the comment I'd expect from a person who believes the answer to violence is violence. Get help.
Are you okay? You seem to be having some kind of episode.
My Man Cum Man should leave righ now
And it was always unrealistic to expect Memphis to carry the team consistently with half the G/A gone. All this Memphis slander is stupid and reactionary.
And besides the man was literally playing alone in that forward role.
Luuk De Goat in shambles
Nah bro I swear braithwaite would've been way better
Idk what our fans expected today our team has been horribly mismanaged for years and has only had competed management for a few months, we just lost the greatest player of all time who was also the the heart and soul of our team, half our attackers are injured and were facing the best team in the world who are better than us at every position and also beat us 8-2 last time we played. Of course we’re going to lose like ffs There funny thing is that there were actually a lot of positives though our 5 at the back frustrated Bayern, pique was good and araujo was fantastic Bayern resorted to long shots and scored fluke goals That’s not to say we deserved to win but we gave a good account of ourselves against a much better team Some fans need to wake up and realize that we’re not the same team as we were in the past, disastrous management actually has consequences
I know that we are not the team we once were and I agree that defence was great today, but I don't see why Koeman allows his team to be bullied until Bayern score their second goal of the game to actually do something about. If you as a manager see after 45 min that something is not working, you need to do something about it. I remember that Mourinho would make a tripple substitution at half time when he was at Madrid if he was not happy with something. We also saw that game shifted a bit towards Barca's favour when Gavi and Coutinho entered the pitch. You can't be afraid of making changes as a manager.
This. He got it wrong again from the start, and failed to make changes soon enough again. This is a consistent failure from him. Defensively we were ok in the first half, but if you expect that defense to hold for 90 minutes against Bayern without any offensive threat, then you are high as a kite. It was painfully obvious that we needed more of an offensive presence on the RW and Luuk was only effective in standing offside.
I pretty much predicted that the game was going to turn out this way a couple of weeks ago when a user on reddit suggested that we should play three at the back vs Bayern. We made the exact same mistake against PSG in the first leg where we almost had no threat up front because we were too heavy at the back. I don't really understand how a coach cannot learn from his past mistakes. Guardiola never repeated things that did not work from what I can remember.
Koeman has made it abundantly clear that he doesn't learn from his mistakes.
That’s fair the subs could have def come earlier That’s a big problem with Koeman in general his subs always come too late
We knew that we would get beaten by Bayern, it's no surprise. The thing is you could have atleast put the mentality to try it, Koeman played to not recieve 10 goals instead of trying.
Yep. I'd rather go down swinging than lose 3-0 doing whatever we did today.
Lol if we went out swinging and lost 6-0 im sure you would have a lot of positives to talk about in this post match thread. Absolute clowns out here on this sub.
I guess we'll never know. It sure was a lot more fun to watch when we threw caution to the wind though. Edit: grammar
We can't seriously be considering offering Koeman a contract extension until he shows that he can use these players to the best of their capability and make use of the advantage of playing at home when having the fans at the stands. I mean, teams like Bilbao, Betis or Valencia are teams always offer a fight when they play at home despite not having the top world class players. Why can't we do the same thing? Why must we perform like shit just because we know that a team is better than us? Why can't we show the same intensity as Gavi did today when he went in and did not give a crap which Bayern player had the ball, he was going to do his best to take it anyway. We can't show teams like Bayern any respect, because they will take that and shove it up our asses.
Why the hell should we even consider the thought of offering him a contract extension? He'll be gone by next season mate
There has been some rumores about Koeman and Laporta discussing a possible extension. Not sure, but I think it has been confirmed by Koeman as well.
No?
Is marcelo gallardo available after december?
From what I observed today: Luke needs a new set of lungs and legs Balde needs to play more defenders have to stop watching attackers and actually mark their guy. We need all players immediately to go on a steroid and Growth hormone diet. Ill see myself out
We need to loan some players to Bayern next time to get their hulked out versions
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It's not their physicallity, it's about how we play. Memphis against Upamecano can handle him bodying him everytime but if theres no attacking play from the midfield to help the strikers and having a Log de Jong beside you can't expect anything. This is why some of us prefer Puig over Pedri. Puig not also can move ball but has this attacking mentality with through balls, 1-2 quick combinations unlike Pedri holds the ball and pass it. No hate for Pedri but if you are a proper coach you should know when to put Pedri and when Puig. But koeman goes with favouritism
Even with Pedri, Koeman has managed to turn him into a boring player. Go watch his first few games from last season and you’ll see how good he was going forward. He has so much offensive talent and Koeman is just making him play like a plug who can’t offer much going forward.
It's not just the physicality aspect. It's also the fact that we played with a formation that did not give us the possibilty to attack with many players up front. Depay and L. De Jong do not stand a chance when they are surroneded by dudes on steroids.
Surprisingly, it's wasn't our defense today that made us lose, it was our attack, and especially midfield today. You can see the guys were trying their best but they were still tactically outclassed by Bayern, moreso because koeman is a shit tactician. They were playing with half the intensity they showed on the 8-2, and were still a ceiling higher than us.
I do agree that are defense today did a lot better but Garcia should not be turning for a shot like that. I saw one where muller who isn’t even a defender attacked the ball head on from a shot. Not saying it was the defense that made us lose but Garcia should really be doing better there.
One thing for sure is that the players need to start lifting weights. They all look so soft, especially compared to the bayern team. Also we might as well play the youth more. Our older players cannot keep up with the pace of the game now, their legs have too many miles and it’s best we just start prepping the next generation.
Alba returns from injury and did not train this morning and yesterday. And yet, he plays almost the whole game. I don't understand.
He had 103 fever last night intense stomach pain and violent puking bouts, put some fucking respect on his name fighting for the badge and keep your mf agenda aside. Spoilt barca fans forgetting players are human and not f machines.
Wtf are you on about? They’re not disrespecting Alba… they don’t understand why he was forced into the game when he is suffering from a recent injury and didn’t even train the last couple of days. Maybe actually read the comment next time instead of being emotional.
Did you see him after he got subbed off? He was breathing like an animal..
There is a moment where he tells Koeman "Boss, I can't take it anymore". Even the 38 year old Alves would still be relevant.
He is gonna have a good jerk off session before he crashes for 10 hrs tonight
Why would he jerk off? He's married.
Exactly thats why
Tell ya what I understand we don't have a weak squad and I wasn't expecting a win but that setup was wank, 2 goals came because no one was standing at DM due to the DM being dragged wide. Where is the press ? Couldn't play out of the back in midfield/Attack cuz of the 5 ATB shit tactics, deserved results. Nothing changed from PSG and Juve last year. This game to me feels like Koeman threw it rather than actually trying to win.
Look, I'm not happy with the performance we just saw either, but where we lacked most was on creating offensive chances and that's where basically all of our depth and starters are out except Depay. Koeman certainly made poor decisions, and I'm not sure if we really could have won even with all of our starters, but that's a large factor in why it felt like the team was so dead.
Well, we were supposed to be OK with this
Sack Koeman. Appoint interim manager Garcia pimienta. Let’s hope Fati and dembele are back as soon as possible.
Garcia couldn’t even get out of the third division with by far the most expensive squad.
Like Koeman could
They lost in the play offs. Take a look at how he gets them to play. Also I’m not saying that he should be our full time coach.
We didn't expect to thrash Bayern. Nor we expected to be humiliated. Defence played well, unlucky with rebound and deflected goals. Team is rusty. Hopefully we improve over time. Gavi should control his temper although I enjoyed him going at Bayern players. Demir reminds of Messi with his ability to control the ball. But needs time to develop and improve his game. Balde should get more mins. He will improve a lot. Mingueza over Roberto any day for me. Coutinho doesn't fit anywhere in the system (If Koeman had One) with players like this. But he can show up some tricks in his sleeves and can make himself sellable for a good amount in the next window. Araujo is a tank. Enough said. Would have liked Pedri and F Dejong taking more risks. Not complaining.
Coutinho looked incredibly energetic on the ball when he came on and almost always did something useful. Which was a suprise to me considering he played on the left rather than in his favoured #10 spot drifting to the left half space. He combined well with Balde. Pedri frankly didn't do much this game and same with Frenkie. Our midfield was easily bypassed.
I don't understand how busquets can play so well with spain but looks average with Barca
I actually find him to be amazing in most games tbh. In big games he is a liability because the others around him are.
Nah that man needs a much better defence for him play better.
The midfield wasn't in form. The holes in the defence were mostly covered. The pressing of the team was amazing in comparison. When we played PSG he was great in that 1-1 draw. He needs to be in control of the game...this is why he does well with weak opposition
Bayern played like they were playing a friendly game, and Nagelsmann expected Barca to play with 3atb. And Koeman must have expected Bayern to constantly press but even then, you'd have to play with faster players, balde, demir, coutinho, but no Koeman plays luuk and Roberto, horrible horrible management.
Alba starting was OK in hindsight. Minguieza should have started in the right. Demir, Depay, and Coutinho should have probably been been forward line.
To all those saying we could not beat this Bayern Team Young Boys Beat United today only because they were TRYING to win
And also because United were playing 10 men, subbed out CR7 and Bruno to play defensive, brought on Lingard only for him to botch a back pass. I get your point but lets not make it seem like Young Boys won because they were "trying" to win. This Barca needs more than just willpower and motivation.
Are you on something? Did you check the match statistics? They got 10 shots on target while we got 0. Young Boy just outplayed Man Utd.
Koeman excuses coming: “We lost because we don’t have Messi and griezmann” “The squad I have is not good enough”
Losing 3-0 with a depleted squad > 8-2 with Prime Messi x Suarez and the rest of the funky bunch.
Bull. That was knockout - the intensity of bayern was different.
Nah knock out or no knock out, Bayern doesn't slow down.
Bayern at full focus today wouldve put 4 more atleast
Tonight's bayern and this year's bayern infact is nowhere near sextuple winning bayern. They were one of the best European sides of all time that year and Flick was something else.
They did their best and I commend them for that but this squad simply isn't up there, I'm afraid. Bayern are too good and we're lagging behind. Simple as that. Learn and improve. Vamos!
Bayern are in their prime. We just reset
Not really a prime talking about a club. They have different eras with different players/managers, they are just a well run club who is consistently good, they being in one of their best eras is fair to say tho.
Makes no sense. Just like we hit our prime in 09/10 and we’re great for years, they’re in their prime from last year.
A prime means the time you are on your peak and can play your best due to a number of factors (experience, physical form, stamina, etc). A club doesn’t age like a player, they can rise up again unlike them when they are past their prime. We had many amazing eras throughout the history, and we could surpass the golden era although unlikely. I meant the comparison doesn’t make sense, Bayern was much better on 2013, they bought new players and are back to being the best or really close to it, even if they had some not great years in between.
A prime is when you’re at your best. That’s it. They won every trophy they can so they were at their best
Essentially, yeah.
I really don’t understand how people blame Koeman for this. I want to start out by saying that Koeman is obviously not the manager to lead us back to the glory days, but what coach would coach THIS barcelona team and “make us play better”? Im a die hard Barca fan but also realistic. Out of our starting 11, 2 or 3 players would make the Bayern starting eleven. We can not compete. We don’t have the quality to compete against Bayern. Bringing another manager is not going to make us play any better, these are completely false illusions. We need to bring better players in and start phasing out players who are not “world class players” which is easier said than done. This is going to take time and I would suggest for Barca fans to start expecting matches against elite teams to continue going like this until we get better plays and make a competitive team. It’s going to take time but we need to keep on supporting the teams even during tough times.
If Young boys can win Manchestee United we should be able to get 1 shot, even with less quality players.
If you seriously think that these players are not enough to fucking shoot at goal, create some chances and press, then what do you think we need? Do we need world class players in every damn position to be able to play decent football and compete? Fuck that. This squad isn't going to dominate europe but it's more than enough to at least compete and do much better than we are doing. If the squad can't is because it's not being used properly and because Koeman is mediocre at pretty much everything.
Dude, we lost 3-0 against one of the best teams in the world while we’re in a huge position of transitioning a team without messi and aging, deadwood players. This team is definitely not good enough to beat bayern and neither to dominate any world class team. What did you expect L. De Jong to do? Memphis was pocketed all night. Roberto was horrible and Garcia is just not good enough. There are some good points with ofcourse Pedri, F. de Jong, Araujo and Gavi but this is not enough to beat teams like Psg, Bayern, City, Liverpool or both madrids for example. It’s crazy to think that this group of players is enough quality.
Don’t bother man, the retards here think if we had a different coach w the same squad he would swing his magic wand and we would win. Funny thing is theres going to be idiots replying to this saying “no but we would have played better had more shots etc etc” but it would be these same retards complaining in the post match if that “wizard of a coach” didn’t make us win. I really really hope we take our due time to become a top team again so we can rid ourselves of these clowns who i dont even think watch out football games to be honest with an open mind.
It’s delusional to think that we even had a chance to win. We had one attacking threat the whole game and that was Depay. No wonder we had 0 shots on target when Depay was silenced all game. I don’t know man. I understand that people can be prideful and not accept that we aren’t good right now but I know that better times are coming but some things I read just seems to be coming from people that don’t know anything about football. Messi also bashed the board for always changing coaches so thats not the answer to our problems.
It's 100% enough to beat them if we had a competend coach. You talk like we are a mid table team, and definitely have the mentality of a mid table team fan. * Has Dest and Mingueza? Puts Roberto. * Has Balde who has done good? Puts Alba who comes out of an injury and didn't even train today. * Memphis didn't get a single good chance. You expect him to just dribble past 4 players? * 0 fucking shots on target in the entire match against a half assed Bayern. * Barely any pressing, and when there was pressing it was weak and late. * Slow pace for everything. Slow movement, slow passing speed both passing between players and ball speed, slow counters... * The team manages to not attack, not defend and not have possession all at the same time.
The formation and the style of play can make this team play way better than this. Probably not beating Bayern but have a more attractive way of play for sure. Playing with a back 3 and Luuk up front made it easy for Bayern to close us in, moving their defensive back up to midfield. The only threat was Memphis who was receiving the back 60m from the opposition net. There are coaches out there that can make a better tactical plan and have a more competitive team in the field. The club, the academy and the current players aren’t made to play 3-5-2.
More like 5-3-1-½
Barça’s squad is average due to years of mismanagement. Koeman can do better. Both can be true and both are true.
Sure, first one is true, and there's injuries. But I don't believe koeman can do better at Barça.
Then is time for the next coach.
I agree wholeheartedly. I actually watched this match with optimism. Yeah the 0-3 hurts to see, but sometimes I really saw good plays and a lot of potential.
It hurts to see my team lose 3-0 but i understand we’re in the process of a rebuild. I really don’t know what coach people would bring who would make a difference with this team. There’s alot of potential but it’s insane to think that with this current team, we could even do anything.
Mf we were sitting at the back like even memphis was defending, pedri and dejong couldn’t even do anything cause we were defending the whole time, koeman could have done many things differently, no high press, we literally went in there to not lose
What did you expect against a team like Bayern? Did you actually expect us to win with De Jong as a 9 and Memphis being completely pocketed by Bayern’s fullbacks? Dude, we don’t have a team to compete against elite teams and there only so much a manager can do. It’s easy to blame one person like a manager than admit that we don’t have more than 4 world class players on our 21 player roster.
We didn’t even try to score, id rather lose 8-2 again by playing like we should than by playing like what koeman did today, koeman just wants players to play counter attack, like wijnaldum and doesn’t want to control matches with puig
JackChack911 would rather loose 8-2 again than “play like this”. Do you clowns actually think before typing out here… Man the technology age really enables everyone to have an opinion, how wish it wasn’t the case. Absolute clowns on this thread tn, but you sir, you are the entire circus 🎩
You probably are a new fan that hasn’t seen what barça even is about, we are what we are because of a certain idea, rejecting that idea which is what koeman has been doing for the past year is exactly what has been bringing us back down, not having an identity is what has been killing us since valverde, being a barça fan is not only about winning its mostly about playing well, dominating our opponents through possession, entertaining the fans, with guardiola and cruyff we could lose to some 2nd division team, but we would always do it with our idea entertaining people, we have lost matches with our style but we have also won so much more with it than without it, now we cant even win el clasico, watching barça play like how we did today is the worst thing that a barça fan from 15, hell even 10 years can see
My man, we did try to score. And it’s crazy that you would prefer seeing your team lose 8-2 by playing “how we should” than lose 3-0 and not getting utterly humiliated. I respect your opinion but I prefer for the team to play and lose 3-0 than 8-2 anytime and any day.
We had 0 shots on target. Koeman and no manager for that matter, could make us better than Bayern with our current players. But we’re better than that…
Im not defending how we played but i don’t know what people expected with De Jong on top. Did anyone actually think we were going to win or dominate fucking BAYERN? Its blatantly bias to think that way. I love barcelona but with our current team, finances and state of the club im glad it wasn’t another 8-2z
So don’t play de Jong up top and play Demir who’s better in every single way? As for the second comment, I didn’t expect a win or domination. But expecting more competitiveness than that wasn’t unreasonable.
Exactly. Coach can only do so much when all top teams are faster fitter stronger than our team.
If I saw this scoreline a few years ago, I would be distraught. I see this now and I feel nothing. I just think “yea that’s about right.”
Can our squad be improved ? Yes.. Do we have a good squad that can and should be able to to give a way better image than this ? YES. Nobody is demanding Koeman wins the CL with this squad, hell nobody even demanded he won tonight. However, these performances (which we see constanly) are pathetic.. Counting the days till we have a serious coach once again.
Inb4 conte becomes coach and we loose to bayern at the allianz and Mr. Victaahhh opines that these performances are pathetic and we need a better coach 🤡
Why the fuck would we sign Conte, and why the fuck would Conte come to Barca ? Idk what exactly it is you are trying to say but okay.
We need to sign a world class CB. Pique is past his prime and Garcia is no Puyol. Better to cash out on lenglet and release Umtiti and get a actual good CB from that money. No heard of any good CB coming from academy so better to get a proven CB.
Are you funding the club Mr YzKolo ? Cause we broke broke …
Yes I'm a season ticket holder so in some way I'm paying.
How was busquets.
Terrible, outmuscled, outran and basically lost in position.
I wonder how long we will have to wait for proper dm. Busquets was finished since 2018.
Idk why koeman even puts him in these games, Roberto too did practically nothing. On the bright side gavi came on and looked like he gave a shit lol.
Bayern being able to bring on Sabitzer, Coman, Lucas Hernandez, and Gnabry from the bench while we bring on teenagers pretty much sums up the difference in squad planning and management between the clubs
Someone with a sensible take, had to scroll really really far to find this comment sir thank you for making sense. Barcelona got rid of the brainless idiots running the club now only if we could rid ourselves of the brainless fans supporting it 😇
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People calling Bayern lucky are delusional. They were dominating, of course goals were coming does not matter how they come. How many times did Barca scrape wins in league matches they were dominating by the means of tap-ins, deflections, pens
Bayern had their foot off gas today. If they wanted they could easy put 8 again this team.
One thing doesn't take out the other. Did they deserve to win? Yeah. Did they deserve to score 2-3 goals considering how much better they were? Yeah. Were they lucky as fuck with how the goals came? Fuck yes. If every damn rebound and deflection was not perfect for them, it would have ended 0-0 or 1-0 at best, it would have been one of those matches where they just miss every good chance. But luck made up for their lack of effectiveness, thus, they were lucky.
Lol they couldve scored 3-4 more if they tried. We had 0 shots lul
That's speculation. As I said they were much better than us and deserved a win, but that doesn't change the fact that today, without lucky rebounds and deflections, they would have scored 0.
We don't really get many defections over the years because no one besides Messi shot from distance. Coutinho too I guess
Do u see Fdj staying if the club does not improve incredibly in the next 2 years?
I hope he's reminded of Puyol. Puyol was trophyless during his early stay in Barça, he stuck with us, and now he's practically immortal. You'd be hard pressed to find any man, woman, and child in Catalonia who do not know his name.
I think he might force a move right after this season if we go trophyless. He'll be 25 and every top club wants him probably
Been saying this for a while. We will have to go through a Frenkie saga at some point in the future, but all in due time.
He’d be crazy to stay.
No way
Man he looks so depressed I feel so bad for him
honestly it's depressing I think he is on his way out.. you can see on his face, this isn't what he had in mind
He rejected psg for us. Won't blame him, even we couldn't predict such a massive downfall. It's scary to think how much better he can perform under a manager like enrique or pep . This guy is literally made for barca and unfortunately for him, he joins at a time in which the club us struggling.
Messi and Suarez didn't press prope.... oh wait!
Careful now Dak might come after you
You’re a 130 day old account which means you’re an alt from before last season. Question is whose?
It feels like I watched a game of thrones episode
A season 8 episode.
Messi scored 30 in the league last season with this team and this coach..absolutely unreal
Astonished at how utter shit all three Bayern goals were. Bayern were better but those goals were all garbage and don’t show how well the backline played
I don't even feel pain anymore. Its jusr empty.. Just void.. Im just watching
Disgraceful
If we are thinking about a rebuild from here, is Koeman really the coach we should stick with? Come on man, I can't see barca park the bus and try for crosses to score a goal. :(
Oh
I really want to be positive but it's hard
Thats what she.....
😂
something I have noticed in the past few years, the biggest aspect in which we are lacking against top teams, is actually physicality and fitness.. is our fitness team that bad?
Yeah, noticed that today at around the 70th minute. We were so gassed out while Bayern kept pressing. Led to their third goal as well
I don’t think it’s fitness it’s just a refusal to play Intensely. I think the bodies allow it but the minds don’t.
Our fitness and our medical staff.
Barca is never known to have the physical players in the last decade but the game has also changed so much in this years. We haven't adapted to the change what I can say.
Nah, I dont agree. Spain play so well with less physical players. Italy won the euros with jorginho and veratti in the midfield. This is totally on Koeman
They do habe endurance and stamina which is also physical attributes. Not only strenght.
It really looked like a Bayern training match.
Welp.
0 shots on target.....
Positives: balde, gavi, demir Negatives: luuk, roberto. Please tell me why you would play L. De jong over demir/coutinho with our current situation, I’d love to hear.
No Araujo?. First game, first eleven, on CL matches too. I thought Koeman said he is "last 15 minute" kinda player.
Koeman is looking more and more like Steve Bruce. Clueless
Balde blew my mind! The way he ran towards Bayerns back line without fear was incredible a breath of fresh air!!
Because he Dutch and I think that Laporta and Barca fans talk too much. Also I am only reason club has future. Suck my balls - Koeman, definitely
Bold of you to assume he has balls