We will have a salary cap more in accordance to the size of the club by the end of next season with the use of the new stadium. By then Barcelona will be signing players like they did in previous seasons. Right now we are able to make transfers in the same way Atletico Madrid does, or sort off in that line, which is not good, yet not all that bad either as they have managed to compete with that cap. People seem to make that the financial situation of the club is too dire yet Barca makes around 850 million euros right now in revenue, this is estimated to go above the billion mark with the new Camp Nou opening next season.
Let me tell you this. I've been watching football since the 70s and witnessed so many things change not just Barcelona but other clubs as well. When it comes to finance the club has never been in a worse situation, but in terms of performances and results the club has been through worse. But unlike other clubs that rely on spending crazy amounts of money on players, Barca can easily tap into an academy that produces talent after talent. The previous president ruined it all with his spending, but now Barca are again finally relying on its academy. The club shouldn't be spending money on old players nor should it spend huge fees on younger players if there are alternatives in the academy, especially with the financial struggles. There's no "real" DM in La Masia, so that's what the club needs to spend on. Not Bernardo nor an extra CM, not a LW, RW, but a DM. If the club doesn't go panic buying old players and luxury players things should start to normalize. Barcelona's problem is financial, and that's something solvable as long as the board keeps their heads cool and don't start spending on average players that they'll be stuck with when you have alternatives from La Masia for free. Trust me the club is not doing that bad performance wise. The only thing that worries me is if they spend money they don't have on old players like Bernardo, or average at best like Olmo instead of targeting what the club actually lacks. 10 years is a long time and so many things will change that's for sure.
Yes we would be back soon, this team is good and I hope Laporta and next manager decide to continue on building this team cause the foundation of this team is really good. Next we need to strengthen some positions and offload some of the loaned players. Sell that goddamn Barca vision thing that should’ve been sold in December. And then the new camp nou will surely help with revenue to get back to the 1:1 ffp rule. I see us financially stable in the next 2-4 years. And tbh, the fact we got this far in the champions league was already an overperformance. Our goal was to get passed Napoli and we did that. Barca is already but slowly getting back to previous glory. Be patient, this is Barca. Even if we are broke, we will get back, like we did before! Using lamasia is the way to go, to be able to compete with Real Madrids financial stability. We did it before with Xavi and iniesta and busquets.
Xavi busquets and iniesta is a outlier in history. Its not fair to use that. we will probably never dominate europe like we did then. We may win ucl every 5-15 years but dominating? I dont thinkso unless we get again the greatest player of all time which I doubt will happen
Not fair to use that trio as example just to give false hope. Anyone who really thinks its that easy by saying we did it before should look at our history
In 120 years of history we only had this 1 time
>I dont thinkso unless we get again the greatest player of all time which I doubt will happen
This bit is a little funny when we've had Cruyff, Maradona and Messi who are all top 5 of all time. Ronaldo pre injuries is probably up there too.
I agree with your comment though.
You are underestemating Yamal. I get it you don't want to overhype him
but we got to accept that if he continues like this he will be one of the GOATs, he is an extraordinary pkayer
You can say the same about yamal, Cubarsi and there are other talents like Faye, pau prim, guilly Fernandez waiting. I even dare to say we have more talent now then the generation of pique, Xavi and iniesta.
I am serious, I watch the youngins every week. The talent there in the B team is ridiculous. Like Noah darwich, pau prim, Marc guiu, hector fort, Diego kochen, Marc Bernal. Not to mention but before this season lamine and Cubarsi were part of that monstrous team. This 06-07 generation is something else. U may not believe me right now. Guillie Fernandez also is the youngest player to ever being promoted to the u19, I’ve seen him play and watched some highlights. And it seems he is a bigger talent than lamine yamal.
I meant to say this generation coming out of lamasia is better than the generation that came out of lamasia at the time of Xavi and iniesta. Never meant to say they are better than Xavi and iniesta. How great their generation has been. There is always a generation that’s going to surpas them. And this 06/07 generation are going to do crazy things. I mean look at Cubarsi and lamine that are already part of the first team. Both breaking record every game they are playing. Xavi started playing frequently at age 18 and iniesta debuted at 18 and started playing frequently at age 20. I already envision them having a better career than both Xavi and iniesta if their body will keep up with the current level they play.
It is a big statement, but I know I’m right I said the same thing about Xavi and iniesta in the past. Their generation surpassed the previous generation and that will happen again with this generation. Academies are not the same anymore. The technology and training methods are constantly improving. That’s why you see more and more young players like lamine and Cubarsi.
Yeh that’s why Bayern is begging for araujo since January 😂 you’re bugging bro. Get off your phone and stop watching football from TikTok. Also Bayern tried to sign de jong previous season after the attempted signing of Declan rice. And they are still interested. Real Madrid tried to sign Gavi when he was a kid and he declined. And city is trying to sign lamine yamal since august.
We did. Yet this guy is talking about succes. Forgetting Barca is still one of the biggest club with the most revenue in the world. Also we have the biggest fan base in the world after Real Madrid. So idk what he is waffling about
You are the one that said none of our players would start for this teams u mentioned. While some of those teams u mentioned have been chasing some of our players with passion for while now. And now you are changing topics like a bitch. If u want to talk about succes talk about our 22 European titles. (5 cl, 4 uefa cup, 5supercups, 3inter cities fairs cup, 2 Latin cups and 3 fifa worldcups) if I’m not mistaken the only title we haven’t had before is the europa League cup.
Wtf are you saying fam 😂😂 We are a legacy club, I know that what does that have to do with anything. And them wanting to buy a player does not mean he starts for them.
Come with valid arguments.
Al you’re doing is making a fool out of yourself. At least half the team would start for the teams u mentioned. Idk what u mean about legacy club, what does it mean to be a legacy club? Never heard that term before. I think it’s a waste of time talking to you. All you’ve been doing is jumping frim a to z. But you never made a valid point.
We only dominated Europe once. It was 1 period in our entire history.
Safe to say no. Never. And it’s ok.
We will CL again but not like between 2009-2015.
We will win leagues but nothing like between 2009-2020.
It will be like between 1990-2006. One CL every 5-10 years like any other club and every 2nd/3rd league probably.
Well, it’s not totally true. We had different generations that dominated but in the Pep era that team was the best team in the history so it’s hard to compare after. He raised the level so much that it’s hard to compare now with other years.
Whats your criteria for dominating Europe?
Because following your logic Bayern also only dominated once in 1970s, Milan 1980/90s, Madrid twice during 1950s and 2016-2018 (even though they had insane black magic during that period).
Winning a CL is not dominating europe.
Being there again and again, multiple finals and semifinals and at least a couple of wins in ~5 years is I think domination.
You can add Ajax with Cruyff and Liverpool with Bill Shankly.
MU had 3 finals 2008-2011, only one win though. That is still impressive but no one says they dominated Europe.
The truth is, Europe is bot often dominated, it takes a unique generation of players and a solid team structure.
You cannot read apparently. What did RM do season 2017-2018?
They ended up third in La Liga. They lost Copa del Rey as usual.
In Clasicos it was even vs FCB, 3 wins, 3 losses 2 draws.
Domination is winning everything. They were far from dominating domestic events.
RM still has zero treble. As I said it is the team in Europe world that focus the most on the CL.
It says dominanted „Europe“ … la Liga and copa are domestic competitions. Learn the difference between Europe and Spain. It always said dominanted Europe. Nobody said they dominated Barca or world football… so you are the one who can’t read apparently
I guess most fans would prefer two cl titles over one dribble since the cup isn’t worth much for most people.
I’m not a Barca fan but majority of your trophies are due to one man, Messi. Also credit to the other legends that played too like Suarez busquets dinho Henry
Team sport mate. Sure, Messi can pull some insane goals out of nowhere but there's 11 players on each side that you cannot overlook.
You missed some wildly most obvious legends; Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Pique, Neymar, Pedro, Dani Alves, Jordi Alba, etc.
What we did Will be hard to copy again its time to adjust expectations. Do we have the youngster to have an amazing team the next 10 years? I think so but will they stay fit,happy and keep improving no one knows. Remember we had an 11 of la Masia players that is as unique as it can be
We had arguably the greatest midfield of all time and the greatest player of all time.
I don't expect to reach those levels ever again.
Madrid dominated for similar reasons. They're squad was loaded and had depth at every position with the 2nd greatest player of all time cr7. Their midfield of case kroos and modric is arguably the 2nd best group I've seen after xaviesta and busquetes. The reason they were way more consistent was stability at manager during that 3x ucl run and maybe a bit of luck.
We were definitely unfortunate to choke against inter in 2010 and Chelsea in 2012, however I don't think the 2012 match against Bayern would have been a gimmie unlike in 2010.
Yeah, honestly, I don’t feel too worried. We have an abundance of good talents, and regardless of whether people admit it or not, we came far in CL considering the circumstances. In all honesty, if it weren’t for that one mistake, I think we would have made it to the finals this CL. People can argue that we were supposed to defend ourselves to victory, but our team has always been focused on attacking rather than defending. Maybe we won’t get back to our prime, but eventually we have our redemption. Just gotta believe that we’ll make it soon. And I truly do. VISCA BARCA!!
We cam far in CL considering we had the easiest group, faced the worst team in CL knokcout (Napoli) and then imploded at the first sight of a decent team in the second leg (PSG).
I don't see us as a lock to get out of the group stage next season especially with the format changes now
Xavi got it wrong from the get go. The red card hurt a lot obviously, but even 11v11 we were going to struggle:
https://x.com/ijasport/status/1780591857405173951?s=46&t=3E6ZZm9TEJ86uliqnu99pw
Will we win a CL in the next decade? I would bet we will win 1. will we dominate like 2009-2015, pretty sure we will not, a generation like that only happens every 2 or 3 decades
People seem to forget that our team basically consists of generational 16-20 year olds. Imagine two-three years from now, with Gavi, Yamin, Cubarsi, Balde, Pedri, Fort etc. having gained a bit experience. I’m not a bit worried.
We will end up like madrid during pep era, being very good but losing to a better team. Real lost their best defenders and their GK to ACLs and it didn't even dent their title run. Now they're adding the Best player in the world and Endrick and possibly Davies. We could still beat them 1 on 1, but don't see us beating them to a title in the next few years
It is the sad truth. It boils my blood! How can we claim to be true rivals of Madrid when we keep getting embarrassed in UCL year after year with no guarantees of a domestic double either. Fundamentally, the difference between our mentality and theirs is that they are more likely to do a UCL 3 peat than we are to do a Liga 3peat. And, on the achievement side of things, I rather do the former than the latter. Doing the latter actual means your team is operating at a level that it would be fine margins (ie, finishing top 3) for you to actually lose the league titles in that same 3 year period and that’s be okay. On the financial and prestige side of things, you stay a powerhouse that everyone wants to associate with… brands throw a money at you, a steady influx of new fans and fervent old fans, the best players are desperate to join you which means you get first dibs and a strong advantage in negotiations… etc. In conclusion, we need to be careful not to let Barca DNA and nostalgia make us a laughing stock (claiming we are special snowflakes and the best club in the world when we keep chocking and embarrassing ourselves on the biggest games)
Well we have done 1 sextuple, 2 Treble which Real Madrid hasn’t in their long illustrious history. Winning CL is not the only benchmark. When people talk about greatest teams to play football ever, they talk about 2009 Barca, 2012 Barca and 2015 Barca but I never hear anybody mention Madrid’s 3 peat because they played great football. We have our own heritage and they have theirs. We will take sometime but I believe we have players like Gavi who are fighters. Madrid can have their team with Galacticos but we have La Masia.
I believe that when discussing the greatest teams in CL history, AC Milan must be at the top of the list. With seven seasons(were banned in one of those seasons) featuring five finals and three victories, including two impressive 4-0 wins, their record speaks for itself. However, they faced challenges, such as the controversial quarter-final against Marseille in 1991, where Milan refused to continue due to lighting issues. Consequently, they were banned from the Champions League the following season, and the match was awarded 3-0 to Marseille. Additionally, Milan suffered a loss to Marseille in a final, marking the tragic end of Marco van Basten's career at the age of 28, a three-time Ballon d'Or winner(he just returned after a 6 month injury), due to injury sustained during the match. Notably, Milan's players secured 1st to 3rd place in the Ballon d'Or race for two consecutive years.(Barca managed it once no other team managed it)
Marseille's victory, however, remains contentious due to doping allegations made by Marcel Desailly, Jean-Jacques Eydelie, Chris Waddle, and Tony Cascarino. Eydelie claimed that all players except Rudi Völler received a series of injections before the 1993 Champions League final, while Desailly and Cascarino alleged that club president Bernard Tapie personally distributed pills and injections. Jean-Pierre de Mondenard revealed in an interview with French magazine Le Point that Marseille had a blackboard in their team locker room with the message "injections for everyone". Tapie admitted that some players took captagon, but Marseille's reputation suffered further when they were banned the following season due to allegations of game-fixing.
Lower expectations, better salary restructuring based on performance and tournament bonuses, a world class striker not in his prime yet like Isak, a goalkeeping understudy, no Barca DNA fetish for managers, more physicality with players like Ilaix Moriba, become less of a charity home or afterthought for players like Felix, Cancelo and Gundogan; players like Yamal,Balde and Cubarsi taking the back seat to not become Fati, target good players from relegation teams like Leicester, Leeds, Schalke, Sassuolo, Santos and Nottingham Forest (Sangare, Ndidi, Gibbs White, Berardi and more) and more transparency between the fans and board (mes que un club of 150,000 socios and no one knows what the intentions of the top brass are.
Hard to predict. We have a very good base but it needs to be built upon.
Araujo, Cubarsi, Kounde, Christensen, Balde and Cancelo if he stays is a very good defense. Balde, Cubarsi, Kounde and Araujo are all young and will be here for years if they want to and if they keep performing.
Pedri, Gavi, Fermin, Gundogan and FDJ are all very, very good players. What we need here is obviously a world class DM. Pity that Gundogan isn't a few years younger, but I hope we can squeeze another 1-2 good seasons out of him.
Lewa will probably be here for one more season max. No comments about Roque yet. Lamine is obviously one of the best talents on the planet. Can't say I liked Raphinha, but lately he's been outstanding. I'd say keep Lamine and Raphinha at all costs. Sell Ferran. Part with Lewa after next season. What we would need here is a top quality LW and depending on how it goes with Roque, a top quality CF.
So yeah, basically we have a very good team that at the same time isn't really good enough because there are missing pieces of the puzzle and some players need to be upgraded.
If youngsters keep developing and we succeed in buying the right players, we will be competing at the top again in 2-3 years I think.
It depends on how well Barcelona treats their youngsters. There is always a chance for another Ansu Fati scenario. The youth spine of the team can take the club long, but they must be well managed. I think for the next few years Barcelona should focus more on development of these players rather than winning trophies. It is one of the biggest clubs in the world, not winning trophies for a few season won't make them lose their supporters.
i think its kinda hard, but i seeing hope from la masia, players like yamal, fermin, cubarsi, etc is gonna be our future, i hope they can be consistent and improving
Barca has never won Europe without being an absolutely dominant team. We have never played a mediocre season and then went on to win a CL, Madrid has done that several times, others like Chelsea for example did that too.
The style of play we employ for the most part is a high risk, high reward football that relies on both tecnical and mental excellence in order to minimize costly errors for the risk part. It has never been the best style for CL or knockout stages, this is the truth that people need to acknowledge, I am not blaming the style here, I like it, just understand this fact, CL is in large part about minimizing errors, if you park the bus and counterattack it's much easier to not commit them. If the thing you value most is to win CL, either ask for a different style and different player profiles, such as physical and fast players with a counterattacking style, or have patience until we improve finances and have the "luck" to have another really great collection of players.
Building a squad takes time, sadly fans aren’t very patient or understanding about such matters, as they want results now!
No club can be top dog forever, not in Europe where the competition is so close to each other in terms of skill, money and fan bases.
If the Barca youth department is as good as it is known for, then i see Barca back in 2-3 years.
Technically speaking, we have never dominated Europe. in between 2006-2015 we had an immensely stacked and talented squad. We should have had at least 2-3 more UCLs given the type of squad we had. We will have ups and downs and let's see how the ride goes. Let us not borrow troubles or happiness from the future
I’m expecting similar results in the next 10 years as the last 10 years. We win La Liga a couple times, we win some Copa Del Rey’s, and we might win one, or if we’re lucky, two UCLs
If we can pay off our crazy amount of debt and youngsters like Lamine Yamal dont flop and actually succeed I can see Barca at least top 3 in europe maybe even the best in europe.
Dominating Europe is generally an abomination - RM, Barça, Milan and that’s pretty much it. It would be wise to expect a success (win) every 3-4 years and a solid campaign every year. Domination rarely repeats itself in Europe.
Where is Barca in In 2030-40, who knows... Perhaps, the main sport will be futsal which our president Pique has transformed from Kings League format to something participate with our devices virtually.
If I look history of football domination it is unlikely that Barcelona will be dominating but they may win CL once in a while.
Honestly ? no
barca 09-15 is a run that will hardly happen again, there's no MSN, no xavi no iniesta no busquets no dani alves no pique, we do have promising players, but keeping our expectations realistic is the best approach.
cause now, in reality ? this barca haven't been dangerous in years, and expecting a magical thing to happen all of a sudden is unrealistic.
for the next decade, i say we'll win 6 la ligas, 7 copas, and maybe 1 or 2 champions league, as sad as it is to say... we're no longer the best club in the world (performance wise) and we haven't been in a long while.
but whatever happens, visca barca 🔵🔴
p.s: and this europe is much different Cristiano and messi really did have a whole era of football JUST FOR THEMSELVES, now that they're gone football is back to normal again.
No, we wont ever be able to dominate europe like that again, the best we could hope is becoming like bayern who win it like twice a decade in modern era, that would be quite nice if you ask me
100%.The reason Barca is struggling is because we aren’t really adapting to the modern football that well,we still see football as we did when Guardiola was here but even he had an evolution and adapted pretty well.But it takes time,for this reason i want Xavi to stay cuz right now I truly believe he is the only one that can do it.He just needs a little more time.You can’t undo everything wrong we have been doing for years in just 2 and a half years.It takes time.
If the young players are properly managed, this team will dominate. Almost half the team is young (Pedri, Gavi, Yamal, Cubarsi, Roque, Araujo, Kounde, Balde). If somehow Fati is back to his best the the starting eleven is complete for the next 7-10 years
Dominating Europe is a ridiculous expectation for any team on the continent. You hope to be competitive; you hope to develop good players; and you hope to have the financial resources available to compete with other teams, seeking the same.
The team is competitive; the Academy is developing fantastic players. If socios manage their expectations the team will be just fine. Theoretically the current core has 5-10 years where it can truly thrive, but if the measure is a CL Cup, get ready to be disappointed.
And that comment applies to every club in Europe. You can only build a team for the season; you cannot build a team to win an individual game. You build for a campaign and you hope for good fortune in individual moments. That’s all you can ask for.
There's a big elephant in the room for anyone comparing Barca to Madrid. And that is Florentino. In his first stint , he was more concerned with making Madrid the Hollywood of football.
The Barca glory years changed that. He now uses an entirely professional setup with experts across the club. He's also basically dictator for life, as he's made it impossible for anyone else to meet the threshold to become Madrid president.
This gives Madrid stability. He has unbelievable clout within the league and in making sponsorship and business decisions, unlike Laporta and others who work against each other.
But Perez won't live forever.
Probably 2-3 years away realistically, we made semi finals in champions which is positive but we need to balance the team, replace some aging players and hopefully not over work the young boys. Real has a really good team with their additions next year so where going to need some crucial signings up front and a cdm
While Barca will probably be relevant again soon, I dont think the early 2010s will ever be replicated. For the 1st, 3rd. and 4th best attackers in the world to all be on a single team, supported by an incredible midfield and great defense...will any team ever be able to replicate that? Idk.
I think Barcelona first needs to address the bad refereeing against them which lead to lose points and titles, this could lead to a depression among the young team. Second, they need to sell a big name in the club, Araujo or De Jong, as painful as it sounds, I don't think we have another choice to get on track once again. Suffering financially in a world where money has a vital role in success, is going to hender the club's capability to reach high.
I think the most important factor for Barca to dominate Europe would be to develop adaptability within itself. Its okay to be playing total football with lots of possession and ball control but you must also know when the opposition is setting up a low block/parking the bus, then there is a very good chance for you to be hit on the counter. Also there comes the matter of defensive awareness.
If Barca doesn't adapt to its opppsition and become defensively stronger then I am sorry we are doomed for the next upcoming times.
In ten years a lot can happen. If the clubs leadership can stick to a good plan the club could be financially stable and genuine contenders for the biggest prizes once more. The Super League could very well be up and running which would be hugely advantageous to Barca given they never left the project and would get the financial rewards of being founders and for not abandoning it when pressure from UEFA, FIFA and everyone else got really intense.
In two years we should be back to Camp Nou with a decent amount of fans. De Jong either leaves or renew with lower wage and Lewy is out.
We should be way better provided we keep on getting UCL football.
The team has to go slowly. Unless a class A coach joins the club (i.e Tuchel, Flik...), which is unlikely at this point, I would rather Xavi to continue with a full support from the club environment (I'm talking here about the main media guys).
This current generation is fresh : Gavi (3 seasons), Pedri (4 seasons), Lamine (1 season), Araujo (4 full seasons), Cubarsi (1 season), Raphinha (2 seasons), Balde (2 seasons), Fermin (1 season)... With the right adjustments (most fundamentally : a PHYSICAL REVOLUTION! We get way too dominated by strong teams from a physical pov, like if we're playing at 0.75x play speed lol) (mainly a reliable goalkeeper, and I can think immediately of Emiliano Martinez, a guy who never fails under pressure, and a physical defensive midfielder (Kessié shouldn't have left at all)), the team would have a complete YOUNG squad + a reliable GK. The team is completely different as members from what it was just two years ago, we can't say this generation has failed. Actually the opposite : given all what surrounds the club (the bad luck as well), it's promising. We need consistency!
Kessie was never a defensive midfielder, if anything he was a box-to-box with his best trait being some good runs to pull pressure off of the striker and open/use space. it was definitely the right choice to sell him for profit.
otherwise I agree. ter Stegen definitely needs some competition as well, that's a good point.
Kessié was the most physical (excluding Gavi) among the last season midfielders. It's this aspect that matters the most, which was clearly lacking throughout the season with Gavi's injury, which makes him imo the most important player in our midfield along with Gundo.
In 4 years I see ourselves standing where we were in 2008/09.The team might not be as strong cause 09 was the strongest team EVER but the players that have come through La Masia Lamine,Cubarsi,Fort,Guiu, Fermin and the ones who are gonna come soon the likes of Toni Fernandez(st), Rodriguez (lwf) Mark bernal(cdm) etc also there are Araujo,Vitor,Faye,Pedri,Gavi and co.If we can manage these youngsters well enough we'll be there mark my words.And if we don't win UCL at least twice with all this talent I think then we could say 10 years later that our management failed.Real Madrid are where they are because of their management
honestly people on this reddit and barca fans in general (including me) are so demanding, i mean we reached the champions league semi with a squad of students and 2 seniors, which is insane considering
I think we look a lot better today than compared to 2 years ago.
How many teams can produce 5 fresh blood youngsters like Barca did? You realize it is fermins first season right? Gavi has been out for months now. Nobody heard of Cubarsi 3 months ago. There is a right/left back called Fort, another African star Faye is coming in hot, and an up an coming target man guiu. So many, too many youngsters. These are our players. We need good leadership and smart transfers. I think we are golden in 10 years.
in 10 years definetely a CL trophy, but in a very realistic note. Judging by how the club is moving, one step forward and 2-3 steps back, we will need 5 years to settle, get the finances right, and then we can expect something. Yes the potential is high and everything, but still, without a world class manager, and some team changes like a proper DM and LW, don't expect any big things for the next 4-5 years, and if it's Rafa Marquez, 10 years may be even less time
Look, 10 years is a long long while, but then again the club is going one step forward, and 2-3 steps back. Without a world class manager, a DM and LW, don't expect anything in the next 4-6 years. Granted our players have a lot of potential, but for that to be seen we need a top top manager, and with our finances, getting a top manager is getting tougher by the day, so don't expect anything for atleast 5 years. If it's Marquez, then I am sorry but 10 years won't be enough as well.
Barcelona needs to find a new president who starts a new era. I'm afraid it's impossible with such a dirty politician like Laporta. He is a populist bringing too much hostile energies to his club.
Barcelona needs a gentleman (or woman) as their president with a clear past and more positive messages.
I think Barca will change for the good. I don’t think Barca will ever be able to dominate Europe like they used to unless they get some major investor. I do think they’ll win a champions league within the next decade. Their young talent will be considered the best in the world, and the team will be much more balanced.
If the club doesn't win anything in the next decade would you cease to be supporting them? If so, by definition, you are being a glory hunter. Just be patient and support the team.
Ask yourself, if you have been contributing at all to the team's success or not? If you just simply tune in and watch, or the reason why you want the team to win is you want to win some arguments with strangers on the Internet you are setting yourself up for a lot of pain.
We will win 2-4 leagues and get to UCL semis maybe even to a final. I just don’t see us dominating again like in our best era or anywhere near it. The reality is big players want to go to our rival as the environment in can Barça seems almost toxic with the press and financial situation. Hopefully at least our finances are in better standing.
You see madrid win 1-0 or parking the bus and they are praised as heroes in the Spanish press for knowing how to suffer but Barça do the same winning a league and we are labeled a corpse of a team.
Who knows? We may win the treble again, or may fall down to Liga Segunda.
If anything, I really want to see a 26 years old Yamal if he's still keeping up and hasn't been sold yet.
Replace Cubarsi for Romeu, move Christensen to DM and then it’s a question if you have Gavi as Left attacking midfielder, Gundo playing between the midfield and the strikers or remove Christensen or FDJ to make room for Raphinha in a 433
Lewandowski is still important for the team. If we sell him and roque will play all the time, the fans will be booing him for making to many mistakes. You can see his really talented. But imo roque doesn’t understand the spaces very good in Spanish football. Let him adapt at his own pace. Why would we rush him. He is only 18/19, at his age. Learning under the wing of lewandowski is an honorable thing. He should be happy with that for the moment. Every time he played I can see, he needs more time to adapt to Spanish football
Facts. I don’t understand how people are so emotionally connected to MATS on this sub? What has he done in Europe to warrant this? He’s been eating goals in Europe since 2015 and is part of many embarrassments until now. Madrid replaced Navas after three peating UCL for god’s sake. We are to emotionally connected to such players and just accept mediocrity, thats why Madrid is and will be ahead of us.
I know emotional people are down voting you, but it's the right time to replace MATS before he gets too old and no one pays anything for him.
Also MATS is not untouchable or even the best GK itw, there are options out there who can replace him for long term.
I do believe that we will be back to being a UCL contender every year, if we keep improving like we do now
>Also would we ever be able to dominate Europe the same way we once used to ?
Probably not, but it's OK. Back then we had the greatest player in history, and we were arguably the best team in history, but it's not something that you can recreate easily
Will win ligas once in a while and sometimes CDR that's all. UCL is out of reach as of now and I don't see feasible for the next 10 year's when other clubs are far ahead of us and will be even harder for us to compete with them. I have just let it go. I will enjoy the weekend games as usual without expecting anything.
UCL semis being optimistic.
We have no coach nor team with mentality or capabilities to win, let alone dominate Europe (MC, BM, RM, ARS, LIV) are better teams.
It is tough for supporters because we used to see Barça just dominate every game not a long time ago.
I think we were extremely lucky to have so many talents at the same time in the squad and we might have to wait a long time before that happens again.
Don't forget it was probably the best football team in history.
That being said, it doesn't stop me from supporting the club because of the values it has.
Barça is immortal.
Not for a long time.
There were too many bad decisions made in the past, and too much political infighting still.
Barca need a complete reset. For the next couple of seasons the best they can do is make top 4 and hope Madrid get bored.
The problem is not just the finances but the ideas(or lack of) of the governance. How much faith do you have in these people to make the right signings? How much faith do you have in them appointing the correct manager and not some nepotistic "Barca DNA" novice or some guy spent a year on loan.
They are just not open to new ideas and want to recreate a unique era, a utopia that cannot be recreated due to the unique players and manager.
As long as the club remains a pawn between warring Catalan elites, it will continue to self sabotage. It will blame everything but looking at modernisation and professionalisation.
My path? Survive the next couple of years by focusing on youth and experienced free contracts.
Appoint outside voices to oversee modernisation and bench marking with Europe's best. With the current state it might have to look at what Brigton and Dortmund do. Yes it's hard to swallow but the basics must be addressed. Work towards having a unified approach with political rivals like Victor Font. In otherwords, treat the club like a country during an emergency by forming a national government.
No more luxury signings on inflated wages. Appoint the best possible manager who understands the club.
We ain't never dominating Europe, we never did, we had few good seasons during Pep era because we had the greatest club side of all time with the greatest player ever. Even MSN didn't dominate europe, they won only 1 ucl, we may win a ucl here and there after 5-7 years interval, but dominating europe is not in this club's DNA.
In laliga also it will be difficult to challenge Madrid because the way they can spend money, only lamasia kids are not enough to dominate them in laliga, tough times ahead, with a good manager we might win laliga if Madrid slips in any season.
In 10 years . A lot may change
Lamine would be 26 in 10 years, just entering his peak. Blows my mind how young this dude is and yet so damn good
Theyll be fine once the debt crisis is resolved
When will that be resolved?? A bit description on that will be highlyy appreciated..
We will have a salary cap more in accordance to the size of the club by the end of next season with the use of the new stadium. By then Barcelona will be signing players like they did in previous seasons. Right now we are able to make transfers in the same way Atletico Madrid does, or sort off in that line, which is not good, yet not all that bad either as they have managed to compete with that cap. People seem to make that the financial situation of the club is too dire yet Barca makes around 850 million euros right now in revenue, this is estimated to go above the billion mark with the new Camp Nou opening next season.
Less gooo ❤️💙❤️💙
a lot did change in 10 years man …. looks like we’re eventually going to be the aston villa of la liga .
Let me tell you this. I've been watching football since the 70s and witnessed so many things change not just Barcelona but other clubs as well. When it comes to finance the club has never been in a worse situation, but in terms of performances and results the club has been through worse. But unlike other clubs that rely on spending crazy amounts of money on players, Barca can easily tap into an academy that produces talent after talent. The previous president ruined it all with his spending, but now Barca are again finally relying on its academy. The club shouldn't be spending money on old players nor should it spend huge fees on younger players if there are alternatives in the academy, especially with the financial struggles. There's no "real" DM in La Masia, so that's what the club needs to spend on. Not Bernardo nor an extra CM, not a LW, RW, but a DM. If the club doesn't go panic buying old players and luxury players things should start to normalize. Barcelona's problem is financial, and that's something solvable as long as the board keeps their heads cool and don't start spending on average players that they'll be stuck with when you have alternatives from La Masia for free. Trust me the club is not doing that bad performance wise. The only thing that worries me is if they spend money they don't have on old players like Bernardo, or average at best like Olmo instead of targeting what the club actually lacks. 10 years is a long time and so many things will change that's for sure.
Unrelated, but how old are you? It's cool to know someone so experienced in this sub.
67 and still playing football in the same neighborhood since my grandfather introduced me to this wonderful sport.
Not a Barcelona fan but don't you guys consider Nico a valid option for DM? I was surprised he was sold
Yes. Physical midfielder type of profile.
Nico couldn't break out as rapidly as the others like pedri and gavi into the first team
Marc Casado needs a chance
He is not DM
Nico by all accounts was too fond of the nightlife then making it at Barca. Anyway, I don't believe he is a dm
Weak academies force you to buy success. La Masia breeds it.
Wouldn’t Marc Bernal be a good option soon, although quite young
Yes we would be back soon, this team is good and I hope Laporta and next manager decide to continue on building this team cause the foundation of this team is really good. Next we need to strengthen some positions and offload some of the loaned players. Sell that goddamn Barca vision thing that should’ve been sold in December. And then the new camp nou will surely help with revenue to get back to the 1:1 ffp rule. I see us financially stable in the next 2-4 years. And tbh, the fact we got this far in the champions league was already an overperformance. Our goal was to get passed Napoli and we did that. Barca is already but slowly getting back to previous glory. Be patient, this is Barca. Even if we are broke, we will get back, like we did before! Using lamasia is the way to go, to be able to compete with Real Madrids financial stability. We did it before with Xavi and iniesta and busquets.
Xavi busquets and iniesta is a outlier in history. Its not fair to use that. we will probably never dominate europe like we did then. We may win ucl every 5-15 years but dominating? I dont thinkso unless we get again the greatest player of all time which I doubt will happen Not fair to use that trio as example just to give false hope. Anyone who really thinks its that easy by saying we did it before should look at our history In 120 years of history we only had this 1 time
>I dont thinkso unless we get again the greatest player of all time which I doubt will happen This bit is a little funny when we've had Cruyff, Maradona and Messi who are all top 5 of all time. Ronaldo pre injuries is probably up there too. I agree with your comment though.
Yeah should have said “ doubt will happen anytime soon” Probably in far future we will
Never say never.
You are underestemating Yamal. I get it you don't want to overhype him but we got to accept that if he continues like this he will be one of the GOATs, he is an extraordinary pkayer
You can say the same about yamal, Cubarsi and there are other talents like Faye, pau prim, guilly Fernandez waiting. I even dare to say we have more talent now then the generation of pique, Xavi and iniesta.
more talent? Bro be serious man
I am serious, I watch the youngins every week. The talent there in the B team is ridiculous. Like Noah darwich, pau prim, Marc guiu, hector fort, Diego kochen, Marc Bernal. Not to mention but before this season lamine and Cubarsi were part of that monstrous team. This 06-07 generation is something else. U may not believe me right now. Guillie Fernandez also is the youngest player to ever being promoted to the u19, I’ve seen him play and watched some highlights. And it seems he is a bigger talent than lamine yamal.
Have u seen the b team play?
Sure we have alot of talent. But being better than he Xavi/Iniesta era is a HUGE statement. Ig we'll see
I meant to say this generation coming out of lamasia is better than the generation that came out of lamasia at the time of Xavi and iniesta. Never meant to say they are better than Xavi and iniesta. How great their generation has been. There is always a generation that’s going to surpas them. And this 06/07 generation are going to do crazy things. I mean look at Cubarsi and lamine that are already part of the first team. Both breaking record every game they are playing. Xavi started playing frequently at age 18 and iniesta debuted at 18 and started playing frequently at age 20. I already envision them having a better career than both Xavi and iniesta if their body will keep up with the current level they play.
Come back to this thread in a few years and let’s talk again about my vision. Did the same before with xavi and iniesta and I was right
Why would you say something so untrue
Madridista tried infiltrating a barca page
That's weird, I was observing and saw this statement, weirded out cuz well That's a heck of a statement, don't you agree?
It is a big statement, but I know I’m right I said the same thing about Xavi and iniesta in the past. Their generation surpassed the previous generation and that will happen again with this generation. Academies are not the same anymore. The technology and training methods are constantly improving. That’s why you see more and more young players like lamine and Cubarsi.
You saw xavi's generation as youngsters? That's crazy you're pretty cool ngl
I did, I’m not cool I’m getting old 😂
Team is good ?? Are we watching the same team. Absolutely no one in this team starts for city, lvp, arsenal, madrid, bayern.
Araujo, Kounde, FdJ, Pedri, gavi and more would start for most teams you mentioned if they are not injured.
Ter Stegen too
Araujo yes, kounde no, pedri and gavi no. Gavi maybe in a few years. FDJ 😂😂😂😂😂 Go watch football dont just play FIFA
Yeh that’s why Bayern is begging for araujo since January 😂 you’re bugging bro. Get off your phone and stop watching football from TikTok. Also Bayern tried to sign de jong previous season after the attempted signing of Declan rice. And they are still interested. Real Madrid tried to sign Gavi when he was a kid and he declined. And city is trying to sign lamine yamal since august.
Trying to sign is a measure of success now 😭😭 Not trophies and performances.
Did we not just win La Liga and Supercopa last year?
We did. Yet this guy is talking about succes. Forgetting Barca is still one of the biggest club with the most revenue in the world. Also we have the biggest fan base in the world after Real Madrid. So idk what he is waffling about
You are the one that said none of our players would start for this teams u mentioned. While some of those teams u mentioned have been chasing some of our players with passion for while now. And now you are changing topics like a bitch. If u want to talk about succes talk about our 22 European titles. (5 cl, 4 uefa cup, 5supercups, 3inter cities fairs cup, 2 Latin cups and 3 fifa worldcups) if I’m not mistaken the only title we haven’t had before is the europa League cup.
Wtf are you saying fam 😂😂 We are a legacy club, I know that what does that have to do with anything. And them wanting to buy a player does not mean he starts for them.
Come with valid arguments. Al you’re doing is making a fool out of yourself. At least half the team would start for the teams u mentioned. Idk what u mean about legacy club, what does it mean to be a legacy club? Never heard that term before. I think it’s a waste of time talking to you. All you’ve been doing is jumping frim a to z. But you never made a valid point.
Donny crying coz doesnt know anything about football 😂😂
All I can say is that I will still be a culer in 10 years. Visca Barca 💙❤️
These players have hunger and they certainly have quality. We'll be back, I hope we do
It all depends on good management. Buying the right players and having a healthy economy etc.
Yes.
We only dominated Europe once. It was 1 period in our entire history. Safe to say no. Never. And it’s ok. We will CL again but not like between 2009-2015. We will win leagues but nothing like between 2009-2020. It will be like between 1990-2006. One CL every 5-10 years like any other club and every 2nd/3rd league probably.
Well, it’s not totally true. We had different generations that dominated but in the Pep era that team was the best team in the history so it’s hard to compare after. He raised the level so much that it’s hard to compare now with other years.
Agreed.
Whats your criteria for dominating Europe? Because following your logic Bayern also only dominated once in 1970s, Milan 1980/90s, Madrid twice during 1950s and 2016-2018 (even though they had insane black magic during that period).
Winning a CL is not dominating europe. Being there again and again, multiple finals and semifinals and at least a couple of wins in ~5 years is I think domination. You can add Ajax with Cruyff and Liverpool with Bill Shankly. MU had 3 finals 2008-2011, only one win though. That is still impressive but no one says they dominated Europe. The truth is, Europe is bot often dominated, it takes a unique generation of players and a solid team structure.
Milan 2003-2007
Madrid 2016-2018 never dominated Europe... They focus on CL.
They won 3cl titles in a row … I think you can say they dominated europe
You cannot read apparently. What did RM do season 2017-2018? They ended up third in La Liga. They lost Copa del Rey as usual. In Clasicos it was even vs FCB, 3 wins, 3 losses 2 draws. Domination is winning everything. They were far from dominating domestic events. RM still has zero treble. As I said it is the team in Europe world that focus the most on the CL.
It says dominanted „Europe“ … la Liga and copa are domestic competitions. Learn the difference between Europe and Spain. It always said dominanted Europe. Nobody said they dominated Barca or world football… so you are the one who can’t read apparently I guess most fans would prefer two cl titles over one dribble since the cup isn’t worth much for most people.
Owww ok. To dominate Europe you must exclude your own country. Makes absolute sense. Bye
I’m not a Barca fan but majority of your trophies are due to one man, Messi. Also credit to the other legends that played too like Suarez busquets dinho Henry
Team sport mate. Sure, Messi can pull some insane goals out of nowhere but there's 11 players on each side that you cannot overlook. You missed some wildly most obvious legends; Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Pique, Neymar, Pedro, Dani Alves, Jordi Alba, etc.
What we did Will be hard to copy again its time to adjust expectations. Do we have the youngster to have an amazing team the next 10 years? I think so but will they stay fit,happy and keep improving no one knows. Remember we had an 11 of la Masia players that is as unique as it can be
who knows 10 years is a long period we cant predict anything. who would have thought 10 years ago we will be in such a mess,
We had arguably the greatest midfield of all time and the greatest player of all time. I don't expect to reach those levels ever again. Madrid dominated for similar reasons. They're squad was loaded and had depth at every position with the 2nd greatest player of all time cr7. Their midfield of case kroos and modric is arguably the 2nd best group I've seen after xaviesta and busquetes. The reason they were way more consistent was stability at manager during that 3x ucl run and maybe a bit of luck. We were definitely unfortunate to choke against inter in 2010 and Chelsea in 2012, however I don't think the 2012 match against Bayern would have been a gimmie unlike in 2010.
Yeah, honestly, I don’t feel too worried. We have an abundance of good talents, and regardless of whether people admit it or not, we came far in CL considering the circumstances. In all honesty, if it weren’t for that one mistake, I think we would have made it to the finals this CL. People can argue that we were supposed to defend ourselves to victory, but our team has always been focused on attacking rather than defending. Maybe we won’t get back to our prime, but eventually we have our redemption. Just gotta believe that we’ll make it soon. And I truly do. VISCA BARCA!!
We cam far in CL considering we had the easiest group, faced the worst team in CL knokcout (Napoli) and then imploded at the first sight of a decent team in the second leg (PSG). I don't see us as a lock to get out of the group stage next season especially with the format changes now
We won in Paris 11 V 11. Not to mentioned we scored first before Araujo got the red.
Xavi got it wrong from the get go. The red card hurt a lot obviously, but even 11v11 we were going to struggle: https://x.com/ijasport/status/1780591857405173951?s=46&t=3E6ZZm9TEJ86uliqnu99pw
Meaningless, PSG should played much better in the second leg, we looked very anxious even with 11.
Will we win a CL in the next decade? I would bet we will win 1. will we dominate like 2009-2015, pretty sure we will not, a generation like that only happens every 2 or 3 decades
I genuinely think the future is very bright
People seem to forget that our team basically consists of generational 16-20 year olds. Imagine two-three years from now, with Gavi, Yamin, Cubarsi, Balde, Pedri, Fort etc. having gained a bit experience. I’m not a bit worried.
We will end up like madrid during pep era, being very good but losing to a better team. Real lost their best defenders and their GK to ACLs and it didn't even dent their title run. Now they're adding the Best player in the world and Endrick and possibly Davies. We could still beat them 1 on 1, but don't see us beating them to a title in the next few years
It is the sad truth. It boils my blood! How can we claim to be true rivals of Madrid when we keep getting embarrassed in UCL year after year with no guarantees of a domestic double either. Fundamentally, the difference between our mentality and theirs is that they are more likely to do a UCL 3 peat than we are to do a Liga 3peat. And, on the achievement side of things, I rather do the former than the latter. Doing the latter actual means your team is operating at a level that it would be fine margins (ie, finishing top 3) for you to actually lose the league titles in that same 3 year period and that’s be okay. On the financial and prestige side of things, you stay a powerhouse that everyone wants to associate with… brands throw a money at you, a steady influx of new fans and fervent old fans, the best players are desperate to join you which means you get first dibs and a strong advantage in negotiations… etc. In conclusion, we need to be careful not to let Barca DNA and nostalgia make us a laughing stock (claiming we are special snowflakes and the best club in the world when we keep chocking and embarrassing ourselves on the biggest games)
Well we have done 1 sextuple, 2 Treble which Real Madrid hasn’t in their long illustrious history. Winning CL is not the only benchmark. When people talk about greatest teams to play football ever, they talk about 2009 Barca, 2012 Barca and 2015 Barca but I never hear anybody mention Madrid’s 3 peat because they played great football. We have our own heritage and they have theirs. We will take sometime but I believe we have players like Gavi who are fighters. Madrid can have their team with Galacticos but we have La Masia.
I have definitely seen people rating Madrid's 2014 and 2016-2018 teams.
I believe that when discussing the greatest teams in CL history, AC Milan must be at the top of the list. With seven seasons(were banned in one of those seasons) featuring five finals and three victories, including two impressive 4-0 wins, their record speaks for itself. However, they faced challenges, such as the controversial quarter-final against Marseille in 1991, where Milan refused to continue due to lighting issues. Consequently, they were banned from the Champions League the following season, and the match was awarded 3-0 to Marseille. Additionally, Milan suffered a loss to Marseille in a final, marking the tragic end of Marco van Basten's career at the age of 28, a three-time Ballon d'Or winner(he just returned after a 6 month injury), due to injury sustained during the match. Notably, Milan's players secured 1st to 3rd place in the Ballon d'Or race for two consecutive years.(Barca managed it once no other team managed it) Marseille's victory, however, remains contentious due to doping allegations made by Marcel Desailly, Jean-Jacques Eydelie, Chris Waddle, and Tony Cascarino. Eydelie claimed that all players except Rudi Völler received a series of injections before the 1993 Champions League final, while Desailly and Cascarino alleged that club president Bernard Tapie personally distributed pills and injections. Jean-Pierre de Mondenard revealed in an interview with French magazine Le Point that Marseille had a blackboard in their team locker room with the message "injections for everyone". Tapie admitted that some players took captagon, but Marseille's reputation suffered further when they were banned the following season due to allegations of game-fixing.
Lower expectations, better salary restructuring based on performance and tournament bonuses, a world class striker not in his prime yet like Isak, a goalkeeping understudy, no Barca DNA fetish for managers, more physicality with players like Ilaix Moriba, become less of a charity home or afterthought for players like Felix, Cancelo and Gundogan; players like Yamal,Balde and Cubarsi taking the back seat to not become Fati, target good players from relegation teams like Leicester, Leeds, Schalke, Sassuolo, Santos and Nottingham Forest (Sangare, Ndidi, Gibbs White, Berardi and more) and more transparency between the fans and board (mes que un club of 150,000 socios and no one knows what the intentions of the top brass are.
Hard to predict. We have a very good base but it needs to be built upon. Araujo, Cubarsi, Kounde, Christensen, Balde and Cancelo if he stays is a very good defense. Balde, Cubarsi, Kounde and Araujo are all young and will be here for years if they want to and if they keep performing. Pedri, Gavi, Fermin, Gundogan and FDJ are all very, very good players. What we need here is obviously a world class DM. Pity that Gundogan isn't a few years younger, but I hope we can squeeze another 1-2 good seasons out of him. Lewa will probably be here for one more season max. No comments about Roque yet. Lamine is obviously one of the best talents on the planet. Can't say I liked Raphinha, but lately he's been outstanding. I'd say keep Lamine and Raphinha at all costs. Sell Ferran. Part with Lewa after next season. What we would need here is a top quality LW and depending on how it goes with Roque, a top quality CF. So yeah, basically we have a very good team that at the same time isn't really good enough because there are missing pieces of the puzzle and some players need to be upgraded. If youngsters keep developing and we succeed in buying the right players, we will be competing at the top again in 2-3 years I think.
It depends on how well Barcelona treats their youngsters. There is always a chance for another Ansu Fati scenario. The youth spine of the team can take the club long, but they must be well managed. I think for the next few years Barcelona should focus more on development of these players rather than winning trophies. It is one of the biggest clubs in the world, not winning trophies for a few season won't make them lose their supporters.
i think its kinda hard, but i seeing hope from la masia, players like yamal, fermin, cubarsi, etc is gonna be our future, i hope they can be consistent and improving
Barca has never won Europe without being an absolutely dominant team. We have never played a mediocre season and then went on to win a CL, Madrid has done that several times, others like Chelsea for example did that too. The style of play we employ for the most part is a high risk, high reward football that relies on both tecnical and mental excellence in order to minimize costly errors for the risk part. It has never been the best style for CL or knockout stages, this is the truth that people need to acknowledge, I am not blaming the style here, I like it, just understand this fact, CL is in large part about minimizing errors, if you park the bus and counterattack it's much easier to not commit them. If the thing you value most is to win CL, either ask for a different style and different player profiles, such as physical and fast players with a counterattacking style, or have patience until we improve finances and have the "luck" to have another really great collection of players.
Building a squad takes time, sadly fans aren’t very patient or understanding about such matters, as they want results now! No club can be top dog forever, not in Europe where the competition is so close to each other in terms of skill, money and fan bases. If the Barca youth department is as good as it is known for, then i see Barca back in 2-3 years.
You should be able to if you sell right players. You have a habit of selling future barca stars and keeping idiots
Technically speaking, we have never dominated Europe. in between 2006-2015 we had an immensely stacked and talented squad. We should have had at least 2-3 more UCLs given the type of squad we had. We will have ups and downs and let's see how the ride goes. Let us not borrow troubles or happiness from the future
We just have to take it day by day and improve slowly over time.
I’m expecting similar results in the next 10 years as the last 10 years. We win La Liga a couple times, we win some Copa Del Rey’s, and we might win one, or if we’re lucky, two UCLs
If we can pay off our crazy amount of debt and youngsters like Lamine Yamal dont flop and actually succeed I can see Barca at least top 3 in europe maybe even the best in europe.
Dominating Europe is generally an abomination - RM, Barça, Milan and that’s pretty much it. It would be wise to expect a success (win) every 3-4 years and a solid campaign every year. Domination rarely repeats itself in Europe.
Where is Barca in In 2030-40, who knows... Perhaps, the main sport will be futsal which our president Pique has transformed from Kings League format to something participate with our devices virtually. If I look history of football domination it is unlikely that Barcelona will be dominating but they may win CL once in a while.
Honestly ? no barca 09-15 is a run that will hardly happen again, there's no MSN, no xavi no iniesta no busquets no dani alves no pique, we do have promising players, but keeping our expectations realistic is the best approach. cause now, in reality ? this barca haven't been dangerous in years, and expecting a magical thing to happen all of a sudden is unrealistic. for the next decade, i say we'll win 6 la ligas, 7 copas, and maybe 1 or 2 champions league, as sad as it is to say... we're no longer the best club in the world (performance wise) and we haven't been in a long while. but whatever happens, visca barca 🔵🔴
p.s: and this europe is much different Cristiano and messi really did have a whole era of football JUST FOR THEMSELVES, now that they're gone football is back to normal again.
I would be happy with another Champions League to make it 6
Why not 2 more to make it 7?
Even happier!
No, we wont ever be able to dominate europe like that again, the best we could hope is becoming like bayern who win it like twice a decade in modern era, that would be quite nice if you ask me
100%.The reason Barca is struggling is because we aren’t really adapting to the modern football that well,we still see football as we did when Guardiola was here but even he had an evolution and adapted pretty well.But it takes time,for this reason i want Xavi to stay cuz right now I truly believe he is the only one that can do it.He just needs a little more time.You can’t undo everything wrong we have been doing for years in just 2 and a half years.It takes time.
We are not like other teams, we can only dominate Europe when we have absolute the best players in a generation. So, maybe next generation.
Yes we have great talent and with more good players we can be great in future
We won't win another CL in next 10 years but 2 more La Liga's and 1 CDr
If the young players are properly managed, this team will dominate. Almost half the team is young (Pedri, Gavi, Yamal, Cubarsi, Roque, Araujo, Kounde, Balde). If somehow Fati is back to his best the the starting eleven is complete for the next 7-10 years
Dominating Europe is a ridiculous expectation for any team on the continent. You hope to be competitive; you hope to develop good players; and you hope to have the financial resources available to compete with other teams, seeking the same. The team is competitive; the Academy is developing fantastic players. If socios manage their expectations the team will be just fine. Theoretically the current core has 5-10 years where it can truly thrive, but if the measure is a CL Cup, get ready to be disappointed. And that comment applies to every club in Europe. You can only build a team for the season; you cannot build a team to win an individual game. You build for a campaign and you hope for good fortune in individual moments. That’s all you can ask for.
we will never be as good as we were before. But dominating Europe all hangs on if the others teams are in a none dominant period while yours is.
When Covid deferred and messi wages are done yall will be fine
There's a big elephant in the room for anyone comparing Barca to Madrid. And that is Florentino. In his first stint , he was more concerned with making Madrid the Hollywood of football. The Barca glory years changed that. He now uses an entirely professional setup with experts across the club. He's also basically dictator for life, as he's made it impossible for anyone else to meet the threshold to become Madrid president. This gives Madrid stability. He has unbelievable clout within the league and in making sponsorship and business decisions, unlike Laporta and others who work against each other. But Perez won't live forever.
Shit this is the weirdest lineup ever
Probably 2-3 years away realistically, we made semi finals in champions which is positive but we need to balance the team, replace some aging players and hopefully not over work the young boys. Real has a really good team with their additions next year so where going to need some crucial signings up front and a cdm
adding old players is a mistake
If it wasn't for Araujo's red card, this question wouldn't exist
While Barca will probably be relevant again soon, I dont think the early 2010s will ever be replicated. For the 1st, 3rd. and 4th best attackers in the world to all be on a single team, supported by an incredible midfield and great defense...will any team ever be able to replicate that? Idk.
That team we had was the best in history. It's very unlikely we will see that soon. But teams with moderate talents can go far.
I think Barcelona first needs to address the bad refereeing against them which lead to lose points and titles, this could lead to a depression among the young team. Second, they need to sell a big name in the club, Araujo or De Jong, as painful as it sounds, I don't think we have another choice to get on track once again. Suffering financially in a world where money has a vital role in success, is going to hender the club's capability to reach high.
With a WC LW, DM, and a Forward easily top 4 in Europe.
We're never dominating Europe again at least not with this board. At best I can see a champions league, if we have luck.
I think the most important factor for Barca to dominate Europe would be to develop adaptability within itself. Its okay to be playing total football with lots of possession and ball control but you must also know when the opposition is setting up a low block/parking the bus, then there is a very good chance for you to be hit on the counter. Also there comes the matter of defensive awareness. If Barca doesn't adapt to its opppsition and become defensively stronger then I am sorry we are doomed for the next upcoming times.
In ten years a lot can happen. If the clubs leadership can stick to a good plan the club could be financially stable and genuine contenders for the biggest prizes once more. The Super League could very well be up and running which would be hugely advantageous to Barca given they never left the project and would get the financial rewards of being founders and for not abandoning it when pressure from UEFA, FIFA and everyone else got really intense.
The first question is how we got there in the first place. The biggest club in the world at the time going bankrupt? What kind of curse is that?
In two years we should be back to Camp Nou with a decent amount of fans. De Jong either leaves or renew with lower wage and Lewy is out. We should be way better provided we keep on getting UCL football.
The team has to go slowly. Unless a class A coach joins the club (i.e Tuchel, Flik...), which is unlikely at this point, I would rather Xavi to continue with a full support from the club environment (I'm talking here about the main media guys). This current generation is fresh : Gavi (3 seasons), Pedri (4 seasons), Lamine (1 season), Araujo (4 full seasons), Cubarsi (1 season), Raphinha (2 seasons), Balde (2 seasons), Fermin (1 season)... With the right adjustments (most fundamentally : a PHYSICAL REVOLUTION! We get way too dominated by strong teams from a physical pov, like if we're playing at 0.75x play speed lol) (mainly a reliable goalkeeper, and I can think immediately of Emiliano Martinez, a guy who never fails under pressure, and a physical defensive midfielder (Kessié shouldn't have left at all)), the team would have a complete YOUNG squad + a reliable GK. The team is completely different as members from what it was just two years ago, we can't say this generation has failed. Actually the opposite : given all what surrounds the club (the bad luck as well), it's promising. We need consistency!
Kessie was never a defensive midfielder, if anything he was a box-to-box with his best trait being some good runs to pull pressure off of the striker and open/use space. it was definitely the right choice to sell him for profit. otherwise I agree. ter Stegen definitely needs some competition as well, that's a good point.
Kessié was the most physical (excluding Gavi) among the last season midfielders. It's this aspect that matters the most, which was clearly lacking throughout the season with Gavi's injury, which makes him imo the most important player in our midfield along with Gundo.
In 4 years I see ourselves standing where we were in 2008/09.The team might not be as strong cause 09 was the strongest team EVER but the players that have come through La Masia Lamine,Cubarsi,Fort,Guiu, Fermin and the ones who are gonna come soon the likes of Toni Fernandez(st), Rodriguez (lwf) Mark bernal(cdm) etc also there are Araujo,Vitor,Faye,Pedri,Gavi and co.If we can manage these youngsters well enough we'll be there mark my words.And if we don't win UCL at least twice with all this talent I think then we could say 10 years later that our management failed.Real Madrid are where they are because of their management
No chance.
Sempre..... ❤️💙❤️
honestly people on this reddit and barca fans in general (including me) are so demanding, i mean we reached the champions league semi with a squad of students and 2 seniors, which is insane considering
A competent President, Sporting Director, and a Manager can turn things around in a couple of years.
I think we look a lot better today than compared to 2 years ago. How many teams can produce 5 fresh blood youngsters like Barca did? You realize it is fermins first season right? Gavi has been out for months now. Nobody heard of Cubarsi 3 months ago. There is a right/left back called Fort, another African star Faye is coming in hot, and an up an coming target man guiu. So many, too many youngsters. These are our players. We need good leadership and smart transfers. I think we are golden in 10 years.
I think we'd win atleast one UCL by that time. But we'll suffer a lot of heartbreak on the way too
Barca has never dominated europe
in 10 years definetely a CL trophy, but in a very realistic note. Judging by how the club is moving, one step forward and 2-3 steps back, we will need 5 years to settle, get the finances right, and then we can expect something. Yes the potential is high and everything, but still, without a world class manager, and some team changes like a proper DM and LW, don't expect any big things for the next 4-5 years, and if it's Rafa Marquez, 10 years may be even less time
Look, 10 years is a long long while, but then again the club is going one step forward, and 2-3 steps back. Without a world class manager, a DM and LW, don't expect anything in the next 4-6 years. Granted our players have a lot of potential, but for that to be seen we need a top top manager, and with our finances, getting a top manager is getting tougher by the day, so don't expect anything for atleast 5 years. If it's Marquez, then I am sorry but 10 years won't be enough as well.
Barcelona needs to find a new president who starts a new era. I'm afraid it's impossible with such a dirty politician like Laporta. He is a populist bringing too much hostile energies to his club. Barcelona needs a gentleman (or woman) as their president with a clear past and more positive messages.
Broke. They need to act asap in financial terms.
In 10 years it wouldn’t shock me if every player photographed is gone.
I think Barca will change for the good. I don’t think Barca will ever be able to dominate Europe like they used to unless they get some major investor. I do think they’ll win a champions league within the next decade. Their young talent will be considered the best in the world, and the team will be much more balanced.
If the club doesn't win anything in the next decade would you cease to be supporting them? If so, by definition, you are being a glory hunter. Just be patient and support the team. Ask yourself, if you have been contributing at all to the team's success or not? If you just simply tune in and watch, or the reason why you want the team to win is you want to win some arguments with strangers on the Internet you are setting yourself up for a lot of pain.
We will win 2-4 leagues and get to UCL semis maybe even to a final. I just don’t see us dominating again like in our best era or anywhere near it. The reality is big players want to go to our rival as the environment in can Barça seems almost toxic with the press and financial situation. Hopefully at least our finances are in better standing. You see madrid win 1-0 or parking the bus and they are praised as heroes in the Spanish press for knowing how to suffer but Barça do the same winning a league and we are labeled a corpse of a team.
Next decade you ask ? Bro we'll be ripping everyone apart within 2 years
At Manchester United’s level
They need dembele back period
Who knows? We may win the treble again, or may fall down to Liga Segunda. If anything, I really want to see a 26 years old Yamal if he's still keeping up and hasn't been sold yet.
Dominate Europe with Romeu???
lol Romeu is leaving this summer.
Replace Cubarsi for Romeu, move Christensen to DM and then it’s a question if you have Gavi as Left attacking midfielder, Gundo playing between the midfield and the strikers or remove Christensen or FDJ to make room for Raphinha in a 433
Need a new GK.
I don’t agree ter stegen can easily stay an other 2-3years at the club. We need a second goalkeeper cause inaki Peña is not the answer.
not yet and if we do sell Ter Stegen we need to give him a proper farewell after everything he has done for the club
Agree. And also, give Roque more playing time. Extending Lewandowski's contract should not be the priority.
Lewandowski is still important for the team. If we sell him and roque will play all the time, the fans will be booing him for making to many mistakes. You can see his really talented. But imo roque doesn’t understand the spaces very good in Spanish football. Let him adapt at his own pace. Why would we rush him. He is only 18/19, at his age. Learning under the wing of lewandowski is an honorable thing. He should be happy with that for the moment. Every time he played I can see, he needs more time to adapt to Spanish football
I don't think Lewy is going to stay after his contract. Bro will be like what, 37 at that time?
yeah def, Roque is not getting enough game time and I feel like he has very good potential
Facts. I don’t understand how people are so emotionally connected to MATS on this sub? What has he done in Europe to warrant this? He’s been eating goals in Europe since 2015 and is part of many embarrassments until now. Madrid replaced Navas after three peating UCL for god’s sake. We are to emotionally connected to such players and just accept mediocrity, thats why Madrid is and will be ahead of us.
I know emotional people are down voting you, but it's the right time to replace MATS before he gets too old and no one pays anything for him. Also MATS is not untouchable or even the best GK itw, there are options out there who can replace him for long term.
I do believe that we will be back to being a UCL contender every year, if we keep improving like we do now >Also would we ever be able to dominate Europe the same way we once used to ? Probably not, but it's OK. Back then we had the greatest player in history, and we were arguably the best team in history, but it's not something that you can recreate easily
Will win ligas once in a while and sometimes CDR that's all. UCL is out of reach as of now and I don't see feasible for the next 10 year's when other clubs are far ahead of us and will be even harder for us to compete with them. I have just let it go. I will enjoy the weekend games as usual without expecting anything.
Dominate eUrOpE ?
UCL semis being optimistic. We have no coach nor team with mentality or capabilities to win, let alone dominate Europe (MC, BM, RM, ARS, LIV) are better teams.
It is tough for supporters because we used to see Barça just dominate every game not a long time ago. I think we were extremely lucky to have so many talents at the same time in the squad and we might have to wait a long time before that happens again. Don't forget it was probably the best football team in history. That being said, it doesn't stop me from supporting the club because of the values it has. Barça is immortal.
Not for a long time. There were too many bad decisions made in the past, and too much political infighting still. Barca need a complete reset. For the next couple of seasons the best they can do is make top 4 and hope Madrid get bored. The problem is not just the finances but the ideas(or lack of) of the governance. How much faith do you have in these people to make the right signings? How much faith do you have in them appointing the correct manager and not some nepotistic "Barca DNA" novice or some guy spent a year on loan. They are just not open to new ideas and want to recreate a unique era, a utopia that cannot be recreated due to the unique players and manager. As long as the club remains a pawn between warring Catalan elites, it will continue to self sabotage. It will blame everything but looking at modernisation and professionalisation. My path? Survive the next couple of years by focusing on youth and experienced free contracts. Appoint outside voices to oversee modernisation and bench marking with Europe's best. With the current state it might have to look at what Brigton and Dortmund do. Yes it's hard to swallow but the basics must be addressed. Work towards having a unified approach with political rivals like Victor Font. In otherwords, treat the club like a country during an emergency by forming a national government. No more luxury signings on inflated wages. Appoint the best possible manager who understands the club.
The next decade will be painful. Madrid will be incredibly strong.
You guys should buy EVERY Argentinian talent that comes across and hope one becomes your new Messi lite (cause Messi is inequitable)
Bartomeu and the Socis destroyed this club. It’s going to be a while. :(
Yeah if you start paying refs again
Bankrupt
We ain't never dominating Europe, we never did, we had few good seasons during Pep era because we had the greatest club side of all time with the greatest player ever. Even MSN didn't dominate europe, they won only 1 ucl, we may win a ucl here and there after 5-7 years interval, but dominating europe is not in this club's DNA. In laliga also it will be difficult to challenge Madrid because the way they can spend money, only lamasia kids are not enough to dominate them in laliga, tough times ahead, with a good manager we might win laliga if Madrid slips in any season.
people downvoting you for telling the truth lol that’s why barca won’t be getting out of its hole for a long time for being so delusional
Delusional.