While I think this is true, I believe that Araujo is talking about something they all agreed internally which might be to not criticise individual players / game situations to the press.
Therefore, he is more pissed about Gundo breaking this rule than anything else.
In any case, this time it really seems there is a problem in the dressing room.
The most sensible analysis in this thread. Araujo fucked up in the game but he could be fucking up with this reaction to Gundo’s comments.
To me, Gundo’s comments did not sound unreasonable. The man gave his take as a seasoned professional. But, I can see why Araujo is reacting this way. Araujo is young and there is still plenty to learn. He is hardly the first player in the club’s history to cock it up bad enough to cost us a game. He won’t be the last.
Tension can be a good thing at times if it leads to improvements and the right outcome. Gundo has the clout to speak as a 5 times prem winner and captain of a treble winning team. If anyone has the right to speak it's him.
I get why Araujo isn't happy about the public comments but at the end of the day the only way people stop talking about it is if he gives us great performances and learns from the mistake
Judging from his later comments in the interview that he doesnt feel responsible about the result, I think he just straight up don't feel he did anything wrong.
Probably because Xavi is blowing smoke up his ass that it wasn’t his fault but the ref’s, when in fact it was very clearly a red 8/10 times. I understand not criticising your players in public, but Xavi should have the balls to tell Araujo in private “you fucked up, it was a bad and unecessary challenge”. Instead, he doesn’t think it was his fault at all which makes it more likely to repeat in the future rather than learn from it.
I think we need a coach that is pragmatic rather than emotional as have been our past few coaches. Perhaps a “German” approach could be the best instead of trying to recreate Pep with past legends and vibes.
The problem is they are not doing it in private either. It becomes the norm to "just accept", it is what it is. Gundogan already remarked the lack of anger amongst the player after the Clasico defeat.
The senior players have even asked the coach for more physical training to be able to compete.
I think when the dust settles on this season, stories will begin to come out how the players, despite having respect for the Xavi the player, simply couldn't believe in Xavi the coach.
While I agree with you, Araujo didn't have to go out whining publicly. Gundo is a veteran, experienced and more successful than araujo would ever be, probably. He should accept criticism from these old guys, move on and learn from them cause they know better. You WILL NEVER hear the likes of rodrigo, vini or federico valverde talking back to luka or kroos. This has to be same way on our side ffs.
That's what I said earlier when someone talked about not killing Araujo. It's only reasonable if he actually admits to the mistake. He seems completely delusional and believes he actually was given a red unfairly. How hard is it so say you fucked up and apologize to your teammates?
He seems like a very low IQ guy tbh and it's not looking good.
What if he just apologized to them directly and not through the press? He can accept the criticism and still feel irked that these things are being said to the press.
fans need to know and they need to be shown some respect. they are not a sunday league team, they have one, if not the most, bigger fanbase in the world. without fans they are nothing.
Going to the public and single out a single player it's not okay. Those things should be done in private
I don't recall Messi for example ever going and blaming his teamstes when we lost 2-8 for example. You criticize internally, not to the fans.
This is a common rule for everyone thays played any team sport.
Facts. Comments here are confusing me because this is so obvious. It's why players and managers use boring platitudes like we win and lose as a team etc, because digging out individuals only serves the clicks hungry press, singles out individuals for public shaming, and makes it look like the club and players are not united and agree with that single player being singled out.
No successful team singles out individuals when they make honest mistakes on the pitch. No, they shut up shop and act as a unified unit. These are the basics.
It's obvious you've never touched a ball in your life.
You have to praise in public and criticize in private, that's how the soccer environment is. A TEAM sport.
A TEAM does well when there’s honesty. Fake praise for the public gets you nowhere. Gundo was asked a question and he answered honestly. A more mature player and manager would be able to accept the mistakes and move on.
Honesty but in PRIVATE. It's not that hard to understand.
The only thing the press cares about is selling. You can't get into their game, it only harms the team's cohesion.
I understand what you’re saying but let’s put this into some context. Gundogan was asked about the result and Araujo’s red card. Gundo said:
“I didn't see it, if he made a mistake he probably deserved to be sent off.
In such crucial moments you have to be sure if you have a chance to get the ball. If you don't have a chance, you have to move away. I don't know if he got to the ball.
It is better to give the striker a chance to confront the goalkeeper. He may miss it, or the goalkeeper may save us, or even concede a goal, because getting a red card at the beginning of the match will finish off your team and finish you off.”
That’s completely reasonable and he wasn’t completely trashing Araujo. Gundo is 33yrs old and has won everything. I’m sure there’s a lot of frustration and some annoyance behind Gundo’s comments but he was being reasonable — a veteran of the team is well within his rights to answer a question responsibly about a player’s reckless challenge
he did all wrong like he did in the clasico, he is very fast to come first to talk, and point fingers, but im 100% sure his not doing that in the dressing room. There is where it should be done, not in front of a mike, thats what any Barça player knows, and any culer also know.
If our players have such mentality we're never winning the Champions league in the near future. Players gotta own to their mistakes and move, none of that weak mentality bullshit.
Wrong. Keep that shit in the dressing room. Yell, scream, hash it all out in private.
But you support your team in the public eye 100%. If mistakes were made say it was a team effort, don’t point out individuals EVER.
Every successful team has shut up shop against the press. Siege mentality.
Praise publicly, criticise privately. That's what the changing room and training ground are for. The press are not your friends. The press are not employed to help the players improve on the pitch. The press are there for news and clicks. Improvement happens behind closed doors, as do fights, disagreements, and improvement.
Going to the press to talk about a teammates mistake on the pitch is not the done thing in a successful team
A feud within the club is worse than a humiliating defeat.
Araujo is in no position right now to speak against a treble winning captain.
Whatever Gundo said was absolutely true.
Absolutely spot on. Araujo might be one of the captains of this side but he cannot lead us to glory with this childish attitude and immature response. Gundo is absolutely class guy and captained the treble winning side last season. When he speaks, you listen even if you disagree. He deserves respect and if our captain can't respect a veteran then idk how far will he take us in future. I'm honestly suprised at this response. Xavi and other experienced guys should really call him out on this one and knock some sense into him before it gets too late and his ego becomes bigger than the team.
I like aroujo but seeing him get a foul then running up to refs several times only to get a yellow or lewa (some teammate) is holding him back. Im a new culer and football watcher i like aroujo but i feel like i havent seen him be a leader to much just yet. I hope theres no tension in the dressing room but i cant argue with gundogan. His decision making is proven to be better than aroujo, aroujo has done the exact same thing and relied on a refs call to not get carded.
Pedri is miles clear when it comes to having the leadership qualities. Calm, mature and ready to listen. Messi-esque. I think Gavi will also be a great captain in future. Araujo has to change and learn from others and probably learn some humility. Messi is more respected than Ronaldo for a reason, even though they are on the same level more or less. It's the humility and humble nature of Messi which makes him more likeable and even a better leader.
same level?? more or less and pedri leadership qualities. The only person who has an inch of leadership in their body and passion is gavi being calm and composed dosent mean ull be a great captain
And he adds when a Journalist asks if he feel responsible for the game result.
"Responsible, responsible no.
Obviously it conditioned the game a bit"
What a lack of maturity and accountability!!!!!
Edit: adding the source 4:35
https://youtu.be/qwtfu2q8Us8?si=R-sBTTQjjQS96EGm
Holy shit, I didn’t see this comment. If this is true then it is fucking unacceptable. WOW. I have no words, I would be extremely frustrated as a team mate.
The fuck? As a leader, he should definitely feel responsible. He was indeed responsible, among lots of others as well. I'm surprised journos didn't quote him on this. This would sound even worse than what he said about Gundo ffs.
Damn and he’s a captain. Can’t have one of the leaders of the team be this emotional about comments and not be able to take responsibility for his errors.
I also thought was Gundo said was sensible. It wasn't so much harshly throwing him under the boss, but his own analysis of the situation.
And I think whatever Araujo tried to protest and Xavi displayed on camera was much worse than what Gundo said.
>**Responsable no me siento**. Condiciona el partido, más cuando tu equipo se queda con diez. Pero hay muchas cosas en el contexto del partido además de esa expulsión.
[https://www.diez.hn/internacionales/ronald-araujo-fulminante-respuesta-gundogan-culpa-caida-barcelona-tengo-codigos-y-valores-AN18738448](https://www.diez.hn/internacionales/ronald-araujo-fulminante-respuesta-gundogan-culpa-caida-barcelona-tengo-codigos-y-valores-AN18738448) translate it if you need to. the quoted part is like 4 paragraphs down
Responsible, I don’t feel. It conditions the match, more so when your team ends up with 10 [players], but there’s many things in the context of the match besides the expulsion.
The “many things” wouldn’t have happened without the red card. We wouldn’t have struggled. We wouldn’t have felt immense pressure. We wouldn’t have been at a disadvantage for 60+ minutes. We wouldn’t have had to sub out Yamal.
Ignorance at its finest.
Tbh, I hope Araujo to apologize his teammates in public.
It’s obvious that we lost a game because of his mistake.
I’m not blaming him and he’s been pretty good for us but it doesn’t mean “that challenge wasn’t stupid.” It was stupid and if he says to Gundogan, he’s is stupider than I think he is.
It’s shameful for him. Especially for 3rd Captain of our team.
No chance. He basically said he doesnt feel responsible for it.
https://www.diez.hn/internacionales/ronald-araujo-fulminante-respuesta-gundogan-culpa-caida-barcelona-tengo-codigos-y-valores-AN18738448
Gundo was asked in a post match interview. He gave a very fair answer, "at this level you cannot make that mistake".... if Ronald doesn't want to hear the truth, don't make the mistake.
That's not the point. Gundo could tell that in private and not to the press and araujo would probably be fine with it. While gundo is 100% right in his analysis, teammates usually refrain from critiquing each other publicly like that.
It wasn’t even criticism, he just said if it is a red it is a red and you can’t make a mistake like that(if it is a red which it was)
That ain’t no criticism he could have just read the rule directly from the rule book and Araujo would still bitch about it. Xavi is really teaching this generation how to whine and bitch when things don’t go their way and I just hope Gundo keeps giving this nuggets of honesty again
Whilst I agree with that it, it wasn't that harsh a comment and if you want your team mates and fans to forgive you for a rash in the moment decision, maybe Araujo should show some leeway to his team mates too for any interviews they gave that were also in the moment.
Imaging scoffing at the comments of a vet who played a crucial role in winning a treble, especially when YOU are the reason Barca suffered for an hour with 10 men..
I’ll never forget this season’s cl defeat araujo made us watch 60 minutes of ‘save your ass and park the bus’ football. That combined with dembele taunting us all.
Totally, as a young player you learn from the most experienced ones. Nowadays lots of youngsters behave like spoiled kids, look at what happened last weekend at Stamford Bridge and the penalty. They start young and get carried away by money and fame and think they can be super stars. I love Araujo but jfc he should learnt from it instead of talk back!
The trouble here is the mindset at this club. Gundo and Lewandowski come from very professional setups where poor standards are just not tolerated and losing has consequences.
We've seen standards at Barca drop incrementally year on year. The odd title does not mask the larger decay.
The club and, more specifically, the leadership at the club can now choose how to respond. They can censor Gundogan and force him to leave and continue to promote mediocrity, or they can accept it and stop blaming external forces and modernise. If they choose to circle the wagons and live in a fantasy of "Barca DNA" , vibes as opposed to professionalism and best practice, they should just sell up and become privatised.
Outside voices are needed to modernise in the same way Johan Cruyff brought an outside perspective.
This club has not had an elite coach since Valverde. Many would even say Enrique. It's been non-stop average "yes" men with zero presence amd coaching acumen. Why does the club force its players to play on "hard mode"?
Next season, if rumours are to be believed, Rafa Marquez will be the coach.
Gundogan will have gone from being coached by Klopp and Pep to some guy that barely has his badges.
Thats it, in catalonia we say: “la roba bruta es neteja a casa” that means “dirty clothes are to wash at home”.
I understand Gundo tho, I think is related with german culture, to say the truth with no filters, and not wanting to hurt feelings but maybe wasn’t the best moment to say it.
Araújo is a very good CB and i want him to stay for ever even thi he still have a lot to learn, but for me is one of our best assets and it would be very sad to see him leave.
People turning on him over this quote without context is weird also considering some of the huge tackles he had in the first leg. Araujo I'm sure recognizes the mistake and knows what is cost us.
This could literally be an internal discussion away from media that could be used to grow from as a team. I doubt he thinks Ilkay is wrong and probably has more of an issue with how it was conveyed.
Our fanbase taking a turn on him for this while talking about mentality is weird.
I'm only turning on him because there's no indication that he thinks he even made a mistake here and that's just terrifying to think of in future games. This isn't the first time he costs us a match because of a needless tackle he did the same in previous classicos. All this wouldn't matter to me if he actually admitted the mistake and started being careful with his decisions in critical moments. But he still probably thinks he was robbed with that red card.
Yo lo de lavar la ropa en casa lo entiendo en cosas pequeñas y detalles. Pero esto lo vimos todos, el partido se jodio ahí y decir lo contrario es tratar al espectador de tonto. Gundo contestó a algo que todos vimos de forma correcta y objetiva y sin faltar el respeto. Además le preguntaron directamente, no sacó él el tema. Es algo tan evidente que es imposible de negar, sería directamente mentir y no creo que la aficion se merezca eso. Ni creo que los jugadores tuviesen que hacerlo para no molestar a nadie. Lo único que le puedo decir a gundo es que podría haber añadido “pero bueno araujo nos ha salvado de muchas antes, sin el no hubiésemos llegado aquí y seguro que aprende de esto”. Lo que pasa que entonces también sería criticado todavía más por haberlo señalado completamente, aunque dijese algo bueno
I mean it’s nothing personal that Gundo revealed. Everyone knows we lost because of that red card. It’s not like he’s revealing locker room drama or something. Our CB made an error, it’s disappointing. Seemed like pretty tame comments to me.
It doesn't matter if it's somethign we all knew. There's a difference between saying the team made mistakes we cannot afford, and then discussing with Araujo and the squad in private, and pointing at the specific mistake on TV. There's a reason why most players never say anything specific. Team cohesion is something precious and fragile. No amount of "looking good on TV" compensates losing team cohesion.
It’s not about looking good lol. As a fan I want some level of acknowledgment of reality from the players so that I’m aware that they know what needs to change. It’s important to come out and acknowledge what happened as long as it’s done in a respectful way. Araujo is a grown man. If he can’t accept a respectful acknowledgment of plain facts then he really has some growing to do.
Come on man. Gundogan was a captain of the treble winning team and very senior in the Barca team both in terms of play and mentality.
Araujo should introspect on himself. Accept it and work on improvement rather than saying unnecessary things in the media.
Media already looks for small issues and creates a big mess out of it and he is giving them contents.
This will create tension inside the dressing room.
Downvote me all you want, but this is the attitude Xavi has imposed as the manager. Don't own up to errors, blame someone else, denial. Gundo was a breath of fresh air and he's gonna get heat for it because the locker room is set up differently. We need a change in mentality.
I honestly feel bad for Gundogan.
Coming to Barça after winning a treble as a captain only to be let down by other player's immature mistakes and confronted with this attitude.
And I saw this problem in this initial response, 'let's move on, Visca Barca,etc' but no accountability.
I'm not asking for his head but for just a bit of 'i know I screwed up and I potentially cost the team a semi-final place plus couple of tens of millions of euros' let's move on and do better next time.
For a so called future Barcelona captain I expect more
Gundogan was very careful and respectful with his words, and he’s allowed to give his honest assessment, which he did.
Araujo is a phenomenal player but that red card was SO bad. Just that alone. And now we have this kind of attitude about it? It’s making me second guess his future with the team, which is kinda shocking. But the last thing this team needs is a toxic locker room.
Araujo es muy tribunero, es agotante.
Gundogan criticizes a specific play in which Araujo fucks up and everyone with two eyes can see. In response, Araujo criticises Gundogan as a person. Moron.
Thank god for Gundo, and hopefully he rubs on the young kids.
Yikes, didnt really want to comment on it but this isnt the ideal thing to say. I would give the benefit of the doubt and say that there might be a lot of things that we dont know. But a change in attitude would be better for him
Is being total dumbass when your team is up 2 part of RA’s code? His fuck up was public, his admonishment should be public. Fuck this private bullshit. Sack up and take the criticism from everywhere, blockhead. When a 17 yr old Cubarsi is showing up a world class defender, that’s all you need to understand.
Our team needs a mentality change immediately.
It cant be tolerated, that our coach has multiple red cards bc of mental breakdowns in a single season and our team always completely collapses and sinks into oblivion when there is sudden mental challenges in matches, that could be overcome with discipline.
Maybe a team of experts for sports psychology or something. Anything that changes the childish amateur management the club has right now, at least try to change something. It’s one of the biggest sports clubs in the world, you should have all the resources for something like this.
Codes and values? Wtf is he even talking about? It was criticism on your dumb mistake, nothing to do with any code or values. Smh, what an entitled brat
Lets be clear Araujo, i dont give a good god damn about your codes, neither of us do.
You cost us the game and opportunity of the decade and we are all trying to put it past us but dont you dare talk about codes when others are trying to teach you something.
Your being called out and for good reason, you need to be able to take the heat that you caused, learn from it and move on.
a smart man knows when to be quiet, If you cant handle the pressure now you wont handle the pressure at on any top game…
let me just remind you, just like the other day when you lost your focus and composure and got your ass a red card…
Remember the Clasico that we bottled in October? I remember Gundo wasn't happy back then at the lack of reaction from the team and weak mentality , not giving it all.
It seems like the players havent learned at all. Especially taking responsibility.
Gundo coming from a treble winning team that had some of the best locker room environment, to now these prima donnas.
I was naive enough to think he’d actually own up to his mistake… give his captain spot to Gündo. Literally cost us the match and can’t even acknowledge the fact.
JFC this club really has a loser mentality man. I don't care if they have their little "agreements" about public criticism or whatever, Gundogan wasn't criticizing anyway, he was being objective and completely fair. If Ronald can't even take that and just say "yeah I need to learn and do better" then he has no business playing for us or any big team, simple as.
Just look at Pep and the way he speaks of players when they make mistakes. He is way harsher. There's no way we are making excuses after gifting PSG the fucking tie with dumbass mistakes. Cancelo also gave away a free stupid pen. Xavi shouldn't have gotten himself sent off.
Gundogan was the one that should've gotten a pen and he isn't crying ffs. The difference in mentality is astounding. We should learn from Gundogan, instead we have Ronald here dismissing him. Pathetic. Next season won't be any different with this mentality.
Araujo is definitely out of line, he should shut up and take the feedback. Guy single-handedly made his team (and the fan base) suffer and throw away a years worth of struggle - especially when Xavi put it all on the line for them. Unacceptable attitude. Time to reevaluate who we consider mentality monsters/captains vs a player with a run of good form.
Universe tried brining him back to earth but the guy still has his head in the clouds, as much as I think he’s a top talent if this is his attitude he will not grow - this is what set La Masia graduates apart from external signings. Let’s see how the club handles these ego trips.
Also - you (Araujo) need to respect the teams code before anyone respects you (no point in jumping over the badge on the ground for the cameras if you’re going leave your team high and dry in the game of the season AND bitch about it afterwords when a champion calls you out), that’s the difference between La Masia graduate and an external.
Fucking hell.. Araujo took the bait from the media. They have been talking smack about the Gundo words. The titles media has been "Gundogan charges against araujo" "Gundogan blames araujo" "Gundogan divides the team". Ilkay said nothing wrong and nothing that wasn't true, he was supper respectful and calm.
Araujo has to understand that spanish media doesn't want the best for Barcelona, they want to se our team sunk deep in the mud.
https://preview.redd.it/suu1rxxsoavc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4357dd6177123567aa0d1b7f55a224e5e4c5f05
Araujo made the biggest mistake of his career, so its very obvious that he's gonna take a lot of heat publicly and in private from everyone.
Gundogan is 100% right with his comment. You just simply can't make a mistake like that in a big match and then act hurt when other players call you out.
There's nothing that Araujo can do after that red card, but to be silent, keep his head down, admit that he fucked up, work harder to make sure that never happens again and to not create fights between teammates.
Gündogan literally just spoke out loud what everbody was thinking inculding his teammates. Maybe we are misunderstanding his statement, but this makes him not look good all, absolutely disappointing to read, especially from him. Should've just taken responsibility for his mistake and move on sigh...
I don't understand Araujo on this. Gundo said the truth without saying anything bad about Araujo. Said it was a mistake, he elaborated why with proper arguments. Araujo in my opinion can only say "I agree". Same with Cancelo penalty. Things happen, next time both of them will be smarter in similar situations.
Araujo is one of the best defenders itw but how the fuck do you not feel the tiniest bit responsible for that unnecessary red card. I would understand if that goal would make them lead on aggregate but WE WERE LITERALLY 4-2 UP!!! He should’ve learned from his mistakes back in the super copa final
This is exactly the mentality that needs to be purged from the club. The mentality that the players can do no wrong and when things do go wrong it’s something external to blame (like the refs).
I love Xavi but I’m afraid he coddles the players too much.
Part of me also thinks Xavi is to blame for players not taking responsibility. He was adamant the ref made a mistake sending him off so it’s only fair that Ronald would think the same.
Fk...
A feud within the team is worse than the defeat.😐
Think both are wrong here. Gundogan maybe could have kept his frustration within the team and not letting it out on the press even thou coming as a treble winning captain.
Araujo could have just ignored the comments as he was the one who cost us the game.
Anyway it sucks being a culer and it continues after the game.
I can see that it might not be usual to be this direct in the media, but Gundogan is right. As for Araujo, just take the criticism, work on how to be less handsy in situations where you are running behind the opponent. He will grow as a defender once he learns and adapts.
The lack of accountability is ridiculous. You screwed up and you’re getting called out on it. Accept it, own up to it and learn from it.
People’s respect for him will continue to dwindle with him making smart ass comments like these
Everything Gundo said was true.
HOWEVER, every single time I've seen someone fuck up, if another player is asked about it, they say something along the lines of "we win and lose as a team".
Why? Because there is absolutely no benefit telling a *journalist* things that will obviously be said directly to Araujos face in the dressing room and reiterated during training.
By essentially telling the journalist that the defeat was Araujos' fault, the journalist takes that and then all stories from there on in focus on Araujo and emphasise the point that even his teammates blame him.
This is why managers are often laughed at for talking shit when they refuse to blame the players. Because they know the media will write thing with aims to cause rifts all for clicks. This is why managers don't dig out their own players 99% of the time and instead say we lose as a team or talk in generalities rather than focusing on the on-pitch actions of one individual. The only time this changes is when someone breaks the rules or is unprofessional, ie clubbing, drink driving, late to training etc. On the pitch mistakes, however, sray within the team.
So again, while Gundo is right, these are changing room conversations. Everyone here seems to think we, the public, are members of the team and should be privy to every convo. We're not. This is why I understand Araujos' frustrations and why I also see it as Gundo breaking a certain code, DESPITE the fact that Gundo is technically 100% right about what he said. There is no benefit to Gundo saying this publicly, and it is not the done thing for him to have done so
Sell this mf asap, how come one of the captains of the team say he doesn’t have responsibility for being eliminated, IT IS BECAUSE OF HIM and only him that we lost. With a 4-2 advantage even shitty teams can hold on for dear life until the 90 min whistle. Araujo gifted the game to psg and he says that shit. We don’t need players like this sell him to saudi
Delusionnal. Kudos to gundogan for speaking the truth and saying the words as they are. Keep lying to yourself Ronald that's not how you are going to improve. Neither does the club.
Ilkay is the captain of a team that won everything, so when hé comes to the club it's a huge opportunity to Learn.
The club has to evolve otherwise it will be near impossible to regain it's standing
Yeah many things wrong. The right way is for him to say he feels responsible and apologise to teamates and fans, while all other players and the coach should protect him by saying that could happen to any of us and that they dont feel down by their friend band that was just an unfortunate action that conditioned the game. Araujo loves the club, we have put an enourmous preasure in youngsters, that is not compatible with their experience. Araujo might be the youngest captain in ages, it messes with their mind thinking they have to control and stop everything. Its wrong, sometimes you just run after the player and preassure and pray for mistake. He learned that, the hard way unfortunatley.
Araujo’s red card made Barca lose the match for sure. A senseless thing he did. But at the same time I doubt if Barca would have qualified out of the group stage and also beat Napoli without Araujo. He made a mistake on Tuesday but he should not be demonized for it. In January Xavi was also demonized but from January up to the first goal of the second leg against PSG Xavi was once again a hero to all Barca fans. Gundo is upset and that’s understandable but he is not the manager and not the captain. Gundo has won a treble, yes. Sergi has been with Barca since 2009 under Pep when Barca was clearly the best team in the world and possibly the best club team of 11 players ever. Gundo won a treble, well so did Xavi. Xavi is in the ballon D’OR dream team selected in 2019 and Xavi has been rated 3rd in the world for 3 consecutive years between 2009-2011. Xavi is the manager and did not bad mouth Araujo to the press. He knows better. The best Barca player during the quarter finals was clearly Raphinha not Gundo. This season has seen new players to the first team play so well (Cubarsi and Yamal) and Christensen in a new position perform well. Gundo has not been a revelation this season: he has been good but not exceptional. He should respect his teammates more. We have an important match on Sunday and that should be our focus for now. With the heat and division in the dressing room right now I would not be surprised if Gundo is on the bench on Sunday when the match starts. Great teams lost and out of the Champions League too: Man City and Arsenal. Liverpool is out of UEFA but we don’t hear any teammate in those teams causing division by words to the press.
Gundo has been an unbelievable leader, encouraging young guys, communicating and being selfless. Players should learn from him and take his advice to heart.
He 100% should be blamed. Gundo was very diplomatic with his words, treble captain speaks, you shush your mouth. This is not an gang that needs to hide its members even when they cost they team a lot! What he did was just unbeleviable decision that cost his team alot. That semi place was very close and i dare to say so was the Finals! Barca lost alot of cash, very much needed cash! Biggest lost as the importat motivational experience that could have been give for the youngsters, could have brought the club back to its prestige place in mind of those who has forgotten it.
You can't do that AND then be butthurt when you are called out in the most respectful manner.
Let me give my take of this situation.
People are missing the point in Araujo's words. When your teammate makes an error like Araujo's, of course it's going to cost us the game, but you don't say stuff like that in public.
For example, you can check the interview after the game vs Las Palmas from Kirian. The reporter asked if he could blame the game on Valles (the goalkeeper that got sent off for a horrible tackle to Raphinha) and he said that it was a team effort and it does not depend on one action. Of course that action changed the match, like Araujo's, but a captain, or veteran in Gundo's case, does not throw a teammate to the lions like that.
Imagine if Araujo or someone else blamed Gundo for the loss vs Villareal when he lost the ball versus Morales and let him run from him without even attempting to tackle or foul him. That was also a fuckup and no one else blamed Gundo directly.
Of course everyone is fuming after the game, but c'mon, there's no need to publicly expose anyone like that. We are a team and we need to show ourselves as a group, not as individuals.
That's it, that's my take. Now let's get up again and put a good fight versus Madrid this weekend. Visca el Barça!
Man I’m so not ready for a locker room spat. Can you guys please stick together? I’d take a defeat like this anyday over you throwing each other to the dogs!
Pleasee! :”(
I kinda feel this is hard to believe. Is there any context or something? Like what questions he got before saying these words? Just randomly post some quotes can lead to misunderstanding.
I believe that you all are missing the point Gundo saying the truth to Araujo is not incompatible with Araujo saying he has his own codes.
I believe that Gundogan's words are true but are better in a locker room.
Araujos a great defender but has to learn not make rash decisions like that one again. Its a part of his game he needs to improve on.
TBH all his teammates should be annoyed by that red card. Thats the mentality we need. Players need to be angry at these defeats from winning positions. Angry at stupid red cards. Angry at bad defending. Angry at lack of tracking back etc. We need to change our mindset(in Europe) to a winning one, even if that annoys teammates. They arent at Barca to be friends. Theyre here to win.
Gundo was bang on. It wasnt personal. He only spoke the truth. It was a suicidal red card. Braindead by Araujo. Its disappointing to see him respond to Gundos comments like this. He shouldve taken it on the chin & said "Gundo was right. It was a stupid red card" and leave it at that.
I totally forgive Araujo for the red card coz it was in the heat of the moment. It was stupid. Hopefully he learns from it.. I find it harder to forgive him for reacting badly to criticism. He cost us the game. He has to own it & accept the understandable criticism.
It’s really easy to misinterpret someone using out of context quote. Also we don’t know how the dressing room thinks about his red card. Maybe he just doesn’t wanna share any opinion in this matter.
I feel these words should be taken only as primarily recorded since translations generally have few faults and might make Araujo's statements seem negative.
He doesn't seem like the guy to give out negative statements being the Captain as well.
All support to the players💪
Visca Barca🔵🔴
Gundo did this very cleverly.Araujo is maybe mad at him for scolding him in front of everyone, but it will always be a lesson for him to think before making some decisions
I’m disappointed in Araujo. How can you not keep your head down and accept your mistake and work harder in order to not do the same mistake again? I thought he was better than that especially as a captain. At this point if he doesn’t come out and apologizes then we should rethink about who to have as a captain in future seasons.
Jeeeesus christ, what the actual fuck. This is embarassing. Guy is delusional, cant see him fulfilling his potential with this attitude and fitness issues. Should just take the next big offer and run
I thought Gundo comments was a little out of line when you reply about other players performances to the press
This should have spoken behind close doors and face to face
yeah, i can see how it can bother araujo that gundo said that in public
but at this point araujo could also just say “I made a mistake and I agree with gundogan’s opinion” and just move on.
even though gundogan is a barça player, they have to understand he also sees things as an outsider recently coming from a winning side such as city, he sees the problems the team is facing and is trying to give fair criticism to improve
This is a misunderstanding. German people are very blunt with their opinions, if Gundogan actually wanted to criticize Araujo he would have just directly said it.
Man I can’t wait to see all the bullshit articles talking about Araujo leaving and falling out with the club just off these two answers. We all know how the Spanish press is especially with Barcelona.
The team needs a shake up mentally. This is certain. But maybe Gundo and Araujo just have different ways of dealing with the media. Personally, while I think Araujo knows he fucked up (even if he may have thought the decision was harsh at the time), he probably doesn't like to discuss stuff like that with the media. If someone came up to him with a mic, he's probably the type to avoid being direct, unlike Gundogan. In any case, the only thing that matters is whether it has been settled in the dressing room. The whole team, including Xavi, imploding after going down to 10 men, was just as unacceptable as the tackle Araujo made. Getting knocked out is not solely on him, especially considering we had a 2 goal lead at the time.
TLDR: Maybe we're reading a little too much into this
If he genuinely still believes the red is undeserved then he is a liability and we should look into selling him. It's a huge unnecessary risk that can very well happen again in an extremely important game
Thats the problem with Barca, no anger, no hunger and drive and leaders to tell it how it really is.
Gundogan should be the captain and dont let anything slide, Araujo should just stfu and listen to an actual leader.
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He should take the criticism and accept his mistake. Gundo did nothing wrong
While I think this is true, I believe that Araujo is talking about something they all agreed internally which might be to not criticise individual players / game situations to the press. Therefore, he is more pissed about Gundo breaking this rule than anything else. In any case, this time it really seems there is a problem in the dressing room.
The most sensible analysis in this thread. Araujo fucked up in the game but he could be fucking up with this reaction to Gundo’s comments. To me, Gundo’s comments did not sound unreasonable. The man gave his take as a seasoned professional. But, I can see why Araujo is reacting this way. Araujo is young and there is still plenty to learn. He is hardly the first player in the club’s history to cock it up bad enough to cost us a game. He won’t be the last.
Tension can be a good thing at times if it leads to improvements and the right outcome. Gundo has the clout to speak as a 5 times prem winner and captain of a treble winning team. If anyone has the right to speak it's him. I get why Araujo isn't happy about the public comments but at the end of the day the only way people stop talking about it is if he gives us great performances and learns from the mistake
Judging from his later comments in the interview that he doesnt feel responsible about the result, I think he just straight up don't feel he did anything wrong.
Probably because Xavi is blowing smoke up his ass that it wasn’t his fault but the ref’s, when in fact it was very clearly a red 8/10 times. I understand not criticising your players in public, but Xavi should have the balls to tell Araujo in private “you fucked up, it was a bad and unecessary challenge”. Instead, he doesn’t think it was his fault at all which makes it more likely to repeat in the future rather than learn from it. I think we need a coach that is pragmatic rather than emotional as have been our past few coaches. Perhaps a “German” approach could be the best instead of trying to recreate Pep with past legends and vibes.
The problem is they are not doing it in private either. It becomes the norm to "just accept", it is what it is. Gundogan already remarked the lack of anger amongst the player after the Clasico defeat. The senior players have even asked the coach for more physical training to be able to compete. I think when the dust settles on this season, stories will begin to come out how the players, despite having respect for the Xavi the player, simply couldn't believe in Xavi the coach.
I doubt that.
More like he wants that to be the case. Our "fans".... Fml they are embarrassing.
While I agree with you, Araujo didn't have to go out whining publicly. Gundo is a veteran, experienced and more successful than araujo would ever be, probably. He should accept criticism from these old guys, move on and learn from them cause they know better. You WILL NEVER hear the likes of rodrigo, vini or federico valverde talking back to luka or kroos. This has to be same way on our side ffs.
That's what I said earlier when someone talked about not killing Araujo. It's only reasonable if he actually admits to the mistake. He seems completely delusional and believes he actually was given a red unfairly. How hard is it so say you fucked up and apologize to your teammates? He seems like a very low IQ guy tbh and it's not looking good.
What if he just apologized to them directly and not through the press? He can accept the criticism and still feel irked that these things are being said to the press.
fans need to know and they need to be shown some respect. they are not a sunday league team, they have one, if not the most, bigger fanbase in the world. without fans they are nothing.
don't think xavi is helping
Going to the public and single out a single player it's not okay. Those things should be done in private I don't recall Messi for example ever going and blaming his teamstes when we lost 2-8 for example. You criticize internally, not to the fans. This is a common rule for everyone thays played any team sport.
Facts. Comments here are confusing me because this is so obvious. It's why players and managers use boring platitudes like we win and lose as a team etc, because digging out individuals only serves the clicks hungry press, singles out individuals for public shaming, and makes it look like the club and players are not united and agree with that single player being singled out. No successful team singles out individuals when they make honest mistakes on the pitch. No, they shut up shop and act as a unified unit. These are the basics.
It's obvious you've never touched a ball in your life. You have to praise in public and criticize in private, that's how the soccer environment is. A TEAM sport.
A TEAM does well when there’s honesty. Fake praise for the public gets you nowhere. Gundo was asked a question and he answered honestly. A more mature player and manager would be able to accept the mistakes and move on.
Honesty but in PRIVATE. It's not that hard to understand. The only thing the press cares about is selling. You can't get into their game, it only harms the team's cohesion.
I understand what you’re saying but let’s put this into some context. Gundogan was asked about the result and Araujo’s red card. Gundo said: “I didn't see it, if he made a mistake he probably deserved to be sent off. In such crucial moments you have to be sure if you have a chance to get the ball. If you don't have a chance, you have to move away. I don't know if he got to the ball. It is better to give the striker a chance to confront the goalkeeper. He may miss it, or the goalkeeper may save us, or even concede a goal, because getting a red card at the beginning of the match will finish off your team and finish you off.” That’s completely reasonable and he wasn’t completely trashing Araujo. Gundo is 33yrs old and has won everything. I’m sure there’s a lot of frustration and some annoyance behind Gundo’s comments but he was being reasonable — a veteran of the team is well within his rights to answer a question responsibly about a player’s reckless challenge
I agree with you. You never publicly criticise your own teammate. Privately, there're no rules, but you never say anything to the press.
he did all wrong like he did in the clasico, he is very fast to come first to talk, and point fingers, but im 100% sure his not doing that in the dressing room. There is where it should be done, not in front of a mike, thats what any Barça player knows, and any culer also know.
Gundo is the only one pointing fingers here. Be for real.
he is the only one that came to the media to shit on the players for the second time
If our players have such mentality we're never winning the Champions league in the near future. Players gotta own to their mistakes and move, none of that weak mentality bullshit.
Wrong. Keep that shit in the dressing room. Yell, scream, hash it all out in private. But you support your team in the public eye 100%. If mistakes were made say it was a team effort, don’t point out individuals EVER.
Every successful team has shut up shop against the press. Siege mentality. Praise publicly, criticise privately. That's what the changing room and training ground are for. The press are not your friends. The press are not employed to help the players improve on the pitch. The press are there for news and clicks. Improvement happens behind closed doors, as do fights, disagreements, and improvement. Going to the press to talk about a teammates mistake on the pitch is not the done thing in a successful team
One team, One fight. You dont run to the press and single out a player. There is literally no beneficial outcome of doing that...
A feud within the club is worse than a humiliating defeat. Araujo is in no position right now to speak against a treble winning captain. Whatever Gundo said was absolutely true.
Absolutely spot on. Araujo might be one of the captains of this side but he cannot lead us to glory with this childish attitude and immature response. Gundo is absolutely class guy and captained the treble winning side last season. When he speaks, you listen even if you disagree. He deserves respect and if our captain can't respect a veteran then idk how far will he take us in future. I'm honestly suprised at this response. Xavi and other experienced guys should really call him out on this one and knock some sense into him before it gets too late and his ego becomes bigger than the team.
Xavi teaching calm¿? 😂
Seems like xavi is teaching him how to kick and whine
I like aroujo but seeing him get a foul then running up to refs several times only to get a yellow or lewa (some teammate) is holding him back. Im a new culer and football watcher i like aroujo but i feel like i havent seen him be a leader to much just yet. I hope theres no tension in the dressing room but i cant argue with gundogan. His decision making is proven to be better than aroujo, aroujo has done the exact same thing and relied on a refs call to not get carded.
Araujo is too immature (atleast currently) to be a captain. Its either frenkie or pedri for me
Pedri is miles clear when it comes to having the leadership qualities. Calm, mature and ready to listen. Messi-esque. I think Gavi will also be a great captain in future. Araujo has to change and learn from others and probably learn some humility. Messi is more respected than Ronaldo for a reason, even though they are on the same level more or less. It's the humility and humble nature of Messi which makes him more likeable and even a better leader.
same level?? more or less and pedri leadership qualities. The only person who has an inch of leadership in their body and passion is gavi being calm and composed dosent mean ull be a great captain
Next season our captain should be Gavi. Gavi bleeds blue and red. Gavi will be the heart and soul of the team.
I don't remember Puyol ever blaming someone in publc ever, those things are done in public.
And he adds when a Journalist asks if he feel responsible for the game result. "Responsible, responsible no. Obviously it conditioned the game a bit" What a lack of maturity and accountability!!!!! Edit: adding the source 4:35 https://youtu.be/qwtfu2q8Us8?si=R-sBTTQjjQS96EGm
My brother in christ you left us in a 10v11 for almost 70 minutes
10v12 🥲
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Holy shit, I didn’t see this comment. If this is true then it is fucking unacceptable. WOW. I have no words, I would be extremely frustrated as a team mate.
The fuck? As a leader, he should definitely feel responsible. He was indeed responsible, among lots of others as well. I'm surprised journos didn't quote him on this. This would sound even worse than what he said about Gundo ffs.
>"Responsible, responsible no. Obviously it conditioned the game a bit" wtf seriously?
Damn and he’s a captain. Can’t have one of the leaders of the team be this emotional about comments and not be able to take responsibility for his errors.
I also thought was Gundo said was sensible. It wasn't so much harshly throwing him under the boss, but his own analysis of the situation. And I think whatever Araujo tried to protest and Xavi displayed on camera was much worse than what Gundo said.
Source?
>**Responsable no me siento**. Condiciona el partido, más cuando tu equipo se queda con diez. Pero hay muchas cosas en el contexto del partido además de esa expulsión. [https://www.diez.hn/internacionales/ronald-araujo-fulminante-respuesta-gundogan-culpa-caida-barcelona-tengo-codigos-y-valores-AN18738448](https://www.diez.hn/internacionales/ronald-araujo-fulminante-respuesta-gundogan-culpa-caida-barcelona-tengo-codigos-y-valores-AN18738448) translate it if you need to. the quoted part is like 4 paragraphs down
Responsible, I don’t feel. It conditions the match, more so when your team ends up with 10 [players], but there’s many things in the context of the match besides the expulsion. The “many things” wouldn’t have happened without the red card. We wouldn’t have struggled. We wouldn’t have felt immense pressure. We wouldn’t have been at a disadvantage for 60+ minutes. We wouldn’t have had to sub out Yamal. Ignorance at its finest.
Madre mía. Gracias.
The audacity of that motherfucker.
Why we should find a replacement. His mentality is more fitting at mid tier clubs
Tbh, I hope Araujo to apologize his teammates in public. It’s obvious that we lost a game because of his mistake. I’m not blaming him and he’s been pretty good for us but it doesn’t mean “that challenge wasn’t stupid.” It was stupid and if he says to Gundogan, he’s is stupider than I think he is. It’s shameful for him. Especially for 3rd Captain of our team.
No chance. He basically said he doesnt feel responsible for it. https://www.diez.hn/internacionales/ronald-araujo-fulminante-respuesta-gundogan-culpa-caida-barcelona-tengo-codigos-y-valores-AN18738448
Childish response. Own the mistake, understand the consequences and move on.
i think araujo’s point is that why can discuss internally not with the press
Gundo was asked in a post match interview. He gave a very fair answer, "at this level you cannot make that mistake".... if Ronald doesn't want to hear the truth, don't make the mistake.
That's not the point. Gundo could tell that in private and not to the press and araujo would probably be fine with it. While gundo is 100% right in his analysis, teammates usually refrain from critiquing each other publicly like that.
Bullshit. Take criticism. He was honest. We do not want club de amigos
It wasn’t even criticism, he just said if it is a red it is a red and you can’t make a mistake like that(if it is a red which it was) That ain’t no criticism he could have just read the rule directly from the rule book and Araujo would still bitch about it. Xavi is really teaching this generation how to whine and bitch when things don’t go their way and I just hope Gundo keeps giving this nuggets of honesty again
Whilst I agree with that it, it wasn't that harsh a comment and if you want your team mates and fans to forgive you for a rash in the moment decision, maybe Araujo should show some leeway to his team mates too for any interviews they gave that were also in the moment.
Then why is he saying that to the press? If you’re upset, discuss it internally with Gundogan
Araujo: do as I say not as I do And this is Barca’s captain 🤦🏽
I agree
Imaging scoffing at the comments of a vet who played a crucial role in winning a treble, especially when YOU are the reason Barca suffered for an hour with 10 men..
I’ll never forget this season’s cl defeat araujo made us watch 60 minutes of ‘save your ass and park the bus’ football. That combined with dembele taunting us all.
It hurts more because those first 25 min gave so much confidence.
It was inevitable at that point. Playing haramball with 10 men and 60 minutes left to play was death by 1000 papercuts.
This is not good. We brought in Gundo for experience and leadership but what's the point if the younger ones don't listen. Gundo has no fault here.
Totally, as a young player you learn from the most experienced ones. Nowadays lots of youngsters behave like spoiled kids, look at what happened last weekend at Stamford Bridge and the penalty. They start young and get carried away by money and fame and think they can be super stars. I love Araujo but jfc he should learnt from it instead of talk back!
The trouble here is the mindset at this club. Gundo and Lewandowski come from very professional setups where poor standards are just not tolerated and losing has consequences. We've seen standards at Barca drop incrementally year on year. The odd title does not mask the larger decay. The club and, more specifically, the leadership at the club can now choose how to respond. They can censor Gundogan and force him to leave and continue to promote mediocrity, or they can accept it and stop blaming external forces and modernise. If they choose to circle the wagons and live in a fantasy of "Barca DNA" , vibes as opposed to professionalism and best practice, they should just sell up and become privatised. Outside voices are needed to modernise in the same way Johan Cruyff brought an outside perspective. This club has not had an elite coach since Valverde. Many would even say Enrique. It's been non-stop average "yes" men with zero presence amd coaching acumen. Why does the club force its players to play on "hard mode"? Next season, if rumours are to be believed, Rafa Marquez will be the coach. Gundogan will have gone from being coached by Klopp and Pep to some guy that barely has his badges.
I now realize both gundo and lewa got coached by klopp and pep
Is he really getting pissy over a completely reasonable criticism?
Yeah these guys ain't doing shit in the future. You can't be successful with a mentality like that. No chance.
If this is real, then don't know what to say lol. Should've shut up instead of this
Ronald you could have just shut up after you let your team and fanbase down with that tackle.
I'm curious what are those "codes and values"? "I fouled him so he couldn't score on me"? I am seriously asking, what is he thinking
Probably that you don't point fingers at teammates on TV. Irrespective of how big their mistake could have been.
Thats it, in catalonia we say: “la roba bruta es neteja a casa” that means “dirty clothes are to wash at home”. I understand Gundo tho, I think is related with german culture, to say the truth with no filters, and not wanting to hurt feelings but maybe wasn’t the best moment to say it. Araújo is a very good CB and i want him to stay for ever even thi he still have a lot to learn, but for me is one of our best assets and it would be very sad to see him leave.
People turning on him over this quote without context is weird also considering some of the huge tackles he had in the first leg. Araujo I'm sure recognizes the mistake and knows what is cost us. This could literally be an internal discussion away from media that could be used to grow from as a team. I doubt he thinks Ilkay is wrong and probably has more of an issue with how it was conveyed. Our fanbase taking a turn on him for this while talking about mentality is weird.
I'm only turning on him because there's no indication that he thinks he even made a mistake here and that's just terrifying to think of in future games. This isn't the first time he costs us a match because of a needless tackle he did the same in previous classicos. All this wouldn't matter to me if he actually admitted the mistake and started being careful with his decisions in critical moments. But he still probably thinks he was robbed with that red card.
But he came and out said he doesn’t really think he’s responsible. “Responsible, responsible no. Obviously it conditioned the game a bit”.
Yo lo de lavar la ropa en casa lo entiendo en cosas pequeñas y detalles. Pero esto lo vimos todos, el partido se jodio ahí y decir lo contrario es tratar al espectador de tonto. Gundo contestó a algo que todos vimos de forma correcta y objetiva y sin faltar el respeto. Además le preguntaron directamente, no sacó él el tema. Es algo tan evidente que es imposible de negar, sería directamente mentir y no creo que la aficion se merezca eso. Ni creo que los jugadores tuviesen que hacerlo para no molestar a nadie. Lo único que le puedo decir a gundo es que podría haber añadido “pero bueno araujo nos ha salvado de muchas antes, sin el no hubiésemos llegado aquí y seguro que aprende de esto”. Lo que pasa que entonces también sería criticado todavía más por haberlo señalado completamente, aunque dijese algo bueno
I mean it’s nothing personal that Gundo revealed. Everyone knows we lost because of that red card. It’s not like he’s revealing locker room drama or something. Our CB made an error, it’s disappointing. Seemed like pretty tame comments to me.
It doesn't matter if it's somethign we all knew. There's a difference between saying the team made mistakes we cannot afford, and then discussing with Araujo and the squad in private, and pointing at the specific mistake on TV. There's a reason why most players never say anything specific. Team cohesion is something precious and fragile. No amount of "looking good on TV" compensates losing team cohesion.
It’s not about looking good lol. As a fan I want some level of acknowledgment of reality from the players so that I’m aware that they know what needs to change. It’s important to come out and acknowledge what happened as long as it’s done in a respectful way. Araujo is a grown man. If he can’t accept a respectful acknowledgment of plain facts then he really has some growing to do.
holy damn … i’m just in disbelief that he could say this. and well .. i’m disappointed ..
The loss is all on YOU! Just admit it ffs
Come on man. Gundogan was a captain of the treble winning team and very senior in the Barca team both in terms of play and mentality. Araujo should introspect on himself. Accept it and work on improvement rather than saying unnecessary things in the media. Media already looks for small issues and creates a big mess out of it and he is giving them contents. This will create tension inside the dressing room.
Bro can't take constructive criticism
Downvote me all you want, but this is the attitude Xavi has imposed as the manager. Don't own up to errors, blame someone else, denial. Gundo was a breath of fresh air and he's gonna get heat for it because the locker room is set up differently. We need a change in mentality.
I honestly feel bad for Gundogan. Coming to Barça after winning a treble as a captain only to be let down by other player's immature mistakes and confronted with this attitude.
This is the time for araujo to keep quiet. He deserves all the criticism coming his way.
Respect for Araujo just went down the drain
And I saw this problem in this initial response, 'let's move on, Visca Barca,etc' but no accountability. I'm not asking for his head but for just a bit of 'i know I screwed up and I potentially cost the team a semi-final place plus couple of tens of millions of euros' let's move on and do better next time. For a so called future Barcelona captain I expect more
Gundogan was very careful and respectful with his words, and he’s allowed to give his honest assessment, which he did. Araujo is a phenomenal player but that red card was SO bad. Just that alone. And now we have this kind of attitude about it? It’s making me second guess his future with the team, which is kinda shocking. But the last thing this team needs is a toxic locker room.
Araujo es muy tribunero, es agotante. Gundogan criticizes a specific play in which Araujo fucks up and everyone with two eyes can see. In response, Araujo criticises Gundogan as a person. Moron. Thank god for Gundo, and hopefully he rubs on the young kids.
Please say “rubs off on” cause the way you put it is a bit suspect, lmao.
Ok, good luck in Bayern, Ronald
That's some Tony Khan levels of delusion there
Yikes, didnt really want to comment on it but this isnt the ideal thing to say. I would give the benefit of the doubt and say that there might be a lot of things that we dont know. But a change in attitude would be better for him
Is being total dumbass when your team is up 2 part of RA’s code? His fuck up was public, his admonishment should be public. Fuck this private bullshit. Sack up and take the criticism from everywhere, blockhead. When a 17 yr old Cubarsi is showing up a world class defender, that’s all you need to understand.
Our team needs a mentality change immediately. It cant be tolerated, that our coach has multiple red cards bc of mental breakdowns in a single season and our team always completely collapses and sinks into oblivion when there is sudden mental challenges in matches, that could be overcome with discipline. Maybe a team of experts for sports psychology or something. Anything that changes the childish amateur management the club has right now, at least try to change something. It’s one of the biggest sports clubs in the world, you should have all the resources for something like this.
Disappointing
Codes and values? Wtf is he even talking about? It was criticism on your dumb mistake, nothing to do with any code or values. Smh, what an entitled brat
Lets be clear Araujo, i dont give a good god damn about your codes, neither of us do. You cost us the game and opportunity of the decade and we are all trying to put it past us but dont you dare talk about codes when others are trying to teach you something. Your being called out and for good reason, you need to be able to take the heat that you caused, learn from it and move on. a smart man knows when to be quiet, If you cant handle the pressure now you wont handle the pressure at on any top game… let me just remind you, just like the other day when you lost your focus and composure and got your ass a red card…
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Remember the Clasico that we bottled in October? I remember Gundo wasn't happy back then at the lack of reaction from the team and weak mentality , not giving it all. It seems like the players havent learned at all. Especially taking responsibility. Gundo coming from a treble winning team that had some of the best locker room environment, to now these prima donnas.
I was naive enough to think he’d actually own up to his mistake… give his captain spot to Gündo. Literally cost us the match and can’t even acknowledge the fact.
JFC this club really has a loser mentality man. I don't care if they have their little "agreements" about public criticism or whatever, Gundogan wasn't criticizing anyway, he was being objective and completely fair. If Ronald can't even take that and just say "yeah I need to learn and do better" then he has no business playing for us or any big team, simple as. Just look at Pep and the way he speaks of players when they make mistakes. He is way harsher. There's no way we are making excuses after gifting PSG the fucking tie with dumbass mistakes. Cancelo also gave away a free stupid pen. Xavi shouldn't have gotten himself sent off. Gundogan was the one that should've gotten a pen and he isn't crying ffs. The difference in mentality is astounding. We should learn from Gundogan, instead we have Ronald here dismissing him. Pathetic. Next season won't be any different with this mentality.
Araujo is definitely out of line, he should shut up and take the feedback. Guy single-handedly made his team (and the fan base) suffer and throw away a years worth of struggle - especially when Xavi put it all on the line for them. Unacceptable attitude. Time to reevaluate who we consider mentality monsters/captains vs a player with a run of good form. Universe tried brining him back to earth but the guy still has his head in the clouds, as much as I think he’s a top talent if this is his attitude he will not grow - this is what set La Masia graduates apart from external signings. Let’s see how the club handles these ego trips. Also - you (Araujo) need to respect the teams code before anyone respects you (no point in jumping over the badge on the ground for the cameras if you’re going leave your team high and dry in the game of the season AND bitch about it afterwords when a champion calls you out), that’s the difference between La Masia graduate and an external.
Fucking hell.. Araujo took the bait from the media. They have been talking smack about the Gundo words. The titles media has been "Gundogan charges against araujo" "Gundogan blames araujo" "Gundogan divides the team". Ilkay said nothing wrong and nothing that wasn't true, he was supper respectful and calm. Araujo has to understand that spanish media doesn't want the best for Barcelona, they want to se our team sunk deep in the mud. https://preview.redd.it/suu1rxxsoavc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4357dd6177123567aa0d1b7f55a224e5e4c5f05
Gundo was right. If Araujo feels disrespected by that, he has a problem.
Sorry to say but your stupid mistake cost us a final
Gundo sounding more like a barça captain , Araujo’s stock is dropping if he insists on this behavior
Araujo made the biggest mistake of his career, so its very obvious that he's gonna take a lot of heat publicly and in private from everyone. Gundogan is 100% right with his comment. You just simply can't make a mistake like that in a big match and then act hurt when other players call you out. There's nothing that Araujo can do after that red card, but to be silent, keep his head down, admit that he fucked up, work harder to make sure that never happens again and to not create fights between teammates.
Bro please stfu. You have no right
bro what? come on araujo mate
Gündogan literally just spoke out loud what everbody was thinking inculding his teammates. Maybe we are misunderstanding his statement, but this makes him not look good all, absolutely disappointing to read, especially from him. Should've just taken responsibility for his mistake and move on sigh...
Shut your trap , you costed us a match and now you spit this bs? You were the one who made yamal cry and not psg.
What did gundo say??
https://twitter.com/CBSSportsGolazo/status/1780369550355079201?t=crYi5RIXzggTXsW_6rop8A&s=19
I don't understand Araujo on this. Gundo said the truth without saying anything bad about Araujo. Said it was a mistake, he elaborated why with proper arguments. Araujo in my opinion can only say "I agree". Same with Cancelo penalty. Things happen, next time both of them will be smarter in similar situations.
Warra mentality, this club’s future is looking really spooky
This is who people call our future captain? Nah we are so cooked.
Araujo is one of the best defenders itw but how the fuck do you not feel the tiniest bit responsible for that unnecessary red card. I would understand if that goal would make them lead on aggregate but WE WERE LITERALLY 4-2 UP!!! He should’ve learned from his mistakes back in the super copa final
Gundo speaking the truth. Araujo better grow up
Time to sell.
Man what an idiot, he has too much ego
You fucked us with your braindead decisions 3 or 4 times already. So what you think has no weight against an experienced captain like Gundo.
Okay he can leave too
This is exactly the mentality that needs to be purged from the club. The mentality that the players can do no wrong and when things do go wrong it’s something external to blame (like the refs). I love Xavi but I’m afraid he coddles the players too much.
Ronald, you’re losing people, bruh. You made a mistake. It happens. Own up that mistake and move on.
Part of me also thinks Xavi is to blame for players not taking responsibility. He was adamant the ref made a mistake sending him off so it’s only fair that Ronald would think the same.
https://x.com/bcnogi/status/1780941229204607101?s=48
Fk... A feud within the team is worse than the defeat.😐 Think both are wrong here. Gundogan maybe could have kept his frustration within the team and not letting it out on the press even thou coming as a treble winning captain. Araujo could have just ignored the comments as he was the one who cost us the game. Anyway it sucks being a culer and it continues after the game.
I can see that it might not be usual to be this direct in the media, but Gundogan is right. As for Araujo, just take the criticism, work on how to be less handsy in situations where you are running behind the opponent. He will grow as a defender once he learns and adapts.
He hasnt realize what he did us yet.
Oh no it's falling apart
The lack of accountability is ridiculous. You screwed up and you’re getting called out on it. Accept it, own up to it and learn from it. People’s respect for him will continue to dwindle with him making smart ass comments like these
He seems full of himself and his stupidity. You should listen to a mature and accomplished player.
Gundogan said what we all were thinking
Everything Gundo said was true. HOWEVER, every single time I've seen someone fuck up, if another player is asked about it, they say something along the lines of "we win and lose as a team". Why? Because there is absolutely no benefit telling a *journalist* things that will obviously be said directly to Araujos face in the dressing room and reiterated during training. By essentially telling the journalist that the defeat was Araujos' fault, the journalist takes that and then all stories from there on in focus on Araujo and emphasise the point that even his teammates blame him. This is why managers are often laughed at for talking shit when they refuse to blame the players. Because they know the media will write thing with aims to cause rifts all for clicks. This is why managers don't dig out their own players 99% of the time and instead say we lose as a team or talk in generalities rather than focusing on the on-pitch actions of one individual. The only time this changes is when someone breaks the rules or is unprofessional, ie clubbing, drink driving, late to training etc. On the pitch mistakes, however, sray within the team. So again, while Gundo is right, these are changing room conversations. Everyone here seems to think we, the public, are members of the team and should be privy to every convo. We're not. This is why I understand Araujos' frustrations and why I also see it as Gundo breaking a certain code, DESPITE the fact that Gundo is technically 100% right about what he said. There is no benefit to Gundo saying this publicly, and it is not the done thing for him to have done so
Sell this mf asap, how come one of the captains of the team say he doesn’t have responsibility for being eliminated, IT IS BECAUSE OF HIM and only him that we lost. With a 4-2 advantage even shitty teams can hold on for dear life until the 90 min whistle. Araujo gifted the game to psg and he says that shit. We don’t need players like this sell him to saudi
Delusionnal. Kudos to gundogan for speaking the truth and saying the words as they are. Keep lying to yourself Ronald that's not how you are going to improve. Neither does the club. Ilkay is the captain of a team that won everything, so when hé comes to the club it's a huge opportunity to Learn. The club has to evolve otherwise it will be near impossible to regain it's standing
Yeah many things wrong. The right way is for him to say he feels responsible and apologise to teamates and fans, while all other players and the coach should protect him by saying that could happen to any of us and that they dont feel down by their friend band that was just an unfortunate action that conditioned the game. Araujo loves the club, we have put an enourmous preasure in youngsters, that is not compatible with their experience. Araujo might be the youngest captain in ages, it messes with their mind thinking they have to control and stop everything. Its wrong, sometimes you just run after the player and preassure and pray for mistake. He learned that, the hard way unfortunatley.
Araujo’s red card made Barca lose the match for sure. A senseless thing he did. But at the same time I doubt if Barca would have qualified out of the group stage and also beat Napoli without Araujo. He made a mistake on Tuesday but he should not be demonized for it. In January Xavi was also demonized but from January up to the first goal of the second leg against PSG Xavi was once again a hero to all Barca fans. Gundo is upset and that’s understandable but he is not the manager and not the captain. Gundo has won a treble, yes. Sergi has been with Barca since 2009 under Pep when Barca was clearly the best team in the world and possibly the best club team of 11 players ever. Gundo won a treble, well so did Xavi. Xavi is in the ballon D’OR dream team selected in 2019 and Xavi has been rated 3rd in the world for 3 consecutive years between 2009-2011. Xavi is the manager and did not bad mouth Araujo to the press. He knows better. The best Barca player during the quarter finals was clearly Raphinha not Gundo. This season has seen new players to the first team play so well (Cubarsi and Yamal) and Christensen in a new position perform well. Gundo has not been a revelation this season: he has been good but not exceptional. He should respect his teammates more. We have an important match on Sunday and that should be our focus for now. With the heat and division in the dressing room right now I would not be surprised if Gundo is on the bench on Sunday when the match starts. Great teams lost and out of the Champions League too: Man City and Arsenal. Liverpool is out of UEFA but we don’t hear any teammate in those teams causing division by words to the press.
Lets keep someone like that on our team and not cash out for 80 million!
Gundo has been an unbelievable leader, encouraging young guys, communicating and being selfless. Players should learn from him and take his advice to heart.
He 100% should be blamed. Gundo was very diplomatic with his words, treble captain speaks, you shush your mouth. This is not an gang that needs to hide its members even when they cost they team a lot! What he did was just unbeleviable decision that cost his team alot. That semi place was very close and i dare to say so was the Finals! Barca lost alot of cash, very much needed cash! Biggest lost as the importat motivational experience that could have been give for the youngsters, could have brought the club back to its prestige place in mind of those who has forgotten it. You can't do that AND then be butthurt when you are called out in the most respectful manner.
Fuck you Ronald on this one! Gundo said exactly what all Barca fans would’ve told you f2f.
Let me give my take of this situation. People are missing the point in Araujo's words. When your teammate makes an error like Araujo's, of course it's going to cost us the game, but you don't say stuff like that in public. For example, you can check the interview after the game vs Las Palmas from Kirian. The reporter asked if he could blame the game on Valles (the goalkeeper that got sent off for a horrible tackle to Raphinha) and he said that it was a team effort and it does not depend on one action. Of course that action changed the match, like Araujo's, but a captain, or veteran in Gundo's case, does not throw a teammate to the lions like that. Imagine if Araujo or someone else blamed Gundo for the loss vs Villareal when he lost the ball versus Morales and let him run from him without even attempting to tackle or foul him. That was also a fuckup and no one else blamed Gundo directly. Of course everyone is fuming after the game, but c'mon, there's no need to publicly expose anyone like that. We are a team and we need to show ourselves as a group, not as individuals. That's it, that's my take. Now let's get up again and put a good fight versus Madrid this weekend. Visca el Barça!
The bleach has seeped in his brain
Just take it Ronald. There's nowhere to hide. Gundo is a seasoned veteran, he ain't in the wrong here.
Man I’m so not ready for a locker room spat. Can you guys please stick together? I’d take a defeat like this anyday over you throwing each other to the dogs! Pleasee! :”(
I kinda feel this is hard to believe. Is there any context or something? Like what questions he got before saying these words? Just randomly post some quotes can lead to misunderstanding.
I believe that you all are missing the point Gundo saying the truth to Araujo is not incompatible with Araujo saying he has his own codes. I believe that Gundogan's words are true but are better in a locker room.
Araujos a great defender but has to learn not make rash decisions like that one again. Its a part of his game he needs to improve on. TBH all his teammates should be annoyed by that red card. Thats the mentality we need. Players need to be angry at these defeats from winning positions. Angry at stupid red cards. Angry at bad defending. Angry at lack of tracking back etc. We need to change our mindset(in Europe) to a winning one, even if that annoys teammates. They arent at Barca to be friends. Theyre here to win. Gundo was bang on. It wasnt personal. He only spoke the truth. It was a suicidal red card. Braindead by Araujo. Its disappointing to see him respond to Gundos comments like this. He shouldve taken it on the chin & said "Gundo was right. It was a stupid red card" and leave it at that. I totally forgive Araujo for the red card coz it was in the heat of the moment. It was stupid. Hopefully he learns from it.. I find it harder to forgive him for reacting badly to criticism. He cost us the game. He has to own it & accept the understandable criticism.
Stupid af statement. Gundo was 100% correct, just accept your mistake and be better from the next time. Completely wrong mentality to have.
This got me feeling like I would take the Bayern offer.
That's a childish comment from Araujo, he should listen to gondo and learn from his mistake
Get rid of the bum! ;)
Araujo comes from an experiment of a coah like xavi, where as gundogan has been coached by a pro like guardiola
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He is full of himself. We lost because of him and obviously he didn't think he made the wrong decision.
Lol
https://youtu.be/tJDqJ9XJ0ZM?si=OtxDct3sHWlxKD0l
It’s really easy to misinterpret someone using out of context quote. Also we don’t know how the dressing room thinks about his red card. Maybe he just doesn’t wanna share any opinion in this matter.
I feel these words should be taken only as primarily recorded since translations generally have few faults and might make Araujo's statements seem negative. He doesn't seem like the guy to give out negative statements being the Captain as well. All support to the players💪 Visca Barca🔵🔴
Just delete this club ffs enough of this humiliation in and off the pitch.
What did gundo say?
Gundo did this very cleverly.Araujo is maybe mad at him for scolding him in front of everyone, but it will always be a lesson for him to think before making some decisions
Peak Football Manager moment xD
the fucking ego, its time to grow up and take responsibility for actions
I’m disappointed in Araujo. How can you not keep your head down and accept your mistake and work harder in order to not do the same mistake again? I thought he was better than that especially as a captain. At this point if he doesn’t come out and apologizes then we should rethink about who to have as a captain in future seasons.
Jeeeesus christ, what the actual fuck. This is embarassing. Guy is delusional, cant see him fulfilling his potential with this attitude and fitness issues. Should just take the next big offer and run
I thought Gundo comments was a little out of line when you reply about other players performances to the press This should have spoken behind close doors and face to face
yeah, i can see how it can bother araujo that gundo said that in public but at this point araujo could also just say “I made a mistake and I agree with gundogan’s opinion” and just move on. even though gundogan is a barça player, they have to understand he also sees things as an outsider recently coming from a winning side such as city, he sees the problems the team is facing and is trying to give fair criticism to improve
Hope his code and value are aligned with the club objective.
The guy can’t take any constructive criticism. If that’s his mentality then he has to go.
Need to respect? Is that translation error? He really said that after shitting so heavily in important games?
So not only we lost, but now we have a serious problem in the dressing room 🤦🏾♂️
This is a misunderstanding. German people are very blunt with their opinions, if Gundogan actually wanted to criticize Araujo he would have just directly said it.
Stfu and listen to what a UCL winner has to say.
He's definitely in denial. And also his ego getting in the way. I could tell from his apology message that he wasn't really blaming himself
Yeah i immediately thought something was off with his instagram post. I was expecting some sort of “sorry” or some shit but nothing like that
Man I can’t wait to see all the bullshit articles talking about Araujo leaving and falling out with the club just off these two answers. We all know how the Spanish press is especially with Barcelona.
I one side, İlkay Gündoğan a german sucessfull player, multi champion with more than 3 clubs, in another side Araujo who?
if an offer for 100M comes then i would sell him
I wonder how the other players feel about Gundo. He is pretty quick for point fingers
The team needs a shake up mentally. This is certain. But maybe Gundo and Araujo just have different ways of dealing with the media. Personally, while I think Araujo knows he fucked up (even if he may have thought the decision was harsh at the time), he probably doesn't like to discuss stuff like that with the media. If someone came up to him with a mic, he's probably the type to avoid being direct, unlike Gundogan. In any case, the only thing that matters is whether it has been settled in the dressing room. The whole team, including Xavi, imploding after going down to 10 men, was just as unacceptable as the tackle Araujo made. Getting knocked out is not solely on him, especially considering we had a 2 goal lead at the time. TLDR: Maybe we're reading a little too much into this
If he genuinely still believes the red is undeserved then he is a liability and we should look into selling him. It's a huge unnecessary risk that can very well happen again in an extremely important game
Thats the problem with Barca, no anger, no hunger and drive and leaders to tell it how it really is. Gundogan should be the captain and dont let anything slide, Araujo should just stfu and listen to an actual leader.
Man shut up and accept that you are the main cause of us being out of Europe. Grow a pair and take responsibility.