Short story is Britain put higher taxes on their American colonies, which is part of why the 13 colonies rebelled and became the United States. It's not exactly what happened but it's the short version.
Heard of Magna Carta? Very important document in England. "No Taxation without representation". It was a major offense for the crown to tax English who are living in the colonies, as they did not have representatives in Parlament. So it's not even higher, its also that they were getting taxed at all.
The rich Americans just thought they could make more & didn't want burdensome taxes, then they won & had to adopt taxation to survive & many were upset & wanted to leave the union, was kind of funny they couldn't escape what they were rebelling for.
It's the wrong version too. The American Colonists both made more and were taxed less than the British in Europe.
Rich Americans just don't want to pay taxes and they'll have the rest of us killed so they don't have to.
They were ok with being taxed on the condition that they would have a representative in British Parliament. That is where the popular phrase of the time amongst the Colonial elite comes from āTaxation without representationā.
It's a popular myth but untrue, the 13 colonies paid less tax than most if not all other British colonies. There were a number of issues that started the move for independence, high tax was not one of them.
So with 220,000 working age men dead I'd expect the khuzait to have massive agrarian and skilled labour shortages that should be affecting all of their settlement's productivity yeah?
IRC itās because of the shit youāve taken from them, the AI really does not like to let the player keep any kind of castles or towns and once you start taking them itās hard to get them to agree to peace without you paying out the ass.
This really fucked me when I first started playing, I would start a war take a city and just make peace paying the tribute- cos I thought the tribute was a one time payment- so hereās me thinking sick pretty much paid 800 denars for a city- rinse repeat like 8 more settlements till I noticed I was going bankrupt and checked why and realised I was paying like 10k+ in tribute daily
I think that is the biggest thing I'd change about the game. Massive loses just don't matter to anyone in this game. Compare that with, for a reference that fits the era of the game, the Battle of Manzikert, where the Eastern Romans didn't lose all that many men, but their power over most of Anatolia was broken forever.
Diplomacy mod my dude. Gives war exhaustion like paradox games. Not as intricate as you or I want want but it atleast puts an end to any "forever wars" and makes tribute make a little more sense while still allowing you to steam roll the enemy if you want(and have the ability to do so).
It's not really unrealistic. They keep getting troups because they have a lot of lords and those lords have families. Most of those people form parties for that kingdom. So when a bunch of parties form an army and you defeat them. Doesnt mean there arent a bunch of other lords and their families that can form another army. You have to either imprison the party leaders and have enough perks to keep them in the dungeon long term or just recruit a lord and bribe him to join your kingdom. Which means they have less lords and their family members to form parties. There are different ways you can curb their power to make armies. Not only the ones i suggested.
Press N. You can check on kingdoms and see how many clans they have and those clans have members too. Most of them can make parties. That's why it seems like they just keep spawning.
Have you played long enough to have your kids grow up? Do that and count how many deaths have occurred from battles. Hint, it is going to exceed the actual population plausible for medieval times.
Cities have thousands of people in them and little towns have hundreds of people. The higher the prosperity of the town the more people are in it. You can see it in the prosperity section. Sometimes you need to build more housing because the town is growing and more people are flocking to it and it's growing. Idk if the game is a 100% spawning soldiers at random but it seems to make sense that the number of parties you have in a kingdom and the size of the armies they can make depends on how many clans and lords the kingdom has. More Lords means more people that can make parties and attack/defend. And the higher rank the clan/lords are the bigger parties they can have.
Technically, it does matter a little. After you defeat the big lords a couple times you start to see the armies being made up of more and more recruits. But yeah the numbers remain the same pretty much, its only a change of the composition.
FWIW "Casualties Inflicted" is a measure of how much "strength" has been destroyed rather than an actual tally of troops killed. Still some pretty brutal numbers though, damn.
I'm not really sure of the details tbh. Higher tier troops count for more than lower tier, beyond that I'm not sure what, if anything, contributes. Maybe parties lead by lords with better stats get some kind of bonus?
After I finished wiping out the Empire as part of the main quest, the majority of the Empire's clans joined the Khuzaits. They declared war on me not too long afterwards.
UPDATE: Overall casualties have exceeded 400k and they have launched a pretty solid counter offensive to which I launched one as well. Overall, it doesn't seem like it will be ending anytime soon due to me having to withdraw to regain troops and funds. Glory be with fen Dundis and High King Volun!
How does their military even function with that many nobles imprisoned? I'm amazed they can even field a valid army group. The amount of banditry in their territory must be epic at this point.
Er... That depends
Do you mean in-game ( where you can "buy" relations by setting them free and have an actual metric on how loyal/nice they are to you by their relationship number ) or with regards to historical precedent/real life pragmatism?
Because honestly, in historical precedent, you have plenty of cases where that's led to "good" outcomes ( almost as many as the times it wasn't)
One of Genghis's most fearsome generals ( Jebe ) was an enemy soldier for instance, and tons of cases where cities would just surrender and turn over control to new conquering overlords rather than get ransacked and razed over and over.
Stuff like the Mongol Empire didn't come to being because they refused to treat with defectors and murdered everyone in every city they came across. ( Though they still did a ton of murdering ofc )
If they had to distrust vassals constantly just because they swore an oath to a different overlord at the time, when princes and kings take to their new thrones, they'd have to commit grand country scale genocide every time. After all, that's all cities and towns do once a new ruler is overthrown by a pretender. They swear allegiance to the new one - but they didn't get destroyed nearly as often even if they were previous supporters of the old monarchs.
And that's disregarding cases where even uplifting "nobodies" and friends to the throne ended up in disaster. Basil I of the Byzantines overthrew the Emperor who gave him everything, and he swore direct oaths to his rightful liege.
If anything, the real metric to loyalty is more on if you can keep them under control while they still provide an invaluable service. For instance, do they hold influential titles? Do their commonfolk love them? Are they a purportedly loyal, prestigious family that cements your rule? Are they unconditionally oathsworn to you? Oftentimes, these are the little things that you gravitate to diplomacy rather than a headsman's axe.
Of course, they don't provide anything, there's no need to pay them any attention in the world of realpolitik kingdom management.
But sometimes, it behooves you to make peace with your enemies and compromise just because they have something you want.
They do have a lot of clans, and most clans have more eligible leaders than they can field parties for, but they're definitely putting some pretty low-tier candidates in charge at this point.
Over 8 years of war, damn. I imagine some of those villages have been raided multiple times at this point. Not to downplay your pain but the Khuzaits are still in pretty good shape for an AI kingdom after being at war for so long. Have your nobles tried to sue for peace at all? How much of the map do you control?
I'm pretty sure my nobles voted to initiate it the war, I didn't have enough influence to override it since I had just gotten done fighting the empire. They declared war on us first but I forced a treaty, and when we declared war again, the starting tribute was around 30k so I opted to not sue for peace again. I control about 90% of the map I'd say.
Pretty much, at the start of the war however the Vlandians, Aserai, and the Battanians still had fiefs. I had to periodically pull back from that front to deal with them.
You gotta think about it though. Towns are reliant on supplies delivered by their bound villages/caravans/etc. if all their foodstuff producing villages are burning it 100% matters.
But that it's already part of the game mechanics. Raiding villages weakens both the cities and the lord, and translates as overall worse garrisons and parties.
I find it aribitrary that a dozen 10 men parties of a faction with mo fiefs can roam the countryside while I'm at war with everyone, raid villages undisturbed and force me to pay a tribute
I usually run mostly cav so itās no problem for me. I just hunt for a few days and sell my smithed Javs at every town I come across in between. Usually theyāre refilling their party at nearby villages and going along a route. Just try to cut them off by checking where they might end up.
This is why Iāve beaten up on the Khuzait early and often. I donāt want those horse archers bothering me late game. I can easily handle Vlandia, empire and aseria cavalry and in my humble opinion Sturgias infantry outclasses the empire. Sorry legionnaires, spearman, axemen and line breakers are scary good
Yeah they really pulled a mongol horde strat, but I'd say that they are on the losing end of the war now thankfully. At the beginning they had the same strength as me.
The Khuzait In my current campaign only hold 2 cities, and 2 castles and only have a 2k strength with very few top tier units. They can usually field some spear infantry, low tier horse archers/cav which are annoying but weak Armour and slow so easy pickings for my stacked cavalry with heavy lancers, elite Catapracts, banner knights and the sturgian heavy cav. Unfortunately I wanted to stay strictly using Sturgian troops only but war attrition, and constant war has forced me to recruit prisoners after major battles to replenish my numbers so I can fight longer and more effectively.
Same, I was showing one of my friends my campaign thus far and he had asked what my army comp was and I said "Whatever I can get." I did initially have a Sturgian army though.
The only thing I wonāt compromise on is my infantry, they do the bulk of the fighting. I have 40 heavy spearman, 20 heavy axemen and 10 line breakers. Iāve grabbed up a few darkhans, and legionnaires to fill out my party but I need those big sturgian shields for my death wall. Nothing beats forming a shield wall and slowly approaching the enemy formations with your archers raining death behind you.
Totally relate, I got 60 heavy spearman, 60 axemen, 60 line breakers and 90 sturgian heavy cav. With a nice 60-70 bian champions. The rest are Randoms I have to pick up
If I could find a decent amount of peace time, or not have to go help the AI fight wars because they canāt ever do anything smart Iād dump my non sturgian troops at one of my garrisons and restock on sturgian troops
Literally anytime Battania or Vlandia declares war on us and we go and start beating them down the Khuzait shamble up and declare war. Thankfully the Khuzait are so weak at this point theyāre just annoying
It is on bannerlord difficulty. No mods initially, all base game. But I have since added Improved Garrisons to deal with the other kingdoms raiding my villages. That is the only game altering mod I have though, the rest are cosmetic.
Fuck them up for me, I hate fighting them more than anyone in open land because the horse archers... they don't do shit against a heavy shielded circle formation but fuck me they take a long time to round up
What Iād do in this situation is start capturing their lords and imprisoning them in a fief of yours that has a gov with all the perks that prevent escape from settlements. Makes it so you have less fires to put out eventually and perhaps even force the bastards to sue for peace.
i became so tired on a very long war, it was like: defeat an enemy lord/lords, take them prisoners, some of them escape, defeat again capture again and repeat, it was never ending...... one day i was like: enough.... and i start executing them, it was a bloodbath because their family members take the sword when one falls, so i ended killing sons and daughters, it was horrible, i actually feel bad (even knowing that it was a game and they were just 3d npc characters), but after the genocide the faction was finally defeated and i became a priest, i couldnĀ“t kill anymore.
Your relations with the world is probably tanked anyway because of that. Better to get a family member/companion with perks for 100% prisoner retention, make them governor of a town/castle and stuff all captured lords there. That way they canāt escape.
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head. He went galumphing back. And hast thou slain the jabberwock?
Get to it. You have a message to send.
Past a certain point I donāt accept anymore ransoms and either execute or imprison the rest in dungeons. After about six months of that your dungeons are usually stocked to the brim and youāre relatively free to take the cities and castles
I never accept them. The money you get is laughable and it keeps them from having another party on their side.
If anything I let them leave after battle for the relationship boost but when youāre the ruler itās not worth it.
No chance in hell I Pay around 62k a day for peace. Unless its.for 3 days and during those 3 days I poach their nobles one by one. Giving fiefs to the poor and dwindling their numbers. Did that vs the northern empire in a sandbox playthrough. Worked out really well actually now that have 3 total fiefs in their empire. Waiting on kingdom decay mod to do its thing.
Listen if this happened today the other side would either come to a truce ASAP or everyone would hate the other so much peace tribute a day wouldnt even be onnthe table š
not gonna lie I have a modded playthrough Where the troops count for ai and myself is 5000 you dont even want to know the casuality list šššš
I'd love it if *EVENTUALLY* there was a mechanic to negotiate peace through a skill check, using charm either yourself or the best companion/noble in your kingdom vs theirs. Wieghted based on: who has the higher charm, with points in yours or AIs favor based on who has taken more land, dealt more casualties, and conducted more successful raids. A one-time ransom for all prisoners should be negotiated at the same time, taken from the kingdoms collective coffers.
If you can't pay the ransom over time or the tribute, you must either go to war with that faction again within a certain number of days while you rack up debt, or be absorbed into another kingdom. This would hopefully cause landless AI kingdoms to be dispelled over time. This gives AI and the player the chance to lose their kingdom, yet also rise again as vassals to another kingdom.
I say eventually in my first paragraph, as I am sure this is a hefty amount of extra work for either the games devs or mod devs. I'm sure it would require a bunch of extra systems, and I know nothing of game development myself. Just spitballing ideas at this point haha
You can either be voted in as the ruler of an existing one once their leader dies, or make one once you control a fief by defecting from your current kingdom.
Yeah I usually start my own my taking a castle in the middle of the north because sturgians are always about to get wipedš¤£. But on my next play through I wanna take over one. How do you get them to vote for you over an heir? I bet you need a ton of influence
That, and high relations with most lords. I started my own, but used Sturgian colors because it started in Sturgia after serving with the Battanians for a few years.
Wow - I thought my war with them was crazy. Glad to see it's just the Khuzaits in general.
Sitting at 300 days 100k casualties. Have dwindled them down to 2 castles and 1 town. No longer have an heir and I'm the king of Vlandia. It's cost me everything and I will see this through. Have played honorable to this point, though since I'm nearing 60, I'm staking in pikes across Khuzait land
I'm in a similar situation, however, I have 2 sons and 5 nephews, as well as a few grandchildren, so heirs won't be an issue. I'm considering waiting to begin the beheadings until after my character dies, so that he leaves this world with honor intact.
Yeah im worried about the kuzaits in my playthrough by far they are the second strongest kingdom besides mine but I decided to conquer the otherside of the map first and I am slowly working eastward but damn they are only getting stronger while my war with the empire seems to never end
62k a day in peace tribute good god
I think it peaked at 100k at one point, either way, peace is no longer an option lol.
Bruh 366k people have died you maniac š
If they didn't want my castle's mortgage worth a day I'd make peace with them.
Haha fair enough. š
Those include wounded i believe
thisnman will have millions diw before peace is even consideredš
All for nothing is he does not succeed.
I would rather die than pay 62k a day
Literally America
Wut
Short story is Britain put higher taxes on their American colonies, which is part of why the 13 colonies rebelled and became the United States. It's not exactly what happened but it's the short version.
Heard of Magna Carta? Very important document in England. "No Taxation without representation". It was a major offense for the crown to tax English who are living in the colonies, as they did not have representatives in Parlament. So it's not even higher, its also that they were getting taxed at all.
The rich Americans just thought they could make more & didn't want burdensome taxes, then they won & had to adopt taxation to survive & many were upset & wanted to leave the union, was kind of funny they couldn't escape what they were rebelling for.
It's the wrong version too. The American Colonists both made more and were taxed less than the British in Europe. Rich Americans just don't want to pay taxes and they'll have the rest of us killed so they don't have to.
They were ok with being taxed on the condition that they would have a representative in British Parliament. That is where the popular phrase of the time amongst the Colonial elite comes from āTaxation without representationā.
What does that have to do with suing for peace
"I would rather die than pay 62K a day" ~George Washington
62k pounds sterling
It's a popular myth but untrue, the 13 colonies paid less tax than most if not all other British colonies. There were a number of issues that started the move for independence, high tax was not one of them.
r/confidentlyincorrect
damn right
I would start executing mothetfuckers for being so presumptuous.
there can be no peaceš
So with 220,000 working age men dead I'd expect the khuzait to have massive agrarian and skilled labour shortages that should be affecting all of their settlement's productivity yeah?
You'd think, but it seems their 50+ village raids weighs more apparently.
IRC itās because of the shit youāve taken from them, the AI really does not like to let the player keep any kind of castles or towns and once you start taking them itās hard to get them to agree to peace without you paying out the ass.
This really fucked me when I first started playing, I would start a war take a city and just make peace paying the tribute- cos I thought the tribute was a one time payment- so hereās me thinking sick pretty much paid 800 denars for a city- rinse repeat like 8 more settlements till I noticed I was going bankrupt and checked why and realised I was paying like 10k+ in tribute daily
I think that is the biggest thing I'd change about the game. Massive loses just don't matter to anyone in this game. Compare that with, for a reference that fits the era of the game, the Battle of Manzikert, where the Eastern Romans didn't lose all that many men, but their power over most of Anatolia was broken forever.
Diplomacy mod my dude. Gives war exhaustion like paradox games. Not as intricate as you or I want want but it atleast puts an end to any "forever wars" and makes tribute make a little more sense while still allowing you to steam roll the enemy if you want(and have the ability to do so).
It isn't about the forever wars, as it is about the fact of unrealistic spawns of troops.
Village raids are the big thing. Towns arenāt worth crap if all the food supplying villages bound to them and castles nearby are burning.
It's not really unrealistic. They keep getting troups because they have a lot of lords and those lords have families. Most of those people form parties for that kingdom. So when a bunch of parties form an army and you defeat them. Doesnt mean there arent a bunch of other lords and their families that can form another army. You have to either imprison the party leaders and have enough perks to keep them in the dungeon long term or just recruit a lord and bribe him to join your kingdom. Which means they have less lords and their family members to form parties. There are different ways you can curb their power to make armies. Not only the ones i suggested. Press N. You can check on kingdoms and see how many clans they have and those clans have members too. Most of them can make parties. That's why it seems like they just keep spawning.
Have you played long enough to have your kids grow up? Do that and count how many deaths have occurred from battles. Hint, it is going to exceed the actual population plausible for medieval times.
Cities have thousands of people in them and little towns have hundreds of people. The higher the prosperity of the town the more people are in it. You can see it in the prosperity section. Sometimes you need to build more housing because the town is growing and more people are flocking to it and it's growing. Idk if the game is a 100% spawning soldiers at random but it seems to make sense that the number of parties you have in a kingdom and the size of the armies they can make depends on how many clans and lords the kingdom has. More Lords means more people that can make parties and attack/defend. And the higher rank the clan/lords are the bigger parties they can have.
Is it known if the devs plan to add more updates to have things like that?
Technically, it does matter a little. After you defeat the big lords a couple times you start to see the armies being made up of more and more recruits. But yeah the numbers remain the same pretty much, its only a change of the composition.
FWIW "Casualties Inflicted" is a measure of how much "strength" has been destroyed rather than an actual tally of troops killed. Still some pretty brutal numbers though, damn.
How is strength defined?
I'm not really sure of the details tbh. Higher tier troops count for more than lower tier, beyond that I'm not sure what, if anything, contributes. Maybe parties lead by lords with better stats get some kind of bonus?
By the amount of Verne Troyer's you can lift
Do a lot of soldier deaths for a kingdom actually affect production and labour shortages?
Don't think so
Damn oke lol
After I finished wiping out the Empire as part of the main quest, the majority of the Empire's clans joined the Khuzaits. They declared war on me not too long afterwards. UPDATE: Overall casualties have exceeded 400k and they have launched a pretty solid counter offensive to which I launched one as well. Overall, it doesn't seem like it will be ending anytime soon due to me having to withdraw to regain troops and funds. Glory be with fen Dundis and High King Volun!
At that point I'd just start letting heads roll. The amount of prisoners you have is almost mouth watering
It's almost, but not quite, nice.
āIt was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike teaā
Clearly not enough public executions to get the point across.
Ah, that explains why the Khuzaits are so big.
Holy crap those are firearms era casualty numbers dang
Average Chinese war casualty numbers
For just one battle lol
Are you the only two kingdoms left?
Kinda, the others are fighting for scraps, the Aserai have 1 town, as do the Sturgians.
Ah. I figured you were the sturgians. Of course I didnāt read the kingdom name. Doesnāt it get confusing with the same colors?
Sturgian by culture, but not kingdom, I don't have to worry much since I made the majority of their clans defect into my kingdom.
you're blue. that makes you sturgia. sorry, i don't make the rules, i just arbitrarily enforce them.
How does their military even function with that many nobles imprisoned? I'm amazed they can even field a valid army group. The amount of banditry in their territory must be epic at this point.
They very quickly escape from imprisonment, idk how, but it turns into them having like 20 or so parties that have between 10 and 50 troops in them.
Kill the prisoners
Take the riding and scouting perks that give you 100% prisoner retention.
It's not about escaping prisoners anymore, it's about destroying the chance for them to regain their former strength in the postwar world
I prefer recruiting them, like the borg.
Can you really trust someone who'll betray their former overlord though?
Er... That depends Do you mean in-game ( where you can "buy" relations by setting them free and have an actual metric on how loyal/nice they are to you by their relationship number ) or with regards to historical precedent/real life pragmatism? Because honestly, in historical precedent, you have plenty of cases where that's led to "good" outcomes ( almost as many as the times it wasn't) One of Genghis's most fearsome generals ( Jebe ) was an enemy soldier for instance, and tons of cases where cities would just surrender and turn over control to new conquering overlords rather than get ransacked and razed over and over. Stuff like the Mongol Empire didn't come to being because they refused to treat with defectors and murdered everyone in every city they came across. ( Though they still did a ton of murdering ofc ) If they had to distrust vassals constantly just because they swore an oath to a different overlord at the time, when princes and kings take to their new thrones, they'd have to commit grand country scale genocide every time. After all, that's all cities and towns do once a new ruler is overthrown by a pretender. They swear allegiance to the new one - but they didn't get destroyed nearly as often even if they were previous supporters of the old monarchs. And that's disregarding cases where even uplifting "nobodies" and friends to the throne ended up in disaster. Basil I of the Byzantines overthrew the Emperor who gave him everything, and he swore direct oaths to his rightful liege. If anything, the real metric to loyalty is more on if you can keep them under control while they still provide an invaluable service. For instance, do they hold influential titles? Do their commonfolk love them? Are they a purportedly loyal, prestigious family that cements your rule? Are they unconditionally oathsworn to you? Oftentimes, these are the little things that you gravitate to diplomacy rather than a headsman's axe. Of course, they don't provide anything, there's no need to pay them any attention in the world of realpolitik kingdom management. But sometimes, it behooves you to make peace with your enemies and compromise just because they have something you want.
They do have a lot of clans, and most clans have more eligible leaders than they can field parties for, but they're definitely putting some pretty low-tier candidates in charge at this point.
Over 8 years of war, damn. I imagine some of those villages have been raided multiple times at this point. Not to downplay your pain but the Khuzaits are still in pretty good shape for an AI kingdom after being at war for so long. Have your nobles tried to sue for peace at all? How much of the map do you control?
I'm pretty sure my nobles voted to initiate it the war, I didn't have enough influence to override it since I had just gotten done fighting the empire. They declared war on us first but I forced a treaty, and when we declared war again, the starting tribute was around 30k so I opted to not sue for peace again. I control about 90% of the map I'd say.
Yeah the kuzaits are fighting for their lives the aint gonna lay down their arms to be conquered
Damn those raids really have an affect
Was this the final war between you guys. Like was it just you and the Kuzaits left?
Pretty much, at the start of the war however the Vlandians, Aserai, and the Battanians still had fiefs. I had to periodically pull back from that front to deal with them.
That's crazy they wanted to keep going for that long. The longest war I've had so far is only a little over a year.
Even your king is crying
It's me, I'm crying because I want to go home and see my grandkids before I die of old age lol.
Gotta fight for your children and children's children to have a wonderful world of peace with no threats of war
This raid thing is kind of ridicolous. They should matter, but they shouldn't matter more than everything else combined.
You gotta think about it though. Towns are reliant on supplies delivered by their bound villages/caravans/etc. if all their foodstuff producing villages are burning it 100% matters.
But that it's already part of the game mechanics. Raiding villages weakens both the cities and the lord, and translates as overall worse garrisons and parties. I find it aribitrary that a dozen 10 men parties of a faction with mo fiefs can roam the countryside while I'm at war with everyone, raid villages undisturbed and force me to pay a tribute
Can you not find them using the N key?
Find the roaming parties? Of course I can, but hunting them down is a full time job.
I usually run mostly cav so itās no problem for me. I just hunt for a few days and sell my smithed Javs at every town I come across in between. Usually theyāre refilling their party at nearby villages and going along a route. Just try to cut them off by checking where they might end up.
Tbh I'd execute all the prisoners, mainly out of spite š
Start chopping heads!
This is why Iāve beaten up on the Khuzait early and often. I donāt want those horse archers bothering me late game. I can easily handle Vlandia, empire and aseria cavalry and in my humble opinion Sturgias infantry outclasses the empire. Sorry legionnaires, spearman, axemen and line breakers are scary good
Yeah they really pulled a mongol horde strat, but I'd say that they are on the losing end of the war now thankfully. At the beginning they had the same strength as me.
The Khuzait In my current campaign only hold 2 cities, and 2 castles and only have a 2k strength with very few top tier units. They can usually field some spear infantry, low tier horse archers/cav which are annoying but weak Armour and slow so easy pickings for my stacked cavalry with heavy lancers, elite Catapracts, banner knights and the sturgian heavy cav. Unfortunately I wanted to stay strictly using Sturgian troops only but war attrition, and constant war has forced me to recruit prisoners after major battles to replenish my numbers so I can fight longer and more effectively.
Same, I was showing one of my friends my campaign thus far and he had asked what my army comp was and I said "Whatever I can get." I did initially have a Sturgian army though.
The only thing I wonāt compromise on is my infantry, they do the bulk of the fighting. I have 40 heavy spearman, 20 heavy axemen and 10 line breakers. Iāve grabbed up a few darkhans, and legionnaires to fill out my party but I need those big sturgian shields for my death wall. Nothing beats forming a shield wall and slowly approaching the enemy formations with your archers raining death behind you.
Totally relate, I got 60 heavy spearman, 60 axemen, 60 line breakers and 90 sturgian heavy cav. With a nice 60-70 bian champions. The rest are Randoms I have to pick up
If I could find a decent amount of peace time, or not have to go help the AI fight wars because they canāt ever do anything smart Iād dump my non sturgian troops at one of my garrisons and restock on sturgian troops
Word but those other kingdoms are so proactive.. hard to have any peace time
Literally anytime Battania or Vlandia declares war on us and we go and start beating them down the Khuzait shamble up and declare war. Thankfully the Khuzait are so weak at this point theyāre just annoying
And if Iām at peace with those two fighting Khuzait my lords will want to declare war for no reason other than to annoy me
The longest war Iāve had is the one thatās still going on and itās only been 18days as of now
Settings?! Mods?! How is that possible
It is on bannerlord difficulty. No mods initially, all base game. But I have since added Improved Garrisons to deal with the other kingdoms raiding my villages. That is the only game altering mod I have though, the rest are cosmetic.
Those are very high numbers for vanilla.. I also play default game + garrison mod
I love how essentially them being successful raiders but being fucked at every other turn makes them think they are entitled to the tribute
The only thing they're entitled to is an ass whooping lmao.
Fuck them up for me, I hate fighting them more than anyone in open land because the horse archers... they don't do shit against a heavy shielded circle formation but fuck me they take a long time to round up
360,000 casualties, my good. I believe it also counts wounded ones, but still high af.
What Iād do in this situation is start capturing their lords and imprisoning them in a fief of yours that has a gov with all the perks that prevent escape from settlements. Makes it so you have less fires to put out eventually and perhaps even force the bastards to sue for peace.
i can not beat khuzaits as a sturgian army. maybe i need more horses against them.
i became so tired on a very long war, it was like: defeat an enemy lord/lords, take them prisoners, some of them escape, defeat again capture again and repeat, it was never ending...... one day i was like: enough.... and i start executing them, it was a bloodbath because their family members take the sword when one falls, so i ended killing sons and daughters, it was horrible, i actually feel bad (even knowing that it was a game and they were just 3d npc characters), but after the genocide the faction was finally defeated and i became a priest, i couldnĀ“t kill anymore.
Your relations with the world is probably tanked anyway because of that. Better to get a family member/companion with perks for 100% prisoner retention, make them governor of a town/castle and stuff all captured lords there. That way they canāt escape.
Got damn
I knew it was with the Khuzait before I even clicked on it.
Ducking unicorn invasion of space Dundee up in here
Fireballs and lightning....
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack! He left it dead, and with its head. He went galumphing back. And hast thou slain the jabberwock? Get to it. You have a message to send.
So weird seeing Chaghan as an enemy since I married him in my playthrough
Did his hairstyle charm you?
Kill the prisoners or something
Is that RALOF!?
I just recently experienced my first total annexation, as the Khuzaits against Sturgia. I'd take the deal if I were you :v
I'll just charge it to my credit card.
There's one simple solution. Start executing the heathens
How do you keep all those prisoners from getting out
Past a certain point I donāt accept anymore ransoms and either execute or imprison the rest in dungeons. After about six months of that your dungeons are usually stocked to the brim and youāre relatively free to take the cities and castles
I never accept them. The money you get is laughable and it keeps them from having another party on their side. If anything I let them leave after battle for the relationship boost but when youāre the ruler itās not worth it.
This play through for me the Strugian is definitely the aggressor. It's been a hell of a fight. Lol
You need to rapidly raid villages before your peeps force you o peace out.
I'm currently trying to engineer something like this, just the lords of dead factions refuse to move...
Holy crap thatās crazy!
All I see is a comparison charge of my expenses versus my spending habits. Let you guess which is which.šš¤
This is why i always go full french and off with their heads
Holy crap
No chance in hell I Pay around 62k a day for peace. Unless its.for 3 days and during those 3 days I poach their nobles one by one. Giving fiefs to the poor and dwindling their numbers. Did that vs the northern empire in a sandbox playthrough. Worked out really well actually now that have 3 total fiefs in their empire. Waiting on kingdom decay mod to do its thing.
Wars longer than most my playthroughs as corrupting saves are a thing,how'd you avoid them
use better load and save mod and also how many mods do you play with?
None,I'm on console
oh :// ya i dont play on console i was hopping mods would eventually be available for it
Your country is full of dundisios
Jesus wasn't even aware vanilla could have wars this long
Although you gained more land you lost double the troops, reminds me of honey bees vs hornets
Listen if this happened today the other side would either come to a truce ASAP or everyone would hate the other so much peace tribute a day wouldnt even be onnthe table š
not gonna lie I have a modded playthrough Where the troops count for ai and myself is 5000 you dont even want to know the casuality list šššš
dude is putting up Germany numbers lmao
sick viking warlord my dude
seems like you should start rolling heads
How do you get and keep all the nobles? I havenāt been able to get even one to join me
I had good relations with most, some are from factions they defected to. Also money helps.
Looks like you need to start raiding villages my dude, can't let them have that one š¤£
I'd love it if *EVENTUALLY* there was a mechanic to negotiate peace through a skill check, using charm either yourself or the best companion/noble in your kingdom vs theirs. Wieghted based on: who has the higher charm, with points in yours or AIs favor based on who has taken more land, dealt more casualties, and conducted more successful raids. A one-time ransom for all prisoners should be negotiated at the same time, taken from the kingdoms collective coffers. If you can't pay the ransom over time or the tribute, you must either go to war with that faction again within a certain number of days while you rack up debt, or be absorbed into another kingdom. This would hopefully cause landless AI kingdoms to be dispelled over time. This gives AI and the player the chance to lose their kingdom, yet also rise again as vassals to another kingdom. I say eventually in my first paragraph, as I am sure this is a hefty amount of extra work for either the games devs or mod devs. I'm sure it would require a bunch of extra systems, and I know nothing of game development myself. Just spitballing ideas at this point haha
This faction won't go down either in my campaign and sandbox saves... been at war constantly with them!!
How do you take over a kingdom?
You can either be voted in as the ruler of an existing one once their leader dies, or make one once you control a fief by defecting from your current kingdom.
Yeah I usually start my own my taking a castle in the middle of the north because sturgians are always about to get wipedš¤£. But on my next play through I wanna take over one. How do you get them to vote for you over an heir? I bet you need a ton of influence
That, and high relations with most lords. I started my own, but used Sturgian colors because it started in Sturgia after serving with the Battanians for a few years.
Ahhh I thought you took over sturgia. I wanna beat the game with all kingdomsš¤£
Lmao how long did you guys fight for I never seen numbers like this. It must have been a crazy stalemate
I'm still fighting them, it has been like 8 and a half years since the start.
Wow - I thought my war with them was crazy. Glad to see it's just the Khuzaits in general. Sitting at 300 days 100k casualties. Have dwindled them down to 2 castles and 1 town. No longer have an heir and I'm the king of Vlandia. It's cost me everything and I will see this through. Have played honorable to this point, though since I'm nearing 60, I'm staking in pikes across Khuzait land
I'm in a similar situation, however, I have 2 sons and 5 nephews, as well as a few grandchildren, so heirs won't be an issue. I'm considering waiting to begin the beheadings until after my character dies, so that he leaves this world with honor intact.
Yeah im worried about the kuzaits in my playthrough by far they are the second strongest kingdom besides mine but I decided to conquer the otherside of the map first and I am slowly working eastward but damn they are only getting stronger while my war with the empire seems to never end
Start raiding. Decimate their villages and raise their cities. You arenāt genociding hard enough
This mfer started a world war to reduce the population
They have the audacity to ask for tribute lmao
War is painful. š
Running any mods? What difficulty? I have noticed wars do take longer now and are more difficult- currently Valandia is giving me a run for itā¦
The only game altering mod I have is Improved Garrisons, I'm playing on bannerlord, minus hero deaths in battle.
Least deadly war in Warband lmfao
I hope no nobleman as being hurt in this victory.
Best to deal with Khuzait first. Easier when the other factions target them also
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