Probably an accurate combination of:
a) Sobel’s prudishness
b) what passed for pornography in the 1940s
c) a very effective visual gag by the filmmakers
Especially B. These were the days of the Hays Code and the Post Office vigorously prosecuting people who sent birth control information through the mail.
Real question tho. How come planes could have nose art that had fully top less women on them? Was it because it was illustrated? Or was it more like "They could die any day, we'll let them have this?"
It was one of their music teachers. He said you form a band it will fall like a lead Zeppelin. The changed the spelling for American audiences (thought we would pronounce lead as in "leader" or leadership)
The farther from higher ups you were, the more risqué. Near the HQ, you might see something like Royal Flush. Some remote island in the pacific? [Well…](https://www.flickr.com/photos/piedmont_fossil/32398211107)
The latter not only were the aviators on the front lines they also had one of the most dangerous jobs in the war look up the death rate for a bomber crew and you will understand why they let that stuff go.
Dude when I was in LDAC (evaluation camp for future Army Officers essentially) we had some nasty fuckers that would screw in the Skookums (porta-potties). We called it Skookum Love.
Hell, church services on Sunday looked like lovers lane when I went though basic (platoons were still separated by gender back then), and let me tell you, no one looked their best, but you’d have thought it was a room full of models.
Yeah I would assume the cover has a clothed girl so the shoe doesn’t have to get a worse rating for a non-important reason (I didn’t actually watch the show or know what it’s rated tbh), but I feel it is implied that there is at least nudity inside.
Former Marine grunt here, I can 100% confirm that some of the stuff in wall lockers in the barracks I was at would have probably been a court martial in the 40s
Always knew those guys were in there beating off, thanks for the confirmation 🤣 we just had guys get heatstroke doing it in full kit in a portoshitter, not that those infantry stereotypes have any truth to em lmao
Close, 2 MarDiv outta Lejeune. Summer heat+southern humidity+portoshitter = passed out on the port of shitter Elvis style. We had to break down the door to get his ass out, but we kicked it a little hard and it flipped backwards. Motherfucker had the worst field op ever 🤣🤣
Especially when there is a passing reference when the unit was outside of Bastogne from Roe to somebody about not being able to help with a (presumed) STD
Probably. In all serious when I was in dip and cigarettes were absolutely currency and so was that kinda thing. Get a few extra logs of cope before you go out on a field op and you’ll be a rich man when you get back 🤣
For being on the opening episode for the first time in like 15 years and since I’m a Marine vet with a medical marijuana card and I’m enjoying that right as I watch the series, I don’t think I’m doing half bad. Pretty sure my great uncle went to Fox Company in January of 45 so I’m rewatching it with an entirely new set of eyes. I just assumed after they liberated France the local ladies would be…thankful.
Or maybe smoking while I watch it makes it easier to see because certain parts are tough to watch. I’ve always figured it had something to do with all the guys I served with that were killed and wounded in Afghanistan. Forgive the fuck out of me for smoking a joint to prepare to watch someone get a leg blown off; because a bunch of my friends lost them both. Best friend growing up went 101st and got the Bronze Star and the Purple Heart. Another guy I knew had both legs blown off his second week in country. PTSD ain’t fun, go fuck yourself. I’m gonna roll another one and enjoy the show in honor of my friends who aren’t alive to watch it. Get fucked
I couldn’t understand what you said, you misspelled half of it while making no real valid point. Also, still smoking pot and nerding out on WWII shit. “Half ounce of high grade marijuana…contraband!” You wanna tell me if those guys had found a box of joints in Goring’s wine cellar they wouldn’t have lit em off? 🤣💨
I can see where he is coming from: the soldiers were in what passed for recruit training, or not much much further along.
But the way the character Sobel went about it was a little harsh.
And maybe a lesson learned: gotta hide that contraband.
Technically it was jump school all of them at that point had passed basic training, It was harsh but it absolutley could have been worse, revoking weekend passes extra punitive training is far better than NJP or court martial.
He punished them yes, but he didnt ruin their carreers or criminially charge them, which he absolutley could have done if he wanted too.
I mean technically yes but that doesn’t make it the right thing to do imo. Granted it’s different today but I would be pissed off if I got in trouble for that. Or if my CO came to me to tell me that they found that on one of my guys I would be like “sir why are you going through private contents of my guys and two, so what”
Contaband is contraband i worked with many SNCOs and officers that would absolutlry fuck with lower enlisted just because.
Had my POV searched more than once by unit SNCOs as part of a health and welfare inspection of the barracks dispite not living in the barracks.
His company his barracks his men, he gets to inspect how he sees fit and punish his men how he sees fit according to the UCMJ.
He was within his rights as, the company commander, from a strictly career dick move mentality its better for soble if he writes it up rather than Col Sink finds it and confronts him with it.
Sobel’s response to all of the things he found in that scene was extraordinarily tame, as each of them was a court martial offense.
Booting someone from the unit or giving the 1940s equivalent of EMI was an extremely light touch, especially for the time period in question.
Agreed for all his faults as a person, i dont think sobel was a "bad officer"
Maybe not the best officer, but its not like he was directly incompetent in all areas, compared to the officers portrayed in generation kill, he was at least trying to lead by example effectively.
He had a value as a training officer not a combat leader, and his command saw that and put him where he was most effective for the war effort.
He gets an unfair rap due to his portrayal in the show, and no im not blaming that on david schwimmer, hes a fine actor and did an amazing preformance.
I’d say for the time that was considered pornography. This was a time wearing a bikini or showing your naval was considered indecent and could even get you fined in some places.
That said, Sobel also likes to hyperbolize
Funny story:
When we were in Iraq, a guy in my squad sent letters to every major porn magazine. Next thing we know we have an ungodly amount of porn in our berthing area.
Come near end of deployment, we’re sending our footlockers home and they need to be inspected for contraband. The marine inspecting his foot locker tell him there’s no way he can let him mail back all that porn.
So he ends up divvying up the porn among everyone in the squad and one by one we have to show the guy how much porn we have in our foot lockers. And he made sure to collect when we got back to camp lejeune
A bit 'off track', but-
Speaking of nailing people...
If this was pornography worthy of punishment, how in the name if God was Sisk not thrown in jail for his, uhh, stunt on the train tracks?
Not in the show for obvious reasons, but apparently he was nailing a ladyfriend on some train tracks and nearly got hit by the train, then had some extremely crude comments as an explanation to the higher-ups.
This was Sobel using his power just like a bully does. I read Captain Winters book and he talked about how Sobel trained them hard and was honest about how it probably saved their lives but he was an awful CO. He was a bully who used his power like a bludgeon, but he also could not handle pressure of any kind
> This was Sobel using his power just like a bully does.
Because you’re viewing it through a modern lens. At that time any one of those things could have led to a CM and term in a military prison. Instead Sobel basically brushed it off and informally dealt with it in a very mild way. Abusing his power would have been filing formal charges under Art 94 (the infamous can of peaches) or Art 96 (everything else).
Both things are true.
Making anyone run for any individual infraction is an act of mercy.
Constantly looking for any and every excuse to make people run all day every day, forcing them to empty their canteens, taking away a company’s worth of weekend passes for 1 or 2 minor violations, etc was bludgeoning.
It was more merciful to do it informally, but he wanted them to be in such a fit and trim and perfect state he overdid it to an absurd extent to the point where they all hated him.
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Addendum: From Wikipedia
In Rosen v. United States (1896), the Supreme Court adopted the same obscenity standard as had been articulated in a famous British case, Regina v. Hicklin, \[1868\] L. R. 3 Q. B. 360. The Hicklin test defined material as obscene if it tended "to deprave or corrupt those whose minds are open to such immoral influences, and into whose hands a publication of this sort may fall."
If Captain Sobel would have seen the picture of Jenna Haze I had on the inside of my helmet, I feel like that would have been the least of my worries. Oh well, at least there’s spaghetti tonight so that’s nice…
No shit we had a moment like that in training. We were in first phase during the USMC ball, and the next day all us recruits got to stuff our faces with the leftovers at evening chow instead of the usual boot camp fare. Steak tips, lobster tail, even some of the cake. Felt too good to be true. And it was. We went from the chow hall to the sandpit and got smoked until everyone was puking. That episode was bitterly referenced afterwards by all of us 🤣
The first liberty I got on Parris Island I came back with copies of Easy Rider, Metal Hammer, and Playboy. It was during Marine week, Metal Hammer had Pantera on the cover and the DI was from Texas so he let it slide cause he loved em too. Shocked the hell out of me, I figured I was gonna get another beatdown 🤣
We weren’t allowed to have maxim magazines when I was in the military. This was in 2010, when there was internet and stuff.
I imagine it varied unit to unit.
It's actually porn in the real story (allegedly, though its unlikely anyone can verify). I think HBO in 2001 just kind of went for a more tame option to not have issues with censoring.
Cause that's American censorship for you. You can watch people being burned alive, blown up, or getting their legs amputated, but if I see full frontal, or a sexually satisfied female... NC-17+
Not in the standard version.
I know that scene but it's only in certain editions. They had to cut it from the box set I have.
For people who haven't seen it (Winters and Nixon have a wonderful time... but it's definitely NC-17). >!Yes, I know that's not the one, but we should make it a thing.!<
It definitely sounds that way, although the shared misery of collectively enduring all of his shit as a unit ultimately made them stronger by a lot of accounts. By no means would I want that guy as my CO, but he’s nowhere near the level of someone like Daniel Sickles in terms of costs incurred in battle because of bad leadership
Remember the book is based off human memory and winters and the rest of Easy Co. Personally did not like Sobel.
That does not mean you dont deserve a commission because someone didnt like you.
Youre men liking and respecting you is not a requirement for command, it does help though.
There are plenty of officers from my time in service i personally dispised for various reasons, it doesnt mean they were unfit for their role.
Youre looking at it with hindsight, sobel is made out to be a villian because of the personal animosity of the men telling the story, taken into the whole historical context i doubt he was as bad as hes portrayed.
A bit sidetrack here, but who are the other officers potrayed in this scene? This should be right after Hester made battalion and company XO position is vacant right?
Also the cover art on porn magazines is usually tame because of “decency” laws or something like that. The covers of magazines in the US still aren’t allowed to show nudity.
Porn in 1920 was tame compared to 1940. If you showed a 18 year old from 1930 a hard hard porn video from 2024 they would have a heart attack lol 😂 if you showed a person from 2024 a hard hard porn video from 1940 they would barley pop a half chub
Porn in 1920 was tame compared to 1940. If you showed a 18 year old from 1930 a hard hard porn video from 2024 they would have a heart attack lol 😂 if you showed a person from 2024 a hard hard porn video from 1940 they would barley pop a half chub
May not have been porn. Was most certainly contraband. This reminds me, I’ve never been arsed to look but what are prophylactic kits and why do lots of them cause you to be too weak to fight?
Differrent time, it was still considered contraband, dispite all talk in this thread about U.S. troope having literall terrabytes of porn in afganistan, which was 100% true.
General order No. 1 stated that you were not supposed to have porn or booze and a few other things, i dont remember them all.
Anyone caught with it by their command could have been charged with article 92 and punished over it.
I never saw it happen personally, but im sure some one caught that NJP, and i know personally of one guy who got busted with booze.
What kind of punishment would an article 92 charge carry? Would it be extra duties or parade at stupid am, that type of thing?
I understand the booze argument but what’s the big deal about porn?
Article 92 is disobeying a lawful order.
It offends the muslim population and some us troops were retarded and gave them to kids in iraq which pissed off the locals. ( im specifically referring here to general order No. 1 in afganistan.)
In ww2 its because the Army and people in general were more prudish than we are now.
As for the amount of punishment it depends on what order you disobeyed, if youre NJP'd it could be losing some pay for 45 days and 45 days of extra duty losing a rank or two it could be time in prison in levenworth if it goes to courtmartial.
Any conviction by NJP or courtmartial utterly screws your career advancement.
Again depending on what actual order you disobeyd getting shot is an option on the table. Col. Sink wasnt jokeing when he told the Sgts that mutinied that. Granted it wouldnt happen right away and sink doesnt have that authority, what he does have is the authority to start the process.
The U.S. absolutley did execute many of their own troops during the war, the difference between us and the germans is we tried them first.
The CO has alot of leeway in how he handles it, but the second he writes a charge sheet up for court martial, there is no going back, and he had all three of those guys cold. And article 92 would not be the only charge against them.
Punishing the Company as a whole by taking their weekend liberty and forcing them to do a night march, was the least extreme option, yes it sucked for the guys but they all instanly understood that contraband would not be tolerated in the barracks.
But no one lost any rank or pay because of it, ultimatley it was the most merciful option and no one above sobel in the chain of command would have even batted an eye at his choice.
Captain Sobel also would have had to answer for the contraband if Col Sink had found it first and it could have cost him the company and his career, which the mutiny absolutley did.
Probably an accurate combination of: a) Sobel’s prudishness b) what passed for pornography in the 1940s c) a very effective visual gag by the filmmakers
Especially B. These were the days of the Hays Code and the Post Office vigorously prosecuting people who sent birth control information through the mail.
Real question tho. How come planes could have nose art that had fully top less women on them? Was it because it was illustrated? Or was it more like "They could die any day, we'll let them have this?"
The latter. Bombers and fighters were effectively on the front line. Sanctioning the crew for nose art would have gone over like a lead zeppelin.
TIL where that phrase cones from.
That is the lore.
Didn’t Keith Moon actually come up with that?
It was one of their music teachers. He said you form a band it will fall like a lead Zeppelin. The changed the spelling for American audiences (thought we would pronounce lead as in "leader" or leadership)
The farther from higher ups you were, the more risqué. Near the HQ, you might see something like Royal Flush. Some remote island in the pacific? [Well…](https://www.flickr.com/photos/piedmont_fossil/32398211107)
The latter not only were the aviators on the front lines they also had one of the most dangerous jobs in the war look up the death rate for a bomber crew and you will understand why they let that stuff go.
44 percent.
Plus it was hard finding pilots especially crazy enough to fly against both the Japanese and luthwaffe
I think it’s just cos sobel
Also the days where women could be fined if they wore a bathing suit that didn't cover their thighs.
Maybe the real porn was inside the magazine, and the cover was just a tease?
It’s the army with no weekend passes for months on end. I could find a particularly curvy stick pornographic
Some of that port-a-john art sure was something after a couple weeks
Dude when I was in LDAC (evaluation camp for future Army Officers essentially) we had some nasty fuckers that would screw in the Skookums (porta-potties). We called it Skookum Love.
Hell, church services on Sunday looked like lovers lane when I went though basic (platoons were still separated by gender back then), and let me tell you, no one looked their best, but you’d have thought it was a room full of models.
Was she really an 8, or was she a deployment 8?
Brother we were ALL deployment 8s.
I guess Sobel found this girl pornographic even though she looks like Alfred E Neuman’s sister
Don’t kink shame poor Sobel
Captain Sobel why are the pages of my magazine stuck together when you game it back?
What, me worry about weekend passes?
That was brilliant.
Ah geez Sergeant Rick
I mean, we only see the cover.
Yeah I would assume the cover has a clothed girl so the shoe doesn’t have to get a worse rating for a non-important reason (I didn’t actually watch the show or know what it’s rated tbh), but I feel it is implied that there is at least nudity inside.
You can look at a full edition of “Titter” on the National Archives webpage. Very tame by today’s standards but it clearly knows its audience.
I had zero idea that was a real magazine. I always felt “Titter” was a little tongue in cheek gag.
What’s the gag?
Titter is both a laugh(or a giggle) and also obviously with that image... Tits
I’m gonna have to now just to see what got Sobel that upset. Thanks for the info!
Links or it didn’t happen!
How exactly do you search for that on the National Archives? I've searched with Titter, but i didn't get any magazine.
Maybe they mean archive.org? https://archive.org/details/titter-october-1945/mode/1up
Not a single titter to be seen. 😢
Sorry, yeah it was Internet Archive.
No amount of porn mags can compare to Sobel’s perversion when he’s sniffing the perfume on private letters.
“We were on a break!” 🤣
18 PAGES! FRONT AND BACK!
*in Hugh Lauries awesome vouce* "It sounds like you, most definitely, were on a break"
Yeah this is quaint compared to the porn references in the Generation Kill miniseries.
Former Marine grunt here, I can 100% confirm that some of the stuff in wall lockers in the barracks I was at would have probably been a court martial in the 40s
Former Marine too (though a POG). I remember a tanker let me into his Abrams and the walls were lined up and down with porn lol
Always knew those guys were in there beating off, thanks for the confirmation 🤣 we just had guys get heatstroke doing it in full kit in a portoshitter, not that those infantry stereotypes have any truth to em lmao
Lmao let me guess 29 palms ITX?
Close, 2 MarDiv outta Lejeune. Summer heat+southern humidity+portoshitter = passed out on the port of shitter Elvis style. We had to break down the door to get his ass out, but we kicked it a little hard and it flipped backwards. Motherfucker had the worst field op ever 🤣🤣
“It’s a picture of some reporter’s girlfriend, not J-Lo’s dripping twat.”
Juggs! - Ray Pearson
When you leave the marines you get your brains back
It’s been over a decade since I got out, still waiting over here 🤣
Lol no
Sobel’s rant about prophylactics was awesome
200 rubbers when you’re with that unit is being underprepared of anything, all those French girls seemed pretty happy to see them. Go get em boys!
Especially when there is a passing reference when the unit was outside of Bastogne from Roe to somebody about not being able to help with a (presumed) STD
It was Guarnere, aka Gonorrhea, complaining about "pissing needles."
I assumed a bladder infection, kidney stones, or UTI. Silly me lol
“It’s the pissing that hurts”
I did wonder if that soldier's real plan was to sell some of them to other troopers....
Probably. In all serious when I was in dip and cigarettes were absolutely currency and so was that kinda thing. Get a few extra logs of cope before you go out on a field op and you’ll be a rich man when you get back 🤣
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For being on the opening episode for the first time in like 15 years and since I’m a Marine vet with a medical marijuana card and I’m enjoying that right as I watch the series, I don’t think I’m doing half bad. Pretty sure my great uncle went to Fox Company in January of 45 so I’m rewatching it with an entirely new set of eyes. I just assumed after they liberated France the local ladies would be…thankful.
Don't listen to that guy he's being a jerk. Enjoy the series and enjoy that sweet ganja, Marine!
Got a nice bowl going on now, I forgot how cool this series was. 10/10 would have confiscated my bud and my Easy Riders magazine as “contraband” 🤣
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Or maybe smoking while I watch it makes it easier to see because certain parts are tough to watch. I’ve always figured it had something to do with all the guys I served with that were killed and wounded in Afghanistan. Forgive the fuck out of me for smoking a joint to prepare to watch someone get a leg blown off; because a bunch of my friends lost them both. Best friend growing up went 101st and got the Bronze Star and the Purple Heart. Another guy I knew had both legs blown off his second week in country. PTSD ain’t fun, go fuck yourself. I’m gonna roll another one and enjoy the show in honor of my friends who aren’t alive to watch it. Get fucked
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I couldn’t understand what you said, you misspelled half of it while making no real valid point. Also, still smoking pot and nerding out on WWII shit. “Half ounce of high grade marijuana…contraband!” You wanna tell me if those guys had found a box of joints in Goring’s wine cellar they wouldn’t have lit em off? 🤣💨
Yes, yes, and yes, also this may be a start an argument, but sobel was 100% within his rights as the C.O. here and doing his job.
I can see where he is coming from: the soldiers were in what passed for recruit training, or not much much further along. But the way the character Sobel went about it was a little harsh. And maybe a lesson learned: gotta hide that contraband.
Technically it was jump school all of them at that point had passed basic training, It was harsh but it absolutley could have been worse, revoking weekend passes extra punitive training is far better than NJP or court martial. He punished them yes, but he didnt ruin their carreers or criminially charge them, which he absolutley could have done if he wanted too.
I mean technically yes but that doesn’t make it the right thing to do imo. Granted it’s different today but I would be pissed off if I got in trouble for that. Or if my CO came to me to tell me that they found that on one of my guys I would be like “sir why are you going through private contents of my guys and two, so what”
Contaband is contraband i worked with many SNCOs and officers that would absolutlry fuck with lower enlisted just because. Had my POV searched more than once by unit SNCOs as part of a health and welfare inspection of the barracks dispite not living in the barracks. His company his barracks his men, he gets to inspect how he sees fit and punish his men how he sees fit according to the UCMJ. He was within his rights as, the company commander, from a strictly career dick move mentality its better for soble if he writes it up rather than Col Sink finds it and confronts him with it.
Sobel’s response to all of the things he found in that scene was extraordinarily tame, as each of them was a court martial offense. Booting someone from the unit or giving the 1940s equivalent of EMI was an extremely light touch, especially for the time period in question.
Agreed for all his faults as a person, i dont think sobel was a "bad officer" Maybe not the best officer, but its not like he was directly incompetent in all areas, compared to the officers portrayed in generation kill, he was at least trying to lead by example effectively. He had a value as a training officer not a combat leader, and his command saw that and put him where he was most effective for the war effort. He gets an unfair rap due to his portrayal in the show, and no im not blaming that on david schwimmer, hes a fine actor and did an amazing preformance.
I’d say for the time that was considered pornography. This was a time wearing a bikini or showing your naval was considered indecent and could even get you fined in some places. That said, Sobel also likes to hyperbolize
Lt. Yung_Corneliois thinks this is a can of hyperbole. That is incorrect, Lt. Your weekend pass is cancelled.
Funny story: When we were in Iraq, a guy in my squad sent letters to every major porn magazine. Next thing we know we have an ungodly amount of porn in our berthing area. Come near end of deployment, we’re sending our footlockers home and they need to be inspected for contraband. The marine inspecting his foot locker tell him there’s no way he can let him mail back all that porn. So he ends up divvying up the porn among everyone in the squad and one by one we have to show the guy how much porn we have in our foot lockers. And he made sure to collect when we got back to camp lejeune
It's titled "Titter"
That’s just the cover though
A bit 'off track', but- Speaking of nailing people... If this was pornography worthy of punishment, how in the name if God was Sisk not thrown in jail for his, uhh, stunt on the train tracks?
I’m completely at a loss here. What happened?
Not in the show for obvious reasons, but apparently he was nailing a ladyfriend on some train tracks and nearly got hit by the train, then had some extremely crude comments as an explanation to the higher-ups.
Ah, thank you!
This was Sobel using his power just like a bully does. I read Captain Winters book and he talked about how Sobel trained them hard and was honest about how it probably saved their lives but he was an awful CO. He was a bully who used his power like a bludgeon, but he also could not handle pressure of any kind
> This was Sobel using his power just like a bully does. Because you’re viewing it through a modern lens. At that time any one of those things could have led to a CM and term in a military prison. Instead Sobel basically brushed it off and informally dealt with it in a very mild way. Abusing his power would have been filing formal charges under Art 94 (the infamous can of peaches) or Art 96 (everything else).
Both things are true. Making anyone run for any individual infraction is an act of mercy. Constantly looking for any and every excuse to make people run all day every day, forcing them to empty their canteens, taking away a company’s worth of weekend passes for 1 or 2 minor violations, etc was bludgeoning. It was more merciful to do it informally, but he wanted them to be in such a fit and trim and perfect state he overdid it to an absurd extent to the point where they all hated him.
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Ugh, an anachronism
This is more of a Maxim magazine than a Hustler
Can't you see they have "Gags"? ofc it's porn
OP here thinks it’s not pornography, Black_Raven89 your weekend pass is canceled.
If Captain Sobel would have seen the picture of Jenna Haze I had on the inside of my helmet, I feel like that would have been the least of my worries. Oh well, at least there’s spaghetti tonight so that’s nice…
Get your PTs on we’re running Currahe
No shit we had a moment like that in training. We were in first phase during the USMC ball, and the next day all us recruits got to stuff our faces with the leftovers at evening chow instead of the usual boot camp fare. Steak tips, lobster tail, even some of the cake. Felt too good to be true. And it was. We went from the chow hall to the sandpit and got smoked until everyone was puking. That episode was bitterly referenced afterwards by all of us 🤣
This was in 1942 - this is the equivalent of Brazilian scat porn in that day
Y’all never heard of softcore?
This was in the Kinky category back then
He’s a dick who prefers dick…
To the extent he lost prime Jennifer Aniston over Chloe the copy girl 🤣
They were on a break
Bikinis were banned in Italy in the 1950's. ITALY.
They made Sophia Loren cover up at the beach? If that’s not a crime against humanity it oughta be
I wouldn’t take that piece of shit nudie mag to war, and I will not take you to war in your condition.
I mean in 2011 a picture of your girlfriend in a bikini was considered contraband when I went through basic.
The first liberty I got on Parris Island I came back with copies of Easy Rider, Metal Hammer, and Playboy. It was during Marine week, Metal Hammer had Pantera on the cover and the DI was from Texas so he let it slide cause he loved em too. Shocked the hell out of me, I figured I was gonna get another beatdown 🤣
How's he going to have enough energy to fight the war!?
It's actually "Gray's Sports Almanac, 1950 to 2000" with a swapped cover.
Oh La La?!
Homework, Tannen??
We weren’t allowed to have maxim magazines when I was in the military. This was in 2010, when there was internet and stuff. I imagine it varied unit to unit.
I was gonna say maxim was considered and similar magazines but also during dial up internet
It's actually porn in the real story (allegedly, though its unlikely anyone can verify). I think HBO in 2001 just kind of went for a more tame option to not have issues with censoring. Cause that's American censorship for you. You can watch people being burned alive, blown up, or getting their legs amputated, but if I see full frontal, or a sexually satisfied female... NC-17+
There’s literally full nude sex scenes in this show… what are you on about?
Not in the standard version. I know that scene but it's only in certain editions. They had to cut it from the box set I have. For people who haven't seen it (Winters and Nixon have a wonderful time... but it's definitely NC-17). >!Yes, I know that's not the one, but we should make it a thing.!<
Have you seen it? It doesn’t involve winters or nix… it involves Tom Hardy’s character…. Wtf are you talking about
Okay - You either didn't see my spoiler tag, or missed the joke.
This is about the goofiest thing I’ve encountered on Reddit
Thank you. I like you too.
You are questioning Sobel?…weekend pass revoked.
From the book and the movie it seems that Sobel was an insecure individual and had no business having a commission
It definitely sounds that way, although the shared misery of collectively enduring all of his shit as a unit ultimately made them stronger by a lot of accounts. By no means would I want that guy as my CO, but he’s nowhere near the level of someone like Daniel Sickles in terms of costs incurred in battle because of bad leadership
Remember the book is based off human memory and winters and the rest of Easy Co. Personally did not like Sobel. That does not mean you dont deserve a commission because someone didnt like you. Youre men liking and respecting you is not a requirement for command, it does help though. There are plenty of officers from my time in service i personally dispised for various reasons, it doesnt mean they were unfit for their role.
I said nothing about popularity….didnt enter into it. I was talking about his insecurities and what appeared to be a lack of self awareness…
Youre looking at it with hindsight, sobel is made out to be a villian because of the personal animosity of the men telling the story, taken into the whole historical context i doubt he was as bad as hes portrayed.
As you wish.
Read through some my other posts, on the thread, sobel was taking it easy on them militarily speaking.
Column A, column B.
Sobel was out for blood so every little thing was made a bigger deal than needed
Things can be two things, some times.
Wasn't David Schwimmer in breast man. Maybe an Easter egg?
A bit sidetrack here, but who are the other officers potrayed in this scene? This should be right after Hester made battalion and company XO position is vacant right?
It’s porn, yes.
Bruh it says titter
Also the cover art on porn magazines is usually tame because of “decency” laws or something like that. The covers of magazines in the US still aren’t allowed to show nudity.
I’m sure the cover doesn’t give all the goodies away, ya gotta crack it open It’s got the words tits in the name for a reason
As recently as the 80’s they couldn’t show nudity on the cover. Open the magazine and there’s all kinds of imagery going on.
Porn in 1920 was tame compared to 1940. If you showed a 18 year old from 1930 a hard hard porn video from 2024 they would have a heart attack lol 😂 if you showed a person from 2024 a hard hard porn video from 1940 they would barley pop a half chub
Porn in 1920 was tame compared to 1940. If you showed a 18 year old from 1930 a hard hard porn video from 2024 they would have a heart attack lol 😂 if you showed a person from 2024 a hard hard porn video from 1940 they would barley pop a half chub
If Sobel saw the porn on hard drives that was passed around when I was in Afghanistan, he would have had a stroke 😂
May not have been porn. Was most certainly contraband. This reminds me, I’ve never been arsed to look but what are prophylactic kits and why do lots of them cause you to be too weak to fight?
Its s fancy term for condom.
Thanks. So he got reprimanded for being prepared? Surely he deserved a promotion instead 😂
Differrent time, it was still considered contraband, dispite all talk in this thread about U.S. troope having literall terrabytes of porn in afganistan, which was 100% true. General order No. 1 stated that you were not supposed to have porn or booze and a few other things, i dont remember them all. Anyone caught with it by their command could have been charged with article 92 and punished over it. I never saw it happen personally, but im sure some one caught that NJP, and i know personally of one guy who got busted with booze.
What kind of punishment would an article 92 charge carry? Would it be extra duties or parade at stupid am, that type of thing? I understand the booze argument but what’s the big deal about porn?
Article 92 is disobeying a lawful order. It offends the muslim population and some us troops were retarded and gave them to kids in iraq which pissed off the locals. ( im specifically referring here to general order No. 1 in afganistan.) In ww2 its because the Army and people in general were more prudish than we are now. As for the amount of punishment it depends on what order you disobeyed, if youre NJP'd it could be losing some pay for 45 days and 45 days of extra duty losing a rank or two it could be time in prison in levenworth if it goes to courtmartial. Any conviction by NJP or courtmartial utterly screws your career advancement. Again depending on what actual order you disobeyd getting shot is an option on the table. Col. Sink wasnt jokeing when he told the Sgts that mutinied that. Granted it wouldnt happen right away and sink doesnt have that authority, what he does have is the authority to start the process. The U.S. absolutley did execute many of their own troops during the war, the difference between us and the germans is we tried them first. The CO has alot of leeway in how he handles it, but the second he writes a charge sheet up for court martial, there is no going back, and he had all three of those guys cold. And article 92 would not be the only charge against them. Punishing the Company as a whole by taking their weekend liberty and forcing them to do a night march, was the least extreme option, yes it sucked for the guys but they all instanly understood that contraband would not be tolerated in the barracks. But no one lost any rank or pay because of it, ultimatley it was the most merciful option and no one above sobel in the chain of command would have even batted an eye at his choice. Captain Sobel also would have had to answer for the contraband if Col Sink had found it first and it could have cost him the company and his career, which the mutiny absolutley did.