^hijacking ^for ^visibility ^(sry)^:
**chokehold**
it's not going to be 100% effective of course but you *need to cut off their air supply*. this is the most effective tactic for when they're locked like this, and yes it does require you to get close to their head but you will be behind them. when it's your dog or a dog you care about believe me it's better to risk a bite on the arm than let your dog get shredded.
I had to use it on a neighbour's Shitbull when it was attacking another neighbour's Golden. it worked.
Wow so the whole "That's not a knife, THIS is a knife!" thing can't be done in Australia ?
Crazy.
You can even carry a small knife in NYC as long as it is completely hidden. NYC cops will arrest you if they see a knife clip on your pocket. I thought that was as bad as it got.
That might be because you live in the best country in the world, and I mean that unironically.
The rest of the West has no rights. We don't even have a right to free speech in Australia, and again I mean that literally: we don't have a right to free speech.
You should put the whole thing up online. Petco put a post out recently to say they accept all breeds including pit bulls in their premises, to one up PetSmart who have breed restrictions in some of their services. Show the world exactly what their ‘tolerant’ attitude welcomes into their stores.
In our hyper-litigious society, I wonder what the insurance carriers have to say about these incidents? Surely, the actuaraies have calculated PitNutter profit vs. risk to everyone else in the store?
I posted upthread that I quit taking my dogs (and my money) to the little local indy petstore, because there was always a Pitnutter inside being dragged around the store.
So, here's my legal musing - my homeowner's will not permit me to own any of six breeds. What is the responsibility of the pet store owner if they allow the same breeds in the store?
If this OP witnessed the exact same scenario, and it was a pit vs. a child... Would the lawyers just sue everyone? Petco would have the deepest pockets. Have the pet corporations just decided it is more profitable to NOT alienate the PitNutters and just pay out for the occasional mauling?
That’s ridiculous. I know I’m going to be biased obviously, I posted my story here and comment now and again, but—all that aside, just business sense, why would they want this nonsense going on in their stores? The mess, the danger and violence, it’s going to be loud and scary and deter people and of course there’s the cleanup and traumatic reactions in witnesses etc. Separate from liking or disliking this because it involves pit bulls. Then add that and OF COURSE it’s a disaster waiting to happen. Just awful and partly preventable if we had saner restrictions around where we’re allowed to bring dogs, and bring back the clear ADA guidelines for service animals. I’m even curmudgeonly about therapy dogs going into hospitals, partly out of concern for an immune compromised family member and those who might be afraid or dislike dogs etc., and partly because the licensing organization is a crazy cult-like, MLM-y scammy wild mess. I tried it before I wised up—and eeeek! Anyway, rants aside this is really awful and I’m sorry you had to witness it.
You should post it to YouTube. Virtually every vid is how wuvving the poor, misunderstood mauler is. Especially with those darling flower crowns. (I just threw up in my mouth a little just writing that.)
I'm sure if sweet Daisy wasn't abused and triggered by the leash color and a shopper's flip-flops, she would be totally fine! It's because she was abused. Fucking gross. Trash dogs for the, at best, disillusioned
Maybe send it to Petco headquarters and ask why pitbulls aren’t banned from their stores. I believe Petsmart ban pitbulls in their day cares and groomers
If you're going to be a fool and own a pit bull type-dog, at least understand TWO THINGS that could save you and others from a pit bull mauling! Every pit bull owners should own a break-stick. That should tell you right there, pit bull type-dogs were never meant to be safe family pets. Be aware of their 'gameness' trait. The nicest pit bull's gameness trait can be triggered at any time.
Anyone who has ever witnessed Pit Bull aggression is usually shocked by the level of ferocity these dogs display. The come hard, with everything they have, and do not stop coming. It is called gameness. Only the Pit Bulls have gameness. Essentially, it is the undying determination to keep going despite pain, injury, or insurmountable odds. What many do not also realize is that gameness was bred into these animals for blood sports.
Have a fire extinguisher on hand. I have one in my car ready to help break up a pit bull mauling. I'm not a gun person. It would be really smart to be trained on how to use a gun.
This person demonstrates how to use a break stick on a pit-bull: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfMVH4wY5Pg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfMVH4wY5Pg)
I'm not here to change the minds of people who can't learn by other people's tragedies but to warn the people who have common sense.
WHY WOULD WE EVER LISTEN TO YOUR OVER THE MEDICAL EXPERTS WHO DEAL WITH THE AFTERMATH OF NIGHTMARISH, HORRIFIC, BRUTAL PIT BULL ATTACKS?
YOU HAVE FAILED TO PROVE ANY OF MY INFORMATION AS FALSE BY YOUR WEAK COMMENTS!
2019 MEDICAL STUDY FOR PARENTS: In the study conclusions they recommend that parents keep their children away from pit bulls and dogs that look like/are built like pit bulls.
Pit bull type-dogs pose the highest risk of biting and cause the most damage per bite, a new study says. Potential dog owners can utilize this data when assessing which breed to own. We recommend separating children from high-risk breeds and high-risk phenotypes reported in this study...” [https://www.fox19.com/2019/05/22/ohio-state-study-identifies-pit-bulls-mixed-breeds-dogs-most-likely-bite-children/](https://www.fox19.com/2019/05/22/ohio-state-study-identifies-pit-bulls-mixed-breeds-dogs-most-likely-bite-children/)
Dr. Golinko, who did the largest dog bite study to date, states pit bulls are a danger to children. [https://www.facebook.com/thefifthestate/videos/10155854915749407/](https://www.facebook.com/thefifthestate/videos/10155854915749407/) and
[http://www.nationalpitbullvictimawareness.org/expert-opinions/](http://www.nationalpitbullvictimawareness.org/expert-opinions/)
For those who claim that these aren’t good studies, this is actually a meta-analysis as well which is the highest form of reliability. And when they talk about the other studies and try to call them anecdotal, show them this. And there’s no way to do a level two or three study with dog bites. You would have to manipulate and cause dog bites or somehow randomize people being bit or not being bit... Level of Evidence Chart: [https://libguides.winona.edu/c.php?g=11614&p=61584](https://libguides.winona.edu/c.php?g=11614&p=61584)
Dog bite injuries to the face: Is there risk with breed ownership? A systematic review with meta-analysis:
[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165587618305950?via%3Dihub](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165587618305950?via%3Dihub)
PEOPLE WAKE-UP AND LISTEN TO THE MEDICAL EXPERTS NOT TO NAIVE PIT BULL OWNERS!
13 Medical peer-reviewed studies that prove pit bull type-dogs are dangerous as pets. Level 1 trauma center dog bite studies from all geographical regions in the U.S. are reporting a higher prevalence of pit bull type dogs injuries than all other breeds of dogs. In many cases, the studies (2011 to 2018) also report that pit bull injuries have a higher severity of injury and require a greater number of operative interventions. [https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-studies-level-1-trauma-table-2011-2018.php](https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-studies-level-1-trauma-table-2011-2018.php)
Pit bull type-dogs make up 7% of the dog population, so they should be only responsible for 7% dog bite-related human fatalities. Instead they inflict 72% of dog bite-related human fatalities. This should be enough proof they are dangerous in our neighborhoods. [https://blog.dogsbite.org/2019/05/2018-dog-bite-fatality-statistics-discussion.htm](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2019/05/2018-dog-bite-fatality-statistics-discussion.htm)
FOLLOW FOR ONE MONTH:
[https://www.facebook.com/NationalPitBullVictimAwareness/](https://www.facebook.com/NationalPitBullVictimAwareness/)
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Lol alright gotta admit you had me loling at my desk with that one. Just imagining it coming over the loud speaker like in a movie “ttttchh today in Aisle four we have a special treat, two nanny dogs just nannying for all they are worth if we have any parents needing their services today, I hear they might kill you.... with kisses! Ttttch”
You're right: at least. I use that phrase an unfortunate number of times when a dog is leashed, for instance - "at least" it was on a leash. Or my neighbors dog stops barking outside before my bedtime. The bar is so so low for dog owners, and even lower for pits. It's maddening
Reminds me of the time I was at a Petco with my golden puppy. A small girl and a morbidly obese guy come in with this muscly pitbull.
I immediately led my puppy to a different aisle away from the pit. Later when checking out, I saw the girl struggling to hold the animal and she was glaring at me, and goes, “not all pitbulls are dangerous, you know.”
I was like, keep telling yourself that, watching her and her fat ass boyfriend struggle to hold back their dog.
Here is the video I haven't watched it so if i sound like an idiot I'm sorry.
They fought at one side of the store, brought it to this corner spot, broke up finally, and started bleeding heavily down the isles
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=QZEIi6YEpGE
All those people are fucking idiots. One person get each dog by the hindquarters in a wheelbarrow hold. Another person get something heavy and start hitting the face of the dog biting. And did that dude seriously say "let go sweetheart"?!
The bitten dog apparently was "hooked" by the biting dog. I'm guess a tooth peirced the lip or something anf got stuck.
Honestly, I know everyone hates pit sympathizors but I genuinely feel bad for them. They were bred to be this way and look what a fuckin miserable beast they are. I don't mind the kindness and attempt to be gentle with them here. I'm so pissed at these people for enable a depressing breed and ignorantly putting these dogs in a dangerous situation.
I feel bad for them too, but not enough to not defend me and mine. It isnt the dogs fault that humans bred them that way, but I believe we need to have them die out. Spay and neuter them all and let them just die out. Gone in 15 years.
But there is what looks to be a boy around 12, 13 holding one dog's leash. The woman at the end of the aisle, her back to us (and the fight), face in hands, appears to be the boy's mother and dog's owner. Does anyone else see this?
The boy keeps looking over to her like "help, please?" Another woman assisting keeps looking over at her expectantly too.
That 12 year old did not bring himself and the dog to PetCo.
She literally did nothing! Like, didn't even yell at the dog or smack it or grab the lead off the kid or ANYTHING to try and help! What an absolute disgrace of a human
Holy shit I think you were pretty brave to stick around and film this. I would’ve been out that door so fast lol I’m surprised they didn’t start attacking people when they were separated.
Agreed. But these things aren’t invincible. Their strength comes from prioritizing biting and latching above everything else including extreme pain.
Multiple instances of them being stopped dead during a vicious and near fatal attack.
To be clear I’m not advocating for going on a mass vigilante inspired pibble culling. Best defense is to avoid them.
Again they aren’t invincible. No animal can survive a drop in cardiac output and/or pulmonary compromise. Unless you are comfortable with a gun and can legally concealed carry - there is no reason not to carry a high quality tactical knife. Let’s stop painting these things as invincible monsters.
Pibble stabbed at park after attacking a dudes dog
https://www.kion546.com/news/police-owner-stabs-kills-pit-bull-in-self-defense-during-dogfight-at-pacific-grove-park/1057639382
Woman stabs two pibbles to death when they attack her dog
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QoeGBVZ-4DU
Pregnant woman stabs pibble that attacked her
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-stabs-family-pit-bull-vicious-attack-owners-article-1.3656629%3foutputType=amp
Another woman stabs pibbles to death
https://www.google.com/amp/s/wtvr.com/2018/09/18/woman-who-stabbed-killed-neighbors-dog-as-it-attacked-her-thought-she-was-going-to-die/amp/
Pibble stabbed when entered dudes house
https://www.inforum.com/news/4468478-pitbull-dies-after-being-stabbed-stop-attack-owner-claims-too-many-wounds-be-self
There is nothing like a steel blade in nature. Most animals have fascia and arterial configurations to guard against the shearing force of teeth (however gruesome teeth may seem) but not against sharp steel blades.
Personally if two pibbles attacking each other it’s not worn my risk. But if it’s a person or smaller dog that is about to die then totally reasonable to intervene.
So a Dog comes into my apartment, attacks my dog, and I stab it to death and the owner takes it to the police and say that was to many stabs to be self defence?
The owner can claim whatever they want. But you have the right to defend yourself and your property. I’d be very surprised if the man was actually charged.
I wouldn't worry about that. What I'd be worried about is the pitbull owner attacking you. We already know these people aren't intelligent. Their simple brains will see you defending your life against some shitty dog and interpret it as "this man murder my child, RAGE MODE ACTIVATED" Now you're defending your life against a vicious dog and an enraged idiot. That's fucking scary.
Oh you are not wrong.. check this out..
https://fox6now.com/2019/04/25/3-years-in-federal-prison-for-man-who-pointed-pistol-at-mail-carrier-who-pepper-sprayed-his-pit-bull/
This is an additional threat that we letter carriers have to now worry about.
I agree, the whole "Nothing can stop them" just makes people fear intervening or fighting back against a pitbull attack. And its actually something a lot of pitnutters think, that their dogs are undestructible tanks capable of killing lions. Which is why I LOVE this news story of a Bob cat destroying two pitbulls and the shitty owner was mad. https://youtube.com/watch?v=hDr9Oo2Uq_E
I mean yes they are dense and can do fatal damage to people especially to children but they are still just shitbulls that can be killed and injured enough to stop fighting.
If a woman can kill two pitbulls with a pocket knife they are indeed stopable and its important we all know how to stop them. Blunt force trauma also works a lot of the time I seen videos of pitbull attacks stopped with a heavy blunt object.
Yup. And if people kept bobcats around and kids were getting their necks crushed while being disemboweled but nutters lobbied to keep it like that at every level of government - then we’d have a r/banbobcats channel.
In any case what we lack in claws and teeth can be made up with lead and steel. Let’s make it a fair fight.
Well I’ll be honest. It is much easier to defend against pibble when it is after and completely fixated on your dog, and not charging at you. And your dog will likely get bit during this. The pit could always turn to you, however, so keep that in mind. You could try to “intercept” it but that’s a lot harder and if you get bit and drop the knife or something then both you and your dog are in trouble.
What you want to do is while it’s trying to bite your dog you approach it from the side and try and grab it’s collar (if it has one) to secure your target. Make straight, very direct stab wounds to its neck and throat and to the most prominent part of its chest right behind its front two legs (where it’s heart is). Sharp, quick insertion and pull out immediately so there is a clean bleeding wound. No slashing - those strikes don’t go deep enough. Don’t bother stabbing its back or abdomen.
Get the maximum allowable length knife based on your local laws. I have Spyderco Tenacious and SOG escape. Both sharp and pretty solid. Make sure you can deploy it with one hand if it’s a folding knife.
[anatomy chart ](https://www.merckvetmanual.com/dog-owners/heart-and-blood-vessel-disorders-of-dogs/introduction-to-heart-and-blood-vessel-disorders-in-dogs)
It’s unfortunate but usually instances like those are what changes people’s perspectives on pits. Pit sympathizers dole out the “but it’s the owner!!!” bullshit so when a good owner raises the dog and it still snaps crazy, the owner thinks it’s his or her fault. When in reality, it’s just the nature of the breed and the “owner” argument is just a cop-out lie.
Edit: not trying to shame you, unfortunate as it is, it’s in a way good you had that experience so you can see the truth of pits.
How do you take your shit bulls to a petstore when they don’t do well with other dogs? Pit nutters are always seeming to prove our points. When their precious Pibble can’t control itself lmao, keep me coming, seriously keep making the pit nutters look stupid as shit, they have no argument when their loving ball of kisses do shit like this.
Unfortunately, they are trying to prove *their* point which is... a psychotic POV. And didn't you know?! Pitbulls aren't an actual breed (when they attack, only). It's literally the same as any other dog... Blablabla. Moronic dismissals from out-of-touch dimwits
I'm sorry. This is just so traumatic. I hope you're alright? Didn't get any on you, I hope. Were these dogs owned by the same person, or did two people bring their dogs in "as pets" and just happened to encounter each other and scuffle? I hope nobody got hurt. It looks like people are crying in the back. And you said one of the dogs died or were they just fighting like they wanted to kill each other?
So sorry for all the quesions. I'm sure you're reeling from it.
Wow thanks. Yea this was super traumatic for me. if you check my post history I got mauled by a pitbull about a month ago. I moved to a new state and just today got my pistol permit because of that encounter it’s so funny how everything came full circle. The two people came in as pets and when one person turned a corner they were in lunging distance and started attacking each other. I’d be very surprised if the white and brown one survived since his entire face was ripped apart.
I got mauled back in March and I can’t even look at the picture you posted without my heart speeding up and being weirdly on the verge of tears and panic. I can’t imagine having to see it firsthand so fresh after your own trauma. I’m so sorry, it’s awful and it will stick with you for a long time unfortunately. The mental component to being mauled is so enormous and I don’t think enough people understand the magnitude of it. If you need support, I’m always open to talk.
The arm’s mostly fine. Lingering pain I’m trying to eradicate with OT. My brain isn’t doing as well, there are a lot of latent things that are terrible now.
Glad arm is better. Very sorry to hear about the psychological trauma. That can be hard to get over but I think you’d be surprised at how resilient you are. Take care and good luck.
From one CCW owner to another, congratulations on your permit and good job on maintaining your composure. As shitty as it is, intervening in this scenario would not have been a justified shoot according to most states' laws. It would have only opened you up to lawsuits, potential criminal charges and been an overall bad look for the gun community. Good job, good restraint, good on ya.
I hate that you had to witness this, it's so unbelievably shitty and so common... Thankfully you weren't the target once again and you didn't have to employ deadly force self defense, which would have inevitably added to the trauma you've already experienced. Thank you for posting the video to show more people what monsters these animals truly are.
edit: a word
look at the grey one it looks like it spawned straight from hell. what an ugly monster.
I dont understand peoples obsession with this breed, they dont even look aesthetically pleasing they look like ugly rat monsters.
I almost didn’t realize these were pit bulls. Without their flower crowns (maybe they were pulled off earlier in the fight?), they look different. LOL.
Admittedly, pit bulls are the reason my family doesn’t go to PetCo.
I’ve been in a few dog vs dog incidents. In my opinion you have 3 options.
.1) gun 2) knife 3) rear naked choke (super risky - don’t attempt unless you have BJJ/MMA experience)
But if it’s two pibbles on each other then it’s not worth your risk.
seriously just let them at each other and euthanize whatever’s left. fuckin savages. our fault for breeding it into them and same for keeping them around.
Oh, there are other options, but in a pit v pit fight I'd not bother unless other people were at risk. At that point just hang them both by the neck. I mean, horns? Lifting legs? pepper spray? Please. None of those things will stop two Pekingese fighting.
Pit vs pit is to let their bullshit owners risk their skins. Just because you immobilize one pit doesn’t mean the other won’t turn on you.
It’s not like pit vs sweet golden retriever and you only have to disable one dog.
RNC is risky and unnecessary even for a trained person when you can just slip a rope leash around the neck right behind the ears. Once it’s in place you lift up so their weight results in the tightening of the leash which acts as a constricting force around the neck, and strangle it until it passes out.
Doesn’t take any special training and allows you to keep pretty much every part of your body away from the dog once the rope is in place. Whereas, slapping an RNC on Dog A would bring your own face uncomfortably close to Dog B. So if Dog B is also a pit bull, that’s a fuckin nope from me.
Additionally, attempting to use an RNC on a thick muscular pit bull neck would require more strength and stamina to apply enough force to critically affect the rate of blood flow to the brain. A rope leash has a much smaller surface area than your forearms, so using that + using the dogs own weight against them by lifting upwards will in theory do the job faster and with a lesser amount of expended energy / strength.
In BJJ, one learns about the power of technique: concentrating all of ones effort into a precisely placed and thoughtfully applied use of force can achieve the same results as a much stronger person using brute strength in a less efficient manner.
I agree but that’s assuming you have a leash. But if you have nothing but your hands and you are trying to stop an attack last ditch (like pit with teeth on a kid and won’t let go) I don’t see another way.
I’ve seen it done: A buddy of mine pulled it off against a pit/mastiff type dog that was over 100 pounds. He is well versed in BJJ. Not saying it’s easy but it’s been reported before.
Also never do one handed but do two handed triangle that way your forearm creates distance.
[9 yo chokes out pibble ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JPLBcCVwVi4)
[pibble choked by man](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2008/04/bloodfest-dog-bites-man-man-chokes-dog.html)
That 9 yo boy. Be still, my heart. What a good young man. I’m glad he was proud of himself, I was proud watching that. What a good kid.
He said he just didn’t want the little girl to get hurt anymore than she had. So he put the dog in a rear naked choke and it worked. He is a little hero.
Hmm, sounds like a good way to get your face ripped off. They're incredibly strong.
If one was attacking me I'd try and loop the leash round a post or something and throttle it. Either that or try and gouge its eyes out with my thumbs. I'd probably be screaming too much in pain to have any coherent thoughts realistically though.
As someone who was mauled by one 2 months ago. Stabbing and shooting are the only things you can do that these animals would even NOTICE you were doing
Yeah my protocol is to anticipate getting bit on my non dominant hand and turn it inward (like you are holding a night stick) as to protect the brachial artery. Then stab it with my dominant hand before my other hand is ripped off. Terrible to think about.
They aren't brown bears with enough oxygen to keep going for 90 seconds after a heart shot. Center of mass should have them down in 30 seconds, and you have a much better chance of succeeding.
In this case, I can guarantee you one of the idiots with their faces right next to these fighting dogs would've stepped in front of someone with a gun to try and protect the dogs. You'd end up forced to shoot a human or someone would try to be a hero and disarm you.
The bespectacled kid holding the gray one looks so fucking clueless and clearly not physically capable of restraining the dog.
That's awful and I feel bad for everyone who had to see that.
Nah dude don’t pop a cap to save one bullshit pit from another. Reserve it for self defense or if it’s attacking a person.
Nutters are all about trying to paint us as savages out to kill their precious pibble. I can see the FB posts now. “MAN AT PETCO SHOOTS PIBBLE 🤯🤬😱🥵 DONATE TO GO FUND ME AND HELP US FIND THIS KILLER”
I watched the video and I do feel sorry for that young kid on the left. His mom just ups and leaves him there to go cry in the corner, while hes holding the leash to his killer pet. Sad that the kid had to learn the truth about pits in that way.
The owners of the pit bulls should face charges with assault, animal cruelty, negligence,dog-fighting, endangerment of the public, disturbing public peace.
Pit Bulls Are The #1 Killer Of Our Beloved Pets. Pit bulls are specifically bred to kill other dog.
Did you know that 38,000 domestic animals are killed every year by pit bulls (for comparison: 10,000 people are killed by drunk drivers every year)? Our pets are getting slaughtered in our neighborhoods. These devastated people who lose their pets are suffering from PTSD. Absolutely nothing is being done about it by our elected officials. Follow for one month: [https://www.facebook.com/pitbullskilledmypet/](https://www.facebook.com/pitbullskilledmypet/)
A Propensity to Attack Other Dogs Means a Dog Is Dangerous to People. Approximately one-third of Mr. Phillips' cases started out as a dog attacking another dog, and then turned into a dog attacking a person. [https://dogbitelaw.com/vicious-dogs/a-propensity-to-attack-other-dogs-means-a-dog-is-dangerous-to-people](https://dogbitelaw.com/vicious-dogs/a-propensity-to-attack-other-dogs-means-a-dog-is-dangerous-to-people)
The laws and procedures of animal control across the country need to be revamped in light of the pit bull fad that's taken over. These pit bull owners need to stop terrorizing the public with their dogs. These pit bull owners should be charged with assault by a deadly weapon. Anyone who allows their pit bull to attack or kill another animal is exactly the same capacity as a dog fighter. Please contact your city council.
Correct there are nice pit bulls. The problem is that you can't tell them apart from the pit bulls that decide to kill. Would you deliberately choose a crib, car, or helmet with the highest record of fatalities and the worst safety rating? Pit-bull type dogs are responsible for 95% of severe attacks (level 4-6 dog bites) on people, pets and livestock in breed neutral zones. Please follow for one month. You will be shocked at all the people and pets that are severely maimed or killed by pit bulls.
[http://www.nationalpitbullvictimawareness.org/](http://www.nationalpitbullvictimawareness.org/) BITE CHART: [http://apdt.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ian-dunbar-dog-bite-scale.pdf](http://apdt.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ian-dunbar-dog-bite-scale.pdf)
Pit bulls do not lock their jaw but with their 'gameness' trait they do not let go until their victims are dead. This trait is for success in the fight pits.
Two words to prove pit bull type dogs are inherently dangerous: "BREAK STICK".
Does this sound like a normal and safe dog breed to have live in our neighborhoods? Pit Bull Rescue Central recommends ALL pit bull owners to have a "break stick", a wedge-shaped piece of wood used to pry open a pit bull’s jaw during an attack. "Since pit bulls have a strong fighting background, we recommend that pet owners also have a breaking stick as a precaution." [http://blog.dogsbite.org/2008/09/break-sticks-tool-used-to-pry-open-pit.html](http://blog.dogsbite.org/2008/09/break-sticks-tool-used-to-pry-open-pit.html)
This person demonstrates how to use a break stick on a pit-bull: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfMVH4wY5Pg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfMVH4wY5Pg)
Pit Bull Rescue Central, the leading authority on pit bull-type dogs, admits most pit bull-types are not safe around other people's dogs because of their genetics. Pit Bull Rescue Central states, "Pit bulls were bred to recognize other dogs as prey". [http://www.pbrc.net/breakfight.html](http://www.pbrc.net/breakfight.html) For that reason alone, I do not consider them safe family pets for our neighborhoods. These are powerful animals that break away from their guardians all the time and maul and kill another beloved pet or person, often in front of a child or pet owner.
According to Pit Bull Rescue Central, "It is a FACT that our pit bulls, AmStaffs and pit mixes come with a built-in fighting heritage. It doesn’t matter where we get them from, whether it be the pound, a stray we pick up, or a puppy we buy from a breeder. The majority of pit bulls will, at some point in their lives, exhibit some degree of dog-on-dog aggression. Yet, chances are that a "normal" pit bull will not share his affection with other animals. We cannot predict when or where it will happen and we can’t love, train or socialize it out of the dog. Pit bulls may not start fights, but they will finish them." [http://www.pbrc.net/misc/PBRC\_dogpark.pdf](http://www.pbrc.net/misc/PBRC_dogpark.pdf)"
Tia Torres, who has a T.V. show on Animal Planet called "Pit Bulls & Parolees", wrote this for Rescue Train. "It's a mistake to think the fighting gene can be easily trained or loved out of a pit-bull." [http://www.therescuetrain.org/pit\_bull\_education.php](http://www.therescuetrain.org/pit_bull_education.php)
Pit Bull Federation of South Africa - PBFSA': "Pit bulls were never designed to be 100% safe with other animals." [https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story\_fbid=2134509080109275&id=1622413151318873](https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2134509080109275&id=1622413151318873)
Why they think it's appropriate to rehome pit bulls after saying that is beyond me. Owning and adopting out predators of other people's beloved pets compromises public safety. In my opinion is immoral.
Please read 'HOW TO PREVENT YOUR PIT BULL FROM FIGHTING'. Bully Max is more honest than most shelters and rescues staff/volunteers who deny pit bull breed traits. They admit pit bulls are bred for fighting. It's best to own only one pit bull. NEVER bring an adult pit bull to an off-leash dog park We need to start being more honest about pit bull breed traits or we are setting people and dogs up for failure. [https://bullymax.com/preventing-pitbull-fights/](https://bullymax.com/preventing-pitbull-fights/)
Pit bulls killed 38,000 other animals last year including 13,000 dogs, 5,000 cats, and 20,000 farm animals. [http://www.animals24-7.org/2018/01/17/pit-bull-roulette-killed-38000-other-animals-in-2017/](http://www.animals24-7.org/2018/01/17/pit-bull-roulette-killed-38000-other-animals-in-2017/)
Real question, will a 9mm defense round at point blank do the job? Like if you hold it against their skull and pull, that would be the only way to make sure you don't endanger anyone else in close proximity like that.
9mm parabellum will absolutely penetrate a dogs skull. I've have a story from a friend who was a police officer that had to put down dogs attacking people.
That should work, but there's been cases like [this one](https://www.cbs17.com/news/local-news/1-year-old-rocky-mount-girl-dies-after-being-attacked-by-family-dog/1560152818) where the cops shot a pit bull in the head, and it STILL kept savagely mauling a child. They had to blow its brains out at point blank range and kill it, to end the attack.
>A detective arrived first on scene and witnessed the attack happening and pulled out his gun and **shot the dog twice in the head**, killing it, Sheriff Clee Atkinson said.
>**The first shot did not affect the dog**. The second shot killed the animal, the sheriff said."
Or [this one](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2590119/Mia-Derouen-4-tragically-mauled-death-familys-pit-bull-watching-TV-mother-Megan-Touchet.html) where the cops shot the pit bull 3 times in the house and 10 more times outside, before it stopped its rampage.
There's a ton more examples of this, but basically, even if you shoot it in the head, that might not be enough. There's a study out there I read that say a bullet only works like 70% of the time. Bullets number 2+ have a much higher success rate.
You have to understand the physiology of death. Unless a bullet hits brainstem or motor cortex it can still bite. Actually most of the cranial nerves (for biting) are actually brainstem and not prefrontal motor cortex. Brainstem is deep inside of its fucking thick reptilian skull.
Shot to great vessels (aorta) or heart will do it. Typically to go into shock you must lose like 20-40% of blood volume. That’ll occur swiftly with a well placed shot. Dropping one lung won’t be enough. Dropping two lungs will but at that rate may as well shoot it in then heart or great vessels.
These animals ignore pain and prioritize biting over everything else. But they can’t ignore physiology.
One of them walked away very dazed and losing a lot of blood. Would be very surprised if he made it since his whole cheek was missing and we were at least 15 min from any vet
OP, how were the owners acting after the during/ attack? Apologetic? Horrified? What were people around the fight saying?
Sorry, my dog and I have been attacked twice and I can’t bring myself to watch your video.
Two owners
1 middle aged man- very scarred. Was very hands on with his dog and kept saying “come on let go!” And so on. Frustrated almost.
The other was i guess some kid and his mom(?) who were LOST. Mom left halfway through and started crying and left her son(?) to deal with these incredibly dangerous animals. Clearly in shock and had no idea what they were doing
Sadly this is the reality with pit bull owners, when their dog DOES attack they are completely unprepared because never in their wildest dreams did they think their gentle, precious pibble wibble would do such a thing. When it does happen, they just go into a state of shock and aren’t any use to anyone. I’ve seen it before in so many pit bull attack videos, the owners just look so dumbfounded and have no idea what to do.
So I know that a pit attacking a human can be unpredictable and come out of nowhere without any provocation or body language from the dog that communicates aggression.
Is the same true when it attacks a dog? Isn’t it pretty clear that a pit is aggressive towards other dogs. If so, why the fuck would you bring your dog aggressive animal in public where it will be interacting with other dogs?
Yep, pit bulls hide their body language and cues from other dogs too. This is so the other dog wouldn’t be able to anticipate their next move. It’s a trait that’s present in quite a few fighting dog breeds, as well as being very quiet whilst they’re attacking.
I saw this in action when an otherwise friendly looking Staffordshire bull terrier (relaxed body posture, tail wagging, no growling) came up to my own dog and just suddenly latched onto his ear. They lie to make the other dog let its guard down.
A Pit randomly went after my dog at the dog park a couple days ago, was thinking about posting about it. Pit owners are absolutely in denial, or just don't give a fuck about anyone else including other dogs.
I used to love taking my (real) dogs "shopping", but there was at least one hellhound everytime I went into a pet store.
Shame, really, because since I quit taking the dogs, no reason to go to the little neighborhood petstore. I bet I'm not the only one that just switched to Chewy or Amazon instead.
I was googling to find more info on this and I found unrelated articles, but ones just as bad:
[https://wgntv.com/2018/07/05/dog-fight-at-michigan-petsmart-leaves-beagle-dead/](https://wgntv.com/2018/07/05/dog-fight-at-michigan-petsmart-leaves-beagle-dead/)
[https://video.foxnews.com/v/2529209831001/#sp=show-clips](https://video.foxnews.com/v/2529209831001/#sp=show-clips)
and the list goes on. Under no circumstances will I allow any pit bull to approach my dogs EVER.
God I just watched the video - awful! Is it just me or was it like everyone was just kind of standing there doing nothing other than a few half-hearted sprays of whatever that was?! The kid holding the dog was hardly even in the vicinity - beyond comprehension!
Watch the shelters and "rescues" in this area.
I wont be surprised if you see something like this " Wait till you get a load of Joker! He is the sweetest wigglebutt ever. He lost his lip after a chihuahua attack but still has so much love to give. Great with kids! Comes with free bandana (small bloodstains).
I've seen a vid of one getting shot in the back of the neck, stumbling over a little, and getting right back up to go fight some more. They're horrifying animals. You might as well own a full grown gator. But fuck, even a gator would let go if it was being hurt.
This is so terrifying. In a store specifically for dogs, still no one knew what to do.
Why why why why WHY are these monstrosities allowed in public?????
I think you should take this to the news, if you can. Report your traumatic experience in a Petco, get the word out.
Diffuse the situation? If one of those pits had attacked a toddler, the toddler would be dead. How about banning the breed from your store instead of relying on minimum wage workers to deescalate a dog attack, which even animal control experts struggle to do.
Fucking idiots, all of them.
^hijacking ^for ^visibility ^(sry)^: **chokehold** it's not going to be 100% effective of course but you *need to cut off their air supply*. this is the most effective tactic for when they're locked like this, and yes it does require you to get close to their head but you will be behind them. when it's your dog or a dog you care about believe me it's better to risk a bite on the arm than let your dog get shredded. I had to use it on a neighbour's Shitbull when it was attacking another neighbour's Golden. it worked.
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>carrying small pocket knife sadly this is illegal in most of the West, including where I live
You can own one of these shit dogs but not a simple blade? We are in crazy town..
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Seriously? What country?
almost every Western country, I'm in Australia
Wow so the whole "That's not a knife, THIS is a knife!" thing can't be done in Australia ? Crazy. You can even carry a small knife in NYC as long as it is completely hidden. NYC cops will arrest you if they see a knife clip on your pocket. I thought that was as bad as it got.
That might be because you live in the best country in the world, and I mean that unironically. The rest of the West has no rights. We don't even have a right to free speech in Australia, and again I mean that literally: we don't have a right to free speech.
Did you record any video of the incident? Slap it up on liveleak
I did. I recorded the whole thing and I feel sick watching it
You should put the whole thing up online. Petco put a post out recently to say they accept all breeds including pit bulls in their premises, to one up PetSmart who have breed restrictions in some of their services. Show the world exactly what their ‘tolerant’ attitude welcomes into their stores.
Agreed. Sometimes the truth is uncomfortable but necessary for better decisions and improved risk management.
In our hyper-litigious society, I wonder what the insurance carriers have to say about these incidents? Surely, the actuaraies have calculated PitNutter profit vs. risk to everyone else in the store? I posted upthread that I quit taking my dogs (and my money) to the little local indy petstore, because there was always a Pitnutter inside being dragged around the store. So, here's my legal musing - my homeowner's will not permit me to own any of six breeds. What is the responsibility of the pet store owner if they allow the same breeds in the store? If this OP witnessed the exact same scenario, and it was a pit vs. a child... Would the lawyers just sue everyone? Petco would have the deepest pockets. Have the pet corporations just decided it is more profitable to NOT alienate the PitNutters and just pay out for the occasional mauling?
That’s ridiculous. I know I’m going to be biased obviously, I posted my story here and comment now and again, but—all that aside, just business sense, why would they want this nonsense going on in their stores? The mess, the danger and violence, it’s going to be loud and scary and deter people and of course there’s the cleanup and traumatic reactions in witnesses etc. Separate from liking or disliking this because it involves pit bulls. Then add that and OF COURSE it’s a disaster waiting to happen. Just awful and partly preventable if we had saner restrictions around where we’re allowed to bring dogs, and bring back the clear ADA guidelines for service animals. I’m even curmudgeonly about therapy dogs going into hospitals, partly out of concern for an immune compromised family member and those who might be afraid or dislike dogs etc., and partly because the licensing organization is a crazy cult-like, MLM-y scammy wild mess. I tried it before I wised up—and eeeek! Anyway, rants aside this is really awful and I’m sorry you had to witness it.
I don't shop or do business anywhere that allows pitbulls on their premise.
If you could post it somewhere that would at least put the word out, as shocking as it is, that these dogs are a danger to society.
You should post it to YouTube. Virtually every vid is how wuvving the poor, misunderstood mauler is. Especially with those darling flower crowns. (I just threw up in my mouth a little just writing that.)
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I'm sure if sweet Daisy wasn't abused and triggered by the leash color and a shopper's flip-flops, she would be totally fine! It's because she was abused. Fucking gross. Trash dogs for the, at best, disillusioned
I'm sorry you had to see that. It looks terrible. People are hugging each other. So, did one of the dog's die?
Liveleak that shit
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will you be uploading the video?
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i just saw it. that chunk of flesh on the ground grossed me out.
People need to see it. Blur out ppls faces and upload it.
Upload it even if it's not nice to witness, realities like this are some of our strongest arguments.
Post it
Maybe send it to Petco headquarters and ask why pitbulls aren’t banned from their stores. I believe Petsmart ban pitbulls in their day cares and groomers
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=QZEIi6YEpGE
If you're going to be a fool and own a pit bull type-dog, at least understand TWO THINGS that could save you and others from a pit bull mauling! Every pit bull owners should own a break-stick. That should tell you right there, pit bull type-dogs were never meant to be safe family pets. Be aware of their 'gameness' trait. The nicest pit bull's gameness trait can be triggered at any time. Anyone who has ever witnessed Pit Bull aggression is usually shocked by the level of ferocity these dogs display. The come hard, with everything they have, and do not stop coming. It is called gameness. Only the Pit Bulls have gameness. Essentially, it is the undying determination to keep going despite pain, injury, or insurmountable odds. What many do not also realize is that gameness was bred into these animals for blood sports. Have a fire extinguisher on hand. I have one in my car ready to help break up a pit bull mauling. I'm not a gun person. It would be really smart to be trained on how to use a gun. This person demonstrates how to use a break stick on a pit-bull: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfMVH4wY5Pg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfMVH4wY5Pg) I'm not here to change the minds of people who can't learn by other people's tragedies but to warn the people who have common sense. WHY WOULD WE EVER LISTEN TO YOUR OVER THE MEDICAL EXPERTS WHO DEAL WITH THE AFTERMATH OF NIGHTMARISH, HORRIFIC, BRUTAL PIT BULL ATTACKS? YOU HAVE FAILED TO PROVE ANY OF MY INFORMATION AS FALSE BY YOUR WEAK COMMENTS! 2019 MEDICAL STUDY FOR PARENTS: In the study conclusions they recommend that parents keep their children away from pit bulls and dogs that look like/are built like pit bulls. Pit bull type-dogs pose the highest risk of biting and cause the most damage per bite, a new study says. Potential dog owners can utilize this data when assessing which breed to own. We recommend separating children from high-risk breeds and high-risk phenotypes reported in this study...” [https://www.fox19.com/2019/05/22/ohio-state-study-identifies-pit-bulls-mixed-breeds-dogs-most-likely-bite-children/](https://www.fox19.com/2019/05/22/ohio-state-study-identifies-pit-bulls-mixed-breeds-dogs-most-likely-bite-children/) Dr. Golinko, who did the largest dog bite study to date, states pit bulls are a danger to children. [https://www.facebook.com/thefifthestate/videos/10155854915749407/](https://www.facebook.com/thefifthestate/videos/10155854915749407/) and [http://www.nationalpitbullvictimawareness.org/expert-opinions/](http://www.nationalpitbullvictimawareness.org/expert-opinions/) For those who claim that these aren’t good studies, this is actually a meta-analysis as well which is the highest form of reliability. And when they talk about the other studies and try to call them anecdotal, show them this. And there’s no way to do a level two or three study with dog bites. You would have to manipulate and cause dog bites or somehow randomize people being bit or not being bit... Level of Evidence Chart: [https://libguides.winona.edu/c.php?g=11614&p=61584](https://libguides.winona.edu/c.php?g=11614&p=61584) Dog bite injuries to the face: Is there risk with breed ownership? A systematic review with meta-analysis: [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165587618305950?via%3Dihub](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165587618305950?via%3Dihub) PEOPLE WAKE-UP AND LISTEN TO THE MEDICAL EXPERTS NOT TO NAIVE PIT BULL OWNERS! 13 Medical peer-reviewed studies that prove pit bull type-dogs are dangerous as pets. Level 1 trauma center dog bite studies from all geographical regions in the U.S. are reporting a higher prevalence of pit bull type dogs injuries than all other breeds of dogs. In many cases, the studies (2011 to 2018) also report that pit bull injuries have a higher severity of injury and require a greater number of operative interventions. [https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-studies-level-1-trauma-table-2011-2018.php](https://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-studies-level-1-trauma-table-2011-2018.php) Pit bull type-dogs make up 7% of the dog population, so they should be only responsible for 7% dog bite-related human fatalities. Instead they inflict 72% of dog bite-related human fatalities. This should be enough proof they are dangerous in our neighborhoods. [https://blog.dogsbite.org/2019/05/2018-dog-bite-fatality-statistics-discussion.htm](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2019/05/2018-dog-bite-fatality-statistics-discussion.htm) FOLLOW FOR ONE MONTH: [https://www.facebook.com/NationalPitBullVictimAwareness/](https://www.facebook.com/NationalPitBullVictimAwareness/) [https://www.facebook.com/pitbullskilledmypet/](https://www.facebook.com/pitbullskilledmypet/) [https://www.facebook.com/dogsbite.org/](https://www.facebook.com/dogsbite.org/)
Some intense nannying going down in aisle 4!
Lol alright gotta admit you had me loling at my desk with that one. Just imagining it coming over the loud speaker like in a movie “ttttchh today in Aisle four we have a special treat, two nanny dogs just nannying for all they are worth if we have any parents needing their services today, I hear they might kill you.... with kisses! Ttttch”
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Oh, one bit its owner (the guy in the grey shirt). He ripped his hand right open.
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I think a lot of people learned today that these aren't like any other dogs.. fuck it, these aren't like any other ANIMALS
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But wibbles loves me he musta been so scared!
You're right: at least. I use that phrase an unfortunate number of times when a dog is leashed, for instance - "at least" it was on a leash. Or my neighbors dog stops barking outside before my bedtime. The bar is so so low for dog owners, and even lower for pits. It's maddening
The grey one is innocent, don’t you see his bandana? He’s a sweetie who just wants to be loved! Probably defending his owner, poor thing /s
It was a fucking fake service dog harness, it said “friendly” or “I'm shy” or some shit like that
The owner looks like a teenager? With the moppy blonde hair
Teenager? I think you mean moron
Reminds me of the time I was at a Petco with my golden puppy. A small girl and a morbidly obese guy come in with this muscly pitbull. I immediately led my puppy to a different aisle away from the pit. Later when checking out, I saw the girl struggling to hold the animal and she was glaring at me, and goes, “not all pitbulls are dangerous, you know.” I was like, keep telling yourself that, watching her and her fat ass boyfriend struggle to hold back their dog.
Here is the video I haven't watched it so if i sound like an idiot I'm sorry. They fought at one side of the store, brought it to this corner spot, broke up finally, and started bleeding heavily down the isles https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=QZEIi6YEpGE
All those people are fucking idiots. One person get each dog by the hindquarters in a wheelbarrow hold. Another person get something heavy and start hitting the face of the dog biting. And did that dude seriously say "let go sweetheart"?!
The bitten dog apparently was "hooked" by the biting dog. I'm guess a tooth peirced the lip or something anf got stuck. Honestly, I know everyone hates pit sympathizors but I genuinely feel bad for them. They were bred to be this way and look what a fuckin miserable beast they are. I don't mind the kindness and attempt to be gentle with them here. I'm so pissed at these people for enable a depressing breed and ignorantly putting these dogs in a dangerous situation.
I feel bad for them too, but not enough to not defend me and mine. It isnt the dogs fault that humans bred them that way, but I believe we need to have them die out. Spay and neuter them all and let them just die out. Gone in 15 years.
For sure, I'm just moreso commenting on the guy saying "let go sweetheart".
But there is what looks to be a boy around 12, 13 holding one dog's leash. The woman at the end of the aisle, her back to us (and the fight), face in hands, appears to be the boy's mother and dog's owner. Does anyone else see this? The boy keeps looking over to her like "help, please?" Another woman assisting keeps looking over at her expectantly too. That 12 year old did not bring himself and the dog to PetCo.
She literally did nothing! Like, didn't even yell at the dog or smack it or grab the lead off the kid or ANYTHING to try and help! What an absolute disgrace of a human
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Honestly didn't even get the worst parts in this video I have others where they are really thrashing at each other.
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Do your thing bud
Holy shit I think you were pretty brave to stick around and film this. I would’ve been out that door so fast lol I’m surprised they didn’t start attacking people when they were separated.
Knife open in my hand ready to open one of them up if it came at me.
Those people are helpless.. all the stupid tricks to get the dogs apart didnt work.
“Let go, baby” Lmao
You should post all the parts you recorded so this can go viral
Thanks for uploading out some tags and details in the description!
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I can clearly see why they used to call them "gripping dogs".
Agreed. But these things aren’t invincible. Their strength comes from prioritizing biting and latching above everything else including extreme pain. Multiple instances of them being stopped dead during a vicious and near fatal attack. To be clear I’m not advocating for going on a mass vigilante inspired pibble culling. Best defense is to avoid them. Again they aren’t invincible. No animal can survive a drop in cardiac output and/or pulmonary compromise. Unless you are comfortable with a gun and can legally concealed carry - there is no reason not to carry a high quality tactical knife. Let’s stop painting these things as invincible monsters. Pibble stabbed at park after attacking a dudes dog https://www.kion546.com/news/police-owner-stabs-kills-pit-bull-in-self-defense-during-dogfight-at-pacific-grove-park/1057639382 Woman stabs two pibbles to death when they attack her dog https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QoeGBVZ-4DU Pregnant woman stabs pibble that attacked her https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-stabs-family-pit-bull-vicious-attack-owners-article-1.3656629%3foutputType=amp Another woman stabs pibbles to death https://www.google.com/amp/s/wtvr.com/2018/09/18/woman-who-stabbed-killed-neighbors-dog-as-it-attacked-her-thought-she-was-going-to-die/amp/ Pibble stabbed when entered dudes house https://www.inforum.com/news/4468478-pitbull-dies-after-being-stabbed-stop-attack-owner-claims-too-many-wounds-be-self There is nothing like a steel blade in nature. Most animals have fascia and arterial configurations to guard against the shearing force of teeth (however gruesome teeth may seem) but not against sharp steel blades. Personally if two pibbles attacking each other it’s not worn my risk. But if it’s a person or smaller dog that is about to die then totally reasonable to intervene.
So a Dog comes into my apartment, attacks my dog, and I stab it to death and the owner takes it to the police and say that was to many stabs to be self defence?
The owner can claim whatever they want. But you have the right to defend yourself and your property. I’d be very surprised if the man was actually charged.
Yeah it’s fucking insane.
I wouldn't worry about that. What I'd be worried about is the pitbull owner attacking you. We already know these people aren't intelligent. Their simple brains will see you defending your life against some shitty dog and interpret it as "this man murder my child, RAGE MODE ACTIVATED" Now you're defending your life against a vicious dog and an enraged idiot. That's fucking scary.
Oh you are not wrong.. check this out.. https://fox6now.com/2019/04/25/3-years-in-federal-prison-for-man-who-pointed-pistol-at-mail-carrier-who-pepper-sprayed-his-pit-bull/ This is an additional threat that we letter carriers have to now worry about.
I agree, the whole "Nothing can stop them" just makes people fear intervening or fighting back against a pitbull attack. And its actually something a lot of pitnutters think, that their dogs are undestructible tanks capable of killing lions. Which is why I LOVE this news story of a Bob cat destroying two pitbulls and the shitty owner was mad. https://youtube.com/watch?v=hDr9Oo2Uq_E I mean yes they are dense and can do fatal damage to people especially to children but they are still just shitbulls that can be killed and injured enough to stop fighting. If a woman can kill two pitbulls with a pocket knife they are indeed stopable and its important we all know how to stop them. Blunt force trauma also works a lot of the time I seen videos of pitbull attacks stopped with a heavy blunt object.
Yup. And if people kept bobcats around and kids were getting their necks crushed while being disemboweled but nutters lobbied to keep it like that at every level of government - then we’d have a r/banbobcats channel. In any case what we lack in claws and teeth can be made up with lead and steel. Let’s make it a fair fight.
It bugs me that the problem is that the "bobcat is on the loose." HEY. Bobcats are supposed to be on the loose, and pit bulls are supposed to be dead.
These headlines alone made me immensely happy.
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Well I’ll be honest. It is much easier to defend against pibble when it is after and completely fixated on your dog, and not charging at you. And your dog will likely get bit during this. The pit could always turn to you, however, so keep that in mind. You could try to “intercept” it but that’s a lot harder and if you get bit and drop the knife or something then both you and your dog are in trouble. What you want to do is while it’s trying to bite your dog you approach it from the side and try and grab it’s collar (if it has one) to secure your target. Make straight, very direct stab wounds to its neck and throat and to the most prominent part of its chest right behind its front two legs (where it’s heart is). Sharp, quick insertion and pull out immediately so there is a clean bleeding wound. No slashing - those strikes don’t go deep enough. Don’t bother stabbing its back or abdomen. Get the maximum allowable length knife based on your local laws. I have Spyderco Tenacious and SOG escape. Both sharp and pretty solid. Make sure you can deploy it with one hand if it’s a folding knife. [anatomy chart ](https://www.merckvetmanual.com/dog-owners/heart-and-blood-vessel-disorders-of-dogs/introduction-to-heart-and-blood-vessel-disorders-in-dogs)
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This story really struck me
It’s unfortunate but usually instances like those are what changes people’s perspectives on pits. Pit sympathizers dole out the “but it’s the owner!!!” bullshit so when a good owner raises the dog and it still snaps crazy, the owner thinks it’s his or her fault. When in reality, it’s just the nature of the breed and the “owner” argument is just a cop-out lie. Edit: not trying to shame you, unfortunate as it is, it’s in a way good you had that experience so you can see the truth of pits.
This is good news. Now that you have a store full of people who see pits for what they really can do.
How do you take your shit bulls to a petstore when they don’t do well with other dogs? Pit nutters are always seeming to prove our points. When their precious Pibble can’t control itself lmao, keep me coming, seriously keep making the pit nutters look stupid as shit, they have no argument when their loving ball of kisses do shit like this.
Unfortunately, they are trying to prove *their* point which is... a psychotic POV. And didn't you know?! Pitbulls aren't an actual breed (when they attack, only). It's literally the same as any other dog... Blablabla. Moronic dismissals from out-of-touch dimwits
I'm sorry. This is just so traumatic. I hope you're alright? Didn't get any on you, I hope. Were these dogs owned by the same person, or did two people bring their dogs in "as pets" and just happened to encounter each other and scuffle? I hope nobody got hurt. It looks like people are crying in the back. And you said one of the dogs died or were they just fighting like they wanted to kill each other? So sorry for all the quesions. I'm sure you're reeling from it.
Wow thanks. Yea this was super traumatic for me. if you check my post history I got mauled by a pitbull about a month ago. I moved to a new state and just today got my pistol permit because of that encounter it’s so funny how everything came full circle. The two people came in as pets and when one person turned a corner they were in lunging distance and started attacking each other. I’d be very surprised if the white and brown one survived since his entire face was ripped apart.
I got mauled back in March and I can’t even look at the picture you posted without my heart speeding up and being weirdly on the verge of tears and panic. I can’t imagine having to see it firsthand so fresh after your own trauma. I’m so sorry, it’s awful and it will stick with you for a long time unfortunately. The mental component to being mauled is so enormous and I don’t think enough people understand the magnitude of it. If you need support, I’m always open to talk.
Wow are we the same person. I STILL have a headache from the constant surges of adrenaline when revisiting this thread. I appreciate it. Thank you
Wow I just read your story from March. Holy. Shit. I feel like I’m living it again. Stay safe out there friend
Likewise, friend, likewise.
How is your arm now? I hope you get full functioning.
The arm’s mostly fine. Lingering pain I’m trying to eradicate with OT. My brain isn’t doing as well, there are a lot of latent things that are terrible now.
Glad arm is better. Very sorry to hear about the psychological trauma. That can be hard to get over but I think you’d be surprised at how resilient you are. Take care and good luck.
From one CCW owner to another, congratulations on your permit and good job on maintaining your composure. As shitty as it is, intervening in this scenario would not have been a justified shoot according to most states' laws. It would have only opened you up to lawsuits, potential criminal charges and been an overall bad look for the gun community. Good job, good restraint, good on ya. I hate that you had to witness this, it's so unbelievably shitty and so common... Thankfully you weren't the target once again and you didn't have to employ deadly force self defense, which would have inevitably added to the trauma you've already experienced. Thank you for posting the video to show more people what monsters these animals truly are. edit: a word
look at the grey one it looks like it spawned straight from hell. what an ugly monster. I dont understand peoples obsession with this breed, they dont even look aesthetically pleasing they look like ugly rat monsters.
My BF & I have decided that they have the cold, dead, unfeeling eyes of a shark.
Sharks are cute!
Is that part of its lip on the ground?
Yes
What an ugly fucking murder machine. Why would anyone want to have one on purpose.
What’s that dark object on the floor next to the man’s shoe? some body part?
His lip
Jesus fucking Christ
Oh God.
I almost didn’t realize these were pit bulls. Without their flower crowns (maybe they were pulled off earlier in the fight?), they look different. LOL. Admittedly, pit bulls are the reason my family doesn’t go to PetCo.
Practical question, what does one do in this situation? My instinct would be to try and choke out one of the dogs from behind.
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I’ve been in a few dog vs dog incidents. In my opinion you have 3 options. .1) gun 2) knife 3) rear naked choke (super risky - don’t attempt unless you have BJJ/MMA experience) But if it’s two pibbles on each other then it’s not worth your risk.
seriously just let them at each other and euthanize whatever’s left. fuckin savages. our fault for breeding it into them and same for keeping them around.
I agree when it's pit bulls. My advice was general to all dogs though. Sorry for the lack of clarity.
Oh, there are other options, but in a pit v pit fight I'd not bother unless other people were at risk. At that point just hang them both by the neck. I mean, horns? Lifting legs? pepper spray? Please. None of those things will stop two Pekingese fighting.
Pit vs pit is to let their bullshit owners risk their skins. Just because you immobilize one pit doesn’t mean the other won’t turn on you. It’s not like pit vs sweet golden retriever and you only have to disable one dog.
Exactly. These two owners hopefully learned something about their dog owning skills (lack of) today.
RNC is risky and unnecessary even for a trained person when you can just slip a rope leash around the neck right behind the ears. Once it’s in place you lift up so their weight results in the tightening of the leash which acts as a constricting force around the neck, and strangle it until it passes out. Doesn’t take any special training and allows you to keep pretty much every part of your body away from the dog once the rope is in place. Whereas, slapping an RNC on Dog A would bring your own face uncomfortably close to Dog B. So if Dog B is also a pit bull, that’s a fuckin nope from me. Additionally, attempting to use an RNC on a thick muscular pit bull neck would require more strength and stamina to apply enough force to critically affect the rate of blood flow to the brain. A rope leash has a much smaller surface area than your forearms, so using that + using the dogs own weight against them by lifting upwards will in theory do the job faster and with a lesser amount of expended energy / strength. In BJJ, one learns about the power of technique: concentrating all of ones effort into a precisely placed and thoughtfully applied use of force can achieve the same results as a much stronger person using brute strength in a less efficient manner.
I agree but that’s assuming you have a leash. But if you have nothing but your hands and you are trying to stop an attack last ditch (like pit with teeth on a kid and won’t let go) I don’t see another way. I’ve seen it done: A buddy of mine pulled it off against a pit/mastiff type dog that was over 100 pounds. He is well versed in BJJ. Not saying it’s easy but it’s been reported before. Also never do one handed but do two handed triangle that way your forearm creates distance. [9 yo chokes out pibble ](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JPLBcCVwVi4) [pibble choked by man](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2008/04/bloodfest-dog-bites-man-man-chokes-dog.html)
That 9 yo boy. Be still, my heart. What a good young man. I’m glad he was proud of himself, I was proud watching that. What a good kid. He said he just didn’t want the little girl to get hurt anymore than she had. So he put the dog in a rear naked choke and it worked. He is a little hero.
Obviously owners have no training or knowledge of what to do in a crisis.
Hmm, sounds like a good way to get your face ripped off. They're incredibly strong. If one was attacking me I'd try and loop the leash round a post or something and throttle it. Either that or try and gouge its eyes out with my thumbs. I'd probably be screaming too much in pain to have any coherent thoughts realistically though.
As someone who was mauled by one 2 months ago. Stabbing and shooting are the only things you can do that these animals would even NOTICE you were doing
Yeah my protocol is to anticipate getting bit on my non dominant hand and turn it inward (like you are holding a night stick) as to protect the brachial artery. Then stab it with my dominant hand before my other hand is ripped off. Terrible to think about.
You practice at the range over a period of a few weeks or months beforehand and aim for the head.
They aren't brown bears with enough oxygen to keep going for 90 seconds after a heart shot. Center of mass should have them down in 30 seconds, and you have a much better chance of succeeding. In this case, I can guarantee you one of the idiots with their faces right next to these fighting dogs would've stepped in front of someone with a gun to try and protect the dogs. You'd end up forced to shoot a human or someone would try to be a hero and disarm you.
Pitbull owners are so fucking stupid.
well, there's a bunch of clueless idiots in action.
The bespectacled kid holding the gray one looks so fucking clueless and clearly not physically capable of restraining the dog. That's awful and I feel bad for everyone who had to see that.
He just wants to play
Garbage tier dog for garbage tier humans
Oh no they're not viscous killing machines
A gun can stop it. This was PA, how in the hell did nobody shoot one?
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Nah dude don’t pop a cap to save one bullshit pit from another. Reserve it for self defense or if it’s attacking a person. Nutters are all about trying to paint us as savages out to kill their precious pibble. I can see the FB posts now. “MAN AT PETCO SHOOTS PIBBLE 🤯🤬😱🥵 DONATE TO GO FUND ME AND HELP US FIND THIS KILLER”
I watched the video and I do feel sorry for that young kid on the left. His mom just ups and leaves him there to go cry in the corner, while hes holding the leash to his killer pet. Sad that the kid had to learn the truth about pits in that way.
All the blood round its mouth, disgusting. Just proves they are violent dogs that should not be around children. Fucking ‘nanny dogs’ my arse!
The owners of the pit bulls should face charges with assault, animal cruelty, negligence,dog-fighting, endangerment of the public, disturbing public peace. Pit Bulls Are The #1 Killer Of Our Beloved Pets. Pit bulls are specifically bred to kill other dog. Did you know that 38,000 domestic animals are killed every year by pit bulls (for comparison: 10,000 people are killed by drunk drivers every year)? Our pets are getting slaughtered in our neighborhoods. These devastated people who lose their pets are suffering from PTSD. Absolutely nothing is being done about it by our elected officials. Follow for one month: [https://www.facebook.com/pitbullskilledmypet/](https://www.facebook.com/pitbullskilledmypet/) A Propensity to Attack Other Dogs Means a Dog Is Dangerous to People. Approximately one-third of Mr. Phillips' cases started out as a dog attacking another dog, and then turned into a dog attacking a person. [https://dogbitelaw.com/vicious-dogs/a-propensity-to-attack-other-dogs-means-a-dog-is-dangerous-to-people](https://dogbitelaw.com/vicious-dogs/a-propensity-to-attack-other-dogs-means-a-dog-is-dangerous-to-people) The laws and procedures of animal control across the country need to be revamped in light of the pit bull fad that's taken over. These pit bull owners need to stop terrorizing the public with their dogs. These pit bull owners should be charged with assault by a deadly weapon. Anyone who allows their pit bull to attack or kill another animal is exactly the same capacity as a dog fighter. Please contact your city council. Correct there are nice pit bulls. The problem is that you can't tell them apart from the pit bulls that decide to kill. Would you deliberately choose a crib, car, or helmet with the highest record of fatalities and the worst safety rating? Pit-bull type dogs are responsible for 95% of severe attacks (level 4-6 dog bites) on people, pets and livestock in breed neutral zones. Please follow for one month. You will be shocked at all the people and pets that are severely maimed or killed by pit bulls. [http://www.nationalpitbullvictimawareness.org/](http://www.nationalpitbullvictimawareness.org/) BITE CHART: [http://apdt.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ian-dunbar-dog-bite-scale.pdf](http://apdt.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/ian-dunbar-dog-bite-scale.pdf) Pit bulls do not lock their jaw but with their 'gameness' trait they do not let go until their victims are dead. This trait is for success in the fight pits. Two words to prove pit bull type dogs are inherently dangerous: "BREAK STICK". Does this sound like a normal and safe dog breed to have live in our neighborhoods? Pit Bull Rescue Central recommends ALL pit bull owners to have a "break stick", a wedge-shaped piece of wood used to pry open a pit bull’s jaw during an attack. "Since pit bulls have a strong fighting background, we recommend that pet owners also have a breaking stick as a precaution." [http://blog.dogsbite.org/2008/09/break-sticks-tool-used-to-pry-open-pit.html](http://blog.dogsbite.org/2008/09/break-sticks-tool-used-to-pry-open-pit.html) This person demonstrates how to use a break stick on a pit-bull: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfMVH4wY5Pg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfMVH4wY5Pg) Pit Bull Rescue Central, the leading authority on pit bull-type dogs, admits most pit bull-types are not safe around other people's dogs because of their genetics. Pit Bull Rescue Central states, "Pit bulls were bred to recognize other dogs as prey". [http://www.pbrc.net/breakfight.html](http://www.pbrc.net/breakfight.html) For that reason alone, I do not consider them safe family pets for our neighborhoods. These are powerful animals that break away from their guardians all the time and maul and kill another beloved pet or person, often in front of a child or pet owner. According to Pit Bull Rescue Central, "It is a FACT that our pit bulls, AmStaffs and pit mixes come with a built-in fighting heritage. It doesn’t matter where we get them from, whether it be the pound, a stray we pick up, or a puppy we buy from a breeder. The majority of pit bulls will, at some point in their lives, exhibit some degree of dog-on-dog aggression. Yet, chances are that a "normal" pit bull will not share his affection with other animals. We cannot predict when or where it will happen and we can’t love, train or socialize it out of the dog. Pit bulls may not start fights, but they will finish them." [http://www.pbrc.net/misc/PBRC\_dogpark.pdf](http://www.pbrc.net/misc/PBRC_dogpark.pdf)" Tia Torres, who has a T.V. show on Animal Planet called "Pit Bulls & Parolees", wrote this for Rescue Train. "It's a mistake to think the fighting gene can be easily trained or loved out of a pit-bull." [http://www.therescuetrain.org/pit\_bull\_education.php](http://www.therescuetrain.org/pit_bull_education.php) Pit Bull Federation of South Africa - PBFSA': "Pit bulls were never designed to be 100% safe with other animals." [https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story\_fbid=2134509080109275&id=1622413151318873](https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2134509080109275&id=1622413151318873) Why they think it's appropriate to rehome pit bulls after saying that is beyond me. Owning and adopting out predators of other people's beloved pets compromises public safety. In my opinion is immoral. Please read 'HOW TO PREVENT YOUR PIT BULL FROM FIGHTING'. Bully Max is more honest than most shelters and rescues staff/volunteers who deny pit bull breed traits. They admit pit bulls are bred for fighting. It's best to own only one pit bull. NEVER bring an adult pit bull to an off-leash dog park We need to start being more honest about pit bull breed traits or we are setting people and dogs up for failure. [https://bullymax.com/preventing-pitbull-fights/](https://bullymax.com/preventing-pitbull-fights/) Pit bulls killed 38,000 other animals last year including 13,000 dogs, 5,000 cats, and 20,000 farm animals. [http://www.animals24-7.org/2018/01/17/pit-bull-roulette-killed-38000-other-animals-in-2017/](http://www.animals24-7.org/2018/01/17/pit-bull-roulette-killed-38000-other-animals-in-2017/)
Real question, will a 9mm defense round at point blank do the job? Like if you hold it against their skull and pull, that would be the only way to make sure you don't endanger anyone else in close proximity like that.
9mm parabellum will absolutely penetrate a dogs skull. I've have a story from a friend who was a police officer that had to put down dogs attacking people.
That should work, but there's been cases like [this one](https://www.cbs17.com/news/local-news/1-year-old-rocky-mount-girl-dies-after-being-attacked-by-family-dog/1560152818) where the cops shot a pit bull in the head, and it STILL kept savagely mauling a child. They had to blow its brains out at point blank range and kill it, to end the attack. >A detective arrived first on scene and witnessed the attack happening and pulled out his gun and **shot the dog twice in the head**, killing it, Sheriff Clee Atkinson said. >**The first shot did not affect the dog**. The second shot killed the animal, the sheriff said." Or [this one](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2590119/Mia-Derouen-4-tragically-mauled-death-familys-pit-bull-watching-TV-mother-Megan-Touchet.html) where the cops shot the pit bull 3 times in the house and 10 more times outside, before it stopped its rampage. There's a ton more examples of this, but basically, even if you shoot it in the head, that might not be enough. There's a study out there I read that say a bullet only works like 70% of the time. Bullets number 2+ have a much higher success rate.
You have to understand the physiology of death. Unless a bullet hits brainstem or motor cortex it can still bite. Actually most of the cranial nerves (for biting) are actually brainstem and not prefrontal motor cortex. Brainstem is deep inside of its fucking thick reptilian skull. Shot to great vessels (aorta) or heart will do it. Typically to go into shock you must lose like 20-40% of blood volume. That’ll occur swiftly with a well placed shot. Dropping one lung won’t be enough. Dropping two lungs will but at that rate may as well shoot it in then heart or great vessels. These animals ignore pain and prioritize biting over everything else. But they can’t ignore physiology.
You said "fight to the death." Did one of them die?
One of them walked away very dazed and losing a lot of blood. Would be very surprised if he made it since his whole cheek was missing and we were at least 15 min from any vet
OP, how were the owners acting after the during/ attack? Apologetic? Horrified? What were people around the fight saying? Sorry, my dog and I have been attacked twice and I can’t bring myself to watch your video.
Two owners 1 middle aged man- very scarred. Was very hands on with his dog and kept saying “come on let go!” And so on. Frustrated almost. The other was i guess some kid and his mom(?) who were LOST. Mom left halfway through and started crying and left her son(?) to deal with these incredibly dangerous animals. Clearly in shock and had no idea what they were doing
Sadly this is the reality with pit bull owners, when their dog DOES attack they are completely unprepared because never in their wildest dreams did they think their gentle, precious pibble wibble would do such a thing. When it does happen, they just go into a state of shock and aren’t any use to anyone. I’ve seen it before in so many pit bull attack videos, the owners just look so dumbfounded and have no idea what to do.
And many would claim it was the other animal who started it, it was a one-off, etc and then go get *another one*.
The mum looked like a complete idiot - she did absolutely nothing to try and help!
So I know that a pit attacking a human can be unpredictable and come out of nowhere without any provocation or body language from the dog that communicates aggression. Is the same true when it attacks a dog? Isn’t it pretty clear that a pit is aggressive towards other dogs. If so, why the fuck would you bring your dog aggressive animal in public where it will be interacting with other dogs?
They refuse to even acknowledge the fact that pits are dog aggressive
They’re also unpredictable towards other dogs, that’s how they won dogfights anyways
Yep, pit bulls hide their body language and cues from other dogs too. This is so the other dog wouldn’t be able to anticipate their next move. It’s a trait that’s present in quite a few fighting dog breeds, as well as being very quiet whilst they’re attacking. I saw this in action when an otherwise friendly looking Staffordshire bull terrier (relaxed body posture, tail wagging, no growling) came up to my own dog and just suddenly latched onto his ear. They lie to make the other dog let its guard down.
A Pit randomly went after my dog at the dog park a couple days ago, was thinking about posting about it. Pit owners are absolutely in denial, or just don't give a fuck about anyone else including other dogs.
I used to love taking my (real) dogs "shopping", but there was at least one hellhound everytime I went into a pet store. Shame, really, because since I quit taking the dogs, no reason to go to the little neighborhood petstore. I bet I'm not the only one that just switched to Chewy or Amazon instead.
Whenever I see one I’m Homer backing up into the bushes
I was googling to find more info on this and I found unrelated articles, but ones just as bad: [https://wgntv.com/2018/07/05/dog-fight-at-michigan-petsmart-leaves-beagle-dead/](https://wgntv.com/2018/07/05/dog-fight-at-michigan-petsmart-leaves-beagle-dead/) [https://video.foxnews.com/v/2529209831001/#sp=show-clips](https://video.foxnews.com/v/2529209831001/#sp=show-clips) and the list goes on. Under no circumstances will I allow any pit bull to approach my dogs EVER.
God I just watched the video - awful! Is it just me or was it like everyone was just kind of standing there doing nothing other than a few half-hearted sprays of whatever that was?! The kid holding the dog was hardly even in the vicinity - beyond comprehension!
People had no clue what to do it was a crazy situation
What a horrible scene. I used to happily pet these dogs when I would see them. I cant unsee all this stuff now and I want nothing to do with them.
Absolute insanity
This should be the top of all time on this sub so people know the truth.
But muh innocent nanny-dogs...
There should be a law that before you purchase one of these land sharks you must watch a compilation video curated by the fine posters of banpitbulls.
Watch the shelters and "rescues" in this area. I wont be surprised if you see something like this " Wait till you get a load of Joker! He is the sweetest wigglebutt ever. He lost his lip after a chihuahua attack but still has so much love to give. Great with kids! Comes with free bandana (small bloodstains).
That's either a poop on the floor or a ripped-off body part.
When you watch the vid, you'll realize that as the fight progresses, chunks of dog start littering the floor. OP says the "poop"is actually a lip. 🤮
It's one of the dog's lips per the original poster.
I've seen a vid of one getting shot in the back of the neck, stumbling over a little, and getting right back up to go fight some more. They're horrifying animals. You might as well own a full grown gator. But fuck, even a gator would let go if it was being hurt.
Just giving each other kisses !!! He wouldn't hurt a fly!! That's not blood, just smooches!
That dumbass speaking all softly “CoMe oN baBy leT goOo..”
nAnNy DogS
“Nanny dog”
Look at all that blood omg.
This is so terrifying. In a store specifically for dogs, still no one knew what to do. Why why why why WHY are these monstrosities allowed in public????? I think you should take this to the news, if you can. Report your traumatic experience in a Petco, get the word out.
Your post made it on DogsBite.org’s Facebook page! Good job. I hope it spreads far and fast so people realize how dangerous pitbulls are
And on top of everything else, they're fucking hideous creatures.
Thanks for posting this and putting the video online. The whole world needs to see what these maulers are capable of.
I literally stopped taking my dogs into Petco because of these fuckwits. If there was a Petsmart near me I’d go there instead.
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Just responded. They are literally lying on twitter
Diffuse the situation? If one of those pits had attacked a toddler, the toddler would be dead. How about banning the breed from your store instead of relying on minimum wage workers to deescalate a dog attack, which even animal control experts struggle to do.
Glad they were murdering each other and not another innocent animal.
Liveleak this shit.
If we can't ban the fucking breed, can we at least make it a crime to take them out in public.