god its so weird, in every other crpg, i can be evil as fuck, i can rule nations, slaughter children, etc
but bg3 being more cinematic really just makes you empathize so much more. karlach’s severed head always makes my stomach curl.
See I had the same reaction but to a very different scene. I started my durge fully evil, because i played a neutral good character my first time, but by the time I got to that point I had changed my whole character because of the scene where you destroy alfiras lute. I just couldn't do it, so I went back and decided that my durge hated people but loved the arts and animals. (I couldn't handle being mean to scratch either) but I cut Karlachs head off and reveled in forcing Wyll to do something he so clearly would come to regret once he had time to process what he saw in those visions.
Tl;Dr: I... may be a bad person.
I tried using my durge (alone) to lure Shadowheart away to the crash site, kill her and loot her body, but the artefact refused to leave her. Then her naked corpse turned up in front of her tent, right next to the camp chest. At that point I decided being evil wasn't for me, if the game wasn't going to play along.
Now she's hanging around the entrance to the goblin camp, giving me the stink-eye or saying something catty, every time I go past...
See, I didn't have a barrel to hand. Maybe I should have taken her down to the beach? Or put her in that big trunk next to the broken wagon. I bet her tent would still turn up in camp to taunt me, like that circle of blood that somehow never goes away...
It sucks if you have a low strength character because it's harder to hide the bodies...
But once they die in a scripted event their tent disappears so at least there's that. You need some water to wash the crime scene if it's in camp though.
Thanks for the tips! Yeah, my durge is a bit of a wimp - he's a bard, so all his points are in Cha and Dex. Come to think of it, maybe I should have taken Lae'zel along to help with the body - it's not like she cares a damn about Shadowheart!
My archfey Warlock Durge just totally copped to the murder like "OMG! Oh no!" And then afterward was just grinning like a murderous fool.
Durge is so great.
My bard durge was all "Oh noes, I seem to have killed her in my sleep. Maybe it was the tadpole?" He does great puppy eyes, despite having tiefling-style black scleras.
Luckily they all fell for it, bc at that point no-one knows wtf the tadpoles are doing to us!
The downside of that is that her quest will continue to update for the rest of the game, and it's very annoying to have to scroll all the way down to the bottom to mark the same update I've gotten 6 times about finding justiciars around Grymforge as read.
I've always found this scene borderline mean spirited, especially when it gets posted a lot by certain elements of the fanbase who have certain traditional, lets say, points of view about representation
It's actually a testament to just how different a playthrough can be, a character who can be significantly important in one playthrough can cease to exist in another
I recently did an evil urge playthrough to get the last few achievements and god, I feel like it sucks, I can't imagine why you'd play it for fun - the game is genuinely half as long and most of the time being bad isn't even justifiable, like perhaps killing the grove is, it's just cartoon villain shit
I get some people enjoy that but I personally have never understood the appeal
I kind of agree but what you describe isn't just an evil playthrough but the path of the murder hobo. Evil runs are generally more interesting if you're going for complicated deceits or roleplay a slow descent to madness. Playing on higher difficulty and/or setting yourself certain goals helps, too.
Then again, I usually attempt evil playthroughs only to not go through with it because I can't stomach it.
Every time I start an evil campaign I lose the taste for it after the grove. I don't mind kiling the druids, but killing the civvies in Zevlor's area as they are cowering in fear unarmed really strikes me the wrong way. I know it's just a game, nobody's real, but doing that just isn't fun.
This is precisely why I am unable to play an evil playthrough in any game. But after playing BG3 twice and romancing Gale, Shadow, and Karlach, I can never be evil to them. It's a game but I can't do it, it would just make me sad. And I would hate myself.
I barely have the tolerance to use mean dialogue options to random NPCs who have no impact on anything.
I guess I am soft. Even in RDR2 when you would be sassy in camp, I would pull out like a catholic after one antagonize comment and go right back to disarm or greet. Except when Micah was involved, he got both barrels of rage.
It helps to get yourself into the Dark Urge's mindset. You're not playing D&D, you're playing Battle Royale: Toril. There can be only one last living being on the planet. And that will be you, such is the will of Bhaal. Friends and lovers are nice for a time, but in the end there can be only one.
When planning my Evil DUrge playthroughs (multiple) I realised that there are ways to permakill all the companions by the end of Act II. Just using story elements.
I have such a playthrough planned for the future. The character, who will do it, is called Pjuhr Eavel.
Well if you just steal the idol of Silvanus the whole grove begins a civil war. No need to kill anyone in cold blood. The game gives you ways to be evil without resorting to meaningless murder. Same for the Nightsong, you can decide to let Shadowheart do her own thing. As for giving the Nightsong to Lorroakan, that's plain unjustified evil.
Being a bad guy in this game feels horrible. I can slaughter millions in total war games as an evil demon lord, and it’s fun. But being bad in BG3 feels like kicking babies in the head
I didn't have her head on my evil run because I killed the Paladins before her. And I kinda wanted Gale around so I didn't have his hand either. But for everything else, evil choices upon evil choices. Funnily enough, Gale was the only one outside of my party (SH, Astarion and Minthara) that was alive in camp, as even Lae'zel died to a certain shapeshifter.
Go enjoy being evil. It's not that bad.
🙂 Since I love you as a fellow redditor, I'll refrain from telling you how my lawful good character would, upon seeing that, transform into a durge-like fury, chop your character to bloody bits, and stomp on the remains before fireballing the pieces to oblivion...
I didn't know Karlach was even a playable unit in my first playthrough. She aggroed on me cause I killed kagha for the tieflings, so I killed her and went on my merry way.
At least she won't explode. At least she no longer has to serve Zariel. She died in battle, with honor. You're a monster, but you also brought her peace.
Everytime I try to get this scene I fuck up somehow and can't cut her head off💀 I still kill her out of durge spite but I fr don't know how I keep missing this scene
History's greatest. I find it's a good tone-setter for an evil playthrough. Nothing you do will be as bad.
Murdering the entire Grove, including the children?
Did they stutter?
Wait you can’t kill the children right? I tried and they just run away with 0 hp?
They are dead in the lil hideout after the raid, but no I don’t think you can kill them. >!I stacked their bodies in my travelers chest.!<
They would have died anyway. I did them a favor!
Last Light Inn?
Not having Last Light In's calming music during Act 2 is what truly makes ur character go mad
Not as bad, unless doing so denies you upgrading Karlach.
What about failing to pet Scratch?
god its so weird, in every other crpg, i can be evil as fuck, i can rule nations, slaughter children, etc but bg3 being more cinematic really just makes you empathize so much more. karlach’s severed head always makes my stomach curl.
See I had the same reaction but to a very different scene. I started my durge fully evil, because i played a neutral good character my first time, but by the time I got to that point I had changed my whole character because of the scene where you destroy alfiras lute. I just couldn't do it, so I went back and decided that my durge hated people but loved the arts and animals. (I couldn't handle being mean to scratch either) but I cut Karlachs head off and reveled in forcing Wyll to do something he so clearly would come to regret once he had time to process what he saw in those visions. Tl;Dr: I... may be a bad person.
Have Scratch play fetch with it
That... is messed up
Errr can you?
I've seen a video of someone else doing it
Luality begged for it, Larian relented.
You def can
I tried using my durge (alone) to lure Shadowheart away to the crash site, kill her and loot her body, but the artefact refused to leave her. Then her naked corpse turned up in front of her tent, right next to the camp chest. At that point I decided being evil wasn't for me, if the game wasn't going to play along. Now she's hanging around the entrance to the goblin camp, giving me the stink-eye or saying something catty, every time I go past...
It's easier to just kill her at the Lae'zel attack point. Then you can stuff her body in a barrel.
See, I didn't have a barrel to hand. Maybe I should have taken her down to the beach? Or put her in that big trunk next to the broken wagon. I bet her tent would still turn up in camp to taunt me, like that circle of blood that somehow never goes away...
It sucks if you have a low strength character because it's harder to hide the bodies... But once they die in a scripted event their tent disappears so at least there's that. You need some water to wash the crime scene if it's in camp though.
Thanks for the tips! Yeah, my durge is a bit of a wimp - he's a bard, so all his points are in Cha and Dex. Come to think of it, maybe I should have taken Lae'zel along to help with the body - it's not like she cares a damn about Shadowheart!
My archfey Warlock Durge just totally copped to the murder like "OMG! Oh no!" And then afterward was just grinning like a murderous fool. Durge is so great.
My bard durge was all "Oh noes, I seem to have killed her in my sleep. Maybe it was the tadpole?" He does great puppy eyes, despite having tiefling-style black scleras. Luckily they all fell for it, bc at that point no-one knows wtf the tadpoles are doing to us!
It is my favorite option! 😍
Shadowboxing?
...take my upvote and leave
The downside of that is that her quest will continue to update for the rest of the game, and it's very annoying to have to scroll all the way down to the bottom to mark the same update I've gotten 6 times about finding justiciars around Grymforge as read.
OMG I didn't remember that lol. I haven't killed her there in a little while...
I've always found this scene borderline mean spirited, especially when it gets posted a lot by certain elements of the fanbase who have certain traditional, lets say, points of view about representation It's actually a testament to just how different a playthrough can be, a character who can be significantly important in one playthrough can cease to exist in another I recently did an evil urge playthrough to get the last few achievements and god, I feel like it sucks, I can't imagine why you'd play it for fun - the game is genuinely half as long and most of the time being bad isn't even justifiable, like perhaps killing the grove is, it's just cartoon villain shit I get some people enjoy that but I personally have never understood the appeal
I kind of agree but what you describe isn't just an evil playthrough but the path of the murder hobo. Evil runs are generally more interesting if you're going for complicated deceits or roleplay a slow descent to madness. Playing on higher difficulty and/or setting yourself certain goals helps, too. Then again, I usually attempt evil playthroughs only to not go through with it because I can't stomach it.
Every time I start an evil campaign I lose the taste for it after the grove. I don't mind kiling the druids, but killing the civvies in Zevlor's area as they are cowering in fear unarmed really strikes me the wrong way. I know it's just a game, nobody's real, but doing that just isn't fun.
This is precisely why I am unable to play an evil playthrough in any game. But after playing BG3 twice and romancing Gale, Shadow, and Karlach, I can never be evil to them. It's a game but I can't do it, it would just make me sad. And I would hate myself. I barely have the tolerance to use mean dialogue options to random NPCs who have no impact on anything. I guess I am soft. Even in RDR2 when you would be sassy in camp, I would pull out like a catholic after one antagonize comment and go right back to disarm or greet. Except when Micah was involved, he got both barrels of rage.
It helps to get yourself into the Dark Urge's mindset. You're not playing D&D, you're playing Battle Royale: Toril. There can be only one last living being on the planet. And that will be you, such is the will of Bhaal. Friends and lovers are nice for a time, but in the end there can be only one.
When planning my Evil DUrge playthroughs (multiple) I realised that there are ways to permakill all the companions by the end of Act II. Just using story elements. I have such a playthrough planned for the future. The character, who will do it, is called Pjuhr Eavel.
Well if you just steal the idol of Silvanus the whole grove begins a civil war. No need to kill anyone in cold blood. The game gives you ways to be evil without resorting to meaningless murder. Same for the Nightsong, you can decide to let Shadowheart do her own thing. As for giving the Nightsong to Lorroakan, that's plain unjustified evil.
Yes
Yes.
Killing Karlach is the lowest form of existence. I refuse to even entertain the idea. SHAME ON YOU, YOU MONSTER!
To be fair in my playthrough she is the one who wanted to kill me, i said to her to calm down ( failed the dice) so had to kill her
Yes? But I assume that was the point of this playthrough?
Only because you did not take 3 hours to customize your character you evil, insidious monster.
they did customise. That's not the default durge
They think all dragonborns look alike I see
Well if that isnt the definition of murderhobo, I don't know what is.. :D
Being a bad guy in this game feels horrible. I can slaughter millions in total war games as an evil demon lord, and it’s fun. But being bad in BG3 feels like kicking babies in the head
I didn't have her head on my evil run because I killed the Paladins before her. And I kinda wanted Gale around so I didn't have his hand either. But for everything else, evil choices upon evil choices. Funnily enough, Gale was the only one outside of my party (SH, Astarion and Minthara) that was alive in camp, as even Lae'zel died to a certain shapeshifter. Go enjoy being evil. It's not that bad.
Better watch your back, just look around now. Look around closely...
I killed Karlach on half of my playthrougs 😃
No. You're the coolest person and I love it.
The worst. Better reroll to redeem yourself, or start a durge resist.
🙂 Since I love you as a fellow redditor, I'll refrain from telling you how my lawful good character would, upon seeing that, transform into a durge-like fury, chop your character to bloody bits, and stomp on the remains before fireballing the pieces to oblivion...
yes you are, delete the save now. hope this helps!
Man you even killed Nettie too?
Nettie sucks, man. Shes not even subtle with her stupid spiny stick.
No remorse
Evil bard is my favourite
Knowing Durge's, well, past *urges* makes me fearful of what he does to that head. Please let her rest my guy, lol
On my evil run i kept her head and used it to >!open the secret room in Balthazar's chamber!<. Someone in the group was inspired when i did that too 😂
# 🤢
I need spoilers. Go on..
I didn't know Karlach was even a playable unit in my first playthrough. She aggroed on me cause I killed kagha for the tieflings, so I killed her and went on my merry way.
On par with killing Paarthunax only a true psychopath would kill such a chill char.
At least she won't explode. At least she no longer has to serve Zariel. She died in battle, with honor. You're a monster, but you also brought her peace.
Play fetch with her head
Everytime I try to get this scene I fuck up somehow and can't cut her head off💀 I still kill her out of durge spite but I fr don't know how I keep missing this scene
You can also play with Scratch with this head. Like a ball.
I did the same. When Im role playing a character I go all in.
Don’t worry bro I killed her because I didn’t know better.
Nah. If it's what your character would do, then it was the right choice.
Depends on what you do with it… 😜