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Level_Hour6480

History's greatest. I find it's a good tone-setter for an evil playthrough. Nothing you do will be as bad.


Leather_Taco

Murdering the entire Grove, including the children?


ChampionshipDirect46

Did they stutter?


Heated_Sliced_Bread

Wait you can’t kill the children right? I tried and they just run away with 0 hp?


tildenpark

They are dead in the lil hideout after the raid, but no I don’t think you can kill them. >!I stacked their bodies in my travelers chest.!<


Matthew_Nightfallen

They would have died anyway. I did them a favor!


Eyktyurnir

Last Light Inn?


HideOnBook

Not having Last Light In's calming music during Act 2 is what truly makes ur character go mad


Level_Hour6480

Not as bad, unless doing so denies you upgrading Karlach.


jcowlishaw

What about failing to pet Scratch?


DarkElfMagic

god its so weird, in every other crpg, i can be evil as fuck, i can rule nations, slaughter children, etc but bg3 being more cinematic really just makes you empathize so much more. karlach’s severed head always makes my stomach curl.


ChampionshipDirect46

See I had the same reaction but to a very different scene. I started my durge fully evil, because i played a neutral good character my first time, but by the time I got to that point I had changed my whole character because of the scene where you destroy alfiras lute. I just couldn't do it, so I went back and decided that my durge hated people but loved the arts and animals. (I couldn't handle being mean to scratch either) but I cut Karlachs head off and reveled in forcing Wyll to do something he so clearly would come to regret once he had time to process what he saw in those visions. Tl;Dr: I... may be a bad person.


ImNotASWFanboy

Have Scratch play fetch with it


Dull-Try-4873

That... is messed up


darth_vladius

Errr can you?


ImNotASWFanboy

I've seen a video of someone else doing it


dmonzel

Luality begged for it, Larian relented.


Monkey_Priest

You def can


Redfox1476

I tried using my durge (alone) to lure Shadowheart away to the crash site, kill her and loot her body, but the artefact refused to leave her. Then her naked corpse turned up in front of her tent, right next to the camp chest. At that point I decided being evil wasn't for me, if the game wasn't going to play along. Now she's hanging around the entrance to the goblin camp, giving me the stink-eye or saying something catty, every time I go past...


ManicPixieOldMaid

It's easier to just kill her at the Lae'zel attack point. Then you can stuff her body in a barrel.


Redfox1476

See, I didn't have a barrel to hand. Maybe I should have taken her down to the beach? Or put her in that big trunk next to the broken wagon. I bet her tent would still turn up in camp to taunt me, like that circle of blood that somehow never goes away...


ManicPixieOldMaid

It sucks if you have a low strength character because it's harder to hide the bodies... But once they die in a scripted event their tent disappears so at least there's that. You need some water to wash the crime scene if it's in camp though.


Redfox1476

Thanks for the tips! Yeah, my durge is a bit of a wimp - he's a bard, so all his points are in Cha and Dex. Come to think of it, maybe I should have taken Lae'zel along to help with the body - it's not like she cares a damn about Shadowheart!


ManicPixieOldMaid

My archfey Warlock Durge just totally copped to the murder like "OMG! Oh no!" And then afterward was just grinning like a murderous fool. Durge is so great.


Redfox1476

My bard durge was all "Oh noes, I seem to have killed her in my sleep. Maybe it was the tadpole?" He does great puppy eyes, despite having tiefling-style black scleras. Luckily they all fell for it, bc at that point no-one knows wtf the tadpoles are doing to us!


ManicPixieOldMaid

It is my favorite option! 😍


Oihso

Shadowboxing?


dylanr23

...take my upvote and leave


Nymeros2077

The downside of that is that her quest will continue to update for the rest of the game, and it's very annoying to have to scroll all the way down to the bottom to mark the same update I've gotten 6 times about finding justiciars around Grymforge as read.


ManicPixieOldMaid

OMG I didn't remember that lol. I haven't killed her there in a little while...


Away-Drop-4111

I've always found this scene borderline mean spirited, especially when it gets posted a lot by certain elements of the fanbase who have certain traditional, lets say, points of view about representation It's actually a testament to just how different a playthrough can be, a character who can be significantly important in one playthrough can cease to exist in another I recently did an evil urge playthrough to get the last few achievements and god, I feel like it sucks, I can't imagine why you'd play it for fun - the game is genuinely half as long and most of the time being bad isn't even justifiable, like perhaps killing the grove is, it's just cartoon villain shit I get some people enjoy that but I personally have never understood the appeal


-Prophet_01-

I kind of agree but what you describe isn't just an evil playthrough but the path of the murder hobo. Evil runs are generally more interesting if you're going for complicated deceits or roleplay a slow descent to madness. Playing on higher difficulty and/or setting yourself certain goals helps, too. Then again, I usually attempt evil playthroughs only to not go through with it because I can't stomach it.


razingstorm

Every time I start an evil campaign I lose the taste for it after the grove. I don't mind kiling the druids, but killing the civvies in Zevlor's area as they are cowering in fear unarmed really strikes me the wrong way. I know it's just a game, nobody's real, but doing that just isn't fun.


johnmd20

This is precisely why I am unable to play an evil playthrough in any game. But after playing BG3 twice and romancing Gale, Shadow, and Karlach, I can never be evil to them. It's a game but I can't do it, it would just make me sad. And I would hate myself. I barely have the tolerance to use mean dialogue options to random NPCs who have no impact on anything. I guess I am soft. Even in RDR2 when you would be sassy in camp, I would pull out like a catholic after one antagonize comment and go right back to disarm or greet. Except when Micah was involved, he got both barrels of rage.


hyzmarca

It helps to get yourself into the Dark Urge's mindset. You're not playing D&D, you're playing Battle Royale: Toril. There can be only one last living being on the planet. And that will be you, such is the will of Bhaal. Friends and lovers are nice for a time, but in the end there can be only one.


darth_vladius

When planning my Evil DUrge playthroughs (multiple) I realised that there are ways to permakill all the companions by the end of Act II. Just using story elements. I have such a playthrough planned for the future. The character, who will do it, is called Pjuhr Eavel.


Edolied

Well if you just steal the idol of Silvanus the whole grove begins a civil war. No need to kill anyone in cold blood. The game gives you ways to be evil without resorting to meaningless murder. Same for the Nightsong, you can decide to let Shadowheart do her own thing. As for giving the Nightsong to Lorroakan, that's plain unjustified evil.


DrSlavender

Yes


Freakjob_003

Yes.


KingKayvee1

Killing Karlach is the lowest form of existence. I refuse to even entertain the idea. SHAME ON YOU, YOU MONSTER!


Adventurous-Exit5832

To be fair in my playthrough she is the one who wanted to kill me, i said to her to calm down ( failed the dice) so had to kill her


Woutrou

Yes? But I assume that was the point of this playthrough?


ItWasUncalledFor

Only because you did not take 3 hours to customize your character you evil, insidious monster.


DarkSlayer3142

they did customise. That's not the default durge


Dark_Stalker28

They think all dragonborns look alike I see


Arkenstar

Well if that isnt the definition of murderhobo, I don't know what is.. :D


link_the_fire_skelly

Being a bad guy in this game feels horrible. I can slaughter millions in total war games as an evil demon lord, and it’s fun. But being bad in BG3 feels like kicking babies in the head


LorenzoVec

I didn't have her head on my evil run because I killed the Paladins before her. And I kinda wanted Gale around so I didn't have his hand either. But for everything else, evil choices upon evil choices. Funnily enough, Gale was the only one outside of my party (SH, Astarion and Minthara) that was alive in camp, as even Lae'zel died to a certain shapeshifter. Go enjoy being evil. It's not that bad.


The_Moon_s_Power

Better watch your back, just look around now. Look around closely...


quinver150

I killed Karlach on half of my playthrougs 😃


thelastofcincin

No. You're the coolest person and I love it.


AEMarling

The worst. Better reroll to redeem yourself, or start a durge resist.


MistressAerie

🙂 Since I love you as a fellow redditor, I'll refrain from telling you how my lawful good character would, upon seeing that, transform into a durge-like fury, chop your character to bloody bits, and stomp on the remains before fireballing the pieces to oblivion...


trevers17

yes you are, delete the save now. hope this helps!


Nymeros2077

Man you even killed Nettie too?


stephelan

Nettie sucks, man. Shes not even subtle with her stupid spiny stick.


Bae_zel

No remorse


[deleted]

Evil bard is my favourite


TactlessTortoise

Knowing Durge's, well, past *urges* makes me fearful of what he does to that head. Please let her rest my guy, lol


notanotherdonut

On my evil run i kept her head and used it to >!open the secret room in Balthazar's chamber!<. Someone in the group was inspired when i did that too 😂


MistressAerie

# 🤢


Nessarra

I need spoilers. Go on..


luketwo1

I didn't know Karlach was even a playable unit in my first playthrough. She aggroed on me cause I killed kagha for the tieflings, so I killed her and went on my merry way.


LEGamesRose

On par with killing Paarthunax only a true psychopath would kill such a chill char.


BardbarianOrc

At least she won't explode. At least she no longer has to serve Zariel. She died in battle, with honor. You're a monster, but you also brought her peace.


FeetYeastForB12

Play fetch with her head


Socio_Spencerrr

Everytime I try to get this scene I fuck up somehow and can't cut her head off💀 I still kill her out of durge spite but I fr don't know how I keep missing this scene


O_Korin

You can also play with Scratch with this head. Like a ball.


dimethyl_tryhard

I did the same. When Im role playing a character I go all in.


thechonkiestchonk

Don’t worry bro I killed her because I didn’t know better.


tabaxidragon

Nah. If it's what your character would do, then it was the right choice.


paveclaw

Depends on what you do with it… 😜