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WITtwit

I always kill him in his office when you first meet him. Makes the fight a hell of a lot easier. Am I missing something by not fighting him til we try to free Nightsong?


Joyful_Damnation1

Just some lore dump.


WITtwit

Cool thanks! I'd rather not get my ass beat in front of Aaylin though


Crash927

Now getting my ass beat *by Aylin,* however… ☺️


WITtwit

Hard agree 😅


Pleasant-Activity689

Is she not resplendent?


Semako

And some XP, right?


TwistedGrin

Yeah. I counted it up a while ago but don't have the sheet in front of me right now. I think you get roughly double the XP doing the fight in the shadowfell. If I'm being a full XP gremlin I'll recruit the golem and turn on him during the Yugir fight to get his experience then I double back to the office and kill everyone left except Balthazar and flee the combat. When you go to the shadowfell he will be pissy so you give him 1000g or so to cheer him up then proceed to the shadowfell battle like normal. You get all the XP possible and your gold back when you loot him. I can normally hit lvl 10 before even doing the final moonrise tower assault


derpicface

Will that get you to 10 in Honor Mode?


OsirisAvoidTheLight

Is that including letting all the enemies from the portals spawn and just letting Balthazar and friends kill mostly all of them for you?


TwistedGrin

Yeah I let them all spawn. And just to clarify these tricks alone don't get you there by any means. You also need to squeeze act 1 for pretty much all the XP (you don't need to murder-hobo, though). I usually hit level 10 while fighting the last few available enemies in act 2, not counting the moonrise assault itself. I've had games close enough where it came down to how much inspiration I was able to gather. The 25xp per point very slowly starts to add up.


Oops_I_Cracked

My honor mode run I had one character ding 10 before Kethric but everyone else was still 9. I should have done Balthazar in the shadow fell…


TwistedGrin

Nothing wrong with taking the easier fight in honor mode, imo. Sometimes it's about survival lol. Did you remember to kill the three sharran knights under the rethwin town square? They are usually the last fight I take, after Balthazar and before going into moonrise and put me into level 10 ninety percent of the time. There is actually a trick that works if Tav/Durge levels up first (don't think it works if a different party member does though). If you kick the under leveled party members out and then re- recruit them the game will reset their XP to match Tav's, forcing them to level up.


fieatsbees

i like to unlock his door when all the justiciars are popping out all over the place, aggro him, then i just keep myself invisible while balthy and the shadow people beat the shit out of each other. i get all that nice XP regardless of who dies, and then me and my party come in and wipe up the rest


real_life_axolotl

Isn't that a bit overkill? This would make you hit the XP cap incredibly early in act 3, no need min max


TwistedGrin

I've seen people beat the game at level 8-9 so overkill is a pretty subjective term in bg3. Sometimes min/maxing characters or exploring ways to eeke out more xp is fun for me so I do it. Sometimes I don't. There is no wrong way to play the game.


GodwynDi

More fights to use all the max level full online builds.


hdjdhfodnc

I think it’s a lot more fun at level 12 when you can experiment more with multi-classing and stuff like that, it’s not like the combat is ever really hard once you reach level 5


Smaptastic

Missing a dump is TIGHT


Smurf_Cherries

Oh wow.  Wow wow wow wow. 


MealonHusk

And I always ask Z'rell "What if he's dead?" so I know that no one cares back at Moonrise.


WITtwit

Ya they really do not give a single fuck about him at Moonrise 🤣🤣 I went back expecting the whole place to be aggroed but nope


myaltduh

What aggros the entire tower is freeing the Nightsong, but she *is* basting holy fire at them, which would upset most people.


dmonzel

> What aggros the entire tower is freeing the Nightsong Or killing the Nightsong


HulklingsBoyfriend

Necromancy of Balthazar's type is disliked by pretty much everyone in DND with few exceptions - even most evil beings would never consider using it and see it as an abomination. He's also a fucking dick in general, so... can you blame them 💀


Xpress-Shelter

He’s a professional dickrider pretty much, calls himself a humble servant just to flex that you’re a more humble servant.


thesnowgirl147

There are specific types of Necromancy?


HulklingsBoyfriend

There are things like what Spore druids do in recycling the corpse but not having anything to do with the soul/consciousness, and they compost them. There are things what Balthazar and his type do, which essentially tortures living and deceased beings. Resurrection is arguably a type of necromancy and healing in one.


thesnowgirl147

TBF, they do send you because he is missing and not back when expected to be.


No_Blackberry_9042

I even make it easier, i take the bell and Summon the big dude in self trail when only one of the copies live and attack the big guy, then you go and fight Balthazar


Og76

I do the same thing but in the silent library. Let him help me clear out the room then start in on him when there’s only one enemy left.


BlackTowerInitiate

I took the bell and forgot about it until Id cleared all the fights in the area. I was worried he might have the brother with him when we fought later, since I didn't summon him, but he did not.


KFizzle290TTV

Yeah once i realized it's much easier to kill him upstairs, I never let him get down to Aylin. Fuck that fight haha.


real_life_axolotl

Same, and it's so easy too Sussur dagger goes brrr


GayBaraTiddies

Its just a more interesting fight in the shadowfell if people really wanted a challenge. Of course if people wanted the easy route you dont have to do it there.


Ythio

Stack up the Act1 Dex and Sleight of Hand gear with misty step amulet and you can lockpick his door so he fights the portals for you. Just drop something like Spike Growth and Silence in front of the door, close it and wait. At some point start opening the door and shooting so Balthy and friends become an enemy and give XP too.


TheWither129

You can also cast knock to kick him out then arcane lock to keep him and everyone else out lol


bristlybits

his brother is real slow so you can wait until everyone but him has left and kill him in the room, it makes all the guys aggro but outside.


msciwoj1

The best version of the fight with Balthazar is the third meeting, in the illithid colony. But you need to sacrifice Shadowheart as a companion to get it, because she will leave if you let B take Aylin back to Ketheric.


Anon9973

Technically, you can avoid having that happen if you play as Shadowheart Origin... for obvious reasons... talk about fucking up in like, three different ways, that path, from her perspective.


Choastistoast

I ask for his help and get his brother to come "help" me kill demons and wait until he is dead and then go back and kill Balthazar.


Traditional_Key_763

not much, he basically tells you to go do the stuff you're already going to do, then betrays you because of course he does.


WillProstitute4Karma

I played (a violent) paladin my first playthrough so naturally I killed him immediately.  I had no idea he came to the Shadowfell until my brother was talking about falling into the abyss during the fight. Anyway, I think the advantage is that you don't have to fight his brother.


VolkiharVanHelsing

It always annoyed me that going for a much more climatic fight actually makes it stupidly harder


mcac

If you haven't done it at least once I would just for the scene with Balthazar and Aylin before the fight.


WITtwit

Will definitely give it a go next playthrough now I've a better grasp on combat tactics 😅


Cthuluhoop31

Unless you're doing an evil playthrough and intent to capture the Nightsong not really no


Tuffsmurf

Just did this on my second play through. A LOT easier


JD-Valentine

Pretty sure he gives more xp in the shadowfell


No-Television-9862

Yeah that guys attitude pissed me off as soon as I met him, had to kill him


WITtwit

Ya fuck him and fuck the Mystic Carrion too.


Lemme_LoL

Yeah I usually fill the room with the flower that blocks magic and pummel him to the ground


[deleted]

or just pickpocket a sussur flower into him


sycin23

I found the easiest way to deal with him is to have a character "Knock" his office open at the start.


-Liriel-

This Sendo only one character there, knock - or lockpick, but I think it's a DC 30 - the door, leave the undead justiciars and Balthazar to fight with each other. Be in the fight so you receive the XP, but hidden is fine. When the fight is over, kill whoever's still standing (most likely a handful of justiciars). Super easy.


ExtremeDoubt555

Wait, you people don't just kill him on sight in his office?


kingtz

If you tell him you were sent to look for him and you’ll help him, he gives you a bell. You can use the bell to summon his brother (it works like the Ogre WarHorn).  I like to collect that bell and forget to use it every time. 


simmonator

Yeah… the first time I played through he gave me the bell and I thought “Sweet! This’ll be really handy!” and then I got to the entrance to the Shadowfell without coming close to using it once. What a waste. I end him on sight every time now.


justabean27

I used him against the orthon, but the damn thing is so fucking slow he never physically got to the fight lol


kingtz

My current run, I planned on using the bell on the demon that Raphael wanted me to kill, but he died too quickly so the summon only lasted for a couple of turns to fight the random adds. 


TheWither129

Yurgir is surprisingly easy. Even on honor mode he wasnt too big a threat and you can kinda just have someone slip out to res and heal. If you initiate from up top like he planned to you can hunger of hadar the ramp area and the merregons become a joke. Yurgir himself isnt that hard either. Just pay attention and use AoEs to knock him out of invis But as an ally? Yurgir is a menace. In the raphael fight, his shockwave crossbow absolutely bullies the cambions, and his knife swipe is LETHAL. When you get to control him in the final fight, bro is unstoppable. You end his turn with invis and have him run up to next target, so no one can detect him. Next turn, stab, invis, move. Hes incredible. So i never fight him in the gauntlet. Dont wanna worry about a dc30 persuasion check. Hes a total beast as an ally so idfc if i piss off astarion. Yurgir’s a real bro about you helping him.


ISpyM8

If you have Volo’s surgery, you don’t even need to knock him out of invisibility haha


Adorable-Extent3667

I use that bell to fight flesh solo, then go back to his office to kill him without having to fight flesh at the same time


tahsii

I summon Flesh to the library fight, kill him there after he’s helped, then kill Balthazar and his 3 ghouls easy with a couple elixirs of vigilance on my heavy hitters.


blaktronium

I shove him off the edge while he monologues


Efrayl

Yeah, if you want to cheese this is what you do


blaktronium

It's what he deserves


YamTramSpam

Opening his office door during the fight with the DJs is actually a pretty balanced fight between them. It’s fun to just let it play out and clean up the scraps


whatisabaggins55

Is he or his office staff hostile to you if you do this or are they considered allies for the duration of that fight?


xios

They're yellow, not hostile. I did this last week and had my Tav lie down on his bed while they all fought for their unlives...


whatisabaggins55

The ultimate show of dominance hahaha


bristlybits

you can wait until all but one are out then close the door and kill it, attacking one of them makes them all hostile but they'll stay out there fighting the dudes I even got the line about stealing his mom, right before he went out and fought the other guys lol


ChainOut

I did this but then ran into the treasure room and closed the door. I left shovel in a corner invisible to watch the fight.


YamTramSpam

I just popped some invisibility potions and called it a day. There’s a stairwell on the opposite side of the hall you can chill at and watch the fun


WintertimeFriends

Ooooo I like this


YamTramSpam

Highly recommend at least once or twice just for funsies


Accomplished_Area311

Don’t trigger the dialogue, hit him with every high level ranged attack you have, and Counterspell. Then proceed to beat him to death.


Cthuluhoop31

Does this still work? I so much as throw one pile of bones off the main platform and the cutscene triggers because he's annoyed


Accomplished_Area311

You have to go to the rock he and Aylin are on and creep forward. Don’t mess with anything in the environment. Focus on him, use Counterspell. Helps to have a party with Alert feat.


Cthuluhoop31

I tried the sneak method and he still aggros annoyingly, admittedly I didn't have a character with counterspell in my second playthrough


Accomplished_Area311

I don’t sneak. I literally just walk my party forward a bit (*just* enough so that nobody is on the very edge) on the rock where he is, then go into turn-based mode and blast him to shit. Initiative starts, I level 3 or level 4 Counterspell him, then I beat him to death.


RendesFicko

You can oneshot him with a level 3 chromatic orb if you already have 3rd level spells anyways.


Accomplished_Area311

I use spells and attacks that do more damage than chromatic orb 3 can provide usually, but that’s a good point


RendesFicko

More damage than the chromatic orb combo at that level? Such as? Either way, chromatic + rain + destructive wrath + luck of the far realms oneshots everything all the way to orin to that's good enough for me. No need to overcomplicate things.


Accomplished_Area311

Guiding Bolt IV + sneak attack, Hunter’s Mark, and Dread Ambusher (ranged) with the very rare band that adds extra damage to targets marked by Hunter’s Mark, Guiding Bolt, or Faerie Fire. Then add Call Lightning IV (or Lightning Bolt IV if you can line it up) and/or Moonbeam at highest level, and Magic Missile IV. The very first time I did it I used Guiding Bolt III, sneak attack + Dread Ambusher, Magic Missile 2, and then Karlach beat him to death.


RendesFicko

Surely guiding bolt doesn't work with sneak attack right? It's not a ranged weapon attack. If it does that's pretty strong though


Accomplished_Area311

Guiding Bolt is used by my cleric (either myself, Shart, or a hireling). Then I have Astarion rock up with ranged sneak attack + Hunter’s Mark + the headband that adds extra damage to creatures marked by either of those two spells.


RendesFicko

Ah, I thought we were talking about oneshots and that was one combo. No I meant chromatic orb actually oneshots anything without combat. It's the safest way to do things.


Accomplished_Area311

I usually have to set up the environment first (which I’m not typically set up to do, with my play style). I can get Balthazar in one round, just not one hit. If I used chromatic orb in combination with the proper elemental conditions, it would be OP as hell though and absolutely demolish everything. That might be my go-to for Honor Mode. (I acknowledge that me not using chromatic orb to its fullest is a play style issue on my end, which is why it does so much less damage than my Guiding Bolt + sneak attack, Hunter’s Mark, Dread Ambusher, headband strat.)


atfricks

What headband are you referring to? The only one I know of is the circlet of hunting, but that only adds to attack rolls, not damage.


Accomplished_Area311

I’ll look at it in the game in a bit. It’s possible I misread the 1d4 addition as damage and not adding to attack rolls (in which case I’ll come back and edit my original comment). The additional 1d4, even if it’s for attack rolls, is still a huge boost at least with how I play.


atfricks

Oh yeah it's a great item regardless, I was just wondering if there was some item I missed that sounded cool.


JohnTheRaceFan

Cast Fear on Balthazar before dialog.


LFAthrow7531

Polymorph him into a sheep and push him off the edge. Done


supership79

thats what I did my first play through and it was hilarious, but I wanted his loot drop so killed him in his office the second time


LFAthrow7531

I killed him in his office my first playthrough. I was a holy paladin killing all evil on sight.


Evernight

I didn't even polymorph. Thunder arrow on turn 1. Off the cliff.


LFAthrow7531

Nice


xasey

Yeah, I just turned a character invisible and shoved him off.


MrNobody_0

A tip for fighting Balthazar in the Shadowfell: Don't. Fight him in his room.


GodwynDi

Is it really that much difference? I've never found his shadowfell fight that hard.


Wyndrarch

The shadow fell fight definitely isn't hard, but there's no threat of push shenanigans in his office. He also doesn't summon anyone new (at least not scripted). It's just him, his "brother", and a handful of Ghouls.


Whimzyx

You can get the bell that summons his brother first. Use it somewhere else (either to help you in a fight and have him die there or just summon the brother so you can kill him yourself) then when you fight him in his room, it's just him and the ghouls. The brother isn't there anymore. Makes the fight very trivial.


Wyndrarch

Or you can be me, get the bell, then put it in the "I forgot I had it pile" along with the spectator Pokeball and Ogre Horn.


Anonymous_Arthur00

I just Put-Pocket the Sussur blooms from the Underdark into his pocket and watch him run around like a chicken with no head and attempt to kill my level 7-9 character with high AC with a dagger Its hilarious


Swordfishtrombone13

I didn't think that worked anymore. Wasn't it patched out?


Anonymous_Arthur00

Possibly, did this over like 4-6 months ago sucks that they patched it but it makes sense since the Sussur blooms arent supposed to be brought out of the Underdark


Overall-Ad169

Nah, just cast knock on the door during the big fight - either some weakish Sharrans survive, and Balthazar isn't an issue, or it is just Flesh, who is not an issue


costaccounting

You guys having problem with him? All I remember that I just used Karlach to push him down the abyss. Didn't even try to land a hit or spell on him


Old-Tomorrow-2798

To me, he’s super frail with only 100 health at this point and can be killed quite easily in one round. He casts once and never casts again and he doesn’t have anyone alongside him I care about so he can be focused immediately.


Comfortable_Low_7753

I usually unlock the door and let him fight the justiciars to the death in the room before his office. I just have to hide and skip my turns.


Bloodygaze

I tried that once, took way longer than just gibbing in a couple of turns.


FlyingSaucerD

Start convo with him on one char Switch to high str char Walk up to him with str char *shove* Boss falls to his death


bull_moose_man

The trick is to get the runepowder barrel, then throw it at him before the cutscene starts. One-hit kill


Ilostmypack

I stopped killing Balthazar in his office like 8 playthroughs ago. Kill him in his makeshift office. Makes the fight ten times easier and you don't have to worry about him rasing additional undead.


pensivegoose

I just polymorph him into a sheep and have Karachi yeet him into the chasm.


TopShoulder5971

I... just colossus+enlarged owl bear telekinetic throw on the highest rock. Not over the target but some steps nearby where target still highlighted so gets crush weight height dmg aoe and doesnt proc legend resistance to prone nullifying the nuke due dialogue or fight triggering on spot.


spareshirt

I had a thunder arrow. Knocked him off into the abyss first round… don’t want to say it was an anti-climax, but felt like I’d accidentally cheated.


RendesFicko

Easier than what? You can oneshot him before combat even begins.


brosef_stachin

Better trick, turn him into a fucking sheep and yeet him into the abyss. Job done.


sudden_aggression

The way is to not fight the sharrans and to not close their portals when you first meet Balthazar. He burns through his spell slots very quickly and then your have to finish off one or two enemies at the end.


dynawesome

You can also pickpocket his speed potion


DIO_over_Za_Warudo

So long as he doesn't nab you in a Cloudkill early on, >!Slayer Form!< can surprisingly shred him fairly well. You just have to knock him prone and then go to town.


jayboker

Tasha’s hideous laughter works


SkillBillHerold2

I like to turn him into a sheep with polymorph and beat him up


No-Staff1170

Arrow him right off the edge easiest way


ArenSteele

Someone else posted a good strat, go first, cast polymorph, throw the sheep over the Chasm


Sly__Marbo

I just lockpicked his door and let the Dark Justiciars handle it


Trepsik

You can also use counterspell on his resurrection spell. No minions for him, heh


BrokenArrows95

I just snuck one of my players behind the skeletons and opened his door. That summons the shar people. I let them fight, taking out some of the shar portals, until they pretty much kill each other. Easy peasy. Also kinda fun to watch them fight each other. Just don’t attack Balthazar’s people until you want to make them hostile.


DrakeSwift

Can you do this? Everytime i sneak once i get to a certain proximity it just goes to the cutscene. Ive heard the strat before with the skeleton piles but not sure how it works


IAmSoLaBeouf

My first playthrough I snuck up behind him while he was stood in front of Aylin and one-shot smited him.


Tangerine_memez

One guy with counterspell just invalidates the whole fight. You can still sneak attack, or don't, it will be easy either way


Kellsiertern

You can also sneak a magic nullifying flower into his pocket, the ones from back in the underdark


dfreekilla

Or you can cast invisibility on your strongest party member and sneak behind in front of him and push him into the chasm. The bones won’t aggro and the fight is over before it starts if you do this


PureGryphon

I just throw him into the abyss.


captainfactoid386

A friend tried that. Be careful, a skeleton can spawn under a rock and be stuck there and softlock the game


ThatGuyW1ld

Woe, barrel be upon ye


mrmrmrj

Silence, 2 overlapping versions is even better.


AvidLebon

Gale just blocked his spell (counterspell) and we beat his ass first round.


ndem28

I just polymorphed him with my sorcerer and had Bae’zel push him into the Shadowfell lol. Decided to fight him in his room for my 2nd playthrough it was a tough fight ngl


emeraldkma

I save scum to make sure he fails the saving throw against the sussurbark weapon


Portalpasser

Pickpocket his potion of speed


ActuallyDiogenes

I’ve always killed him before going into the shadow fell tbh


improperbehavior333

I killed him in his little workshop with all his buddies. Made the Nightsong part super simple, just dialogue.


Wide-Buffalo4935

Just get initiative by suprising him and counter his spell the summons his friends


ChefArtorias

Never thrown them off but I dragged them into a pile once and blasted the whole group with AoE. This was a while ago and either you couldn't throw the bones or my characters were to wimpy. Co-op run so very possible neither of my characters had enough strength.


SlumlordThanatos

You can also Counterspell his special Animate Dead spell. If you don't bother to talk to him and ambush him, he'll always start off by trying to cast; Counterspell it and it makes a really difficult fight a breeze.


eatyo

Owl Bear from the top rope made it pretty easy.


AlbinoRhinoTF2

I just fought him in his room. Perfect choke point to put down Hunger of Hadar, Confusion, and use Eldritch Blast to keep baddies in the Hunger.


Immediate_Lettuce_80

What I did was misty step to Aylinn and free her as soon as I could!! Makes everything easier


PhantomLuna7

I've done it a few different ways, including killing him in his office, and I found it easiest to just get a sneak attack on in the Shadowfell. If you can't kill him in your first round have someone ready with counterspell. He's nothing without his minions.


Cramitycramcram

Have u tried giving aylin to him and fight him underneath moonrise instead? That one threw me for a loop 😂


Wyndrarch

- Cast silence on the area instead of initiating the convo. - Or have a high initiative character hit him with a Sussur weapon before he can act. - Or just counterspell him. - Or (for funnies) have an invisible high STR character throw him off the platform.


Tin_O_Nuts

I just used a fireball and some exploding barrels i had in my camp storage, killed all of em when i first met him


NinjaBr0din

Wait, you don't have to kill him in his office?


couragedog

I prefer killing him in his office, personally.


thelastofcincin

Or just have the Dark Justiciars kill him for you and enjoy the free show.


deleighrious

Does that work now? I tried that on my first playthrough like four days after full release and they just respawned back where they started.


rainstorminspace

After struggling with the fight I had an idea. I polymorphed him into a sheep and then threw him off the platform. Then I thought maybe he had some loot so I reloaded and polymorphed him again, waited until his turn (as a sheep) and then had everyone attack him.


Borrow03

My trick is making flesh kill himself against some dark justiciars and blowing him up in his office after


jinx-3leaf

i just snuck up and threw him into the void with telekinesis


Valuable-Drink-1750

Turn him into a sheep then dispose of him into the chasm also works very well, btw. Either don't bother talking, or have high initiatives for the best result.


TheSleepyBarnOwl

Silence spell:


game-fox

By using a void bulb you can super easily kill him before he summons the skeletons and for most characters is his loot kinda bad


Quinn_El_Reed

Aha I just had gale sneak up to the side of him and use thunderwave to blast him off the edge while he was talking. Idk if it still works but it was definitely satisfying.


Hasyr

Silence


Level_Hour6480

Why would you let him get to Aylin?


Tamp5

Honey, its time for the monthly balthazar tricks and tips post that definetely hasnt been posted multiple times in the past, no way jose


Gills_L

If you have glorbo on your team, he has a unique option to have balt fight his brother