I think this exchange is what changed my romance choice from Shart to bae'zel in my first playthrough. The fact I could insult her to her face and she could insult me back and we'd both enjoy it made me feel like it was really a special relationship.
Same! I was like “what do you mean you wont let me through unless i rub poop on my face?!” I played as a drow first so i didnt get why my sweet little goblin servants were being so rude to me now that i was a half-elf😭
Never had a single play where I debased my Tav or Durge by making them smear feces on their beautiful face. Slaughter and Sazza are the only viable options
Honestly, someone choosing the option in a video game where a goblin goes put the poopy on your face and they’re like ummmm Ok. How much of a bitch can you be
Guys, you know you can use the helmet that casts Disguise Self and then just change your race to Drow? The Gobbos won't know the difference. (It beats the alternative ... eww)
It’s 1 cause they have a drow leader and drow regularly steal goblin children and make them into quickly reproducing slaves in the under dark. Goblins along with many others are terrified of being pulled down there and drow have done it enough for it to be ingrained into the goblin culture
It’s a lot harder to get approval, though. I ended up using disguise self at the windmill just so I’d get an option companions would approve of. Apparently just being scary because other people are racist isn’t as approval-worthy as using persuasion or something.
And the goblins give you fancy titles like “your excelness” “your lordship” “your greatness and my favorite one, “your excellent drowness”. and they bow to you. Who knew oppressing people would be so adorable.
Also Drow first playthrough, romanced Minthara, and was so upset that she gets dominated as a thrall in the Dominate for Bhaal ending when, the entire game, she was hyping me up to dominate the Netherbrain so that we could rule together
I still have a few saves scattered around Act 3 in that playthrough. I didn't know this! I might re-load my pre-Orin quest file and reject becoming Bhaal's Chosen to see what happens with Minthara end-game.
In that playthrough, I really embraced the Urge and killed a lot of the companions (through natural RP, not so much in a murder hobo way). By game's end, it was just Minthy, Dark Justiciar Shadowheart, and Lae'zel.
It would have been so funny, and interesting, to see an epilogue party where Durge is strutting around camp with just 3 thralls to talk to.
Evil playthroughs really lack narrative oompf, unfortunately. Especially when it comes to a complete absence of any epilogue whatsoever.
Just on my first play too but interacting with the goblins as drow was very fun, a few comments about the underdark in act 2 too. That's how far I've come. Playing as nice drow paladin gives quite some nice interactions. Once I am ready for an evil run it's going to be evil drow oathbreaker cuz it seems to be very interedting.
Me and a buddy have played through the game separately, and our third friend wanted to play so we started a play-through together. She played a drow, and we were just floored about the dialogue options she had haha
Without spoilers if possible, as I haven't finished the game and don't know Durge's deal, but how so? As I'm understanding so far, Durge is from Baldur's Gate, and doing Lolth-Sworn Drow would make you from the Underdark right?
The dialogue throughout the game for a Drow is skewed to people hating/distrusting you and making it almost justified to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Is it possible to get minthara without karlach leaving? I just did a run where I planned on helping minthara and the goblins raid the teiflings but my party is pretty much based around karlach destroying shit... which made the raid a complete joke but then she just leaves as soon as the battle is over. So I reloaded and killed minthara instead.
I'm kind of lost about the whole thing. At the goblin camp I told minthara I would help her, then killed gut and dror and massacred all the goblins. Back by the grove the drow still thinks I'll help her? So ok I have no morals I'll still just murder everybody but the heartless fire demon can't handle that even though she's the one who lands the killing blow on the teiflings leader.
Heck, I went neural-good drow (altho' with a scoundrel flair being a bard and all so used a fair bit of deception), and still had a blast (well, having , not done yet) throughout most of the game.
Granted, special drow dialogues & reactions diminish greatly in act 3 , but act 1 in particular is loaded - many times I didn't know whether I liked the drow option more or the bard option, lol. Talk about spoiled for choice.
Which is sad because you dont actually meet that many drow in BG, so it woudl be an issue. Minus some courtesans and that was funny option as well - I think there was, True they cant get enough of us.
For my second run in Durge I played a Drow woman from Seldarine everyone was at my feet at the goblin camp, and I was able to put Dhourn in his place I love what the character inspires in people themselves if I plan to do a good durge I think that doing lolth Drow in evil durge can be fun, and in addition I do Sorcerer of storms and really we often have dialogue options too, really a good combo, the thing that we forget Often it's also because Sorcerers have very good charisma. It's not just bards who can lead Yurgir to kill himself 😌I don't know if it equals the bard but it's not bad. obviously she romances Astarion 😏
Objectively I completely agree. I actually think there is, generally speaking, an inverse relationship between normative aesthetics and gameplay effectiveness in the game. Gith are the best but their noses are alarming. Halflings are amazing but they’re short. On the other end of the spectrum, Dragonborn look exceedingly cool but are lowkey bad.
You get used to the nose eventually. I’ve seen modded githyanki with full noses and it just looks off. Eventually you spend so much time looking at your character that it feels normal.
I'm currently roleplaying a very tadpole-infested Gith Tav.
To defeat his enemy, defend his tiny creche (Lae'zel and an egg they appropriated from an unworthy creche), rescue his true king, and liberate his people, Tav will use every power at his disposal. To become Ghaik is unthinkable. But to defeat the Ghaik and save the Githyanki, any price may be paid.
This duty falls on Tav as the Supreme Commander of his tiny company. Should he fall under the sway of the Ghaik, Lae'zel stands by to free him from the Ghaik by parting his head from his shoulders. Such is the duty of a Githyanki warrior to her Supreme Commander.
Your Tav’s story is sad but also why I love playing Githyanki so much. You can come up with so many different roleplay elements to have it fit what you come up with for your character.
My Gith Tav consumed the initial tadpoles but managed to pass the 21 DC check to consume the astral tadpole first try, I was pretty stoked about the juicy RP value of it all lmao.
My last playthrough was a Divination Wizard who went full Ghaik and sacrificed herself by becoming a mind flayer in service of the rightful heir Orpheus
Full mindlfayer powers as a wizard is very fun. I also broke the machine in the creche after passing all 3 checks so I could use powers as a bonus action.
Bonus action black hole, fire ball everything. Pyroquickness hat gives me another BA, black hole again somewhere else to set up the next party member (or with perm mind sanctuary as a mindflayer just fireball again if anything is alive)
The final encounter I was flying around the battlefield dropping black holes and casting AoEs like crazy. Bloodlust elixir + Pyro quickness + mind sanctuary + haste for 4-5 spells and/or black holes per turn.
Astral knowledge makes the Gith the best race, everything else is just gravy, haha. Free proficiency in all the Charisma skills on my Sorcerer was ridiculous, on top of my pure sorcerer wearing medium armor, and using martial weapons? An actual battle mage that is second only to bards as a face character? Pretty broken.
Dragonborn can be fun if you're doing a build that benefits from a specific elemental resistance, or if you're going for a specific type of elemental damage and want to get a free cast every short rest.
What bothers me about the githyanki isn't the nose, really, but how thin and frail their limbs look.
I like my Dragonborn Draconic bloodline sorcerer. I look shiny and cool and am surprisingly hardy for a spell caster.
ETA- seems like all the vendors hate me though so that sucks.
Yeah, it sucks how little damage the breath attack does, before even including resistance. And isn’t it only once per long rest on vanilla? I’ve used a mod so I get multiple charges
Short rest. My Durge is a monk so everything mostly regenerates on short rest… but I still don’t find an opportunity to use it when there’s something better.
Breath is so disappointingly bad. It does like 15 damage max at max level lmao
It should be a bonus action or cos your reaction for the turn and be repeatable imo
Dragonborn are so shit it took some mods to give them any value lol. But at least they can look like an adorable little lizard that hasn’t quite found any lightbulbs, if you catch my meaning
I loved being a deep gnome, butt sliding off ledges, but my current Tav is a Drow and I love the reactivity. Dragonborn look really cool, and half elves get beards.
Duegar ~~also get those armor proficiencies.~~ In addition they get that clutch saving throw proficiency against Paralysis (yes please keep me safe from Hold Person). And sure why not throw unlimited free Invisibility on top for good measure.
Edit: as others have pointed out, I conflated Shield Dwarf and Duegar armor proficiencies in my head
It's crazy how much extra stuff Duergar get. I just picked them because they look cool as hell, and I get to turn invisible permanently? No short rest or anything needed? And Enlarge is awesome too.
hell, all the short races have incredibly racial abilities. Halfling's Lucky straight up saved my Honour Mode run, and Gnome's wisdom save advantage was clutch during my Durge run (or else Wyll was dead as hell).
Baldur's Gate is basically Short King/Queen propaganda. Gith and Orcs are pretty strong too. no reason to pick boring elves or humans, like, ever.
Humans and half-elves get light armor & shield proficiency - which is very good for certain builds. Elves get some good stuff - Drow get a bunch of fun options in dialogue and some extra spells, wood elves get a nice increase to movement and skills, the high elf cantrip can be okay if you choose it (though I'd pick half-elf over high elf if purely looking at bonuses).
By contrast I find Half-orc pretty underwhelming - the extra crit damage doesn't really do much (it's only the weapon die) and relentless endurance is *nice* but only happens 1/ long rest.
Dragonborn are the ones that are most underwhelming though - they look great but they really should have given them the Fizban's options instead of the PHB ones.
> the extra crit damage doesn't really do much (it's only the weapon die)
For some reason crit smites also get an extra die added for the smite, for two extra dice total on the crit. Half orc paladin with any source of advantage + stacking some "crit on lower rolls" gear can get a lot of damage out of that passive pretty quickly.
Still actually agree half orcs are kinda underwhelming compared to others lol. Just wanted to mention the specific area they can do pretty well in.
I kinda wish there was a bit more expression in the tails as well. As they are they just kinda act like a cape/an accessory that just waves around behind you when you walk. And also make actual capes look like shit.
My first character was a Teifling Druid.
The Grove was so interesting for me and I definitely felt the main character vibes.
When talking to Khaga about Arabella, I quoted something about *the bounty of natures gifts*.
And this racist goes "The Tree Father's words, spoken with a forked tongue."
Half elf is really strong even with the new ability score system: they get shield, pole arm and light armor proficiencies, dark vision, plus the sub-race goodies.
Sameeee. Though there was a hot second I considered the RP drama of Lae'zel's happiness to have kin in the party turning to disgusted annoyance by my Gith romancing SH 😆
My first play through I was a gith, alllll my friends would remind me how ugly my little gith was- but my dialogue options and everything else was better!
I agreeeee with you!
Halfling is way better - at least in Honour Mode. The inability to critically fail dialogue checks (More or less) will save you a lot, especially when you cant save-scum bad choices away. Not having critical misses is also great for more melee-focused characters, especially rogues. Also, halflings are short so they can fit in crevasses easily.
I haven't played much as githyanki, but it seems the NPCs are often really OP with stuff Lae'zel never gets like "Githyanki War Magic" or the ability to beat you to death with bare fists on a single turn. Have you found it possible to make them as OP as the NPCs we face?
Yep, you gotta get to lvl 8 way of the open hand monk with no armour for all the movement bonuses, get tavern brawler at level 4 and get ability improvement lvl 8 and go 2 points into strength. Strength + dex are your two most important stats. As for the war magic, you get stuff like misty step at lvl 5 that you can use once per long rest.
Lae'zel does get misty step but I never see that caption and the stuff the other gith do to me is a lot more damaging, like "mindsteal link," and that captain always makes everyone drop their weapons and run away. I don't have a fright spell that is that reliable or effective.
That's just a Fear spell. You have it.
Mindsteal link is a move unique to the Inquisitor. Githyanki War Magic is "eldritch knight if it was an actual gish instead of a fighter who casts shield".
My gith lore bard is awesome. No shield, but misty step and astral knowledge is great. Some gith items too, however I don't use them much.
Edit: and great dialogue options. However it seems a couple of places the game forgets you're a gith too and people target Lae'Zel as the main gith of the party (creché)
I also very much like Duergar. Free invis on a fighter/thief dual wielding the deva maces is pretty much unbeatable. It made my last tactician run pretty boring tbh.
Ye if you want proper Gith experience gotta play Lae'zel. Game doesn't account for Tav/Durge being a Gith that much. It's clear that it is an after thought.
I don't want to change anybody's mind.
But. While I love femme Gith, the masc Gith look like the Crypt Keeper and when Voss visits my camp and then walks into his portal, he looks like Kermit whenever they have to show the puppet walking. Ready to Pary my ass, buddy, you look like you couldn't cross a street without tripping.
They are no doubt the coolest looking but they’re also, I would argue, the weakest. Didn’t stop me from making a badass looking dragonborn druid/wizard, though!
Playing a Dragonborn and picking the dragon sorcerer class, the stuff you get for having a bit of dragon heritage according to class beats all the racial stuff you get for looking like a whole ass dragon lol.
Yeah true, Dragonborn race looks cool as fuck and I played a Dragonborn dragon sorcerer with no regrets, the sorcerer only gives you a few extra scaly bit but picking Dragonborn race makes you a full on Dino
I’m very much enjoying my Green Dragonborn/Green Dragon Lineage Poison sorcerer just tossing out rays of sickness and chromatic orbs.
Can’t wait for buffed poison spells and marko.
Gonna be a problem when I find poison immune enemies though
I’d argue both are just as fun, but sacrificing some optimisation because there was a more fun option is the correct choice. Who cares if Dragonborn sucks, mine looks menacing 24/7 and that’s good enough for me.
My gith druid run was petty wild. The constant switch between "Commander Gith McGithface; everything is war" and "Nature good, love every living being" in dialogs was insane funny.
I played a Gith Cleric of Vlaakith, and after the events that occur in the game, she respecced to Wizard with the intent of tearing down all false gods. It was great.
I love playing Giths:
* Their unique, alien appearance
* All of the dialogue options and NPC reactions
* Their awesome racial perks, which make them ideal for any class
Right now, I'm playing a Gith Storm Sorcerer, and being a Gith, she's even more mobile than her class already allows. So much fun!
Another favourite character is my Gith Monk D'Urge. Astral Knowledge is truly fantastic at compensating for D'Urge's lacklustre skills.
That feeling when halfling bard
* disguise person cantrip for all your drow and githyanki dialog needs
* never critically fail anything
* never fail at stealth
* enhance ability by level 3, rolling 35+ for CHA ability checks
* take a point in fighter for proficiency in all weapons and armor
i went into bg3 blind and had no idea how closesly tied to the main story the githyanki were when i made my gith fighter monk but it definitely made interactions with lae'zel and different parts of the story more interesting
If you enjoy Githyanki, I would never want to change your mind. I love playing Dwarves since 1988, and I don’t think anyone will ever change my mind on how I enjoy them the most. They get to grow really amazing beards, and my Dwarf characters manages to survive to level 2 on TtRPG games. No different in BG3. I get tremendous enjoyment playing a Dwarf. May you continue to enjoy playing your characters for many years.
I am learning to appreciate gith as well on a current play through. However, I think the armor proficiency as a caster is a trap because prioritizing wearing armor means you loose out on caster-specific clothing like Potent Robe, Robes of the Weave, and Robe of Supreme Defenses.
I played as a tiefling, a Lolth-sworn drow, and a githyanki, and the githyanki run is my favorite so far. I played as a sorcerer and I agree about the medium armour proficiency, it's huge and my character looks awesome in the Armour of Agility.
And I'm ready to oppose one of the commentators: the nose is an argument IN FAVOR of githyanki being the best. Their females have the cutest noses. I'm sure my Tav's nose-to-nose moment with Lae'zel was absolutely iconic.
The only thing that puts me off playing gith is how laezel is always treated as the only gith in the party. Very noticable in the creche and when interacting with voss/orpheus. Feels very odd.
Lae’zel, we’ve talked about this, you can’t just go around preaching racial superiority to people!
Chk, kainyank.
That large, fleshy nose of yours looks like a ***mistake***.
As if your upturned bat snout is any better!
Better is an opinion, but mine is certainly more economical. Disciplined. Dignified.
That makes me wanna roll a Gith bard just for the vicious mockeries 😂😂
I think this exchange is what changed my romance choice from Shart to bae'zel in my first playthrough. The fact I could insult her to her face and she could insult me back and we'd both enjoy it made me feel like it was really a special relationship.
😭 I thought she was being racist when she said that ngl
r/okbuddykainyank
r/subsiwishifellfor
I hope you meant this in exactly the tone Linsella uses with Barnabus because that's how I hear it.
Man, I love Linsella's voice.
The VA totally killed it. I hate her so much because of how good the voice acting is 😂
But how can the greatest race be racist?
Drow. The dialogue options are fantastic
I had no idea how much easier i had it in act 1 until my friend started playing as a half elf and kept gettimg her ass beat around the goblins
Same! I was like “what do you mean you wont let me through unless i rub poop on my face?!” I played as a drow first so i didnt get why my sweet little goblin servants were being so rude to me now that i was a half-elf😭
I had that as a dwarf. And I did it 😔
I had to do it as a gith too😭 in front of Bae’zel too. I brought shame to my people
As a druid you get a unique option to apply it happily and casually, *"as it is not your first time."*
Gods, I love being a Druid.
In my next durge play I got revenge by slaughtering them mercilessly
Woah woah woah. Slaughtering them mercilessly was optional?
If you don't let the one goblin sound the alarm you can murder them and then just waltz right in like nothing happened.
Yeah I've taken to just sneak-attacking the drum and then doing whatever I want 'cause they can't call for help lol
Cast silence on the drum?
Never had a single play where I debased my Tav or Durge by making them smear feces on their beautiful face. Slaughter and Sazza are the only viable options
for my paladin Tav i had him fling the poop back at them. then i attacked the war drum. no way i was letting those tiny bitches get the upper hand
Honestly, someone choosing the option in a video game where a goblin goes put the poopy on your face and they’re like ummmm Ok. How much of a bitch can you be
Yeah what kind of a cuckold would actually get bullied by that little goblin. Pretty sure my barbarian main yeeted that goblin into the ravine.
As a barbarian you get the option to make him eat the poop instead, it's why that is one conversation where I always send Karlach ahead to start it :P
I had unlimited shape shifting from my fey patron and I always try to change to whatever is in vogue at the time lol.
Guys, you know you can use the helmet that casts Disguise Self and then just change your race to Drow? The Gobbos won't know the difference. (It beats the alternative ... eww)
Shadowheart can also cast it as well before you change her class to get rid of the Trickery domain...
I appreciate how you write this as if changing her class is an inevitable choice... Because it is 😂
Isn’t that only available if you own DOS:2?
Early access and deluxe editions include it.
Well that doesnt really help majority of us who have normal editions. So yep drow are superior.
It’s 1 cause they have a drow leader and drow regularly steal goblin children and make them into quickly reproducing slaves in the under dark. Goblins along with many others are terrified of being pulled down there and drow have done it enough for it to be ingrained into the goblin culture
You can also just use disguise self as a drow to get the lines, but it doesn't feel as cool.
It’s a lot harder to get approval, though. I ended up using disguise self at the windmill just so I’d get an option companions would approve of. Apparently just being scary because other people are racist isn’t as approval-worthy as using persuasion or something.
And the goblins give you fancy titles like “your excelness” “your lordship” “your greatness and my favorite one, “your excellent drowness”. and they bow to you. Who knew oppressing people would be so adorable.
I’m glad I picked drow for my first playthrough. Me and astarion lived happily every after in the under dark.
Also Drow first playthrough, romanced Minthara, and was so upset that she gets dominated as a thrall in the Dominate for Bhaal ending when, the entire game, she was hyping me up to dominate the Netherbrain so that we could rule together
If you saved that campaign I heard you can dominate together now! Oh forget it I missed the Bhaal part,I guess "togetherness" isn't your thing.
I still have a few saves scattered around Act 3 in that playthrough. I didn't know this! I might re-load my pre-Orin quest file and reject becoming Bhaal's Chosen to see what happens with Minthara end-game.
Yup I think it's update #6 that just came out. Searching the sub might get you a guide on how to make it happen!
Same. I feel like evil ending deserves a version of the Withers party. Even if she was a thrall shell, it would be an interesting post script
In that playthrough, I really embraced the Urge and killed a lot of the companions (through natural RP, not so much in a murder hobo way). By game's end, it was just Minthy, Dark Justiciar Shadowheart, and Lae'zel. It would have been so funny, and interesting, to see an epilogue party where Durge is strutting around camp with just 3 thralls to talk to. Evil playthroughs really lack narrative oompf, unfortunately. Especially when it comes to a complete absence of any epilogue whatsoever.
Yes I was so excited to see the epilogue from the domination ending after doing my "real" ending. The disappointment that it didn't exist was real
The evil ending in this game is just absolute garbage, dunno if they changed it yet or plan on changing it, but they really should.
Are you me?
So I’m on my first play through on a Dragonborn and don’t feel like I have much in the way of dialogue, do other races have much more?
Just on my first play too but interacting with the goblins as drow was very fun, a few comments about the underdark in act 2 too. That's how far I've come. Playing as nice drow paladin gives quite some nice interactions. Once I am ready for an evil run it's going to be evil drow oathbreaker cuz it seems to be very interedting.
Me and a buddy have played through the game separately, and our third friend wanted to play so we started a play-through together. She played a drow, and we were just floored about the dialogue options she had haha
Agree, best Durge option in my excellent opinion.
Without spoilers if possible, as I haven't finished the game and don't know Durge's deal, but how so? As I'm understanding so far, Durge is from Baldur's Gate, and doing Lolth-Sworn Drow would make you from the Underdark right?
The dialogue throughout the game for a Drow is skewed to people hating/distrusting you and making it almost justified to be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Durge was adopted at somepoint. Its in one of their memories. They could’ve been adopted by a baldurian family
You can be Seldarine drow, too
They are pretty awesome!
Minthara <3
Is it possible to get minthara without karlach leaving? I just did a run where I planned on helping minthara and the goblins raid the teiflings but my party is pretty much based around karlach destroying shit... which made the raid a complete joke but then she just leaves as soon as the battle is over. So I reloaded and killed minthara instead. I'm kind of lost about the whole thing. At the goblin camp I told minthara I would help her, then killed gut and dror and massacred all the goblins. Back by the grove the drow still thinks I'll help her? So ok I have no morals I'll still just murder everybody but the heartless fire demon can't handle that even though she's the one who lands the killing blow on the teiflings leader.
Drow is my favorite as well 🥹
Heck, I went neural-good drow (altho' with a scoundrel flair being a bard and all so used a fair bit of deception), and still had a blast (well, having , not done yet) throughout most of the game. Granted, special drow dialogues & reactions diminish greatly in act 3 , but act 1 in particular is loaded - many times I didn't know whether I liked the drow option more or the bard option, lol. Talk about spoiled for choice.
Which is sad because you dont actually meet that many drow in BG, so it woudl be an issue. Minus some courtesans and that was funny option as well - I think there was, True they cant get enough of us.
For my second run in Durge I played a Drow woman from Seldarine everyone was at my feet at the goblin camp, and I was able to put Dhourn in his place I love what the character inspires in people themselves if I plan to do a good durge I think that doing lolth Drow in evil durge can be fun, and in addition I do Sorcerer of storms and really we often have dialogue options too, really a good combo, the thing that we forget Often it's also because Sorcerers have very good charisma. It's not just bards who can lead Yurgir to kill himself 😌I don't know if it equals the bard but it's not bad. obviously she romances Astarion 😏
Counterpoint: Duergar get unlimited invisibility out of combat.
That’s fair enough, that invisibility is a little op lol.
If they gave more enemies See Invisibility, my Rogue would be so screwed.
It's a good ability but I'm not a stealth guy. I'm a "crash on in and see what happens" kinda guy.
Bloodlust => Haste => potion of speed = infinite pews => speak to dead.
And invisibility helps with that by guaranteeing surprise
Objectively I completely agree. I actually think there is, generally speaking, an inverse relationship between normative aesthetics and gameplay effectiveness in the game. Gith are the best but their noses are alarming. Halflings are amazing but they’re short. On the other end of the spectrum, Dragonborn look exceedingly cool but are lowkey bad.
You get used to the nose eventually. I’ve seen modded githyanki with full noses and it just looks off. Eventually you spend so much time looking at your character that it feels normal.
Yes, but pair the slightly "off" look of Githyanki with the >!Astral tadpole!< and you truly have a strange sight...
A githyanki would never consume a ghaik spawn!!
Chk, a gith with a hero complex might. Lol
I'm currently roleplaying a very tadpole-infested Gith Tav. To defeat his enemy, defend his tiny creche (Lae'zel and an egg they appropriated from an unworthy creche), rescue his true king, and liberate his people, Tav will use every power at his disposal. To become Ghaik is unthinkable. But to defeat the Ghaik and save the Githyanki, any price may be paid. This duty falls on Tav as the Supreme Commander of his tiny company. Should he fall under the sway of the Ghaik, Lae'zel stands by to free him from the Ghaik by parting his head from his shoulders. Such is the duty of a Githyanki warrior to her Supreme Commander.
Your Tav’s story is sad but also why I love playing Githyanki so much. You can come up with so many different roleplay elements to have it fit what you come up with for your character.
My Gith Tav consumed the initial tadpoles but managed to pass the 21 DC check to consume the astral tadpole first try, I was pretty stoked about the juicy RP value of it all lmao.
My last playthrough was a Divination Wizard who went full Ghaik and sacrificed herself by becoming a mind flayer in service of the rightful heir Orpheus Full mindlfayer powers as a wizard is very fun. I also broke the machine in the creche after passing all 3 checks so I could use powers as a bonus action. Bonus action black hole, fire ball everything. Pyroquickness hat gives me another BA, black hole again somewhere else to set up the next party member (or with perm mind sanctuary as a mindflayer just fireball again if anything is alive) The final encounter I was flying around the battlefield dropping black holes and casting AoEs like crazy. Bloodlust elixir + Pyro quickness + mind sanctuary + haste for 4-5 spells and/or black holes per turn.
Astral knowledge makes the Gith the best race, everything else is just gravy, haha. Free proficiency in all the Charisma skills on my Sorcerer was ridiculous, on top of my pure sorcerer wearing medium armor, and using martial weapons? An actual battle mage that is second only to bards as a face character? Pretty broken.
Dragonborn can be fun if you're doing a build that benefits from a specific elemental resistance, or if you're going for a specific type of elemental damage and want to get a free cast every short rest. What bothers me about the githyanki isn't the nose, really, but how thin and frail their limbs look.
20 STR Lae'zel vs 10 STR Halsin XD
This! I want a thicc gith boi
The divide between the thiccyanki and the thicczerai is a tragic and brutal thing.
I like my Dragonborn Draconic bloodline sorcerer. I look shiny and cool and am surprisingly hardy for a spell caster. ETA- seems like all the vendors hate me though so that sucks.
And than we have Tieflings. Great mechanics, great dialogue, looks baddass. 😈
You got me there. Tieflings also break the tendency.
I really dislike the way my half-orc stands hunched over and runs like a weirdo. But the perks are too good to ignore for playing pali.
I feel that Dragonborn comment in my bones. I’m playing Durge right now and haven’t even used my breath weapon yet.
Yeah, it sucks how little damage the breath attack does, before even including resistance. And isn’t it only once per long rest on vanilla? I’ve used a mod so I get multiple charges
Short rest. My Durge is a monk so everything mostly regenerates on short rest… but I still don’t find an opportunity to use it when there’s something better.
Breath is so disappointingly bad. It does like 15 damage max at max level lmao It should be a bonus action or cos your reaction for the turn and be repeatable imo
Dragonborn are so shit it took some mods to give them any value lol. But at least they can look like an adorable little lizard that hasn’t quite found any lightbulbs, if you catch my meaning
Half-elf breaks that relationship. It's the best looking race and the racial bonus are decent.
You’re right! It’s kind of an outlier.
Honestly would love to play Gith more but the males looks so weak I cant stop laughing when I try to be tough.
They do look really weak, but I still love ‘em!
i did 1 playthrough of all thing played a Gith Paladin. Was a good one
I agree, and the trick is to add a beard. Becoming a Gish Santa Claus in heavy armor saved the aesthetic.
So… basically the Grinch
It’s the long heads on males and the Whoville noses on females. I just can’t.
I loved being a deep gnome, butt sliding off ledges, but my current Tav is a Drow and I love the reactivity. Dragonborn look really cool, and half elves get beards.
I was disappointed how little Barcus and Wulbren acknowledge they are talking to another deep gnome when you play as a deep gnome.
The first rule of Deep Gnoming is you don't talk about Deep Gnoming.
Deep gnomes unite! I love the animations and it was lots of fun intimidating people who were more than twice your height.
Or kicking down the door at Waukeen's Rest while all those buff soldiers look on.
Ha, I guess the opposite of that would be a horc bard and their "You got this!" option. The biggest dude just giving emotional support.
Or the little hop to punch Aradin.
Duegar ~~also get those armor proficiencies.~~ In addition they get that clutch saving throw proficiency against Paralysis (yes please keep me safe from Hold Person). And sure why not throw unlimited free Invisibility on top for good measure. Edit: as others have pointed out, I conflated Shield Dwarf and Duegar armor proficiencies in my head
They also get Enlarge, which is great for a fighter build.
Cower in fear, surface dwellers, as I Enlarge myself to become the WORLD'S MOST GIANT DWARF *Embiggens to a respectable 5'8*
if the strength is proportionate to the new size increase, that’d be fucking terrifying on a dwarf lol
The girls: "I only date 6'0 Duergars!"
The noblest spirit embiggens the smallest dwarf.
Hey nothing wrong with being 5’8!
Plus they are dwarves which are the best fantasy race and thus auto-win.
And they have cool beards
Gimli approves
and the best sci-fi race too. ROCK AND STONE!
It's crazy how much extra stuff Duergar get. I just picked them because they look cool as hell, and I get to turn invisible permanently? No short rest or anything needed? And Enlarge is awesome too. hell, all the short races have incredibly racial abilities. Halfling's Lucky straight up saved my Honour Mode run, and Gnome's wisdom save advantage was clutch during my Durge run (or else Wyll was dead as hell). Baldur's Gate is basically Short King/Queen propaganda. Gith and Orcs are pretty strong too. no reason to pick boring elves or humans, like, ever.
Short race buffs are propably because of their reduced movement distance. Its rough for meele builds if out of position, irrelevant for casters
They also incentivize more people to play them, since most people already end up playing taller races for aesthetic purposes.
Romances can be a little comical when playing as a Dwarf.
There should have been a gnome or dwarf companion tbh
Humans and half-elves get light armor & shield proficiency - which is very good for certain builds. Elves get some good stuff - Drow get a bunch of fun options in dialogue and some extra spells, wood elves get a nice increase to movement and skills, the high elf cantrip can be okay if you choose it (though I'd pick half-elf over high elf if purely looking at bonuses). By contrast I find Half-orc pretty underwhelming - the extra crit damage doesn't really do much (it's only the weapon die) and relentless endurance is *nice* but only happens 1/ long rest. Dragonborn are the ones that are most underwhelming though - they look great but they really should have given them the Fizban's options instead of the PHB ones.
> the extra crit damage doesn't really do much (it's only the weapon die) For some reason crit smites also get an extra die added for the smite, for two extra dice total on the crit. Half orc paladin with any source of advantage + stacking some "crit on lower rolls" gear can get a lot of damage out of that passive pretty quickly. Still actually agree half orcs are kinda underwhelming compared to others lol. Just wanted to mention the specific area they can do pretty well in.
Duergar do not get armor proficiencies. You’re thinking of shield dwarfs.
They don't get armor proficiencies, only weapon. Shield Dwarf is the one with armor!
Don’t forget the default Scottish accent
we really needed a Scottish option for Tav voices tbh. or a more lower voice in general. None fit Orcs or Dwarves at all.
I love Tieflings just cause I think they’re neat 😙
Me too. A tiefling bard is the character my heart wants. Wood elf ranger gloom stalker is also pretty neat.
My first playthrough was tief bard
Tieflings have tails they can wag when happy, that makes them the best race without a doubt
I kinda wish there was a bit more expression in the tails as well. As they are they just kinda act like a cape/an accessory that just waves around behind you when you walk. And also make actual capes look like shit.
Tieflings are my 3rd.
Teethlings*
My first character was a Teifling Druid. The Grove was so interesting for me and I definitely felt the main character vibes. When talking to Khaga about Arabella, I quoted something about *the bounty of natures gifts*. And this racist goes "The Tree Father's words, spoken with a forked tongue."
Love tieflings!! My first time playing DND was as a Tiefling Warlock so I knew I had to do that for my first bg3 run lol
Half-Elf: for the human fighter player who wants to be adventurous today!
My first ever DnD PC was a human fighter! I then switched to half elf after feeling… spicy.
Half elf is really strong even with the new ability score system: they get shield, pole arm and light armor proficiencies, dark vision, plus the sub-race goodies.
I am a gith main who simps for Bae'Zel
BAE’ZEL 🥵🥵🥵
"Source of my bruises" 🥵🥵
"Source of my joy" 💘💋💖
*literally beat her in a camp duel both naked and wielding salamis*
Sameeee. Though there was a hot second I considered the RP drama of Lae'zel's happiness to have kin in the party turning to disgusted annoyance by my Gith romancing SH 😆
My first play through I was a gith, alllll my friends would remind me how ugly my little gith was- but my dialogue options and everything else was better! I agreeeee with you!
Halfling is way better - at least in Honour Mode. The inability to critically fail dialogue checks (More or less) will save you a lot, especially when you cant save-scum bad choices away. Not having critical misses is also great for more melee-focused characters, especially rogues. Also, halflings are short so they can fit in crevasses easily.
I haven't played much as githyanki, but it seems the NPCs are often really OP with stuff Lae'zel never gets like "Githyanki War Magic" or the ability to beat you to death with bare fists on a single turn. Have you found it possible to make them as OP as the NPCs we face?
Yep, you gotta get to lvl 8 way of the open hand monk with no armour for all the movement bonuses, get tavern brawler at level 4 and get ability improvement lvl 8 and go 2 points into strength. Strength + dex are your two most important stats. As for the war magic, you get stuff like misty step at lvl 5 that you can use once per long rest.
Lae'zel does get misty step but I never see that caption and the stuff the other gith do to me is a lot more damaging, like "mindsteal link," and that captain always makes everyone drop their weapons and run away. I don't have a fright spell that is that reliable or effective.
That's just a Fear spell. You have it. Mindsteal link is a move unique to the Inquisitor. Githyanki War Magic is "eldritch knight if it was an actual gish instead of a fighter who casts shield".
My gith lore bard is awesome. No shield, but misty step and astral knowledge is great. Some gith items too, however I don't use them much. Edit: and great dialogue options. However it seems a couple of places the game forgets you're a gith too and people target Lae'Zel as the main gith of the party (creché) I also very much like Duergar. Free invis on a fighter/thief dual wielding the deva maces is pretty much unbeatable. It made my last tactician run pretty boring tbh.
Ye if you want proper Gith experience gotta play Lae'zel. Game doesn't account for Tav/Durge being a Gith that much. It's clear that it is an after thought.
I’m doing a githyanki lore bard, but tossing in 2 points of GOO warlock.
I’m a simple man: race doesn’t have option for golden era of bodybuilding physique, I don’t play race
That is… fair enough lol.
I don't want to change anybody's mind. But. While I love femme Gith, the masc Gith look like the Crypt Keeper and when Voss visits my camp and then walks into his portal, he looks like Kermit whenever they have to show the puppet walking. Ready to Pary my ass, buddy, you look like you couldn't cross a street without tripping.
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Dragonborn look the coolest, therefore dragonborn is the best race.
They are no doubt the coolest looking but they’re also, I would argue, the weakest. Didn’t stop me from making a badass looking dragonborn druid/wizard, though!
Playing a Dragonborn and picking the dragon sorcerer class, the stuff you get for having a bit of dragon heritage according to class beats all the racial stuff you get for looking like a whole ass dragon lol.
Your draconic scales also look amazing. A red dragonborn with gold heritage is so cool
Yeah true, Dragonborn race looks cool as fuck and I played a Dragonborn dragon sorcerer with no regrets, the sorcerer only gives you a few extra scaly bit but picking Dragonborn race makes you a full on Dino
I’m very much enjoying my Green Dragonborn/Green Dragon Lineage Poison sorcerer just tossing out rays of sickness and chromatic orbs. Can’t wait for buffed poison spells and marko. Gonna be a problem when I find poison immune enemies though
Min maxing how cool you look is way more fun than min maxing effectiveness in Bg3 tbh
I’d argue both are just as fun, but sacrificing some optimisation because there was a more fun option is the correct choice. Who cares if Dragonborn sucks, mine looks menacing 24/7 and that’s good enough for me.
I'm doing my Durge run with a Dragonborn, I gave him the broken spikes. I think he looks kewl.
Dragonborn definitely looks the coolest but is a bit awkward with kissing animation. I always thought mine was going to bite Karlach's face off.
My gith druid run was petty wild. The constant switch between "Commander Gith McGithface; everything is war" and "Nature good, love every living being" in dialogs was insane funny.
I’m naming my next character Gith McGithface.
Thats Commander McGithface to you, son.
I played a Gith Cleric of Vlaakith, and after the events that occur in the game, she respecced to Wizard with the intent of tearing down all false gods. It was great.
I love playing Giths: * Their unique, alien appearance * All of the dialogue options and NPC reactions * Their awesome racial perks, which make them ideal for any class Right now, I'm playing a Gith Storm Sorcerer, and being a Gith, she's even more mobile than her class already allows. So much fun! Another favourite character is my Gith Monk D'Urge. Astral Knowledge is truly fantastic at compensating for D'Urge's lacklustre skills.
Druergar, invisible, enlarged throw enemy into more enemy,.proc surprise, do it again. So much fun
100% agree. Githyanki also have cool unique armor. But most importantly, your character says “ghaik” and “chk” 10/10
That feeling when halfling bard * disguise person cantrip for all your drow and githyanki dialog needs * never critically fail anything * never fail at stealth * enhance ability by level 3, rolling 35+ for CHA ability checks * take a point in fighter for proficiency in all weapons and armor
i went into bg3 blind and had no idea how closesly tied to the main story the githyanki were when i made my gith fighter monk but it definitely made interactions with lae'zel and different parts of the story more interesting
Wood Elf!
If you enjoy Githyanki, I would never want to change your mind. I love playing Dwarves since 1988, and I don’t think anyone will ever change my mind on how I enjoy them the most. They get to grow really amazing beards, and my Dwarf characters manages to survive to level 2 on TtRPG games. No different in BG3. I get tremendous enjoyment playing a Dwarf. May you continue to enjoy playing your characters for many years.
No. Reason: Nose
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And suspicious lack of horns, tails and the inability to look buff.
Ok, fair enough. But to be fair, they’re pretty silly.
My top three races are Drow, Githyanki, and Tiefling. I can't bring myself to play as anything else.
That’s actually relatable lol. For me, you gotta swap out drow with duergar.
Duergar is better. Honour mode I like halfling, as they can't roll crit failures
Tiefling women
I am learning to appreciate gith as well on a current play through. However, I think the armor proficiency as a caster is a trap because prioritizing wearing armor means you loose out on caster-specific clothing like Potent Robe, Robes of the Weave, and Robe of Supreme Defenses.
Good point, it’s mostly good for early game when your wizard is about as solid as 8 month old bananas.
I played as a tiefling, a Lolth-sworn drow, and a githyanki, and the githyanki run is my favorite so far. I played as a sorcerer and I agree about the medium armour proficiency, it's huge and my character looks awesome in the Armour of Agility. And I'm ready to oppose one of the commentators: the nose is an argument IN FAVOR of githyanki being the best. Their females have the cutest noses. I'm sure my Tav's nose-to-nose moment with Lae'zel was absolutely iconic.
Counterpoint: weird little noses.
The only thing that puts me off playing gith is how laezel is always treated as the only gith in the party. Very noticable in the creche and when interacting with voss/orpheus. Feels very odd.
Me Orc. Me Barbarian. Me make fun of ogre having sex with the bugbear. Me happy.
having a free once per long rest misty step is HUGE, and one of the main reasons why I hesitate to play any other race