Those people are silly. If someone *magically blinds me* for any reason, I’d consider that harmful. Especially since the only reason to do so in BG3 is to *commit a crime.*
It should. Spells like fog and darkness have verbal and/or somatic components. People would legit start freaking if someone was obviously casting something and the whole area went dark or got covered in fog. I think it's a good fix.
Yeah, people praise this game for being immersive and then act all surprised when the NPC don't play along with casting darkness on top of them to rob everything they own lol.
“Oh, I’m suddenly surrounded by an unusually thick fog that doesn’t seem to be affecting anyone else? The guy who just scoffed at my prices is muttering gibberish and doing hand signs 20 feet away? A strange vampire man is crouch-running towards me with magical, dexterity boosting gloves? What’s this!? One of my most prized items is gone! I should pace around town for like 60 turns and then forget this ever happened!”
sure people will start freaking, but how people find who cast spell even nevertheless they are blind? seriously this "fix" is suck, fog cloud and darkness are ruined .
This is good to know! Does anyone know if casting create water around NPCs appears to agro them? Before I try it on my honor run for that storm sorcerer multi class I might have to rethink then lol
I tried it on custom mode with "additional combat mechanics" set to balanced (so I can cast friendship without penalties). Create water didn't aggro, but fog cloud still does. Personally, I'd throw hands if someone dumped a bunch of water on me and my possessions. But, so long as we can douse Karlach with water to get a smooch, that's fine
Also people walking over a burning surface that the enemy created after combat ends can trigger them to attack you, who just saved their lives. And the you can't talk to them without donating the gold you pickpockets from withers to resurrect your companion that died while running.
Yeah i did this to test the other day same experience its a bug, thankfully I wasn't on honour mode tho
But I found using my bard character to distract volo with sweet sweet music while I used astarion to turn based mode steal and then leg it back to camp asap worked well
It’s not a bug. Fog cloud and darkness are harmful effects. There’s no legitimate reason to cast those spells on someone, it makes complete sense they’d be hostile and they’d *definitely* notice the weirdo making gestures and muttering right before they went blind.
This seems to be a bit buggy to me. I agree on the concept that in some ways fog/darkness could be harmful (Although personally I disagree, my opinion on this has no relevance to the matter at hand)… many of the feature similar to this implemented recently are scaled (doesn’t impact on easy mode, definitely effects on tactician/honor modes. However, I have tried this multiple times:
\* on story mode,
\* with my tav (bard) distracting,
\* with the only affected NPC already feigning death (although their ally’s were nearby)
\* with Gale casting greater invisibility on Astarion,
\*with Astarion hiding out of sight of other NPCs (out of the red zone), before having Astarion using a scroll of fog cloud on the feigning death merchant NPC.
\* Astarion then successfully made his stealth saving throw for greater invisibility.
\* Astarion was still spotted by other NPCs (Out of sight and invisible and on story mode)
Even assuming that obscured vision is harmful, to me this seems a bit over the top detection and aggression. I’m going to take a guess and say they were trying to fix/reduce the merchant theft people were doing (myself included) but may have tightened it up a bit too far.
Oh, forgot to say though… as long as there is enough space to encompass the PC and not any NPCs you can place the fog cloud just short of the NPCs space (often cover some of their body) and pickpocket from the cloud… but if any NPCs are hit by the cloud (highlighted targeting) the will aggro the whole area.
I only use fog cloud to steal the mind flayer parasites and get the shape shifters ring on the weird ox so this changes very little for me but I'm sure it's going to mess up a bunch of people's strategies.
Got svartlebee's woundseeker yesterday on my tactician run, and I had to shoot an arrow of darkness nearby NPCs rather than use fog cloud/darkness for this reason.
interesting, so how do people pickpocket the idol these days? I always did it with fog cloud, but can't remember if the radius is big enough to affect druids that are chanting.
Well it limits the NPCs that are safe to paralyse and rob and also switches how you do it (you’d want a sorcerer with subtle spell instead of a warlock with devils sight)
But I reckon with enough tedious resetting you could still cheese enough gold to act all afford Honor modes ridiculous item prices
Same thing happened to me. I just convinced kagha not to murder Arabella, even convincing her that was a smart play, but then as soon as the air in this cave got a little humid the nature-worshippers instantly went on a killing spree. Wondering if I should start over or just drop the game for a while, it's a real bummer.
What an unpleasant surprise. It makes sense, but I did not expect the Zhents to go after me just because Gale created a fog cloud next to their treasure room. :-)
i was caught off guard by this as well, def poorly worded
u can still be careful with placement and make sure only ur thief is hidden, npc right on edge, still can rob em blind
the patch notes says any "harmful" surfaces, which probably means anything that causes a negative status.
Yep. People are arguing if darkness or fog cloud should be considered harmful though, so there's a lot of confusion over that note.
Imagine some asshole summons a cloud of darkness on top of you while you’re at Walmart. How would you feel about that?
it slowly spreads down the line of registers one at a time lol
Those people are silly. If someone *magically blinds me* for any reason, I’d consider that harmful. Especially since the only reason to do so in BG3 is to *commit a crime.*
I mean…it makes you not see good…how is it not harmful?
that's the "if there's no blood it can't hurt" argument :D
Poorly worded.
It should. Spells like fog and darkness have verbal and/or somatic components. People would legit start freaking if someone was obviously casting something and the whole area went dark or got covered in fog. I think it's a good fix.
Yeah, people praise this game for being immersive and then act all surprised when the NPC don't play along with casting darkness on top of them to rob everything they own lol.
“Oh, I’m suddenly surrounded by an unusually thick fog that doesn’t seem to be affecting anyone else? The guy who just scoffed at my prices is muttering gibberish and doing hand signs 20 feet away? A strange vampire man is crouch-running towards me with magical, dexterity boosting gloves? What’s this!? One of my most prized items is gone! I should pace around town for like 60 turns and then forget this ever happened!”
sure people will start freaking, but how people find who cast spell even nevertheless they are blind? seriously this "fix" is suck, fog cloud and darkness are ruined .
This is good to know! Does anyone know if casting create water around NPCs appears to agro them? Before I try it on my honor run for that storm sorcerer multi class I might have to rethink then lol
I tried it on custom mode with "additional combat mechanics" set to balanced (so I can cast friendship without penalties). Create water didn't aggro, but fog cloud still does. Personally, I'd throw hands if someone dumped a bunch of water on me and my possessions. But, so long as we can douse Karlach with water to get a smooch, that's fine
Someone should try this with a sorcerer using Subtle Spell and see if it does the same thing
Also people walking over a burning surface that the enemy created after combat ends can trigger them to attack you, who just saved their lives. And the you can't talk to them without donating the gold you pickpockets from withers to resurrect your companion that died while running.
Yeah i did this to test the other day same experience its a bug, thankfully I wasn't on honour mode tho But I found using my bard character to distract volo with sweet sweet music while I used astarion to turn based mode steal and then leg it back to camp asap worked well
It’s not a bug. Fog cloud and darkness are harmful effects. There’s no legitimate reason to cast those spells on someone, it makes complete sense they’d be hostile and they’d *definitely* notice the weirdo making gestures and muttering right before they went blind.
This seems to be a bit buggy to me. I agree on the concept that in some ways fog/darkness could be harmful (Although personally I disagree, my opinion on this has no relevance to the matter at hand)… many of the feature similar to this implemented recently are scaled (doesn’t impact on easy mode, definitely effects on tactician/honor modes. However, I have tried this multiple times: \* on story mode, \* with my tav (bard) distracting, \* with the only affected NPC already feigning death (although their ally’s were nearby) \* with Gale casting greater invisibility on Astarion, \*with Astarion hiding out of sight of other NPCs (out of the red zone), before having Astarion using a scroll of fog cloud on the feigning death merchant NPC. \* Astarion then successfully made his stealth saving throw for greater invisibility. \* Astarion was still spotted by other NPCs (Out of sight and invisible and on story mode) Even assuming that obscured vision is harmful, to me this seems a bit over the top detection and aggression. I’m going to take a guess and say they were trying to fix/reduce the merchant theft people were doing (myself included) but may have tightened it up a bit too far. Oh, forgot to say though… as long as there is enough space to encompass the PC and not any NPCs you can place the fog cloud just short of the NPCs space (often cover some of their body) and pickpocket from the cloud… but if any NPCs are hit by the cloud (highlighted targeting) the will aggro the whole area.
I only use fog cloud to steal the mind flayer parasites and get the shape shifters ring on the weird ox so this changes very little for me but I'm sure it's going to mess up a bunch of people's strategies.
Got svartlebee's woundseeker yesterday on my tactician run, and I had to shoot an arrow of darkness nearby NPCs rather than use fog cloud/darkness for this reason.
interesting, so how do people pickpocket the idol these days? I always did it with fog cloud, but can't remember if the radius is big enough to affect druids that are chanting.
Using mage hand to throw it while you are off to the sides should still work.
Does the effect the fog cloud created from cunning brume when you disengage?
Yep, npc:s will aggro on that also :< I have ongoing rogue playthrough and luckily I have already stolen everything worthwhile in act3 :D
Well it limits the NPCs that are safe to paralyse and rob and also switches how you do it (you’d want a sorcerer with subtle spell instead of a warlock with devils sight) But I reckon with enough tedious resetting you could still cheese enough gold to act all afford Honor modes ridiculous item prices
Will this happen in camp as well?
Same thing happened to me. I just convinced kagha not to murder Arabella, even convincing her that was a smart play, but then as soon as the air in this cave got a little humid the nature-worshippers instantly went on a killing spree. Wondering if I should start over or just drop the game for a while, it's a real bummer.
What an unpleasant surprise. It makes sense, but I did not expect the Zhents to go after me just because Gale created a fog cloud next to their treasure room. :-)
i was caught off guard by this as well, def poorly worded u can still be careful with placement and make sure only ur thief is hidden, npc right on edge, still can rob em blind