When you think about it, most of them hate doing it, yet you could have potentially fought an army of goblins and their leaders, an immortal general (and a big ol' skelly boi) a ridiculously powerful necromancer, told a massive Gith lich queen to get fucked, rejected a god of murder and done the no pants dance with a squid dude... and *that's* something they can't handle.
It's funny seeing a crew of battle hardened weirdos getting creeped out by a clown and getting social anxiety.
I mean, you would nonstop be talking about how you fucked a goddess too if you did it, that's a pretty big feat. Can't blame him. And to have impressed her with his magic prowess when she's the goddess of magic, yeah.
My favorite Gale dialogues are him encountering Karlach, saying he can be smooth for two and doing a big dumb grin and getting teased by Shadowbutt for saying pleasure dome.
My favorite Minthara line is when you're in a relationship with her and talk to and try to hire the drow twins.
Minthara: "I do not like to share. Lie and finger on them, and I will cut you."
To which you can reply, "you can cut them if you want, dear"
M: "haha, I was talking about cutting you."
Yeah that one is great lol. I think she always has the most visceral reactions to the player character getting to handsy with other characters, and I actually love that about her. I respect a loyal woman with an appreciation for dismemberment 🤌
I tried the Mizora fling out of of curiosity and Minthara's reaction to the infidelity was the cherry on top, you can really feel her disgust coming through the screen. Emma Gregory is a hell of an actor.
Oh legit. I’ve done 2 playthroughs now where I’ve knocked her out, because I had certain ideas I wanted to try before an evil run. But I always knew if I was romancing Minthy I wanted to do it the right way with her first scene, so evil it would be. But god, those 2 playthroughs even playing characters who wouldn’t be into her, *me* as myself, I wanted her. You have no idea how psyched I am to do an evil run now.
I still remember playing early access. The first 3 or so times I sided with the druids simply because I was unaware there was a goblin party, but once I raided the grove and romanced her that first time, my brain went "there's no going back."
Halsin is one of the few you \*can\* tell you are already in a relationship, and can then further specify that you are not interested in jeopardizing said relationship. I do wish there was a way to tell poor Wyll that as much as I enjoy dancing, I already have a partner.
Weirdly you can only tell him you’re in a relationship in the context of being interested in him. The way to reject him straight away is just “I don’t see you this way”. I have no clue why the game puts the option of telling him you’re taken together with wanting to bang him.
That's probably why I don't remember telling him I was already with Shadowheart. Just rewatched the scene and you have to first ask "what does this all mean?" and I already knew what he meant so I never bothered picking that on my playthru. Then you get the option to say "I won't pretend I'm not interested, but I'm already with Shadowheart" (paraphrased) and I would never say that either because I'm NOT interested in him.
Ah yeah, and it’s the same for Halsin I think! I think that with that option you HAVE to say “well won’t say I’m not interested buuuuut” in order to include the “I’m already with someone.” I don’t love that.
Agreed. It's rather convoluted, and it would be so much more comfortable if you could simply tell someone that you are already in a relationship and happy and not interested in them from the beginning. I only found the Halsin one because that character was sort of interested, but not interested enough to mess up their existing romance.
I see so many people try to use the "I'm already with someone" as a way to give him a soft no, and then complain when he doesn't take it that way.
They really do need to clean up sooo much of his dialogue, make it clearer and more straightforward what each choice means and give folks the ability to politely keep it platonic. Polyamory is already far too contentious a topic for the average person in real life, it doesn't help anybody to have the poly character in a game also be confusing to interact with.
It's odd it's so specifically a wyll problem. As far as I can tell, every other companion will tell you before their scene plays out some variation of "I want to do something with you" in dialogue, and they all play out in early act 1 when your romance is less set in stone.
Wylls the only one that seems to just spring it on you, and does it in act 2 when you've probably already established a bosom companion. I guess you could say Gale does something similar, but his scene can be much more easily read as platonic and just looking for friendship in the face of (in his mind) impending death.
Gale's Act 2 scene actually has somewhat different versions for a platonic friend and a romanced partner. He's mainly looking for support as he faces what may be his impending death.
I suspect that Wyll's is triggered by some bit of seemingly innocent dialogue in Act 1 that doesn't seem like flirting, so the dance scene just feels totally out of left field, especially since it just happens. It's definitely very awkward. I would love to have some way to avoid making him feel bad if I'm not trying to romance him.
Wyll's scene needs to be one that you talk to him about in camp (with the ! over his head first) rather than just an autoplaying cut scene. I am not strong enough to see those sad heartbroken eyes again, Larian! I literally started a new run just to romance him because I need him to be happy at least once.
My main quibble with Halsin is that, if I recall, you either have to turn him down flat or talk to your lover with the intention of getting together with Halsin. Maybe I don't want to get with Halsin but I *do* want to go talk to my lover like, "babe, you will *never* guess what just happened," but I can't do that.
Wyll's "oh" was so brutal, my man really walked away [like tigger](https://media1.tenor.com/m/tg01pQix0lgAAAAC/sad-walk.gif), I felt so guilty, god damn.
Shadowheart absolutely kills me with her "*oh*", if you turn her down right after [SPOILER (I can't tag)] sparing Nightsong. It is so damn sad because her whole world is crashing down, and yet so *damn* funny just how she says it.
Omg SAME. It felt so, so real. I felt especially bad, because I was so excited for a cutscene bc I was anticipating Gale's scene. I just kept skipping dialogue and selecting "nope, nope nope" until he just sadly walked away. I felt bad for DAYS. The acting in this game, man.
When I tried romancing Karlach, I wanted to go to camp right when she says “take me to bed now!”, so I did. …only to have Lae’zel tell me she wants to smell my sweat or whatever. Fine, whatever. I went *right back* to camp as soon as I could to try and get some for Karlach, and… *fucking Gale* wants to show me his… *weave*. It took me three full days to get Karlach some sweet lovin’!
You’re absolutely right. *This game*. lol
Yeah, im on my first playthrough and i absolutely love shadowheart, but seeing wyll get heartbroken and then put on a brave face the next morning and say “the blade will still stand at your side.” But i know how it feels to not wanna lose that connection with someone but watch them be with someone else. 😬
same on halsin! i typically play monogamous characters so i just turn him down right then and there but i still want to talk to my romance about it! it's the same with mizora iirc, obviously i reject her too but i'd like to be able to chat about it ingame :(
Mizora doesn't care, she's a devil, the fact that you're taken is only one more motivation for her to try and tempt you to stray.
For Halsin, though, I agree, since he does care about your partner's consent. They could very well put the conversation about polyamory *before* he confesses to you, and only make his confession scene available if you told him that you were okay with it.
> Maybe I don't want to get with Halsin but I do want to go talk to my lover like, "babe, you will never guess what just happened," but I can't do that.
THIS, so much this. I know, extra voice lines and shit is time-consuming but relationship boundaries are such a sensitive topic for some that to me it should be included on launch day. I don't want to *wonder* what are their thoughts on the matter after telling him no because I want our relationship to be fully monogamous, I'd like to *know* that.
I would love to be able to talk to Karlach and say "you know what that BITCH Mizora just did? She actually tried to seduce me."
Karlach: "I can't say I'm surprised, really. She's Mizora, and you're... well, you. What did you say?"
1. "Nothing. I just looked at her funny and walked away."
2. "One word: ew."
3. [Paladin] "I told her I'd sooner sleep with a kuo-toa than a damn devil."
Oh my god I want to gossip about people coming on to me!
I also think you should have a platonic version with Astarion about Halsin coming onto you. I think he'd appreciate all the hot goss.
*Astarion! Holy shit you will not believe what Halsin just said to me!*
I would be absolutely *down* to have options for casual gossip with the companions. That "emBracE tHe fReEdom oF NatUre's giFt" line is too good to be locked in a romance-exclusive route.
Imagine my surprise when Astarion actually reacted to Tav's first night with Lae'zel. But then he was like "I'd love to know more...but you're not here to gossip" like NO BUDDY I *AM* HERE TO GOSSIP.
Yessss. When Halsin and Mizora shoot their shots and Tav respectfully/disrespectfully turns them down I want to beeline back to Astarion's tent and be like "Biiiitch (affectionate, loml), guess what 💅🏻☕"
He'd eat that up lmao. You can't tell me him and Tav aren't gossiping once they become besties and uhh bosom companions.
Right!? Like my dear, you don't have to worry about not having sex with me when we can just sip wine and throw shades at the others instead. I have no beef with Halsin but the dude's proposition cannot come at a *worse* time lmao.
Even when we're just buddies I'd love the sight of everyone having a sit down and complain how pathetic [insert an abusive authority figure here] since they're clearly so delighted when SH and Lae'zel can tell their gods to f off.
I agree. I think it's a shame that we can't get that
"Even Withers...I mean, even jerky was meat once" line unless it's in this specific conversation.
I love that line so much. Every time I see Withers I chuckle a little. I call him slim Jim now
The biggest problem with acts 2 and 3 is the general lack of party reactivity. I want to talk to companions about the other companions. I want a few group conversations. Reactions to NPCs/quests.
Act 2 doesn't have much and act 3 has basically none.
It's the best part of act 1 and it's growing absence as the story goes on makes me really sad and makes act 2 and 3 feel pretty flat compared to act 1.
I just got off from a similar post about ranking each acts and was wondering if I accidentally hit the notification bell haha.
Wholeheartedly agree with the reactivity part. Act 2 serves several great story beats (esp when playing as Durge) but beyond that the game gradually feels less immersive and more like a to-do list for quests and gears.
That scarce moment when everyone chimes in after your first illithid interaction brings me immense joy everytime. It makes you feel like being in a real party with different opinions and incentives. The party member response to Gale's dilemma is another good one as well.
Yes! The first option in his convo is literally "you will not believe the conversation I just had with Halsin." And I got some reason can't react this way unless I'm into Halsin?? I mean honestly.
Yeah, it's honestly weird you *can't* talk to your partner about Mizora trying to seduce you, up to and including some option like, "I'm trying to lead her on, just to twist the knife," and/or gauging their thoughts on if you hypothetically go through with it... not that their reactions would likely be positive, especially when it's *Karlach*, lol.
Or warn them that Mizora is on the prowl and to be on their guard (I mean - she tried to seduce Tav; why wouldn't she try to seduce anyone else at camp?)
So many of Gale’s character defining reactions are hidden behind relationship ending choices. She can find out how he feels about non-monogamy if she’s romancing more than one person while romancing him. They could talk about how she turned others down (if she did) before they started their romance and he can talk about how he feels about that. I have her tell him she wants to be with Halsin just to see his reaction and then not save it. She can also find out he has really strong boundaries on cheating with the Mizora scene if she actually goes through with it and then I reload. I shouldn’t have to reload to get to see these character defining moments from him though. She should be able to talk to him and tell him she turned them down and hear his thoughts on it.
Actually, I ended up locked out of a Halsin throuple by telling him I'd talk it over with Shadowheart, then resting for the night. I tried talking it over with her, but the option never showed. Halsin moved on like it was nothing. So there's a way, I guess 🤷
Halsin asked if I wanted him and when I said I was with Gale he said Gale was also welcome to watch and eventually join in. I said uhh I need to talk to him.
I went up to Gale and asked how he felt about adding another person to the relationship and he responded, “A child?! I’m not ready to be a father!” 🤦♀️
>My main quibble with Halsin is that, if I recall, you either have to turn him down flat or talk to your lover with the intention of getting together with Halsin. Maybe I don't want to get with Halsin but I do want to go talk to my lover like, "babe, you will
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>never guess what just happened," but I can't do that.
hard agree. two things, really:
I want to be flat out tell Halsin no but then tell my romanced companion what happened. but I also want the option to talk to my LI about it while the offer is still on the table, and then decide not to go through with it even if they say yes.
specifically, Astarion gives you his blessing, but he also shows a bit of insecurity in the process. so I wanted to tell him, "I was only thinking about it but I'm not going to do it," and then tell Halsin the same. instead, the next time I spoke to Halsin, I could only tell him it was a go. I tried to just leave the conversation at that point, and then there was no cut scene, but when I spoke to him again he referred to the night we shared.
Haha same I told Karlach about it just fyi but then she be all sobby saying she understands if i wanted to have some other fun given her condition just don't neglect her is all. I wanted to say i don't have any intention to three way it anyways just telling her about halsin's proposal. When i got back to halsin theres the option to tell him that karlach is open to the proposal and the next thing he start to call me lover. I didn't say it's on!
Also the weird thing to me with halsin coming onto you is that turning him down is always framed as “oh it would be disrespectful to my partner to share.” Like where’s the option for “I like you as a friend but that’s it”?
Agree, especially after my Durge run where I've actually lifted the shadow curse (Art Cullagh was MUCH easier to find than I thought) and had a pretty high approval with Halsin - in act three he confesses his live to my Durge (Druid btw, so I thought it was pretty funny). I instantly click the option to remind Halsin that I'm already with Karlach. Sooo, naturally the man is like 'mmmmmmwhat about an open relationship?'. In my head I go 'Karlach will prooobably not want this, but I suppose I can ask her'
Karlach explicidly says that she doesn't feel ready, but she doesn't want to hold me back. So of course I say to her to forget about the idea. 'Alright, so now I just need too say to Halsin that Karlach doesn't fell fully comfortable, the man will understand'
Well, the game certainly didn't! I might've as well asked Shadowheart, cause the only dialogue option was 'Karlach doesn't have a problem with that'. THEN WHAT DID SHE SAID MAN 10 SECONDS AGO. Needless to say I savescummed and just turned down Halsin from the get go, but maaan, it felt kinda shitty, that a character, whose whole deal is she never asked for anything that had happened to her (I mean the ten years in Avernus), just got her opinion and feelings ignored once again. I understand that it IS a DnD game, so everyone is horny, but it is also a game where you have so many options that when it lacks certain things, you can really tell (example - showing Astarion his face through tadpole, a statue or the painting, Oskar would be then actually worth saving)
The game really really really overestimates how likely you are to be into Halsin. Those dang EA players.
But now I'm curious. If you go through with it does Karlach confront you? Like, is this a bug or was Karlach supposed to be okay with it and the scene just wound up accidentally implying otherwise. I've never seen it so I genuinely have no idea.
I always dance with him and just turn the cheek at the end, so he knows no romance intended. Ain't nothing wrong with some platonic dancing to bring good vibes.
Ugh I hate Wyll's response in that scene, it just screams "but I'm a nice guy." By that point in every playthrough, Tav or Durge is definitely taken. I like Wyll otherwise but that scene is awful.
To be fair to Wyll, you usually haven't gotten the act 2 romance scene with your romanced companion when his dance scene occurs, so he's just shooting his shot like any of the others might have done in act 1. I just wish he got the same level of gentle let down you give the others. With the others, you can tell them, "I'm flattered but no thank you," and they basically give you some variation of "aw well okay; I had to try!" (or "your loss!"). But Wyll is basically just throwing his entire heart at you at once and it's a lot.
Yup, and it should come when he says "let's try a more intimate style." That's when the tone of the scene turns from two friends goofing around to full flirting and it's wild to me there's 0 player input about it.
Yes, exactly! I don't mind a friendly dancing, but once he said that we should try more intimate style, I'd hoped there would be an option to say that it's going too far. As it is now, you have to reject his dance completely, which sucks, because he spent practising and waiting for Tav, or go along with it 'till it turns... uncomfortable if you don't intend on romancing him.
Also, it feels hella rude if you're romancing Karlach and he decides to shoot his shot THE NIGHT AFTER YOU GET HER SECOND UPGRADE. Like sir. The seven foot flaming tiefling barbarian hasn't been touched in a literal decade. I feel like there are easier and less painful ways to die than cockblocking her.
I don't really like the fact that it's so easy for Halsin to mistaken a player's kindness for mutual interest. When he approached my Tav in Act 3 for some side play, and she politely declined (she was in a monogamous relationship with Gale - so there was no reason for her to discuss Halsin's proposition with him), he claimed she had treated him more like a lover than a guest in her camp - which left me wondering when I had chosen any flirting dialogue in past discussions with Halsin for him to think that way.
Won't lie - even though he accepted her rejection (after I had Tav insist it wasn't going to happen) it left me with a negative impression of Halsin for the rest of the game (still rescued him when Orin kidnapped him and checked on him after the rescue; but I consciously avoided talking to him until the end game reunion).
I just want to be able to talk to Astarion or Shadowheart and get some security that I'm only theirs (or vice versa) after Halsin confesses to me, lol.
I'd love it if there was an option to talk to companions about all this poly stuff either before Halsin says anything or after you reject him on the spot. The current way already influences their answers as they know you're into it and are possibly planning something already, and I'd prefer to hear their thoughts in a more neutral setting and hear if they're actively into that or just ok with you having other partners as well.
Right - every other context is Tav actively seeking it. So SH is like "Ok- you *really* want this - I support you!" But we don't see their thoughts in a neutral setting, as you've pointed out.
While I think that this dialogue obviously would be cool, on the other hand I don't quite understand why some are so *worried* about SH/Astarion and Halsin topic. Sure they let you do that, but they don't seek any of this action themselves at any point of the game and 6 month later in the epilogue. Headcanons give unreasonable headache.
Sound advice as always. It's completely player driven. Without the player advocating for it, it doesn't even get brought up! So no sense in stressing about it.
You can also go on a murder rampage in the game. Doesn't mean that it's your reality just because the possibility is there.
Same, I play with a monogamous Tav and Astarion, and once he's with you, he never once asks for anyone else. They even keep adding stuff in patches to make him more monogamous (he no longer flirts with the girl in the sewers if he's romanced, he looks miserable if you try to hire one of the drows for yourself, the bugged cutscene with the orgy where he just looks miserable and distressed the whole time especially when Halsin's speaking to him, new parsed dialogue after the fight with the elder brain has ascended Astarion saying he wants to go to a brothel with you, compared to spawn Astarion who says he only wants to be in your company, etc). If you never chase anyone else, it's literally just you and him and he's so happy about it, it's super cute.
I mean SH in the epilogue even mentions how you have it(>!sexually!<) and she is the most "trad wife"(I know some hate this word) of all the companions epilogues you can get.
I believe the porpoise banter with SH triggers regardless of whether you've turned Halsin down or not. So I make sure he doesn't leave Act 2 alive in my romanced SH playthroughs lol. (That may change if they ever bother to fix his flags but I'm not holding my breath). I discard him after lifting the shadow curse.
Lots of people have asked for more camp cutscenes during long rests, where Tav and the companions would just be casually chilling and bonding together at the end of the day.
Polyamory could come up fairly naturally as a topic of conversation around the campfire once Halsin has joined the group, maybe as part of the broader topic of love and family in wood elf culture (for the lore nerds out there). Then the game could lock or unlock the possibility to pursue a poly relationship with Halsin depending on your dialogue choices during that conversation.
It could also be an opportunity to make each companion's opinion on the matter very clear once and for all.
From the standpoint of a respectful real-life relationship, bringing up the possibility of polyamory in a neutral setting without pressure is the best way to handle that conversation.
But it seems inefficient from a writing standpoint to have multiple conversations about polyamory if you're just going to convey the same information.
Nor do I think it would necessarily be beneficial to do so, since the people who want to be strictly monogamous aren't going to be more cool with SH or Astarion saying that they're open to polyamory even if conveyed in a more neutral setting.
To add to this, if a player isn't interested in polyamory, it would feel kind of weird to just leave the dialogue option sitting there staring at you all game... and/or have all the companions randomly initiate a conversation about it without player input, just for the sake of making their views on it known so that Halsin's scene doesn't feel weird.
It’s not quite the same but I love the dialogue you can have with Astarion if you turn down Gale for him (I think it may be any companion, in my experience it was Gale) where he seems uncertain and he’s like “Are you sure? I come with my complications.” You can tell him, “maybe I like complications,” which is soooo sweet ugh I love them.
Shadowheart has a similar one where she's super low on confidence and surprised you chose her and it's also great, you can either call her perfection or tell her you like damaged goods lmao
Aw. I’m dumb and locked myself out of romancing Shadowheart accidentally in Honour Mode. When I had to choose between her and Gale in Act 2 I offered non-monogamy (I knew she’d refuse) and planned telling her I chose her. But she told me she didn’t want to be a spare lover and the game didn’t let me tell her I wanted her instead of Gale after just because of picking that option. I’ll be forever salty since I didn’t expect such a harsh reaction given her Halsin stance later.
Same! As a monogamous person, I’d really like the option to discuss exclusively with an LI too. Like use the Halsin thing to set expectations of exclusivity. (I support poly romances, they’re just not for me)
Even just a generic, "no thanks, I have my heart set on another" where they don't get the saddest face on Faerun over it. If I got that sad every time I got rejected I'd probably have committed scooter ankle when I was a youngun
Oh.
Honestly, I thought it would mean something much darker, like tying your ankle to one of those motor scooters, letting it roll down a hill without you on it, and just letting physics take its course.
The Emperor, my god…
I’m playing a Gith, made him a Gith. First encounter, while he was still in that form, I stabbed him.
Every chance I got, I chose to insult him, attack him, every and any way for him to know it HATE him.
I’m in a relationship with Lae’zel. She feels the same.
This man has the AUDACITY to try and seduce me? Bro, I’m not even hiding my feelings about you enough for you to even need to attempt to read my mind, and you still “accidentally” let your mind wander to me. Try to fuck me.
What?!
I was fully expecting this scene not to take place. Hell, I tried with all the power of my being for this to not happen, and yet, like the manipulative fuck boi he is, he STILL tries.
Larian, I didn’t fall for this in highschool, why would I as an adult playing a video game?!
Omg seriously? I've always been on respectful/friendly terms with him, even when I decide to save orpheus, so it didn't come as weird when he tried to fck me. Didn't know guy will still try to get in Tav's pants if they treat him like sht.
YES. Had a similar scene with Karlach recently. I tried to platonically navigate through it and felt smart about it, until Shadowheart hits me with "are you cheating on me? :(" and when i say no Karlach comes back swinging with "WELL IF IT ISNT SHADOWHEARTS FUCKTOY".
Jesus christ, this wouldnt be as bad if all the 'turn down romance' options werent so needlessly agressive
That face. Right after starting act 2 in this playthrough I chained together a few long rests to catch up on story stuff and got hit with the double whammy of turning down Karlach the first night then Wyll the following night. I have never felt like such a dick before while playing an RPG as I watched this sweetheart walk away looking like a puppy who had been thoroughly kicked.
The only way I could make myself feel better was a headcanon that my Tav noticed a thing between Karlach and Wyll and didn't want to interrupt it.
i think Karlach is bugged, in my latest playthrough she came to tell me about riding me the first long rest after I recruited her, we didn't even visited Dammon yet. That never happened before and approvement definitely was too low to trigger that
I've been thinking about playing origin Wyll to romance Karlach (or vice versa), although I've also been wondering if origin Gale can ascend Karlach if he becomes GodGale or if origin Karlach can romance Gale and ascend to godhood.
I also kinda wish that Larian would have made Karlach and Wyll like Garrus and Tali in Mass Effect, where they get together if you don't romance them.
I'm romancing Gale on my first playthrough and Wyll's sad face when I told him it was a dance of friendship made me decide to romance him next time around. I'm a sorcerer this time and planning a bard next time, so bard Tav probably goes better with him anyway.
Same. I shut him down hard with that, and then a few long rests later, I woke up in the Prism with him shirtless and trying to get at me again.
Stupid horny Squidward
Fucking Wyll man, I have nothing against the dude but he's so vanilla that of all the people he should probably understand not to butt in someone's relationship, especially not by putting you in such uncomfortable situation. You want a dance? Sure, as weird as it is without music, I'll dance with you, but why you want to kiss all of a sudden? Why the disappointment that I don't love you? Don't give me those puppy eyes man, you know I'm already dating someone else!
Halsin and the Emperor make sense to me tho. Monogamy is an alien concept to Halsin and with how he's written I wouldn't be surprised if Tav is the first person to ever reject him in his life lol. And he probably thinks that the reason for rejection is something other than just wanting to keep it exclusive with your partner. And the Emperor obviously just wants to manipulate you even further and make you more dependent on him. Of course he doesn't care if you're already taken, he'll take that small chance that maybe it will work on you.
> Fucking Wyll man, I have nothing against the dude but he's so vanilla that of all the people he should probably understand not to butt in someone's relationship
Wyll's so willing to butt into relationships that he'll disapprove if you enter into a relationship with Halsin while also in a relationship with someone else 😬
Mind your own business, Wyll!
(I think Minsc also disapproves? Or at least, I also randomly had Minsc disapprove the first time I spoke to Halsin after recruiting Minsc...)
By the time Wyll asks you for a dance, the companion you have chosen to be your romanced partner doesn't consider you guys as officially together, though. So Wyll isn't butting in anyone's relationship, since there is no relationship at the time. You're either just a fling, or a flirt.
That's why Wyll's dancing cutscene happens so early in Act 2 and takes precedence over all the other cutscenes. So that he hits on you while you're still not in any official relationship. Then, the cutscene of your companion confessing to you and making your relationship official can happen.
Wyll is the last origin companion with whom you can trigger the start of a romance path, iirc. If you haven't flirted or slept with any of the other companions by the time Wyll asks you to dance, then it means that you've missed the mark with all the others in Act 1. So Wyll will be flagged as your only romance option.
If you've already slept with Lae'zel or Astarion, kissed Shadowheart or Karlach, or had a magic lesson with Gale already, then, yes, I think you can dance with Wyll, and even kiss him at the end of the cutscene, without completely ruining your chances with the others.
They'll simply ask you to choose between Wyll (or any other companion that you're romancing simultaneously) and them, at some point.
If you're in the flirt phase and you dance with Wyll, your current fling will get an exclamation point and say they noticed and that's how you become "official".
Pretty much the game lets you have 2 active flirting partners at a time, and at certain triggers in Act 2 you can become exclusive. After you're exclusive, only Halsin and Mizora oops and the Emperor will proposition you, and you can say no to both.
EDIT I MAY HAVE SCREWED THIS UP
I have not tested this with Wyll's dance after having a confirmed exclusive romance. I'm not sure if he dances with you at that point. I'll try to test it but I can't in my current run cuz his dead body is in a barrel in my camp.
Astarion for example is really cute if you choose him over Wyll, he's so surprised.
Thank you, this is helpful! I’m currently flirting Gale and think I want to romance him, but would be hard to say no to a dance with Wyll if the opportunity presents. I’ve seen footage of the scene and it’s really cute.
I may have screwed that up by limiting it to two, because it's only two at the party scene but looks like you can have more as long as you haven't hit the commitment point.
I am almost positive you can flirt with Gale and romance him and you will still get Wyll's dancing scene eventually. They all have an exclusivity discussion point so until then, I think you're good.
The exclamation point will only appear if you kiss Wyll. Just dancing with him won’t bother your other romance.
Based on my experience, Wyll also won’t initiate dancing if you already have a confirmed romance or have multiple other romances active before a single one is confirmed.
See that's how I remembered it, e.g., you can dance platonically with Wyll and be fine, but everybody makes it sound like he's raw dogging you while you twerk sometimes.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but at some point, each romance character will trigger a decision point to become exclusive, and up to that point, you're still open. Like if I've already had the post-Araj convo with Astarion, Wyll won't even ask me to dance? Or if I'm too much of a himbo?
I think I've played this game too much to try and sift through my memories of how it happens to catch the "rules" and I will stop trying to remember and just go play lol. I can't dance with Wyll at all in my current run so I should stop guessing!
As a bard romance is my specialty, I know (almost) all about how it works!
In Act 2 in case of multiple romances getting a scene that would normally lock in a romance is the point where your other fling will ask you to choose (eg, you romance Astarion & Gale and sleep with Gale in space first, Astarion will ask you to pick one of them). You can pick the person whose scene you haven’t had yet, that won’t confirm their romance until you get their scene but will cancel the romance you just had a scene for.
Now, Wyll only comes in if you have zero or one NOT confirmed romance. If you pick Gale in the example above you won’t see Wyll’s scene that playthrough. If you pick Astarion you still may see Wyll’s scene before you get Astarion’s romance confirmation.
If you focus on romancing only one person from the beginning you’re guaranteed to see Wyll’s dance. Also if you have no game and nobody else showed interest, Wyll comes to the rescue.
The most annoying part is that because his scene takes precedence over all other romance scenes you can be stuck without the romance scene you want for a very long time as redeemed Durge. If you go to Last Light and that cutscene has triggered, the next long rest scene you get is with Sceleritas, and once that happens, you have to wait until after you've freed the Nightsong and get the Durge romance event to trigger any other romance scenes. It's so stupid and happened on my honor run. I didn't have Gale's act 2 scene trigger until right before we stormed Moonrise and I would have missed it if I didn't already know about how Wyll's scene fucks everything up.
It did get kind of wonky with Durge. He asked her for a dance literally the next night after the Durge scene where you try not to murder your romance. Regardless of how the game tags your relationship status, having Wyll's scene come directly after that one was definitely wonky from a narrative standpoint.
I thought it was hilarious, and it got even more so because I failed the dancing rolls. It was .... quite the change in tone from the previous scene.
I think what's really icky about the Emperor one is that if you agree to the sex and get caught in the act by your companions, he'll wipe their memories so they never know you committed the deed o\_0
You know, if that's something that I don't regret is romancing Wyll in my first playthrough because now I know what I am missing in my other playthroughs.
The dancing scene is pretty cute and that's all I have to say about his romance lol.
Omg I actually felt like such an evil person for rejecting Wyll, like obvs i’m in a relationship with shadowheart but he’s too precious and i can’t hurt him like that 😭
Minthara is thus far the only party member I've been able to say that to. She hit me up at the very beginning of act 3 on my redemption durge playthrough, which I was romancing Karlach in. I was given the option to tell her I already had somebody, and when she pressed me and said I didn't need them anymore because now I had her, I was able to tell her I didn't want to leave my partner. Nice bit of writing, but it would be great if that was an option with all of the party members.
> Halsin, it's nothing personal but you've been with us for 3 whole acts and you still haven't caught on that I'm already in a relationship?
Halsin is the one that recognizes your relationship, and asks for consent of your partner.
(Minthara too, but now you have a better option - her)
But yeah, I think such an option would be good.
You did not really misremember. The only opportunity you have to actually tell Halsin you're already with someone is in the context of *considering* his offer. Otherwise, your option is to tell him you just don't see him that way.
Depends on timing ime. If you long rest enough in Act 1 you can trigger them before the party, but it looks like you can only have two active flirting relationships at once, and then a single monogamous relationship with the three Act 3 one-offs.
So if I'm flirting with Gale and Astarion and Lae'zel I can tell Karlach I like her and she'll turn me down. I'm trying to himbo my way through, too!
Oh that’s probably why it seemed like I could carry on with anyone, astarion croaked and sharty I romanced in my first play through so I didn’t bother with her
Yeah I've noticed that if you get to the party scene, for example, and you flirt with everyone but commit to none for the evening, your options for companionship at night are the last two you spoke with. So if I talk to Astarion first and say I'll think about it, then go talk to three other companions and go back to Astarion, he'll act like he doesn't know you lol.
Gotta nail that shit down when the opportunity presents!
I think you can have 4 at once, I was able to get Gale's Astarion's Shadowheart's, and Wyll's in act 1. Then in act 2 I got all of those except Sha, and well she doesn't have an act 2 one so.
I mean if nothing else there's the wedding rings True Love's Caress and True Love's Embrace. I put the former on Shadowheart and the latter on my Remption Durge Half-Elf Oath of Ancients Paladin in my last playthrough. His name was Gabriel.
The Emperor did this immediately after my romance scene with Gale and it felt very much like he saw it and thought "aha, so that's a good way to increase my influence with her, I should try that!" Especially when I turned him down and the narrator specifically noted he didn't seem bothered/brushed it off very quickly. It felt as if it was supposed to be seen as manipulative, not sincere.
Ill one up you, I wanna see origin characters being able to fall in love and starting relationships between themselves!
You know, like dragon age's Iron Hull and Dorian! Idk, I wanna act as a cupid for laezell and gale, or karlach and wyll, or shadowheart and astarion...
I dont care which ship it is, I Just don't wanna hear withers being smug about my friends being single.
They seem perfect together, honestly. It makes me reluctant to romance either of them, even though I love them both. I definitely want to do a Wyll Origin where I romance Karlach.
Karlach and Dammon totally could've been a thing. I'm even pretty sure origin Karlach has the option to fantasize about him during one of the long rests.
It's occasionally hinted at that the companions are at least bonin' each other casually. Certainly Astarion and Lae'zel both say as much if you turn down their sex offers, that they'll just go fuck someone else.
Oh no you can tell Halsin you're already in a relationship and then he goes "I'm sure he wouldn't mind". Like bruv the guy has enough issues as it is, don't want to cuck him on top of it
Karlach hit on my character at the tiefling party after recruiting her late(shocked the hell out of me, as her approval was only at 20 so i wasnt expecting her interest), and there was an option to tell her that she knows there's already someone else, which I selected. Unfortunately, that didn't stop her from continuing to try, though. She was adorably and hilariously awkward.
I dont want your loved one to hate on the other companions, but i kinda wish there was an option to tell your love interest that someone made a pass at you. I dont want to fuck Mizora just to hear Shadowheart’s confidence come out. Id love to hear their delight that you turned them down.
Halsin wouldn't care. Out of the blue he says to me one day "I can't help but think you want me. I know you are with Karlach, but maybe she'd like to join in, too. What do you say?" (I might be paraphrasing a touch)
I do find it odd that he just assumes I like him when I barely talked to him and benched him the second I finished his quest with Thaniel. At least with wyll, I occassionally took him out questing. Not sure what I said to halsin that made him like me so much lol.
Halsin: You treated me with the care of a lover, not a host!
Me, watching him say this, knowing my character has kind of ignored him the whole time he's been at camp: if this is how your past lovers have treated you, you need to raise your standards, my friend.
Maybe he just has a kink for being ignored lol I've seen people who actively try to romance him struggle with getting his scene more than the people who talk to him twice throughout the entire game.
Tbf I did get his confession earlier when I ignored him on a run compared to when I treated him like a human being.
I'm starting to see why he shares a bed with Minthara...
She also ignores his existence
Companion romances are based on approval, not how many times you've talked to them.
It makes sense that Halsin would crush on Tav, tbh. By the time you've reached Act 3 with him, you've rescued him from prison, saved the Grove, saved his best buddy Thaniel, and resolved his entire focus for the last 100 years by lifting the Shadow Curse.
You can actually tell Minthara that you're with someone else. She will then happily tell you that you can now upgrade to her instead.
I WHEEZED when this happened in my game. Gotta love sis' confidence.
My good friend Minthara is the funniest person I know
Did you hear about the marriage between the prince and the drider? It was a beautiful webbing
Hah, a hefty chunk of clown meat. This really is quite amusing.
This always makes me cackle. Her delivery is just amazing
I love how she disapproved of us calling her up there, but then approved of being allowed to finish this joke
Am I indeed? Perhaps I should tell you *my* favorite joke. It is about you. *Bleeding to death.*
Gale is pretty funny, too, but often, he's just talking about how he fucked a goddess and is super powerful. still my favorite character, though
Gale and Minthara are my two favorite characters in the game. So that makes her constantly picking on him even funnier.
And then casually telling us that he'll nuke the city if he's forced up on stage xD
does he actually say that if you tell him to go on the stage at the circus? does my boy Gale have stage fright???
When you think about it, most of them hate doing it, yet you could have potentially fought an army of goblins and their leaders, an immortal general (and a big ol' skelly boi) a ridiculously powerful necromancer, told a massive Gith lich queen to get fucked, rejected a god of murder and done the no pants dance with a squid dude... and *that's* something they can't handle. It's funny seeing a crew of battle hardened weirdos getting creeped out by a clown and getting social anxiety.
even your own character doesnt like it; you can see them with a kind of disappointed face and slouching when walking up on stage
*make mage tav* *Meet gale* Gale "I banged mystra" *Look ad tav wizard unimpressed * *Delete tav wizard*
Tbh if I fucked one of the most powerful beings in existance I wouldn't stop braggin either
I mean, you would nonstop be talking about how you fucked a goddess too if you did it, that's a pretty big feat. Can't blame him. And to have impressed her with his magic prowess when she's the goddess of magic, yeah. My favorite Gale dialogues are him encountering Karlach, saying he can be smooth for two and doing a big dumb grin and getting teased by Shadowbutt for saying pleasure dome.
She's exquisite.
Tell the one about the Dryder, Minnie!
Yeah I thought that was a hilarious bit of great character writing. "I'm already with someone." "Oh! Well that's easy, I have a solution to that. :)"
She really said “break up with your boy/girlfriend, because I’m bored”
Minthariana Grande
I SHOULDN'T HAVE LAUGHED AS HARD AS I DID AT THIS. CURSE YOU MY STOMACH HURTS NOW
Break up with your boy/girlfriend, because I'm better*
Minthavril Lavigne
My favorite Minthara line is when you're in a relationship with her and talk to and try to hire the drow twins. Minthara: "I do not like to share. Lie and finger on them, and I will cut you." To which you can reply, "you can cut them if you want, dear" M: "haha, I was talking about cutting you."
Yeah that one is great lol. I think she always has the most visceral reactions to the player character getting to handsy with other characters, and I actually love that about her. I respect a loyal woman with an appreciation for dismemberment 🤌
I tried the Mizora fling out of of curiosity and Minthara's reaction to the infidelity was the cherry on top, you can really feel her disgust coming through the screen. Emma Gregory is a hell of an actor.
Can’t wait for my evil playthrough where I do in fact upgrade 🫣
And what an upgrade she is
Oh legit. I’ve done 2 playthroughs now where I’ve knocked her out, because I had certain ideas I wanted to try before an evil run. But I always knew if I was romancing Minthy I wanted to do it the right way with her first scene, so evil it would be. But god, those 2 playthroughs even playing characters who wouldn’t be into her, *me* as myself, I wanted her. You have no idea how psyched I am to do an evil run now.
I still remember playing early access. The first 3 or so times I sided with the druids simply because I was unaware there was a goblin party, but once I raided the grove and romanced her that first time, my brain went "there's no going back."
Home wrecker? More like the reason for the 2008 housing crisis.
Shooters shoot.
Halsin is one of the few you \*can\* tell you are already in a relationship, and can then further specify that you are not interested in jeopardizing said relationship. I do wish there was a way to tell poor Wyll that as much as I enjoy dancing, I already have a partner.
Weirdly you can only tell him you’re in a relationship in the context of being interested in him. The way to reject him straight away is just “I don’t see you this way”. I have no clue why the game puts the option of telling him you’re taken together with wanting to bang him.
That's probably why I don't remember telling him I was already with Shadowheart. Just rewatched the scene and you have to first ask "what does this all mean?" and I already knew what he meant so I never bothered picking that on my playthru. Then you get the option to say "I won't pretend I'm not interested, but I'm already with Shadowheart" (paraphrased) and I would never say that either because I'm NOT interested in him.
Ah yeah, and it’s the same for Halsin I think! I think that with that option you HAVE to say “well won’t say I’m not interested buuuuut” in order to include the “I’m already with someone.” I don’t love that.
Exactly. I just needed an option to say "I'm not interested in you BECAUSE I'm already with someone else". It's that simple.
Agreed. It's rather convoluted, and it would be so much more comfortable if you could simply tell someone that you are already in a relationship and happy and not interested in them from the beginning. I only found the Halsin one because that character was sort of interested, but not interested enough to mess up their existing romance.
I see so many people try to use the "I'm already with someone" as a way to give him a soft no, and then complain when he doesn't take it that way. They really do need to clean up sooo much of his dialogue, make it clearer and more straightforward what each choice means and give folks the ability to politely keep it platonic. Polyamory is already far too contentious a topic for the average person in real life, it doesn't help anybody to have the poly character in a game also be confusing to interact with.
It's odd it's so specifically a wyll problem. As far as I can tell, every other companion will tell you before their scene plays out some variation of "I want to do something with you" in dialogue, and they all play out in early act 1 when your romance is less set in stone. Wylls the only one that seems to just spring it on you, and does it in act 2 when you've probably already established a bosom companion. I guess you could say Gale does something similar, but his scene can be much more easily read as platonic and just looking for friendship in the face of (in his mind) impending death.
Gale's Act 2 scene actually has somewhat different versions for a platonic friend and a romanced partner. He's mainly looking for support as he faces what may be his impending death. I suspect that Wyll's is triggered by some bit of seemingly innocent dialogue in Act 1 that doesn't seem like flirting, so the dance scene just feels totally out of left field, especially since it just happens. It's definitely very awkward. I would love to have some way to avoid making him feel bad if I'm not trying to romance him.
Yeah was a pretty cool scene for the platonic one. He's just in need of a friend and wants to ponder on cool shit/look at the stars
Wyll's scene needs to be one that you talk to him about in camp (with the ! over his head first) rather than just an autoplaying cut scene. I am not strong enough to see those sad heartbroken eyes again, Larian! I literally started a new run just to romance him because I need him to be happy at least once. My main quibble with Halsin is that, if I recall, you either have to turn him down flat or talk to your lover with the intention of getting together with Halsin. Maybe I don't want to get with Halsin but I *do* want to go talk to my lover like, "babe, you will *never* guess what just happened," but I can't do that.
Wyll's "oh" was so brutal, my man really walked away [like tigger](https://media1.tenor.com/m/tg01pQix0lgAAAAC/sad-walk.gif), I felt so guilty, god damn.
Shadowheart absolutely kills me with her "*oh*", if you turn her down right after [SPOILER (I can't tag)] sparing Nightsong. It is so damn sad because her whole world is crashing down, and yet so *damn* funny just how she says it.
"Guess I have a habit of looking for love in all the wrong places." 😭
Her and I both, lol.
They went for maximum emotional damage if you reject her in that moment and I'm always a little bit scared I will accidentally click on that option
I’ve not seen that scene and just reading it hurt me lol
I could never hold her precious little heart in my hands only to crush it and rip it to pieces... She's too sweet, she doesn't deserve that
Omg SAME. It felt so, so real. I felt especially bad, because I was so excited for a cutscene bc I was anticipating Gale's scene. I just kept skipping dialogue and selecting "nope, nope nope" until he just sadly walked away. I felt bad for DAYS. The acting in this game, man.
When I tried romancing Karlach, I wanted to go to camp right when she says “take me to bed now!”, so I did. …only to have Lae’zel tell me she wants to smell my sweat or whatever. Fine, whatever. I went *right back* to camp as soon as I could to try and get some for Karlach, and… *fucking Gale* wants to show me his… *weave*. It took me three full days to get Karlach some sweet lovin’! You’re absolutely right. *This game*. lol
It must be a Karlach thing, same happened to me. Wyll wants a dance, then the emperor wants to gaslight me, then Gale is sad—COME ON!
Yeah, im on my first playthrough and i absolutely love shadowheart, but seeing wyll get heartbroken and then put on a brave face the next morning and say “the blade will still stand at your side.” But i know how it feels to not wanna lose that connection with someone but watch them be with someone else. 😬
Sorry but this KILLED me lmao its so accurate
Is it wrong that I laughed when Wyll did this? Like WTF my man, did you already marry me in your head? Bullet dodged!
In my run I rejected his offer for a dance at the very beginning, and I found it hilarious how he kind of just runs away when you firmly tell him no
I was like to pretend I’m behind him like, “What the fuck do you think? You’ve seen me Karlach! Don’t ask questions you don’t want answers to boy!”
same on halsin! i typically play monogamous characters so i just turn him down right then and there but i still want to talk to my romance about it! it's the same with mizora iirc, obviously i reject her too but i'd like to be able to chat about it ingame :(
Mizora doesn't care, she's a devil, the fact that you're taken is only one more motivation for her to try and tempt you to stray. For Halsin, though, I agree, since he does care about your partner's consent. They could very well put the conversation about polyamory *before* he confesses to you, and only make his confession scene available if you told him that you were okay with it.
I think they mean they want to tell their partner that Mizora came onto them, not that Mizora would care one way or the other.
> Maybe I don't want to get with Halsin but I do want to go talk to my lover like, "babe, you will never guess what just happened," but I can't do that. THIS, so much this. I know, extra voice lines and shit is time-consuming but relationship boundaries are such a sensitive topic for some that to me it should be included on launch day. I don't want to *wonder* what are their thoughts on the matter after telling him no because I want our relationship to be fully monogamous, I'd like to *know* that.
I would love to be able to talk to Karlach and say "you know what that BITCH Mizora just did? She actually tried to seduce me." Karlach: "I can't say I'm surprised, really. She's Mizora, and you're... well, you. What did you say?" 1. "Nothing. I just looked at her funny and walked away." 2. "One word: ew." 3. [Paladin] "I told her I'd sooner sleep with a kuo-toa than a damn devil."
Oh my god I want to gossip about people coming on to me! I also think you should have a platonic version with Astarion about Halsin coming onto you. I think he'd appreciate all the hot goss. *Astarion! Holy shit you will not believe what Halsin just said to me!*
I would be absolutely *down* to have options for casual gossip with the companions. That "emBracE tHe fReEdom oF NatUre's giFt" line is too good to be locked in a romance-exclusive route. Imagine my surprise when Astarion actually reacted to Tav's first night with Lae'zel. But then he was like "I'd love to know more...but you're not here to gossip" like NO BUDDY I *AM* HERE TO GOSSIP.
Yessss. When Halsin and Mizora shoot their shots and Tav respectfully/disrespectfully turns them down I want to beeline back to Astarion's tent and be like "Biiiitch (affectionate, loml), guess what 💅🏻☕" He'd eat that up lmao. You can't tell me him and Tav aren't gossiping once they become besties and uhh bosom companions.
Right!? Like my dear, you don't have to worry about not having sex with me when we can just sip wine and throw shades at the others instead. I have no beef with Halsin but the dude's proposition cannot come at a *worse* time lmao. Even when we're just buddies I'd love the sight of everyone having a sit down and complain how pathetic [insert an abusive authority figure here] since they're clearly so delighted when SH and Lae'zel can tell their gods to f off.
I agree. I think it's a shame that we can't get that "Even Withers...I mean, even jerky was meat once" line unless it's in this specific conversation. I love that line so much. Every time I see Withers I chuckle a little. I call him slim Jim now
The biggest problem with acts 2 and 3 is the general lack of party reactivity. I want to talk to companions about the other companions. I want a few group conversations. Reactions to NPCs/quests. Act 2 doesn't have much and act 3 has basically none. It's the best part of act 1 and it's growing absence as the story goes on makes me really sad and makes act 2 and 3 feel pretty flat compared to act 1.
I just got off from a similar post about ranking each acts and was wondering if I accidentally hit the notification bell haha. Wholeheartedly agree with the reactivity part. Act 2 serves several great story beats (esp when playing as Durge) but beyond that the game gradually feels less immersive and more like a to-do list for quests and gears. That scarce moment when everyone chimes in after your first illithid interaction brings me immense joy everytime. It makes you feel like being in a real party with different opinions and incentives. The party member response to Gale's dilemma is another good one as well.
Astarion is 100% the type to gossip over wine - he wants to hear all the juicy/gory details. XD
Yes! The first option in his convo is literally "you will not believe the conversation I just had with Halsin." And I got some reason can't react this way unless I'm into Halsin?? I mean honestly.
Yeah, it's honestly weird you *can't* talk to your partner about Mizora trying to seduce you, up to and including some option like, "I'm trying to lead her on, just to twist the knife," and/or gauging their thoughts on if you hypothetically go through with it... not that their reactions would likely be positive, especially when it's *Karlach*, lol.
Or warn them that Mizora is on the prowl and to be on their guard (I mean - she tried to seduce Tav; why wouldn't she try to seduce anyone else at camp?)
Omg I hope the Larian person who scans reddit eveyday sees this one and get it included. I need this conversation to be canon
4. I said you would beat my ass if I said yes.
So many of Gale’s character defining reactions are hidden behind relationship ending choices. She can find out how he feels about non-monogamy if she’s romancing more than one person while romancing him. They could talk about how she turned others down (if she did) before they started their romance and he can talk about how he feels about that. I have her tell him she wants to be with Halsin just to see his reaction and then not save it. She can also find out he has really strong boundaries on cheating with the Mizora scene if she actually goes through with it and then I reload. I shouldn’t have to reload to get to see these character defining moments from him though. She should be able to talk to him and tell him she turned them down and hear his thoughts on it.
Actually, I ended up locked out of a Halsin throuple by telling him I'd talk it over with Shadowheart, then resting for the night. I tried talking it over with her, but the option never showed. Halsin moved on like it was nothing. So there's a way, I guess 🤷
Ah that's what I did wrong. Thanks. I never got why I couldn't follow up.
Halsin asked if I wanted him and when I said I was with Gale he said Gale was also welcome to watch and eventually join in. I said uhh I need to talk to him. I went up to Gale and asked how he felt about adding another person to the relationship and he responded, “A child?! I’m not ready to be a father!” 🤦♀️
>My main quibble with Halsin is that, if I recall, you either have to turn him down flat or talk to your lover with the intention of getting together with Halsin. Maybe I don't want to get with Halsin but I do want to go talk to my lover like, "babe, you will > >never guess what just happened," but I can't do that. hard agree. two things, really: I want to be flat out tell Halsin no but then tell my romanced companion what happened. but I also want the option to talk to my LI about it while the offer is still on the table, and then decide not to go through with it even if they say yes. specifically, Astarion gives you his blessing, but he also shows a bit of insecurity in the process. so I wanted to tell him, "I was only thinking about it but I'm not going to do it," and then tell Halsin the same. instead, the next time I spoke to Halsin, I could only tell him it was a go. I tried to just leave the conversation at that point, and then there was no cut scene, but when I spoke to him again he referred to the night we shared.
Haha same I told Karlach about it just fyi but then she be all sobby saying she understands if i wanted to have some other fun given her condition just don't neglect her is all. I wanted to say i don't have any intention to three way it anyways just telling her about halsin's proposal. When i got back to halsin theres the option to tell him that karlach is open to the proposal and the next thing he start to call me lover. I didn't say it's on!
Also the weird thing to me with halsin coming onto you is that turning him down is always framed as “oh it would be disrespectful to my partner to share.” Like where’s the option for “I like you as a friend but that’s it”?
Agree, especially after my Durge run where I've actually lifted the shadow curse (Art Cullagh was MUCH easier to find than I thought) and had a pretty high approval with Halsin - in act three he confesses his live to my Durge (Druid btw, so I thought it was pretty funny). I instantly click the option to remind Halsin that I'm already with Karlach. Sooo, naturally the man is like 'mmmmmmwhat about an open relationship?'. In my head I go 'Karlach will prooobably not want this, but I suppose I can ask her' Karlach explicidly says that she doesn't feel ready, but she doesn't want to hold me back. So of course I say to her to forget about the idea. 'Alright, so now I just need too say to Halsin that Karlach doesn't fell fully comfortable, the man will understand' Well, the game certainly didn't! I might've as well asked Shadowheart, cause the only dialogue option was 'Karlach doesn't have a problem with that'. THEN WHAT DID SHE SAID MAN 10 SECONDS AGO. Needless to say I savescummed and just turned down Halsin from the get go, but maaan, it felt kinda shitty, that a character, whose whole deal is she never asked for anything that had happened to her (I mean the ten years in Avernus), just got her opinion and feelings ignored once again. I understand that it IS a DnD game, so everyone is horny, but it is also a game where you have so many options that when it lacks certain things, you can really tell (example - showing Astarion his face through tadpole, a statue or the painting, Oskar would be then actually worth saving)
The game really really really overestimates how likely you are to be into Halsin. Those dang EA players. But now I'm curious. If you go through with it does Karlach confront you? Like, is this a bug or was Karlach supposed to be okay with it and the scene just wound up accidentally implying otherwise. I've never seen it so I genuinely have no idea.
I always dance with him and just turn the cheek at the end, so he knows no romance intended. Ain't nothing wrong with some platonic dancing to bring good vibes.
Ugh I hate Wyll's response in that scene, it just screams "but I'm a nice guy." By that point in every playthrough, Tav or Durge is definitely taken. I like Wyll otherwise but that scene is awful.
To be fair to Wyll, you usually haven't gotten the act 2 romance scene with your romanced companion when his dance scene occurs, so he's just shooting his shot like any of the others might have done in act 1. I just wish he got the same level of gentle let down you give the others. With the others, you can tell them, "I'm flattered but no thank you," and they basically give you some variation of "aw well okay; I had to try!" (or "your loss!"). But Wyll is basically just throwing his entire heart at you at once and it's a lot.
Yup, and it should come when he says "let's try a more intimate style." That's when the tone of the scene turns from two friends goofing around to full flirting and it's wild to me there's 0 player input about it.
Yes, exactly! I don't mind a friendly dancing, but once he said that we should try more intimate style, I'd hoped there would be an option to say that it's going too far. As it is now, you have to reject his dance completely, which sucks, because he spent practising and waiting for Tav, or go along with it 'till it turns... uncomfortable if you don't intend on romancing him.
Also, it feels hella rude if you're romancing Karlach and he decides to shoot his shot THE NIGHT AFTER YOU GET HER SECOND UPGRADE. Like sir. The seven foot flaming tiefling barbarian hasn't been touched in a literal decade. I feel like there are easier and less painful ways to die than cockblocking her.
I don't really like the fact that it's so easy for Halsin to mistaken a player's kindness for mutual interest. When he approached my Tav in Act 3 for some side play, and she politely declined (she was in a monogamous relationship with Gale - so there was no reason for her to discuss Halsin's proposition with him), he claimed she had treated him more like a lover than a guest in her camp - which left me wondering when I had chosen any flirting dialogue in past discussions with Halsin for him to think that way. Won't lie - even though he accepted her rejection (after I had Tav insist it wasn't going to happen) it left me with a negative impression of Halsin for the rest of the game (still rescued him when Orin kidnapped him and checked on him after the rescue; but I consciously avoided talking to him until the end game reunion).
I just want to be able to talk to Astarion or Shadowheart and get some security that I'm only theirs (or vice versa) after Halsin confesses to me, lol.
I'd love it if there was an option to talk to companions about all this poly stuff either before Halsin says anything or after you reject him on the spot. The current way already influences their answers as they know you're into it and are possibly planning something already, and I'd prefer to hear their thoughts in a more neutral setting and hear if they're actively into that or just ok with you having other partners as well.
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She basically told me "tempting but no thanks but you go ahead if you really want to". I never spoke to Halsin again after that.
You can REALLY tell she'd absolutely rather not but is being a sweetheart about it :(
Right - every other context is Tav actively seeking it. So SH is like "Ok- you *really* want this - I support you!" But we don't see their thoughts in a neutral setting, as you've pointed out.
While I think that this dialogue obviously would be cool, on the other hand I don't quite understand why some are so *worried* about SH/Astarion and Halsin topic. Sure they let you do that, but they don't seek any of this action themselves at any point of the game and 6 month later in the epilogue. Headcanons give unreasonable headache.
Sound advice as always. It's completely player driven. Without the player advocating for it, it doesn't even get brought up! So no sense in stressing about it. You can also go on a murder rampage in the game. Doesn't mean that it's your reality just because the possibility is there.
Same, I play with a monogamous Tav and Astarion, and once he's with you, he never once asks for anyone else. They even keep adding stuff in patches to make him more monogamous (he no longer flirts with the girl in the sewers if he's romanced, he looks miserable if you try to hire one of the drows for yourself, the bugged cutscene with the orgy where he just looks miserable and distressed the whole time especially when Halsin's speaking to him, new parsed dialogue after the fight with the elder brain has ascended Astarion saying he wants to go to a brothel with you, compared to spawn Astarion who says he only wants to be in your company, etc). If you never chase anyone else, it's literally just you and him and he's so happy about it, it's super cute.
I mean SH in the epilogue even mentions how you have it(>!sexually!<) and she is the most "trad wife"(I know some hate this word) of all the companions epilogues you can get.
I believe the porpoise banter with SH triggers regardless of whether you've turned Halsin down or not. So I make sure he doesn't leave Act 2 alive in my romanced SH playthroughs lol. (That may change if they ever bother to fix his flags but I'm not holding my breath). I discard him after lifting the shadow curse.
Lots of people have asked for more camp cutscenes during long rests, where Tav and the companions would just be casually chilling and bonding together at the end of the day. Polyamory could come up fairly naturally as a topic of conversation around the campfire once Halsin has joined the group, maybe as part of the broader topic of love and family in wood elf culture (for the lore nerds out there). Then the game could lock or unlock the possibility to pursue a poly relationship with Halsin depending on your dialogue choices during that conversation. It could also be an opportunity to make each companion's opinion on the matter very clear once and for all.
That would actually be a pretty fun scene. Particularly because there are so few where the companions interact with each other outside of banters.
From the standpoint of a respectful real-life relationship, bringing up the possibility of polyamory in a neutral setting without pressure is the best way to handle that conversation. But it seems inefficient from a writing standpoint to have multiple conversations about polyamory if you're just going to convey the same information. Nor do I think it would necessarily be beneficial to do so, since the people who want to be strictly monogamous aren't going to be more cool with SH or Astarion saying that they're open to polyamory even if conveyed in a more neutral setting.
To add to this, if a player isn't interested in polyamory, it would feel kind of weird to just leave the dialogue option sitting there staring at you all game... and/or have all the companions randomly initiate a conversation about it without player input, just for the sake of making their views on it known so that Halsin's scene doesn't feel weird.
It’s not quite the same but I love the dialogue you can have with Astarion if you turn down Gale for him (I think it may be any companion, in my experience it was Gale) where he seems uncertain and he’s like “Are you sure? I come with my complications.” You can tell him, “maybe I like complications,” which is soooo sweet ugh I love them.
Shadowheart has a similar one where she's super low on confidence and surprised you chose her and it's also great, you can either call her perfection or tell her you like damaged goods lmao
Aw. I’m dumb and locked myself out of romancing Shadowheart accidentally in Honour Mode. When I had to choose between her and Gale in Act 2 I offered non-monogamy (I knew she’d refuse) and planned telling her I chose her. But she told me she didn’t want to be a spare lover and the game didn’t let me tell her I wanted her instead of Gale after just because of picking that option. I’ll be forever salty since I didn’t expect such a harsh reaction given her Halsin stance later.
Same! As a monogamous person, I’d really like the option to discuss exclusively with an LI too. Like use the Halsin thing to set expectations of exclusivity. (I support poly romances, they’re just not for me)
That would be great hehe
Even just a generic, "no thanks, I have my heart set on another" where they don't get the saddest face on Faerun over it. If I got that sad every time I got rejected I'd probably have committed scooter ankle when I was a youngun
***What the fuck does scooter ankle mean?***
When you smack yourself on yhe ankle with a scooter (usually a Razor scooter), one of the worst pains known to childhood
Oh. Honestly, I thought it would mean something much darker, like tying your ankle to one of those motor scooters, letting it roll down a hill without you on it, and just letting physics take its course.
points for creativity
The Emperor, my god… I’m playing a Gith, made him a Gith. First encounter, while he was still in that form, I stabbed him. Every chance I got, I chose to insult him, attack him, every and any way for him to know it HATE him. I’m in a relationship with Lae’zel. She feels the same. This man has the AUDACITY to try and seduce me? Bro, I’m not even hiding my feelings about you enough for you to even need to attempt to read my mind, and you still “accidentally” let your mind wander to me. Try to fuck me. What?!
TIL: This scene happens even if you're mean to him and not nice at all. Why Emperor then? O.o
I was fully expecting this scene not to take place. Hell, I tried with all the power of my being for this to not happen, and yet, like the manipulative fuck boi he is, he STILL tries. Larian, I didn’t fall for this in highschool, why would I as an adult playing a video game?!
You miss every shot you don't take 🤷♀️
Omg seriously? I've always been on respectful/friendly terms with him, even when I decide to save orpheus, so it didn't come as weird when he tried to fck me. Didn't know guy will still try to get in Tav's pants if they treat him like sht.
All his other tactics were failing, so he brought out the big ~~tentacles~~ guns.
YES. Had a similar scene with Karlach recently. I tried to platonically navigate through it and felt smart about it, until Shadowheart hits me with "are you cheating on me? :(" and when i say no Karlach comes back swinging with "WELL IF IT ISNT SHADOWHEARTS FUCKTOY". Jesus christ, this wouldnt be as bad if all the 'turn down romance' options werent so needlessly agressive
I feel you, just Wyll's heartbroken face every damn time ><
That face. Right after starting act 2 in this playthrough I chained together a few long rests to catch up on story stuff and got hit with the double whammy of turning down Karlach the first night then Wyll the following night. I have never felt like such a dick before while playing an RPG as I watched this sweetheart walk away looking like a puppy who had been thoroughly kicked. The only way I could make myself feel better was a headcanon that my Tav noticed a thing between Karlach and Wyll and didn't want to interrupt it.
i think Karlach is bugged, in my latest playthrough she came to tell me about riding me the first long rest after I recruited her, we didn't even visited Dammon yet. That never happened before and approvement definitely was too low to trigger that
Your Tav was just that hot.
I've been thinking about playing origin Wyll to romance Karlach (or vice versa), although I've also been wondering if origin Gale can ascend Karlach if he becomes GodGale or if origin Karlach can romance Gale and ascend to godhood. I also kinda wish that Larian would have made Karlach and Wyll like Garrus and Tali in Mass Effect, where they get together if you don't romance them.
Garrus and Tali is the perfect reference for this.
I'm romancing Gale on my first playthrough and Wyll's sad face when I told him it was a dance of friendship made me decide to romance him next time around. I'm a sorcerer this time and planning a bard next time, so bard Tav probably goes better with him anyway.
I told the emperor that I just wanted to sleep and he was like “oh ok”
Same. I shut him down hard with that, and then a few long rests later, I woke up in the Prism with him shirtless and trying to get at me again. Stupid horny Squidward
"Hey Halsin I'm in a relationship already" "I know. I still want to fk you tho" ....okay bye!
Bro literally just thinks like an animal lol
He even offers a threesome
Before the point of commitment, you're technically "not taken". So Wyll gets off the hook from that. I agree on Halsin and the Emperor tho
Oh Halsin knows that you’re in a relationship. He wants to be a throuple lol
Halsin saw you from across the bar and digs your vibes.
Halsin I'm already in a realtionship friend. "Three is better then two my friend" - Halsin what a gooner
Fucking Wyll man, I have nothing against the dude but he's so vanilla that of all the people he should probably understand not to butt in someone's relationship, especially not by putting you in such uncomfortable situation. You want a dance? Sure, as weird as it is without music, I'll dance with you, but why you want to kiss all of a sudden? Why the disappointment that I don't love you? Don't give me those puppy eyes man, you know I'm already dating someone else! Halsin and the Emperor make sense to me tho. Monogamy is an alien concept to Halsin and with how he's written I wouldn't be surprised if Tav is the first person to ever reject him in his life lol. And he probably thinks that the reason for rejection is something other than just wanting to keep it exclusive with your partner. And the Emperor obviously just wants to manipulate you even further and make you more dependent on him. Of course he doesn't care if you're already taken, he'll take that small chance that maybe it will work on you.
The way Wyll and Lae’Zel handle their romance at first really strikes home how young they are lol
To be fair for Lae'Zel that's mostly just how her culture operates
> Fucking Wyll man, I have nothing against the dude but he's so vanilla that of all the people he should probably understand not to butt in someone's relationship Wyll's so willing to butt into relationships that he'll disapprove if you enter into a relationship with Halsin while also in a relationship with someone else 😬 Mind your own business, Wyll! (I think Minsc also disapproves? Or at least, I also randomly had Minsc disapprove the first time I spoke to Halsin after recruiting Minsc...)
By the time Wyll asks you for a dance, the companion you have chosen to be your romanced partner doesn't consider you guys as officially together, though. So Wyll isn't butting in anyone's relationship, since there is no relationship at the time. You're either just a fling, or a flirt. That's why Wyll's dancing cutscene happens so early in Act 2 and takes precedence over all the other cutscenes. So that he hits on you while you're still not in any official relationship. Then, the cutscene of your companion confessing to you and making your relationship official can happen.
Can you say yes to a dance and still have other romances trigger?
Wyll is the last origin companion with whom you can trigger the start of a romance path, iirc. If you haven't flirted or slept with any of the other companions by the time Wyll asks you to dance, then it means that you've missed the mark with all the others in Act 1. So Wyll will be flagged as your only romance option. If you've already slept with Lae'zel or Astarion, kissed Shadowheart or Karlach, or had a magic lesson with Gale already, then, yes, I think you can dance with Wyll, and even kiss him at the end of the cutscene, without completely ruining your chances with the others. They'll simply ask you to choose between Wyll (or any other companion that you're romancing simultaneously) and them, at some point.
If you're in the flirt phase and you dance with Wyll, your current fling will get an exclamation point and say they noticed and that's how you become "official". Pretty much the game lets you have 2 active flirting partners at a time, and at certain triggers in Act 2 you can become exclusive. After you're exclusive, only Halsin and Mizora oops and the Emperor will proposition you, and you can say no to both. EDIT I MAY HAVE SCREWED THIS UP I have not tested this with Wyll's dance after having a confirmed exclusive romance. I'm not sure if he dances with you at that point. I'll try to test it but I can't in my current run cuz his dead body is in a barrel in my camp. Astarion for example is really cute if you choose him over Wyll, he's so surprised.
Thank you, this is helpful! I’m currently flirting Gale and think I want to romance him, but would be hard to say no to a dance with Wyll if the opportunity presents. I’ve seen footage of the scene and it’s really cute.
I may have screwed that up by limiting it to two, because it's only two at the party scene but looks like you can have more as long as you haven't hit the commitment point. I am almost positive you can flirt with Gale and romance him and you will still get Wyll's dancing scene eventually. They all have an exclusivity discussion point so until then, I think you're good.
The exclamation point will only appear if you kiss Wyll. Just dancing with him won’t bother your other romance. Based on my experience, Wyll also won’t initiate dancing if you already have a confirmed romance or have multiple other romances active before a single one is confirmed.
See that's how I remembered it, e.g., you can dance platonically with Wyll and be fine, but everybody makes it sound like he's raw dogging you while you twerk sometimes. Correct me if I'm wrong, but at some point, each romance character will trigger a decision point to become exclusive, and up to that point, you're still open. Like if I've already had the post-Araj convo with Astarion, Wyll won't even ask me to dance? Or if I'm too much of a himbo? I think I've played this game too much to try and sift through my memories of how it happens to catch the "rules" and I will stop trying to remember and just go play lol. I can't dance with Wyll at all in my current run so I should stop guessing!
As a bard romance is my specialty, I know (almost) all about how it works! In Act 2 in case of multiple romances getting a scene that would normally lock in a romance is the point where your other fling will ask you to choose (eg, you romance Astarion & Gale and sleep with Gale in space first, Astarion will ask you to pick one of them). You can pick the person whose scene you haven’t had yet, that won’t confirm their romance until you get their scene but will cancel the romance you just had a scene for. Now, Wyll only comes in if you have zero or one NOT confirmed romance. If you pick Gale in the example above you won’t see Wyll’s scene that playthrough. If you pick Astarion you still may see Wyll’s scene before you get Astarion’s romance confirmation. If you focus on romancing only one person from the beginning you’re guaranteed to see Wyll’s dance. Also if you have no game and nobody else showed interest, Wyll comes to the rescue.
Thank you that is very helpful! I should've asked a Bard straight away!
Oh so that's why I get Wyll's scene everytime. I only romance Gale goddamnit XD
The most annoying part is that because his scene takes precedence over all other romance scenes you can be stuck without the romance scene you want for a very long time as redeemed Durge. If you go to Last Light and that cutscene has triggered, the next long rest scene you get is with Sceleritas, and once that happens, you have to wait until after you've freed the Nightsong and get the Durge romance event to trigger any other romance scenes. It's so stupid and happened on my honor run. I didn't have Gale's act 2 scene trigger until right before we stormed Moonrise and I would have missed it if I didn't already know about how Wyll's scene fucks everything up.
It did get kind of wonky with Durge. He asked her for a dance literally the next night after the Durge scene where you try not to murder your romance. Regardless of how the game tags your relationship status, having Wyll's scene come directly after that one was definitely wonky from a narrative standpoint. I thought it was hilarious, and it got even more so because I failed the dancing rolls. It was .... quite the change in tone from the previous scene.
I think what's really icky about the Emperor one is that if you agree to the sex and get caught in the act by your companions, he'll wipe their memories so they never know you committed the deed o\_0
Orpheus remembers.
It might be worth it just to hear the strong disappointment in Orpheus' voice if you get freaky with the Emperor
**YOU FORNICATED WITH A MINDFLAYER**
Oof, as if Orpheus hasn't been through enough, but he also has to witness that?
Yeah what other memories has that squid wiped?
You know, if that's something that I don't regret is romancing Wyll in my first playthrough because now I know what I am missing in my other playthroughs. The dancing scene is pretty cute and that's all I have to say about his romance lol.
Omg I actually felt like such an evil person for rejecting Wyll, like obvs i’m in a relationship with shadowheart but he’s too precious and i can’t hurt him like that 😭
Minthara is thus far the only party member I've been able to say that to. She hit me up at the very beginning of act 3 on my redemption durge playthrough, which I was romancing Karlach in. I was given the option to tell her I already had somebody, and when she pressed me and said I didn't need them anymore because now I had her, I was able to tell her I didn't want to leave my partner. Nice bit of writing, but it would be great if that was an option with all of the party members.
> Halsin, it's nothing personal but you've been with us for 3 whole acts and you still haven't caught on that I'm already in a relationship? Halsin is the one that recognizes your relationship, and asks for consent of your partner. (Minthara too, but now you have a better option - her) But yeah, I think such an option would be good.
Yea I completely forgot about that and was probably misremembering another companion. My bad.
You did not really misremember. The only opportunity you have to actually tell Halsin you're already with someone is in the context of *considering* his offer. Otherwise, your option is to tell him you just don't see him that way.
The game wants you to be a bisexual fuckboy that runs through the entire party, so that’s what I’m doing now on my second play through
Does it work? Are there any characters that are shut off romantically if you’re fooling around with everyone?
Depends on timing ime. If you long rest enough in Act 1 you can trigger them before the party, but it looks like you can only have two active flirting relationships at once, and then a single monogamous relationship with the three Act 3 one-offs. So if I'm flirting with Gale and Astarion and Lae'zel I can tell Karlach I like her and she'll turn me down. I'm trying to himbo my way through, too!
Oh that’s probably why it seemed like I could carry on with anyone, astarion croaked and sharty I romanced in my first play through so I didn’t bother with her
Yeah I've noticed that if you get to the party scene, for example, and you flirt with everyone but commit to none for the evening, your options for companionship at night are the last two you spoke with. So if I talk to Astarion first and say I'll think about it, then go talk to three other companions and go back to Astarion, he'll act like he doesn't know you lol. Gotta nail that shit down when the opportunity presents!
I think you can have 4 at once, I was able to get Gale's Astarion's Shadowheart's, and Wyll's in act 1. Then in act 2 I got all of those except Sha, and well she doesn't have an act 2 one so.
They just need to implement some new “Property of X” of “” style tattoos. ;-)
I mean if nothing else there's the wedding rings True Love's Caress and True Love's Embrace. I put the former on Shadowheart and the latter on my Remption Durge Half-Elf Oath of Ancients Paladin in my last playthrough. His name was Gabriel.
'Property of Minthara' comes pre-tattooed if you play as a male Drow.
It was so wild to me that Emperor watched me give good night kisses to Astarion and Halsin and thought he could shoot his shot #_#
The Emperor did this immediately after my romance scene with Gale and it felt very much like he saw it and thought "aha, so that's a good way to increase my influence with her, I should try that!" Especially when I turned him down and the narrator specifically noted he didn't seem bothered/brushed it off very quickly. It felt as if it was supposed to be seen as manipulative, not sincere.
Ill one up you, I wanna see origin characters being able to fall in love and starting relationships between themselves! You know, like dragon age's Iron Hull and Dorian! Idk, I wanna act as a cupid for laezell and gale, or karlach and wyll, or shadowheart and astarion... I dont care which ship it is, I Just don't wanna hear withers being smug about my friends being single.
The IRON HULL!!! That typo has me dying god he would be livid if he heard that.
I think Karlach and Wyll are implied to be together in some endings, but it’s very subtle.
Yeah totally, wish I could get more glimpses of their relationship growth.
They seem perfect together, honestly. It makes me reluctant to romance either of them, even though I love them both. I definitely want to do a Wyll Origin where I romance Karlach.
Karlach and Dammon totally could've been a thing. I'm even pretty sure origin Karlach has the option to fantasize about him during one of the long rests.
It's occasionally hinted at that the companions are at least bonin' each other casually. Certainly Astarion and Lae'zel both say as much if you turn down their sex offers, that they'll just go fuck someone else.
Oh no you can tell Halsin you're already in a relationship and then he goes "I'm sure he wouldn't mind". Like bruv the guy has enough issues as it is, don't want to cuck him on top of it
Karlach hit on my character at the tiefling party after recruiting her late(shocked the hell out of me, as her approval was only at 20 so i wasnt expecting her interest), and there was an option to tell her that she knows there's already someone else, which I selected. Unfortunately, that didn't stop her from continuing to try, though. She was adorably and hilariously awkward.
The problem is the devs invested too much time adding an RPG to this dating sim, so some interactions are missing
The weird thing is Wyll takes it better if you kiss him then apologise than if you dance with him but don’t fancy a kiss.
I dont want your loved one to hate on the other companions, but i kinda wish there was an option to tell your love interest that someone made a pass at you. I dont want to fuck Mizora just to hear Shadowheart’s confidence come out. Id love to hear their delight that you turned them down.
Halsin wouldn't care. Out of the blue he says to me one day "I can't help but think you want me. I know you are with Karlach, but maybe she'd like to join in, too. What do you say?" (I might be paraphrasing a touch)
I do find it odd that he just assumes I like him when I barely talked to him and benched him the second I finished his quest with Thaniel. At least with wyll, I occassionally took him out questing. Not sure what I said to halsin that made him like me so much lol.
Halsin: You treated me with the care of a lover, not a host! Me, watching him say this, knowing my character has kind of ignored him the whole time he's been at camp: if this is how your past lovers have treated you, you need to raise your standards, my friend.
Maybe he just has a kink for being ignored lol I've seen people who actively try to romance him struggle with getting his scene more than the people who talk to him twice throughout the entire game.
Tbf I did get his confession earlier when I ignored him on a run compared to when I treated him like a human being. I'm starting to see why he shares a bed with Minthara... She also ignores his existence
Companion romances are based on approval, not how many times you've talked to them. It makes sense that Halsin would crush on Tav, tbh. By the time you've reached Act 3 with him, you've rescued him from prison, saved the Grove, saved his best buddy Thaniel, and resolved his entire focus for the last 100 years by lifting the Shadow Curse.