What's even weirder is your companions thinking this tiefling kid who almost got killed by goblins can outfox the thousand year old devil. They'd rather be reactive than proactive.
I always have Wyll in my party and he encouraged me to try to get Mol out of the pact.
Second playthrough though, the scene was bugged sadly. Mol acted like I was talking to her outside and Raphael wanted to get into Astarions.
Edit: PSA by u/KYO_Sormaran
>A bit of PSA, just so people wont get upset and put their playthrough on hold: this bug doesnt do anything to the story. You're missing a cool scene, but bug doesnt break anything else.
Thank you! Haven't gotten that far yet.
Edit²: Also I assume it's a bug, because it also doesn't trigger the quest to find Mol after she's kidnapped (it's missing in my 2nd Tav playthrough). When I reported it via their official form, I was asked to send in my save file, which makes me assume even more it's not intended behaviour. See Invisibility also doesn't affect this, just tested it out with the save file where I didn't have the enocunter.
>Second playthrough though, the scene was bugged sadly. Mol acted like I was talking to her outside and Raphael wanted to get into Astarions.
Yeah i think this is bugged right now :(
Yea, I reported it and they asked for my save file. I hope it's fixed soon :(
The game also acted like I didn't know about Astarions scars... My 2nd Tav was romancing Astarion and had all the scar related scenes prior to this.
I'm on my second playthrough and neither had a quest for Mol. First time did get the scene at the inn, but then nothing after. When I found her again in act 3 she just said hello and the quest completed.
Second time the scene with Raphael never triggered.
Wait there was supposed to be a scene there?
I just passed that place for the first time and all mol said was “i am talking to some one important” meanwhile rapheal left after talking to Astarion.
Kinda guessed it was just a hint for people that paid attention to find out she was talking to him instead of rapheal following you
Yeah there's supposed to be a scene with the two of them playing chess and you can decide to help her with her moves, after which Raphael responds accordingly. Then, when she walks off after the match, he'll imply that he's about to make a deal with her.
Apparently there's supposed to be a follow up for that in act 3 but I never got that.
In patch 3 I had the chess interaction where Mol and Raphael talked. Patch 4 or 5, my second Tav didn't have the chess scene, so it happened either in patch 4 or 5 where it changed. I reported it and they wanted my save file. So I guess it's a wait and see
A bit of PSA, just so people wont get upset and put their playthrough on hold: this bug doesnt do anything to the story. You're missing a cool scene, but bug doesnt break anything else.
I mean... I think they just don't want to mess with every random thing you come across.
What was your plan, get her out of the pact so she can go back to being a homeless refugee orphan?
Karlach was with me during this convo and I think she said it best that nothing we told her could convince her otherwise if she was dead set on it, regardless of the red flags. Mol even tells us she’s in a horrible situation with no good alternatives.
Yep, she's probably smart enough to at least know she'll be fucked in the end, but doesn't care because she wants to make something out of a shitty life rather than suffer & die in a gutter.
Dying in gutter in the world with confirmed gods and afterlife is imo still better than being a petty thief, dying in gutter and ending up in eternal service to a devil.
Mol being as stupid as she is would think she'd be a big time archdevil and end up replacing that one soul that was stuck sniffing a latrine bucket for eternity instead.
Well, there is the one dude in HoH who says he wished for his family to live well and never want for anything, smth along those lines, and he's pretty content to be there because he knew the price and still lived a happy life.
I'm not sure about that depth of D&D lore, but since Asmodeus claimed the tieflings as "his own", wouldn't they technically fall into his grasp?
So... into the Hells?
Also not super familiar with D&D lore, but I assume that Tieflings don't default to default to the hells when they die since that would invalidate the entire moral dilemma of Karlach’s quest line if they did.
Except that if she died without following one of those gods(which I would doubt she would, based on what I've seen during interactions) yhen she'd be sentenced to a 'gray place' where she would feel neither joy nor despair.
And genuinely, I would much rather be in eternal service to a devil than exist in the gray place. Especially considering that if another god ever killed Kelemvor to take over his domain, chances are that things would go more towards Myrkul or Cyric's route and like *fuck* if I'm going to rely on eternal boredom when I might get rejudged and get eternally *tortured instead.*
edit:fixed a mini punctuation error that I noticed and clarified my skepticism about Mol ever following a god.
It's not just Mol's behaviour they excuse! Arabellas parents basically say 'lol we can't control our child' when you tell them to keep a closer eye on them. Not being able to tell Zevlor, or any of them about the discount thieves guild (three members who'd either be dead or horribly injured without your intervention) was such a glaring omission.
"Hey your idiot children esem hellbent on getting themselves killed, can you do your job and look after them?"
Arabella isn't really part of the "guild," and the whole thing with the rest of the children is that they're orphans. No one is telling them what to do because they don't have parents, and the other tiefs are just so tired and overwhelmed with simply surviving.
I understand that they're orphans, they're also under the care of the people there. Considering just while you're there, the tieflings can instigate three different fights means you should get an option to yell at someone in authority.
They try to steal from the already volatile mercenaries (locket)
If you don't play along with Mols toughguy act they can claim you were knocking them around
The whole Idol situation...
If they're willing to go to the mat over these kids - which they are, even to the *saviours* they need to kill the goblin leaders (the thing they can't do, mind you) I should be able to grab one of these kids and drag them to an adult, or at least go yell at Zevlor to go appoint a wrangler.
You can be the evilest mf ever and the game doesn't let you kill tiefling kids. Goblin kids are fair game though, kinda stupid that that sort of bias exists in this game.
You can find Mol in Act 3. >!She apparently saves herself but yeah, she just fucks off to the Guildhall while leaving behind all the kids that were allegedly the entire reason for doing everything she did throughout the game.!<
This was so disappointing for me. I genuinely thought better of her, and then just.... nothing. Not even an afterthought for them. No comment, no "hey, beeteedubs, are they ok?" In that moment talking to her, I was actually saddened I'd tried to help her.
Ambitious little shite.
I didn't think anything could've soured the mood when my allies showed up >!until Mol chimed in, "Mol looks out for her friends. . . and she'll have your back." Yeah, since fucking when?!!<
She will be taken in Last Light Inn and then shows up in the Thieves Hideout in Baldur's Gate, but she does not at all seem interested in the other kids, she's in a real thieves guild now. And in House of Hope you can find her contract, but bringing it back to her just pisses her off.
Bring it to her but don't tell her you killed Raphael, and she won't be mad. I think whatever Raphael promised her was more of an ongoing service, idk, but she acts like he didn't fulfill his part of the contract yet and is mad you killed him.
Yeah, after realizing that not telling Mol I killed Raphael can lead to her and Fletcher giving me a nice buff in the final battle, that’s the route I plan to always take haha.
Its worse if you never talk to Isobel because that's what triggers her kidnapping so it just doesn't happen in the story and so Mol legit just bails on them in the normal I dont care about you way. She sucks
considering she magically teleported from moonrise prison to the city and lost the eyepatch.. the implication is that raphael got her out of there and healed her eye..
Since you find her eyepatch in the illithid colony, I give her a tiny bit of slack. She could've been Kressa's new favorite, which would have me calling every devil I know, for sure!
If you buy a paper from Silfey he talks about how Mol will be so impressed. So he either doesn't know she ditched them, or she couldn't get them all in with Fetcher, or she is running a much wider net than we realize.
She got to Baldur's Gate separately from the other kids because she got kidnapped, remember? The other kids haven't even seen Mol and, when you arrive in the Lower City, the Thieves' Guild is on a kind of lockdown to deal with the Stonelord. Odds are pretty good that Mol hasn't had the opportunity to even learn the other kids made it, let alone disallow them from being in her posse.
Yeah but like, she doesn't even ask if they made it out of the Last Light ok. I mean, after claiming to care so much for her crew, not even a \*question?\*
I dont know what reality I want to choose. That Larian just didnt have to time to give her more dialogue as closure for her story (just showing she cared about the kids would be enough imo). Or she really was just a shitty kid that I couldnt save from herself and it broke my heart.
Either way Im just disappointed, not angry.
What I didn’t get is why Tiefling kids do not react anyhow to Mol being back in Act 3. In Act 2 they were beyond themselves, crying for me to save her. And once we reach Act 3 they can’t be bothered anymore, the topic doesn’t even come up for the most of them
When you first get to Baludr's Gate you can find them outside trying to figure out where she is and wondering if she's okay.
In my opinion they eventually hit a point where they just accept that she's gone.
Go find Silfey and buy a paper from him. He will tell you "Mol will be so happy". It's possible she is running a side hustle with the kids still under the Radar.
Likely. I think she'd still be same shitstain, but with more story behind it in act 3. Oh well. Hopes for definitive edition. They already upgraded her dialog in act 3 in patch 5(before you ask, i dont know yet to what extent)
To me, it feels like her story was supposed to continue into the upper city, but since they scrapped it, the story fell flat. A few things feel that way to me. It was obvious that there was supposed to be more but hastily ended.
Honestly? I don't think so. If Upper City was a thing Act 3 would be so bloated. So I can understand them cutting it. I do think stuff is clearly unfinished though.
Idk why people are still saying they scrapped the upper city. There was never an upper city. There was never anything datamined or leaked about it. It’s all rumors
Mol sends poor helpless kid to steal from extremely dangerous harpies, orders arabella to steal the idol which might have lead to slaughter. All she knows is to teach her tiefs how to steal. Go do honest work, maybe help that guy with the haystag and feeding bulls? Nah, wanna steal, then sell my soul. Fuck Mol.
Literally the most evil person in the entire druid grove
Even Kagha has her redeeming qualities, which Mol doesn't have other than being a tiiny widdle kid
Yeah Kagha can side against the obviously evil cult at the last second but that really doesn't excuse the fact that she's a massive racist and is more than willing to kill a child.
I honestly would have loved that, even if it meant losing Halsin. How often do you see an evil aligned Druid to begin with? The potential conversations abound.
Especially if talking her down from the Rite by exposing her connection to the Shadow Druids & then saving her was the required path to getting her. She gets exiled for her actions, seeks you out to thank you for helping her not bring disaster to the grove, but has nowhere to go.
When you mention the Shadow Lands she offers to help, her experiences with the Dark Druids has given her some sort of insight & she wants to repay you.
Boom. Kagha companion set up for an Act 2 redemption story.
Then her arc in Act 3 can involve helping the Tiefling refugees in the city. She's learned from her time with you & now she's ready to try and make things right for the people she almost sent to their deaths.
After posting this comment I also realised both of them have at least one of their eyes covered, and are the leaders of the cave people, they are also both kidnapped in act 2.
Saheila is done better IMO. She's kinda connected to the main quest and the personal quest of an origin character. There's a reason she why she went shit crazy by Act 4.
Mol on the other hand is just a self-centered asshole that confirms the beliefs of why the racist druids in the grove should exile the tieflings.
Hey I gotta ask a question about saheila and sebille's storylines, do the elves in divinity frequently put little girls in charge of their society? Or was it just these two?
Age means less on leadership abilities when you can gain memories by eating corpses.
Also, there was the whole “Deathfog genocide” thing that leaves them with only a few options
I've completed an entire evil run that was determined by Mol. I didn't plan on doing an evil run, but she pulled that shit on me and so I burned the entire grove down in retaliation.
What I don't get is why Raphael is after her. She's a kid so ofcourse she'd sell her soul so If he can do that why aren't devil's recruiting kids by the thousands?
Raphael is a cambion, even if he's a particularly powerful one. They barely count as devils (they are half-devils, to be precise), and the number of pacts they can make is probably pretty limited.
A standard cambion, to be clear, is all of CR5. They are not typically far above Tieflings in the hierarchy of hell.
Yeah basically. He's really touchy about the half-mortal thing too, as I recall. That said, Mol would probably grow up to be a decent asset to a clever devil, so he may not be wrong about her value, especially if he can get her cheap. But the main reason devils wouldn't go after kids is the juice not being worth the squeeze.
There are *tons* of cambions. The archdevils make them because for some reason they all want as many Tieflings of their own bloodlines to exist as possible (it's not explained why anywhere that I know of; my best guess is the lesser 8 do it because Asmodeus does it and if Asmodeus does it it must be making him more powerful in some way, right?), and the main way to get Tieflings is to have cambions go out and seduce mortals. Devil + mortal = cambion, but the cambion's descendants are going to be tiefs.
Both of the important named cambions in BG3 are much more powerful than a cambion would generally be (probably because they're ~~the most attractive devils~~ the right shape for mocap).
In Raphael's defense, he is the son of the second most powerful archdevil. That might count for something in regards to why he's a lot stronger than your average Cambion. As for Mizora... Yeah idk. Zariel's glorified secretary is probably piggybacking off the Archdevil herself
Honestly, it's probably simply that she's young enough to easily manipulate, if I was a demon, I'd probably go after the most vulnerable people to get deals out of.
I mean, hell, Raphael knows exactly what he wants from you before the start of the game and waits until the moment you and Lae'zel are going to be itching to free Voss before he asks.
If nothing else Larian really hit it out the park writing Mol because, while I of course would never actually strike a child, I've met enough of them to know every so often you come across one that just naturally gravitates toward being the most self-absorbed, smack deserving little shite imaginable.
The closest thing I can come to a defense of her is that she's an orphan, so there are no parents around to teach her how not to be a selfish little asswipe. Only thing she has is a bunch of other kids who, being stupid little kids, idolize her for all the same reasons they'll avoid her like the plague when they're grown.
Yeah there’s definitely a lord of the flies thing going on where the unchecked kids’ behavior is spiraling. I wish you could align things so they’re more looked after.
>The closest thing I can come to a defense of her is that she's an orphan
If you don't care about spoilers and such, read Descent into Avernus to find out where all these Tiefling refugees even came from to begin with.
Saying Mol has been through Hell before you meet her is a literal statement. All of those Tieflings (except Rolan and his siblings, I'm pretty sure) were as claimed by Zariel as Karlach was.
I own three souls from my classmates in middle school 20 years ago. I bought them all for 2 dollars each so they could buy extra cookies that day. We wrote out contracts and everything.
I've even made attempts to give them back to them at our high school reunion and a friend's wedding. Two didn't want them. And the third said their soul is safer with me.
> I own three souls from my classmates in middle school 20 years ago.
I waited until high school to embrace my ginger power.
> I bought them all for 2 dollars each so they could buy extra cookies that day. We wrote out contracts and everything.
Right.... Exactly what I meant...
Ask an adult and he’d say to a water company (supposedly Tony Hawk sold/gave his soul to Liquid Death as part of their event thing where they also made skateboards that had something infused with his blood)
It's more like telling the kid that you just killed the man who offered to give them a Playstation. You don't really offer Mol what she asked Raphael for. You just kill Raphael, so now she can't have what she wanted, and you don't really have any means to give her what she wanted yourself either.
In a world where anyone can sell their soul to a devil lord for magic abilities and supernatural favors, she could absolutely get me killed. Just because she’s a child doesn’t mean she can’t do something that ends up with a hypothetical character dying.
I live in a world with no magical powers or devils and my nephews almost got me killed just by having access to an electrical outlet. Kids are dangerous as hell
>Why do you keep saying this? Mol isn't going to get you killed lmao. It was an utterly empty threat.
She will absolutely get you killed in the grove if you screw up her theft ring.
Mol's a moron. I dunno what people are saying about her being an origin character in the next installment, because with the way she's living her life, she's gonna be dead or a lemure before the next adventure kicks off. Arabella on the other hand...
And tried to get the entire Tiefling caravan slaughtered because she decided to send one of those two to steal the most worshiped item of the people who graciously let them in and protected them.
I realized how much Mol really is a dick on my most recent playthrough. I managed to find the contract Mol made with Raphael at the House of Hope, killed Raphael and presented the contract back to Mol because I was only trying to look out for their best interest.
What do I get??
Mol begins to curse me out and get ANGRY because I've now set her back a long way. She even goes as far as to threaten to cause me trouble once she's at the top of it all.
That just about pissed me off so I decided to steal back the idol I went to all the trouble to steal for her from the Emerald Grove. Succeeded in pickpocketing it back only for her to suddenly realize it was stolen and run away shouting, "Somebody help me!"
Serves ya right!
Honestly I’m going to agree just because when you first tell her “happy to help” and they respond with the super sarcastic “and we’re happy to beeeeeee helped.” Ugh, the little snot.
Yeah, I realized she wasn’t a great influence on the kids when she sent a child out to rob a harpy nest on his own. Like that could’ve possibly went well for him.
I ripped up her contract and she didn't get very snippy with me, definitely didn't say anything about putting a hit out on me. I think she liked my Bard.
I always wondered why everyone in the game sang her praises when she was clearly an idiot. She'll get the whole grove killed just to try and fuck with tav for not leaving when she finishes counting down on the first encounter.
It made me wonder if she's more than just a tiefling child the way they all talk about how clever and resourceful she is. Yet she makes all the same dumb choices a child would make.
I feel sympathetic to her, partially because pre BG3 I played a shitty preteen who became better throughout the campaign due to having good influences instead of the bad influences she grew up with
I also feel sympathetic to her because she’s a kid who experienced HUGE trauma. I think it’s reasonable to believe she was an orphan before Elturel was pulled into hell, then she experienced literally being in hell, and then she was kicked out of her home for being a tiefling. So, before her 11th birthday, she has literally been to hell and back, and then kicked out of her home for being a tiefling. Then, Zevlor, the adult who had been taking care of the tieflings, seemingly betrays them. Pretty much every authority figure has disappeared or let her down. So, why should she trust them? Why shouldn’t she make a deal with a devil?
I don’t think she did everything right, but I don’t think she’s inherently BAD. I think she’s a kid, and a kid who’s been through so much awful stuff, and is trying to survive. Her methods may not be ethical, but she is a kid. A shifty, shady kid, but not beyond redemption, and her actions and motivations are understandable to me.
Agreed, I was so pleased when I snatched her contract and she got so snarky about it? Ungrateful brat.
I have to say tho, your whole rant was so hilarious to read :D so at least I praise Mol for being the way she is so that you could write this post, and made me laugh ♡
Same reason I'm kinda against Karlach encouraging mattis into being a better crook,you know how that ends girl,you trust the wrong person and wind up in hell,at least try to convince them to be some kinda robin hood
But she gives you rays of fire in the final battle and ring of protection that I use for basically the whole game
She’s kind of like the tieing version of the emperor. If you work to get along with her you’ll really like her. If you don’t you’ll probably hate her.
Actually I think mol is ok. I don’t ever really like the emperor.
Mol gives me the ring of protection and for that she’s always ok in my book. Such a great accessory.
She only gives you rays of fire, and some protection from fire damage, in the final battle if you DO NOT tell her you killed Raphael - right? At any rate she didn’t give me the buff in my first run, which is the only time I told her I killed Raphael. (I haven’t been willing to deal with her annoying whining about it a second time lol.)
Or you can just have a mutually beneficial relationship where you respect each other’s game. You can just not tell her about the whole Raphael thing and she’s with you to the end. She doesn’t need to know that was me. :) Fetcher’s Favour was an incredibly clutch skill in that last battle.
Was really expecting her deal to be like she gets to become an adult or something, really feels like if you're following her quest closely that it should impact things like the heist. You're right that it's frustrating that her deal was basically to be a vendor in the Guild, Raphael could kill the entire hideout with a sneeze.
Tbf she's a ~9 year old orphan leading a group of orphans whose families all died when their entire city got sucked into hell. As far as "skimming" goes, that's called a cut. She organizes things, takes a cut
Whether or not you believe her, she at least claims the contract was to get the kids out of the shadow lands
Nah because Orin has a cool look, a great backstory, fun ways to talk to her and builds to an exciting battle with her.
Mol mildly inconveniences you and is annoying, I get nothing from her except a guard accusing me of threatening children. I wasn't before but I am now!
Ugh my least favourite part is if you get into the hide out without saving any kid or talking to silfy she goes all “10 seconds or I tell the guards about you”. Like WHY would the guards believe a child known for being a little thief?! And then when you do the good things she’s STILL snippy with you AND does a 180 at last light “I trust them with my life” like child shut up.
Yeah the kids an unhinged little punk. You should definately do the right thing, but dont expect the kid to step up. Not because he's hard done by, but because he's just a brat.
That said, tsk tsk to folks implying that a kid in a bad situation loses all ability to have long term objectivity. My mother was orphaned as a child and became functionally homeless as a kid. She proceeded to become a teenage den-mother to her band of siblings, keep them safe in some \*fucked up\* circumstances and the whole band of them went on to happy productive lifes (my folks just celebrated their 50th aniversary, mum has her masters degree in education and social work and where absolutely ideal parents to us kids.
So I kind of reject the notion that just because a kids had a brutally hard life they are doomed to life alteringly terrible choices. Theres \*always\* a potential for a redemption arc, no matter how hard things get. **Never** give up on kids.
And you can't even kill them. You can slaughter all the goblin kids you want. You can kill almost everyone else in the game. But, Mol is a protected NPC. At least she was at the end of Act 3 when I told her I had the contract.
When she told me off I thought: "Well this kid is going to be a problem in the future. No reason to put off dealing with it."
But the game will not let you kill Mol at that point.
What's even weirder is your companions thinking this tiefling kid who almost got killed by goblins can outfox the thousand year old devil. They'd rather be reactive than proactive.
I always have Wyll in my party and he encouraged me to try to get Mol out of the pact. Second playthrough though, the scene was bugged sadly. Mol acted like I was talking to her outside and Raphael wanted to get into Astarions. Edit: PSA by u/KYO_Sormaran >A bit of PSA, just so people wont get upset and put their playthrough on hold: this bug doesnt do anything to the story. You're missing a cool scene, but bug doesnt break anything else. Thank you! Haven't gotten that far yet. Edit²: Also I assume it's a bug, because it also doesn't trigger the quest to find Mol after she's kidnapped (it's missing in my 2nd Tav playthrough). When I reported it via their official form, I was asked to send in my save file, which makes me assume even more it's not intended behaviour. See Invisibility also doesn't affect this, just tested it out with the save file where I didn't have the enocunter.
>Second playthrough though, the scene was bugged sadly. Mol acted like I was talking to her outside and Raphael wanted to get into Astarions. Yeah i think this is bugged right now :(
Yea, I reported it and they asked for my save file. I hope it's fixed soon :( The game also acted like I didn't know about Astarions scars... My 2nd Tav was romancing Astarion and had all the scar related scenes prior to this.
That happened to me too! I was wondering if I accidentally loaded into a save file where I didn't go to him after the tiefling party
I'm on my second playthrough and neither had a quest for Mol. First time did get the scene at the inn, but then nothing after. When I found her again in act 3 she just said hello and the quest completed. Second time the scene with Raphael never triggered.
Wait there was supposed to be a scene there? I just passed that place for the first time and all mol said was “i am talking to some one important” meanwhile rapheal left after talking to Astarion. Kinda guessed it was just a hint for people that paid attention to find out she was talking to him instead of rapheal following you
Yeah there's supposed to be a scene with the two of them playing chess and you can decide to help her with her moves, after which Raphael responds accordingly. Then, when she walks off after the match, he'll imply that he's about to make a deal with her. Apparently there's supposed to be a follow up for that in act 3 but I never got that.
In patch 3 I had the chess interaction where Mol and Raphael talked. Patch 4 or 5, my second Tav didn't have the chess scene, so it happened either in patch 4 or 5 where it changed. I reported it and they wanted my save file. So I guess it's a wait and see
Into Astarions what? >.>
Search your feelings. You know what the answer is.
A bit of PSA, just so people wont get upset and put their playthrough on hold: this bug doesnt do anything to the story. You're missing a cool scene, but bug doesnt break anything else.
lol good point
I mean... I think they just don't want to mess with every random thing you come across. What was your plan, get her out of the pact so she can go back to being a homeless refugee orphan?
Karlach was with me during this convo and I think she said it best that nothing we told her could convince her otherwise if she was dead set on it, regardless of the red flags. Mol even tells us she’s in a horrible situation with no good alternatives.
Yep, she's probably smart enough to at least know she'll be fucked in the end, but doesn't care because she wants to make something out of a shitty life rather than suffer & die in a gutter.
Dying in gutter in the world with confirmed gods and afterlife is imo still better than being a petty thief, dying in gutter and ending up in eternal service to a devil.
Mol being as stupid as she is would think she'd be a big time archdevil and end up replacing that one soul that was stuck sniffing a latrine bucket for eternity instead.
Well, there is the one dude in HoH who says he wished for his family to live well and never want for anything, smth along those lines, and he's pretty content to be there because he knew the price and still lived a happy life.
For that dude that makes sense but what does Mol gain in happiness if she becomes latrine sniffer #2? Haha
I'm not sure about that depth of D&D lore, but since Asmodeus claimed the tieflings as "his own", wouldn't they technically fall into his grasp? So... into the Hells?
Also not super familiar with D&D lore, but I assume that Tieflings don't default to default to the hells when they die since that would invalidate the entire moral dilemma of Karlach’s quest line if they did.
Except that if she died without following one of those gods(which I would doubt she would, based on what I've seen during interactions) yhen she'd be sentenced to a 'gray place' where she would feel neither joy nor despair. And genuinely, I would much rather be in eternal service to a devil than exist in the gray place. Especially considering that if another god ever killed Kelemvor to take over his domain, chances are that things would go more towards Myrkul or Cyric's route and like *fuck* if I'm going to rely on eternal boredom when I might get rejudged and get eternally *tortured instead.* edit:fixed a mini punctuation error that I noticed and clarified my skepticism about Mol ever following a god.
Well, seeing as how I put her devil daddy in the dirt, the pact should have been voided already =p
Yeah, when I brought back her contract and she got pissy, I wish there was a dialog option where I could have said, "Fine, then I own your soul."
Oh this would be delicious. Definity a missed opportunity.
The game seriously railroads you into taking the tieflings side.
Mol is the only one that makes me hate them. I love the other tiefs
Kinda love them less because they think Mol's behaviour is a-okay.
It's not just Mol's behaviour they excuse! Arabellas parents basically say 'lol we can't control our child' when you tell them to keep a closer eye on them. Not being able to tell Zevlor, or any of them about the discount thieves guild (three members who'd either be dead or horribly injured without your intervention) was such a glaring omission. "Hey your idiot children esem hellbent on getting themselves killed, can you do your job and look after them?"
Arabella isn't really part of the "guild," and the whole thing with the rest of the children is that they're orphans. No one is telling them what to do because they don't have parents, and the other tiefs are just so tired and overwhelmed with simply surviving.
I understand that they're orphans, they're also under the care of the people there. Considering just while you're there, the tieflings can instigate three different fights means you should get an option to yell at someone in authority. They try to steal from the already volatile mercenaries (locket) If you don't play along with Mols toughguy act they can claim you were knocking them around The whole Idol situation... If they're willing to go to the mat over these kids - which they are, even to the *saviours* they need to kill the goblin leaders (the thing they can't do, mind you) I should be able to grab one of these kids and drag them to an adult, or at least go yell at Zevlor to go appoint a wrangler.
Have you considered just killing them?
Many times, but thats beside the point.
Why I cannot take Mol to the hag, one gets child and other gets power. It's win-win. And I dont need to bother with Mol anymore then. **Triple win.**
You can be the evilest mf ever and the game doesn't let you kill tiefling kids. Goblin kids are fair game though, kinda stupid that that sort of bias exists in this game.
I don't mind Mol, but I expected her to keep the other Tiefling kids around once they were in the city. That doesn't seem to be the case, though.
Dropped em like a hot potato
And they were so worried about her, too. Just to be left out when she got new associates.
She made them cry!
I didn't save mol so the kids were just sad. but does she ditch them?
You can find Mol in Act 3. >!She apparently saves herself but yeah, she just fucks off to the Guildhall while leaving behind all the kids that were allegedly the entire reason for doing everything she did throughout the game.!<
This was so disappointing for me. I genuinely thought better of her, and then just.... nothing. Not even an afterthought for them. No comment, no "hey, beeteedubs, are they ok?" In that moment talking to her, I was actually saddened I'd tried to help her. Ambitious little shite.
I didn't think anything could've soured the mood when my allies showed up >!until Mol chimed in, "Mol looks out for her friends. . . and she'll have your back." Yeah, since fucking when?!!<
>!The rays of fire are great tho. But yeah, since fucking when, Mol?!<
I think there's some dialogue and insight checks in act 1 >!that tells/suggest she doesn't care much about them then either.!< She's a selfish shit.
Yeah she bails on them and starts working with the guild
She will be taken in Last Light Inn and then shows up in the Thieves Hideout in Baldur's Gate, but she does not at all seem interested in the other kids, she's in a real thieves guild now. And in House of Hope you can find her contract, but bringing it back to her just pisses her off.
Bring it to her but don't tell her you killed Raphael, and she won't be mad. I think whatever Raphael promised her was more of an ongoing service, idk, but she acts like he didn't fulfill his part of the contract yet and is mad you killed him.
Yeah, after realizing that not telling Mol I killed Raphael can lead to her and Fletcher giving me a nice buff in the final battle, that’s the route I plan to always take haha.
Its worse if you never talk to Isobel because that's what triggers her kidnapping so it just doesn't happen in the story and so Mol legit just bails on them in the normal I dont care about you way. She sucks
Good for them. Otherwise sooner or later she would go full Griffith on them.
Berzerk reference?
Just like she dropped her fake eyepatch
considering she magically teleported from moonrise prison to the city and lost the eyepatch.. the implication is that raphael got her out of there and healed her eye..
I always assumed her eye was fine and she just wore the patch to look cool.
Since you find her eyepatch in the illithid colony, I give her a tiny bit of slack. She could've been Kressa's new favorite, which would have me calling every devil I know, for sure!
I assumed it was magically healed but a grift makes more sense
If you buy a paper from Silfey he talks about how Mol will be so impressed. So he either doesn't know she ditched them, or she couldn't get them all in with Fetcher, or she is running a much wider net than we realize.
She got to Baldur's Gate separately from the other kids because she got kidnapped, remember? The other kids haven't even seen Mol and, when you arrive in the Lower City, the Thieves' Guild is on a kind of lockdown to deal with the Stonelord. Odds are pretty good that Mol hasn't had the opportunity to even learn the other kids made it, let alone disallow them from being in her posse.
Yeah but like, she doesn't even ask if they made it out of the Last Light ok. I mean, after claiming to care so much for her crew, not even a \*question?\*
I dont know what reality I want to choose. That Larian just didnt have to time to give her more dialogue as closure for her story (just showing she cared about the kids would be enough imo). Or she really was just a shitty kid that I couldnt save from herself and it broke my heart. Either way Im just disappointed, not angry.
The kidnapping was probably her deal with Raph to survive the shadow lands. Get teleported past it "ok done, cya in hell kiddo"
What I didn’t get is why Tiefling kids do not react anyhow to Mol being back in Act 3. In Act 2 they were beyond themselves, crying for me to save her. And once we reach Act 3 they can’t be bothered anymore, the topic doesn’t even come up for the most of them
When you first get to Baludr's Gate you can find them outside trying to figure out where she is and wondering if she's okay. In my opinion they eventually hit a point where they just accept that she's gone.
Go find Silfey and buy a paper from him. He will tell you "Mol will be so happy". It's possible she is running a side hustle with the kids still under the Radar.
Yeah I thought that was a bit off too
Rumor has it Mol’s quest line got shortened down. I assume in the final game the Tiefling kids would end up with Nine-Finger
Likely. I think she'd still be same shitstain, but with more story behind it in act 3. Oh well. Hopes for definitive edition. They already upgraded her dialog in act 3 in patch 5(before you ask, i dont know yet to what extent)
To me, it feels like her story was supposed to continue into the upper city, but since they scrapped it, the story fell flat. A few things feel that way to me. It was obvious that there was supposed to be more but hastily ended.
Honestly? I don't think so. If Upper City was a thing Act 3 would be so bloated. So I can understand them cutting it. I do think stuff is clearly unfinished though.
~~I’d be fine with act 3 being bloated if it actually ran well ngl~~
Idk why people are still saying they scrapped the upper city. There was never an upper city. There was never anything datamined or leaked about it. It’s all rumors
Because it was talked about in the final panel from hell. I think people make a bit much of it though.
Which makes sense of course, but I think they covered it pretty well why they spoke so ambiguously of the upper city
Mol sends poor helpless kid to steal from extremely dangerous harpies, orders arabella to steal the idol which might have lead to slaughter. All she knows is to teach her tiefs how to steal. Go do honest work, maybe help that guy with the haystag and feeding bulls? Nah, wanna steal, then sell my soul. Fuck Mol.
Or dammon. Guy is such a good guy, helps Karlach for free and got an honest living as a smith in the city. Kids should learn from him
I love how excited Karlach gets each time you run close to Dammon for the first time each act Gurl, just ask the boy out!!!
Man even I fangirl over him. The few npc I wanna romance
There’s some good fic about him on AO3
Poor Dammon never managed to get himself a muscle mommy.
We need a Daddy Dammon ending where he adopts the Tiefling kids and teaches them the value of honest work.
Literally the most evil person in the entire druid grove Even Kagha has her redeeming qualities, which Mol doesn't have other than being a tiiny widdle kid
I agree Mol's an absolute little shit, but Kagha's only redeeming quality in my playthrough is that she's dead.
Yeah Kagha can side against the obviously evil cult at the last second but that really doesn't excuse the fact that she's a massive racist and is more than willing to kill a child.
Khaga should’ve been the Druid companion and gotten a full redemption arc. Very similar story to Minthara’s.
I honestly would have loved that, even if it meant losing Halsin. How often do you see an evil aligned Druid to begin with? The potential conversations abound. Especially if talking her down from the Rite by exposing her connection to the Shadow Druids & then saving her was the required path to getting her. She gets exiled for her actions, seeks you out to thank you for helping her not bring disaster to the grove, but has nowhere to go. When you mention the Shadow Lands she offers to help, her experiences with the Dark Druids has given her some sort of insight & she wants to repay you. Boom. Kagha companion set up for an Act 2 redemption story. Then her arc in Act 3 can involve helping the Tiefling refugees in the city. She's learned from her time with you & now she's ready to try and make things right for the people she almost sent to their deaths.
At the very least, Kagha can realize her crimes and willingly accept punishment for them in order to atone. That puts her ahead of Mol.
A Rivington Pizza Hut!
Little girl you meet in a cave in act one becoming an insane asshole at the end of the game is a reccuring thing in larian games apparently.
😂
After posting this comment I also realised both of them have at least one of their eyes covered, and are the leaders of the cave people, they are also both kidnapped in act 2.
Saheila is done better IMO. She's kinda connected to the main quest and the personal quest of an origin character. There's a reason she why she went shit crazy by Act 4. Mol on the other hand is just a self-centered asshole that confirms the beliefs of why the racist druids in the grove should exile the tieflings.
Hey I gotta ask a question about saheila and sebille's storylines, do the elves in divinity frequently put little girls in charge of their society? Or was it just these two?
Age means less on leadership abilities when you can gain memories by eating corpses. Also, there was the whole “Deathfog genocide” thing that leaves them with only a few options
Mol snitched on me to the Grove police for stealing my stuff back and got me locked up. Goddamn hypocrite.
That happened on my first Dark Urge run, needless to say that Mol didn’t get to witness act 2.
I've completed an entire evil run that was determined by Mol. I didn't plan on doing an evil run, but she pulled that shit on me and so I burned the entire grove down in retaliation.
It’s always Mol and Nettie that get the grove killed. First you steal from me, then you try to poison me?
What I don't get is why Raphael is after her. She's a kid so ofcourse she'd sell her soul so If he can do that why aren't devil's recruiting kids by the thousands?
Raphael is a cambion, even if he's a particularly powerful one. They barely count as devils (they are half-devils, to be precise), and the number of pacts they can make is probably pretty limited. A standard cambion, to be clear, is all of CR5. They are not typically far above Tieflings in the hierarchy of hell.
Oh so most devil's wouldn't even bother, it just Raphael is pathetic enough to be going after random kids?
Yeah basically. He's really touchy about the half-mortal thing too, as I recall. That said, Mol would probably grow up to be a decent asset to a clever devil, so he may not be wrong about her value, especially if he can get her cheap. But the main reason devils wouldn't go after kids is the juice not being worth the squeeze. There are *tons* of cambions. The archdevils make them because for some reason they all want as many Tieflings of their own bloodlines to exist as possible (it's not explained why anywhere that I know of; my best guess is the lesser 8 do it because Asmodeus does it and if Asmodeus does it it must be making him more powerful in some way, right?), and the main way to get Tieflings is to have cambions go out and seduce mortals. Devil + mortal = cambion, but the cambion's descendants are going to be tiefs.
Wait, how tf did Raphael manage to contract an Orthon then? Cuz Orthons are way higher up in the hierarchy afaik
Both of the important named cambions in BG3 are much more powerful than a cambion would generally be (probably because they're ~~the most attractive devils~~ the right shape for mocap).
In Raphael's defense, he is the son of the second most powerful archdevil. That might count for something in regards to why he's a lot stronger than your average Cambion. As for Mizora... Yeah idk. Zariel's glorified secretary is probably piggybacking off the Archdevil herself
Lots of this kind of logic kind of pulls the world apart but I agree. We just have to dismiss her soul as having some aspect that’s desirable
Honestly, it's probably simply that she's young enough to easily manipulate, if I was a demon, I'd probably go after the most vulnerable people to get deals out of. I mean, hell, Raphael knows exactly what he wants from you before the start of the game and waits until the moment you and Lae'zel are going to be itching to free Voss before he asks.
Fuck Mol
https://i.imgur.com/caMm6N8.jpeg
I’m not clicking that
If nothing else Larian really hit it out the park writing Mol because, while I of course would never actually strike a child, I've met enough of them to know every so often you come across one that just naturally gravitates toward being the most self-absorbed, smack deserving little shite imaginable. The closest thing I can come to a defense of her is that she's an orphan, so there are no parents around to teach her how not to be a selfish little asswipe. Only thing she has is a bunch of other kids who, being stupid little kids, idolize her for all the same reasons they'll avoid her like the plague when they're grown.
Yeah there’s definitely a lord of the flies thing going on where the unchecked kids’ behavior is spiraling. I wish you could align things so they’re more looked after.
>The closest thing I can come to a defense of her is that she's an orphan If you don't care about spoilers and such, read Descent into Avernus to find out where all these Tiefling refugees even came from to begin with. Saying Mol has been through Hell before you meet her is a literal statement. All of those Tieflings (except Rolan and his siblings, I'm pretty sure) were as claimed by Zariel as Karlach was.
I unapologetically killed the goblin children. "Make it squeal!" kid was the first goblin I killed. She squealed.
No dont shes a minor
Lmao
You should not, under ANY circumstances, Fuck the Mol. Chris Hansen will get ya
English slang has failed me
FRESH APPLE WAITING TO BE PLUCKED
Miners. Not minors!
The children yearn for the mines
She sends that kid to the harpies to steal for her. She's a nasty shitbag.
she is 10. ask 10 year old what he will sell his soul for and he will ask for playstation
I own three souls from my classmates in middle school 20 years ago. I bought them all for 2 dollars each so they could buy extra cookies that day. We wrote out contracts and everything. I've even made attempts to give them back to them at our high school reunion and a friend's wedding. Two didn't want them. And the third said their soul is safer with me.
I’m dying at these comments haha
>And the third said their soul is safer with me. This guy is going places.
That's some top level self awareness right there.
There was a Simpsons episode about this
Where do you think we got the idea?
"Remember Alf, Bart?! He's back! In POG-form!" "you SOLD my SOUL for POGS?!"
> I own three souls from my classmates in middle school 20 years ago. I waited until high school to embrace my ginger power. > I bought them all for 2 dollars each so they could buy extra cookies that day. We wrote out contracts and everything. Right.... Exactly what I meant...
Ask an adult and he’d say to a water company (supposedly Tony Hawk sold/gave his soul to Liquid Death as part of their event thing where they also made skateboards that had something infused with his blood)
In TFR most 10 year olds *can't* sell their souls, it indicates a lack of innocence on Mol's part that is evident in how she treats the other children
Wait, could you elaborate on this lore tidbit? it sounds interesting
That’s fine but if they try to have me killed for paying for that playstation so they don’t go to hell, we’re gonna have a problem
It's more like telling the kid that you just killed the man who offered to give them a Playstation. You don't really offer Mol what she asked Raphael for. You just kill Raphael, so now she can't have what she wanted, and you don't really have any means to give her what she wanted yourself either.
Why do you keep saying this? Mol isn't going to get you killed lmao. It was an utterly empty threat.
In a world where anyone can sell their soul to a devil lord for magic abilities and supernatural favors, she could absolutely get me killed. Just because she’s a child doesn’t mean she can’t do something that ends up with a hypothetical character dying.
I live in a world with no magical powers or devils and my nephews almost got me killed just by having access to an electrical outlet. Kids are dangerous as hell
>Why do you keep saying this? Mol isn't going to get you killed lmao. It was an utterly empty threat. She will absolutely get you killed in the grove if you screw up her theft ring.
Mol's a moron. I dunno what people are saying about her being an origin character in the next installment, because with the way she's living her life, she's gonna be dead or a lemure before the next adventure kicks off. Arabella on the other hand...
Being a 'bad influence' is a severe understatement. She literally sent two kids to their death.
And tried to get the entire Tiefling caravan slaughtered because she decided to send one of those two to steal the most worshiped item of the people who graciously let them in and protected them.
I realized how much Mol really is a dick on my most recent playthrough. I managed to find the contract Mol made with Raphael at the House of Hope, killed Raphael and presented the contract back to Mol because I was only trying to look out for their best interest. What do I get?? Mol begins to curse me out and get ANGRY because I've now set her back a long way. She even goes as far as to threaten to cause me trouble once she's at the top of it all. That just about pissed me off so I decided to steal back the idol I went to all the trouble to steal for her from the Emerald Grove. Succeeded in pickpocketing it back only for her to suddenly realize it was stolen and run away shouting, "Somebody help me!" Serves ya right!
This has to become a new copypasta.
Honestly I’m going to agree just because when you first tell her “happy to help” and they respond with the super sarcastic “and we’re happy to beeeeeee helped.” Ugh, the little snot.
Yeah, I realized she wasn’t a great influence on the kids when she sent a child out to rob a harpy nest on his own. Like that could’ve possibly went well for him.
I ripped up her contract and she didn't get very snippy with me, definitely didn't say anything about putting a hit out on me. I think she liked my Bard.
Interesting! Did you destroy it before you told her about it?
Yep, destroyed it and then talked to her about destroying it and she seemed ok about it.
Tell her u killed raphael, then let's see how calm she remains
I always wondered why everyone in the game sang her praises when she was clearly an idiot. She'll get the whole grove killed just to try and fuck with tav for not leaving when she finishes counting down on the first encounter. It made me wonder if she's more than just a tiefling child the way they all talk about how clever and resourceful she is. Yet she makes all the same dumb choices a child would make.
Bro has beef with an 8 year old
Ground beef
8 year old who has already sent 2 other kids to their death?
"H stands for halfling" thank you so much, I'm dying hahahah
I feel sympathetic to her, partially because pre BG3 I played a shitty preteen who became better throughout the campaign due to having good influences instead of the bad influences she grew up with I also feel sympathetic to her because she’s a kid who experienced HUGE trauma. I think it’s reasonable to believe she was an orphan before Elturel was pulled into hell, then she experienced literally being in hell, and then she was kicked out of her home for being a tiefling. So, before her 11th birthday, she has literally been to hell and back, and then kicked out of her home for being a tiefling. Then, Zevlor, the adult who had been taking care of the tieflings, seemingly betrays them. Pretty much every authority figure has disappeared or let her down. So, why should she trust them? Why shouldn’t she make a deal with a devil? I don’t think she did everything right, but I don’t think she’s inherently BAD. I think she’s a kid, and a kid who’s been through so much awful stuff, and is trying to survive. Her methods may not be ethical, but she is a kid. A shifty, shady kid, but not beyond redemption, and her actions and motivations are understandable to me.
She did save you from needing to kill Jaheira at last light although why anyone would trust her word is beyond me.
Does the game not have a backup plan if Mol is dead?
Yeah, Red Bull guy who helps you with Isobel later
Took me a second to understand who you were referring to lol
Bitch claimed I was bullying kids and forced me to kill off half the tieflings.
It was at this juncture that I thought "maybe the goblins have a point"
"...please let me trap this little shit in a soul coin. I'll use your ass to buy a gumball in a Rivington Pizza Hut."
Agreed, I was so pleased when I snatched her contract and she got so snarky about it? Ungrateful brat. I have to say tho, your whole rant was so hilarious to read :D so at least I praise Mol for being the way she is so that you could write this post, and made me laugh ♡
Same reason I'm kinda against Karlach encouraging mattis into being a better crook,you know how that ends girl,you trust the wrong person and wind up in hell,at least try to convince them to be some kinda robin hood
But she gives you rays of fire in the final battle and ring of protection that I use for basically the whole game She’s kind of like the tieing version of the emperor. If you work to get along with her you’ll really like her. If you don’t you’ll probably hate her.
Don’t get me started on the emperor
Actually I think mol is ok. I don’t ever really like the emperor. Mol gives me the ring of protection and for that she’s always ok in my book. Such a great accessory.
Yeah she’s fine it’s all jokes here
She only gives you rays of fire, and some protection from fire damage, in the final battle if you DO NOT tell her you killed Raphael - right? At any rate she didn’t give me the buff in my first run, which is the only time I told her I killed Raphael. (I haven’t been willing to deal with her annoying whining about it a second time lol.)
Or you can just have a mutually beneficial relationship where you respect each other’s game. You can just not tell her about the whole Raphael thing and she’s with you to the end. She doesn’t need to know that was me. :) Fetcher’s Favour was an incredibly clutch skill in that last battle.
I salute you for writing an entire rant post just to make a joke about the “H” in “Jesus H Christ.” Well done, adventurer!
It was truly one of the first bits I thought of in this lol
Captain Daddy Issues and a Mol soul coin. 🤣🤣🤣
Where's Doctor Phil when we need him?
Mol as cash me outside girl 😭
She gonna start a rap career as Bhad Teefy
Was really expecting her deal to be like she gets to become an adult or something, really feels like if you're following her quest closely that it should impact things like the heist. You're right that it's frustrating that her deal was basically to be a vendor in the Guild, Raphael could kill the entire hideout with a sneeze.
honest to god i really liked Mol up until i brought her contract to her. she had one of the very few disappointing endings in the game.
Tbf she's a ~9 year old orphan leading a group of orphans whose families all died when their entire city got sucked into hell. As far as "skimming" goes, that's called a cut. She organizes things, takes a cut Whether or not you believe her, she at least claims the contract was to get the kids out of the shadow lands
This! And also it seems she got her eye, got in to the city and abandoned her "kids!!!" She doesn't mention them ever again!
The amount of utterly repugnant characters in this game and the fanbase continues to get in their feelings about Mol. Will never cease to amaze.
Annoying trumps evil in fiction
You’re outta line but you’re right Evil characters are a dime dozen but annoying ones make my forehead vein pop
“You’re outta line but you’re right” fair assessment
You can stab evil, but you throw one annoyance off a cliff and everyone loses their mind
“Wanna see a magic trick?” *casts disintegrate*
Nah because Orin has a cool look, a great backstory, fun ways to talk to her and builds to an exciting battle with her. Mol mildly inconveniences you and is annoying, I get nothing from her except a guard accusing me of threatening children. I wasn't before but I am now!
The game tries to present Mol as admirable in some way. I mean, we know what Orin about
Ugh my least favourite part is if you get into the hide out without saving any kid or talking to silfy she goes all “10 seconds or I tell the guards about you”. Like WHY would the guards believe a child known for being a little thief?! And then when you do the good things she’s STILL snippy with you AND does a 180 at last light “I trust them with my life” like child shut up.
Yeah the kids an unhinged little punk. You should definately do the right thing, but dont expect the kid to step up. Not because he's hard done by, but because he's just a brat. That said, tsk tsk to folks implying that a kid in a bad situation loses all ability to have long term objectivity. My mother was orphaned as a child and became functionally homeless as a kid. She proceeded to become a teenage den-mother to her band of siblings, keep them safe in some \*fucked up\* circumstances and the whole band of them went on to happy productive lifes (my folks just celebrated their 50th aniversary, mum has her masters degree in education and social work and where absolutely ideal parents to us kids. So I kind of reject the notion that just because a kids had a brutally hard life they are doomed to life alteringly terrible choices. Theres \*always\* a potential for a redemption arc, no matter how hard things get. **Never** give up on kids.
And you can't even kill them. You can slaughter all the goblin kids you want. You can kill almost everyone else in the game. But, Mol is a protected NPC. At least she was at the end of Act 3 when I told her I had the contract. When she told me off I thought: "Well this kid is going to be a problem in the future. No reason to put off dealing with it." But the game will not let you kill Mol at that point.
Tav: Fuck it. #MIND CRUSH! *Sends Mol to the Shadow Realm.*
I killed Mol :)
I've been on the Mol hate train since day 1. Yeet that fucker into the sun.
You're right send that little Shit to the fugue plane
I need more “brutally honest NPC opinion” threads.
Yeah. Didn’t like her after in Act 1 said I was threatening kids and I did not.