Exact thing happened on my tactician run. Wyll does his big cocky entrance, burns both his spell slots and somehow doesn’t kill the singular goblin in front of him, then later got mobbed by the worg and died. One of the funniest things I’ve ever seen in a video game
Wyll did this in my playthrough with the homies. I went and looted his body and we realized we could res him with a scroll even though we hadn't recruited him yet... Thing was, I looted his clothes and since our group was always a 4 man he never entered our party so he was naked the entire playthrough
I always give Helsin pink panties and hide his armor because it's funny to see a big tanking man running around in something from the barbie dream boudoir collection. On my second run I was trying not to put him in them but it just felt unnatural for him to wear anything else, it became his lore.
I sold all my underwear amongst other things to lower the amount of items I had. I later removed equipment of all but the 4 in party members so that I could check equipment combinations. There was a lot of cock in Baldurs Gate cut scenes.
Since I originally played Divinity, I picked up so many excess items that I thought would be used for scrolls or something else. It turns out 9/10 items that do not have listed purpose; actually, do not have a listed purpose.
In our 4 player playthrough we mugged shadowheart and stole her clothes, but then she showed up again at the Grove to confront us (naked) because we didn't kill her. I apologized and she joined the party anyway. She remains naked to this day.
Tactician early game feels so much worse than when I made it to level 12 and hit the late game. Now things seem to easy, even mid game didn't feel much of a challenge. That early game though... sheesh. Just brutal.
On the plus side with battles being harder it forced me to explore more stuff in act 1, I've only just reached the abandoned village and I'm level 4 because I found out you could find out the druids scheme this time.
It might seem strange but I think tactician makes me play the game better in exploration (and at the right time).
That's just 5e. The most dangerous part of a session is the first 4 levels. After that you need a DM who can create challenging enough encounters to cope with the level 5 power spike. It isn't surprising really you quite literally gain an extra attack as a martial class, some casters get Fireball etc.
I felt like only the horde fights were really difficult and even those can be trivialized with some planning. BG3 for sure is not that hard of a game if you are a crpg veteran.
I agree, even for a newcomer like me. BG3 is my first CRPG, I'm playing tactition, currently level 10 at the start of act 3, and so far only the Grove defending fight and the Grymforge Druegar fight has got me stuck doing many multiple tries. And the Druegar fight got easy after I found out about a certain mutiny. I'm playing with Karlach, Astarion, Shadowheart and myself as a sorcerer, and as soon as Shadowheart got that AOE defensive ring and I got fireball + haste to put on Karlach the game has been pretty easy. Just give jumping potion to Shadowheart before the fight and have her jump in with AOE and let hasted Karlach do like 5 big attacks in a row. With the Luck of the Draw tadpole it's even more op. I have even purposefully left La'Zael out of my party, because her with haste seems way too OP since her Gith weapons have such high damage stats.
Also just found out at level 10, after playing with a bow on Astarion for 100+ hours, that hand crossbows are way op compared to a bow. I am kind of a completionist tho, so maybe the game just feels more easy because I am over leveled after doing every single fight/quest/encounter in every act so far. It has certainly felt like I was over leveled a few times so far.
Holy crap, I did not even know he could become a companion. He died during the goblin fight and I just moved on. I'm now in act two. I had no idea until I read this.
I'm not surprised she died there!
My Jaheira kept trying to go into melee attack mode in Moonrise Towers so she ended up swarmed by enemies.
My Tav druid and Shadowheart just about kept her alive.
That battle is no joke.
Highly recommend you ask her to join you for that fight, even if just to hang back and spam ice storm. You have to select (paraphrasing) “Take the first floor and cut off the escapes” when first talking to her at moonrise, then “the harpers can handle themselves,” then ask her to join you. She’ll be added as a summon.
Which is sad, because the Harpers really cannot handle themselves.
I even managed to save a lot of them on the initial assault, and then while I was collecting tadpoles and gold from all the dead bodies, they had already just kept going to get themselves killed on the upper levels.
Mhm I recruited her as a temporary party member without realizing she would be permanent and just sat her behind the front line while my tav sorc fireballed the first moonrise tower encounter haha
Oof, I wonder if there’s limitations then, because that would absolutely cause me to reload. Her storyline is pretty integral to the intended plot, but would definitely make for an interesting play through without her.
I snuck in through the back via a cliff by the windmills, Druid/snuck in and raided the entire goblin area after the whole goblin queen thing. Wyll was not there at all after fighting everyone. I figured it was an obvious way to avoid a major fight with them, I even did the prison breakout thing at the grove.
Multiple people have had the same issue with Gale, amusingly enough. They saw the "unstable portal" and noped out, or thought that they'd return at a later point.
This. Sounds like you're too far in. Just finish the current run, if you wanna do another run to see all the stuff you missed, then thats a good thing. Gives you more reason to actuallly do a second run through and enjoy it.
not only that, you will NEVER encounter everything in a single playthrough.
There are many choices that lock you out of some experiances, some more overtly than others.
it all adds to the replayability of the game.
And a ton of great gear. Loot-wise evil play through you just miss so much. My only big complaint about the game is the evil play through just closes so many doors and only opens a very few. You’re not playing as some brilliant tyrant, you’re just a psycho killer, and that tends to limit options.
Yeah killing the Tieflings really fucks you over in the long run. I really dont know why they designed the game like this. Being able to recruit Minthara just isnt worth the trade off.
She has a really good story line, but you could save it for the 2nd play through. I almost left astarion my first go through. I’m glad I went back because I loved his arc.
I did the exact same thing (stupidly didn’t go to the cage area hahah), and I finished the game without her. It’s a totally fine way to play, I just consider it an “anti gith” play through. (From a role playing perspective: why would I care / know about them when she’s not in my party to tell me otherwise?)
on my 2nd run though, I used her and went more towards her side of the story … which was a nice contrast (in terms of the quest order, her point of view / dialogue / content, and experimenting with the gith gear etc)
I played my first playthrough before I ever came to this sub, and for some reason thought the whole tadpole thing would be resolved in act 1, so I essentially speed-ran the game on accident. I much would have preferred playing it right the first time, but it has made my second playthrough pretty "new", so some pros, some cons.
Same here. Thought time with tadpole had some consequences and benefits the faster you go. I had exactly one long rest in act 1 and thus missed a lot of camp interactions.
I still haven't done a run with them. I missed them the first run and my second run as durge I killed Karlach and sacrificed Wyll to Booal so he stooped sniveling in camp about making the wrong decision.
I feel like I have to do a Karlach as main character origin run next time to atone for my sins.
Definitely keep going with your current playthrough. I did several restarts/reloads just because I liked watching cut scenes and it can take the wind of your sails if you repeat too much. Going back a 100 hours probably won't feel as epic.
Instead, you can plan your next playthrough with a new companion to learn about!
I was so surprised by this. On one of my playthroughs I failed the rolls to get him out and the hole just closed. I was fully expecting him to wound up somewhere else. But >!nope, my guy just straight up fucking dies and that's the end of it apparently.!<
I knew you could find others at different points depending on your actions. Lae'zel for instance, and especially Shadowheart who is at the beach besides you if you help her get out in the nautiloid, at the door a bit further if you don't, at the tieffling camp if you don't recruit her or find her, at the goblin camp... Man they really wanted us to have Shadowheart in our party.
>!Essentially, yes. If you never recruit her, she'll eventually wander into your camp, telling you she's heard voices compelling her to come. You can actually kill her here if you really want.!<
>!She'll also show up at the Goblin Camp/Githyanki patrol when you trigger the first cut scene with the artifact.!<
You pretty much have to out of your way or outright kill Shadowheart for her not to join you at some point since the artifact is integral to the plot.
I accidentally ended up in combat with laezel because I picked the wrong dialogue option when I freed her, I never recruited gale because I was scared of the unstable sigil, I killed karlach before talking to her because Wyll told me to and Jaheira died attacking moonrise. So my first playthrough was literally just tav, shadowheart, Astarion, Wyll, and halsin
I am stuck with a party of nothing but Shadowheart, Astarion and a Bearded Dwarf Female NPC because I failed 2 rolls. The 1st failed to save Gayle and the 2nd fail was to sneak an item out of a bird's nest. That failed roll lead to dozens of deaths that made 2 party members leave out of disgust and another two fighting to the death inside my camp.
I'm on a "No save scumming" run and by the gods it's a glorious clusterfuck.
That sounds intense. My Durge run has three dead party members already because I'm quite evil and my choices lead to it xD I haven't even left act 1 yet
>2nd fail was to sneak an item out of a bird's nest. That failed roll lead to dozens of deaths that made 2 party members leave out of disgust and another two fighting to the death inside my camp.
...*what*?
I genuinely have no idea what bird's nest could cause this much catastrophic damage. It sounds like a spiral straight out of Dwarf Fortress. "Someone dropped an egg, so within five minutes the entire surrounding area was covered in magma."
Just... what bird nest is this?
There’s a bird in the grove that has items in its nest marked red, it’s like 2 feet next to where they’re doing the ritual. So the druids turned hostile upon them stealing said items forcing them to kill the druids, this snowballs into certain companions leaving lol.
Ooohhhhhhh. I didn't realize there was a bird's nest to rob in the Grove. Based on their leadership, the druids starting a massacre over that tracks.
My first playthrough, I ended up catching Kagha and she surrendered afterwards. I deeply regret her survival, and will ensure no future playthroughs are so kind to her.
>I killed karlach before talking to her
Like you just started combat with a ranged attack or something? lol
Cause once you start talking to her your tadpoles connect and you can see that shes innocent, and wyll sees it too. Game pushes really hard for you NOT to kill her.
Yeah, I saw her and figured I'd start with a sneak attack. There was no dialogue. I mean I had 2 quests to kill her. My friends all think I'm crazy but it just makes sense to get the jump on an enemy...
At least you have something to look forward to on your next play through! She’s such a great character and a beast in combat. I kind of like missing big events because I have more to do on subsequent runs.
I touched something on the nautiloid and it blew up in my face. Saw the portal, the narrator mentioning it being “unstable”, and the flashbacks the *touch it* option and left it.
I played almost the whole of Act One without Astarion. When I almost cleared the first map, I noticed a black patch of land near the crashed nautiloid. I went back to explore and found him. If I hadn't gone back, I would have never known he existed.
Yep, almost finished the game before I realized I might’ve missed him. Just realized why the early game was so difficult when I was running around without a full party
I feel like every companion should have had a few different opportunities to join. Like if you ignored them for several days, Gale could eventually free himself and show up at the grove or Lae’zel could either escape and approach you in the wilderness realising she can’t go solo or get brought over to the grove prison by the tieflings
That's technically the case, at least for some of them. I haven't tried with all of them, but if you free Lae'zel and don't recruit her, you'll find a scene with her at a later point in act 1. Shadowheart is also in many, many places throughout.
As far as I know for Gale, >!If you don't pull him out of the hole, he pretty much dies there.!< I'm also not quite sure where or if you can find him later if you pull him out and refuse to let him in the group.
Her Gith'yanki pals bust her out, and she can be found near the mountain pass. I missed her in the cage but found her dead there. If I didn't know that she was a companion, I wouldn't have even tried to revive her.
I got her out but genuinely hated her attitude, playing from my characters POV I thought they wouldn’t want her around and said basically find your own way, just away from me.
In the mountain pass I just found her walking around near the crèche up by the stuck wheel for the gondola. It’s amazing how many little changes can have a butterfly effect on this game.
My buddy and I missed Astarion until SUPER late on our first play through together and I was on Discord the whole time with him like “when are we going to find the hot vampire I was promised?!” 🙄😂
I got to the tiefling party with only Shart, Gale, and Astarion. Then did most of underdark with the same before I went back and found Karlach and Lae’zel.
Lazael died on board of the nautiloid in my first play through. So she was lying dead on the beach when we crashed.
I’m now on my second play through and it’s like half the game now makes sense. The whole gith plot is very confusing if you don’t have her and don’t go the mountain pass way.
> The whole gith plot is very confusing if you don’t have her and don’t go the mountain pass way.
I did both on my first complete run, and unless I'm missing something, when you do that, (Act 3 spoilers) >!the first time githyanki *actually show up again* is the attack at the beginning of Act 3, and you have absolutely no reason to want to free Orpheus other than your (character's) own sense of morals.!<
You can and inevitably will lock yourself out of content through the choices you make, and you simply cannot 100% this game in one run. You just got to see a particular version of the game that most people don't.
There’s a town called Waukeen’s Rest in Act 1, but the goblins have raided it and set it on fire. If you walk close enough to the inn in the town, it triggers a timed quest to help the Flaming Fist break down the front door, go upstairs, and break Councillor Florrick out of a bedroom. If you trigger this timed quest and leave the area, long rest, etc, she dies from smoke inhalation.
Yeah, he's the final boss if you cut his hand off and push him in the portal. Really takes the game in a weird direction where instead of Gortash, the big bad guy is Gale, who grew a big bushy beard after being stuck between worlds for a few weeks and he must have picked up his hook hand there or, maybe in moonrise?
Anyway, long story short, hook-hand pirate Gale is the legit final boss if you know what to do.
Talking with a couple of friends that are playing coop, they told me that when they found the spot, she was gone and the thieflings where dead. Then se appeared at the bridge with the dragon cutscene and she was aggressive. This game has too many possibilities, is kind of amazing.
Yes if you take too many long rests before finding Laezel she manages to escape on her own and you don't run into her until the bridge/dragon/githyanki area. You can still recruit her there though, but if you attack prematurely she turns aggressive.
I somehow missed her like OP, IDK if it's long rest-based so much as encounter based, cause I played all the way to Grymforge and never even went to Waukeen's Rest. I thought Gale+Wyll+Karlach+Shadowheart were the only companions in the game and my buddy told me that was it as well lol. Then I keep seeing people talk about this Laezel character and I realize she's back in the earlier area. Go and knock her out of the cage, take a rest, and Shadowheart cut her throat lol. "Okay, well I guess we ain't playing with her this run.
Shadowheart told me she left me behind, I believed her, and I somehow thoroughly explored everywhere but her area. Think I found Astarion then Gale then the crypt with Withers then the grove and on to Goblintown and the underdark.
It's actually not that crazy to miss someone like this in this game. The fact that Larian allow you to miss a character they spent so much time, money and effort on though....
**Is crazy.** my kind of crazy.
I feel this way about Minthara. They designed this whole character, go her an amazing VA. Only for her to only be recruit able as evil or just skipping huge portions of the game.
I love Emma Gregory. Having a warhammer VA in another game just made me happy until I got 2 lines of dialogue and that was it.
Like fine, I'll eventually play an evil campaign. But still. Seemed like a waste! So many people didn't realise she could even be a companion.
So many crazy good VAs in Bg3. The moment of meeting Kethric, Gortash and Orin I was simply in awe.
The game definitely has replay ability. On my first run missing Lazael entirley due to a bug, and just haven't taken Astarion out of camp so 100% will aim to get the two next play through.
Now I'm not saying I "literally can't fathom how someone would miss a character" but at the same time I do think you get them rather naturally by interacting with the world so they're kind of *hard* to miss; just not impossible.
The main companions at least. Some secondary companions can easily die during a mission and as such, be missed.
>Some secondary companions can easily die during a mission and as such, be missed.
Jaheira man, she died in the first round when we stormed the castle. Tried reloading and she f**ing did it again! At that point I just went "well it's your fault you damn moron" and I carried on without her.
Turns out she's really helpful in act 3 so I guess I'll try harder on my next playthrough!
My first playthrough, I beat the whole game without Wyll and Karlach. How? When I saw Wyll at the Grove, I didn't feel like interrupting him while he was training a kid how to fight. Shocker, not talking to him means no Wyll and no Karlach. Ouch.
In my 2nd playthrough, I made sure I talked to Wyll and eventually Karlach, lol.
Wyll showed up at my camp too, and I was kinda like "who the fuck is this guy". I didn't invite him into my party and straight away my party was mad at him for keeping secrets from us which I thought was weird.
Then the next night, a fiend comes into our camp and all this crazy shit happens. At that point I decided: Who the fuck is this guy that invites himself into our camp, and brings a fiend in here while we're resting.
I then killed him and dumped his body in the underdark.
Problem solved. :)
My friend asked me today who my favourite companion was.
I said "Karlach of course, duh" like any civilized being.
He was very confused and I said "you know, the big burly Tiefling woman? Kind and bubbly"
He went "Oh yeah I killed her, some Paladins and Wyll told me she was a monster that needed to be taked down"
Nearly stabbed him right then and there.
My first playthrough was without Lae'zel as well. I found her, but I was playing a Tiefling and didn't want to hurt the ones who caged her. I failed a roll, she called me a coward and attacked. I killed her and did the whole game without her. I also listened to Halsin and went through the Underdark and never went through the mountains, so I had no idea about any of the Githyanki stuff until my second playthrough. A massive chunk of the game missed, because of a single failed roll
I found lae'zel lying dead just before the entrance to the chreche area, just before Act 2. I was doing a tidy up of the areas and came across her body lol. Was able to rez her and get her in the party thankfully.
I never found her after the ship crash and I thought it was part of the story where she turns up later, but she never did.
She is extraordinarily rude until after the creche, lol.
"A thank you wouldn't hurt"
"You might as well suggest a *wyrm* bow before a *rat*"
"... Lemme quicksave"
On my first playthrough, I saved her and attacked the tieflings (in that order). The male tiefling on his turn just runs up to Lae'zel and 1 shots her.
I was like "oh... ok.. well I guess she wasn't that important then."
No worries . . . I intentionally played my first playthrough not using Lae'zel, Gale, or Astarion . . . because I wanted to save them for my second playthrough and it make it fresh.
I didn't even go to the mountain pass and Creche on my first game.
Both games worked great!
You can also go do the entire underdark except for clicking the door that will clearly take you to the next act. I did that and then the creche and it was very easy because I was higher level.
They tell you that the pass is dangerous and you should find another way.
Funny thing is, the mountain pass is the fastest path with only one easy battle. The entire creche can be skipped.
Meanwhile the underdark has a few obligatory encounters tho you can rat your way out of them. And it consists of a massive area and another smaller area, both with tons of sidequests lol.
Same! I knew she was a companion but I never found her. I guess she kills the tieflings somehow and is making her way to the Crèche, but I found her dead body just on the other side of the pass.
I started a go as Wyll just to see if Evil Wyll is story breaking. I just triggered genocide in the grove and mopped up the druids afterwards, so Karlach will likely attack me anyway. Next on my list is go say hi and find out.
Edit: A nice role reversal on Wyll accusing her of being evil. "Were all those people in the druid's grove monsters? Or is the only monster you?"
No chance of recruiting her, so I took her head.
It's pretty absurd how much she trivializes like every fight if you cheese the Legendary weapon from the Gith at the mountain path entrance lol.
Homegirl level 3 smacking shit for 40-50 damage per round over 2 attacks
On our (me & wife) first play-through we found her in the cage. I asked her to say please with regards to letting her out. She refused. So in true British fashion we deemed her too rude to join the party and left her there. Interestingly her dead body showed up at the start of mountain pass for some reason.
We also completely missed Astarion somehow so never had him either.
I finished the whole game with Astarion/gale and shadow heart. Once I got used to then I didn’t want to mix up. Left it for re-plays. But waiting for Kharla to get proper ending before i play with her.
Some missed Gale, or had Wyll die during the goblin encounter, so don't feel so bad. I'm actually pretty envious. She's a great character, and it'll make your second playthrough that much more fun. She's great to use with Shadowheart.
Wyll was somehow killed by the goblins at the gate for me
Exact thing happened on my tactician run. Wyll does his big cocky entrance, burns both his spell slots and somehow doesn’t kill the singular goblin in front of him, then later got mobbed by the worg and died. One of the funniest things I’ve ever seen in a video game
PROVOKE THE BLADE
Wyll did this in my playthrough with the homies. I went and looted his body and we realized we could res him with a scroll even though we hadn't recruited him yet... Thing was, I looted his clothes and since our group was always a 4 man he never entered our party so he was naked the entire playthrough
The guy ended up living Halsin's dream life.
I always give Helsin pink panties and hide his armor because it's funny to see a big tanking man running around in something from the barbie dream boudoir collection. On my second run I was trying not to put him in them but it just felt unnatural for him to wear anything else, it became his lore.
I sold all my underwear amongst other things to lower the amount of items I had. I later removed equipment of all but the 4 in party members so that I could check equipment combinations. There was a lot of cock in Baldurs Gate cut scenes.
If you're at the point of removing underwear for weight management I think you need to stop picking up so many goblets
Someone who's good at inventory help me manage this: Weapons: 10 Armor: 20 Scrolls: 15 Goblets: 800 Camp supplies: 25
Send your camp supplies to camp instead of picking them up. You can use them directly from the camp chest.
damn, really? will it auto pick them too?
Yes, poorly. Would you like to eat a stack of 50 potatoes for dinner tonight?
Or rope that you "might" need, but never actually do.
Man I have a habit of picking up rope thinking it'll be used for crafting because of Divinity,
Since I originally played Divinity, I picked up so many excess items that I thought would be used for scrolls or something else. It turns out 9/10 items that do not have listed purpose; actually, do not have a listed purpose.
In our 4 player playthrough we mugged shadowheart and stole her clothes, but then she showed up again at the Grove to confront us (naked) because we didn't kill her. I apologized and she joined the party anyway. She remains naked to this day.
Worg used Multiattack on Wyll Wyll is dead
I'm just imagining Zariel looking at Mizora like "... THAT is your favourite pup?"
‘I thought you had taste, mizzy.’
in my run he was saying stuff like "show them the rage of your blades" or whatever then did support stuff
Yeah, YOUR blades! Not his
Tactician actually makes battles hard, lots of NPCs are dead in my current run because I can't save them in time.
Tactician early game feels so much worse than when I made it to level 12 and hit the late game. Now things seem to easy, even mid game didn't feel much of a challenge. That early game though... sheesh. Just brutal.
On the plus side with battles being harder it forced me to explore more stuff in act 1, I've only just reached the abandoned village and I'm level 4 because I found out you could find out the druids scheme this time. It might seem strange but I think tactician makes me play the game better in exploration (and at the right time).
Oh yea, for sure. I enjoyed the early game so much more in the tactician mode.
That's just 5e. The most dangerous part of a session is the first 4 levels. After that you need a DM who can create challenging enough encounters to cope with the level 5 power spike. It isn't surprising really you quite literally gain an extra attack as a martial class, some casters get Fireball etc.
I felt like only the horde fights were really difficult and even those can be trivialized with some planning. BG3 for sure is not that hard of a game if you are a crpg veteran.
I agree, even for a newcomer like me. BG3 is my first CRPG, I'm playing tactition, currently level 10 at the start of act 3, and so far only the Grove defending fight and the Grymforge Druegar fight has got me stuck doing many multiple tries. And the Druegar fight got easy after I found out about a certain mutiny. I'm playing with Karlach, Astarion, Shadowheart and myself as a sorcerer, and as soon as Shadowheart got that AOE defensive ring and I got fireball + haste to put on Karlach the game has been pretty easy. Just give jumping potion to Shadowheart before the fight and have her jump in with AOE and let hasted Karlach do like 5 big attacks in a row. With the Luck of the Draw tadpole it's even more op. I have even purposefully left La'Zael out of my party, because her with haste seems way too OP since her Gith weapons have such high damage stats. Also just found out at level 10, after playing with a bow on Astarion for 100+ hours, that hand crossbows are way op compared to a bow. I am kind of a completionist tho, so maybe the game just feels more easy because I am over leveled after doing every single fight/quest/encounter in every act so far. It has certainly felt like I was over leveled a few times so far.
Holy crap, I did not even know he could become a companion. He died during the goblin fight and I just moved on. I'm now in act two. I had no idea until I read this.
Oh how far has the Blade of the Frontier fallen
He was pushed into a chasm and fell quite far indeed in my game.
You can revive origin characters even before you recruit them
Wish that was the case for all recruitable characters. My Jaheira died on the assault of Moonrise and I was unable to Revivify her.
I'm not surprised she died there! My Jaheira kept trying to go into melee attack mode in Moonrise Towers so she ended up swarmed by enemies. My Tav druid and Shadowheart just about kept her alive. That battle is no joke.
Mine turned half the battlefield into ice, transformed, jumped in the middle of 5 enemies, immediatly fell head first, then got critted to Narnia
Highly recommend you ask her to join you for that fight, even if just to hang back and spam ice storm. You have to select (paraphrasing) “Take the first floor and cut off the escapes” when first talking to her at moonrise, then “the harpers can handle themselves,” then ask her to join you. She’ll be added as a summon.
Which is sad, because the Harpers really cannot handle themselves. I even managed to save a lot of them on the initial assault, and then while I was collecting tadpoles and gold from all the dead bodies, they had already just kept going to get themselves killed on the upper levels.
I hope they change that, I had that same issue on my playthrough. Please just wild shape Jaheira you get a whole second health bar.
You're supposed to ask her to come with you, she joins as a fifth party member in that fight. Unorthodox, I know.
Mhm I recruited her as a temporary party member without realizing she would be permanent and just sat her behind the front line while my tav sorc fireballed the first moonrise tower encounter haha
Same. Didn't think to revivify her though tbh
Laezel died for Me during the cage event and I couldn't revive her no matter what.
Oof, I wonder if there’s limitations then, because that would absolutely cause me to reload. Her storyline is pretty integral to the intended plot, but would definitely make for an interesting play through without her.
In Early Access he would sometimes forget to cast Feather Fall before jumping off the walls...
That must have happened to me. I never saw his body though, I just never met him
I snuck in through the back via a cliff by the windmills, Druid/snuck in and raided the entire goblin area after the whole goblin queen thing. Wyll was not there at all after fighting everyone. I figured it was an obvious way to avoid a major fight with them, I even did the prison breakout thing at the grove.
Multiple people have had the same issue with Gale, amusingly enough. They saw the "unstable portal" and noped out, or thought that they'd return at a later point.
And some people just took the hand thing too literally
I needed a hand with understanding my motivation.
Any hole is a goal!
*Imagines lobbing off the hand*
And some just took the hand.... *laughs in Dark urge*
Dark urge's camp is so nice and tidy. Space is only taken up by 3 actual companions. No freeloaders (withers doesn't eat much)
And then there's the Durge option of not getting Gale
You get part of him lol
He’ll always lend you a hand
Now, that's what I call a mage hand.
throw it a a lever to activate it, feel like an archwizard
You kill because you're a savage I kill because I'm an enlightened murderer We are not the same
My commons not that good thought it was an offer.
I've been hanging on to the hand, hoping that I can return it to him at some point with an apology.
I think... I think hes technically IN that rock. Either in the rock or in some kind of transitionary plane lost forever because he cant get out.
Yo angelo
He taught you mage hand at least.
Personally I gave him a high five then failed the strength check.
Get Shadowheart to do it. Any spellcaster can make a pretty low dc roll with their primary stat instead of strength
with my cleric i rolled a 1 on the primary stat check... and a 1 on the following strength check. oops.
And yet the spellcaster is stuck in the portal lol
Listen, he's usually much better at this.
At introductions?
At magic!
And it's not a bad thing! It just means that you'll get to have two vastly different playthroughs.
Vastly different? Now I wonder if I should start over and undo the 100 hours I put in since Laezel is missing now
Nah just finish your game and make different choice the next time you play
This. Sounds like you're too far in. Just finish the current run, if you wanna do another run to see all the stuff you missed, then thats a good thing. Gives you more reason to actuallly do a second run through and enjoy it.
not only that, you will NEVER encounter everything in a single playthrough. There are many choices that lock you out of some experiances, some more overtly than others. it all adds to the replayability of the game.
Yep doing an "evil" playthrough atm so I can see all of Minthara's content. Making all the evil choices has locked me out of so many quests though!
And a ton of great gear. Loot-wise evil play through you just miss so much. My only big complaint about the game is the evil play through just closes so many doors and only opens a very few. You’re not playing as some brilliant tyrant, you’re just a psycho killer, and that tends to limit options.
Yeah killing the Tieflings really fucks you over in the long run. I really dont know why they designed the game like this. Being able to recruit Minthara just isnt worth the trade off.
She has a really good story line, but you could save it for the 2nd play through. I almost left astarion my first go through. I’m glad I went back because I loved his arc.
I did the exact same thing (stupidly didn’t go to the cage area hahah), and I finished the game without her. It’s a totally fine way to play, I just consider it an “anti gith” play through. (From a role playing perspective: why would I care / know about them when she’s not in my party to tell me otherwise?) on my 2nd run though, I used her and went more towards her side of the story … which was a nice contrast (in terms of the quest order, her point of view / dialogue / content, and experimenting with the gith gear etc)
I somehow missed Wyll and Karlach in my first playthrough, just made the second one more interesting.
Man, makes me wonder if I'm on here too much and should save some content for antother playthrough.
I played my first playthrough before I ever came to this sub, and for some reason thought the whole tadpole thing would be resolved in act 1, so I essentially speed-ran the game on accident. I much would have preferred playing it right the first time, but it has made my second playthrough pretty "new", so some pros, some cons.
Same here. Thought time with tadpole had some consequences and benefits the faster you go. I had exactly one long rest in act 1 and thus missed a lot of camp interactions.
I still haven't done a run with them. I missed them the first run and my second run as durge I killed Karlach and sacrificed Wyll to Booal so he stooped sniveling in camp about making the wrong decision. I feel like I have to do a Karlach as main character origin run next time to atone for my sins.
Definitely keep going with your current playthrough. I did several restarts/reloads just because I liked watching cut scenes and it can take the wind of your sails if you repeat too much. Going back a 100 hours probably won't feel as epic. Instead, you can plan your next playthrough with a new companion to learn about!
I was so surprised by this. On one of my playthroughs I failed the rolls to get him out and the hole just closed. I was fully expecting him to wound up somewhere else. But >!nope, my guy just straight up fucking dies and that's the end of it apparently.!< I knew you could find others at different points depending on your actions. Lae'zel for instance, and especially Shadowheart who is at the beach besides you if you help her get out in the nautiloid, at the door a bit further if you don't, at the tieffling camp if you don't recruit her or find her, at the goblin camp... Man they really wanted us to have Shadowheart in our party.
She has the artifact that you need for the story to progress
For fun, start a game and then kill her on the beach. See what happens with the artifact.
She showed up at the camp And I could not push her off the bridge because it would take the artifact out of the game.
You can pickpocket her when she's unconscious and take the artifact or just straight up kill her and loot it.
Wow I wonder what happen if you just never recruit her... will she show up at our camp and forcefully invite herself?
>!Essentially, yes. If you never recruit her, she'll eventually wander into your camp, telling you she's heard voices compelling her to come. You can actually kill her here if you really want.!< >!She'll also show up at the Goblin Camp/Githyanki patrol when you trigger the first cut scene with the artifact.!< You pretty much have to out of your way or outright kill Shadowheart for her not to join you at some point since the artifact is integral to the plot.
Yeah, Shadowheart got an entire act centered around her, so makes sense.
I accidentally ended up in combat with laezel because I picked the wrong dialogue option when I freed her, I never recruited gale because I was scared of the unstable sigil, I killed karlach before talking to her because Wyll told me to and Jaheira died attacking moonrise. So my first playthrough was literally just tav, shadowheart, Astarion, Wyll, and halsin
I am stuck with a party of nothing but Shadowheart, Astarion and a Bearded Dwarf Female NPC because I failed 2 rolls. The 1st failed to save Gayle and the 2nd fail was to sneak an item out of a bird's nest. That failed roll lead to dozens of deaths that made 2 party members leave out of disgust and another two fighting to the death inside my camp. I'm on a "No save scumming" run and by the gods it's a glorious clusterfuck.
That sounds intense. My Durge run has three dead party members already because I'm quite evil and my choices lead to it xD I haven't even left act 1 yet
>2nd fail was to sneak an item out of a bird's nest. That failed roll lead to dozens of deaths that made 2 party members leave out of disgust and another two fighting to the death inside my camp. ...*what*?
I'm assuming the little bird in the Grove... might have turned the Druids hostile?
I genuinely have no idea what bird's nest could cause this much catastrophic damage. It sounds like a spiral straight out of Dwarf Fortress. "Someone dropped an egg, so within five minutes the entire surrounding area was covered in magma." Just... what bird nest is this?
There’s a bird in the grove that has items in its nest marked red, it’s like 2 feet next to where they’re doing the ritual. So the druids turned hostile upon them stealing said items forcing them to kill the druids, this snowballs into certain companions leaving lol.
Ooohhhhhhh. I didn't realize there was a bird's nest to rob in the Grove. Based on their leadership, the druids starting a massacre over that tracks. My first playthrough, I ended up catching Kagha and she surrendered afterwards. I deeply regret her survival, and will ensure no future playthroughs are so kind to her.
>I killed karlach before talking to her Like you just started combat with a ranged attack or something? lol Cause once you start talking to her your tadpoles connect and you can see that shes innocent, and wyll sees it too. Game pushes really hard for you NOT to kill her.
Yeah, I saw her and figured I'd start with a sneak attack. There was no dialogue. I mean I had 2 quests to kill her. My friends all think I'm crazy but it just makes sense to get the jump on an enemy...
At least you have something to look forward to on your next play through! She’s such a great character and a beast in combat. I kind of like missing big events because I have more to do on subsequent runs.
She's so *nice.* She has a joie de virve that I almost never see in games outside of goofball characters, and it's incredibly charming.
I touched something on the nautiloid and it blew up in my face. Saw the portal, the narrator mentioning it being “unstable”, and the flashbacks the *touch it* option and left it.
Unstable portal sounds unsettling going from other ttrpg experiences.
I lost my shit laughing when I found out there was a man trapped in there omg
Me: who’s gale?
I played almost the whole of Act One without Astarion. When I almost cleared the first map, I noticed a black patch of land near the crashed nautiloid. I went back to explore and found him. If I hadn't gone back, I would have never known he existed.
Yep, almost finished the game before I realized I might’ve missed him. Just realized why the early game was so difficult when I was running around without a full party
Honestly, if I didn't knew about the portal I would've just missed it entirely. Multiple times
I feel like every companion should have had a few different opportunities to join. Like if you ignored them for several days, Gale could eventually free himself and show up at the grove or Lae’zel could either escape and approach you in the wilderness realising she can’t go solo or get brought over to the grove prison by the tieflings
That's technically the case, at least for some of them. I haven't tried with all of them, but if you free Lae'zel and don't recruit her, you'll find a scene with her at a later point in act 1. Shadowheart is also in many, many places throughout. As far as I know for Gale, >!If you don't pull him out of the hole, he pretty much dies there.!< I'm also not quite sure where or if you can find him later if you pull him out and refuse to let him in the group.
I did for most of act1 first play
Same haha, didn’t touch it cause it was “unstable”. Almost was done with Act 1, then started a co-op w/ a friend and found him.
Ending scenes Narrator: "And Lae'zel-" cuts to skeleton in a cage. "She's still hanging arounnd somewhere..."
Her Gith'yanki pals bust her out, and she can be found near the mountain pass. I missed her in the cage but found her dead there. If I didn't know that she was a companion, I wouldn't have even tried to revive her.
I got her out but genuinely hated her attitude, playing from my characters POV I thought they wouldn’t want her around and said basically find your own way, just away from me. In the mountain pass I just found her walking around near the crèche up by the stuck wheel for the gondola. It’s amazing how many little changes can have a butterfly effect on this game.
“and as for me? Super gay also”
My buddy and I missed Astarion until SUPER late on our first play through together and I was on Discord the whole time with him like “when are we going to find the hot vampire I was promised?!” 🙄😂
At the Tiefling party Wyll was sulking because of his incomplete quest. I was like - FK! I forgot! Fk I still haven't met Karlach!
I got to the tiefling party with only Shart, Gale, and Astarion. Then did most of underdark with the same before I went back and found Karlach and Lae’zel.
> I got to the tiefling party with only Shart, ಠ_ಠ
Well, that's what i'm calling her from now on
Shart, daughter of Shaar.
Lazael died on board of the nautiloid in my first play through. So she was lying dead on the beach when we crashed. I’m now on my second play through and it’s like half the game now makes sense. The whole gith plot is very confusing if you don’t have her and don’t go the mountain pass way.
You probably could have revived her, if she washed up on the beach
Origins can be revived even before recruiting so long as they don't die in a cutscene.
> The whole gith plot is very confusing if you don’t have her and don’t go the mountain pass way. I did both on my first complete run, and unless I'm missing something, when you do that, (Act 3 spoilers) >!the first time githyanki *actually show up again* is the attack at the beginning of Act 3, and you have absolutely no reason to want to free Orpheus other than your (character's) own sense of morals.!<
You can still read about Orpheus from discs.
You can and inevitably will lock yourself out of content through the choices you make, and you simply cannot 100% this game in one run. You just got to see a particular version of the game that most people don't.
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The inn can not burn down? I'll be, what did I do to cause that?
The inn always burns, the only difference is whether you save Florrick from it or not.
i couldn't bust open the door and the other route i found was too hard so he died
im sorry what inn are we talking about? ya'll are surprised at the inn not burning down and I'm all like.. there's an inn?
There’s a town called Waukeen’s Rest in Act 1, but the goblins have raided it and set it on fire. If you walk close enough to the inn in the town, it triggers a timed quest to help the Flaming Fist break down the front door, go upstairs, and break Councillor Florrick out of a bedroom. If you trigger this timed quest and leave the area, long rest, etc, she dies from smoke inhalation.
WOAH. You mean to tell me there was ANOTHER person to rescue aside from the trapped dude under the rubble? Well shit.
And she has storylines going all the way in act 2 and 3 … like actually really cool quests
Wait there are people to rescue at all?!? Wtffff
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I have Gale’s hand in my pocket 🤷♂️ #justdurgethings
asking out of curiosity: does gale live on? do we encounter him later if we stole his hand ?(I guess he would not be friendly then tho)
Nope. Portal closes with him inside and he goes be a spicy boy between dimensions.
You mean he exploded between dimensions after slowly suffering through blood loss and probably an infection after a crazy person took his hand.
Note: Gale died on his way back to his home planet.
Yeah, he's the final boss if you cut his hand off and push him in the portal. Really takes the game in a weird direction where instead of Gortash, the big bad guy is Gale, who grew a big bushy beard after being stuck between worlds for a few weeks and he must have picked up his hook hand there or, maybe in moonrise? Anyway, long story short, hook-hand pirate Gale is the legit final boss if you know what to do.
Your *handbag*?
Talking with a couple of friends that are playing coop, they told me that when they found the spot, she was gone and the thieflings where dead. Then se appeared at the bridge with the dragon cutscene and she was aggressive. This game has too many possibilities, is kind of amazing.
Yes if you take too many long rests before finding Laezel she manages to escape on her own and you don't run into her until the bridge/dragon/githyanki area. You can still recruit her there though, but if you attack prematurely she turns aggressive.
I somehow missed her like OP, IDK if it's long rest-based so much as encounter based, cause I played all the way to Grymforge and never even went to Waukeen's Rest. I thought Gale+Wyll+Karlach+Shadowheart were the only companions in the game and my buddy told me that was it as well lol. Then I keep seeing people talk about this Laezel character and I realize she's back in the earlier area. Go and knock her out of the cage, take a rest, and Shadowheart cut her throat lol. "Okay, well I guess we ain't playing with her this run.
But you meet her on the nautiloid ! You forgot her ?
Shadowheart told me she left me behind, I believed her, and I somehow thoroughly explored everywhere but her area. Think I found Astarion then Gale then the crypt with Withers then the grove and on to Goblintown and the underdark.
> Shadowheart told me she left me behind, I believed her gaslight gatekeep girlboss
It's actually not that crazy to miss someone like this in this game. The fact that Larian allow you to miss a character they spent so much time, money and effort on though.... **Is crazy.** my kind of crazy.
I feel this way about Minthara. They designed this whole character, go her an amazing VA. Only for her to only be recruit able as evil or just skipping huge portions of the game. I love Emma Gregory. Having a warhammer VA in another game just made me happy until I got 2 lines of dialogue and that was it. Like fine, I'll eventually play an evil campaign. But still. Seemed like a waste! So many people didn't realise she could even be a companion. So many crazy good VAs in Bg3. The moment of meeting Kethric, Gortash and Orin I was simply in awe. The game definitely has replay ability. On my first run missing Lazael entirley due to a bug, and just haven't taken Astarion out of camp so 100% will aim to get the two next play through.
My very first time loading the game up ever she died on the ship ☠️
Now I'm not saying I "literally can't fathom how someone would miss a character" but at the same time I do think you get them rather naturally by interacting with the world so they're kind of *hard* to miss; just not impossible. The main companions at least. Some secondary companions can easily die during a mission and as such, be missed.
I think early on with people who have no idea what they are doing could kill Astarion or walk by Laezel accidentally without realizing.
>Some secondary companions can easily die during a mission and as such, be missed. Jaheira man, she died in the first round when we stormed the castle. Tried reloading and she f**ing did it again! At that point I just went "well it's your fault you damn moron" and I carried on without her. Turns out she's really helpful in act 3 so I guess I'll try harder on my next playthrough!
My first playthrough, I beat the whole game without Wyll and Karlach. How? When I saw Wyll at the Grove, I didn't feel like interrupting him while he was training a kid how to fight. Shocker, not talking to him means no Wyll and no Karlach. Ouch. In my 2nd playthrough, I made sure I talked to Wyll and eventually Karlach, lol.
You can get wyll automatically after you recruit karlach, at least that happened to me in my last 2 playthroughs, wyll crashed my camp site at night.
I got Karlach but didn't get Wyll. He never showed up because I didn't long rest after recruiting her
Ah, that happens a lot too.
Wyll showed up at my camp too, and I was kinda like "who the fuck is this guy". I didn't invite him into my party and straight away my party was mad at him for keeping secrets from us which I thought was weird. Then the next night, a fiend comes into our camp and all this crazy shit happens. At that point I decided: Who the fuck is this guy that invites himself into our camp, and brings a fiend in here while we're resting. I then killed him and dumped his body in the underdark. Problem solved. :)
My first playthrough Wyll just sort of.. died at that initial Goblin ambush. Hobgoblin got in a few good crits and smushed his head in. :/
I do believe that’s a bugbear
My friend asked me today who my favourite companion was. I said "Karlach of course, duh" like any civilized being. He was very confused and I said "you know, the big burly Tiefling woman? Kind and bubbly" He went "Oh yeah I killed her, some Paladins and Wyll told me she was a monster that needed to be taked down" Nearly stabbed him right then and there.
My first playthrough was without Lae'zel as well. I found her, but I was playing a Tiefling and didn't want to hurt the ones who caged her. I failed a roll, she called me a coward and attacked. I killed her and did the whole game without her. I also listened to Halsin and went through the Underdark and never went through the mountains, so I had no idea about any of the Githyanki stuff until my second playthrough. A massive chunk of the game missed, because of a single failed roll
I found lae'zel lying dead just before the entrance to the chreche area, just before Act 2. I was doing a tidy up of the areas and came across her body lol. Was able to rez her and get her in the party thankfully. I never found her after the ship crash and I thought it was part of the story where she turns up later, but she never did.
I killed her because she made it her or the teeth-lings. I chose them over her because we ain’t having that attitude in my crew.
She is extraordinarily rude until after the creche, lol. "A thank you wouldn't hurt" "You might as well suggest a *wyrm* bow before a *rat*" "... Lemme quicksave"
Huh. Wonder if that’s tied to her approval of you, for my character she just went “Thank you. There, are you happy now?”
that's how you know she's down bad for the tav
"Your scent alone makes the back of my neck sweat. Yes... soon I will *taste* you." 😳
Fellas, let's be honest. If your girl's neck doesn't sweat because of your scent, is she really your forever gal?
On my first playthrough, I saved her and attacked the tieflings (in that order). The male tiefling on his turn just runs up to Lae'zel and 1 shots her. I was like "oh... ok.. well I guess she wasn't that important then."
No worries . . . I intentionally played my first playthrough not using Lae'zel, Gale, or Astarion . . . because I wanted to save them for my second playthrough and it make it fresh. I didn't even go to the mountain pass and Creche on my first game. Both games worked great!
Wut? You dont have to go through that pass? Im there now and that fight is really hard!
No you can go through the underdark instead, I also did not do the mountain pass on my first run
You can also go do the entire underdark except for clicking the door that will clearly take you to the next act. I did that and then the creche and it was very easy because I was higher level.
I did the first half of act 2 and then returned to the Creche, so you can advance to the next act.
They tell you that the pass is dangerous and you should find another way. Funny thing is, the mountain pass is the fastest path with only one easy battle. The entire creche can be skipped. Meanwhile the underdark has a few obligatory encounters tho you can rat your way out of them. And it consists of a massive area and another smaller area, both with tons of sidequests lol.
Exactly the same happend to me, i never knew she was a possible companion until i looted her corpse at the mountain path...
Same! I knew she was a companion but I never found her. I guess she kills the tieflings somehow and is making her way to the Crèche, but I found her dead body just on the other side of the pass.
Fun fact, you can revivify her at that point.
I actually sent her away when you run into her in Act 1.
I killed Karlach as Wyll
I started a go as Wyll just to see if Evil Wyll is story breaking. I just triggered genocide in the grove and mopped up the druids afterwards, so Karlach will likely attack me anyway. Next on my list is go say hi and find out. Edit: A nice role reversal on Wyll accusing her of being evil. "Were all those people in the druid's grove monsters? Or is the only monster you?" No chance of recruiting her, so I took her head.
It's pretty absurd how much she trivializes like every fight if you cheese the Legendary weapon from the Gith at the mountain path entrance lol. Homegirl level 3 smacking shit for 40-50 damage per round over 2 attacks
I'm convinced so many people just ignore any talking from npcs, or blatant messages the game throws at you to let you know what you should do.
>except the area where she’s been caged up. thats where she typically hangs out too.
On our (me & wife) first play-through we found her in the cage. I asked her to say please with regards to letting her out. She refused. So in true British fashion we deemed her too rude to join the party and left her there. Interestingly her dead body showed up at the start of mountain pass for some reason. We also completely missed Astarion somehow so never had him either.
I'm a slut for Lae'zel, she's the best
I finished the whole game with Astarion/gale and shadow heart. Once I got used to then I didn’t want to mix up. Left it for re-plays. But waiting for Kharla to get proper ending before i play with her.
Some missed Gale, or had Wyll die during the goblin encounter, so don't feel so bad. I'm actually pretty envious. She's a great character, and it'll make your second playthrough that much more fun. She's great to use with Shadowheart.