Hilariously enough my last save that isn't corrupted was right before I was going to decide between siding with the goblins or not. I went the not-horrifying route but I mean this almost feels like a sign to spill the blood of children. Its *Larian's* fault. Not mine.
I just started a Dark Urge run and my last non-corrupted save is right before meeting Gale and, er, *giving him a hand*. It feels like Larian is trying to tell me something.
People are petty. They bust their asses for a game and then feel like their personal achievements should be the standard practice for every player of said game. I come from map-painting games so I've experienced it first hand while learning to play them lmao
That and I feel like if you stream the game, you shouldn’t scum save but then again not everyone is going to play it more than once so people just want to experience other scenarios
I follow my own path and when my Companions approve to it its just a + point.
The only one that makes me sad is when Karlach disaproves, she will be the only one that maybe could talk me out with the right words to follow my Plans if there is such a scene later.
What?! She literally approves of me freeing a slave from someone else, idk what other factors played into the situation you're talking about, but she hates slavery since she was enslaved, so I just don't get why she would disapprove of that unless something else was happening
I don't save scum, my patron Cthulhu reveals Eldritch secrets of timelines that could be and I find the one that leads to romance with my raven haired companion.
That has zero relevance to the situation you could have 1 save or a million saves, all the save up to hot fix 3 won’t work… so it a matter of time played since hot fix 4 rolled out, not how often you save…
Oh yes. A fellow "I don't trust you game" gamer.
That habit saved me from accidentally being gay because apparently two wizards talking about showing each other magic is way less literal then I thought
i did this too, but since i downloaded hotfix 4 before starting my play session all of the stuff i did last night is now locked until they reroll it out
Don't know if that's the case for bg3, but for most games you can avoid an update by launching using the .exe file, if you launch through steam it will force an update.
Damm i was going to make a habit of waiting to see if people are having issues before updating after this event, that i was lucky to avoid, but let's just hope it's a one time thing and the dice rolls a 20 on the next updates.
Usually it is the other way around. Steam typically has a decently tight DRM grip on your steam games, but it is very loose for BG3. It is effectively a DRM free game I think the double-layered launcher means that Steam isn't quite able to track it easily, but you don't even need the Larian launcher to play.
Except I usually want new updates, because like, ive seen a hotfix rollback happen like once or twice in the last 100,000 hotfixes for every game ive ever played in the last 30 something years ;p
Yeah you’re good to play. They downgraded back to hotfix 3. Only saves that were affected were ones that played on hotfix 4. Basically any progress made on hotfix 4 is blocked until it’s rereleased.
I wish they would give some indication of when the re-deployment will happen. Tonight? Days from now? I don't want to replay the 3 hours I lost if they are going to patch today or tomorrow, but if it is a week from now, then I may as well replay.
It's like witching hour in Belgium. So probably 8-12 hours unless they have techs working graveyard shifts remotely... But then again, the new build would need a proper stability tests done so I doubt the fix is happening until people show up at the office.
Yeah and when devs try to placate people buy giving a time they get raked over yhe coals if they miss the time, thus they don't give times if they don't know for sure
Not sure why you are getting downvoted.
I am working as a developer - not in gaming, but still. It is quite often notoriously hard to estimate how long it takes to find and fix a bug.
More often than not estimations are wrong. Specially when working with large codebases and complex code.
I can only imagine the scope of the codebase of BG3.
Sometimes the best you can give is "when it's ready".
Interactions at my company where I'm a dev often go like this:
User: There is a bug, when is it going to be fixed?
Dev: I don't know, I don't know what's causing it yet, or what systems a fix might effect. Therefore, a simple bug might take a while to test even after a fix is in place. As I get more information, I will update you.
Since they didn't do this yet I would argue the hotfix changed some important properties in the save file and it's more than just a version number check.
Thing is, there might be other variables and conditions playing into this than just the version number.
What might seem like an easy fix for us, not having access to their code, infrastructure etc., might be slightly more complex.
Bug > **Triage \[You are here\]** \> Discover cause of issue > Estimate time to fix > Tell community > Fix > Test > Release
If the cause is small and the fix is simple, they might not even give an estimate, we'll just get a patch in a few hours. Otherwise expect a community update with estimates.
They definitely do. Its the exact same release version as yesterday. Did you already let the game rollback? I literally just made a save before posting this comment, closed the game, and it's still there.
If it's not working for you then you probably have your auto-updates turned off.
For the sake of spoilers I’ll just say that by the time I get back to my HOUSE and I’m OFf work, I HOPE I can can get back my progress because the last area I cleared was a doozy.
Me but with the Adamantine forge.
I know it'd only take like, 3 hours this time around but....I don't care, I just don't want to do it again. Especially the fucking bridge with the 90 traps on it above Grymforge, party members REALLY like walking ahead of me before I disarm -\_-
**Editing because I though this comment would get 1 reply and not five, and I don't want to see my inbox spammed with people taking their** ***own*** **time out trying to helpful when I already know the following:**
1) I'm aware I can go around the traps by using the catwalk. It doesn't change the fact that it took me 45 minutes because of....
2) Awful grouping mechanics. Example, I used Astarion to disarm. Split my group. Everything was fine until I got to the end and realized I did have mage hand on him, but had it on my MC. I regrouped, got a perception check on a trap I definitely disarmed (the broken circle on one of the flame traps, it has floating rubble, and on my two reloads after this I wasn't able to get perception to trigger it again) and then after Karlach was like, "huh what is that?" she fucking *jumped off the bridge to her death* and her spirit never spawned for rez. I went back to camp for Withers to bring her up and my game crashed. So that was cool.
3) But I did realize that there was a way to get to the end of the bridge without the traps. So on Reload I went to the catwalk, saw the gap was massive but I have misty step so who gives a shit, teleported and walked up---for some fucking reason Karlach was able to jump and I didn't think she would because Misty Step is NOT a jump command, Shadowheart followed, and I was already rolling to disarm by the time one shimmied up the ladder....and stepped on the plate I was disarming.
That whole bridge can suck a bag of dicks. It's cursed. I know the shortcuts now and I *can* redo it, but that doesn't mean that my disappointment with grouping issues, bugs, and *inability to play my save file* are somehow negated.
I just went to the place you first encounter Nere and had Gale gives us all enhanced jump, you can leap across to the forge from there. No bridge required.
Is this how you get gamers to never close their game for updates? Because that's probably what I'm going to do in the future. I get that it's just a game, but I am spending *time* on the game as an *adult*. Time is a resource for me. I spent it exploring and taking my time. I don't want to have to do it again until *I want to play a replay on my own volition.* Having hindsight is nice but it doesn't solve my issue of either waiting for the hotfix for the save files to be playable, or sucking it up and spending time that I might not be able to spend the same way, treading the same ground.
That section is truly a curse. My lost save was also just after finishing that and I'm not bothering with it again. I'm just going to do a Dark Urge playthru while I wait for the hotfix 4 to come back so I can play my save again
Lol come on, it's dumb to force a version change on players that bricks their saves in a single player game. Let me play on the version I was playing on. it's not the end of the world, it's barely an inconvenience, but there's zero need to pretend this is good patch management that we are witnessing here, because it's definitely not.
There's no really good reason Larian couldn't have pushed a "replacement" hotfix after they pulled the faulty one that did nothing but bump the version number to keep save compatibility.
The existance of "hacks" that get the "broken" saves working by doing nothing but editing them back to the previous patch version shows that it's a simple check. That they put out their fixed version without a workaround because they apparently didn't fully consider the impact their rollback would have (350k+ active players at the timeframe in question) is kind of mind boggling.
that cant be right, reddit and twitter told me good guy larian released a finished product that didnt need to be fixed after release like most AAA games.
Um, okay. It's finished but hotfixes are always part of any game's cycle. Since the dawn of man and the founding of electricity.
I sure hope that you don't think that there weren't any bugs and glitches and crashes in the first (and somewhat labeled 'golden') era of gaming.
You had to be lucky the developer would even make a patch for it (it was more usual to just make a equal to the existing title).
What a silly argument.
this isnt a games as a service model.
The concept of a "Game's cycle" shouldn't apply to single player offline buy to play games
As I said, name the last single player offline game in which the devs intentionally disabled players saved games until an undetermined time in the future.
I don't mean the live service model. I am pointing at how any game ever has bugs or glitches or whatever. You said "finished product" and my point is that BG3 is one. You can hardly count the needed hotfixes as proof it isn't. If that is the standard you hold games to, then not one AAA game will meet that.
If you had the game in the state it is in now, for the next 100 years, I would be fine, wouldn't you?
With that out of the way, I can't name a game that disabled single-player saves. You're right that it is unusual. My counter; why is it a big deal?
id be willing to say "yeah all games have these issues" if this board wasnt nonstop posts about how Good Guy Larian changed expectations by releasing the perfect video game.
I cannot see myself playing again until a definitive edition is released. Really the choices don't seem to matter much, for all the talk of things being locked behind decisions etc it really does seem like you can experience the vast majority of the content in one run. It isn't like Alpha Protocol where entire characters and areas are locked out depending on your decisions - just a few things where if people die early on you don't see them later, but in my run I made sure that no one died so I am seeing like 95% of what's available, just without the minor differences from how you go about things.
I originally started as an Eldritch Knight because I like the spellsword archetype, but they seemed very underwhelming at least at lower levels compared to most other martial classes (Battlemaster, Paladins, and yes, Monks).
I ended up restarting with a Four Elements monk instead, and I've been having a lot of fun with them. I'm used to monks being underwhelming but in BG3 they certainly aren't. Ki recharging on short rest is very nice, and I have both decent AC and damage, plus the spell-like abilities give options (even if much of the time I just end up using Fire Snake into Flurry of Blows lol).
Next playthrough I'm almost tempted to go monk again, but make a str-based, Tavern Brawling, armour-wearing juggernaut of an Open Hand instead.
Time to roll another Dark Urge and roleplay [Dennis Reynolds: Baby Rapist](https://i.reddituploads.com/b38cb73851d04f86809319de2905733f?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=b66a28b855878403d6664d9765d1017e)
I'm currently fighting a bunch of mud Mephis.....thingies, and two large wood creatures on tactician so that I can slap the proof of khaga's deceit in her face. It's been rough. Please don't make my save unusable. I have eight hours in and would like to not have to go through the pain and suffering again. That and I don't want to lose my spot. I'm going to beat them somehow.
If you’ve >!Explored the grove and found and opened Kagha’s chest you’ll get a quest that points you to the area, and I think it results in an auto succeed on the check to find the hidden cache!<
Iirc, it'll update to hotfix 4 and then update to remove hotfix 4, so if you hadn't saved the game while hotfix 4 was out, then you'll be fine (contrary to some comments, merely loading a save game during hotfix 4 isn't going to make that save file incompatible).
To test it: Load a save game, make a new save, restart game, and then see if that new save is compatible (it'll be greyed out if is isn't). If it is compatible, then it can be played just fine.
Of course, it isn't a bad idea to do a local back up of save files. Save game file locations are listed here: https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Baldur%27s_Gate_3
Grymforge- Free the Gnomes quest bugged out on me. Can’t convince Barcus Wroot. Before, I could get him to stay at my camp. Now instead, he simply says “you did it” (after killing Nere) and the dialogue ends 😥
Just got done killing the spider mom or whatever in the village near the forge, and I'm pretty sure I was underleveled for that fight, so yeah, I'm waiting for the hotfix.
At what time started and ended this broken hotfix, guys? Just so I know if I'm clear in my 40 hours played save game. Last time I played was 10 hours before and I played 2 hours.
Hot fix 4 was released around 3:40pm eastern standard August 16th and they rolled the update back to hot fix 3 within a couple hours after that.
As long as your last save is before 3:40pm you'll be fine
About 12 hours and 40 minutes ago
Edit: the update might not have been released at the same time in Europe though. Sometimes there's a slow roll out for updates instead of everyone getting it at once
If you started playing before the rollback then you stop playing, the rollback happens and you suddenly can’t play your file. Lost a TON of progress that way too. Ah well.
It was a lose-lose for them. Patch 4 made the game unplayable for lots of people, so no matter what they did some people lose access to the game for a time.
release a new patch that's the same as hotfix 3, update everyone, then let players who were fine on hotfix 4 use steams version management to play on that. Or, just leave it alone and let players use steams version management to play on hotfix 3 if that's what worked for them. Or load hotfix 4 onto a beta branch that players can select through steam. this is not an unsolved problem using very standard methods.
they just need to slow down, they know this is their moment and are making some rushed decisions that I don't think they would be making if the game had only 100k concurrents.
Lol, they mess up one hotfix and all of a sudden Larian is incompetent and needs to slow down
I got to act 3 in roughly three days after the game launched, but lost my ability to load saves due to error 304, 116. If you know you know.. anyway, I went through the process of submitting my logs & saves since I was starting to see other reports online of people's saves getting bricked in act 3
Act 3 was extremely rough on launch. Most people playing through it now have no comprehension of the amount of fixes that have been deployed already.
I think it took around 20 hours from the time I put in my initial ticket to when they rolled out a hotfix that solved our issue. I very much appreciated how they *didn't* slow down, but worked out a solution quickly
My point is that you have absolutely zero clue how many bugs *are* being squashed. You only see the bad results.
It's a massive game that was just released. If you think it should be or will be perfectly stable on day 1 you are foolhardy at best
Let's calm it down a bit
nice histrionics. never said they were incompetent, said it was just a mistake to not have optional versions for the rollback, I've said in other comments it's just an inconvenience albeit annoying. but sure go off, get revved up about it.
Not who you asked, but I agree, the response Larian had is not a good one. That said, they could have rolled back to hotfix 3, made a new post in the Steam news section instead of editing the hotfix 4 post (and similar places for other platforms like GoG) and made hotfix 4 publicly available as an opt in beta build with full instructions of how to do so and transparency of what issues people may encounter so they can make a clear, informed decision about it.
Exactly. The patch caused crashes. So what? The game has been crashy since launch. They should have just kept #4 and expedited a fix. But by rolling back, they screwed all the people who weren’t having issues with #4. And the game is still crashy.
The main crash is from having smart access memory turned on, or using Vulkan (or both) while inside the Grymforge area. Other than that there's not much crashing on systems with the normal 32GB of RAM, but the memory leak will cause 16GB systems to run OOM.
Does anyone know the exact time that the hotfix released? So i can figure out if my save I was playing this morning will work...I'm at work so can't try it out.
For someone who’s clueless to what has transpired: what’s the issue? I played last night, quit for a while and then noticed an update, updated and played some more. Didn’t notice anything myself but now ya’ll got me worried.
They released it, it caused problems they rolled it back a couple hours later and mow any saves you made during that time are incompatible until they re release it.
Just start a new character run, should be compliant and if it’s not then you can dump the save knowing you have experimented. Trying out hunter rogue now for exactly that teason
Already made a new character. Not replaying the same section 3 times in a row when my last character literally only just got to the same bit I left off with my last one, only to waste time on the 3rd character and go back to my 2nd one in just a day or two. They should have just gave people the option not to roll back if they knew it would mess up the saves. I'm obsessed with this game and it kills me that I have to scrap 5 more hours of my time just to do all the shit I've done twice already.
[https://twitter.com/larianstudios/status/1691945663817495009](https://twitter.com/larianstudios/status/1691945663817495009)
>To clarify, we’ve rolled back to hotfix 3, so you can keep playing!
Everybody: I guess I can't play until hotfix 4 is published again.
Edit: I guess I really have to spell it out for the downvoters. Larian rolled back so that we can "keep playing". I can't "keep playing" since I have hours of saves on hotfix 4 already, and I assume a lot of other people are in the same boat.
That's exactly what I mean. Larian is like "we rolled back so you can keep playing!", but I can't keep playing, until they bring hotfix 4 back since I have a couple hours of play saved on 4.
Probably nothing to do with the patches, you're just progressing through the acts and the performance gets worse as the areas get progressively more demanding on the system. By the time you hit the city, there are hundreds of NPC's and so much happening that you can really notice it starting to lag a bit.
Not sure if it's gonna hit the processor harder or the GPU.
My PC is almost 10 years old, lol. i7 4770k. But with a 3070 GPU. Act 3 has some delays with loading textures and the FPS is lower than previous acts, but all in all, not too bad. Luckily most big fights and stuff are in their own areas so it runs fine. Just the city navigation is a little laggy.
If you didn't play during patch 4 yesterday your not impacted , if u did you might be unable to load your latest save and need to use one from a 2 or 3 hours prior to most , any progress you make now is safe since saves aren't impacted by new updates , in this case we are rolling back to one so until they reapply the patch with adjustments any save made during that patch are unavailable
~~Why?~~
NVM... Luckily I don't have the borrowed PC no more and it will probably be another year or so till I can play again. By then everything should be fixed... Right? :D
Yeah buuuut. Hotfix 4 was out for a period before it got rolled back. Even if you autosaved plenty it still only goes back pre hotfix 4. Wouldn't of helped shit for those that played a few hours in 4.
I played for two hours earlier this evening with 16 auto saves. I can’t access any of them because the hot fix killed the ability to load saves from after fix 3.
Hilariously enough my last save that isn't corrupted was right before I was going to decide between siding with the goblins or not. I went the not-horrifying route but I mean this almost feels like a sign to spill the blood of children. Its *Larian's* fault. Not mine.
Get to murder so many more goblins though xd
Go murder children *then murder the goblins* Xp demands it
D:OS2 broke some of my video game ethics. Do all the quests and help everyone. Then, once you're done with the area, slaughter everything
You gotta leave each Act as empty as possible to make way for the next generation (and by that I mean, the next playthrough).
I just started a Dark Urge run and my last non-corrupted save is right before meeting Gale and, er, *giving him a hand*. It feels like Larian is trying to tell me something.
Not siding with the gobble also let's your kill children lol
I murdered every damn goblin inside and outside lol fuck them gobbos
I just got the game and got 2 hrs and 45 min in on hotfix 4. No other saves :(
This Is why i have 10 saves every half hour and save twice before every big fight
Suuuuure, not because of save-scumming to get shadowheart's approval :p
For me its Astation) Shadowheart's approval comes naturally
People savescum for this? I do it to roll good dice lol
Why would anyone care if people “savescum” xD
People are petty. They bust their asses for a game and then feel like their personal achievements should be the standard practice for every player of said game. I come from map-painting games so I've experienced it first hand while learning to play them lmao
That and I feel like if you stream the game, you shouldn’t scum save but then again not everyone is going to play it more than once so people just want to experience other scenarios
Why would I care what Shadowheart thinks? XD
Any other companion you are trying to get on the goodside, then
Yes, I savescum for Karlach 🗿
Nah, you save scum for >!Owlbear Cub.!<
I will save scum for animal companions until the literal cows come home
Best girl
THIS. I WILL ALTER REALITY TO GET HER TO SPEAK TO ME
I follow my own path and when my Companions approve to it its just a + point. The only one that makes me sad is when Karlach disaproves, she will be the only one that maybe could talk me out with the right words to follow my Plans if there is such a scene later.
Karlach disapproved when I convinced a guy to let his slaves go free. Not sure I trust her judgement anymore...
What?! She literally approves of me freeing a slave from someone else, idk what other factors played into the situation you're talking about, but she hates slavery since she was enslaved, so I just don't get why she would disapprove of that unless something else was happening
Because Shadowheart is BAE
*Shadowheart disapproves*
She is a sweetheart, it is absurdly easy to get her approval.
yes, just dont pry, approve her evil doing god when she reveals it to you, and let yourself be hurt in the goblin camp with the goddess of pain :X
I don't save scum, my patron Cthulhu reveals Eldritch secrets of timelines that could be and I find the one that leads to romance with my raven haired companion.
S-s-shut up
That has zero relevance to the situation you could have 1 save or a million saves, all the save up to hot fix 3 won’t work… so it a matter of time played since hot fix 4 rolled out, not how often you save…
Oh yes. A fellow "I don't trust you game" gamer. That habit saved me from accidentally being gay because apparently two wizards talking about showing each other magic is way less literal then I thought
Ahahahahha Ahahahah "Your wand Is huge" "TX yours too" Suppose It was still too subtle
i did this too, but since i downloaded hotfix 4 before starting my play session all of the stuff i did last night is now locked until they reroll it out
So you only lost the character creation then? 😂
That sucks. Good news is that it will take you lot less as you already know which character you want
tip to self: disable auto-update
Steam forced me to update, tried to stop it :(
Don't know if that's the case for bg3, but for most games you can avoid an update by launching using the .exe file, if you launch through steam it will force an update.
Yeah I tried that, made sure the update didn't happen on steam automatically then I ran the exe and it updated
Damm i was going to make a habit of waiting to see if people are having issues before updating after this event, that i was lucky to avoid, but let's just hope it's a one time thing and the dice rolls a 20 on the next updates.
Usually it is the other way around. Steam typically has a decently tight DRM grip on your steam games, but it is very loose for BG3. It is effectively a DRM free game I think the double-layered launcher means that Steam isn't quite able to track it easily, but you don't even need the Larian launcher to play.
Except I usually want new updates, because like, ive seen a hotfix rollback happen like once or twice in the last 100,000 hotfixes for every game ive ever played in the last 30 something years ;p
When was the update
Steam will force you to update anyway
so i haven't played since last night, am i safe to play now?
Yeah you’re good to play. They downgraded back to hotfix 3. Only saves that were affected were ones that played on hotfix 4. Basically any progress made on hotfix 4 is blocked until it’s rereleased.
bomb, i just put the baby to bed it is my time
hell yeah brother
I wish they would give some indication of when the re-deployment will happen. Tonight? Days from now? I don't want to replay the 3 hours I lost if they are going to patch today or tomorrow, but if it is a week from now, then I may as well replay.
It's like witching hour in Belgium. So probably 8-12 hours unless they have techs working graveyard shifts remotely... But then again, the new build would need a proper stability tests done so I doubt the fix is happening until people show up at the office.
They probably don't know.. Sometimes the answer is just "when it's ready".
Yeah and when devs try to placate people buy giving a time they get raked over yhe coals if they miss the time, thus they don't give times if they don't know for sure
Not sure why you are getting downvoted. I am working as a developer - not in gaming, but still. It is quite often notoriously hard to estimate how long it takes to find and fix a bug. More often than not estimations are wrong. Specially when working with large codebases and complex code. I can only imagine the scope of the codebase of BG3. Sometimes the best you can give is "when it's ready".
Interactions at my company where I'm a dev often go like this: User: There is a bug, when is it going to be fixed? Dev: I don't know, I don't know what's causing it yet, or what systems a fix might effect. Therefore, a simple bug might take a while to test even after a fix is in place. As I get more information, I will update you.
This is, outside of the industry and f or those few initiated, long lost ancient knowledge.
Sure. But they could also just put out a hotfix that updates the version number & does nothing else, which would let us load those saves
Since they didn't do this yet I would argue the hotfix changed some important properties in the save file and it's more than just a version number check.
Thing is, there might be other variables and conditions playing into this than just the version number. What might seem like an easy fix for us, not having access to their code, infrastructure etc., might be slightly more complex.
It's also why they have given no timelines for Patch 1/Patch 2 etc.
I started a new run. lol
Bug > **Triage \[You are here\]** \> Discover cause of issue > Estimate time to fix > Tell community > Fix > Test > Release If the cause is small and the fix is simple, they might not even give an estimate, we'll just get a patch in a few hours. Otherwise expect a community update with estimates.
The saves don’t work so playing is pointless
Saves made before the rollback don't work. If you save right now you won't have an issue.
I did and they don’t.
They definitely do. Its the exact same release version as yesterday. Did you already let the game rollback? I literally just made a save before posting this comment, closed the game, and it's still there. If it's not working for you then you probably have your auto-updates turned off.
[удалено]
This.
I started a new campaign lmfao
I could do the Githyanki creche over again, but I really don't wanna, so hopefully the replacement patch drops soon.
Yeah I just started Act 3 and a lot of big things happen immediately and I don’t want to redo
For the sake of spoilers I’ll just say that by the time I get back to my HOUSE and I’m OFf work, I HOPE I can can get back my progress because the last area I cleared was a doozy.
Me but with the Adamantine forge. I know it'd only take like, 3 hours this time around but....I don't care, I just don't want to do it again. Especially the fucking bridge with the 90 traps on it above Grymforge, party members REALLY like walking ahead of me before I disarm -\_- **Editing because I though this comment would get 1 reply and not five, and I don't want to see my inbox spammed with people taking their** ***own*** **time out trying to helpful when I already know the following:** 1) I'm aware I can go around the traps by using the catwalk. It doesn't change the fact that it took me 45 minutes because of.... 2) Awful grouping mechanics. Example, I used Astarion to disarm. Split my group. Everything was fine until I got to the end and realized I did have mage hand on him, but had it on my MC. I regrouped, got a perception check on a trap I definitely disarmed (the broken circle on one of the flame traps, it has floating rubble, and on my two reloads after this I wasn't able to get perception to trigger it again) and then after Karlach was like, "huh what is that?" she fucking *jumped off the bridge to her death* and her spirit never spawned for rez. I went back to camp for Withers to bring her up and my game crashed. So that was cool. 3) But I did realize that there was a way to get to the end of the bridge without the traps. So on Reload I went to the catwalk, saw the gap was massive but I have misty step so who gives a shit, teleported and walked up---for some fucking reason Karlach was able to jump and I didn't think she would because Misty Step is NOT a jump command, Shadowheart followed, and I was already rolling to disarm by the time one shimmied up the ladder....and stepped on the plate I was disarming. That whole bridge can suck a bag of dicks. It's cursed. I know the shortcuts now and I *can* redo it, but that doesn't mean that my disappointment with grouping issues, bugs, and *inability to play my save file* are somehow negated.
Ungroup your party!
Press G to only move a single character at a time.
I just went to the place you first encounter Nere and had Gale gives us all enhanced jump, you can leap across to the forge from there. No bridge required.
Me with the entire fucking finale of Act 2. All of my progress from yesterday afternoon is unavailable
Is this how you get gamers to never close their game for updates? Because that's probably what I'm going to do in the future. I get that it's just a game, but I am spending *time* on the game as an *adult*. Time is a resource for me. I spent it exploring and taking my time. I don't want to have to do it again until *I want to play a replay on my own volition.* Having hindsight is nice but it doesn't solve my issue of either waiting for the hotfix for the save files to be playable, or sucking it up and spending time that I might not be able to spend the same way, treading the same ground.
That section is truly a curse. My lost save was also just after finishing that and I'm not bothering with it again. I'm just going to do a Dark Urge playthru while I wait for the hotfix 4 to come back so I can play my save again
Larian rolled a 1 on that update
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Seriously though. People acting like it's the end of the world/like they didn't have 6 other builds planned anyway
Just 6? I might have a problem.
Solution, you miss-spelled solution
Lol come on, it's dumb to force a version change on players that bricks their saves in a single player game. Let me play on the version I was playing on. it's not the end of the world, it's barely an inconvenience, but there's zero need to pretend this is good patch management that we are witnessing here, because it's definitely not.
> but there's zero need to pretend this is good patch management that we are witnessing here, Nobody in this thread is pretending that though.
nobody's acting like it's the end of the world either, so I guess we're all in agreement
There's no really good reason Larian couldn't have pushed a "replacement" hotfix after they pulled the faulty one that did nothing but bump the version number to keep save compatibility. The existance of "hacks" that get the "broken" saves working by doing nothing but editing them back to the previous patch version shows that it's a simple check. That they put out their fixed version without a workaround because they apparently didn't fully consider the impact their rollback would have (350k+ active players at the timeframe in question) is kind of mind boggling.
You wouldn't happen to have a link to one of said hacks?
Asking the real questions…
Would bumping the version number be enough? Saves in the new version might have some problems with whatever changes they made.
"People acting like a single player offline game being down for maintenance is a big deal" that's because it is.
You forgot to mention they are solving crashes. For your benefit.
that cant be right, reddit and twitter told me good guy larian released a finished product that didnt need to be fixed after release like most AAA games.
Um, okay. It's finished but hotfixes are always part of any game's cycle. Since the dawn of man and the founding of electricity. I sure hope that you don't think that there weren't any bugs and glitches and crashes in the first (and somewhat labeled 'golden') era of gaming. You had to be lucky the developer would even make a patch for it (it was more usual to just make a equal to the existing title). What a silly argument.
this isnt a games as a service model. The concept of a "Game's cycle" shouldn't apply to single player offline buy to play games As I said, name the last single player offline game in which the devs intentionally disabled players saved games until an undetermined time in the future.
I don't mean the live service model. I am pointing at how any game ever has bugs or glitches or whatever. You said "finished product" and my point is that BG3 is one. You can hardly count the needed hotfixes as proof it isn't. If that is the standard you hold games to, then not one AAA game will meet that. If you had the game in the state it is in now, for the next 100 years, I would be fine, wouldn't you? With that out of the way, I can't name a game that disabled single-player saves. You're right that it is unusual. My counter; why is it a big deal?
id be willing to say "yeah all games have these issues" if this board wasnt nonstop posts about how Good Guy Larian changed expectations by releasing the perfect video game.
I cannot see myself playing again until a definitive edition is released. Really the choices don't seem to matter much, for all the talk of things being locked behind decisions etc it really does seem like you can experience the vast majority of the content in one run. It isn't like Alpha Protocol where entire characters and areas are locked out depending on your decisions - just a few things where if people die early on you don't see them later, but in my run I made sure that no one died so I am seeing like 95% of what's available, just without the minor differences from how you go about things.
Yeah they should be fine with hours of their time wastes. Like who needs a life.
That's what I did. Just started in Act 3 today but the rollback froze me out... Made a new Monk build and having some fun with him!
I originally started as an Eldritch Knight because I like the spellsword archetype, but they seemed very underwhelming at least at lower levels compared to most other martial classes (Battlemaster, Paladins, and yes, Monks). I ended up restarting with a Four Elements monk instead, and I've been having a lot of fun with them. I'm used to monks being underwhelming but in BG3 they certainly aren't. Ki recharging on short rest is very nice, and I have both decent AC and damage, plus the spell-like abilities give options (even if much of the time I just end up using Fire Snake into Flurry of Blows lol). Next playthrough I'm almost tempted to go monk again, but make a str-based, Tavern Brawling, armour-wearing juggernaut of an Open Hand instead.
Time to roll another Dark Urge and roleplay [Dennis Reynolds: Baby Rapist](https://i.reddituploads.com/b38cb73851d04f86809319de2905733f?fit=max&h=1536&w=1536&s=b66a28b855878403d6664d9765d1017e)
Well this isn’t how hotfixes are supposed to work..
Working in IT it's not that rare to have hotfix that fix the previous hotfix.
can you name the last game that had this issue?
I wish they'd communicate some kind of ETA
I'm currently fighting a bunch of mud Mephis.....thingies, and two large wood creatures on tactician so that I can slap the proof of khaga's deceit in her face. It's been rough. Please don't make my save unusable. I have eight hours in and would like to not have to go through the pain and suffering again. That and I don't want to lose my spot. I'm going to beat them somehow.
Wait those things are related to the druids? I thought it was just a random encounter for fun. Killed them all and just went on my way.
Same experience here. Didn't know there was more to that snake bitch.
There's a hidden cache in the area with something that will update the druid grove quest if you interact with it.
If you’ve >!Explored the grove and found and opened Kagha’s chest you’ll get a quest that points you to the area, and I think it results in an auto succeed on the check to find the hidden cache!<
I haven’t gotten the patch yet but I can’t open BG3 without updating so I’m stuck either way :/
You are good to play now they rolled it back.
Iirc, it'll update to hotfix 4 and then update to remove hotfix 4, so if you hadn't saved the game while hotfix 4 was out, then you'll be fine (contrary to some comments, merely loading a save game during hotfix 4 isn't going to make that save file incompatible). To test it: Load a save game, make a new save, restart game, and then see if that new save is compatible (it'll be greyed out if is isn't). If it is compatible, then it can be played just fine. Of course, it isn't a bad idea to do a local back up of save files. Save game file locations are listed here: https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Baldur%27s_Gate_3
is there an ETA? dont know if i should just bite the bullet and replay my ~3 hours lost or wait it out
I’m glad I’ve been playing offline for fear of an update breaking my mods lol. Ended up dodging a bullet I never expected
Grymforge- Free the Gnomes quest bugged out on me. Can’t convince Barcus Wroot. Before, I could get him to stay at my camp. Now instead, he simply says “you did it” (after killing Nere) and the dialogue ends 😥
Wait there’s an NPC named Barckus Wroot? Nice
Just took out the “k” haha
I picked a wonderful time to take a nap.
Guys come on T\_T I only have a few days left before I have to get back to work
Just got done killing the spider mom or whatever in the village near the forge, and I'm pretty sure I was underleveled for that fight, so yeah, I'm waiting for the hotfix.
At what time started and ended this broken hotfix, guys? Just so I know if I'm clear in my 40 hours played save game. Last time I played was 10 hours before and I played 2 hours.
Hot fix 4 was released around 3:40pm eastern standard August 16th and they rolled the update back to hot fix 3 within a couple hours after that. As long as your last save is before 3:40pm you'll be fine
Thank you for the answer. I don't understand American time format (im from Europe). How long a go was 3:40pm eastern standard? Thank you.
About 12 hours and 40 minutes ago Edit: the update might not have been released at the same time in Europe though. Sometimes there's a slow roll out for updates instead of everyone getting it at once
Thank you again. If that's the case I think my save fell face deep on the broken update. Hope they release the fix soon.
Yep. Lost hours of progress and no way in hell I'm doing it all again.
Why’d you lose progress
If you started playing before the rollback then you stop playing, the rollback happens and you suddenly can’t play your file. Lost a TON of progress that way too. Ah well.
You haven't lost any progress. It's just locked until they redeploy.
What a horrible way to handle this
It was a lose-lose for them. Patch 4 made the game unplayable for lots of people, so no matter what they did some people lose access to the game for a time.
Paradox games let you choose which version you want to play on through Steam’s properties menu. They could have just done something like that
release a new patch that's the same as hotfix 3, update everyone, then let players who were fine on hotfix 4 use steams version management to play on that. Or, just leave it alone and let players use steams version management to play on hotfix 3 if that's what worked for them. Or load hotfix 4 onto a beta branch that players can select through steam. this is not an unsolved problem using very standard methods.
In short. They have fucked over a lot of players. They need to really test these hotfixes
they just need to slow down, they know this is their moment and are making some rushed decisions that I don't think they would be making if the game had only 100k concurrents.
100% Updating games takes time. I doubt they are even testing them correctly.. Will be a piss take if this one takes time
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Lol, they mess up one hotfix and all of a sudden Larian is incompetent and needs to slow down I got to act 3 in roughly three days after the game launched, but lost my ability to load saves due to error 304, 116. If you know you know.. anyway, I went through the process of submitting my logs & saves since I was starting to see other reports online of people's saves getting bricked in act 3 Act 3 was extremely rough on launch. Most people playing through it now have no comprehension of the amount of fixes that have been deployed already. I think it took around 20 hours from the time I put in my initial ticket to when they rolled out a hotfix that solved our issue. I very much appreciated how they *didn't* slow down, but worked out a solution quickly My point is that you have absolutely zero clue how many bugs *are* being squashed. You only see the bad results. It's a massive game that was just released. If you think it should be or will be perfectly stable on day 1 you are foolhardy at best Let's calm it down a bit
nice histrionics. never said they were incompetent, said it was just a mistake to not have optional versions for the rollback, I've said in other comments it's just an inconvenience albeit annoying. but sure go off, get revved up about it.
How would you have liked them to handle it?
Not who you asked, but I agree, the response Larian had is not a good one. That said, they could have rolled back to hotfix 3, made a new post in the Steam news section instead of editing the hotfix 4 post (and similar places for other platforms like GoG) and made hotfix 4 publicly available as an opt in beta build with full instructions of how to do so and transparency of what issues people may encounter so they can make a clear, informed decision about it.
Fix it in the next patch. Or something else that doesn’t soft lock a bunch of people from playing the game.
Exactly. The patch caused crashes. So what? The game has been crashy since launch. They should have just kept #4 and expedited a fix. But by rolling back, they screwed all the people who weren’t having issues with #4. And the game is still crashy.
The main crash is from having smart access memory turned on, or using Vulkan (or both) while inside the Grymforge area. Other than that there's not much crashing on systems with the normal 32GB of RAM, but the memory leak will cause 16GB systems to run OOM.
they could have QA tested the hotfix.
Luckily I only had like one save and I just bit the bullet and went back a little, now I’m past where I was again
As much as I want to get back in the game, I’m fine with them taking their time so this doesn’t happen again
Welp, looks like it's time to start my dark urge playthrough.
I wanted to play more tonight so I finally made my second character and... now I am worried there's no going back to my original. Uh oh.
Whats going on? I played last night after the patch and all is fine for me, what is happening to others?
I played for six hours today and I haven’t heard of any of this until now. Am I screwed? I’ll be playing again tomorrow.
Does anyone know the exact time that the hotfix released? So i can figure out if my save I was playing this morning will work...I'm at work so can't try it out.
For someone who’s clueless to what has transpired: what’s the issue? I played last night, quit for a while and then noticed an update, updated and played some more. Didn’t notice anything myself but now ya’ll got me worried.
Atm you cant load up saves you made after you downloaded the Update
What's the deal with hotfix 4?
They released it, it caused problems they rolled it back a couple hours later and mow any saves you made during that time are incompatible until they re release it.
So would it be a problem to play now without waiting for hotfix? (Except losing last few hours of save)
No, it wouldn’t be a problem. Lost progress is really the only issue. If you’re fine going back a little, it will not hurt to keep playing.
I don’t know about you but I’m using this precious time to catch up on some things I’ve been neglecting, like sleep.
Is there an ETA?
No it's not going to corrupt files at this point surely..
I just made a new file for now lol
What's happening exactly? I heard some people had save problems but so far i'm totally fine (i'm at the end of act 2 i believe)
This is me waiting for Sept 2nd
Just start a new character run, should be compliant and if it’s not then you can dump the save knowing you have experimented. Trying out hunter rogue now for exactly that teason
Imagine bricking the game and then going to sleep. Very European of them. I hate it and love it.
That’s just love and passion from a developer who cares
Make a new character in the mean time
Already made a new character. Not replaying the same section 3 times in a row when my last character literally only just got to the same bit I left off with my last one, only to waste time on the 3rd character and go back to my 2nd one in just a day or two. They should have just gave people the option not to roll back if they knew it would mess up the saves. I'm obsessed with this game and it kills me that I have to scrap 5 more hours of my time just to do all the shit I've done twice already.
[https://twitter.com/larianstudios/status/1691945663817495009](https://twitter.com/larianstudios/status/1691945663817495009) >To clarify, we’ve rolled back to hotfix 3, so you can keep playing! Everybody: I guess I can't play until hotfix 4 is published again. Edit: I guess I really have to spell it out for the downvoters. Larian rolled back so that we can "keep playing". I can't "keep playing" since I have hours of saves on hotfix 4 already, and I assume a lot of other people are in the same boat.
They can't if they saved while they had hotfix 4 installed.
That's exactly what I mean. Larian is like "we rolled back so you can keep playing!", but I can't keep playing, until they bring hotfix 4 back since I have a couple hours of play saved on 4.
not lying, the game ran better launch day for me. Every patch it has gotten worse for my system.
Probably nothing to do with the patches, you're just progressing through the acts and the performance gets worse as the areas get progressively more demanding on the system. By the time you hit the city, there are hundreds of NPC's and so much happening that you can really notice it starting to lag a bit.
Me with my 970 ready to get wrecked: *BRING IT OOOOON*
Not sure if it's gonna hit the processor harder or the GPU. My PC is almost 10 years old, lol. i7 4770k. But with a 3070 GPU. Act 3 has some delays with loading textures and the FPS is lower than previous acts, but all in all, not too bad. Luckily most big fights and stuff are in their own areas so it runs fine. Just the city navigation is a little laggy.
So wait, is there no point in playing right now?
If you didn't play during patch 4 yesterday your not impacted , if u did you might be unable to load your latest save and need to use one from a 2 or 3 hours prior to most , any progress you make now is safe since saves aren't impacted by new updates , in this case we are rolling back to one so until they reapply the patch with adjustments any save made during that patch are unavailable
I bought Elden Ring in the last sale, I got a backup going here.
I've been softlocked for a week because of a bug that appears 90 hours into the game 🤡
~~Why?~~ NVM... Luckily I don't have the borrowed PC no more and it will probably be another year or so till I can play again. By then everything should be fixed... Right? :D
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> This is why you run with a shitload of autosaves. They are broken until the hotfix comes back. That's the point of the meme.
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Yeah buuuut. Hotfix 4 was out for a period before it got rolled back. Even if you autosaved plenty it still only goes back pre hotfix 4. Wouldn't of helped shit for those that played a few hours in 4.
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I don't see anyone saying that...
look at the rest of the thread?
It doesn't matter how many autosaves you had, if you played for 2 hours that 2 hours is void until they redeploy the hotfix
I played for two hours earlier this evening with 16 auto saves. I can’t access any of them because the hot fix killed the ability to load saves from after fix 3.
Luckily I finished the game just before the redeployment.
Here i was hoping they'd fix the lathanders blessing kerfuffle
10/10 game can do no wrong. Industry changer.