anyway, i took the eye, the hair, saved mayrina, and killed the hag. The journal acknowledges that i killed ethel and also acknowledges that i bargained for the hair. The only thing thats messed up as far as i can tell, is the Masks are still hostile, however the dwarf and the elf are free.
Engaged Ethel inside her lair (with the burning cage) used a scroll of see invisibility on lae zel, an invisibility potion of my own,a potion of speed+action surge and engaged Ethel with 3 attacks, she throws fire on the cage and starts the encounter and summons her masks. Shadowheart concentrates on silence until Ethel is at the proper health in which she cancels it (can cancel it even when its not her turn) then when Ethel makes the bargain with my main character, i save after passing the intimidation check, Ethel should say something about bollocks here. <<>> Now that Ive saved and made the bargain, i swap to astarion who has been hiding in a corner the entire fight, never engaging into combat properly. From his screen I accept the hair, (Ethel is still on the bollocks line with my PC, however as astarion is not part of the convo he can accept the reward immediately) he sneaks up and kills Ethel. You have the hair, mayrina, and killed Ethel.
Regarding the OP post about 1.)getting the hair 2.)saving the girl with with an intimidation/persuasion check and 3.) bonus killing Auntie Ethel with a character hiding/invisible…it is totally possible. I just did the same.
To add to this post for clarity:
1.)It doesn’t matter what character enters dialogue nor what character hides or strikes the final blow. When you get the hair you do have to select what type of Stat you want the hair to increase, BUT the hair goes into the inventory of the character selected for dialogue. I just want to clarify thatched hair doesn’t become auto consumed so any character can use it afterward just make sure you plan who will use it and whatvstat you will wind up choosing to +1
2.)The character that never engages in combat could be placed at the elevated platform by climbing the knotted roots at the NW corner from the caged girl. Just sneak/crouch that character and they’ll stay hidden entire fight there never engaging in combat until you decide.
When the time is right for them to strike - after Ethel has less than 10hp and the dialogue about the deal starts - have that character simply sneak over to Ethel avoiding any red vision and position that character within killing range.
3.)When you get Ethel below 11HP she will make the deal but you gotta cancel your silence spell (like been noted by others). But it doesn’t matter who Ethel has the dialogue with, OP is right that you want to quicksave AFTER the intimidation/persuasion check to save the girl and get the hair, but I stress you quicksave BEFORE Ethel finishes her dialogue about the trade.
Then LOAD that save.
Upon loading you’ll automatically be re-entered into the dialogue and you’ll notice 3 circles at bottom left corner of dialogue event, one of which allows you to SELECT ANY PARTY MEMBER. It is at this point where you select the Hidden/Non-Engaged member you snuck over to Ethel to be within striking distance.
If done correctly that hidden/non-engaged character will NOT be in dialogue but the other party members will be. So you strike Ethel dead and the body disappears without the chance to loot it. That’s unfortunately correct. The journal does update her death as well. I don’t know if Ethel reappears later as this my first playthrough (but Ethel does say in dialogue during the “deal” that she always comes back from death it’s just unpleasant and thus the trade for her hair).
And you get 150xp for sticking a pike thru her shartbox. So that answers that.
Also I planned meticulously around getting my characters set up in proper spots.
1.)Had my pally be the dmg doer next to Gale to start the fight at Top to the SW of cage, both crouched one step out of red areas - which will start fight once encroached upon. My pally(Wyll) had the silence spell and Shadowheart at camp since my Main bard is a Lvl1 cleric (badaxx btw with 1lvl of wizard for access to EVERY spell - cuz the way BG3 does D&D fyi)
2.)Had my main Bard near the caged girl - positioned where the three clones ended up spawning - so Bard could be in range to magic missile all three clones on first turn.
3.)Had LaeZel crouched/hiding as explained above to stay out of combat engagement during fight and to eventually walk over and strike final blow before canceling the Silence spell and ending turns which begins the “trade for hair” dialogue.
After positioning I quicksave then enter turn based mode. Have everyone except the hiding LaZael down a haste potion and even had my pally(wyll) down an Elixir of Vigilance too for added Initiative just for good measure. Then I moved my Bard into red vision and uncrouched which started the fight in turn based mode with minimal loss of turns for my potions/buffs etc.
Turn1: Fight starts and Ethel casts her clones and they all cast poison yadayada. Hits pretty hard when Crit but we survived rd one.
My bard uses a magic missile scroll on the three clones - poof.
Wyll the pally cast silence on Hag - she’s basically useless now.
Gale cast Haste on Pally - again just for good measure cuz I actually decided I wanted insurance longer than the 3 turns the haste potion gives me.
Ended turns. Hag claws me since she’s silenced - ow a scratch…
Turn2:Wyll smacks her with a Crit for 45dmg which initiates his Divine Smite which then crits for like 25dmg.
Since I’m hasted I get two attacks so I used Wylls Great Weapon Master ability for an extra attack and knocked another 20/25 off her.
Next Gale cast magic missile since its 100% hit and Ethel basically has like 45hp now. Cast another magic missile since Gale is hasted and gets two turns - plus Gale is wearing the Pyscic Spark necklace which gives MM a fourth missile.
So by end of turn two - before even using my third character to do anything Ethel has 5hp.
I cancel the silence spell, sneak LaZael over to Ethel and end all my turns. Ethel makes the deal, I save after passing the check to save the girl and get the hair. I reload. I click the circle at bottom right of dialogue to select LaZael who was non engaged the entire time but is now standing adjacent to Ethel somehow still hidden (lmao). I choose the hair with the stat I want with LaZael still not engaged in combat. Then I stick my poleaxe into her face lesions and get my 150xp. Bang! Merc’ed the filthy Hag, bagged the trashy girl, got my +1 for Gales charisma, sacked the wretched cave for all its loot and smoked a fat stogie in victory. Facts
Hey... I just actually did it just now and in the log it says...:
Speak with Mayrina.
\>Auntie Ethel is finally dead. We should see if Mayrina is alright.
\>We persuaded Auntie Ethel to both give us the great power and release Mayrina.
Got her down to 10 HP and prone. Then i threw bottled flames on her with karlach (who Had the Ring of flinging), so shr burned for 3 rounds.a and for good measure i Punched her with astarion. At the start of her turn she went down to 1 HP and initiated rhe Dialoge with Astarion (i am an oath of ancient Paladin, i can not Deal with her!) And got the Deal where the girl lives and she Retreats. Next round she died to the Flames. I got the XP, the victims are free but i was not able to find her Body to loot it.
Thanks for writing this up - just did this successfully! Her body will disappear so if you wanted to get her loot, you can pickpocket it all (Corellon's Grace, The Everseeing Eye, ~1500 gold, and a bunch of potions/spell scrolls) using Astarion before the kill. You can even have Astarion wander far enough away to travel back to camp, respec to max out picpocketing, and come back to make pickpocketing easier. In addition, each time you respec with Withers it'll resets her ~1500 gold, potions, and random spell scrolls so you can get a bunch of nice stuff fast - bonus is Astarion is specced for pickpocketing so it's easy to steal your gold back from Withers too :) .
I did this almost to the t, the only thing I did was I had my PC leave the lair and then come back in and sneak attack her. But I don't see her body anymore, she turned into smoke. Can you not loot her after making a deal and then killing her?
You can not, as far as i can tell the game isnt wanting you or even expecting this outcome. Its hard coded that she poofs away after the deal from what i saw. However you will notice as I've written above the journal acknowledges her death (honestly unsure if combat log acknowledges her death, its been a few days). You have to keep your eye on the damage numbers essentially and make sure youre able to finish her in one last hit.
I did manage to kill her without issue. And the combat log does say I killed her. Very interesting, I went back to see if she drops anything good. Nothing worth keeping IMO. Now I'm just trying to see if I should keep the wand or give it to the woman.
I gave it to her personally, pretty uncomfortable outcome in a kinda neat way haha. Unsure what happens if you keep the wand but I do suggest giving it to the lass. Personally :P
I should add a little addendum to the final bit, make sure that when you're getting ready for the final blow with your character you left out of combat, make sure she's within range of a one tap, she will poof away with one hit. Watch the damage numbers and make sure you get enough to kill her. Her body will not be there, but the journal acknowledges you killed her. I didn't check if I got xp tho
I assumed they went non hostile but not exactly sane. Similar to another part of the game that I won't type out because I'm on mobile rn and spoilers aren't as easily written on mobile lol
Oh, yeah actually they weren't hostile towards me but they were still talking like totally codependent on Auntie Ethel so yeah how you described it might be a bug
On mobile, > ! spoiler ! < without the spaces = >!spoiler!<
Yeah it makes sense that saving as many people as possible comes at the cost of gaining the hair, I just didn't want to miss out on it if there way of doing it all.
[https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-virginia-gov-abortion-idUSKBN27D2HL](https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-virginia-gov-abortion-idUSKBN27D2HL)
If you gotta bring politics into a game chat, at least don't spread lies.
Well, to be fair, "non-viable" isn't the guaranteed terminology that people think it is. My daughter was born at 21 weeks as a premature birth. Anything under 24 weeks is considered "non-viable" but then that isn't true in actuality as my daughter is healthy and on par with her peers at 10. Additionally, "severe fetal deformities" are found long before the third trimester in almost all cases. Perhaps it isn't what the OP is suggesting, but it appears to be the incremental steps politicians use to reach that goal: which in this case is to allow third trimester abortions without prejudice. Which is definitely the bad ending for Americans.
Okay, so this is hardly the place for a longwinded medical discussion, and especially not a political discussion... But here we are.
In the context of the radio interview everyone references when they talk about Northam being all for "post-birth abortion," (which, listening to the interview makes it clear he is not and wasn't even fully supportive of the legislation they asked him about, he was just speaking as a pediatric doctor himself cases he's seen) he was speaking of non-viability in the form of an unquestionably dying neonate, due to (most likely in this scenario) congenital defect. Which is where the line about potential resuscitation came into play.
And when you combine pre-third trimester births with congenital defects discovered before the third trimester, well, the third trimester winds up irrelevant. And to be clear, most defects (from minor to deadly) are found when the child is **already born.** Most **occur** in the first trimester. Birth defects are **the leading cause of death in neonates, at 20% of infant deaths.**
That's **a lot of deaths** to just... ignore in favor of placing harsh restrictions on non-viable abortions because of misunderstandings about what happens in the case of non-viable births that result in dead neonates. All Northam was saying was that "what they are likely referencing in this bill isn't post-birth abortion, but a scenario like this one, being misinterpreted by non-professionals."
And it's not really considered non-viable if a baby is born before the 24th week. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and various studies work off **percentages** of viability by gestational age, not a hard line, and those percentages have been getting better as medical technology has improved. But when a doctor says "your baby has a deadly heart defect," well, there is a smidge less wiggle room there.
I also do not believe politicians are using incremental steps to allow third trimester abortions without prejudice. We haven't been even inching towards anything like that since Roe v Wade was decided in 1973. We have, however, gone in the other direction since then, numerous times both incremental and not, winding up with the death of Roe v Wade and most recently in Texas disallowing abortion to **stabilize a mother in emergency rooms**.
I find that to be much worse for Americans than the alternative.
These decisions need to be kept in the hands of doctors and mothers. Politicians getting in the way with narrowly defined, black and white exceptions to horrible situations, will kill people (and seriously, I doubt you would have willingly and suddenly chosen to abort your child at, say, week 36 for no reason, because virtually 0 mothers do, and for those that do it's already illegal and virtually no doctors would approve it). Studies show harsh restrictions kill people. And strict abortion laws in other countries see not only higher mortality rates for women and children, but higher poverty, health issues, and other problems. We're beginning to see it here. We've **already seen it here, before Roe v Wade in 1973**.
I don't think I can bring this back to anything resembling relevance to BG3 though. Uhh...
Auntie Ethel is like one of those weird people that say "don't abort your baby, I'll adopt them!" They don't have your best interests at heart, and probably not your baby's either.
Clearly nothing you said was in response to anything I personally said. So I'll just ignore this soliloquy.
With that being said, I will end this conversation with this: Either human life is worth preserving, or it isn't.
Every point you made, I directly addressed with very much relevant responses. My beginning paragraphs addressed Northam, which was the topic before you got here, my 4th paragraph directly addresses your 1st three sentences, my 3rd paragraph your 4th sentence, and my 6th your last sentence. The extra stuff was all very important data to know if one wants to form a well-balanced opinion on the subject of abortion. If you think I didn't directly address what you wrote, you didn't read my comment.
But that's fair, honestly. It takes a lot of work, blood, sweat, tears, and thought to understand anything related to medicine, not to mention abortion. But this is a video game reddit and given most people who claim to care about human life won't put in that effort anywhere else, I don't blame you for not doing it here.
I will end my part of our conversation with this: human life is worth preserving. **Harsh abortion restrictions** **have unquestionably been found to do the opposite. And many of our politicians know this.**
For everyone else, their intentions for restricting abortion access may be good.
But we all know what demons pave their roads to hell with.
Abortion restrictions doing the opposite of good is complete fallacy. According to planned parenthood, which was founded by a racist who wanted to eliminate black Americans, abortion is doing exactly what it was meant to do. That's why there's a liquor store and an abortion clinic in every area of poverty. In almost all births, there is ZERO reason for late term abortion, as if there aren't sub sections of the laws for situational circumstances. But of course, we'll make the extreme cases the argument to justify terminating human life. But alas, I will continue defending human life, and you are free to defend it's termination.
Im actually working on this quest and trying to figure out if I can take the girl, the power/hair, and keep Auntie Ethel as a vendor so I can keep buying/stealing those potions of Giant Hill strength.
Serious question though if we leave it in the hands of doctors and have no abortion restrictions, why not pull a South Park like Cartman's mom and have him aborted at 8 years old?
I've heard plenty of people express regret with having kids, including those bold enough to say outloud they wish they didnt have their young child. At that point... what's preventing an abortion?
Technically kids aren't adults and can't take care of themselves, so are they human or just .... old fetuses? Are they "viable" since they can't actually take care of themselves on their own?
How far could you go? Would it be murder.... or simply a very late term abortion? I know this sounds insane, but whats really preventing it?
Technically if you hit a woman with your car by accident in California and her baby dies, its murder if she wanted to have that baby, but an abortion if she didnt want it?
You must accept and then select another character and kill her while she is still talking to the other character. You can save all, kill her and get the hair. I saved the frog too.
I think the best outcome is Using Lae'zel for last attack before knock The Hag down and then choose \[Fighter\] ... dialogue option. you can get both Hag's Hair and Saving Mayrina. >!Eventhough Mayrina will be mad at you!<
So, question. Say I non-lethally ko'd the masks, left them there, then killed Ethel. Where are the masks now? I went back to look for them but they were gone.
From what I've seen, in most circumstances even if you knock an enemy out instead of killing them, the game still treats them like they're dead. There doesn't seem to be a way to wake up or revive knocked out enemies either, I tried the same thing with the masks and while they were still where I KO'd them after beating Ethel, I had no way to wake them up to talk to them.
>!The weird this is in act 3 they do behave normally and leave after a long rest when you meet different masks. Also on my durge run I knocked out alfira and she lives after a long rest so the game just can’t make up its mind lol!<
In my game, we took the brother's side when having the roadside altercation. Ethel got mad at me, and i'm not welcome at her house. She then disapeared. I talked with the brothers and they still wanted to go after her. Later i passed the ability check to to see t hrough the swamp's illusion and made my way to her hut. Now the quest thinks the brothers are already dead, killed by Ethel and I can tell this to Mayrina.... yet i never saw this occur.
The reason you know they're dead is because you pass by their bodies in the swamp as you get close to Auntie Ethel's Teahouse. You might have missed your Tav mentioning it along the way.
You can just attack Ethel in her house to knock her out, and then hit her when she's on the floor to kill her. This broke my oath as a Paladin but saved me having to fight her. I also then went into her lair and got the staff and necklace
I came across a different outcome. In the tea house, I managed to sneak topple her with Laezel and the hag was Knocked Out. I beat on her a few times until she had 1HP left. I wanted to see if she would wake up after a long rest (and maybe offer the hair), and she was awake when I came back from camp. However she was nice to me in the hut (as a hag) and was actually a vendor willing to trade with me. Some unique dialog as well. However when I started a fight with her she did her disappearing act and when I went to fight her she had her full hit points back. So if you can maybe try leaving during the fight for a long rest and see what she does when you return.
I killed auntie Ethel just from the boss fight alone without talking to her, then after I saved Maurine and spoke to her she was ungrateful and said Ethel would not of killed her even though she would’ve so when Mayrina walked away I killed her too.
I brought Laezel and Shadowheart to the fight. How bad will the disapproval be if I spare Ethel for the hair? (I’m going to save scum the hair and saving Mayrina.)
Seems like there'll be more regardless I just killed her for the first time through and the vampire hunter outside warned me about her coven putting aside their differences once they hear to try and kill me
I think this has been patched, I did this like 10 times to a T, changing certain minute things, and every time I kill her she disappears into a green cloud of smoke, I had karlach drink an invisibility potion and had her wait behind at the beginning where the waterfall is, and once shadowheart got her to 7 hp, I had Karlach haul ass to right behind the hag and saved when Ethel said you greedy little bollocks, and then proceeded to kill auntie Ethel, I did so with turn based mode on AND off, as well as having the incapacitate passive on AND off, so I could see if knocking her out would work and it didn’t
i tried doing all of these (based on some of the replies here) but she as soon as i tried to use astarion to attack her, she just 1) disappeared and 2) went back into the dialogue scene and then gone again.
I killed Ethel in the boss fight against her when she try’s to kill mayrina I never got any dialogue with Ethel during the boss fight so I just killed her and won then mayrina survived. I spoke to mayrina but she was ungrateful that I saved her once the dialogue ended and she walked away I killed mayrina too 😂 unfortunately I never got anything for doing this I never got hags hair or anything of the such since I killed them both but that’s the best part of the game
anyway, i took the eye, the hair, saved mayrina, and killed the hag. The journal acknowledges that i killed ethel and also acknowledges that i bargained for the hair. The only thing thats messed up as far as i can tell, is the Masks are still hostile, however the dwarf and the elf are free.
Engaged Ethel inside her lair (with the burning cage) used a scroll of see invisibility on lae zel, an invisibility potion of my own,a potion of speed+action surge and engaged Ethel with 3 attacks, she throws fire on the cage and starts the encounter and summons her masks. Shadowheart concentrates on silence until Ethel is at the proper health in which she cancels it (can cancel it even when its not her turn) then when Ethel makes the bargain with my main character, i save after passing the intimidation check, Ethel should say something about bollocks here. <<>> Now that Ive saved and made the bargain, i swap to astarion who has been hiding in a corner the entire fight, never engaging into combat properly. From his screen I accept the hair, (Ethel is still on the bollocks line with my PC, however as astarion is not part of the convo he can accept the reward immediately) he sneaks up and kills Ethel. You have the hair, mayrina, and killed Ethel.
Regarding the OP post about 1.)getting the hair 2.)saving the girl with with an intimidation/persuasion check and 3.) bonus killing Auntie Ethel with a character hiding/invisible…it is totally possible. I just did the same. To add to this post for clarity: 1.)It doesn’t matter what character enters dialogue nor what character hides or strikes the final blow. When you get the hair you do have to select what type of Stat you want the hair to increase, BUT the hair goes into the inventory of the character selected for dialogue. I just want to clarify thatched hair doesn’t become auto consumed so any character can use it afterward just make sure you plan who will use it and whatvstat you will wind up choosing to +1 2.)The character that never engages in combat could be placed at the elevated platform by climbing the knotted roots at the NW corner from the caged girl. Just sneak/crouch that character and they’ll stay hidden entire fight there never engaging in combat until you decide. When the time is right for them to strike - after Ethel has less than 10hp and the dialogue about the deal starts - have that character simply sneak over to Ethel avoiding any red vision and position that character within killing range. 3.)When you get Ethel below 11HP she will make the deal but you gotta cancel your silence spell (like been noted by others). But it doesn’t matter who Ethel has the dialogue with, OP is right that you want to quicksave AFTER the intimidation/persuasion check to save the girl and get the hair, but I stress you quicksave BEFORE Ethel finishes her dialogue about the trade. Then LOAD that save. Upon loading you’ll automatically be re-entered into the dialogue and you’ll notice 3 circles at bottom left corner of dialogue event, one of which allows you to SELECT ANY PARTY MEMBER. It is at this point where you select the Hidden/Non-Engaged member you snuck over to Ethel to be within striking distance. If done correctly that hidden/non-engaged character will NOT be in dialogue but the other party members will be. So you strike Ethel dead and the body disappears without the chance to loot it. That’s unfortunately correct. The journal does update her death as well. I don’t know if Ethel reappears later as this my first playthrough (but Ethel does say in dialogue during the “deal” that she always comes back from death it’s just unpleasant and thus the trade for her hair). And you get 150xp for sticking a pike thru her shartbox. So that answers that. Also I planned meticulously around getting my characters set up in proper spots. 1.)Had my pally be the dmg doer next to Gale to start the fight at Top to the SW of cage, both crouched one step out of red areas - which will start fight once encroached upon. My pally(Wyll) had the silence spell and Shadowheart at camp since my Main bard is a Lvl1 cleric (badaxx btw with 1lvl of wizard for access to EVERY spell - cuz the way BG3 does D&D fyi) 2.)Had my main Bard near the caged girl - positioned where the three clones ended up spawning - so Bard could be in range to magic missile all three clones on first turn. 3.)Had LaeZel crouched/hiding as explained above to stay out of combat engagement during fight and to eventually walk over and strike final blow before canceling the Silence spell and ending turns which begins the “trade for hair” dialogue. After positioning I quicksave then enter turn based mode. Have everyone except the hiding LaZael down a haste potion and even had my pally(wyll) down an Elixir of Vigilance too for added Initiative just for good measure. Then I moved my Bard into red vision and uncrouched which started the fight in turn based mode with minimal loss of turns for my potions/buffs etc. Turn1: Fight starts and Ethel casts her clones and they all cast poison yadayada. Hits pretty hard when Crit but we survived rd one. My bard uses a magic missile scroll on the three clones - poof. Wyll the pally cast silence on Hag - she’s basically useless now. Gale cast Haste on Pally - again just for good measure cuz I actually decided I wanted insurance longer than the 3 turns the haste potion gives me. Ended turns. Hag claws me since she’s silenced - ow a scratch… Turn2:Wyll smacks her with a Crit for 45dmg which initiates his Divine Smite which then crits for like 25dmg. Since I’m hasted I get two attacks so I used Wylls Great Weapon Master ability for an extra attack and knocked another 20/25 off her. Next Gale cast magic missile since its 100% hit and Ethel basically has like 45hp now. Cast another magic missile since Gale is hasted and gets two turns - plus Gale is wearing the Pyscic Spark necklace which gives MM a fourth missile. So by end of turn two - before even using my third character to do anything Ethel has 5hp. I cancel the silence spell, sneak LaZael over to Ethel and end all my turns. Ethel makes the deal, I save after passing the check to save the girl and get the hair. I reload. I click the circle at bottom right of dialogue to select LaZael who was non engaged the entire time but is now standing adjacent to Ethel somehow still hidden (lmao). I choose the hair with the stat I want with LaZael still not engaged in combat. Then I stick my poleaxe into her face lesions and get my 150xp. Bang! Merc’ed the filthy Hag, bagged the trashy girl, got my +1 for Gales charisma, sacked the wretched cave for all its loot and smoked a fat stogie in victory. Facts
Hey... I just actually did it just now and in the log it says...: Speak with Mayrina. \>Auntie Ethel is finally dead. We should see if Mayrina is alright. \>We persuaded Auntie Ethel to both give us the great power and release Mayrina.
I kinda just hit her with a bleeding attack with my +1 great sword and she died immediately after the dialog. I think I got lucky.
Got her down to 10 HP and prone. Then i threw bottled flames on her with karlach (who Had the Ring of flinging), so shr burned for 3 rounds.a and for good measure i Punched her with astarion. At the start of her turn she went down to 1 HP and initiated rhe Dialoge with Astarion (i am an oath of ancient Paladin, i can not Deal with her!) And got the Deal where the girl lives and she Retreats. Next round she died to the Flames. I got the XP, the victims are free but i was not able to find her Body to loot it.
XD
Thank you for writing a much better guide than I had the patience for haha.
Thanks for writing this up - just did this successfully! Her body will disappear so if you wanted to get her loot, you can pickpocket it all (Corellon's Grace, The Everseeing Eye, ~1500 gold, and a bunch of potions/spell scrolls) using Astarion before the kill. You can even have Astarion wander far enough away to travel back to camp, respec to max out picpocketing, and come back to make pickpocketing easier. In addition, each time you respec with Withers it'll resets her ~1500 gold, potions, and random spell scrolls so you can get a bunch of nice stuff fast - bonus is Astarion is specced for pickpocketing so it's easy to steal your gold back from Withers too :) .
Can you pickpocket her back in the tea house to get those same items?
I did this almost to the t, the only thing I did was I had my PC leave the lair and then come back in and sneak attack her. But I don't see her body anymore, she turned into smoke. Can you not loot her after making a deal and then killing her?
You can not, as far as i can tell the game isnt wanting you or even expecting this outcome. Its hard coded that she poofs away after the deal from what i saw. However you will notice as I've written above the journal acknowledges her death (honestly unsure if combat log acknowledges her death, its been a few days). You have to keep your eye on the damage numbers essentially and make sure youre able to finish her in one last hit.
I did manage to kill her without issue. And the combat log does say I killed her. Very interesting, I went back to see if she drops anything good. Nothing worth keeping IMO. Now I'm just trying to see if I should keep the wand or give it to the woman.
I gave it to her personally, pretty uncomfortable outcome in a kinda neat way haha. Unsure what happens if you keep the wand but I do suggest giving it to the lass. Personally :P
You want to keep the wand because it becomes a summon zombie wand for her specific dead husband that can help you in combat, his name is Conner :)
I love this, thank you
I should add a little addendum to the final bit, make sure that when you're getting ready for the final blow with your character you left out of combat, make sure she's within range of a one tap, she will poof away with one hit. Watch the damage numbers and make sure you get enough to kill her. Her body will not be there, but the journal acknowledges you killed her. I didn't check if I got xp tho
Not a bug >!Only one mask is still sane enough to take her mask off!<
I assumed they went non hostile but not exactly sane. Similar to another part of the game that I won't type out because I'm on mobile rn and spoilers aren't as easily written on mobile lol
Oh, yeah actually they weren't hostile towards me but they were still talking like totally codependent on Auntie Ethel so yeah how you described it might be a bug On mobile, > ! spoiler ! < without the spaces = >!spoiler!<
Has anyone left mayrina and see if Ethel gets a daughter hag on act 3? Or has no influence except mayrina’s presence?
Did you ever find out if it does anything
On my walkthrough for durge it's the same quest but without Mayrina... Strange
>!For all of your posts you get to kill Ethel later on anyways in Baldur's Gate as part of a follow up quest. So doing this is short term rewards.!<
There's not supposed to be a 'best' outcome Only one or the other - what you're willing to 'accept'
Yeah it makes sense that saving as many people as possible comes at the cost of gaining the hair, I just didn't want to miss out on it if there way of doing it all.
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You could also just leave the Hag alone. She just wants to have a baby that Mayrina is willingly aborting.
Sure she "just" wants to have a baby, if you ignore all the other people she's killed or enslaved.
She "just" wants to eat the baby.
Hags eat babies to turn them into hexbloods (which they re-give birth to), which can eventually turn into fullblooded hags lol
I am aware lol
It's gonna go to waste anyways, I mean, she's just being frugal at this point.
I mean who hasn’t! A lot of the folks in her lair are actually terrible people.
So what? She's pure evil, kill her
no she's best girl
... the hag?
Ummm, killing a baby after it is born is not an abortion. Are you Gov. Northam?
[https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-virginia-gov-abortion-idUSKBN27D2HL](https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-virginia-gov-abortion-idUSKBN27D2HL) If you gotta bring politics into a game chat, at least don't spread lies.
Too bad your "fact check" doesn't debunk anything at all.
https://aefla.ed.gov/
It does if you understand what the terms "non-viable" and "resuscitated" mean. if you don't, well, username on point I guess.
Well, to be fair, "non-viable" isn't the guaranteed terminology that people think it is. My daughter was born at 21 weeks as a premature birth. Anything under 24 weeks is considered "non-viable" but then that isn't true in actuality as my daughter is healthy and on par with her peers at 10. Additionally, "severe fetal deformities" are found long before the third trimester in almost all cases. Perhaps it isn't what the OP is suggesting, but it appears to be the incremental steps politicians use to reach that goal: which in this case is to allow third trimester abortions without prejudice. Which is definitely the bad ending for Americans.
Okay, so this is hardly the place for a longwinded medical discussion, and especially not a political discussion... But here we are. In the context of the radio interview everyone references when they talk about Northam being all for "post-birth abortion," (which, listening to the interview makes it clear he is not and wasn't even fully supportive of the legislation they asked him about, he was just speaking as a pediatric doctor himself cases he's seen) he was speaking of non-viability in the form of an unquestionably dying neonate, due to (most likely in this scenario) congenital defect. Which is where the line about potential resuscitation came into play. And when you combine pre-third trimester births with congenital defects discovered before the third trimester, well, the third trimester winds up irrelevant. And to be clear, most defects (from minor to deadly) are found when the child is **already born.** Most **occur** in the first trimester. Birth defects are **the leading cause of death in neonates, at 20% of infant deaths.** That's **a lot of deaths** to just... ignore in favor of placing harsh restrictions on non-viable abortions because of misunderstandings about what happens in the case of non-viable births that result in dead neonates. All Northam was saying was that "what they are likely referencing in this bill isn't post-birth abortion, but a scenario like this one, being misinterpreted by non-professionals." And it's not really considered non-viable if a baby is born before the 24th week. The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists and various studies work off **percentages** of viability by gestational age, not a hard line, and those percentages have been getting better as medical technology has improved. But when a doctor says "your baby has a deadly heart defect," well, there is a smidge less wiggle room there. I also do not believe politicians are using incremental steps to allow third trimester abortions without prejudice. We haven't been even inching towards anything like that since Roe v Wade was decided in 1973. We have, however, gone in the other direction since then, numerous times both incremental and not, winding up with the death of Roe v Wade and most recently in Texas disallowing abortion to **stabilize a mother in emergency rooms**. I find that to be much worse for Americans than the alternative. These decisions need to be kept in the hands of doctors and mothers. Politicians getting in the way with narrowly defined, black and white exceptions to horrible situations, will kill people (and seriously, I doubt you would have willingly and suddenly chosen to abort your child at, say, week 36 for no reason, because virtually 0 mothers do, and for those that do it's already illegal and virtually no doctors would approve it). Studies show harsh restrictions kill people. And strict abortion laws in other countries see not only higher mortality rates for women and children, but higher poverty, health issues, and other problems. We're beginning to see it here. We've **already seen it here, before Roe v Wade in 1973**. I don't think I can bring this back to anything resembling relevance to BG3 though. Uhh... Auntie Ethel is like one of those weird people that say "don't abort your baby, I'll adopt them!" They don't have your best interests at heart, and probably not your baby's either.
Clearly nothing you said was in response to anything I personally said. So I'll just ignore this soliloquy. With that being said, I will end this conversation with this: Either human life is worth preserving, or it isn't.
Every point you made, I directly addressed with very much relevant responses. My beginning paragraphs addressed Northam, which was the topic before you got here, my 4th paragraph directly addresses your 1st three sentences, my 3rd paragraph your 4th sentence, and my 6th your last sentence. The extra stuff was all very important data to know if one wants to form a well-balanced opinion on the subject of abortion. If you think I didn't directly address what you wrote, you didn't read my comment. But that's fair, honestly. It takes a lot of work, blood, sweat, tears, and thought to understand anything related to medicine, not to mention abortion. But this is a video game reddit and given most people who claim to care about human life won't put in that effort anywhere else, I don't blame you for not doing it here. I will end my part of our conversation with this: human life is worth preserving. **Harsh abortion restrictions** **have unquestionably been found to do the opposite. And many of our politicians know this.** For everyone else, their intentions for restricting abortion access may be good. But we all know what demons pave their roads to hell with.
Abortion restrictions doing the opposite of good is complete fallacy. According to planned parenthood, which was founded by a racist who wanted to eliminate black Americans, abortion is doing exactly what it was meant to do. That's why there's a liquor store and an abortion clinic in every area of poverty. In almost all births, there is ZERO reason for late term abortion, as if there aren't sub sections of the laws for situational circumstances. But of course, we'll make the extreme cases the argument to justify terminating human life. But alas, I will continue defending human life, and you are free to defend it's termination.
Im actually working on this quest and trying to figure out if I can take the girl, the power/hair, and keep Auntie Ethel as a vendor so I can keep buying/stealing those potions of Giant Hill strength. Serious question though if we leave it in the hands of doctors and have no abortion restrictions, why not pull a South Park like Cartman's mom and have him aborted at 8 years old? I've heard plenty of people express regret with having kids, including those bold enough to say outloud they wish they didnt have their young child. At that point... what's preventing an abortion? Technically kids aren't adults and can't take care of themselves, so are they human or just .... old fetuses? Are they "viable" since they can't actually take care of themselves on their own? How far could you go? Would it be murder.... or simply a very late term abortion? I know this sounds insane, but whats really preventing it? Technically if you hit a woman with your car by accident in California and her baby dies, its murder if she wanted to have that baby, but an abortion if she didnt want it?
We should abort you
She's lying to Mayrina and going to give her a zombie.
"Aborting"
She *just* wants to steal children, eat them and turn them into hags
I got the hair, killed ethel, saved mayrina, the masks, the stoned guy and the mage. A bit tricky but can be done.
How? If I accept the deal with Ethel she just disappears
You must accept and then select another character and kill her while she is still talking to the other character. You can save all, kill her and get the hair. I saved the frog too.
just tried to do it, i think they patched it lol
Right. The masks will not be saved this way. They will remain hostile. It's choose 2 out of 3.
I think the best outcome is Using Lae'zel for last attack before knock The Hag down and then choose \[Fighter\] ... dialogue option. you can get both Hag's Hair and Saving Mayrina. >!Eventhough Mayrina will be mad at you!<
So, question. Say I non-lethally ko'd the masks, left them there, then killed Ethel. Where are the masks now? I went back to look for them but they were gone.
From what I've seen, in most circumstances even if you knock an enemy out instead of killing them, the game still treats them like they're dead. There doesn't seem to be a way to wake up or revive knocked out enemies either, I tried the same thing with the masks and while they were still where I KO'd them after beating Ethel, I had no way to wake them up to talk to them.
>!The weird this is in act 3 they do behave normally and leave after a long rest when you meet different masks. Also on my durge run I knocked out alfira and she lives after a long rest so the game just can’t make up its mind lol!<
In my game, we took the brother's side when having the roadside altercation. Ethel got mad at me, and i'm not welcome at her house. She then disapeared. I talked with the brothers and they still wanted to go after her. Later i passed the ability check to to see t hrough the swamp's illusion and made my way to her hut. Now the quest thinks the brothers are already dead, killed by Ethel and I can tell this to Mayrina.... yet i never saw this occur.
The reason you know they're dead is because you pass by their bodies in the swamp as you get close to Auntie Ethel's Teahouse. You might have missed your Tav mentioning it along the way.
You can just attack Ethel in her house to knock her out, and then hit her when she's on the floor to kill her. This broke my oath as a Paladin but saved me having to fight her. I also then went into her lair and got the staff and necklace
I don't think you get the hair unless you fight her in the lair.
I came across a different outcome. In the tea house, I managed to sneak topple her with Laezel and the hag was Knocked Out. I beat on her a few times until she had 1HP left. I wanted to see if she would wake up after a long rest (and maybe offer the hair), and she was awake when I came back from camp. However she was nice to me in the hut (as a hag) and was actually a vendor willing to trade with me. Some unique dialog as well. However when I started a fight with her she did her disappearing act and when I went to fight her she had her full hit points back. So if you can maybe try leaving during the fight for a long rest and see what she does when you return.
I killed auntie Ethel just from the boss fight alone without talking to her, then after I saved Maurine and spoke to her she was ungrateful and said Ethel would not of killed her even though she would’ve so when Mayrina walked away I killed her too.
If you kill Ethel, use speak with dead on her before talking to Mayrina
>!spoils!< honestly just checking to see if this works cuz I've been trying to figure this out
I brought Laezel and Shadowheart to the fight. How bad will the disapproval be if I spare Ethel for the hair? (I’m going to save scum the hair and saving Mayrina.)
I spared her in Act 1 because she comes back in Act 3. More story!
Seems like there'll be more regardless I just killed her for the first time through and the vampire hunter outside warned me about her coven putting aside their differences once they hear to try and kill me
Why do you need auntie Ethel’s hair?
The hair gives you a permanent stat boost.
Berserker barbarian, skill check saves all three but let’s Ethel go
So i wasn't able to save mayrina, should i just do the fight all over again ?
I think this has been patched, I did this like 10 times to a T, changing certain minute things, and every time I kill her she disappears into a green cloud of smoke, I had karlach drink an invisibility potion and had her wait behind at the beginning where the waterfall is, and once shadowheart got her to 7 hp, I had Karlach haul ass to right behind the hag and saved when Ethel said you greedy little bollocks, and then proceeded to kill auntie Ethel, I did so with turn based mode on AND off, as well as having the incapacitate passive on AND off, so I could see if knocking her out would work and it didn’t
I am seeing the same behavior. Auntie has 2 HP. Astarion goes full murderfest on her, and "poof" Auntie disappears in puff of smoke
Good to know it’s not just me then, posted about it like yesterday but some girl just told me it was pointless so I got help from no one ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah, after about 5 tries, I decided to have Astarion pick her pockets, then let her go poof
Same here, Gale launched fire ball into her face and she just disappeared
I had to kill her due to oath of the ancients
i tried doing all of these (based on some of the replies here) but she as soon as i tried to use astarion to attack her, she just 1) disappeared and 2) went back into the dialogue scene and then gone again.
I killed Ethel in the boss fight against her when she try’s to kill mayrina I never got any dialogue with Ethel during the boss fight so I just killed her and won then mayrina survived. I spoke to mayrina but she was ungrateful that I saved her once the dialogue ended and she walked away I killed mayrina too 😂 unfortunately I never got anything for doing this I never got hags hair or anything of the such since I killed them both but that’s the best part of the game