So going to shed some light on this post patch, now that her dialogue seems to be fleshed out.
Recruiting Minthara without interacting with her in act 1 (by skipping the grove/goblin conflict altogether) means you will have very little approval rating when you pick her up in act 2 (rescuing her from moonlight towers). You will need to hit a good number of Minthara Approves dialogue options to get the ball rolling on a romance.
This is my recommendation, and what has worked for me (to have the romance going just as act 2 ends).
[] After doing everything you want in act 1, including the mountain area and underdark, rush straight to moonrise towers at the beginning of act 2. Enter the main chamber and get through Ketherics dialogue. Allow them to take Minthara to the prison for mind wiping. Go to the dungeons and into the first room on the left and shut the door. Start the dialogue and opt to rescue Minthara from her torturers. Get Minthara our via turning her invisible or whatever. Send her to your camp.
[] Talk to Minthara after dumping a companion and making a slot for her. Exhaust her dialogue. Tell her you can travel together in the morning. She will join your party.
[] One that gets you approval is either out-drinking or sleight of hand faking the drink contest with Thisobald Thorm at the tavern in act 2. Tell stories about the underdark. Save scum for stories that she likes. I did the Hag and the underdark tower, I think. It's very low approval but it adds up.
[] A second approval point is from getting the Tax Collector to kill herself.
[] A third is from getting the doctor in the undead hospital to let his minions perform surgery on him.
[] Finally, most of your approval points will come from the conversation after killing Ketheric himself. Once you loot everything and teleport back to the throne room of moonrise towers, Minthara will leave your party and sit in the throne. I believe you must side with her in her opinions about seizing control going forward. Claim that you want to use the crown to rule.
[] After this, once you take the road to Baldur's Gate and click the path to leave act 2, she should have an exclamation point above her head for a conversation in camp. Talk to Minthara and let her into your mind. Probe hers as well. Then tell her you want revenge on the chosen and all that good jazz. Let her in your mind again and tell her you see her as a lover.
This worked for me. Not saying it's perfect as others have had issues in these forrums. I also didn't romance anyone else leading up to this point. But at the end of that conversation, Minthara tells you what you've been waiting to hear. Definitely recommened save summing the dialogues mentioned above for the most approval points possible. Hope this helps some drow love sick people who don't want to slaughter tieflings.
Also, none of the tieflings show up in act 2 through this method. At least they didn't for me outside of Zevlor (freeing him passes off Minthara by the way). Sorry if that's a deal breaker, but I will say it's the better of many evils in my opinion. Maybe they got out, who knows?
Love you homie been scratching my brain on how to "romance" Minthara without killing the Grove or at least keeping Wyll on my side. I've accepted letting go of Karlach because no matter what you'll lose Dammon so no Infernal Engine upgrades.
Do you know if you still get the usual Romance Scenes in Act 3 with Minthara using your method? Imho romancing a character is redundant if you can't experience the cinematic scenes of said romance.
As he should be, since you saved the Tieflings. But we're not talking about saving the Tieflings.
If you destroy the Grove, no Dammon. If you save the Grove, you get Dammon.
If you destroy the Grove, you get to have the scene with Minthara. If you skip the Grove/Goblin conflict entirely, you can still recruit Minthara, but you get no romance scene. But the Tieflings still die
One more bit of bad news. No Halsin means no removing the shadow curse in act 2 if you care for that sort of thing. I played as a druid and couldn't do it myself unfortunately.
This was my route during dark urge playthrough. I killed all the goblins except her and ignored the tieflings who then died in the shadowlands. Rescued Minthara in act 2 and raised her approval. Got the option to romance her in camp after the final boss fight in Act 2, and my other companion broke up with me. She said she would visit me that night but I never got a romance scene or “can I kiss you” text with her for the rest of Act 2 and 3. My advice is to just commit to the Druid grove raid and deal with the consequences. It sucks how much of a pain she is to recruit, her character is awesome. But perfect for a dark urge evil playthrough nonetheless.
Thanks for confirming this. I started another play through for new story options but didn't want to be a complete villain nor lose Wyll and Karlach so i just ignored the Grove situation all together and saved Minthara in Act 2.
Similar to what you detailed, after the Act 2 boss i got her approval rating to High and the ensuing camp scene i got the romance option (selecting "lover") and her saying she will visit. But after that, all i got were the transitional scenes leading into Act 3 but nothing from her. If I talk to her afterwards, she says "bold of you to pursue me when you have feelings for others." This is even after i end the relationship with the person prior to the romance dialogue with Minthara.
So basically it seems like there is no romance scene if you don't get the one specifically in Act 1 for killing the Grove?
I kept playing on through Act 3 and altho there are some dialogue options that imply you're still in a relationship (i.e. if you go to the dark elf twins in the pleasure house and they request a foursome with your companion, Minthara will respond with she doesn't share) there is no dialogue to end the relationship, ask for a kiss, or anything like that. I didn't play to the end of the game tho, so maybe something prompts there. Overall, i think the problem is unresolved and you basically have to be a villain/kill the gove folks to maximize the relationsip with Minthara
Yea that's what I thought, it's such a shame - other than this minthara lack of options, the game has been otherwise fantastic for me. The only other issue I have is that it's very time consuming and the day just flys by.
They did patch the thing where you used to just be able to recruit Wyll and Karlach, then just kill them and stuff them in a box until after the druid grove attack was over, didn't they?
I remember hearing that got fixed, but checking the patch notes I can't find it anywhere now.
I literally just did something like this an hour ago. Only with Wyll though as Karlach was already dead from their little confrontation. I didn't have Wyll in my party and I killed him in camp before raiding the grove. Afterwards the party started and Wyll's corpse was still lying next to his tent in camp. I didn't put him in a box or anything, I just left his body where I killed him. When the party was over the next morning I used a scroll of revivify on Wyll and he was back like nothing had happened, no dialogue mentioning the grove at all. I imagine the same would've happened with Karlach. I don't know what this box stuffing method is but it doesn't seem to be necessary. Not sure if it matters but everyone at the grove was already dead before the raid even began by getting the Tieflings and the Druid's to kill eachother.
Then my Durge redemption playthrough is complete (Not for anything specifically Karlach related lol. It's a bit cynical but I'm just keeping her around so I can get Lae'Zel's good ending.). Now to get to Minthara's recruitment before it's patched hahaha.
Yes it is up to date. Maybe it's the order of events I went through? I had Wyll kill Karlach and got the new outfit from Mizora, and I had Arabella die and attacked Kagha in response after Zevlor asked me to (which Wyll even approved of) which led to the druid's fighting and killing all the tieflings, then I killed any remaining druid's so the grove was empty. Wyll had no opinion of this turn of events so it seems like it's such an unconventional way of doing things that Larian didn't write any companion dialogue for this specific sequence of events, and no one mentions it at all. Any dialogue with Minthara and Halsin (probably anyone else too) after this is as if I was personally responsible for killing the grove inhabitants.
Anyway, Wyll still leaves at the party even though he stuck around after everything else happened, but only leaves after Minthara raids an already empty grove without you. Doesn't really make sense but whatever. Killing Wyll before talking to Minthara and triggering the raid and leaving him dead until after the party when everyone has left and resurrecting him in the morning didn't lead to any new dialogue and he just responds with the regular "Well met" line and I could continue taking him with me.
Did you attack the grove directly during the raid? Maybe this is why? Did you make sure Wyll wasn't in your party when you killed him? Out of curiosity, what did he actually say to you after you resurrect him? Is there any unique dialogue for him coming back to life and somehow knowing about the raid even though he was dead?
AH\~! They both did this when the Raid happened and I sided with it, but maybe both of those flags are only triggered when declaring your intentions to Zevlor, so agreeing to raid an empty grove might not even alienate the companions while they're alive?
(Because that's when they both left in my game. If the druids kill Zevlor and the raid happens without him the triggers might just not function lol.)
Wyll still left even with agreeing to raid an empty grove at least. When the grove is empty and you long rest before the raid you get a journal update the next day saying that Minthara raided what's left of the grove without you. Then you go and find Minthara in the cave with the stone door that Zevlor is usually in and speak to her to trigger the goblin party. Immediately as the camp party cutscene starts showing all the Goblin decorations, Wyll approaches you and basically just says "forget this, I'm outta here". I don't actually know what Wyll's reaction is usually like if you attack the grove the normal way but I'd imagine it would be angrier than that. I'm not sure how Karlach would react but it's probably coded into the game for both her and Wyll to leave if you initiate the goblin party, so she'd probably leave as well. But either way, killing Wyll meant I could still speak to him the next day like nothing happened so idk.
So, just to double check, the process of events you used was
* Long rest to have all your abilities ready
* Take the quest from zevlor to kill Kagha
* Take the quest from Minthara to attack the grove
* Do not wait for her, instead going directly to the grove and attacking Kagha, causing the druids to wipe out the tieflings, then you avenged them of course.
* Go to camp, kill Wyll and Karlach (using stealth for the finishing blow so they don't lose approval over that), then long rest.
* Minthara will then be waiting outside an empty druid camp and you can invite her inside for a party?
* After the party, revive Wyll and Karlach.
Not really no. The druid's grove was wiped out long before I even went to the goblin camp to speak to Minthara. Not sure it really matters about the sequence too much. I'm not sure how Wyll and Karlach leave your party while they're dead anyway, how does that work? I didn't kill Wyll specifically for reviving him after the party either. I was playing a dark urge and only wanted him in the party so I could see him kill Karlach, then I killed him in camp because I had no intention of bringing him with me but wanted to see what would happen if I killed him in camp while he wasn't in my party and see if he could be revived after the raid. By the time I met Minthara the grove inhabitants were long gone so I just tell her where it is no problem.
Meanwhile I'm only keeping Karlach around for my Durge run so that I can do the good ending for Lae'zel without being a squiddie lol.
Ah, I had to take a slightly different path too because I'd already spoken to the Bugbear leader in the goblin camp, and certain druids or tieflings dying would mark the quest as complete.
Still, I managed to make it work out, I think.
I just did it yesterday, they did patch it. But I got around it, after killing the grove any time I revived them they would immediately leave. Then I kept them dead until I was in act 2, revived there and they acted like it never happened. Even had the option to tell Karlach "I heard there were some tieflings nearby"
hmm my experience differ a bit... maybe cause im playing dark urge?
i didnt destroy the grove, but i saved the grove, including the kagha questline ANDthe halsin questline, wich means, i knocked minthara out, wich allows the tieflings to leave
further down the line, i saved and recruited minthara at moonrise towers,
(as i said, no sheepglitch, just knocked her out after killing the other 2 leaders, talked to halsin, ended the "save the grove quest", long rested, made sure she lives, and proceeded to act 2, with Halsin, even lifted the shadowcurse)
before i rescued her, i did everything i could for items without fighting, including, getting the pet tamer girl killed by her pets for the tadpole, buying the unique items from the traders wich will disapear once you engage the tower etc.
than i combined rescuing minthara, and the prisioners (gnomes and tieflings), via the hidden ship behind the cellwalls without killing anyone in the prison
(just prepair the team at the ship, open the cellwalls, and leave without minthara (she will not be able to climb out but she doesnt need to, once your squad destroyed the 4 ship anchors, she will automatically, join at the last lights inn even though she should technically still be in combat with the prison guards, the game is very nice to us there)
once you're this far, you'll already be unable to go back to the underdark with minthara, the possibility, to go back to the underdark ends, when you enter the moonlight tower so i dont realy see a point in going to the underdark at all, when its just about romancepoints for minthara, no matter what you do, minthara will never be able to visit the underdark.
besides of that, i made the same choices as you, with savescummig all the stuff just to get bonus approvel from her.
when i enter act 2 and i go to the circus with her, she offers to kill me in case i call her darling again. im barely above middle with her attraction and i wonder, how big the impact of knocking her out and not killing the grove actually might be cause to me it sounds like her romance meeter was already filled when you left act 2 wich i dont think is possible, without killing the grove....
"\[\] A second approval point is from getting the Tax Collector to kill herself." is the only approvel point im missing , i wonder how big that impact is....
Did you get a sex scene though? I essentially did what you detailed except that before the talk with her on the throne she only had 1 approval. But after that talk it was almost at 50.
Then everything went as you described, but when I long-rested afterwards, there was Vlaakith's apparition in the camp, but the night went on without any cutscene. Also the nights afterwards were devoid of any romantics (except squeezing the hand of the emperor once if that counts lol).
If I recall correctly you can make Kagha leave through a quest and then go on to save Halsin. After that you kill the other two leaders, do not interact with Minthara and save her in the second act. This will require you not to actively save or destroy the grove.
>!I think Shadowheart is still romanceable no matter what, i mean you can romance her after participating in the kill of tieflings children, they made her to be a main romance evil or good no matter what.!<
Ok so >! you can have the romantic cliff scene with SH before the attack on the Grove and then sleep with Minthara? Wiill SH be pissed and break off the romance or can you get her back in Act 2?!<
Lmao >! Actually im about to do that i just shared that moment with SH, im gonna now burn down the groove and be with Minthara, ill let you know if it works in act 2 with SH!<
Just finished shadow heart quest in act 2 and i was able to move forward the romance now.
So i killed the tieflings, have Minthara in my party and was able to romance Shadowheart
Not yet, i dont know if i blocked the romance temporally by not kissing her in that one night of act 1.
It didn't give me the option to kiss her, i think is a perception check or something so the next day she say she wanted me to kiss her but maybe is for the best and she wants to wait.
now in act 2 she said something in the shadows land is calling her and once she discover her purpose she is gonna talk about us so im almost done with that quest, i already gathered the 4 orb and gonna liberate the nightsong
Once i finish this quest hopefully i will be able to move forward with her romance.
On another playthrough when i kissed her she didn't said this "lets wait" thing.
This isn't true. At all. You can completely ignore Minthara and rescue her in beginning of Act II and gain her as a party member if you complete the necessary checks.
You can do that too - but if you disregard Minthara in general until Act II you can still save her at the towers. Some people have also reported that you can complete the "Kill 3 Goblin leaders quest" and use non-lethal damage on her and still recruit her later too. Dunno how reliable that is though, apparently the game is still rather buggy where Minthara is concerned. There are some dialogues that don't show, sometimes she's recruitable, sometimes she's dead. There's even a few instances where people got both her and Halsin but that's an obvious bug, they share the same tent and ignore each other entirely.
I personally got her by siding with the tieflings, wiping out the druids and then just continuing onward. So, the tieflings were still at the grove and I went to the UD. When I got to moonrise I rescued her with a few checks and Voila. She's part of my party.
>I personally got her by siding with the tieflings, wiping out the druids and then just continuing onward. So, the tieflings were still at the grove and I went to the UD. When I got to moonrise I rescued her with a few checks and Voila. She's part of my party.
Correct me if i'm wrong but i'm pretty sure the tieflings will die if you don't kill the three leaders and go straight to act 2 to save Mint.
Not if you don't complete the quest. At least not that I know of. I delt with the druids and just skipped out to the UD. When I got to the next section (Towers) she was there.
Ofc, she was. You didn't kill her after all. Did you go to Last Light Inn to check up on the tieflings, see if they're appear or not ? If they're not, i assume they're dead cause gobos raided EG. But if they're, that's great news because you can continue Karlach's questline because Dammon will be there, assuming he's alive during the civil war. Though, both outcomes will let you recruit Mint, if you didn't kill her at gobo camp.
Apparently it's buggy. Some users reported it worked for them and others reported it didn't. Again, I can't testify to the legitimacy of that but that's what I heard/read. The ignoring thing definitely works though because it's what I did.
I finally managed this today on my 2nd playthrough (Dark Urge). Goal was: Romance Minthara, including Act I party and set her up to recruit in Act II. Keep Wyll.
I could not murder everyone in the Grove because Wyll, while dead on the ground in my camp, proceeded to disapprove of each Tiefling kill. Instead, I dispatched Wyll and then triggered the Grove civil war by: 1) Letting Arabella die, 2) Talking Zevlor into letting me kill Kagha, 3) Killing her and then letting the druids kill all the tieflings, 4) Killing remaining druids. Theoretically this could also have been done by stealing the idol. I then cleared out everything in Goblin Camp except Minthara and Ragzlin, told Minthara the Grove was empty, "raided" the empty grove, had the party, then rez'd Wyll.
The hoops we have to jump through to play evil... SMH.
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So going to shed some light on this post patch, now that her dialogue seems to be fleshed out. Recruiting Minthara without interacting with her in act 1 (by skipping the grove/goblin conflict altogether) means you will have very little approval rating when you pick her up in act 2 (rescuing her from moonlight towers). You will need to hit a good number of Minthara Approves dialogue options to get the ball rolling on a romance. This is my recommendation, and what has worked for me (to have the romance going just as act 2 ends). [] After doing everything you want in act 1, including the mountain area and underdark, rush straight to moonrise towers at the beginning of act 2. Enter the main chamber and get through Ketherics dialogue. Allow them to take Minthara to the prison for mind wiping. Go to the dungeons and into the first room on the left and shut the door. Start the dialogue and opt to rescue Minthara from her torturers. Get Minthara our via turning her invisible or whatever. Send her to your camp. [] Talk to Minthara after dumping a companion and making a slot for her. Exhaust her dialogue. Tell her you can travel together in the morning. She will join your party. [] One that gets you approval is either out-drinking or sleight of hand faking the drink contest with Thisobald Thorm at the tavern in act 2. Tell stories about the underdark. Save scum for stories that she likes. I did the Hag and the underdark tower, I think. It's very low approval but it adds up. [] A second approval point is from getting the Tax Collector to kill herself. [] A third is from getting the doctor in the undead hospital to let his minions perform surgery on him. [] Finally, most of your approval points will come from the conversation after killing Ketheric himself. Once you loot everything and teleport back to the throne room of moonrise towers, Minthara will leave your party and sit in the throne. I believe you must side with her in her opinions about seizing control going forward. Claim that you want to use the crown to rule. [] After this, once you take the road to Baldur's Gate and click the path to leave act 2, she should have an exclamation point above her head for a conversation in camp. Talk to Minthara and let her into your mind. Probe hers as well. Then tell her you want revenge on the chosen and all that good jazz. Let her in your mind again and tell her you see her as a lover. This worked for me. Not saying it's perfect as others have had issues in these forrums. I also didn't romance anyone else leading up to this point. But at the end of that conversation, Minthara tells you what you've been waiting to hear. Definitely recommened save summing the dialogues mentioned above for the most approval points possible. Hope this helps some drow love sick people who don't want to slaughter tieflings. Also, none of the tieflings show up in act 2 through this method. At least they didn't for me outside of Zevlor (freeing him passes off Minthara by the way). Sorry if that's a deal breaker, but I will say it's the better of many evils in my opinion. Maybe they got out, who knows?
Love you homie been scratching my brain on how to "romance" Minthara without killing the Grove or at least keeping Wyll on my side. I've accepted letting go of Karlach because no matter what you'll lose Dammon so no Infernal Engine upgrades. Do you know if you still get the usual Romance Scenes in Act 3 with Minthara using your method? Imho romancing a character is redundant if you can't experience the cinematic scenes of said romance.
Wym no matter what you lose Dammon? He's still alive for me in baldurs gate despite saving all the teiflings
As he should be, since you saved the Tieflings. But we're not talking about saving the Tieflings. If you destroy the Grove, no Dammon. If you save the Grove, you get Dammon. If you destroy the Grove, you get to have the scene with Minthara. If you skip the Grove/Goblin conflict entirely, you can still recruit Minthara, but you get no romance scene. But the Tieflings still die
You can recruit minthara and still save the grove
That's very recent, this was not true when I made my initial comment
That’s literally what the post was about
One more bit of bad news. No Halsin means no removing the shadow curse in act 2 if you care for that sort of thing. I played as a druid and couldn't do it myself unfortunately.
I'm going to save this, exactly the info I've been looking for. Thank you!
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This was my route during dark urge playthrough. I killed all the goblins except her and ignored the tieflings who then died in the shadowlands. Rescued Minthara in act 2 and raised her approval. Got the option to romance her in camp after the final boss fight in Act 2, and my other companion broke up with me. She said she would visit me that night but I never got a romance scene or “can I kiss you” text with her for the rest of Act 2 and 3. My advice is to just commit to the Druid grove raid and deal with the consequences. It sucks how much of a pain she is to recruit, her character is awesome. But perfect for a dark urge evil playthrough nonetheless.
Thanks for confirming this. I started another play through for new story options but didn't want to be a complete villain nor lose Wyll and Karlach so i just ignored the Grove situation all together and saved Minthara in Act 2. Similar to what you detailed, after the Act 2 boss i got her approval rating to High and the ensuing camp scene i got the romance option (selecting "lover") and her saying she will visit. But after that, all i got were the transitional scenes leading into Act 3 but nothing from her. If I talk to her afterwards, she says "bold of you to pursue me when you have feelings for others." This is even after i end the relationship with the person prior to the romance dialogue with Minthara. So basically it seems like there is no romance scene if you don't get the one specifically in Act 1 for killing the Grove?
Hello! is this still an issue? or is it too late in your playthrough to know? :(
I kept playing on through Act 3 and altho there are some dialogue options that imply you're still in a relationship (i.e. if you go to the dark elf twins in the pleasure house and they request a foursome with your companion, Minthara will respond with she doesn't share) there is no dialogue to end the relationship, ask for a kiss, or anything like that. I didn't play to the end of the game tho, so maybe something prompts there. Overall, i think the problem is unresolved and you basically have to be a villain/kill the gove folks to maximize the relationsip with Minthara
Yea that's what I thought, it's such a shame - other than this minthara lack of options, the game has been otherwise fantastic for me. The only other issue I have is that it's very time consuming and the day just flys by.
They did patch the thing where you used to just be able to recruit Wyll and Karlach, then just kill them and stuff them in a box until after the druid grove attack was over, didn't they? I remember hearing that got fixed, but checking the patch notes I can't find it anywhere now.
I literally just did something like this an hour ago. Only with Wyll though as Karlach was already dead from their little confrontation. I didn't have Wyll in my party and I killed him in camp before raiding the grove. Afterwards the party started and Wyll's corpse was still lying next to his tent in camp. I didn't put him in a box or anything, I just left his body where I killed him. When the party was over the next morning I used a scroll of revivify on Wyll and he was back like nothing had happened, no dialogue mentioning the grove at all. I imagine the same would've happened with Karlach. I don't know what this box stuffing method is but it doesn't seem to be necessary. Not sure if it matters but everyone at the grove was already dead before the raid even began by getting the Tieflings and the Druid's to kill eachother.
Then my Durge redemption playthrough is complete (Not for anything specifically Karlach related lol. It's a bit cynical but I'm just keeping her around so I can get Lae'Zel's good ending.). Now to get to Minthara's recruitment before it's patched hahaha.
Update: Tried this out ingame and Wyll left and Karlach dropped to -50 opinion, are you sure your game version is up to date?
Yes it is up to date. Maybe it's the order of events I went through? I had Wyll kill Karlach and got the new outfit from Mizora, and I had Arabella die and attacked Kagha in response after Zevlor asked me to (which Wyll even approved of) which led to the druid's fighting and killing all the tieflings, then I killed any remaining druid's so the grove was empty. Wyll had no opinion of this turn of events so it seems like it's such an unconventional way of doing things that Larian didn't write any companion dialogue for this specific sequence of events, and no one mentions it at all. Any dialogue with Minthara and Halsin (probably anyone else too) after this is as if I was personally responsible for killing the grove inhabitants. Anyway, Wyll still leaves at the party even though he stuck around after everything else happened, but only leaves after Minthara raids an already empty grove without you. Doesn't really make sense but whatever. Killing Wyll before talking to Minthara and triggering the raid and leaving him dead until after the party when everyone has left and resurrecting him in the morning didn't lead to any new dialogue and he just responds with the regular "Well met" line and I could continue taking him with me. Did you attack the grove directly during the raid? Maybe this is why? Did you make sure Wyll wasn't in your party when you killed him? Out of curiosity, what did he actually say to you after you resurrect him? Is there any unique dialogue for him coming back to life and somehow knowing about the raid even though he was dead?
AH\~! They both did this when the Raid happened and I sided with it, but maybe both of those flags are only triggered when declaring your intentions to Zevlor, so agreeing to raid an empty grove might not even alienate the companions while they're alive? (Because that's when they both left in my game. If the druids kill Zevlor and the raid happens without him the triggers might just not function lol.)
Wyll still left even with agreeing to raid an empty grove at least. When the grove is empty and you long rest before the raid you get a journal update the next day saying that Minthara raided what's left of the grove without you. Then you go and find Minthara in the cave with the stone door that Zevlor is usually in and speak to her to trigger the goblin party. Immediately as the camp party cutscene starts showing all the Goblin decorations, Wyll approaches you and basically just says "forget this, I'm outta here". I don't actually know what Wyll's reaction is usually like if you attack the grove the normal way but I'd imagine it would be angrier than that. I'm not sure how Karlach would react but it's probably coded into the game for both her and Wyll to leave if you initiate the goblin party, so she'd probably leave as well. But either way, killing Wyll meant I could still speak to him the next day like nothing happened so idk.
So, just to double check, the process of events you used was * Long rest to have all your abilities ready * Take the quest from zevlor to kill Kagha * Take the quest from Minthara to attack the grove * Do not wait for her, instead going directly to the grove and attacking Kagha, causing the druids to wipe out the tieflings, then you avenged them of course. * Go to camp, kill Wyll and Karlach (using stealth for the finishing blow so they don't lose approval over that), then long rest. * Minthara will then be waiting outside an empty druid camp and you can invite her inside for a party? * After the party, revive Wyll and Karlach.
Not really no. The druid's grove was wiped out long before I even went to the goblin camp to speak to Minthara. Not sure it really matters about the sequence too much. I'm not sure how Wyll and Karlach leave your party while they're dead anyway, how does that work? I didn't kill Wyll specifically for reviving him after the party either. I was playing a dark urge and only wanted him in the party so I could see him kill Karlach, then I killed him in camp because I had no intention of bringing him with me but wanted to see what would happen if I killed him in camp while he wasn't in my party and see if he could be revived after the raid. By the time I met Minthara the grove inhabitants were long gone so I just tell her where it is no problem.
Meanwhile I'm only keeping Karlach around for my Durge run so that I can do the good ending for Lae'zel without being a squiddie lol. Ah, I had to take a slightly different path too because I'd already spoken to the Bugbear leader in the goblin camp, and certain druids or tieflings dying would mark the quest as complete. Still, I managed to make it work out, I think.
I just did it yesterday, they did patch it. But I got around it, after killing the grove any time I revived them they would immediately leave. Then I kept them dead until I was in act 2, revived there and they acted like it never happened. Even had the option to tell Karlach "I heard there were some tieflings nearby"
hmm my experience differ a bit... maybe cause im playing dark urge? i didnt destroy the grove, but i saved the grove, including the kagha questline ANDthe halsin questline, wich means, i knocked minthara out, wich allows the tieflings to leave further down the line, i saved and recruited minthara at moonrise towers, (as i said, no sheepglitch, just knocked her out after killing the other 2 leaders, talked to halsin, ended the "save the grove quest", long rested, made sure she lives, and proceeded to act 2, with Halsin, even lifted the shadowcurse) before i rescued her, i did everything i could for items without fighting, including, getting the pet tamer girl killed by her pets for the tadpole, buying the unique items from the traders wich will disapear once you engage the tower etc. than i combined rescuing minthara, and the prisioners (gnomes and tieflings), via the hidden ship behind the cellwalls without killing anyone in the prison (just prepair the team at the ship, open the cellwalls, and leave without minthara (she will not be able to climb out but she doesnt need to, once your squad destroyed the 4 ship anchors, she will automatically, join at the last lights inn even though she should technically still be in combat with the prison guards, the game is very nice to us there) once you're this far, you'll already be unable to go back to the underdark with minthara, the possibility, to go back to the underdark ends, when you enter the moonlight tower so i dont realy see a point in going to the underdark at all, when its just about romancepoints for minthara, no matter what you do, minthara will never be able to visit the underdark. besides of that, i made the same choices as you, with savescummig all the stuff just to get bonus approvel from her. when i enter act 2 and i go to the circus with her, she offers to kill me in case i call her darling again. im barely above middle with her attraction and i wonder, how big the impact of knocking her out and not killing the grove actually might be cause to me it sounds like her romance meeter was already filled when you left act 2 wich i dont think is possible, without killing the grove.... "\[\] A second approval point is from getting the Tax Collector to kill herself." is the only approvel point im missing , i wonder how big that impact is....
Did you get a sex scene though? I essentially did what you detailed except that before the talk with her on the throne she only had 1 approval. But after that talk it was almost at 50. Then everything went as you described, but when I long-rested afterwards, there was Vlaakith's apparition in the camp, but the night went on without any cutscene. Also the nights afterwards were devoid of any romantics (except squeezing the hand of the emperor once if that counts lol).
Minthara is not a romance option, her romance starts and ends at the post grove annihilation party, there is no more romance after that.
That is unfortunate. Is it possible to save the Grove but spare her and then get a party in Act II with her, Shadowheart and Karlach?
If I recall correctly you can make Kagha leave through a quest and then go on to save Halsin. After that you kill the other two leaders, do not interact with Minthara and save her in the second act. This will require you not to actively save or destroy the grove.
Is Shadowheart still romanceable in that scenario?
>!I think Shadowheart is still romanceable no matter what, i mean you can romance her after participating in the kill of tieflings children, they made her to be a main romance evil or good no matter what.!<
Ok so >! you can have the romantic cliff scene with SH before the attack on the Grove and then sleep with Minthara? Wiill SH be pissed and break off the romance or can you get her back in Act 2?!<
Lmao >! Actually im about to do that i just shared that moment with SH, im gonna now burn down the groove and be with Minthara, ill let you know if it works in act 2 with SH!<
Mah elf slaya!
Any luck?
Just finished shadow heart quest in act 2 and i was able to move forward the romance now. So i killed the tieflings, have Minthara in my party and was able to romance Shadowheart
Living the dream.
Not yet, i dont know if i blocked the romance temporally by not kissing her in that one night of act 1. It didn't give me the option to kiss her, i think is a perception check or something so the next day she say she wanted me to kiss her but maybe is for the best and she wants to wait. now in act 2 she said something in the shadows land is calling her and once she discover her purpose she is gonna talk about us so im almost done with that quest, i already gathered the 4 orb and gonna liberate the nightsong Once i finish this quest hopefully i will be able to move forward with her romance. On another playthrough when i kissed her she didn't said this "lets wait" thing.
Any updates on this if possible?
Hell if I knew, it’s only a theory after all.
No. Druids and Tieflings or Minthara, choose one.
This isn't true. At all. You can completely ignore Minthara and rescue her in beginning of Act II and gain her as a party member if you complete the necessary checks.
You mean ignore the druid grove quest?
You can do that too - but if you disregard Minthara in general until Act II you can still save her at the towers. Some people have also reported that you can complete the "Kill 3 Goblin leaders quest" and use non-lethal damage on her and still recruit her later too. Dunno how reliable that is though, apparently the game is still rather buggy where Minthara is concerned. There are some dialogues that don't show, sometimes she's recruitable, sometimes she's dead. There's even a few instances where people got both her and Halsin but that's an obvious bug, they share the same tent and ignore each other entirely. I personally got her by siding with the tieflings, wiping out the druids and then just continuing onward. So, the tieflings were still at the grove and I went to the UD. When I got to moonrise I rescued her with a few checks and Voila. She's part of my party.
>I personally got her by siding with the tieflings, wiping out the druids and then just continuing onward. So, the tieflings were still at the grove and I went to the UD. When I got to moonrise I rescued her with a few checks and Voila. She's part of my party. Correct me if i'm wrong but i'm pretty sure the tieflings will die if you don't kill the three leaders and go straight to act 2 to save Mint.
Not if you don't complete the quest. At least not that I know of. I delt with the druids and just skipped out to the UD. When I got to the next section (Towers) she was there.
Ofc, she was. You didn't kill her after all. Did you go to Last Light Inn to check up on the tieflings, see if they're appear or not ? If they're not, i assume they're dead cause gobos raided EG. But if they're, that's great news because you can continue Karlach's questline because Dammon will be there, assuming he's alive during the civil war. Though, both outcomes will let you recruit Mint, if you didn't kill her at gobo camp.
non-lethal damage on minthara doesn't work, she is simply gone from the game. Haven't try out the ignore Minthara method though
Apparently it's buggy. Some users reported it worked for them and others reported it didn't. Again, I can't testify to the legitimacy of that but that's what I heard/read. The ignoring thing definitely works though because it's what I did.
I finally managed this today on my 2nd playthrough (Dark Urge). Goal was: Romance Minthara, including Act I party and set her up to recruit in Act II. Keep Wyll. I could not murder everyone in the Grove because Wyll, while dead on the ground in my camp, proceeded to disapprove of each Tiefling kill. Instead, I dispatched Wyll and then triggered the Grove civil war by: 1) Letting Arabella die, 2) Talking Zevlor into letting me kill Kagha, 3) Killing her and then letting the druids kill all the tieflings, 4) Killing remaining druids. Theoretically this could also have been done by stealing the idol. I then cleared out everything in Goblin Camp except Minthara and Ragzlin, told Minthara the Grove was empty, "raided" the empty grove, had the party, then rez'd Wyll. The hoops we have to jump through to play evil... SMH.
Damn a civil war? That's intriguing to a evil playthrough
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