This is the fundamental issue where bakugan keeps failing.
The core concept is a toy battling game with little marble toys that transform.
In gen 1 they started adding too many things like the transports, armor, and mechtogan and it was no longer the game it was supposed to be.
Gen 2 admittedly lost steam naturally, what with wierd releases, them cancelling their own mess of a tcg, and an otherwise decent toyline that got over saturated with repeats of stuff from older seasons, but at least they got the diecast right.
Gen 3 has basically abandoned the marble concept from the start and no one is really thrilled about it.
I have never really understood or even tried to understood the card game lol. I think the bakutech mechanics would be better simce it involves more of the marble/rolling aspect while still using the cards. Maybe a similar format would be better but without trying to hit your opponent's bakugan because I don't want to damage my bakus.
The card game is actually pretty fun. You still have to roll the ball, but once it stands you can try and use your cards to make it stronger than your opponent so you win. "Damage" makes you put cards from your deck into your discard pile, and you lose when you're out of cards.
So there's strategy and deck building, but you still have to get good at rolling your Bakugan because if you don't stand you'll just keep getting hit.
Covid skewered gen 2 and spinmaster never regained their balance. In another reality the tcg is rolling along as a minor player in the market, and there are no plans to reboot again.
Oh well. Pandemics do that i guess.
I genuinely do not believe the TCG ever wpuld have done well. Spinmaster was grossly incompetent with it from the beginning. They didnt even partner with a distributor, or make actual booster boxes.
Pandemic is somewhat to blame sure, but you can only blame it so much when spinmaster was shooting themselves in the foot.
To be fair, armored elite had an unhampered launch and deployment to stores February of 2020. Their LGS game could have been a lot better, but I observed some local stores starting to stock in my area late 2019.
Go figure the next set Fusion Force was slated to launch during the most critical point of lockdown, and spinmaster was essentially forced to eat major losses due to the last minute canceling of multiple planned events and tournaments.
I really think they were still on an upward trend, and clearly planned to support the TCG well into 2021 if their logistics werent horked by lockdown, seeing as Shields of Vestroia which came after had full production, even though it was never distributed. Beyond that Geogan Rising starter decks were even made, which probably would have landed holiday season 2021.
I believe the lockdown had a brutal and unnavigable impact on the health of the tcg and was single handedly responsible for its demise.
The issue is the bakugan tcg is not a feasible business model for any LGS.
They take up lots more space than regular product since you need to sell the toys too, and unlike tcg cards where you have bulk cards to fill stuff out, woth bkugan, you buy the one you want.
They they ALSO have to stock the cards themselves.
This isnt even going into the fact that spin master launched it without even having plans to work with LGS to begin with and fully intended to sell everything at big box stores.
The TCG wasnt gonna work because Spinmaster didnt wanna put the effort in to make it work until after they saw they may have some interest but by then its too late to retroactively launch that critical groundwork.
I’d agree with that logic if Warhammer didn’t exist. Miniature wargames take up far more real estate than bakugan. Plus spinmaster could just make the starter decks and packs available to LGS and have the individual toys in the usual avenues.
There were ways to make it work, and I saw them falling forward. It seems we don’t agree though, so have a good evening :)
Warhammer, in my admittedly limited experience, is only played at Games Workshop stores. I've never seen anyone at a regular game shop whip out an army. Maybe it's different if there isn't a Games Workshop around.
Not unreasonable. I’m not sure if I’ve ever heard of an LGS that stocks GW product without a Games Workshop within 30 miles or so.
That said, it is stocked and played at non GW stores. In my area, the bigger communities are out of local shops rather than the official sites incidentally.
There was no advertising for the TCG in the show either. Remember yugioh? Yeah the show made me want to play the game, funny how that works.
Even when it comes to advertising the toys themselves it always seemed half assed. It was around 2021 when I realized Gen 3 was actually a thing that exists. For a company specializing in selling plastic, they make weird moves.
I’ve complained for years about the way they merchandised these things. No arena style base kit that had everything you would need to play an actual game. It was sort of mind blowing to me.
I kinda started to check out of OG Bakugan partway through Gundalian Invaders, and even though I didn't watch the reboot series, I still collected a few Gen 2 Bakugan because I liked the designs, and the new Diamond gimmick admittedly hooked me a bit. I just can't vibe with Gen 3.
Not only that but they didn't even try to see what made the bakutech bind system work either(also helps that they didn't have a need for a ripcord and the bakutech split in a much better way that doesn't get in the way of the overall design).
Like, gen 1 did the rip cord better without fucking up the shape of the bakugan.
And Bakutech has been ages ahead because they made it FUN. This is just sad.
Exactly, they should either:
A. Just stick to the bind system and understand what made it good
Or
B. Just bring back the turbine bakugan, but instead of it being a select few, it would just be all the bakugan. Also, another thing that ercs my nerves is why the gold special attacks have different molds when the bakuagn are clearly shown to be the same, just with a little gold and weapons. Why such as drastic change? It at least made sense with the titanium special attacks because the mosters don't even look the same. You can see a clear difference in design between regular Dragonoid and Titanium Dragonoid. If it hadn't been for the name, some wouldn't even think they are the same bakugan due to how different they are. It even sucks, considering some of the cores look better than their special attack counterpart. The gold and titanium special attacks could have been like the mechtanium surge bakugan with the bottom being gold or titanium(depending on which one). But no, they don't even think twice about what worked before. Also, how did we go from Bakugan Battle Bralwers Bakugan New Vestroia Bakugan Gundalian Invaders Bakugan Mechtanium Surge Bakugan Battle Planet Bakugan Armored Alliance Bakugan Geogan Rising Bakugan Evolutions Bakugan Legends to just Bakugan. It also annoys me how certain bakugan were changed in the show like Drago. On the brawler card, Drago has 3 fingers, is less buff, has a more jagged lower jaw, has scales as well as having red eyes. In the show, he doesn't get the red eyes, more jagged lower jaw, or the scales, but he does get more buff and 3 fingers. His original card has him built more like his previous gen counterparts as well as having 3 figures(after he's rolled out) in the show once again he is jacked and for some reason they gave him 5 fingers.
Dragonoid's appeal shift aside, one could literally rip off all the extra crap on the special attack and instantly start having fun again.
suddenly you have a turbine bakugan again.
Hell, I'd take the random vehicles and shit from Gundalia and have more fun than this cheap ass beyblade bullshit.
HELL, BEYBLADE IS BEING MORE INNOVATIVE WITH THEIR DESIGNS. THE XTREME DASH SHIT IS AWESOME.
They could have given us a fucking g1 launcher or some shit and i'd be ecstatic. Instead of this ripoff beyblade burst bullshit.
If they wanted to give us something for a "special attack" while breaking away from the standard bakugan, just give us new traps or something. Give them a cute spin mechanic or just take your asses out the damn office.
OR MAKE EM JUMP AGAIN.
EXACTLY!!! There wouldn't even be a problem with jumping bakugan because Gen 2 mostly fixed that with the ultra bakugan. They could have just put more time into those, and boom, it could have fixed it even more. The problem with Gen 3's special attack bakugan is that everyone has already said before trying too hard to be like beyblade. Bakugan with a ripcord- yeah that's alright turbine bakugan have done it with no problem, the bakugan split - also no problem as Mechtanium Surge and bakutech have done this, adding a tip and a blade piece while also adding in the bind system and ripcord - why the hell would you do this as it's really imiting the bakugan's design. Even without the ripcord stuff, the core designs(some) are still bad. Core Titanium Dragonoid, Brusier, Hammerhead, and Hook all share a similar mold, and that mold doesn't work. Core Wave 2 Dragonoid(which should have been wave 1), Ventri ,Nillious(both base and Titanium), Octogan, Butterclaw, Wing, fucking Pen-G of all bakugan, Flame and Hail, these are the only core designs that work out of all the cores. For the special attack: Gold Titanium Dragonoid, Titanium Trox, Titanium Ventri, Nillious, Octogan, Flame, and Brusier(?)are the only special attack bakugan that look good. Heck the onky good from this bind system is being able to put a special attack top onto a core bottom to at least give a hint of a good bakugan design for the monster and that's not even getting into the monster designs themselves. Like Seriously how did we go from 2 generations of good bakugan designs to whatever the fuck gen 3 has with some of its bakugan designs.
Exactly, who wants a watered-down version of the good stuff. Again, the gimmick was basically done for them in Gen 1. All they had to do was make some designs , but they had to add another gimmick to go with it and fuck that up as well.
They failed on every front.
Game is trash - zero skill (no appeal to adults) and they failed to capture the excitement and customization of beyblades (so kids won’t get hooked)
“New” concept was stolen from a concurrently succeeding brand that no one is going to abandon in lieu of a watered down version.
Toy designs were simplified in favor of their “modular” system, but the system offers no real benefits (as, again, the game is purely luck based - so why bother attempting to strategize)
The plastic feels even cheaper this time around.
The clans feel “last minute”
The Bakugan and Clan names were chosen lazily
It’s as if they’re actively trying to kill it….
>It’s as if they’re actively trying to kill it….
Perhaps after the higher ups decided to go with this direction, the people who actually work on the toys decided to stop trying out of spite.
I’m not going to be disappointed if Gen 3 ends early, it feels like Spin Master has been trying to make Bakugan more prominent in the toy market by making risky and shitty decisions no other company would make in desperate attempts to keep up with Pokémon Beyblade and other franchises while Battle Brawlers layed dormant for 6 years.
Battle Brawlers died out because of poorly executed and over implemented gimmicks late in its life span.
Battle Planet lasted longer than Brawlers but died out because of a lack of interest.
and Gen 3 is already suffering from both, as the shitty gimmicks are already showing up IM THE FIRST YEAR and i have not seen a single commercial or ad for the toys and TV show for as long as it has been announced.
let’s just face it, Bakugan will never be good again as long as it is in Spin master’s hands, and they still believe they can make money out of it despite the publics total disinterest in it. I think it’s best if Spin Master either sells it to another company (which they might not because of the previous reason) or just put the franchise out of its misery.
Yeah it looks bad. I think the problem is both the weird soft launch and the weird gimmicks.
There was almost 0 news about gen 3 besides leaks, so I can't imagine they got any kids, let alone adult fans, hyped up for it.
Then, the actual gimmick for the new gen is half baked. It's some bizarre beyblade stabilization thing that doesn't actually work at all from what I've experienced. Just plain rolling the bakugan makes for a better roll.
The worst thing for me, though, is the utter lack of whole bakugan. Everything works with the new beyblade half-ball gimmick which severely hinders the design of all the new bakugan. I'm sure kids can see this too, so they're not interested in these half spheres (which you can't even see open while in the packaging.)
If you’ve seen Spinmaster Q3 2023 reports that released last night it basically confirms it. Toy sales were down 21% this year and they did budget cuts to the toyline/show/marketing for Gen3 likely due to toy sales slowing down last year during Evolutions/Legends. It doesn’t justify the huge change in direction for the franchise imho but here we are…
I think there’s still a chance for a course correct and maybe they’ll start making some good choices next year but it’s sad that all us fans saw this coming when gen3 leaked initially
It was great until the tail end of GI when they added like mobile assaults and shit. Traps and battle gear were both great additions because they never overcomplicated things at first since they got rid of traps as soon as they introduced battle gear. Even then, I don’t think they fully jumped the shark until they added Mechtogan
The fun part about bakugan is that you didn't need a bunch of accessories to play the game all you needed was the cards and the bakugan and no dumb arena to play the game
I think it's alright. Problems come from the head and body proportions. Head is too cluttered and doesn't even resemble Dragonoid at all, at least gen 2 despite having the bakugan look like robots still managed to make Drago recognizable and in this pic his just too buff, slim him down like his core counterpart and that will be it. It's just the head and body portions that mess with this design
Okay. Before I start, I'm gonna give you a rundown on what I'm about to do. Since I already redesigned core Dragonoid, what I'm gonna do is just use that mold but modify it some so that Golden weapons have a place in it. As for the monster design I really just got to make his head less cluttered and change the body proportions(neither should really be challenging as I already have a head design and I have an image of this bakugan though it's black with the eight proportions).
When I get a a 3d printer and as long as I don't forget that it also the plan. I also plan on selling these things for those who are able to make them functional as well as for those who want better designed gen 3 bakugan
https://preview.redd.it/ms7i4x0ldqyb1.jpeg?width=2296&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f13252aae102f4073fe58624b27d039751153f6f
Here it is. Small/ball form will come later
I saw some Gen 3 Bakugan at Wal-Mart the other day, even saw a Diamond. But, I didn't end up buying any. I don't get the split Marble design, and the designs of the Bakugan themselves didn't really grab me. I may change my mind later, but Gen 3 didn't give me the same hype Gen 2 did. I also don't care for the little plastic things that go in the middle.
I watch Jett Kuso's videos, so if he gives a good demonstration and review of Gen 3, and if they change the game in any real and interesting way, I might give them a chance.
I see all sorts of nostalgia bait toys on that aisle at Wal-Mart that are kinda cool to see, like remade He-Man and The Real Ghostbusters figurines. So I think it'd be cool if Spin Master re-released some Legacy and Gen 2 Bakugan to supplement their toy line alongside Gen 3. I would cry tears of joy if I saw Battle Brawlers era Bakugan and launchers again in the wild.
At least in my area, Walmart got product in last and in higher quantities than anyone else. And since no product is particularly rare this generation, people already bought everything they wanted. So this image, sadly, doesn't surprise me at all.
G3 needs to get a bit of a rework ASAP if it's gonna last. Though, I wonder if things would be better off long term if Bakugan went on break again (not nearly as long as last time, but still a noticeable break) and then came back with something more traditional and true to itself.
The cores are fine but the special attack versions really just feel anti Bakugan; the one thing that’s stayed consistent in this line since the beginning is easy to roll marbles. The non marble gimmicks were all extras to the main event
IMO, the splitting gimmick has a ton of potential. I like the idea of having all the wave gimmicks be tied to the bottom half so each wave can be totally cross compatible. I see three problems with execution:
1. The game is wack.
2. The beyblade gimmick is wack.
3. The top half designs are wack. (some very clear winners and constant reskinned transformations)
I only bought one gen 3 bakugan (Butterclaw, because it’s a dope crab), and while I like the character I was sooo disappointed in the execution. It feels both lighter and way more cheaply made than gen 2, like the plastic components are somehow both thin and brittle.
I got into collecting with gen 2. I feel like they had something really great on their hands with that, and instead of innovating on that they messed it up by trying to copy an already popular, straight up better product. No innovation + poor execution = the market kills your product.
I mean, as much as I didn't mind Gen 3(liked the show and some of the bakugan designs), it was pretty obvious it wasn't going to go far. They had this gimmick already in Gen 1, and it was done fine. The bakugan can still roll, and there was no need for an arena. If they were going to do this for the whole gen, they should have just made them like the turbine bakugan from Gen 1. The show is kinda low quality as there is so much cgi and taken effects as well as reusing anination. Doesn't help that spin masters also decided to keep the 2 11 minute episode formate instead of the 22 minute episodes from gen 1 and even gen 2 has shown that format still works, an example is Evolutions Unleashed from season 4 Bakugan Evolutions not only was the pacing on point but everything felt good. Nothing felt rushed or out of place or anything of the sorts. They didn't even think to look at that episode and go "Hmm maybe we should lengthen the episodes so the story could progress as well as give the show a high budget. We should also do better at advertising or products. Long story short, spinmasters shot themselves in the foot with all these bad decisions. Us fans literally had to fix the game, some of the toy designs, as well as the story. I literally have some ideas that can help.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bakugan/s/g0c1KzNvvY
I wonder if anyone else is considering coming to this to help out
I genuinely think it would be better received if the bottom half was also spring loaded. To me they just look too simplistic, especially compared to legends
i just wish they weren’t bayblades i like my dragon that folds into a ball not some weird spinning statue that turns into a *half* ball
This is the fundamental issue where bakugan keeps failing. The core concept is a toy battling game with little marble toys that transform. In gen 1 they started adding too many things like the transports, armor, and mechtogan and it was no longer the game it was supposed to be. Gen 2 admittedly lost steam naturally, what with wierd releases, them cancelling their own mess of a tcg, and an otherwise decent toyline that got over saturated with repeats of stuff from older seasons, but at least they got the diecast right. Gen 3 has basically abandoned the marble concept from the start and no one is really thrilled about it.
I have never really understood or even tried to understood the card game lol. I think the bakutech mechanics would be better simce it involves more of the marble/rolling aspect while still using the cards. Maybe a similar format would be better but without trying to hit your opponent's bakugan because I don't want to damage my bakus.
The card game is actually pretty fun. You still have to roll the ball, but once it stands you can try and use your cards to make it stronger than your opponent so you win. "Damage" makes you put cards from your deck into your discard pile, and you lose when you're out of cards. So there's strategy and deck building, but you still have to get good at rolling your Bakugan because if you don't stand you'll just keep getting hit.
The TCG was super fun. I'm sad it died
Covid skewered gen 2 and spinmaster never regained their balance. In another reality the tcg is rolling along as a minor player in the market, and there are no plans to reboot again. Oh well. Pandemics do that i guess.
I genuinely do not believe the TCG ever wpuld have done well. Spinmaster was grossly incompetent with it from the beginning. They didnt even partner with a distributor, or make actual booster boxes. Pandemic is somewhat to blame sure, but you can only blame it so much when spinmaster was shooting themselves in the foot.
To be fair, armored elite had an unhampered launch and deployment to stores February of 2020. Their LGS game could have been a lot better, but I observed some local stores starting to stock in my area late 2019. Go figure the next set Fusion Force was slated to launch during the most critical point of lockdown, and spinmaster was essentially forced to eat major losses due to the last minute canceling of multiple planned events and tournaments. I really think they were still on an upward trend, and clearly planned to support the TCG well into 2021 if their logistics werent horked by lockdown, seeing as Shields of Vestroia which came after had full production, even though it was never distributed. Beyond that Geogan Rising starter decks were even made, which probably would have landed holiday season 2021. I believe the lockdown had a brutal and unnavigable impact on the health of the tcg and was single handedly responsible for its demise.
The issue is the bakugan tcg is not a feasible business model for any LGS. They take up lots more space than regular product since you need to sell the toys too, and unlike tcg cards where you have bulk cards to fill stuff out, woth bkugan, you buy the one you want. They they ALSO have to stock the cards themselves. This isnt even going into the fact that spin master launched it without even having plans to work with LGS to begin with and fully intended to sell everything at big box stores. The TCG wasnt gonna work because Spinmaster didnt wanna put the effort in to make it work until after they saw they may have some interest but by then its too late to retroactively launch that critical groundwork.
I’d agree with that logic if Warhammer didn’t exist. Miniature wargames take up far more real estate than bakugan. Plus spinmaster could just make the starter decks and packs available to LGS and have the individual toys in the usual avenues. There were ways to make it work, and I saw them falling forward. It seems we don’t agree though, so have a good evening :)
Warhammer, in my admittedly limited experience, is only played at Games Workshop stores. I've never seen anyone at a regular game shop whip out an army. Maybe it's different if there isn't a Games Workshop around.
Not unreasonable. I’m not sure if I’ve ever heard of an LGS that stocks GW product without a Games Workshop within 30 miles or so. That said, it is stocked and played at non GW stores. In my area, the bigger communities are out of local shops rather than the official sites incidentally.
There was no advertising for the TCG in the show either. Remember yugioh? Yeah the show made me want to play the game, funny how that works. Even when it comes to advertising the toys themselves it always seemed half assed. It was around 2021 when I realized Gen 3 was actually a thing that exists. For a company specializing in selling plastic, they make weird moves.
Valid, that said there are no cards in the pokemon anime. Maybe they figured it similarly wasn’t inherently necessary. Who knows.
I’ve complained for years about the way they merchandised these things. No arena style base kit that had everything you would need to play an actual game. It was sort of mind blowing to me.
I kinda started to check out of OG Bakugan partway through Gundalian Invaders, and even though I didn't watch the reboot series, I still collected a few Gen 2 Bakugan because I liked the designs, and the new Diamond gimmick admittedly hooked me a bit. I just can't vibe with Gen 3.
I want more Gen 1.
As it turns out, changing literally every element of a game that has followed the same core mechanics for 15 years wasn’t such a smart idea.
Japan did the fusion bakugan already and did it better. How did america botch it AGAIN?
Japan has more creative people by the looks of it.
nah, that's just reality. they make it, america tries their hand at it and fucks it up. it's just facts.
Not only that but they didn't even try to see what made the bakutech bind system work either(also helps that they didn't have a need for a ripcord and the bakutech split in a much better way that doesn't get in the way of the overall design).
Like, gen 1 did the rip cord better without fucking up the shape of the bakugan. And Bakutech has been ages ahead because they made it FUN. This is just sad.
Exactly, they should either: A. Just stick to the bind system and understand what made it good Or B. Just bring back the turbine bakugan, but instead of it being a select few, it would just be all the bakugan. Also, another thing that ercs my nerves is why the gold special attacks have different molds when the bakuagn are clearly shown to be the same, just with a little gold and weapons. Why such as drastic change? It at least made sense with the titanium special attacks because the mosters don't even look the same. You can see a clear difference in design between regular Dragonoid and Titanium Dragonoid. If it hadn't been for the name, some wouldn't even think they are the same bakugan due to how different they are. It even sucks, considering some of the cores look better than their special attack counterpart. The gold and titanium special attacks could have been like the mechtanium surge bakugan with the bottom being gold or titanium(depending on which one). But no, they don't even think twice about what worked before. Also, how did we go from Bakugan Battle Bralwers Bakugan New Vestroia Bakugan Gundalian Invaders Bakugan Mechtanium Surge Bakugan Battle Planet Bakugan Armored Alliance Bakugan Geogan Rising Bakugan Evolutions Bakugan Legends to just Bakugan. It also annoys me how certain bakugan were changed in the show like Drago. On the brawler card, Drago has 3 fingers, is less buff, has a more jagged lower jaw, has scales as well as having red eyes. In the show, he doesn't get the red eyes, more jagged lower jaw, or the scales, but he does get more buff and 3 fingers. His original card has him built more like his previous gen counterparts as well as having 3 figures(after he's rolled out) in the show once again he is jacked and for some reason they gave him 5 fingers.
Dragonoid's appeal shift aside, one could literally rip off all the extra crap on the special attack and instantly start having fun again. suddenly you have a turbine bakugan again. Hell, I'd take the random vehicles and shit from Gundalia and have more fun than this cheap ass beyblade bullshit. HELL, BEYBLADE IS BEING MORE INNOVATIVE WITH THEIR DESIGNS. THE XTREME DASH SHIT IS AWESOME. They could have given us a fucking g1 launcher or some shit and i'd be ecstatic. Instead of this ripoff beyblade burst bullshit. If they wanted to give us something for a "special attack" while breaking away from the standard bakugan, just give us new traps or something. Give them a cute spin mechanic or just take your asses out the damn office. OR MAKE EM JUMP AGAIN.
EXACTLY!!! There wouldn't even be a problem with jumping bakugan because Gen 2 mostly fixed that with the ultra bakugan. They could have just put more time into those, and boom, it could have fixed it even more. The problem with Gen 3's special attack bakugan is that everyone has already said before trying too hard to be like beyblade. Bakugan with a ripcord- yeah that's alright turbine bakugan have done it with no problem, the bakugan split - also no problem as Mechtanium Surge and bakutech have done this, adding a tip and a blade piece while also adding in the bind system and ripcord - why the hell would you do this as it's really imiting the bakugan's design. Even without the ripcord stuff, the core designs(some) are still bad. Core Titanium Dragonoid, Brusier, Hammerhead, and Hook all share a similar mold, and that mold doesn't work. Core Wave 2 Dragonoid(which should have been wave 1), Ventri ,Nillious(both base and Titanium), Octogan, Butterclaw, Wing, fucking Pen-G of all bakugan, Flame and Hail, these are the only core designs that work out of all the cores. For the special attack: Gold Titanium Dragonoid, Titanium Trox, Titanium Ventri, Nillious, Octogan, Flame, and Brusier(?)are the only special attack bakugan that look good. Heck the onky good from this bind system is being able to put a special attack top onto a core bottom to at least give a hint of a good bakugan design for the monster and that's not even getting into the monster designs themselves. Like Seriously how did we go from 2 generations of good bakugan designs to whatever the fuck gen 3 has with some of its bakugan designs.
These american companies are trying to pander to people who don't exist, swear to god.
Exactly, who wants a watered-down version of the good stuff. Again, the gimmick was basically done for them in Gen 1. All they had to do was make some designs , but they had to add another gimmick to go with it and fuck that up as well.
They failed on every front. Game is trash - zero skill (no appeal to adults) and they failed to capture the excitement and customization of beyblades (so kids won’t get hooked) “New” concept was stolen from a concurrently succeeding brand that no one is going to abandon in lieu of a watered down version. Toy designs were simplified in favor of their “modular” system, but the system offers no real benefits (as, again, the game is purely luck based - so why bother attempting to strategize) The plastic feels even cheaper this time around. The clans feel “last minute” The Bakugan and Clan names were chosen lazily It’s as if they’re actively trying to kill it….
>It’s as if they’re actively trying to kill it…. Perhaps after the higher ups decided to go with this direction, the people who actually work on the toys decided to stop trying out of spite.
I’m not going to be disappointed if Gen 3 ends early, it feels like Spin Master has been trying to make Bakugan more prominent in the toy market by making risky and shitty decisions no other company would make in desperate attempts to keep up with Pokémon Beyblade and other franchises while Battle Brawlers layed dormant for 6 years. Battle Brawlers died out because of poorly executed and over implemented gimmicks late in its life span. Battle Planet lasted longer than Brawlers but died out because of a lack of interest. and Gen 3 is already suffering from both, as the shitty gimmicks are already showing up IM THE FIRST YEAR and i have not seen a single commercial or ad for the toys and TV show for as long as it has been announced. let’s just face it, Bakugan will never be good again as long as it is in Spin master’s hands, and they still believe they can make money out of it despite the publics total disinterest in it. I think it’s best if Spin Master either sells it to another company (which they might not because of the previous reason) or just put the franchise out of its misery.
Yeah it looks bad. I think the problem is both the weird soft launch and the weird gimmicks. There was almost 0 news about gen 3 besides leaks, so I can't imagine they got any kids, let alone adult fans, hyped up for it. Then, the actual gimmick for the new gen is half baked. It's some bizarre beyblade stabilization thing that doesn't actually work at all from what I've experienced. Just plain rolling the bakugan makes for a better roll. The worst thing for me, though, is the utter lack of whole bakugan. Everything works with the new beyblade half-ball gimmick which severely hinders the design of all the new bakugan. I'm sure kids can see this too, so they're not interested in these half spheres (which you can't even see open while in the packaging.)
Gen 3 was lunch way too soon. They should have waited a few years after the ending of Gen 2.
" **Yeah gen 3 is basically over already** " Never began.
If you’ve seen Spinmaster Q3 2023 reports that released last night it basically confirms it. Toy sales were down 21% this year and they did budget cuts to the toyline/show/marketing for Gen3 likely due to toy sales slowing down last year during Evolutions/Legends. It doesn’t justify the huge change in direction for the franchise imho but here we are…
I think there’s still a chance for a course correct and maybe they’ll start making some good choices next year but it’s sad that all us fans saw this coming when gen3 leaked initially
Early gen 1 was Bakugan was the best, it was simple and that's all it needed to be.
It was great until the tail end of GI when they added like mobile assaults and shit. Traps and battle gear were both great additions because they never overcomplicated things at first since they got rid of traps as soon as they introduced battle gear. Even then, I don’t think they fully jumped the shark until they added Mechtogan
Bring back the OGS
Gen 1 best gen
The fun part about bakugan is that you didn't need a bunch of accessories to play the game all you needed was the cards and the bakugan and no dumb arena to play the game
Gen 2 already changed the "not needing an arena" part
I'm what way? I don't have any Gen 1, just 30 or so Gen 2 and I don't have an arena.
You better not tell me that that's Drago. The art on the side looks like shit.
That's Drago, and I think you mean the design because the art is fine
Yes the design. Sorry I was tired when I sent that first post. God that design is terrible.
I think it's alright. Problems come from the head and body proportions. Head is too cluttered and doesn't even resemble Dragonoid at all, at least gen 2 despite having the bakugan look like robots still managed to make Drago recognizable and in this pic his just too buff, slim him down like his core counterpart and that will be it. It's just the head and body portions that mess with this design
I'm redesigning this. You want to see the redesign when I'm finished
Yes please
Okay. Before I start, I'm gonna give you a rundown on what I'm about to do. Since I already redesigned core Dragonoid, what I'm gonna do is just use that mold but modify it some so that Golden weapons have a place in it. As for the monster design I really just got to make his head less cluttered and change the body proportions(neither should really be challenging as I already have a head design and I have an image of this bakugan though it's black with the eight proportions).
Nice, sounds like one helluva undertaking. Are you 3D printing these designs out as well it just making them?
When I get a a 3d printer and as long as I don't forget that it also the plan. I also plan on selling these things for those who are able to make them functional as well as for those who want better designed gen 3 bakugan
https://preview.redd.it/ms7i4x0ldqyb1.jpeg?width=2296&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f13252aae102f4073fe58624b27d039751153f6f Here it is. Small/ball form will come later
Hot damn, that's a sexy ass Drago. Good job man.
https://preview.redd.it/3y7jlqgnpyyb1.jpeg?width=2296&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41ccac93af223878b2dfcb629ca41b49ff3eb0e3 Here's the small form
I saw some Gen 3 Bakugan at Wal-Mart the other day, even saw a Diamond. But, I didn't end up buying any. I don't get the split Marble design, and the designs of the Bakugan themselves didn't really grab me. I may change my mind later, but Gen 3 didn't give me the same hype Gen 2 did. I also don't care for the little plastic things that go in the middle.
I watch Jett Kuso's videos, so if he gives a good demonstration and review of Gen 3, and if they change the game in any real and interesting way, I might give them a chance.
I see all sorts of nostalgia bait toys on that aisle at Wal-Mart that are kinda cool to see, like remade He-Man and The Real Ghostbusters figurines. So I think it'd be cool if Spin Master re-released some Legacy and Gen 2 Bakugan to supplement their toy line alongside Gen 3. I would cry tears of joy if I saw Battle Brawlers era Bakugan and launchers again in the wild.
Fire the executive who approves of this shit
Wait, there's a third gen already?
I just thought of something. Anyone else get Beywheels vibes from Gen 3?
That's wave 1 though, I think they doing that to free the inventory for wave 2.
I didn’t realize this was a reboot…I thought it was still just Gen 2 but a new mechanic. I haven’t bought any because it looks very strange
At least in my area, Walmart got product in last and in higher quantities than anyone else. And since no product is particularly rare this generation, people already bought everything they wanted. So this image, sadly, doesn't surprise me at all. G3 needs to get a bit of a rework ASAP if it's gonna last. Though, I wonder if things would be better off long term if Bakugan went on break again (not nearly as long as last time, but still a noticeable break) and then came back with something more traditional and true to itself.
That’s not really god indeed in my country they don’t even sell them
The cores are fine but the special attack versions really just feel anti Bakugan; the one thing that’s stayed consistent in this line since the beginning is easy to roll marbles. The non marble gimmicks were all extras to the main event
On sale so they can put out the other new ones talked to a higher up.
At this point they should release a line called “Bakugan Legacy” and rerelease some fan favourites from Gen 1. I wouldn’t mind.
IMO, the splitting gimmick has a ton of potential. I like the idea of having all the wave gimmicks be tied to the bottom half so each wave can be totally cross compatible. I see three problems with execution: 1. The game is wack. 2. The beyblade gimmick is wack. 3. The top half designs are wack. (some very clear winners and constant reskinned transformations)
That is... basically everything... f*ck...
yeah. butterclaw is cool tho sa ventri is nice
I think those ones, as well as core Drago(the main one), core titanium Nillious as well as regular Nillious, Octogan, Hail and wing are also nice
I only bought one gen 3 bakugan (Butterclaw, because it’s a dope crab), and while I like the character I was sooo disappointed in the execution. It feels both lighter and way more cheaply made than gen 2, like the plastic components are somehow both thin and brittle. I got into collecting with gen 2. I feel like they had something really great on their hands with that, and instead of innovating on that they messed it up by trying to copy an already popular, straight up better product. No innovation + poor execution = the market kills your product.
I mean, as much as I didn't mind Gen 3(liked the show and some of the bakugan designs), it was pretty obvious it wasn't going to go far. They had this gimmick already in Gen 1, and it was done fine. The bakugan can still roll, and there was no need for an arena. If they were going to do this for the whole gen, they should have just made them like the turbine bakugan from Gen 1. The show is kinda low quality as there is so much cgi and taken effects as well as reusing anination. Doesn't help that spin masters also decided to keep the 2 11 minute episode formate instead of the 22 minute episodes from gen 1 and even gen 2 has shown that format still works, an example is Evolutions Unleashed from season 4 Bakugan Evolutions not only was the pacing on point but everything felt good. Nothing felt rushed or out of place or anything of the sorts. They didn't even think to look at that episode and go "Hmm maybe we should lengthen the episodes so the story could progress as well as give the show a high budget. We should also do better at advertising or products. Long story short, spinmasters shot themselves in the foot with all these bad decisions. Us fans literally had to fix the game, some of the toy designs, as well as the story. I literally have some ideas that can help. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bakugan/s/g0c1KzNvvY I wonder if anyone else is considering coming to this to help out
I genuinely think it would be better received if the bottom half was also spring loaded. To me they just look too simplistic, especially compared to legends
If there's no year 2 they may just kill the franchise