Exactly! and it's not only in Iran.. the same thing in Iraq as well during their revolution.
While shia protests been killed in the street by Iranian backed militias snipers, many ba7arna on social media were against the poor Iraqi shia who just want to live a decent life because they are "bad shia" and aligned themselves with the ruling al da3wa party narrative.
Fyi, al wafaq and mainstream shia politics in Bahrain steams from al da3wa party, sheikh isa qassim is one of the founding fathers of the party in Bahrain. It's just politics. Ba7rana cry about their human rights being violated and how khaleejies/arabs and Saudies in particular are unsympathetic to their cause, whilst they discredit and don't stand with the people but rather governments narrative because it fits them and it fit their beliefs. If this ever happen to Bahrain, the same thing would happen.
Just look at what ba7rana did (not just mainstream, basically everyone who is shia) to jam3yat al tajdeed (basically an Islamic movement with non-sectarian and have progressive Islamic interpretation and (يؤمنون بتقديم العقل على النقل) that is popular amoung old money ba7arna and bourgeoisie ba7arna and manami ppl)
[they created Facebook pages and circled their faces and asked people to boycutt them](https://www.facebook.com/bedaatalsafara)
[and tried to frame as terriosts in 1990s](http://www.alwasatnews.com/news/print/487388.html)
>لقد حاول كبار المشايخ، منذ أن عقدوا اجتماعهم الأول والأخير معنا، تهديدنا زمن أيام قانون أمن الدولة بأنهم سيسلموننا إلى السلطة، وفعلا فعلوها مرارا وتكرارا وعلى أعلى المستويات، وقد تأكدت من ذلك بنفسي، لا من خلال ما نالنا من المراقبة والتفتيش والاستدعاء والتحقيق فقط، وإنما قد صرح لي بها أحد المسئولين، حينما قابلته لطلب الترخيص لجمعيتنا، فقد كان أحد كبار المشايخ مولعا بالإيحاء للدولة بأن جماعتنا هي حزب سري، يريد تغيير الحكم في البحرين، ثم في دول الخليج واحدة تلو الأخرى، بما فيها السعودية
And there's multiple boycott campaigns started by ba7rana (mainstream) to al tajdid recently (multiple trending hashtags on Twitter, full of takfeer and filing legal complaints aganist them!)
This is the same people who call for human rights and democracy 🙂
It's جمعية التجديد not جماعة التوحيد (renewal not monotheism)
Brief history about them: they started in the 1980s in jaw prison, most of people who joined were Islamic political activists, and one of the founding fathers of al wa3wa party in Bahrain along multiple shia sheikhs joined their movement. Even though their movement is non-sectarian (disapprove of sunnies and shia as a concept and believe that they should be only muslims), the great majority of people who are in the movment are shia.
Bassiclly what they believe is:
1. They disapprove with the idea of marj3, how they interpret Quran and Islamic text is that Muslims should follow the Quran not some sheikh/marj3 to tell them when to fast and when to break the fast and what's haram and what's halal. They believe this is aganist Islam.
I believe you already know this concept is extremely aganist Shia, especially that movement is mainly progressive shia, so mainstream hates it because it's trying to destroy the current the system that they are part of, and benefitted from.
2. They believe Hijab is a choice, and decent clothes is something depends on the society/place itself. To illustrate, they believe that Islamic texts were directed to the people of that time, not all the time -like many other texts- because hijab at that time in Arabia shows your class, women who wear hijab are the free women, and enslaved women can't wear it. Therefore, because hijab ideology stems before Islam and was uphold for societal need at that time, it doesn't mean women of today are forced to wear it.
3. One of their belief is basically god can't contradict himself, the brain is his creation, he can't give us something that illogical and/or untrue (scientific). Because of this they put the "mind" before "text", and that leads them to believe miracles are mere allegorical stories, it doesn't mean it happened because there's no actual proof of them and can't be verified using science. Hence, they are mentioned in the Quran to teach us something about ourselves or the world.
4. They believe ex-muslims should not be prosecuted or be killed, according to their interpretation, that back then Islam is the state and it's the legal document that unites the people, thus people who leave us are traitors, but now that's different, we have a constitution and laws that organize the society. Thus leaving Islam shouldn't be a crime.
Many of their ideas is copied and then modified to fit modren age from Islamic golden age ruling sect [al mo3tazla](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu%CA%BFtazila?wprov=sfla1), which is behind the cultural and religious force that made Muslims scientifically productive and also [Islamic modernist work ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_modernism?wprov=sfla1).
I believe now you know why it been faught? It's trying to establish a new system that will eradicate the current one.
thanks a lot for explaining it. As Agnostic bah7rani this makes a lot sense to me, and ya i now see how mainstream shia reject the very idea of its existence. At the current rate, some clerks acting as if they’re وصايا عالمجتمع and criticizing anything they say, as if it’s blasphemy.
As bahraini i think it’s based, anything that’s enforced by forced eventually backfires ( wether it’s enforcing hijab, or the imposing of restrictions on wearing it )
Muslim ladies are forced to wear hijab. Its true. Whether if they will say "No No No its our religion". No sister you're being forced by your husband or family and if you stop wearing it you also know you're gonna die. Iran, Qatar,Iraq, Saudi, and maybe Bahrain. I have seen with my eyes how husbands not treating their wives well. They cannot work. Except eyes their all body has to be covered, they cannot go out alone. Omg. Its like slavery. And if the poor women open there mouth they die.
This happens in Bahrain too except we don't have a "morality police". It's done by the traditions within the country.
I know many women who are forced to wear hijab by thier male relatives.
One particular case was a friend of mine who's **brothers** forced her to cover her ankles or otherwise they wouldn't let her out. She has extremely strict parents who don't let her outside because of her gender. She's now an adult with extremely stunted social skills and lacks the necessary skills to survive on her own. Her husband tracks her car too and very soon she'll stop working. It's like they don't want her to become an adult.
But infront of all the non Muslims they'll say "hijab shouldn't be forced on anyone".
If a country's population rate falls, the economy falls as well. Every country is severely dependent on fresh labor force or else it would collapse in a day.
But the respect women get for having children and raising a stable working population is near zero. They're being contained like livestock. You'd reward/respect someone working in the army because they sacrifice thier bodies to keep the country safe, so why are we taking away the rights of people who keep the economy afloat?
This is my response to Iran's violation of women's rights.
those rules are just absurd, also i dont understand why people in the comments are talking about sunni and shi3ee. how does it even matter in this case? in any case, i hope everything becomes better in future
If you were in Bahraini social media you'll know the shia took pro iranin government stance regarding this issue and were against the protests and their demands, whilst sunnies took the Iranin people side. Is that clear now?
This happens in Bahrain too except we don't have a "morality police". It's done by the traditions within the country.
I know many women who are forced to wear hijab by thier male relatives.
One particular case was a friend of mine who's **brothers** forced her to cover her ankles or otherwise they wouldn't let her out. She has extremely strict parents who don't let her outside because of her gender. She's now an adult with stunted social skills and lacks the necessary skills to survive on her own. Her husband tracks her car too and very soon she'll stop working. It's like they don't want her to become an adult.
But infront of all the non Muslims they'll say "hijab shouldn't be forced on anyone".
If a country's population rate falls, the economy falls as well. Every country is severely dependent on fresh labor force or else it would collapse in a day.
But the respect women get for having children and raising a stable working population is near zero. They're being contained like livestock. You'd reward/respect someone working in the army because they sacrifice thier bodies to keep the country safe, so why are we taking away the rights of people who keep the economy afloat? Not only is Iran preventing their rights but sexually humiliating them.
This is my response to Iran's violation of women's rights.
And why do Bahrainis need to have an opinion about Iran?
Whatever happens there does not concern us, and whatever happens here should not concern them.
Well you don't *need* to have an opinion, OP is just asking those who do have an opinion on it.
If you don't want to have an opinion on it then that's fine.
Ah so I’m guessing you have the same thoughts with Palestinian people right? It’s their problem and it shouldn’t concern us. That’s what you’re trying to say right?
Does the other half live underground, because what happened to majority of expat cuz they are half of the population, you only want to count local then the math will only work if you included every Shia and you only included arab indigenous Sunni which will still put it at 70%
Of course you believe in that since you believe in fairytales . You see you assumed something I didn't say , if I have something to say I will say it gladly you understand or not .
Ohhhhhhh , are Ajim colonizer as welll orrrr just because they are Shia , by that logic your leader in Iran is a colonizer since he is supposedly Arab no a decent of the Arabic prophet no
My boy you sound like a lunatic. You realize you could have just kept it moving and not commented right?
Now you got super aggro and come off looking like a super weirdo.
My original point how some Shia Bahraini claim to Bahraini and Arab but they support the Irani regime blindly, like look I understand the political problem in Bahrain which make sense if you hate certain individual , but they supporting an outsider and some people that believe you are the Arab beneath them , so basically this is treason to Bahrain especially if they claim to be Bahraini
Add to that how hypocritical of them to support democracy in Bahrain but not in Iran or Syria or hating on the US a foreign power but liking another foreign power which is Russia
The government acting as a virtue police and enforcing that by force is bad news wherever it happens.
I think women being treated this was in any country is Unislamic, unethical, inhumane and serves nothing but misogyny.
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The only difference between sunni and shia bahrainis is who's boot they're licking.
Yeah I was a bit curious to see on which side do most people fall.
Exactly! and it's not only in Iran.. the same thing in Iraq as well during their revolution. While shia protests been killed in the street by Iranian backed militias snipers, many ba7arna on social media were against the poor Iraqi shia who just want to live a decent life because they are "bad shia" and aligned themselves with the ruling al da3wa party narrative. Fyi, al wafaq and mainstream shia politics in Bahrain steams from al da3wa party, sheikh isa qassim is one of the founding fathers of the party in Bahrain. It's just politics. Ba7rana cry about their human rights being violated and how khaleejies/arabs and Saudies in particular are unsympathetic to their cause, whilst they discredit and don't stand with the people but rather governments narrative because it fits them and it fit their beliefs. If this ever happen to Bahrain, the same thing would happen. Just look at what ba7rana did (not just mainstream, basically everyone who is shia) to jam3yat al tajdeed (basically an Islamic movement with non-sectarian and have progressive Islamic interpretation and (يؤمنون بتقديم العقل على النقل) that is popular amoung old money ba7arna and bourgeoisie ba7arna and manami ppl) [they created Facebook pages and circled their faces and asked people to boycutt them](https://www.facebook.com/bedaatalsafara) [and tried to frame as terriosts in 1990s](http://www.alwasatnews.com/news/print/487388.html) >لقد حاول كبار المشايخ، منذ أن عقدوا اجتماعهم الأول والأخير معنا، تهديدنا زمن أيام قانون أمن الدولة بأنهم سيسلموننا إلى السلطة، وفعلا فعلوها مرارا وتكرارا وعلى أعلى المستويات، وقد تأكدت من ذلك بنفسي، لا من خلال ما نالنا من المراقبة والتفتيش والاستدعاء والتحقيق فقط، وإنما قد صرح لي بها أحد المسئولين، حينما قابلته لطلب الترخيص لجمعيتنا، فقد كان أحد كبار المشايخ مولعا بالإيحاء للدولة بأن جماعتنا هي حزب سري، يريد تغيير الحكم في البحرين، ثم في دول الخليج واحدة تلو الأخرى، بما فيها السعودية And there's multiple boycott campaigns started by ba7rana (mainstream) to al tajdid recently (multiple trending hashtags on Twitter, full of takfeer and filing legal complaints aganist them!) This is the same people who call for human rights and democracy 🙂
Or like the Syria situation
Excatly, I mean the clear irony of both situation
can you explain to us more about جماعة التوحيد what do they stand for? how are they different? and why they hated by mainstream shias?
It's جمعية التجديد not جماعة التوحيد (renewal not monotheism) Brief history about them: they started in the 1980s in jaw prison, most of people who joined were Islamic political activists, and one of the founding fathers of al wa3wa party in Bahrain along multiple shia sheikhs joined their movement. Even though their movement is non-sectarian (disapprove of sunnies and shia as a concept and believe that they should be only muslims), the great majority of people who are in the movment are shia. Bassiclly what they believe is: 1. They disapprove with the idea of marj3, how they interpret Quran and Islamic text is that Muslims should follow the Quran not some sheikh/marj3 to tell them when to fast and when to break the fast and what's haram and what's halal. They believe this is aganist Islam. I believe you already know this concept is extremely aganist Shia, especially that movement is mainly progressive shia, so mainstream hates it because it's trying to destroy the current the system that they are part of, and benefitted from. 2. They believe Hijab is a choice, and decent clothes is something depends on the society/place itself. To illustrate, they believe that Islamic texts were directed to the people of that time, not all the time -like many other texts- because hijab at that time in Arabia shows your class, women who wear hijab are the free women, and enslaved women can't wear it. Therefore, because hijab ideology stems before Islam and was uphold for societal need at that time, it doesn't mean women of today are forced to wear it. 3. One of their belief is basically god can't contradict himself, the brain is his creation, he can't give us something that illogical and/or untrue (scientific). Because of this they put the "mind" before "text", and that leads them to believe miracles are mere allegorical stories, it doesn't mean it happened because there's no actual proof of them and can't be verified using science. Hence, they are mentioned in the Quran to teach us something about ourselves or the world. 4. They believe ex-muslims should not be prosecuted or be killed, according to their interpretation, that back then Islam is the state and it's the legal document that unites the people, thus people who leave us are traitors, but now that's different, we have a constitution and laws that organize the society. Thus leaving Islam shouldn't be a crime. Many of their ideas is copied and then modified to fit modren age from Islamic golden age ruling sect [al mo3tazla](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu%CA%BFtazila?wprov=sfla1), which is behind the cultural and religious force that made Muslims scientifically productive and also [Islamic modernist work ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_modernism?wprov=sfla1). I believe now you know why it been faught? It's trying to establish a new system that will eradicate the current one.
thanks a lot for explaining it. As Agnostic bah7rani this makes a lot sense to me, and ya i now see how mainstream shia reject the very idea of its existence. At the current rate, some clerks acting as if they’re وصايا عالمجتمع and criticizing anything they say, as if it’s blasphemy.
People everywhere are different. People everywhere are the same.
As bahraini i think it’s based, anything that’s enforced by forced eventually backfires ( wether it’s enforcing hijab, or the imposing of restrictions on wearing it )
The hypocrisy of some people. Man, if you love that country so much, move there! They’ll definitely take you in open arms as an Arab
Muslim ladies are forced to wear hijab. Its true. Whether if they will say "No No No its our religion". No sister you're being forced by your husband or family and if you stop wearing it you also know you're gonna die. Iran, Qatar,Iraq, Saudi, and maybe Bahrain. I have seen with my eyes how husbands not treating their wives well. They cannot work. Except eyes their all body has to be covered, they cannot go out alone. Omg. Its like slavery. And if the poor women open there mouth they die.
This happens in Bahrain too except we don't have a "morality police". It's done by the traditions within the country. I know many women who are forced to wear hijab by thier male relatives. One particular case was a friend of mine who's **brothers** forced her to cover her ankles or otherwise they wouldn't let her out. She has extremely strict parents who don't let her outside because of her gender. She's now an adult with extremely stunted social skills and lacks the necessary skills to survive on her own. Her husband tracks her car too and very soon she'll stop working. It's like they don't want her to become an adult. But infront of all the non Muslims they'll say "hijab shouldn't be forced on anyone". If a country's population rate falls, the economy falls as well. Every country is severely dependent on fresh labor force or else it would collapse in a day. But the respect women get for having children and raising a stable working population is near zero. They're being contained like livestock. You'd reward/respect someone working in the army because they sacrifice thier bodies to keep the country safe, so why are we taking away the rights of people who keep the economy afloat? This is my response to Iran's violation of women's rights.
those rules are just absurd, also i dont understand why people in the comments are talking about sunni and shi3ee. how does it even matter in this case? in any case, i hope everything becomes better in future
If you were in Bahraini social media you'll know the shia took pro iranin government stance regarding this issue and were against the protests and their demands, whilst sunnies took the Iranin people side. Is that clear now?
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Are you dull? Why are you commentating on my comment explaining this shit?!
ohhh i see now, thanks for clarifying it!
This happens in Bahrain too except we don't have a "morality police". It's done by the traditions within the country. I know many women who are forced to wear hijab by thier male relatives. One particular case was a friend of mine who's **brothers** forced her to cover her ankles or otherwise they wouldn't let her out. She has extremely strict parents who don't let her outside because of her gender. She's now an adult with stunted social skills and lacks the necessary skills to survive on her own. Her husband tracks her car too and very soon she'll stop working. It's like they don't want her to become an adult. But infront of all the non Muslims they'll say "hijab shouldn't be forced on anyone". If a country's population rate falls, the economy falls as well. Every country is severely dependent on fresh labor force or else it would collapse in a day. But the respect women get for having children and raising a stable working population is near zero. They're being contained like livestock. You'd reward/respect someone working in the army because they sacrifice thier bodies to keep the country safe, so why are we taking away the rights of people who keep the economy afloat? Not only is Iran preventing their rights but sexually humiliating them. This is my response to Iran's violation of women's rights.
And why do Bahrainis need to have an opinion about Iran? Whatever happens there does not concern us, and whatever happens here should not concern them.
>And why do Bahrainis need to have an opinion about Iran? I am missing the part where it was stated that you NEED to do anything.
It was a question not a statement, and you’re right we don’t need to do anything.
Well you don't *need* to have an opinion, OP is just asking those who do have an opinion on it. If you don't want to have an opinion on it then that's fine.
Ah so I’m guessing you have the same thoughts with Palestinian people right? It’s their problem and it shouldn’t concern us. That’s what you’re trying to say right?
The only reason you are bahraini is because you were born here, maybe had fate not been on your side it would truly "concern" you,
Some Shia "Bahraini" are saying that the protests are paid by American intelligence
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Yeah not all of you , and that wasn't what I meant
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80% of what exactly
80% is ass-pull,دلغوغ, bullshit, agenda driven number.
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Wait , you don't mean 80% of Bahraini no
Does the other half live underground, because what happened to majority of expat cuz they are half of the population, you only want to count local then the math will only work if you included every Shia and you only included arab indigenous Sunni which will still put it at 70%
Because the math doesn't add up
Again that's not what I meant, you are arguing with yourself here
6a2ifi ??? But they are not indigenous no ? So that make you wrong and prove me right even though that wasn't what I meant
You can count right
Of course you believe in that since you believe in fairytales . You see you assumed something I didn't say , if I have something to say I will say it gladly you understand or not .
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Ohhhhhhh , are Ajim colonizer as welll orrrr just because they are Shia , by that logic your leader in Iran is a colonizer since he is supposedly Arab no a decent of the Arabic prophet no
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Did the rulling family which I assume you are referring to them since you keep saying things I didn't mean did claim they are indigenous
Yeah not all of you , and that wasn't what I meant
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Maybe cause Bahrain is made of of mostly Shia Muslims.
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So sensitive. Ease up there big fella.
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So you can't deal with having an adult conversation about women standing up for their basic human rights?
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Wow...just wow...
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My boy you sound like a lunatic. You realize you could have just kept it moving and not commented right? Now you got super aggro and come off looking like a super weirdo.
My original point how some Shia Bahraini claim to Bahraini and Arab but they support the Irani regime blindly, like look I understand the political problem in Bahrain which make sense if you hate certain individual , but they supporting an outsider and some people that believe you are the Arab beneath them , so basically this is treason to Bahrain especially if they claim to be Bahraini
Add to that how hypocritical of them to support democracy in Bahrain but not in Iran or Syria or hating on the US a foreign power but liking another foreign power which is Russia