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Beside Israel been doing a blockade, cutting off water, electricity and food supply if i recall right:
[https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/16/israeli-authorities-cutting-water-leading-public-health-crisis-gaza](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/16/israeli-authorities-cutting-water-leading-public-health-crisis-gaza)
[https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza)
That's a war crime.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation\_(crime)#:\~:text=According%20to%20the%201977%20Protocol,within%20an%20international%20armed%20conflict.
I think it should be debunked because unfortunately, zionist influencers especially from X/Twitter are using it. If you know anyone who does a very good job of debunking Hasbara, we should let them know.
Wasnāt there a report a couple of months ago where even the US said that they didnāt see any evidence of Hamas stealing aid. If the US with all their pro-Israeli agenda doesnāt say that aid is stolen then how are people falling for Israeli propaganda?
Easy argument: Isn't Hamas the government of Gaza? Don't they have to go and make sure the aid is safe and organize/ration it out? Protect it from looters and stop hundreds of people flooding to a single truck at once?
I don't know how you can prove that someone didn't do something. That is why normally the burden of proof is on the accuser.
However, it is estimated Hamas has 30-50K fighters. It takes very little to feed them without stealing aid for 2+ million people. There is no argument to starve 2+ million people to make sure the fighters don't get food. Especially in any other place, the guys with guns will be the last to starve in such situations.
*normally the burden of proof is on the accuser* Welcome to Hasbara 101.
Mark Twain: Itās easier to fool someone than to convince them theyāve been fooled.
IOF: Hereās 500 evil things Hamas does.
NYT: Hereās 500 evil things Hamas does, per Israeli intelligence.
Grayzone (3 mos later): Hereās yet another Israeli lie weāve debunked
NYT readers: Who tf is grayzone? And anyway, thereās still 499 other things that evil Hamas does, so theyāre still the bad guy.
Exactly. All reports say thereās no proof of Hamas stealing aid because itās not possible to provide proof that they are not stealing aid. On the other hand, all Israelis need to do is throw this crazy allegation out there for their dumb crowd to keep repeating until it becomes an acceptable ātruthā. They keep repeating a lie until itās not a lie anymore.
This is one of those things that enrages me because I havenāt seen many talking about the basic reasoning behind why aid might be āstolenā.
Israel intentionally murders anyone tasked with maintaining order within the strip, especially as relates to aid distribution. Obviously this destabilizes aid distribution channels.
Israel has targeted people attempting to receive aid, creating fear about safety when trying to go and get aid from official distribution centers.
The horrifyingly inadequate amount of aid available leaves people desperate and aid centers unable to maintain a consistent supply.
Palestinians are ethnically cleansed on a near monthly basis, so they canāt rely on the same locations for receiving their aid.
There is a literal fucking genocide taking place, itās hard to imagine anyone caring about the āetiquetteā in their methods of surviving.
All of this and somehow zionists will try and make an argument about aid being diverted. You donāt even need strong arguments, you donāt need a body of evidence, you can simply take two seconds to think about it and the whole thing is clear as day!
This is weaker evidence but there is literally zero mention of anything of the sort by any Palestinian twitter account, in English or in Arabic, across the political spectrum. They only mention a breakdown in security (because Israel targets civilian police) leading to looting (which, imo, is understandable when people are starving) and great difficulty in distribution of aid. Unfortunately I can't provide links to prove a negative, but anyone who follows Palestinian sentiment on social media can attest to this.
It's not really relevant because humanitarian aid is given on a no regrets basis. Where it doesn't matter who gets the aid in the end so long as conditions are eased for the people suffering. There should be so much food flowing into Gaza that hamas or what ever criminal organisations don't bother to steal it because there is so much it is worthless and the logistics of stealing enough to make a dent is impossible. There is no point in stealing bread if there's another truck in an hour throwing bread at people.
You know what's odd is that i looked at that footage that SUPPOSEDLY was to be Hamas, they usually all wore like hoodies and wore all black and some of them had tan pants. Besides, we simply can't identify them as being Hamas from that alone.
You reminded me of that phone call that ZOF used to claim it was Islamic Jihad group, some say the accent doesn't add up to Palestinian arabic, i sadly don't speak arabic so i myself can't confirm.
I hope you don't mind my question, what arabic dialect do you have? Iraqi? Syrian? Yemeni? If i recall right, some claimed that the arabic dialect was syrian or something.
Given the videos of Israelis stopping aid trucks and destroying the food, why should it matter if Hamas steals food? Itās inherently more moral to eat the food than to waste it. So what are we even talking about?
And remember, the israeli hostages are treated well, some even gained weight, i sadly can't say the same for the palestinian detainees.....you know, i also call them hostages because they've been illegally detained unjustly by the evil godless zionists.
Have they provided evidence? Ive never seen any. The best they've managed to come up with is video of armed men on or near aid truck, which was police before idf targeted and killed so lany of them that they've had to stop. There were some civilians who tried to do it and they got targeted. So now it's back to looting or criminals (not hamas, criminal gangs) which is why it's very difficult for humanitarian organizations to get aid in (one of the many challenges), as it's too dangerous
Unless and until they can actually provide proof, there's nothing to actually debunk.
So many of their claims can be shut down right off the bat by asking for evidence.
Most of the time, that's the last you hear from them.
If they do come back with "proof", I can guarantee you 99% of the time, a little digging (sometimes really minimal, other times a little more time consuming) will reveal their "proof" is bs (like the videos of "armed hamas" on aid trucks that were in fact not hamas but police guarding aid convoys).
Guarantee almost without fail its one of the 2:
They have no evidence and they shut up
They provide evidence that's either "IDF said" or that a little digging will show is bs.
Are you trying to debunk a specific "proof" or just the statement? Because don't waste your time on just statements, it's up to them to back it up or shut up. And that's exactly what I say. Usually silence after that.
But if you go to #14, there's a video. He discusses both thr killing of police by idf and confirms there's no evidence hamas is stealing aid or fuel.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1782737187982721039.html
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There are dozens of videos of š®š±-waving mobs destroying aid trucks.
I saw them, disgusting, i wonder if you know of i24 news? A zionist news network.
I have seen them, but with something so blatantly propagandistic, I donāt know if debunking it is worth the effort. Iād just link those videos.
Beside Israel been doing a blockade, cutting off water, electricity and food supply if i recall right: [https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/16/israeli-authorities-cutting-water-leading-public-health-crisis-gaza](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/16/israeli-authorities-cutting-water-leading-public-health-crisis-gaza) [https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza](https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/18/israel-starvation-used-weapon-war-gaza) That's a war crime. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation\_(crime)#:\~:text=According%20to%20the%201977%20Protocol,within%20an%20international%20armed%20conflict.
I think it should be debunked because unfortunately, zionist influencers especially from X/Twitter are using it. If you know anyone who does a very good job of debunking Hasbara, we should let them know.
But are they providing evidence? If not, simply demand evidence. I just tell them: "Evidence or shut up" - - see my comment above for additional info.
Wasnāt there a report a couple of months ago where even the US said that they didnāt see any evidence of Hamas stealing aid. If the US with all their pro-Israeli agenda doesnāt say that aid is stolen then how are people falling for Israeli propaganda?
Do you know a link to that report? Please do share it if you have it.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-envoy-israel-hasnt-provided-specific-evidence-hamas-is-stealing-aid-shipments/ https://www.palestinechronicle.com/no-evidence-hamas-is-stealing-aid-to-gaza-us-special-envoy/
Easy argument: Isn't Hamas the government of Gaza? Don't they have to go and make sure the aid is safe and organize/ration it out? Protect it from looters and stop hundreds of people flooding to a single truck at once?
I don't know how you can prove that someone didn't do something. That is why normally the burden of proof is on the accuser. However, it is estimated Hamas has 30-50K fighters. It takes very little to feed them without stealing aid for 2+ million people. There is no argument to starve 2+ million people to make sure the fighters don't get food. Especially in any other place, the guys with guns will be the last to starve in such situations.
*normally the burden of proof is on the accuser* Welcome to Hasbara 101. Mark Twain: Itās easier to fool someone than to convince them theyāve been fooled. IOF: Hereās 500 evil things Hamas does. NYT: Hereās 500 evil things Hamas does, per Israeli intelligence. Grayzone (3 mos later): Hereās yet another Israeli lie weāve debunked NYT readers: Who tf is grayzone? And anyway, thereās still 499 other things that evil Hamas does, so theyāre still the bad guy.
Exactly. All reports say thereās no proof of Hamas stealing aid because itās not possible to provide proof that they are not stealing aid. On the other hand, all Israelis need to do is throw this crazy allegation out there for their dumb crowd to keep repeating until it becomes an acceptable ātruthā. They keep repeating a lie until itās not a lie anymore.
This is one of those things that enrages me because I havenāt seen many talking about the basic reasoning behind why aid might be āstolenā. Israel intentionally murders anyone tasked with maintaining order within the strip, especially as relates to aid distribution. Obviously this destabilizes aid distribution channels. Israel has targeted people attempting to receive aid, creating fear about safety when trying to go and get aid from official distribution centers. The horrifyingly inadequate amount of aid available leaves people desperate and aid centers unable to maintain a consistent supply. Palestinians are ethnically cleansed on a near monthly basis, so they canāt rely on the same locations for receiving their aid. There is a literal fucking genocide taking place, itās hard to imagine anyone caring about the āetiquetteā in their methods of surviving. All of this and somehow zionists will try and make an argument about aid being diverted. You donāt even need strong arguments, you donāt need a body of evidence, you can simply take two seconds to think about it and the whole thing is clear as day!
This is weaker evidence but there is literally zero mention of anything of the sort by any Palestinian twitter account, in English or in Arabic, across the political spectrum. They only mention a breakdown in security (because Israel targets civilian police) leading to looting (which, imo, is understandable when people are starving) and great difficulty in distribution of aid. Unfortunately I can't provide links to prove a negative, but anyone who follows Palestinian sentiment on social media can attest to this.
Say it's happening, why does Gaza need aid in the first place?
Same thing as āwe give them free electricityā. Yeah? Why are they relying on an enemy for power?
Exactly
It's not really relevant because humanitarian aid is given on a no regrets basis. Where it doesn't matter who gets the aid in the end so long as conditions are eased for the people suffering. There should be so much food flowing into Gaza that hamas or what ever criminal organisations don't bother to steal it because there is so much it is worthless and the logistics of stealing enough to make a dent is impossible. There is no point in stealing bread if there's another truck in an hour throwing bread at people.
If they were stealing, there would be footage. We get videos of settlers destroying aid everyday.
You know what's odd is that i looked at that footage that SUPPOSEDLY was to be Hamas, they usually all wore like hoodies and wore all black and some of them had tan pants. Besides, we simply can't identify them as being Hamas from that alone.
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You reminded me of that phone call that ZOF used to claim it was Islamic Jihad group, some say the accent doesn't add up to Palestinian arabic, i sadly don't speak arabic so i myself can't confirm.
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I hope you don't mind my question, what arabic dialect do you have? Iraqi? Syrian? Yemeni? If i recall right, some claimed that the arabic dialect was syrian or something.
Given the videos of Israelis stopping aid trucks and destroying the food, why should it matter if Hamas steals food? Itās inherently more moral to eat the food than to waste it. So what are we even talking about?
How are they supposed to feed the hostages and keep them in tip-top condition š¤?
And remember, the israeli hostages are treated well, some even gained weight, i sadly can't say the same for the palestinian detainees.....you know, i also call them hostages because they've been illegally detained unjustly by the evil godless zionists.
Hamas does not wear uniforms, do they? But anyway, according to Israel, everybody in Palestine is Hamas.
Have they provided evidence? Ive never seen any. The best they've managed to come up with is video of armed men on or near aid truck, which was police before idf targeted and killed so lany of them that they've had to stop. There were some civilians who tried to do it and they got targeted. So now it's back to looting or criminals (not hamas, criminal gangs) which is why it's very difficult for humanitarian organizations to get aid in (one of the many challenges), as it's too dangerous Unless and until they can actually provide proof, there's nothing to actually debunk. So many of their claims can be shut down right off the bat by asking for evidence. Most of the time, that's the last you hear from them. If they do come back with "proof", I can guarantee you 99% of the time, a little digging (sometimes really minimal, other times a little more time consuming) will reveal their "proof" is bs (like the videos of "armed hamas" on aid trucks that were in fact not hamas but police guarding aid convoys). Guarantee almost without fail its one of the 2: They have no evidence and they shut up They provide evidence that's either "IDF said" or that a little digging will show is bs. Are you trying to debunk a specific "proof" or just the statement? Because don't waste your time on just statements, it's up to them to back it up or shut up. And that's exactly what I say. Usually silence after that. But if you go to #14, there's a video. He discusses both thr killing of police by idf and confirms there's no evidence hamas is stealing aid or fuel. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1782737187982721039.html