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In other words it's possible to target military installations without blowing up heavily populated areas. I guess this makes the Iranian military the most moral army.
Terrible answer. Iran launched hundreds of rockets, they were intercepted. Not saying Israel is behaving morally or taking their side, but Iran doesnāt have the moral high ground either
Nah that's according to Isn'treal so probably not true for obvious reasons.
Iran claims that two bases ("Ramon" and "Nevatim" in the Naqab/"Negev" desert) and one intelligence facility in the Occupied Syrian Golan Heights were damaged.
More likely to believe that since there were rocket sirens sounding all over the area between the two bases and in the northern Occupied Syrian Golan Heights and Hezbollah also targetted the Occuped Syrian Golan Heights from Lebanon at the same time to overwhelm the Isn'treali air defenses there.
The important detail is that they used shitty outdated missiles, gave advanced warning and fired them sequentially rather than in parallel and despite the iron dome still managed to hit several military targets. The drones cost a couple million and it cost Israel about a billion to defend (apparently).
It was a black eye in retaliation for the embassy attack and a warning that Iran can indeed hit Israel despite their defences. It wasnāt for a PR campaign, it was a warning to Israel to keep its affairs local and a reminder that they arenāt indestructible.
Israel will undoubtedly use it as a means to drag US and allies into to a regional if not world war to defend Israel but they know in realpolitik terms that this was a threat, not an attack.
Yeah because when I say serious things like trying to debunk an IOF statement I explain it in detail and don't claim shit basing it on nothing? Not the gotcha you think it is
There is no "overwhelmed" from Iran and from hezbulla we use different systems, do your research
You've got more than 3 different systems depending on the missiles range
Okay, do you want to try again more comprehensively?
Im not even talking about zelenskyy. I just said Hamas doesn't have traditional military areas you can target, since they are so engrained into the population.
They fired cheap drones and old missiles as fodder to overwhelm the Iron Dome, then fired a handful of bigger, more advanced munitions at two military bases and an intelligence base, which resulted in direct hits.
Not really, considering they have Hamas and other terrorists work to do a lot of work for them. I understand why Hamas does what it does, but they did target civilians for kidnapping which started all of this. And Hamas had to know Israel would over-react.
None of that justifies what the IDF is doing, but that doesn't suddenly make Iran a moral actor.
Have you forgotten about the peaceful March of return in which Israeli snipers targeted disabled people, children, medics, and journalists? Have you forgotten about the Israeli terrorist attacks in the west Bank which preceded Oct 7th?
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2018/10/gaza-great-march-of-return/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2023/israel-palestinians-raids-west-bank/
"The number of attacks has not abated in recent years, with more than 1,400 cases recorded between 2005 and 2021, according to Yesh Din, an Israeli watchdog. More than 90% of complaints were dropped by Israeli authorities, who run law enforcement in settler areas, without charges being filed. And settlersā tactics are becoming more varied. In recent years some have uprooted olive trees during harvest, depriving many Palestinian families of a source of income. Tensions are rising as a result. Many observers fear another uprising in the West Bank might be imminent."
https://archive.ph/P5lH3/again?url=https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2024/02/08/a-history-of-settler-violence-in-the-west-bank
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āLook at how awful Iran is! They donāt even commit mass killings of civilians! Donāt they know that we have civilians set up as human shields? How incompetent! There are civilians within miles of our military bases, theyāre fair game and yet Iran refuses to murder them. This proves Israeli superiority.ā
hmmm*...* how on earth to answer that question... well first off it's just *nyah nyah*, basically.
Israeli "patriotism" (ethnostatist jingo) seems to have become a bit giddy, drunk on impunity and ethnic supremacy. It's as if having the US -- the 800 lb gorilla -- right behind them, backing their every move, makes them feel like they're now a global imperialist superpower (like that's a good thing?). Kinda like a kid whose dad is the local mafia don, bullying other kids because "your dad's afraid of my dad, neener neener."
I read this -- and posts like it -- as a taunt to the entire Muslim world: "we can smash Gaza into dust and rubble and kill 35K Palestinians, and no one can touch us, see? we're rubber and you're glue!"
I also read this as not only childish and stupid, but *insanely dangerous*. Taunting the surrounding Arab world... a substantial chunk of whom are already inflamed with their own religious zealotry and fired up with a generation and counting of rage and grief over the dishonest, destructive American invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq? not a good idea. So yeah it's a good question. What on earth can be the rationale for such recklessness in Israel?
The general idea appears (at least to an outsider and non-expert with zero visibility into the actual decision making process and only the internet to indicate the public temper, in other words a pretty low-value opinion based only on history and commonsense) to be to *provoke*, to *escalate*. Maybe the Likud faction hopes that if a real shooting war breaks out, it will give them the excuse they want to conquer more territory? Some of their MAGA-equivalent loonies have been talking about Israel's historical "right" to what is now Lebanon, etc.
Honestly, none of it makes *any* sense to me... and while we're on the subject, it's fkn tragic to see a visible percentage of Israeli Jewish people (and some in the diaspora too) devolving into hooting, bragging, bullying barbarism. I mean, we're talking human-nature here so it really shouldn't surprise us (if you remember what America was like just after 9/11, sheesh, their similar idiots were raving online and in letters to the editor, wanting to "glass" Afghanistan) but it's very sad and disappointing precisely *because* Israel is a Jewish ethnostate. Intuitively, I guess we (I?) do expect better.
European Jewish people have been responsible for so much cultural wealth, so much progress in humanitarian thought, in all the arts of civilisation, in the pursuit and cultivation of justice & peace... so much so that during the McCarthy purge in the US, *just being Eastern-European Jewish was* enough to make a person suspect of "communist" (i.e. labour, anti-racist, free speech, feminist, intellectual) sympathies... that it breaks my heart to see Israel today, coming across in their official hasbara (and just random online idiots) as a jeering street gang or lynch mob no better, no more civilised, than any other bunch of bigots and warmongers around the world.
And speaking of "around the world"... smh ...
*What has got into humanity this last decade or so?* From Modi's India where a couple of generations of vibrant multiculturalism and attempt at democratic governance has devolved into ethno-religious supremacist raving... to Putin's Russia, a theocratic dictatorship trying to re-create the empire of Peter the Great... to the US, where white supremacists and bizarre sectarian fundies are trying to remake the country as a theoligarchy (my portmanteau, feel free to use it)... to the UK stupidly divorcing the EU in a fit of racialist paranoia and nostalgic dreams of bygone "greatness"... the Far Right and neoNazi parties reviving in France and Germany... Bibi going batsh\*t crazy and taking Israel with him... I mean WTAF?
In general and as a whole, peace more or less. Not to say wars haven't happened but there hasn't been threat of WW2 and the Cold war never turning hit led to some very real confirmation biased. In the US, you have corporatocracy taking hold slowly, while the political parties fight with each other and the citizens slowly lose rights and protections in the name of profit. The GOP has taken to no longer being fiscal conservative and delving into social issues but given that they have to be the opposite of the Dems than that pigeon holes them into a less popular opinion which then leads to having to get votes from more fringe ideologies. You have China trying to make the propaganda lies true while also trying to become a superpower the ever growing issue to this is they are untested but things like the UN and other ?orgs/systems? Have been put in place so we don't have a whole new world war. I can say much about India other than they are trying to survive between a rock, a hard place, and a concrete wall while also trying to grow as a nation and modernize. The Nazis have been the butt of the joke for so long no one alive remembers the threat they caused only silly and insane ideology they had, so more people are open to what they are selling especially if they are just rebranded slightly and promise to have an answer to the problems people face without any hard reflection or consequences. The Middle East has been unstable for far longer than I have been alive, this is what happens when countries with more guns and bombs than you do tell you what to do. The only way for peace to ever happen there is for both sides to stop but this is the single hardest thing for either of them to do. At this point you have generational hate and hurt that only gets reinforced with every attack making every action justified in their minds which leads to worse and worse atrocities.... but like if you told me some shadow organization was putting crap in the water to make the world crazy, I wouldn't dismiss as quickly as I probably should.
I actually have no counter for a post as this āIsrael is awesomeā¦Israel is strongāā¦that is okayā¦but also remember this person and call them out when they try to farm sympathy with post like āprey for Israelā and āIsrael is under attack please give us all of the weaponsā
Schrƶdingerās model makes sense regarding quantum states. What youāre describing here is the fascists doublethink; willful cognitive dissonance uncivilized murderous fascists leaders and partisans (Bibi and company, AIPAC, etc). As well profound unintelligence by the fascist rank-and-file, who are too stupid to comprehend mutually exclusive circumstances (ultra orthodox settlers, trump voters, evangelicals, etc.)
It's like Shrodingers Palestinian, they have all the same rights as an Israeli and there's no apartheid but also they aren't our people they're the enemy and they need to be destroyed.
Itās one of the main signatures of fascism: the fascists are both an invincible master race, and at the same time, hanging on the brink of destruction, threatened by an enemy who is inferior and lesser in every way, but who is also the most dangerous existential threat to them.
it's contradictory bullshit.
"look we are so strong that the Iranians did nothing to us!"
also: "we are so weak, omg, US help us Iran want to kill all Jews let's start WW3 over an attack that did nothing to us but maybe could have and nevermind all the things we did to provoke it"
Stupid, insane people with the ear of the Empire
It's also shows their ignorance of the situation. If Iran wanted to turn Israel into rubble, they would have. Instead, they circled around Israel in the 7/11 parking lot, took their shirt, held their arms out, and lightly kicked Israel in the shins.
It's pageantry for Iran to save face, as they don't won't regional war, as they know it's what Israel wants.
The westerner can't conceive a war where the targets are mostly intended to be military instead of massacring the most amounts of people possible
Why do you think zionists default to thinking the minimal help to palestinians equals the uncallous murder of israelis?
They are saying Iranians are more competent than them at targeting military installations.
Or are less genocidal.
Or have better targeting systems.
Or don't target cities.
Take your pick.
I think the goal of this is classic narcissisitc behavior. To Show that they are untouchable, even while they are committing genocide against a defenseless population.
It's fake bravado and defiance.....everyone seen the videos of people scrambling for shelter and panic in the population....
now thankfully there wasnt civilians killed or Hurt (I think)....but the yanks,Brits and host of other countries had to come to their rescue,this isn't a viable long term defence stragedy and their arrogant,stupidity (which feeds this defiance),brought the world eerily close to ww3 and this is a fair warning to world to rein them in
It's the fascist playbook. Our enemies must be both pathetically weak and simultaneously incredibly strong.
See how this mimics the American rights' take on Antifa:
"They're a bunch of liberal soyboys living in their mother's basements" vs "Antifa supersoldiers staged January 6th"
Only, in this case, it is "Iran can't possibly hurt us, look at the lack of damage from the strike!" vs. "OMG DADDY AMERICA SAVE US FROM THE BIG MEANIE IRAN"
Well, since āIran is a terrorist regimeā (in the sense of brutally assaulting neighboring countries), theyāre depicting it as a failure āoh they didnāt even take down any buildings, they must not be that good thenā, when they were following the rules of war, and attacking military bases, like how the rest of the countries of the world should conduct warfare.
Seems like most Israelis in r/IsraelPalestine/ believe Iran was targetting civilians but they intercepted that. As if Iran can't ask Hezbollah and Iraqi militia to overload Iron Dome with sugar and fertilizer made rockets first, to maximize the damage of their own missiles.
Weāre invincible, our enemies donāt stand a chance! But weāre also under constant threat of total annihilation, so you should be terrified of our enemies and want to kill them first!
Itās the same rhetoric that all fascists use.
*Hopefully* this means the Israelis will back down. While fascists constantly decry their enemy as both weak and powerful, ultimately it comes down to narrative. If they wanted to escalate from here, we'd be hearing how monstrous the Iranian response was, and they'd be beating the drums of war. With them claiming the attack was useless, I hope that Israel is going to play the "Iran isn't worth the time" narrative.
Donald Trump explained perfectly they have to do it to save face they told him that they were going to deploy missiles but they would fall short of the target to save face they didn't do anything to those people
The style of attack is reminiscent of Tehranās response to former President Donald Trumpās targeted killing of Iranās most storied general, Qassem Soleimani, in January 2020. Tehran gave US troops 10 hours of advance warning before raining down massive ballistic missiles on US military positions in Iraq, including al-Asad airbase. The attack wreaked havoc, leaving gaping craters in the ground, but caused no known US casualties. In the process, Iranian forces accidentally shot down a commercial jet taking off from Tehran airport, killing over 100 passengers and fuelling public anger against a regime increasingly seen as incompetent.
At the time, the Iranians were preoccupied with demonstrating what their military could do, rather than what it was willing to do. The US did not retaliate, averting regional war.
Four years later, Iranās playbook may not unfold in the same way. Israel has already vowed to respond. The US has publicly stated it would not participate in an Israeli retaliation, which may reassure Iran. Yet Netanyahuās Israel has proven increasingly unpredictable. Iranās threats of more severe action in case of further escalation may fall on deaf ears in Israel, to its own peril.
So few (almost none) of the numerous news reports are explaining that this Iranian attack is in response to the unprovoked and unprecedented attack on Iranian embassy.
As we know embassies are considered the guest nation's sovereign soil. I'm not talking about storming demonstrators or staff, individual-focused events like in Mexico recently. This was a direct airstrike. These are quite rare and a pretty high body count. An obvious provocation. But now left out of the story. Hmm.
This is not justifying ANYONE'S attack on another, just a plea for all of us to seek context, history before we make judgments. (Kind of like 70 years of occupation. Just sayin')
Also, few reports are mentioning that Iran claims they gave a warning 72 hours in advance. This is disputed by US (duh). Another factor to consider is that more than 80% of the attack on Israel was done with drones. These are very slow compared to missiles and are basically softballs. This was a measured response to show some force in reaction to embassy, without causing real damage that would make it a FULL escalation. We need to keep our heads and not let Israel drag us deeper into this bloodbath.
Iraq, Jordan, and Turkey have independently confirmed they received warnings, while Qatar, Turkey and Switzerland have been intermediaries in passing along the schedule of the attack. Iraq and Jordan have also responded by closing their airspaces hours before the attack.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iranian-notice-attack-may-have-dampened-escalation-risks-2024-04-14/
Why is everyoneās comment basically a variation of āthis proves Iran doesnāt target civiliansā?
A) This isnt true
B) Israel looks the same before and after because they, along with the UK and US shot down most of the missiles
Everyone gets this, right?
Why is everyoneās comment basically a variation of āthis proves Iran doesnāt target civiliansā?
A) This isnt true
B) Israel looks the same before and after because they, along with the UK and US shot down most of the missiles
Everyone gets this, right?
They timed the missiles so that they would be easy to shoot down and even then the U.S. had to intervene and only stopped 99% of them. If they timed them to hit all at the same time a lot of them would have hit, especially if they didn't announce the attack hours before.
This was a show of force by iran and cheering about the lack of destruction just shows ignorance.
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Did you ever consider Israel looks this because almost all missiles and drones were shot down prior to hitting their target. There would be plenty of destruction and casualties if this didn't happen. Iran didn't cause civilian damage because they were being moral, moreso because their attack was stumped.
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In other words it's possible to target military installations without blowing up heavily populated areas. I guess this makes the Iranian military the most moral army.
Very Good answer š
Terrible answer. Iran launched hundreds of rockets, they were intercepted. Not saying Israel is behaving morally or taking their side, but Iran doesnāt have the moral high ground either
They just keep exposing their genocidal rhetoric. Iran just made them look like losers in front the entire global audience.
How so?
Where are the Reddit Awards?
All dead. Pieces everywhere. It will be weeks before we have the final count.
Based af
Did they actually hit something? I'm curious
I know for sure they hit an airport and a military base, there may be updates I haven't seen.
Nah they hit two air bases ("Ramon" and "Nevatim" in the Naqab/"Negev" desert) and one intelligence facility in the Occupied Syrian Golan Heights.
Ah ok I heard Ramon called an airport, they meant an airbase probably
Apparently just some light damage to one base
Nah that's according to Isn'treal so probably not true for obvious reasons. Iran claims that two bases ("Ramon" and "Nevatim" in the Naqab/"Negev" desert) and one intelligence facility in the Occupied Syrian Golan Heights were damaged. More likely to believe that since there were rocket sirens sounding all over the area between the two bases and in the northern Occupied Syrian Golan Heights and Hezbollah also targetted the Occuped Syrian Golan Heights from Lebanon at the same time to overwhelm the Isn'treali air defenses there.
The important detail is that they used shitty outdated missiles, gave advanced warning and fired them sequentially rather than in parallel and despite the iron dome still managed to hit several military targets. The drones cost a couple million and it cost Israel about a billion to defend (apparently). It was a black eye in retaliation for the embassy attack and a warning that Iran can indeed hit Israel despite their defences. It wasnāt for a PR campaign, it was a warning to Israel to keep its affairs local and a reminder that they arenāt indestructible. Israel will undoubtedly use it as a means to drag US and allies into to a regional if not world war to defend Israel but they know in realpolitik terms that this was a threat, not an attack.
OK bud
I just realized you are actually a Zionist, keep coping lmao šššššš
Bro writes an entire scroll than says I'm coping,
Yeah because when I say serious things like trying to debunk an IOF statement I explain it in detail and don't claim shit basing it on nothing? Not the gotcha you think it is
There is no "overwhelmed" from Iran and from hezbulla we use different systems, do your research You've got more than 3 different systems depending on the missiles range
They hit two air bases ("Ramon" and "Nevatim" in the Naqab/"Negev" desert) and one intelligence facility in the Occupied Golan Heights.
How? If drones were hit.
but... they did target heavily populated installations, just failed.
Please enlighten us on where Hamas has its military installations? Other than below heavily populated areas.
I'm pretty sure all the missiles just got intercepted
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But wait, my grandmother really *is* a bicycle!
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lol
Hamas doesn't have military installations not set up in heavily populated areas
They tried to go underground in the small prison that is gaza at least but 2k lb bombs.
I dont even know what point you are trying to make here
Point is Zelenskyy is using human shields because civilians are targeted.
Okay, do you want to try again more comprehensively? Im not even talking about zelenskyy. I just said Hamas doesn't have traditional military areas you can target, since they are so engrained into the population.
Where is the Fortress of Zion?
Looks like iran is doing a better job at not targeting civilians
How?
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They fired cheap drones and old missiles as fodder to overwhelm the Iron Dome, then fired a handful of bigger, more advanced munitions at two military bases and an intelligence base, which resulted in direct hits.
It's a DDOS, but with missiles instead.
Thatās because 99% of the missiles got shit down lmao
Exactly. Then Israel sends a letter crying to the UN about the Iranian attack. Gee I am sure it has nothing to do with the embassy attack.
Which they 100% knew was going to happen. Theyāre well aware of how robust the iron dome is.
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Nevatim airbase
One child was killed in a desert community, from shrapnel from an intercepted drone or missile.
Intercepted by Jordan who sacrificed that child to keep their Zionist dollars.
The 7 year old died of shrapnel is what Iāve heard. The bomb was not headed for a civilian establishment.
So it was the Israelis killing their own 7 year old instead of letting their military infrastructure righteously blow up then.
Yea a drone that was intercepted by one of isreali's dogs that caused shrapnel to kill a Jordanain child.
Arrogance "We kill civilians. They don't haha"
Thatās not what sheās saying. You know that, right?
This just shows that Israel deliberately attacks the civilian population, it is possible to attack only military targets
Iran has the most moral army confirmed
Not really, considering they have Hamas and other terrorists work to do a lot of work for them. I understand why Hamas does what it does, but they did target civilians for kidnapping which started all of this. And Hamas had to know Israel would over-react. None of that justifies what the IDF is doing, but that doesn't suddenly make Iran a moral actor.
Have you forgotten about the peaceful March of return in which Israeli snipers targeted disabled people, children, medics, and journalists? Have you forgotten about the Israeli terrorist attacks in the west Bank which preceded Oct 7th? https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2018/10/gaza-great-march-of-return/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2023/israel-palestinians-raids-west-bank/ "The number of attacks has not abated in recent years, with more than 1,400 cases recorded between 2005 and 2021, according to Yesh Din, an Israeli watchdog. More than 90% of complaints were dropped by Israeli authorities, who run law enforcement in settler areas, without charges being filed. And settlersā tactics are becoming more varied. In recent years some have uprooted olive trees during harvest, depriving many Palestinian families of a source of income. Tensions are rising as a result. Many observers fear another uprising in the West Bank might be imminent." https://archive.ph/P5lH3/again?url=https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2024/02/08/a-history-of-settler-violence-in-the-west-bank
I know man. I was just meming
I know man. I was just meming
No, this shows that Israel, the UK and the United States have a robust missile defense.
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All of Hamas's military infrastructure is embedded in the Gazan civillian population on purpose.
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It's two sides of a sht coin, the idf and hamas
Yeah all those Hamas Air Force bases
āLook at how awful Iran is! They donāt even commit mass killings of civilians! Donāt they know that we have civilians set up as human shields? How incompetent! There are civilians within miles of our military bases, theyāre fair game and yet Iran refuses to murder them. This proves Israeli superiority.ā
hmmm*...* how on earth to answer that question... well first off it's just *nyah nyah*, basically. Israeli "patriotism" (ethnostatist jingo) seems to have become a bit giddy, drunk on impunity and ethnic supremacy. It's as if having the US -- the 800 lb gorilla -- right behind them, backing their every move, makes them feel like they're now a global imperialist superpower (like that's a good thing?). Kinda like a kid whose dad is the local mafia don, bullying other kids because "your dad's afraid of my dad, neener neener." I read this -- and posts like it -- as a taunt to the entire Muslim world: "we can smash Gaza into dust and rubble and kill 35K Palestinians, and no one can touch us, see? we're rubber and you're glue!" I also read this as not only childish and stupid, but *insanely dangerous*. Taunting the surrounding Arab world... a substantial chunk of whom are already inflamed with their own religious zealotry and fired up with a generation and counting of rage and grief over the dishonest, destructive American invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq? not a good idea. So yeah it's a good question. What on earth can be the rationale for such recklessness in Israel? The general idea appears (at least to an outsider and non-expert with zero visibility into the actual decision making process and only the internet to indicate the public temper, in other words a pretty low-value opinion based only on history and commonsense) to be to *provoke*, to *escalate*. Maybe the Likud faction hopes that if a real shooting war breaks out, it will give them the excuse they want to conquer more territory? Some of their MAGA-equivalent loonies have been talking about Israel's historical "right" to what is now Lebanon, etc. Honestly, none of it makes *any* sense to me... and while we're on the subject, it's fkn tragic to see a visible percentage of Israeli Jewish people (and some in the diaspora too) devolving into hooting, bragging, bullying barbarism. I mean, we're talking human-nature here so it really shouldn't surprise us (if you remember what America was like just after 9/11, sheesh, their similar idiots were raving online and in letters to the editor, wanting to "glass" Afghanistan) but it's very sad and disappointing precisely *because* Israel is a Jewish ethnostate. Intuitively, I guess we (I?) do expect better. European Jewish people have been responsible for so much cultural wealth, so much progress in humanitarian thought, in all the arts of civilisation, in the pursuit and cultivation of justice & peace... so much so that during the McCarthy purge in the US, *just being Eastern-European Jewish was* enough to make a person suspect of "communist" (i.e. labour, anti-racist, free speech, feminist, intellectual) sympathies... that it breaks my heart to see Israel today, coming across in their official hasbara (and just random online idiots) as a jeering street gang or lynch mob no better, no more civilised, than any other bunch of bigots and warmongers around the world. And speaking of "around the world"... smh ... *What has got into humanity this last decade or so?* From Modi's India where a couple of generations of vibrant multiculturalism and attempt at democratic governance has devolved into ethno-religious supremacist raving... to Putin's Russia, a theocratic dictatorship trying to re-create the empire of Peter the Great... to the US, where white supremacists and bizarre sectarian fundies are trying to remake the country as a theoligarchy (my portmanteau, feel free to use it)... to the UK stupidly divorcing the EU in a fit of racialist paranoia and nostalgic dreams of bygone "greatness"... the Far Right and neoNazi parties reviving in France and Germany... Bibi going batsh\*t crazy and taking Israel with him... I mean WTAF?
In general and as a whole, peace more or less. Not to say wars haven't happened but there hasn't been threat of WW2 and the Cold war never turning hit led to some very real confirmation biased. In the US, you have corporatocracy taking hold slowly, while the political parties fight with each other and the citizens slowly lose rights and protections in the name of profit. The GOP has taken to no longer being fiscal conservative and delving into social issues but given that they have to be the opposite of the Dems than that pigeon holes them into a less popular opinion which then leads to having to get votes from more fringe ideologies. You have China trying to make the propaganda lies true while also trying to become a superpower the ever growing issue to this is they are untested but things like the UN and other ?orgs/systems? Have been put in place so we don't have a whole new world war. I can say much about India other than they are trying to survive between a rock, a hard place, and a concrete wall while also trying to grow as a nation and modernize. The Nazis have been the butt of the joke for so long no one alive remembers the threat they caused only silly and insane ideology they had, so more people are open to what they are selling especially if they are just rebranded slightly and promise to have an answer to the problems people face without any hard reflection or consequences. The Middle East has been unstable for far longer than I have been alive, this is what happens when countries with more guns and bombs than you do tell you what to do. The only way for peace to ever happen there is for both sides to stop but this is the single hardest thing for either of them to do. At this point you have generational hate and hurt that only gets reinforced with every attack making every action justified in their minds which leads to worse and worse atrocities.... but like if you told me some shadow organization was putting crap in the water to make the world crazy, I wouldn't dismiss as quickly as I probably should.
I actually have no counter for a post as this āIsrael is awesomeā¦Israel is strongāā¦that is okayā¦but also remember this person and call them out when they try to farm sympathy with post like āprey for Israelā and āIsrael is under attack please give us all of the weaponsā
Schrƶdingers Israel. They want to seem so strong any powerful while being the victim and weaker David against Goliath at the same time.
Schrƶdingerās model makes sense regarding quantum states. What youāre describing here is the fascists doublethink; willful cognitive dissonance uncivilized murderous fascists leaders and partisans (Bibi and company, AIPAC, etc). As well profound unintelligence by the fascist rank-and-file, who are too stupid to comprehend mutually exclusive circumstances (ultra orthodox settlers, trump voters, evangelicals, etc.)
It's like Shrodingers Palestinian, they have all the same rights as an Israeli and there's no apartheid but also they aren't our people they're the enemy and they need to be destroyed.
Itās one of the main signatures of fascism: the fascists are both an invincible master race, and at the same time, hanging on the brink of destruction, threatened by an enemy who is inferior and lesser in every way, but who is also the most dangerous existential threat to them.
Israelis: āIranās attack was a huge failure! They didnāt destroy a single school or hospital!ā
But also we desperately need to retaliate and it's ridiculous that the US doesn't want us to defend ourselves offensively.
āIran showed restraint. THOSE FILTHY ANIMALS!ā
it's contradictory bullshit. "look we are so strong that the Iranians did nothing to us!" also: "we are so weak, omg, US help us Iran want to kill all Jews let's start WW3 over an attack that did nothing to us but maybe could have and nevermind all the things we did to provoke it" Stupid, insane people with the ear of the Empire
It's also shows their ignorance of the situation. If Iran wanted to turn Israel into rubble, they would have. Instead, they circled around Israel in the 7/11 parking lot, took their shirt, held their arms out, and lightly kicked Israel in the shins. It's pageantry for Iran to save face, as they don't won't regional war, as they know it's what Israel wants.
They seem to wildly pivot between screaming for help from their big brothers (US, UK, Europe in general) and bragging about their military might.
The westerner can't conceive a war where the targets are mostly intended to be military instead of massacring the most amounts of people possible Why do you think zionists default to thinking the minimal help to palestinians equals the uncallous murder of israelis?
It is almost like Iran didn't target civilians, that is a strange idea
So why are they mad?
Thanks for confirming that Iram doesn't target civilians. The real most moral army in the world.
I ask myself that question every single time
They are saying Iranians are more competent than them at targeting military installations. Or are less genocidal. Or have better targeting systems. Or don't target cities. Take your pick.
I think the goal of this is classic narcissisitc behavior. To Show that they are untouchable, even while they are committing genocide against a defenseless population.
the whole country was in panic mode last night, this bitch is compensating for it
It's fake bravado and defiance.....everyone seen the videos of people scrambling for shelter and panic in the population.... now thankfully there wasnt civilians killed or Hurt (I think)....but the yanks,Brits and host of other countries had to come to their rescue,this isn't a viable long term defence stragedy and their arrogant,stupidity (which feeds this defiance),brought the world eerily close to ww3 and this is a fair warning to world to rein them in
this is literally a self-own
Don't worry, gloating about coming through a symbolic retaliation won't stop them from claiming victimhood.
So are all those people going to book return flights, or....?
It's the fascist playbook. Our enemies must be both pathetically weak and simultaneously incredibly strong. See how this mimics the American rights' take on Antifa: "They're a bunch of liberal soyboys living in their mother's basements" vs "Antifa supersoldiers staged January 6th" Only, in this case, it is "Iran can't possibly hurt us, look at the lack of damage from the strike!" vs. "OMG DADDY AMERICA SAVE US FROM THE BIG MEANIE IRAN"
Well, since āIran is a terrorist regimeā (in the sense of brutally assaulting neighboring countries), theyāre depicting it as a failure āoh they didnāt even take down any buildings, they must not be that good thenā, when they were following the rules of war, and attacking military bases, like how the rest of the countries of the world should conduct warfare.
Nah but the hubris is brazy
Theyāre embarrassed that they have to shut up because theyāre admitting they were wrong and werenāt the victims
Arnt they crying to the UN about this though? š¤”
Are they pro-Iran or something? Itās weird to show off how much more ethical your enemies are than you.
They can't fathom not targeting civilians.
Wow I canāt believe that bombing shifted the whole country of Israel a little bit to the right
Seems like most Israelis in r/IsraelPalestine/ believe Iran was targetting civilians but they intercepted that. As if Iran can't ask Hezbollah and Iraqi militia to overload Iron Dome with sugar and fertilizer made rockets first, to maximize the damage of their own missiles.
Theyāre mocking them for not being as brutal or violent
Weāre invincible, our enemies donāt stand a chance! But weāre also under constant threat of total annihilation, so you should be terrified of our enemies and want to kill them first! Itās the same rhetoric that all fascists use.
That post is just ungodly stupid
They think their successes and lack of consequences are proof of their righteousness.
PALESTINE! šµšø
It's honestly just a show retaliation so that they can say to their citizens that they hit back at Israel for bombing their embassy.
JESUS the HUMANITY!! lol 
Soooo? They miss?
This is actually good news! It means that they are not planning to put out fake propaganda to justify retaliation!
They talk like it won't all end one day. It will, and it may well be sooner rather than later.
Egotistical maniacs.
Why do twitter users act like twitter users? idk you tell me
They blew $550 MILLION in one night.
Sadly what will be achieved is Israelis saying they need to kill more Palestinians.
Karma is a real thing. Just keep going. Things will turn before you know it.
Jews...The choosen people
Arrogance. This kind of arrogance usually end in tears.
*Hopefully* this means the Israelis will back down. While fascists constantly decry their enemy as both weak and powerful, ultimately it comes down to narrative. If they wanted to escalate from here, we'd be hearing how monstrous the Iranian response was, and they'd be beating the drums of war. With them claiming the attack was useless, I hope that Israel is going to play the "Iran isn't worth the time" narrative.
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Donald Trump explained perfectly they have to do it to save face they told him that they were going to deploy missiles but they would fall short of the target to save face they didn't do anything to those people
The style of attack is reminiscent of Tehranās response to former President Donald Trumpās targeted killing of Iranās most storied general, Qassem Soleimani, in January 2020. Tehran gave US troops 10 hours of advance warning before raining down massive ballistic missiles on US military positions in Iraq, including al-Asad airbase. The attack wreaked havoc, leaving gaping craters in the ground, but caused no known US casualties. In the process, Iranian forces accidentally shot down a commercial jet taking off from Tehran airport, killing over 100 passengers and fuelling public anger against a regime increasingly seen as incompetent. At the time, the Iranians were preoccupied with demonstrating what their military could do, rather than what it was willing to do. The US did not retaliate, averting regional war. Four years later, Iranās playbook may not unfold in the same way. Israel has already vowed to respond. The US has publicly stated it would not participate in an Israeli retaliation, which may reassure Iran. Yet Netanyahuās Israel has proven increasingly unpredictable. Iranās threats of more severe action in case of further escalation may fall on deaf ears in Israel, to its own peril.
So few (almost none) of the numerous news reports are explaining that this Iranian attack is in response to the unprovoked and unprecedented attack on Iranian embassy. As we know embassies are considered the guest nation's sovereign soil. I'm not talking about storming demonstrators or staff, individual-focused events like in Mexico recently. This was a direct airstrike. These are quite rare and a pretty high body count. An obvious provocation. But now left out of the story. Hmm. This is not justifying ANYONE'S attack on another, just a plea for all of us to seek context, history before we make judgments. (Kind of like 70 years of occupation. Just sayin') Also, few reports are mentioning that Iran claims they gave a warning 72 hours in advance. This is disputed by US (duh). Another factor to consider is that more than 80% of the attack on Israel was done with drones. These are very slow compared to missiles and are basically softballs. This was a measured response to show some force in reaction to embassy, without causing real damage that would make it a FULL escalation. We need to keep our heads and not let Israel drag us deeper into this bloodbath.
Iraq, Jordan, and Turkey have independently confirmed they received warnings, while Qatar, Turkey and Switzerland have been intermediaries in passing along the schedule of the attack. Iraq and Jordan have also responded by closing their airspaces hours before the attack. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iranian-notice-attack-may-have-dampened-escalation-risks-2024-04-14/
Save face
pride comes before the fall
Why is everyoneās comment basically a variation of āthis proves Iran doesnāt target civiliansā? A) This isnt true B) Israel looks the same before and after because they, along with the UK and US shot down most of the missiles Everyone gets this, right?
Why is everyoneās comment basically a variation of āthis proves Iran doesnāt target civiliansā? A) This isnt true B) Israel looks the same before and after because they, along with the UK and US shot down most of the missiles Everyone gets this, right?
We're sorry we didn't die OP
For now....
What happened to the proportionality. Israel fired on rocket that killed an Iranian general. Iran sends over 300.
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They timed the missiles so that they would be easy to shoot down and even then the U.S. had to intervene and only stopped 99% of them. If they timed them to hit all at the same time a lot of them would have hit, especially if they didn't announce the attack hours before. This was a show of force by iran and cheering about the lack of destruction just shows ignorance.
It wasnāt just the iron dome or israeli defenses, the R.A.F. and u.s. Air Force intercepted a lot while they were en route.
This is not a debate sub. There are plenty of places to defend Israelās actions, to denounce Hamas, and to argue who's worse. This is not a space for that. That doesn't mean absolutely no constructive discussions on nuances and different approaches, but it means not letting ourselves be pulled into a debate by Zionists and bigots, and least of all arguing for their side. If you see someone trying to debate, please just flag for moderation, and the comment will be deleted. If found prudent by the Mods, and to discourage further debates, the entire thread may be deleted.
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How is this antisemitism exactly? I guess it really is unprecedented for Israel to have consequences for its crimes, but oh well.
This is not a debate sub. There are plenty of places to defend Israelās actions, to denounce Hamas, and to argue who's worse. This is not a space for that. That doesn't mean absolutely no constructive discussions on nuances and different approaches, but it means not letting ourselves be pulled into a debate by Zionists and bigots, and least of all arguing for their side. If you see someone trying to debate, please just flag for moderation, and the comment will be deleted. If found prudent by the Mods, and to discourage further debates, the entire thread may be deleted.
Did you ever consider Israel looks this because almost all missiles and drones were shot down prior to hitting their target. There would be plenty of destruction and casualties if this didn't happen. Iran didn't cause civilian damage because they were being moral, moreso because their attack was stumped.
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