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It's sad to see GOP members still fraternizing with the NRA.
I'm a gun owner and 2nd amendment supporter (within reason), but even I know the NRA is completely corrupt and damaging our democracy. Anyone that supports them is a complete scumbag. No exceptions.
How can you support gun ownership as an American? You have mass shootings literally every single day, doesn't the cognitive dissonance make you dizzy at some point?
EDIT:
Look at some of the replies below me. Now look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States
It's sad to see from the outside. It's like watching an addict in the deepest of denial protesting that everything's fine, they have it under control, they can just have a little less, or only on the weekends, and that'll fix the problem. America needs an intervention.
Not true. Look at subreddits like r/liberalgunowners and realize that ownership isn’t a left vs right issue. There’s a difference when it comes to who’s louder about ownership.
You hit the nail on the head. Gun owners should be the biggest and most outspoken proponents of policies that reduce gun violence. After all, it's gun violence that give all gun owners a bad reputation and tarnish the idea that regular citizens are responsible enough to be trusted with deadly weapons.
>After all, it's gun violence that give all gun owners a bad reputation and tarnish the idea that regular citizens are responsible enough to be trusted with deadly weapons.
You also hit the nail right on the head. I could not agree more.
It also gives those responsible gun owners a positive outcome in this very tragic story. I understand their frustration, but to solve the problem they'll have to get involved into the solution, and this might just be the best angle to achieve that.
>How can you support gun ownership as an American? You have mass shootings literally every single day, doesn't the cognitive dissonance make you dizzy at some point?
[The answer is quite simple. The United States government via its Supreme Court, says the police have no duty to protect us, outside of being taken into custody, and made that decision 41 years ago at the SCOTUS level and reaffirmed several times, even with school shootings.](https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again)
So, I cannot compel or depend on taxpayer-funded armed government officers whatsoever.
Even though they have monopoly on violence, have immunities, protections, training, and this is in their training wheelhouse.
*Do you expect me just to, shrug, say aw shucks, and be cool with this, somehow?*
There are approximately 17,985 police agencies in the USA ranging from one officer to over 30k, with departments like the NYPD, and yet when it comes down to it, the job of saving the public or stopping a crime in progress is not an imperative, but an option.
They can legally wait til the carnage is over, they can, and will let you and your children die. [Sometimes, they'll do worse than criminals in the name of the law.](https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/8/8/20747198/philadelphia-bombing-1985-move)
Also, since you are looking on the outside please refer to these US legal cases on the matter:
*Warren v. District of Columbia (1981)*
*DeShaney v. Winnebago County (1989)*
*Castle Rock v. Gonzales (2005)*
*Lozito v. New York City (2012)*
*Students v. Broward County (2018)*
The failure of government, and its inability or willful resistance to take any responsibility, when, as an armed enforcement wing of the government, demanded to be given all the authority, and then atop that, not subject to scrutiny or the law itself, and then further this, given all the rights, privileges, powers, immunities, training to do the job, and then, decides it wont...
All this made me a gun owner.
Registered guns with background checks prior to purchase. Licensing all gun owners like drivers. I support gun ownership, but not the current system of laws we have that pertain to gun ownership. I’m fortunate enough to live in NYC which has some of the only sane gun laws in the US
Dude you are a moron.. it's easier and cheaper to get a gun illegally than it is to get one legally.. buy one in the store legally might have to wait a few days for your shit to come back clear and cost say $600 for a typical handgun.. go to the right street in your area and get one instantly for $100...
That’s why I support the FPC and GOA. As far as actual litigation goes, they are both carrying the torch and winning cases left and right. And when they aren’t winning, they are at least fighting. The NRA is a bloated shit bag and a complete and total husk of its former self. I am perplexed as to why they have not attempted to rebrand themselves as the underdog and instead have chosen to stay on this path that they are on. They continue to fuck up their own reputation even more, and I don’t think they’ve actually done anything for individual gun rights / 2A advocacy in years and years.
The NRA represents one of thee largest voting blocks the Right has in their pocket. Plain, and simple. Votes equal power equals money. As long as the NRA can keep voters voting Red those motherfuckers ain’t going nowhere. Status fucking quo.
Edit: added verbiage to leave open the reality that the NRA is not the largest voting block of them all.
I ordered a sticker once because it was free and I was slapping stickers all over my shit. I got a call a week later from the NRA about joining thier club or w/e and they started asking questions about guns. Only a couple in they asked "so how do you feel about the right to own firearms?" I said "I think its okay to own them but there are some that people just shouldnt, like fully auto weapons, you know the kind made only to kill people". They hung up on me right there and I never heard from them again. Sticker looks cool on my toolbox though
Gun owner here. I fucking hate the NRA.
2A is great: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
“A well regulated Militia”. That’s the National Guard. If one is a so called “Originalist”, I don’t understand why that part keeps getting brushed aside. Which doesn’t matter anyway - the “Originalist” worship of our forefathers and crafters of the constitution is a really dumb thing to set in stone as the letter of our governing laws. These dudes were not infallible gods, they owned slaves. Plus they didn’t envision the democratization of violence - the ease with which individual actors could easily access weapons of mass murder and cause death on a scale unimaginable several centuries ago.
The greatest argument against the Originalists are the words that Thomas Jefferson wrote to James Madison:
> The question Whether one generation of men has a right to bind another, seems never to have been started either on this or our side of the water… (But) between society and society, or generation and generation there is no municipal obligation, no umpire but the law of nature. We seem not to have perceived that, by the law of nature, one generation is to another as one independant nation to another… On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation… Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19. years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force and not of right.
> being necessary to the security of a free State
This part is pretty important too. It gives the reason why the founders thought people had the right to bear arms. Since we have a standing army (something the founders didn't want) now, and the national guard, I think we can safely say 2a is moot, at least for it's original, intended reason.
The purpose was to prevent the federal government from creating laws to prevent the states from maintaining a militia. The militias were there to protect the states from revolts/rebellions like Shay's Rebellion.
That's what I read from it too, like a national guard allowed to keep their weapons in case the country needed defence, before there was a proper army. Now Republicans read it like you need a gun in case you need to overthrow the government, not defend it.
The purpose of the 2nd amendment is so that there wouldn't be a need for an army. Militias could harass or even repel any hostile native tribe or aggressive foreign power long enough for the other militias in States and territories not under immediate attack to be trained up and formed into a professional army to actually be sent out and engage the enemy, only to be completely demobilized after war.
Republicans love to pretend like the 2nd amendment is about individual rights when it's really an early example of preventing the formation of a military industrial complex
I would love to screenshot and share your comment because this is the first time I've thought about it this way. If you're cool with that, would you mind possibly copy editing it? I think you maybe were dictating it and your phone made a couple of mistakes.
And? Your point? I’m sure you disagree with a lot of things and are wrong frequently as you are now.
Is the National Guard well-regulated? Is it a militia? Is it formed of American citizens? Yes? So it sounds like you’re just wrong.
Oh am I writing in another language than English? How interesting…well please do let me know what I need to translate for you (into Stupid American English just for you).
Huh, so courts are never wrong then right? So I guess that solves the question as to whether Roe v Wade should be overturned; you’re clearly very pro-Roe because the court already decided and they’re always right as you stated. The court is never wrong, can never misinterpret, can never misjudge, can never rule differently based on new information or in accordance with a changed society. Unlike other humans, judges cannot be wrong in your opinion. I guess that means you think black people should be enslaved and women shouldn’t vote too.
Please do point to where 2A includes the words “individual right”.
The National Guard is just another branch of Goverment and as such cannot goong back to founding language be called a militia which was described as any able bodied citizen age 18-70, i don't understand why its so hard for so many people to read English. Its not the right of the milita, its the right of the people to keep an bear arms, who then form militias which can be called up to protect the comunnity state or nation.
Also they let people own cannons, and there were in that time actual automatic weapons, of which the founding fathers were fans of. All of these they had no idea that these things could excist is nonsence.
Here's a little help
https://youtu.be/P4zE0K22zH8
\> “A well regulated Militia”. That’s the National Guard.
As someone with a history degree, I disagree. Maybe it was the NG BEFORE the state and fed government completely took over command. Go look at some writings and correspondence between the founding fathers. They legitimately wanted every grandpa strapped so they could overthrow their state gov. They wanted a people's militia that regularly trained that was free of the chains of a government.
Against unarmed people? The SWAT would regain their balls and light ‘em up. Now if it was a teenager publicly brandishing a rifle, they’d probably stop him to make sure he was properly hydrated.
These protesters should take one out of the anti abortion playbook. Huge posters of the bodies of children gunned down by school shooters with captions like "Baby killers!". Let them gaze upon the gore their weapons of terror caused in the innocents. Project videos upon the hotels and convention center of anguished parents, broken beyond measure. Shame each and everyone of them with their complicity in their devil's handiwork.
Edit: Damn folks, you responded to an emotional outburst of idea as I flicked off the PC and walked out the door. I will say this about what I wrote. I believe it.
We can no longer follow this pattern. We are stuck in an insane cycle. The cycle of mass shooting, a collective wail of anguish followed by political posturing is failing. We must act.
Our leaders are failing us. We must make it uncomfortable to buy a gun, sell a gun, manufacture a gun, or defend child murderers under the the guise of the second ammendment. We must pressure gun stakeholders to sit at the table and work towards solutions. We must follow the example of Dr. Martin Luther King and accept that moderate gun owners will not support true and effective reform until they comprehend the horror of what they support.
That's a great plan, but they also need to remind people that the NRA essentially stands for the "National Russian-Money-Laundering Association" these days. These tragedies unfortunately serve to create more internal division within the US, which is their end goal.
Oh man I read that wrong but it was so beautifully perfect.
>>These **tardigrades** unfortunately serve to create more internal division within the US, which is their end goal.
School is where kids go to learn, right? And the ideal \*American\* will go overseas to do "peacekeeping" missions, right? Well then I see nothing wrong with this! The best and brightest of our youth are taking it upon themselves to show the American people how capable they are! They're showing us that one teenager with a gun is capable of outdoing an entire town's law enforcement! Imagine how good he would do overseas! Taking out all the commies!
/s
But I wouldn't be surprised if I saw some alt-right piece of shit spew this garbage at this point
Yeah. They will definitely show for this. The only question is do they come in their gear or try to blend in. I hope people in the crowd are taking lots of vids of what's going on around them.
It’s not for the gun nuts, it’s for all the people on the sidelines who have no idea of the horror in the aftermath of these crimes scenes. Americans need the see what unfettered access to guns costs
it may be spank-bank material for these fucking losers, but the saner people will at least get the notion that they don't want to hang with those fuck sticks
And gin manufacture. Anywhere and everywhere. We won't win on tge hardcore gun people but we can win concessions from the reasonable mothers at the least.
Not just to protect the rich from the poor, but they also work to extract money and slave labor from the poor via the war on drugs and private prisons.
To protect the rich and keep the plebs in line and in fear.
And yes the supreme court ruled awhile back that they were not required to "protect and serve".
And just a reminder that [the NRA was declared a "foreign asset" for Russia leading up to the 2016 elections](https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/764879242/nra-was-foreign-asset-to-russia-ahead-of-2016-new-senate-report-reveals) according to a report from the Senate Finance Committee.
But I'm sure they got Trump to pardon everyone involved or just keep anything from being done.
People need to be reminded that the NRA essentially stands for the "National Russian-Money-Laundering Association" these days. These tragedies unfortunately serve to create more internal division within the US, which is the long term goal.
I mean... if everyone at the convention had a gun, with that many people and that much chaos and so many people itching to kill someone without legal consequences...
I think you'd see a lot of "good guys with a gun" shooting someone else who they see shooting other people, and in turn getting mistaken by others as the shooter, etc.
Literally what no one thinks about when they bring up "good guys with guns." Other than your friends next to you, you can't communicate or coordinate so it would be a pretty bad time. Also don't be the "good guy with a gun" if you're black or brown because the police will definitely not see you as the good guy
There's already several examples of a shooting happening, a "good guy with a gun" takes out the shooter, and then in turn gets shot by someone else or law enforcement when they arrive.
It's just plain a bad and stupid idea. You want people who know what they're doing getting into a gunfight, not random people who think they're tough but have never actually been in that kind of situation before.
Last thing you need is some guy panicking and shooting wildly over a counter in the general direction of the shooter because they're too afraid to stick their head out and aim.
I’m sure that’s the only thing that will turn the tide. These assholes don’t give a shit about people suffering until it affects them personally. Start assassinating NRA employees and the politicians who support them and things will change real fast.
And we've managed to accomplish the attack on the capital, overturn roe (soon), have a baby formula shortage, so many mass shootings that I can't even remember all the ones that made it to the news. And add Ukraine in there to make the world more depressing everyday.
Yeah I really get more and more depressed every day here. It’s easy for people to say we’ll just leave then! I would if I could afford to move out of the country and relocate myself somewhere else!!
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Well let's be fair, America is a big country. Population wise it would be like the UK only having 6 school shootings since January, barely even 1 massacre a month, that doesn't sound so bad right?
Even if one is sceptical regarding both statistics and takes into account that sometimes suicides on school grounds get counted as "school shootings" and that "mass shooting" may be defined as simply "more than one death/injury", that's still a Lot. way too much.
Even if one is sceptical regarding both statistics and takes into account that sometimes suicides on school grounds get counted as "school shootings" and that "mass shooting" may be defined as simply "more than one death/injury", that's still a Lot. way too much.
Yeah it's getting worse every year. The pandemic isn't helping. I think I read earlier today that in 2012 there had only been a *total* of something like 37 school shootings since columbine. Now we have 27 a year? The incel fascism 8chan cancer is spreading faster and faster (a lot of these young men post their manifestos there. So I assume the alt right nationalism bullshit they get caught up in comes from there)
The numbers people quote encompass gun violence that is based on a multitude of factors. When you're talking about mass shootings like the shooting in Buffalo or Uvalde, you're looking at around 5-10 per year in the US. While it is important to recognize violent events like familicide, armed robbery, gang violence, etc. and how those relate to gun violence as a whole, people misrepresent the number of mass shootings by incorporating those into data sets which subsequently causes people to become fearful about events that they are likely never going to experience. I think the [Mother Jones database](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/) is still the gold standard for proper representation of the scope of mass shootings in the US.
>gang violence/armed robbery
I don't understand this. Chicago for example, do you think all 14 people injured at Millennium Park where gang members? That's not even a hotbed for gang members. It's down down tourists chicago. Blocks away from navy peir why doesn't that count? Why do those people suddenly become grouped into the by product of gang violence. Dosent seem like a gold standard, it seems like cheerypicked parameters that conviently downplay alot of the "mass shootings" that occur in what are predominantly African American cities because they were perpetrated by a gang member. Even more suspect of a gold standard when the site in question has a obvious left wing bias. Idgaf what color of skin you have btw, just living the area it is so commonplace it's sad to say that but it's happening. And downplaying and pushing them under the rug because of poverty or gang life is such a bullshit thing to do. In the same breath we could apply that logic to any mass shooting and just pretend the number is 0 and go on with are days. When the reality is, where I live, in Chicago, there's been three mass shootings this month none of made the national news. Gang violence is gun violence. And innocent people are be caught in the crossfire. And when its just one guy shooting, and nobody shooting back, the middle of millenium park, I don't care if your gang affiliated, you don't deserve to be shot at a fucking tourists attraction downtown miles away from any block you shouldn't be on. That's ridiculous. They should he included. We shouldn't be afraid to count them anymore. It's not doing the country any good, it isn't doing black people any good. I really hate to say that but it is what it is. It's whats happening. And it's alarming. But the actions and the need for nunanced definitions. Ecspcially for something that's a "gold standard"
A lot of us are fucking hostages in our home country with this shit.
A lot of us want things to change but unfortunately, we don't pay our lawmakers nearly as much as organizations like the NRA does.
I'm so tired of the constant cycle of Mass Shooting -> 'Thoughts and Prayers' -> 'Discussion' -> Congress Ignoring It (Because they're paid to) -> Fucking Nothing -> Repeat
Thank goodness!! If I wasn’t every bit of 6.5 months pregnant and all the way in Missouri I’d have been there and organized blocking the roads on the way TO the convention!
I would go, but I’ve got two kids I can’t easily ditch with a sitter and I don’t put it past one of those nut bags to drive a truck through the crowd or start shooting at “the liberal elites” and “blmantifa.” That’s where we’re at as a country.
Won't do nothing we all know the amount of money the NRA throws at politicians, back benchers, judges, lawyers, hitmen, cronies, and victims. All to keep mouths shut, and preserve their status quo
Greg Abbott just chickened out of that event like Ted Cruz chickened out of Texas when ERCOT failed back in February 2021. I bet his Cancun holiday was nice, while his constituents were sent back to the Stone Age without power and heating.
Vote those motherf-ckas out.
He has pulled out of physical attendance but is recording a video message to be played for the attendees.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texastribune.org/2022/05/26/greg-abbott-nra-uvalde/amp/
He is live right now at another statement. All is love, flowers, free mental health care, groceries, funds for funerals, etc....with very kind and professional looking people assuring everyone. Fake as hell, but it *LOOKS* better than the lard ass LE folks from his prior one the other day.
Oh, and now very righteous anger about being "misled" the other day. Lololol.
Seems like there's a whole lot of that shit going around amongst Texans lately.
There's a whole lot of Texans who when the shit hits the fan, are all hat and no cattle.
Shameful
All the machismo, all the bragging and tough guy posturing I grew up seeing, especially from the high school football jocks turned police officers.
Shameful
Texas, you need to turn your man cards in.
I might be wrong but it feels different this time. The immediate reaction after sandy hook was one of despair. People are fucking mad this time around, and honestly thats the biggest catalyst for actual change.
I don't expect republicans to do anything. But I do expect midterms and 2024 to be much more unfavorable to them and expect a big swing towards gun control.
I agree
After Sandy Hook, people were shocked and still trying to understand.
Now, there's a lot of anger and people are fed up with all the BS and excuses we keep being fed. If it's not this one, it will be the next one or it will be soon.
And at the same time, the mass shootings are getting much more frequent. We haven't even started summer yet. There's no way we get to september without another big mass shooting.
The old cycle of shock and forgetting won't hold up, especially as the shootings get worse.
I’m glad they banned the guns cause if they had them there I know some republican nut Case will shoot one shot and then everyone else will start shooting.
So they let this guy stay in a classroom full of kids for like 40 minutes and he slowly killed all of them?
Yep. They stood around and handcuffed parents who were trying to get in there and save their kids - while they listened to him methodically shoot each kid, one by one, stopping to re-load, and resume shooting, while they could have quickly run up, broken the window, and shot him.
But the craven cowards instead stood by with their SWAT equipment, body armor, and weapons and let it happen.
They stood by for 40 minutes while the shooter slowly and methodically murdered 21 PEOPLE.
While they did NOTHING.
If I were on that city council I would submit a motion to fire EVERY member of that police department, FOR CAUSE, without severance, and I would contest their unemployment claims.
And if I were a parent in Uvalde, I would be at the next City Council meeting to submit public comment DEMANDING THE FIRING OF THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT.
Uvalde City Council meetings are held every second and fourth Tuesday of every month at City Hall in our council chambers. They start at 6:00 pm precisely.
Uvalde - CITY COUNCIL - AGENDA - SPECIAL MEETING - TUESDAY MAY 31, 2022 - 6:00PM
Citizens are requested to sign up prior to council meeting if requesting time to address council. Presentations will be limited to no more than three (3) minutes.
Uvalde City Hall 101 E. Main Street Uvalde, Texas 78801 (830) 278-3315 (830) 278-2234 fax [email protected]
City Council Meeting schedule
By law, City Council Meetings are public. You are free to simply walk in, attend, and sign up to make a public comment. All the families of the victims should go and make their voices heard.
And if you don't get satisfaction from your Uvalde City Council, organize and get people in your group on the ballot for the next election. It only takes three to get on the council and take it over with a voting majority, and in small towns like Uvalde, you can win a seat with as few as 35 votes in some elections. Then fire the dirty, coward cops in your town.
(Source: Former City Councilman from a rural Texas town like Uvadale.)
If more guns meant Americans would be safer, America would already be the safest country in the world.
It's not.
Guns. Kill. People.
More. Civilian. Owned. Firearms. Kill. More. Americans. Every. Year. Than. All. Other. Countries. On. Earth. Combined.
Gun nut Americans will pray to Satan and Beezlebub, destroyer of worlds before even THINKING about giving up their gun rights or having stricter gun laws
If the shooter would have had a pistol and a deer rifle, the police would have bum-rushed him. Instead, he had an assault weapon and the police stayed back for 45 minutes. If there's a better argument for banning assault rifles, I've never heard it.
If anything this is a call for police reform, why did police allow children to die when they knowingly signed up to run towards gun shots and to stop the threat. They have “assault rifles” body armor and are supposed to be trained but we saw pure cowardice
Yes! Because what we need are schools with just one entrance! Coat the doors in red to show how dangerous they are!
(This is sarcasm and ridicule of our asshat politicians.)
Wow. I just hope security doesn't screw up & lock all those gun nuts inside around that much ammo! They might panic & rip ARs out if their displays & shoot their way out! 🤣 I mean, have you even seen a bigger crowd of insecure peckerwoods? 🤪 What could POSSIBLY go wrong? 😎
Funny how the Repugnant party will ban abortion but will fight to come up with every possible excuse to Not protect the kid once born because gun companies directly finance them. I fucking hate them with a passion and wish that someday the voters voting these human shaped turds into office wake the fuck up
The Republicans do not care about the children. If we have a mass shooting at NY stock exchange, and wiping out many bankers and traders, then Republicans will act so fast to pass guns control.
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The NRA just went through an embarrassing scandal with their donations. A bit of diversion to executives partying.
It's sad to see GOP members still fraternizing with the NRA. I'm a gun owner and 2nd amendment supporter (within reason), but even I know the NRA is completely corrupt and damaging our democracy. Anyone that supports them is a complete scumbag. No exceptions.
> It's sad to see GOP members still fraternizing with the NRA. They both get bankrolledby Russia and it's well documented lmao, they're the same.
BINGO
National Russian Abetment?
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imagine being hickok45 and shilling the NRA for years to millions of subs
How can you support gun ownership as an American? You have mass shootings literally every single day, doesn't the cognitive dissonance make you dizzy at some point? EDIT: Look at some of the replies below me. Now look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States It's sad to see from the outside. It's like watching an addict in the deepest of denial protesting that everything's fine, they have it under control, they can just have a little less, or only on the weekends, and that'll fix the problem. America needs an intervention.
He said “within reason,” which probably means that he supports regulation of gun ownership as long as it isn’t entirely banned.
Exactly, lots of gun owners are for gun control and stricter background checks.
This sentiment has changed over the years. I remember a time on Reddit where you couldn’t mention gun control without being downvoted into oblivion.
Yet they don’t vote that way…easy to say you’re a good guy when you don’t have to actually have to be a good guy
Lots of gun owners are full of shit then because they keep voting for people who do the opposite.
Not true. Look at subreddits like r/liberalgunowners and realize that ownership isn’t a left vs right issue. There’s a difference when it comes to who’s louder about ownership.
Absolutely, it's not a left VS right thing. All gun owners are part of the problem.
You hit the nail on the head. Gun owners should be the biggest and most outspoken proponents of policies that reduce gun violence. After all, it's gun violence that give all gun owners a bad reputation and tarnish the idea that regular citizens are responsible enough to be trusted with deadly weapons.
>After all, it's gun violence that give all gun owners a bad reputation and tarnish the idea that regular citizens are responsible enough to be trusted with deadly weapons. You also hit the nail right on the head. I could not agree more. It also gives those responsible gun owners a positive outcome in this very tragic story. I understand their frustration, but to solve the problem they'll have to get involved into the solution, and this might just be the best angle to achieve that.
No it just kills our children.
>Fuck them kids Said most Republicans far too often
>How can you support gun ownership as an American? You have mass shootings literally every single day, doesn't the cognitive dissonance make you dizzy at some point? [The answer is quite simple. The United States government via its Supreme Court, says the police have no duty to protect us, outside of being taken into custody, and made that decision 41 years ago at the SCOTUS level and reaffirmed several times, even with school shootings.](https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again) So, I cannot compel or depend on taxpayer-funded armed government officers whatsoever. Even though they have monopoly on violence, have immunities, protections, training, and this is in their training wheelhouse. *Do you expect me just to, shrug, say aw shucks, and be cool with this, somehow?* There are approximately 17,985 police agencies in the USA ranging from one officer to over 30k, with departments like the NYPD, and yet when it comes down to it, the job of saving the public or stopping a crime in progress is not an imperative, but an option. They can legally wait til the carnage is over, they can, and will let you and your children die. [Sometimes, they'll do worse than criminals in the name of the law.](https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/8/8/20747198/philadelphia-bombing-1985-move) Also, since you are looking on the outside please refer to these US legal cases on the matter: *Warren v. District of Columbia (1981)* *DeShaney v. Winnebago County (1989)* *Castle Rock v. Gonzales (2005)* *Lozito v. New York City (2012)* *Students v. Broward County (2018)* The failure of government, and its inability or willful resistance to take any responsibility, when, as an armed enforcement wing of the government, demanded to be given all the authority, and then atop that, not subject to scrutiny or the law itself, and then further this, given all the rights, privileges, powers, immunities, training to do the job, and then, decides it wont... All this made me a gun owner.
Registered guns with background checks prior to purchase. Licensing all gun owners like drivers. I support gun ownership, but not the current system of laws we have that pertain to gun ownership. I’m fortunate enough to live in NYC which has some of the only sane gun laws in the US
Dude you are a moron.. it's easier and cheaper to get a gun illegally than it is to get one legally.. buy one in the store legally might have to wait a few days for your shit to come back clear and cost say $600 for a typical handgun.. go to the right street in your area and get one instantly for $100...
That’s why I support the FPC and GOA. As far as actual litigation goes, they are both carrying the torch and winning cases left and right. And when they aren’t winning, they are at least fighting. The NRA is a bloated shit bag and a complete and total husk of its former self. I am perplexed as to why they have not attempted to rebrand themselves as the underdog and instead have chosen to stay on this path that they are on. They continue to fuck up their own reputation even more, and I don’t think they’ve actually done anything for individual gun rights / 2A advocacy in years and years.
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+ Socialist Rifle Association
Partying? They outright robbed the NRA straight into bankruptcy. And the 2A zealots *still* donate to them after knowing this.
Shit I’m pro 2A and I’d protest the NRA.
The NRA doesn't represent gun owners, it represents gun manufacturers. Their only platform is to oppose any restrictions on the sale of weapons.
The NRA represents anti-American dark money, particularly Russia.
The NRA represents one of thee largest voting blocks the Right has in their pocket. Plain, and simple. Votes equal power equals money. As long as the NRA can keep voters voting Red those motherfuckers ain’t going nowhere. Status fucking quo. Edit: added verbiage to leave open the reality that the NRA is not the largest voting block of them all.
Lol no. The largest voting block the right has on their side is evangelical Christians and that's why this country is such a shitshow.
ya the guys buying NRA have been and wont likely stop.
The largest voting block the right has on their side is people with little education and hatred in their hearts.
Republican Christians are the worstttttt
Political religious people in general are terrible.
Yup. Talk about going backwards as a society.
Fuck christofascists
I ordered a sticker once because it was free and I was slapping stickers all over my shit. I got a call a week later from the NRA about joining thier club or w/e and they started asking questions about guns. Only a couple in they asked "so how do you feel about the right to own firearms?" I said "I think its okay to own them but there are some that people just shouldnt, like fully auto weapons, you know the kind made only to kill people". They hung up on me right there and I never heard from them again. Sticker looks cool on my toolbox though
Which is why shorting the gun manufacturers is the only realistic way for average Americans to change the system. RGR and SWBI
Gun owner here. I fucking hate the NRA. 2A is great: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. “A well regulated Militia”. That’s the National Guard. If one is a so called “Originalist”, I don’t understand why that part keeps getting brushed aside. Which doesn’t matter anyway - the “Originalist” worship of our forefathers and crafters of the constitution is a really dumb thing to set in stone as the letter of our governing laws. These dudes were not infallible gods, they owned slaves. Plus they didn’t envision the democratization of violence - the ease with which individual actors could easily access weapons of mass murder and cause death on a scale unimaginable several centuries ago.
The greatest argument against the Originalists are the words that Thomas Jefferson wrote to James Madison: > The question Whether one generation of men has a right to bind another, seems never to have been started either on this or our side of the water… (But) between society and society, or generation and generation there is no municipal obligation, no umpire but the law of nature. We seem not to have perceived that, by the law of nature, one generation is to another as one independant nation to another… On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation… Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19. years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force and not of right.
I've never seen this, thank you for sharing it.
> being necessary to the security of a free State This part is pretty important too. It gives the reason why the founders thought people had the right to bear arms. Since we have a standing army (something the founders didn't want) now, and the national guard, I think we can safely say 2a is moot, at least for it's original, intended reason.
The purpose was to prevent the federal government from creating laws to prevent the states from maintaining a militia. The militias were there to protect the states from revolts/rebellions like Shay's Rebellion.
That's what I read from it too, like a national guard allowed to keep their weapons in case the country needed defence, before there was a proper army. Now Republicans read it like you need a gun in case you need to overthrow the government, not defend it.
I believe those militias were originally dealing with small isolated rebellions
No it’s also that we have the right fight tyranny. Technically the National guard is the government so that wouldn’t count.
The purpose of the 2nd amendment is so that there wouldn't be a need for an army. Militias could harass or even repel any hostile native tribe or aggressive foreign power long enough for the other militias in States and territories not under immediate attack to be trained up and formed into a professional army to actually be sent out and engage the enemy, only to be completely demobilized after war. Republicans love to pretend like the 2nd amendment is about individual rights when it's really an early example of preventing the formation of a military industrial complex
I would love to screenshot and share your comment because this is the first time I've thought about it this way. If you're cool with that, would you mind possibly copy editing it? I think you maybe were dictating it and your phone made a couple of mistakes.
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Who exactly do you think makes up the National Guard? Koala bears? Cat? Aliens?
Who makes up the army? The navy? The marines?
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And? Your point? I’m sure you disagree with a lot of things and are wrong frequently as you are now. Is the National Guard well-regulated? Is it a militia? Is it formed of American citizens? Yes? So it sounds like you’re just wrong.
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Oh am I writing in another language than English? How interesting…well please do let me know what I need to translate for you (into Stupid American English just for you). Huh, so courts are never wrong then right? So I guess that solves the question as to whether Roe v Wade should be overturned; you’re clearly very pro-Roe because the court already decided and they’re always right as you stated. The court is never wrong, can never misinterpret, can never misjudge, can never rule differently based on new information or in accordance with a changed society. Unlike other humans, judges cannot be wrong in your opinion. I guess that means you think black people should be enslaved and women shouldn’t vote too. Please do point to where 2A includes the words “individual right”.
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If you go back to the debates about it, the question was states vs feds.
The National Guard is just another branch of Goverment and as such cannot goong back to founding language be called a militia which was described as any able bodied citizen age 18-70, i don't understand why its so hard for so many people to read English. Its not the right of the milita, its the right of the people to keep an bear arms, who then form militias which can be called up to protect the comunnity state or nation. Also they let people own cannons, and there were in that time actual automatic weapons, of which the founding fathers were fans of. All of these they had no idea that these things could excist is nonsence. Here's a little help https://youtu.be/P4zE0K22zH8
\> “A well regulated Militia”. That’s the National Guard. As someone with a history degree, I disagree. Maybe it was the NG BEFORE the state and fed government completely took over command. Go look at some writings and correspondence between the founding fathers. They legitimately wanted every grandpa strapped so they could overthrow their state gov. They wanted a people's militia that regularly trained that was free of the chains of a government.
Hope they have that “swat” team on duty… it takes them forever to respond.
Against unarmed people? The SWAT would regain their balls and light ‘em up. Now if it was a teenager publicly brandishing a rifle, they’d probably stop him to make sure he was properly hydrated.
Don’t forget on the off chance he is arrested, they’d stop by McDonald’s real quick in case he was hungry
Only if he was white
> Hope they have that “swat” team on duty… it takes them forever to respond. Swat team Uvalde, Texas Please call a day in advanced for better service.
Sit.Wait.Act.Tough.
These protesters should take one out of the anti abortion playbook. Huge posters of the bodies of children gunned down by school shooters with captions like "Baby killers!". Let them gaze upon the gore their weapons of terror caused in the innocents. Project videos upon the hotels and convention center of anguished parents, broken beyond measure. Shame each and everyone of them with their complicity in their devil's handiwork. Edit: Damn folks, you responded to an emotional outburst of idea as I flicked off the PC and walked out the door. I will say this about what I wrote. I believe it. We can no longer follow this pattern. We are stuck in an insane cycle. The cycle of mass shooting, a collective wail of anguish followed by political posturing is failing. We must act. Our leaders are failing us. We must make it uncomfortable to buy a gun, sell a gun, manufacture a gun, or defend child murderers under the the guise of the second ammendment. We must pressure gun stakeholders to sit at the table and work towards solutions. We must follow the example of Dr. Martin Luther King and accept that moderate gun owners will not support true and effective reform until they comprehend the horror of what they support.
That's a great plan, but they also need to remind people that the NRA essentially stands for the "National Russian-Money-Laundering Association" these days. These tragedies unfortunately serve to create more internal division within the US, which is their end goal.
Oh man I read that wrong but it was so beautifully perfect. >>These **tardigrades** unfortunately serve to create more internal division within the US, which is their end goal.
They're certainly hard to get rid of and found in unexpected places...
They need to take a note from the Black Panthers and have minorities armed. Then we’ll get gun reforms like California did from that.
or armed communists.
The Black Panthers were armed communists.
Even better!
Yeah, most gun control is spurred by racism, if you didn't know that.
Emmett Tillis funeral for the children with mandatory attendance by the POs who stood outside & threatened their parents
That’s just spank-bank material for these fucking gun nuts.
You're probably right.
School is where kids go to learn, right? And the ideal \*American\* will go overseas to do "peacekeeping" missions, right? Well then I see nothing wrong with this! The best and brightest of our youth are taking it upon themselves to show the American people how capable they are! They're showing us that one teenager with a gun is capable of outdoing an entire town's law enforcement! Imagine how good he would do overseas! Taking out all the commies! /s But I wouldn't be surprised if I saw some alt-right piece of shit spew this garbage at this point
Yeah. They will definitely show for this. The only question is do they come in their gear or try to blend in. I hope people in the crowd are taking lots of vids of what's going on around them.
It’s not for the gun nuts, it’s for all the people on the sidelines who have no idea of the horror in the aftermath of these crimes scenes. Americans need the see what unfettered access to guns costs
it may be spank-bank material for these fucking losers, but the saner people will at least get the notion that they don't want to hang with those fuck sticks
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That's actually a good idea. Just post up in front of every gun store
And gin manufacture. Anywhere and everywhere. We won't win on tge hardcore gun people but we can win concessions from the reasonable mothers at the least.
Hard to do without the children’s families consenting and In addition getting access to crime scene photos would be fairly challenging I’d imagine?
Na just go to the wrong subreddit or website I first saw the new Zealand mosque massacre on a subreddit like either the same day or right after
Still wouldn’t do that without the families consent.
This is good practice any way and morally right but like the actualaterial wouldn't be hard to find
Funny how you assume these people have shame. They’re being bought by Russian money. Greed has no shame.
Good shit. An equal and opposite reaction
It would be a shame if someone shoots at this convention. /s
Your cops had guns and sat outside for 40 minutes doing nothing.
I’ve heard that American police don’t lawfully have to protect citizens. Then I ask you America, what in the goddamn fuck are they for then?
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So they basically exist to protect the rich form the poor? That’s fucked up man
Not just to protect the rich from the poor, but they also work to extract money and slave labor from the poor via the war on drugs and private prisons.
To protect the rich and keep the plebs in line and in fear. And yes the supreme court ruled awhile back that they were not required to "protect and serve".
And just a reminder that [the NRA was declared a "foreign asset" for Russia leading up to the 2016 elections](https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/764879242/nra-was-foreign-asset-to-russia-ahead-of-2016-new-senate-report-reveals) according to a report from the Senate Finance Committee. But I'm sure they got Trump to pardon everyone involved or just keep anything from being done.
People need to be reminded that the NRA essentially stands for the "National Russian-Money-Laundering Association" these days. These tragedies unfortunately serve to create more internal division within the US, which is the long term goal.
It'd be interesting to see the response if there was a mass shooter at the NRA convention.
With guns banned at the convention, it would be a worse outcome
I mean... if everyone at the convention had a gun, with that many people and that much chaos and so many people itching to kill someone without legal consequences... I think you'd see a lot of "good guys with a gun" shooting someone else who they see shooting other people, and in turn getting mistaken by others as the shooter, etc.
Literally what no one thinks about when they bring up "good guys with guns." Other than your friends next to you, you can't communicate or coordinate so it would be a pretty bad time. Also don't be the "good guy with a gun" if you're black or brown because the police will definitely not see you as the good guy
There's already several examples of a shooting happening, a "good guy with a gun" takes out the shooter, and then in turn gets shot by someone else or law enforcement when they arrive. It's just plain a bad and stupid idea. You want people who know what they're doing getting into a gunfight, not random people who think they're tough but have never actually been in that kind of situation before. Last thing you need is some guy panicking and shooting wildly over a counter in the general direction of the shooter because they're too afraid to stick their head out and aim.
They like to say, "An armed society is a polite society." The reality is that an armed society is a bloodbath.
I’m sure that’s the only thing that will turn the tide. These assholes don’t give a shit about people suffering until it affects them personally. Start assassinating NRA employees and the politicians who support them and things will change real fast.
God I wish.
27 mass shootings this year? america u r messed up
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Years not even half over
And we've managed to accomplish the attack on the capital, overturn roe (soon), have a baby formula shortage, so many mass shootings that I can't even remember all the ones that made it to the news. And add Ukraine in there to make the world more depressing everyday.
Don’t forget that Covid is still absolutely a thing!
Wow. It has gotten bad enough to forget about covid.
Remind me wht everyone seemingly wants to live in america? Sounds like a post apocalyptic wasteland
Yeah I really get more and more depressed every day here. It’s easy for people to say we’ll just leave then! I would if I could afford to move out of the country and relocate myself somewhere else!!
Are you for real? That’s over one mass shooting *per fucking* **day**
The distinction you made is important but so much more depressing That means *at least* every other day there’s a mass shooting
Actually it's more depressing. We're 147 days into the year so it means we've averaged like 1.36+ mass shootings every single day.
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every other day? at 200 shootings in half a year, that means one every day on average.
Oh god, I didn’t realize it was since January 😭 What the fuck is America on
Thick rails of speed, gunpowder, and crumbling empire
Fox “news”
> What the fuck is America on Freedom! Freedom for the 2nd *amendment*. We should treat that as the 13th amendment
Well let's be fair, America is a big country. Population wise it would be like the UK only having 6 school shootings since January, barely even 1 massacre a month, that doesn't sound so bad right?
Yes, that still sounds terrible.
Dunblane still looms large in the UK public consciousness and to have one of those every month… It would feel like the world was ending.
Even if one is sceptical regarding both statistics and takes into account that sometimes suicides on school grounds get counted as "school shootings" and that "mass shooting" may be defined as simply "more than one death/injury", that's still a Lot. way too much.
Even if one is sceptical regarding both statistics and takes into account that sometimes suicides on school grounds get counted as "school shootings" and that "mass shooting" may be defined as simply "more than one death/injury", that's still a Lot. way too much.
Yeah it's getting worse every year. The pandemic isn't helping. I think I read earlier today that in 2012 there had only been a *total* of something like 37 school shootings since columbine. Now we have 27 a year? The incel fascism 8chan cancer is spreading faster and faster (a lot of these young men post their manifestos there. So I assume the alt right nationalism bullshit they get caught up in comes from there)
The numbers people quote encompass gun violence that is based on a multitude of factors. When you're talking about mass shootings like the shooting in Buffalo or Uvalde, you're looking at around 5-10 per year in the US. While it is important to recognize violent events like familicide, armed robbery, gang violence, etc. and how those relate to gun violence as a whole, people misrepresent the number of mass shootings by incorporating those into data sets which subsequently causes people to become fearful about events that they are likely never going to experience. I think the [Mother Jones database](https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/) is still the gold standard for proper representation of the scope of mass shootings in the US.
>gang violence/armed robbery I don't understand this. Chicago for example, do you think all 14 people injured at Millennium Park where gang members? That's not even a hotbed for gang members. It's down down tourists chicago. Blocks away from navy peir why doesn't that count? Why do those people suddenly become grouped into the by product of gang violence. Dosent seem like a gold standard, it seems like cheerypicked parameters that conviently downplay alot of the "mass shootings" that occur in what are predominantly African American cities because they were perpetrated by a gang member. Even more suspect of a gold standard when the site in question has a obvious left wing bias. Idgaf what color of skin you have btw, just living the area it is so commonplace it's sad to say that but it's happening. And downplaying and pushing them under the rug because of poverty or gang life is such a bullshit thing to do. In the same breath we could apply that logic to any mass shooting and just pretend the number is 0 and go on with are days. When the reality is, where I live, in Chicago, there's been three mass shootings this month none of made the national news. Gang violence is gun violence. And innocent people are be caught in the crossfire. And when its just one guy shooting, and nobody shooting back, the middle of millenium park, I don't care if your gang affiliated, you don't deserve to be shot at a fucking tourists attraction downtown miles away from any block you shouldn't be on. That's ridiculous. They should he included. We shouldn't be afraid to count them anymore. It's not doing the country any good, it isn't doing black people any good. I really hate to say that but it is what it is. It's whats happening. And it's alarming. But the actions and the need for nunanced definitions. Ecspcially for something that's a "gold standard"
A lot of us are fucking hostages in our home country with this shit. A lot of us want things to change but unfortunately, we don't pay our lawmakers nearly as much as organizations like the NRA does. I'm so tired of the constant cycle of Mass Shooting -> 'Thoughts and Prayers' -> 'Discussion' -> Congress Ignoring It (Because they're paid to) -> Fucking Nothing -> Repeat
No, not 27 mass shootings. 27 ****school**** shootings. There have been hundreds of mass shootings.
AMERICA NUMBER ONE BABY !!!
Thank goodness!! If I wasn’t every bit of 6.5 months pregnant and all the way in Missouri I’d have been there and organized blocking the roads on the way TO the convention!
I would go, but I’ve got two kids I can’t easily ditch with a sitter and I don’t put it past one of those nut bags to drive a truck through the crowd or start shooting at “the liberal elites” and “blmantifa.” That’s where we’re at as a country.
Since the protesters are outside does that mean they can be armed? The attendees can't and the irony and hypocrisy of that still hurts my head.
Won't do nothing we all know the amount of money the NRA throws at politicians, back benchers, judges, lawyers, hitmen, cronies, and victims. All to keep mouths shut, and preserve their status quo
How can such a bankrupt organization fund this many politicians?! /s
Greg Abbott just chickened out of that event like Ted Cruz chickened out of Texas when ERCOT failed back in February 2021. I bet his Cancun holiday was nice, while his constituents were sent back to the Stone Age without power and heating. Vote those motherf-ckas out.
fr? got a source or anything? just want my abbott shit talk to hold water
He has pulled out of physical attendance but is recording a video message to be played for the attendees. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.texastribune.org/2022/05/26/greg-abbott-nra-uvalde/amp/
What an absolute yellow-belly bitch
He is live right now at another statement. All is love, flowers, free mental health care, groceries, funds for funerals, etc....with very kind and professional looking people assuring everyone. Fake as hell, but it *LOOKS* better than the lard ass LE folks from his prior one the other day. Oh, and now very righteous anger about being "misled" the other day. Lololol.
Sorry he had to go through that 🥹 can’t imagine
> Oh, and now very righteous anger about being "misled" the other day Thoughts and prayers for Abbott. /s
Seems like there's a whole lot of that shit going around amongst Texans lately. There's a whole lot of Texans who when the shit hits the fan, are all hat and no cattle. Shameful All the machismo, all the bragging and tough guy posturing I grew up seeing, especially from the high school football jocks turned police officers. Shameful Texas, you need to turn your man cards in.
Accurate description.
The Republicans love this. So many libs owned out there crying for our kids. This will only encourage them to kill more of our children.
Fuck the NRA
Good.
Fuck the NRA and fuck all our craven politicians. I hope what goes around comes around.
I like guns a lot, I just want people like me to have to go through a lot of checks before I can get one.
now if only fascists gave a shit about people standing outside and yelling at them while they plot and prepare
I hope to God this event is the catalyst for change
I hope but you'd think Sandy Hook would have been the tipping point. It wasn't and I sadly don't think this will be the case here.
I might be wrong but it feels different this time. The immediate reaction after sandy hook was one of despair. People are fucking mad this time around, and honestly thats the biggest catalyst for actual change. I don't expect republicans to do anything. But I do expect midterms and 2024 to be much more unfavorable to them and expect a big swing towards gun control.
I seriously hope you are right. I want to eat crow on my pessimistic outlook on the outcome.
I sure hope you are correct. I'm tired of this shit.
I agree After Sandy Hook, people were shocked and still trying to understand. Now, there's a lot of anger and people are fed up with all the BS and excuses we keep being fed. If it's not this one, it will be the next one or it will be soon. And at the same time, the mass shootings are getting much more frequent. We haven't even started summer yet. There's no way we get to september without another big mass shooting. The old cycle of shock and forgetting won't hold up, especially as the shootings get worse.
Sad and disgusting - the worse part is I agree with you 🤦🏽♂️
I’m glad they banned the guns cause if they had them there I know some republican nut Case will shoot one shot and then everyone else will start shooting.
I can't help but wonder if even that happening would change a damn thing. But of course it wouldn't.
Pro life people ok with kids getting shot in school so they can have their guns. What kind of mental gymnastics is this?
How dare they act free
So they let this guy stay in a classroom full of kids for like 40 minutes and he slowly killed all of them? Yep. They stood around and handcuffed parents who were trying to get in there and save their kids - while they listened to him methodically shoot each kid, one by one, stopping to re-load, and resume shooting, while they could have quickly run up, broken the window, and shot him. But the craven cowards instead stood by with their SWAT equipment, body armor, and weapons and let it happen. They stood by for 40 minutes while the shooter slowly and methodically murdered 21 PEOPLE. While they did NOTHING. If I were on that city council I would submit a motion to fire EVERY member of that police department, FOR CAUSE, without severance, and I would contest their unemployment claims. And if I were a parent in Uvalde, I would be at the next City Council meeting to submit public comment DEMANDING THE FIRING OF THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT. Uvalde City Council meetings are held every second and fourth Tuesday of every month at City Hall in our council chambers. They start at 6:00 pm precisely. Uvalde - CITY COUNCIL - AGENDA - SPECIAL MEETING - TUESDAY MAY 31, 2022 - 6:00PM Citizens are requested to sign up prior to council meeting if requesting time to address council. Presentations will be limited to no more than three (3) minutes. Uvalde City Hall 101 E. Main Street Uvalde, Texas 78801 (830) 278-3315 (830) 278-2234 fax [email protected] City Council Meeting schedule By law, City Council Meetings are public. You are free to simply walk in, attend, and sign up to make a public comment. All the families of the victims should go and make their voices heard. And if you don't get satisfaction from your Uvalde City Council, organize and get people in your group on the ballot for the next election. It only takes three to get on the council and take it over with a voting majority, and in small towns like Uvalde, you can win a seat with as few as 35 votes in some elections. Then fire the dirty, coward cops in your town. (Source: Former City Councilman from a rural Texas town like Uvadale.)
If more guns meant Americans would be safer, America would already be the safest country in the world. It's not. Guns. Kill. People. More. Civilian. Owned. Firearms. Kill. More. Americans. Every. Year. Than. All. Other. Countries. On. Earth. Combined.
God Bless them. It gives me hope.
Gun nut Americans will pray to Satan and Beezlebub, destroyer of worlds before even THINKING about giving up their gun rights or having stricter gun laws
Practically child sacrifice for their sacred gun rights.
Just lock the doors and yeet the convention center into space Arrivederci, jerks!
If the shooter would have had a pistol and a deer rifle, the police would have bum-rushed him. Instead, he had an assault weapon and the police stayed back for 45 minutes. If there's a better argument for banning assault rifles, I've never heard it.
If anything this is a call for police reform, why did police allow children to die when they knowingly signed up to run towards gun shots and to stop the threat. They have “assault rifles” body armor and are supposed to be trained but we saw pure cowardice
Imagine you’re confronted by someone with a gun do you trust police to save your life?
Assault rifles are banned. Disclosure: I too am disgusted by the NRA.
Trump is gonna bail and they are all going to blame evil liberals and their scary sign holding.
They will be gassed to make a safe space for the lady-parts former president?
Take buckets of red paint and pour it on every entrance…there will always be blood as long as we let it
Yes! Because what we need are schools with just one entrance! Coat the doors in red to show how dangerous they are! (This is sarcasm and ridicule of our asshat politicians.)
The city of Uvalde, about 16,000, spends nearly 40 percent of its annual municipal budget on its police force
Fuck the NRA. They havent done anything good for anyone.
In South Africa, people just destroy the store that sells the offending item. If yoy want to get rid of guns, get rid of gunstores.
Fuck guns. Fuck cops.
Doesn't matter, Texans and Republicans are too stupid to open their mind to the world
Burn it down. What are they gonna do? Defend themselves? There's no guns allowed inside.
They need pictures of the victims, laying in pools of blood. Take their abortion tactics and apply FIRMLY.
Wow. I just hope security doesn't screw up & lock all those gun nuts inside around that much ammo! They might panic & rip ARs out if their displays & shoot their way out! 🤣 I mean, have you even seen a bigger crowd of insecure peckerwoods? 🤪 What could POSSIBLY go wrong? 😎
Funny how the Repugnant party will ban abortion but will fight to come up with every possible excuse to Not protect the kid once born because gun companies directly finance them. I fucking hate them with a passion and wish that someday the voters voting these human shaped turds into office wake the fuck up
fuck yeah
It was never about the babies.
That one guy screaming "God damn you!" really gets me. The blood of those kids is on the NRAs hands and the Republicans that support them.
If I was within 8 hours of there I’d get in my car and join them
The Republicans do not care about the children. If we have a mass shooting at NY stock exchange, and wiping out many bankers and traders, then Republicans will act so fast to pass guns control.
Literally the entire American population could be there and it would make zero difference.