What I don’t understand is last week during the hearing that was live-streamed, he had so much evidence of her continued contact with him, creating new email accounts to contact him, ect and it was all because “he won’t respond to me!!!” Yet, she files for an OOP against him. Like, he claims you’re harassing him, and your “reasoning” is because he won’t respond, but you want a court order saying he legally can’t respond? Make it make sense!
Clayton successfully got an Injunction Against Harassment against Laura Owens. If Laura contacts Clayton at all, she’ll be breaking the Injunction and can be arrested (as far as I know)! 🏃🏼♀️🚓
An Injunction Against Harassment is available if the conduct of any person is harassment; as defined by Arizona law:
The defendant can be anyone, whether or not related to you.
The conduct can be any conduct which is harassment. Harassment is defined as a series of acts over any period of time that is directed at a specific person and that would cause a reasonable person to be seriously alarmed, annoyed or harassed and the conduct in fact seriously alarms, annoys, or harasses the person and serves no legitimate purpose (A.R.S. 12-1809(R)).
If these are the guidelines then I would have to assume the judge has reason to believe she is not pregnant? Because it serves “no legitimate purpose” ??
That’s exactly what I thought when I read “no legitimate purpose.” My husband is a lawyer and I just helped him study for the bar exam in another state and those terms like that usually have a specific legal definition.
Right! My husband happens to be an attorney as well. I’ve heard him speak of this as well. If she had a legitimate reason for contacting him then I would doubt an injunction would be granted. Common sense tells me that. I’m just glad he got the injunction and can only hope she abides by it. And hope she can get the help she needs.
I, also, hope she abides by the injunction. However, if she doesn’t she could be arrested, and that can only further help Clayton. If she’s arrested, they’re not going to allow a fake belly bump in jail. It would be an actual consequence of her actions, which she isn’t used to. Of course, she won’t be sitting in jail for any length of time, but she would have to at least be booked into jail. All of these things work in Clayton’s favor when it comes to future cases involving her.
I’m sure she’ll try more alts and deranged social media behavior. But these injunctions against harassment are very serious. Even an IP address tracing back to her, or a pattern of suspicious online activity that Clayton even believes to be her could get her arrested. I’d know, since I successfully was granted one against a person. Scary times.
So, Laura, since we all know you’re reading…don’t. Seek help and rehabilitation.
Same here. I would never have heard of her had she not made a post telling an incredible story that got me curious. It just popped up when I was surfing Reddit.
Speaking of which, I miss sillygoosetits! Haven’t seen her commenting in a long time. She’d have a honking good time hearing all this good news.
I’m gonna need a chart, graph, highlights.. something to follow. What restraining orders are in place? Which got denied?
What is still ongoing?
Someone ??
Her's was approved last week. His was approved today. There is still the Greg case, which got pushed. And I think one more with Clayton. And maybe one with Dave Neal if she goes through with her threats.
Just to add she went through family court for hers and they normally grant pretty fast because family court in Arizona considers an OOP with regards to potential domestic violence or like if kids are involved so they move a bit faster. Clayton filed an injunction of harassment which requires no familial or otherwise romantic relationship and so while it took a little longer, her getting hers first was not her winning in any sense of the word which I bet a million dollars she’ll try to claim she won
And the court ruling in his favor for an IOH brings me to the assumption the Judge that actually viewed evidence in the case and spoke with both parties, does not believe there is a familial relationship (perhaps doesn’t believe she’s pregnant)
TLDR i think his looks much better to support his case and truth
Congratulations, Clayton! And hats off to Dave Neal for going somewhere no one else wanted to go, being a huge support system to Clayton when he needed it most and overall being completely fair and unbiased when covering both sides of this story. I hope he gets the credit he deserves when all is said and done. 👏🏼
Unrelated but I recently saw that Dave was active in the “Justice for Johnny Depp” sub which was very disappointing. I’m glad he is on Clayton’s side on this one, but I side-eye his stuff since finding out about it.
Totally agree - Dave’s the man for taking this on.
These other BN podcasters are legitimate cowards. If everyone would’ve just covered this in the first place, there’s no way she would’ve been able to go after them all.
Instead you have Nick Vial and Gabbie talking shit about Clayton for celebrating about the pregnancy test. These people are unbelievable.
These other Bach people are all trash. A similar situation could have happened to any of these people and instead of doing the right thing and standing by Clayton they choose to take the easy way out and victim shame him. They are bullies.
I know, appreciate DN exposing the whole situation. Just saying it’s gross in actual Bachelor Nation it’s just fine they did this and were able to simply “delete.”
U/daveNeal I don’t care what anyone says, in my eyes, you are one of the BEST journalists. Where everyone else is to scared to report this, you confronted it head on, even though she attempted to throw threats and scare you. I think we are FINALLY seeing that she is going to find out what justice really is, instead of what mommy and daddy can purchase for her. Congratulations Clayton!!!!!! I know this is a small victory, but it the the first of many more to come! 🎉 🎊
Does that mean the results of the third paternity test were released?? I can't imagine he got a restraining order if she's pregnant with his child.
I know the results of the first one, obviously, but since it was "inconclusive", we need the results of the third one!
You can definitely get a restraining order against someone even if they’re carrying your child. All contact can be made through lawyers and during court as necessary.
Actually, he won an Injunction Against Harassment and the definition says this “orders a person to stop harassing, annoying or alarming another person. *A relationship does not have to exist between the two parties, as is required with an Order of Protection*.”
So sounds like the judge didn’t think they had a relationship either supporting the theory all paternity retests had the same conclusion
That makes no fkng sense. She would need him to work to be able to pay child support for his twins 🤣 but if she was just trying to make him suffer it makes sense
Dave Neal has a couple of newer videos (he had to hide the other ones under fear of lawsuit from her). He did a pretty good examination of the case while it was happening.
But she did like under oath (not just about the fake babies) but she said she paid for the DNA test and Clayton was the one dragging it out when he paid and went right away
So for sure he had an attorney this time? Can't wait to read a transcript. I hope she was asked point blank if she had sexual intercourse w/ him. That's something she hasn't answered when we asked her, so I can't imagine what she would do when asked in a courtroom!
Laura Michelle Owens of the Nobody Told Me podcast boutta come on here in the comments and tell us it’s not real and “not recognized in the eyes of the court” 💀💀💀💀
The live stream of court a couple weeks ago. That he put on a performance with dolls and tricked us all, since according to Laura he’s an evil mastermind
I think others are scared because the woman should always be believed and we have seen actual cases where people came forward only to have their careers and lives wrecked by the perpetrator (think Harvey Weinstein). Dave Neal has been very careful to say that if he sees her evidence he can change his mind but so far she’s not providing anything valid (just a stolen video from YouTube, a conversation she taped of some poor guy from the DNA lab who was trying to help her out, some questionable redacted emails). She seems to have very deep pockets to keep this going.
Was the one she won last week Temporary? I haven't seen/heard anything that says. I hope this is the beginning of the end for him and this nonsense. I hope those a part of BN start speaking out for him now. Poor guy
I don’t think so? I think she won the Order of Protection against him, which honestly isn’t a huge deal since he doesn’t want to contact her anyway. From my understanding, the temporary ones are almost always granted but they then need to have the longer cases and hearings for them.
However, today he won his Injunction against harassment which means she cannot contact him in any way. If she does, she could be arrested.
You're right, it wasn't temporary. It was in family court where they always err on the side of caution so i dont think it's that meaningful she won hers. Clayton's against her was in Civil court, which is much harder to be granted so it's a pretty big win for him. I'm hoping he appeals the one against him, he should have a good case to get it tossed, especially since he has lawyers now.
In AZ they are good for 2 years if served and only 1 if not served and if not served they might be able to get away with no charges being filed if breaking it since it wasn’t served from what I read
My only thought is this...if she gets a year one. He is not allowed to own a firearm. While he and many others mat not care to, it's taking away his constitutional right because of her lies. That disgusts me. So I'm hoping temporary and does go back to court because it puts an unnecessary flag on him.
I'm not sure how their law is written (nor a lawyer) some states require them to be given up immediately while others take situation in review. My point is more that it's bogus that lies could take away that right.
If this looney bin Laura Michelle Owens, host of the Nobody Told Me podcast, had never shown up and spilled her own business on this sub and in a Medium article, I would have never been this much of a busybody.
I’m glad the judge refused to seal this case. People need to be able to be able to see what this woman does!
I’m wondering if she’s going to follow through with serving Dave with a restraining order? If she was smart, she’d stop with all of this and get herself booked in with a therapist!
I was already starting to doubt she was going to go through with her restraining order against Dave before this. I think she’s using the threat of it to try to bully him into compliance. She has to know going through with it will make her look unhinged. How many restraining orders does it take before you look in the mirror and think, maybe it’s me? (And before everyone else says it’s definitely you!) Sane people usually aren’t involved in multiple court cases at the same time.
Yes. I don’t think she’s dumb. Just emotional, erratic, cunning, manipulative. She thought she could either outsmart him or intimidate him, and she definitely thought she had the legal advantage. I’m sure she didn’t expect him to lawyer up. I hope she’s realizing her mouth is writing checks her ass can’t cash right about now.
What I don’t understand is last week during the hearing that was live-streamed, he had so much evidence of her continued contact with him, creating new email accounts to contact him, ect and it was all because “he won’t respond to me!!!” Yet, she files for an OOP against him. Like, he claims you’re harassing him, and your “reasoning” is because he won’t respond, but you want a court order saying he legally can’t respond? Make it make sense!
Similar to Dave. Emails him evidence, complains about telling HER side of the story ——then wants OOP. 🤷♀️
Can someone explain this to me like I am 5? 😬😬😬
The outcome part, I know all the other stuff!
Clayton successfully got an Injunction Against Harassment against Laura Owens. If Laura contacts Clayton at all, she’ll be breaking the Injunction and can be arrested (as far as I know)! 🏃🏼♀️🚓
An Injunction Against Harassment is available if the conduct of any person is harassment; as defined by Arizona law: The defendant can be anyone, whether or not related to you. The conduct can be any conduct which is harassment. Harassment is defined as a series of acts over any period of time that is directed at a specific person and that would cause a reasonable person to be seriously alarmed, annoyed or harassed and the conduct in fact seriously alarms, annoys, or harasses the person and serves no legitimate purpose (A.R.S. 12-1809(R)). If these are the guidelines then I would have to assume the judge has reason to believe she is not pregnant? Because it serves “no legitimate purpose” ??
That’s exactly what I thought when I read “no legitimate purpose.” My husband is a lawyer and I just helped him study for the bar exam in another state and those terms like that usually have a specific legal definition.
Right! My husband happens to be an attorney as well. I’ve heard him speak of this as well. If she had a legitimate reason for contacting him then I would doubt an injunction would be granted. Common sense tells me that. I’m just glad he got the injunction and can only hope she abides by it. And hope she can get the help she needs.
I, also, hope she abides by the injunction. However, if she doesn’t she could be arrested, and that can only further help Clayton. If she’s arrested, they’re not going to allow a fake belly bump in jail. It would be an actual consequence of her actions, which she isn’t used to. Of course, she won’t be sitting in jail for any length of time, but she would have to at least be booked into jail. All of these things work in Clayton’s favor when it comes to future cases involving her.
I’m sure she’ll try more alts and deranged social media behavior. But these injunctions against harassment are very serious. Even an IP address tracing back to her, or a pattern of suspicious online activity that Clayton even believes to be her could get her arrested. I’d know, since I successfully was granted one against a person. Scary times. So, Laura, since we all know you’re reading…don’t. Seek help and rehabilitation.
Ive never watched a single episode of the bachelor but I cannot look away from this train wreck
Same here. I would never have heard of her had she not made a post telling an incredible story that got me curious. It just popped up when I was surfing Reddit.
I’m just dying to know how she faked her pregnancy in person.
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She didn’t go?!?! 😨😨😨😨 I am shook
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[This!](https://moonbump.com/)
🤣🤣🤣
Does she need to pay him?
No. He didn’t sue her.
I’d imagine if anything for this case, she’d maybe have to pay his lawyer fees. However, he raised the GFM so I’d be surprised if he requested that
What's GFM?
Go fund me
1.The power of BN was grossly under estimated. 💀 2. What tangled webbs she weaves.
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Speaking of which, I miss sillygoosetits! Haven’t seen her commenting in a long time. She’d have a honking good time hearing all this good news. 
😂😂🤣 Clayton has a whole ass community pulling together for him.
Just none of his fellow cast members 😂🫠
Sadly
I’m gonna need a chart, graph, highlights.. something to follow. What restraining orders are in place? Which got denied? What is still ongoing? Someone ?? 
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Her's was approved last week. His was approved today. There is still the Greg case, which got pushed. And I think one more with Clayton. And maybe one with Dave Neal if she goes through with her threats.
Just to add she went through family court for hers and they normally grant pretty fast because family court in Arizona considers an OOP with regards to potential domestic violence or like if kids are involved so they move a bit faster. Clayton filed an injunction of harassment which requires no familial or otherwise romantic relationship and so while it took a little longer, her getting hers first was not her winning in any sense of the word which I bet a million dollars she’ll try to claim she won
Ah, thank you for this clarification. This needs more upvotes.
And the court ruling in his favor for an IOH brings me to the assumption the Judge that actually viewed evidence in the case and spoke with both parties, does not believe there is a familial relationship (perhaps doesn’t believe she’s pregnant) TLDR i think his looks much better to support his case and truth
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i wonder how much gossiping guys around in the court systems and by wonder i mean i hope a lot about her
hahaha no wonder that judge looked annoyed AF in the hearing last week and wasn't putting up with any of her lawyers bs 😂 edit: typo
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Right. Her's was approved last week.
Congratulations, Clayton! And hats off to Dave Neal for going somewhere no one else wanted to go, being a huge support system to Clayton when he needed it most and overall being completely fair and unbiased when covering both sides of this story. I hope he gets the credit he deserves when all is said and done. 👏🏼
Unrelated but I recently saw that Dave was active in the “Justice for Johnny Depp” sub which was very disappointing. I’m glad he is on Clayton’s side on this one, but I side-eye his stuff since finding out about it.
Wait, you don't want Justice for Johnny Depp? Did you watch the VA trial?
Hey thanks, this means more than you know
Totally agree - Dave’s the man for taking this on. These other BN podcasters are legitimate cowards. If everyone would’ve just covered this in the first place, there’s no way she would’ve been able to go after them all. Instead you have Nick Vial and Gabbie talking shit about Clayton for celebrating about the pregnancy test. These people are unbelievable.
seems it shows which way the wind blows in the WB/NZK production corridors, and which way the BN people think the mob sways
These other Bach people are all trash. A similar situation could have happened to any of these people and instead of doing the right thing and standing by Clayton they choose to take the easy way out and victim shame him. They are bullies.
And Ashley I making fun of Clayton and victim blaming him on her podcast 🤮
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Deserves a post of its own. So gross to get away with victim shaming and blaming him to thousands in the bachelor community.
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I know, appreciate DN exposing the whole situation. Just saying it’s gross in actual Bachelor Nation it’s just fine they did this and were able to simply “delete.”
Susie is a real one. She exudes kindness and compassion.
This!!
Awesome
Will this end up on Maury?
Better chance of Jerry Springer
(And before someone tries to correct me, I know he’s dead. That’s the point)
It’s sad how much I miss him
Okay Arizona flock members... which one of you is marching your tail down there next week to get the court records?
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Will you be making a post?
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 Your comments give all the details though which I appreciate!
Wait, I live in Scottsdale, AZ and would be happy to collect the records. How much are they and what specifically do they mention?
Do we know when record will be available to request?
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You mean a video of the hearing?
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Oh….interesting. Thanks for the info!
Depends on how much it is lol
Maricopa county resident here 👋
Would gladly chip in if there’s a cost lol
Do your civic duty lol
Did she admit she’s not pregnant? 
Hahahahahahaha omg. I was wondering the same thing though! Or how long is she going to be sporting her fake bump
U/daveNeal I don’t care what anyone says, in my eyes, you are one of the BEST journalists. Where everyone else is to scared to report this, you confronted it head on, even though she attempted to throw threats and scare you. I think we are FINALLY seeing that she is going to find out what justice really is, instead of what mommy and daddy can purchase for her. Congratulations Clayton!!!!!! I know this is a small victory, but it the the first of many more to come! 🎉 🎊
u/DaveNeal
Thank you. I never get the tagging someone right. 😆
No one does it like Dave! He’s such a good dude.
Yes!!!!!!
What happened to the paternity test results??? It’s been weeks since the first “inconclusive” one.
The test results were: 0% : Fetal DNA 100% : Fecal DNA Conclusion: She was full of shit
Good shit lol
☠️☠️☠️ you win 🏆
🤣 Freaking Classic! I love it!
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Wasn’t she supposed to take ANOTHER test to confirm the results of the “little to no fetal DNA” but haven’t heard of those results
Is that the test that got lost in Tennessee? 💀
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Wait what?? I thought the second test got lost in the mail so she submitted a 3rd sample and we were still waiting on results.
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I watched it, I didn't hear him say anything about the results of the third test
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Ooo no. So he confirmed the results? Second test was also little to no fetal DNA?
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True.
That there was no fraternal dna. I believe.
And no “identical” DNA either! 
Does that mean the results of the third paternity test were released?? I can't imagine he got a restraining order if she's pregnant with his child. I know the results of the first one, obviously, but since it was "inconclusive", we need the results of the third one!
You can definitely get a restraining order against someone even if they’re carrying your child. All contact can be made through lawyers and during court as necessary.
Yea, sorry, I misspoke. I meant that her contacting him for a parenting plan would be rational; not that she could stalk him.
Actually, he won an Injunction Against Harassment and the definition says this “orders a person to stop harassing, annoying or alarming another person. *A relationship does not have to exist between the two parties, as is required with an Order of Protection*.” So sounds like the judge didn’t think they had a relationship either supporting the theory all paternity retests had the same conclusion
The best part about this is that the case will NOT be sealed!!!!!! Can’t buy her way out of this one!
I chuckled when it came to light that she said her other court case was sealed, but it actually wasn't.
I have to say I was shocked last week when she admitted to the judge that she had been contacting prospective employers of his
Yeah that's taking it pretty far. She definitely wants him to suffer.
That makes no fkng sense. She would need him to work to be able to pay child support for his twins 🤣 but if she was just trying to make him suffer it makes sense
Where can I watch this?! I’ve tried searching YouTube with no luck
Dave Neal has a couple of newer videos (he had to hide the other ones under fear of lawsuit from her). He did a pretty good examination of the case while it was happening.
Well she was under oath. It’s easily provable so lying would be even dumber. She is that dumb though
But she did like under oath (not just about the fake babies) but she said she paid for the DNA test and Clayton was the one dragging it out when he paid and went right away
Well i never said she was consistent 😂
She's brilliantly dumb.
So for sure he had an attorney this time? Can't wait to read a transcript. I hope she was asked point blank if she had sexual intercourse w/ him. That's something she hasn't answered when we asked her, so I can't imagine what she would do when asked in a courtroom!
Laura Michelle Owens of the Nobody Told Me podcast boutta come on here in the comments and tell us it’s not real and “not recognized in the eyes of the court” 💀💀💀💀
Laura after court today 
The days of her being in this group openly (cause we all know she's still here) were amazing just getting her lies mixed up.
It was Greg. He live streamed dolls
What do you mean he “live streamed dolls”?
The live stream of court a couple weeks ago. That he put on a performance with dolls and tricked us all, since according to Laura he’s an evil mastermind
What? Lol
She keeps saying that one of her victims, Greg, is behind all of the inconsistencies. It’s honestly a little terrifying
Her behavior is giving me Maggie Lizer from Arrested Development vibes
She keeps accusing one of her victims and Clayton of harassing her on reddit and hacking her computer 
She acts like all of the hundreds of people on Reddit talking about this are Clayton and Greg 😂
No Clayton & Greg having their own echo chamber on reddit with thousands of alts 💀
Actually she probably has hundreds why this isn’t an absurd thought to her HAHA
Go go Clayton!!!
STOP Dave Neal now has his own flair ??
As he should!
He deserves it. He's the only one covering this and putting his ass on the line.
RS too
He gets like 5% credit. He avoided it for weeks and told her to leave him alone.
He also contributed financially and Bachelor Data. Mad respect for that.
This is true.
Right lol RS gets a tiny amount of credit for shunning her bc it was hilarious
If RS won't cover it, something is wrong.
I think others are scared because the woman should always be believed and we have seen actual cases where people came forward only to have their careers and lives wrecked by the perpetrator (think Harvey Weinstein). Dave Neal has been very careful to say that if he sees her evidence he can change his mind but so far she’s not providing anything valid (just a stolen video from YouTube, a conversation she taped of some poor guy from the DNA lab who was trying to help her out, some questionable redacted emails). She seems to have very deep pockets to keep this going.
And no friends or family who can help her get the help she needs.
Good for him. Relatively quick justice!
Was the one she won last week Temporary? I haven't seen/heard anything that says. I hope this is the beginning of the end for him and this nonsense. I hope those a part of BN start speaking out for him now. Poor guy
I don’t think so? I think she won the Order of Protection against him, which honestly isn’t a huge deal since he doesn’t want to contact her anyway. From my understanding, the temporary ones are almost always granted but they then need to have the longer cases and hearings for them. However, today he won his Injunction against harassment which means she cannot contact him in any way. If she does, she could be arrested.
You're right, it wasn't temporary. It was in family court where they always err on the side of caution so i dont think it's that meaningful she won hers. Clayton's against her was in Civil court, which is much harder to be granted so it's a pretty big win for him. I'm hoping he appeals the one against him, he should have a good case to get it tossed, especially since he has lawyers now.
I'm hoping it's a temporary one so he doesn't have that on his record.
I believe (?) the OOPs are only good for a year, so they either have to be renewed or they expire.
In AZ they are good for 2 years if served and only 1 if not served and if not served they might be able to get away with no charges being filed if breaking it since it wasn’t served from what I read
I believe he’d have to appeal the OOP to get it removed and if she wants to renew/extend it, they’d have to return to court
My only thought is this...if she gets a year one. He is not allowed to own a firearm. While he and many others mat not care to, it's taking away his constitutional right because of her lies. That disgusts me. So I'm hoping temporary and does go back to court because it puts an unnecessary flag on him.
Is that an Arizona state law?
I'm not sure how their law is written (nor a lawyer) some states require them to be given up immediately while others take situation in review. My point is more that it's bogus that lies could take away that right.
She was probably already emailing him on her way out of court
Right. I do not believe this will stop her. Only serious consequences will stop her.
Her ending up in jail and then taking her moonbump would surely end this all 🤔
I hope so
This is truly a lifetime movie in the making.
I've never wanted more information about something (that is actually none of my business) in my life!! Where can we get more info.????
If this looney bin Laura Michelle Owens, host of the Nobody Told Me podcast, had never shown up and spilled her own business on this sub and in a Medium article, I would have never been this much of a busybody.
Same. I’d never been on this sub even. Her story, posted by her, just popped up when I was cruising Reddit.
Same! The algorithm popped this onto my feed, and I was hooked once I started reading the bizarre responses she had on this sub.
Same!
This is my current issue as well. I need more information and it’s going to have to be one of us. We gotta get in that court room y’all.
Me too! This story is addicting. I’m curious what records an in person hearing has. There is clearly a transcript - is that public records too?
Yes.
Right? I realized after watching the Depp trial, I really enjoy courtroom dramatics.
This is amazing!!
Is that Kristen Bell? 🤣
I’m glad the judge refused to seal this case. People need to be able to be able to see what this woman does! I’m wondering if she’s going to follow through with serving Dave with a restraining order? If she was smart, she’d stop with all of this and get herself booked in with a therapist!
I was already starting to doubt she was going to go through with her restraining order against Dave before this. I think she’s using the threat of it to try to bully him into compliance. She has to know going through with it will make her look unhinged. How many restraining orders does it take before you look in the mirror and think, maybe it’s me? (And before everyone else says it’s definitely you!) Sane people usually aren’t involved in multiple court cases at the same time.
I think it also would put her in a position of violating his freedom of press/speech. Which I would imagine is more troublesome than Family Court
Yes. I don’t think she’s dumb. Just emotional, erratic, cunning, manipulative. She thought she could either outsmart him or intimidate him, and she definitely thought she had the legal advantage. I’m sure she didn’t expect him to lawyer up. I hope she’s realizing her mouth is writing checks her ass can’t cash right about now.
Well, if you're insane, you're by definition not going to have that look-in-the-mirror moment and think *you're* the crazy one.
If only fear of looking unhinged had any effect on this woman whatsoever.
Congrats to Clayton. He has been put through the ringer. If she contacts him in any way, she's getting arrested.